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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Sunday afternoon means James mcconey.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Hello mate, Hello, Piney. How are you.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I'm good. I'm good. We've had some very invigorating All
Blacks discussion in the last hour and three quarters. I've
enjoyed it. What did you make of this morning? What
do you make of twenty twenty five? What a wide
ranging question that is?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Well this morning, I'm happy to answer it, Piney. This
morning All Blacks versus Wales test matches are almost scripted,
aren't they? The same thing happens every time. It's like
a rom com where you know that they'll end up together,
you know, like a Kate Hudson movie. Yep, And you
know that the All Blacks are gonna sort of basically
(00:53):
push out in the fourth quarter and to a comfortable win.
But up until then there's a little bit of intrigue.
You think that Kate might not end up with Matthew McConaughey,
but in the end she does. I mean, it's just
the way it is, and so I think it was
just part of the course really to beat Wales like that.
But happy to see Ruben Love and a few others
out there play really well and wanted to Teetie suddenly
(01:16):
just hitting his straps running at full pace, which is
nice to see.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, and look, he had a terrific season last year,
as we know, and it was good to see him
recapture some of that form. What chance do you think
that a rookie wins All Blacks Player of the Year
for a second year in a row. Fabian Holland has
been awarded World Rugby's Breakthrough Player of the Year. Could
he be the All Blacks Player of the Year for
twenty five?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Well, I think so. I mean, I think I don't
know if you remember that my contributions to your show, Pony,
but you know, because there's so many right. But a
few weeks ago, I was talking about the stats at
that incredible Test where he won fifteen or fifteen lineouts
thrown to him and there's only one other lineout won
by the All Blacks and Patrick tupel Or who took
(02:04):
that one. So I've never seen a stat like that
in my time covering rugby and so but the fact
that it's a rookie doing that, and I think it
was a Bitterzo Test or possibly the South Africa Tests
at Eden Park where he did that, and that is
just incredible to think that he's playing that kind of
hand as a first year All Black. So yep, he's
(02:25):
He'd be my pick for All Black of the year.
I mean, you know, cam Reguard has obviously shown that
he's world class and he's World fifteen material, but Holland
has been an absolute find. But I do notice that
on your show that a lot of people were definitely
pretty critical of Raisers, So it feels like the sort
of season where people aren't necessarily that and amid with
(02:49):
the way the All Blacks have been playing.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
No, I think you're right, and I think that's probably
fair given you know, I think the gut feel for
most people and a bicking for yours, is that they
don't feel overly optimistic about twenty twenty seven. I do
know it seems odd, but we do go from World
Cup to World Cup. How do you feel about whether
the All Blacks are in the midpoint of the World
(03:13):
Cup cycle.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I feel confident in the talent that's been developed, and
I think as a development job, I think RAS has
done that really well. So you know, I'm probably an
advocate for the way he has brought plans and although
I am a I'm a big Ruben Love fan and
I feel like having him just carrying the tackle backs
for most of the tour was a wasted opportunity, you know.
(03:38):
So and next year he's getting Richie M Warner back,
So we may never find out how good Ruben Love
it can be as a first five at test level.
But that's fine. I mean, I think that he's had
a lot on his plate in terms of getting new
all blacks up to scratch. The big problem is one
that a lot of your listeners has identified for me.
As well as the strategy, the attack strategy, the will's
(04:01):
come off a lot. You saw against England last week,
you know, ugging the blind that's crowded, basically becoming you know,
turnover fodder when you don't have enough people in support,
enough cleaners they're called. So I think in terms of changes,
I think there should be someone to come in. We
(04:24):
can't get Tony Brown obviously, and you did mention that
he's contracted through the twenty twenty seven for South Africa,
which is a huge bummer. But I think we need
to find the next best thing to Tony Brown to
run our attack.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
All right, some questions to be answered and some discussions
to be had. Can we move to the Ashes? I
was looking forward to day three of the Ashes when
I finished the show today. I was going to settle
in and double screen bit of Auckland f C a
bit of Ashes. But there aren't any more Ashes deliveries
to be had in Perth all over in two days.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I know. I can't believe that. I'm not going to
I don't want to compare this to another movie, but
it was over before it started, Pony. And the weird
thing is that I like bas Ball because it's you know,
it's frantic and high risk and it feels dangerous, you know,
and it's just it says Brendan McCullum all over it.
Really But when does dads, when does bas Ball become
(05:21):
m Acazi cricket? That's the question, you know, And I
think the answer is after lunch yesterday, That's when. Because
England were in a really good spot. They were in
a really good spot yesterday they had Pope and there
it was the partnership together. Sorry, I'm just looking at
(05:43):
notes Pope and duck It and they were in a
good spot and they should have flipped the script there
with men and gone anti bas and just dug in,
and I think they would have come away with at
least a tough ask for Australia, if not a victory.
And instead it was Baars all the way and you
live by the bars, you die by the bears.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
You're right though, they were sixty five for one when
Duckett and Pope were together, and as you say, they
weren't Baars balling it necessarily, but they were starting to
build what could have been a fairly handy lead. But
from sixty five for one to all out one sixty four,
what's that nine for ninety nine, you've lost.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, it was an absolute disaster. And that's why at
lunch time it just would have been a perfect time
to say, okay, let's dig in now. Because the thing
about Australian bowlers is they never go away. And oh
there's a couple of times when you do notice that
they I mean, I remember when Ross Taylor sort of
pounded them into submission a few years ago when he
got two ninety over there in Perth. But they could
(06:46):
still see hope, there's still grass on the pitch, probably
too much grass. I interviewed the great Jeff Thompson the
other day and he was saying there's so much grass
on these Test wickets that even he at seventy five
could take some wickets, and of course I laughed, haha.
And then I watched the Test and what, Actually, maybe
you're right, Jeff, because it was treacherous out there. But yeah,
(07:08):
this is the whole thing. Those Aussie bowlers knew there
was still hope and they still had the you know,
the bit between their teeth, and they came back and
just absolutely plowed through England. So I think that's one
that got away, and maybe that they need to mix
up that strategy from bads to anti bans just every
now and then. I agree.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Now, one of the proudest sporting regions in New Zealand
is Marlborough and you had the opportunity to m see
their sports awards over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Oh poney, what a night to be down there. I
probably will never get invited back, but was great to
be in Blenham and a fantastic crowd there. I loved it,
you know, like this is one of those things where
I know that you're seeing the Nelson Awards next week
and I'm sure you'll you'll hit it out of the park.
But look, there's some incredible athletes that have come through
(08:00):
there and you kind of forget Lance Kins. You know,
there's Joe Sullivan of course, a gold medalist rower of his,
Anton Oliver and others you know who've just been luminaries
of the Mulborough sporting scene.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Leon McDonald was a mulber boy.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I think, yes, Leo McDonald, David Hill, there's lots of
them that have come through there. But the Supreme Award
winner last night was Tomurthy Taveta Nahweyo, so he turned
up for Fiji and Marlborough. And the great thing about
it is like, look, there were other really cool athletes
as well. I should mention before get into Timurthy and
(08:39):
the victory acceptance speech. It's just that there was a
two young cyclists we should look out for, brother and sister,
Finn and Neve McKenzie watched this space, both under nineteen
or nineteen years old and both doing incredible things on
the world stage. And then Meig Flanagan, a roller who's
very talented and under twenty three crews currently at university
(09:01):
of Tennessee with his sister Emma, an equally talented rower,
so look out for them. But Mothy couldn't be there.
He's getting in his knee operation done. And a guy
called Bill Matthews, Uncle Bill they call him, who looked
after Tomaty as soon as he arrived, and Marlborough made
the speech. And there's something to be said for having
real salt of the earth people getting up on stage
(09:23):
and telling inappropriate stories. It actually works, Piney because everyone
else is saying the normal lip service stuff, positive things
and blah blah blah. But honestly, Bill brought the house
down and I'm not going to tell the inappropriate stories
today on zeb But he did tell one story about
how he wasn't that keen on fitness in the early
(09:43):
days to Morthy and he said the equivalent of his
idea of fitness was just to lie on the bed
and then he'd tell him to get up out of bed,
and he'd just open one eye like a tuatara, he said,
And that was that was the most exercise he said
in the early days. But he turned it around and
then became a champion.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Wonderful stuff. I'll get you to send me all your
notes with including your jokes that I can use a
Nelson in a week's time. Jim Boy's good to chat
mate James mccaroney part of our Sunday.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk set B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Sunday afternoon means James mcconey.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Hello mate, Hello, Piney. How are you.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I'm good. I'm good. We've had some very invigorating All
Blacks discussion in the last hour and three quarters. I've
enjoyed it. What did you make of this morning? What
do you make of twenty twenty five? What a wide
ranging question that is?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Well this morning, I'm happy to answer it, Piney. This
morning All Blacks versus Wales test matches are almost scripted,
aren't they? The same thing happens every time. It's like
a rom com where you know that they'll end up together,
you know, like a Kate Hudson movie. Yep, And you
know that the All Blacks are gonna sort of basically
(00:53):
push out in the fourth quarter and to a comfortable win.
But up until then there's a little bit of intrigue.
You think that Kate might not end up with Matthew McConaughey,
but in the end she does. I mean, it's just
the way it is, and so I think it was
just part of the course really to beat Wales like that.
But happy to see Ruben Love and a few others
out there play really well and wanted to Teetie suddenly
(01:16):
just hitting his straps running at full pace, which is
nice to see.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, and look, he had a terrific season last year,
as we know, and it was good to see him
recapture some of that form. What chance do you think
that a rookie wins All Blacks Player of the Year
for a second year in a row. Fabian Holland has
been awarded World Rugby's Breakthrough Player of the Year. Could
he be the All Blacks Player of the Year for
twenty five?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Well, I think so. I mean, I think I don't
know if you remember that my contributions to your show, Pony,
but you know, because there's so many right. But a
few weeks ago, I was talking about the stats at
that incredible Test where he won fifteen or fifteen lineouts
thrown to him and there's only one other lineout won
by the All Blacks and Patrick tupel Or who took
(02:04):
that one. So I've never seen a stat like that
in my time covering rugby and so but the fact
that it's a rookie doing that, and I think it
was a Bitterzo Test or possibly the South Africa Tests
at Eden Park where he did that, and that is
just incredible to think that he's playing that kind of
hand as a first year All Black. So yep, he's
(02:25):
He'd be my pick for All Black of the year.
I mean, you know, cam Reguard has obviously shown that
he's world class and he's World fifteen material, but Holland
has been an absolute find. But I do notice that
on your show that a lot of people were definitely
pretty critical of Raisers, So it feels like the sort
of season where people aren't necessarily that and amid with
(02:49):
the way the All Blacks have been playing.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
No, I think you're right, and I think that's probably
fair given you know, I think the gut feel for
most people and a bicking for yours, is that they
don't feel overly optimistic about twenty twenty seven. I do
know it seems odd, but we do go from World
Cup to World Cup. How do you feel about whether
the All Blacks are in the midpoint of the World
(03:13):
Cup cycle.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I feel confident in the talent that's been developed, and
I think as a development job, I think RAS has
done that really well. So you know, I'm probably an
advocate for the way he has brought plans and although
I am a I'm a big Ruben Love fan and
I feel like having him just carrying the tackle backs
for most of the tour was a wasted opportunity, you know.
(03:38):
So and next year he's getting Richie M Warner back,
So we may never find out how good Ruben Love
it can be as a first five at test level.
But that's fine. I mean, I think that he's had
a lot on his plate in terms of getting new
all blacks up to scratch. The big problem is one
that a lot of your listeners has identified for me.
As well as the strategy, the attack strategy, the will's
(04:01):
come off a lot. You saw against England last week,
you know, ugging the blind that's crowded, basically becoming you know,
turnover fodder when you don't have enough people in support,
enough cleaners they're called. So I think in terms of changes,
I think there should be someone to come in. We
(04:24):
can't get Tony Brown obviously, and you did mention that
he's contracted through the twenty twenty seven for South Africa,
which is a huge bummer. But I think we need
to find the next best thing to Tony Brown to
run our attack.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
All right, some questions to be answered and some discussions
to be had. Can we move to the Ashes? I
was looking forward to day three of the Ashes when
I finished the show today. I was going to settle
in and double screen bit of Auckland f C a
bit of Ashes. But there aren't any more Ashes deliveries
to be had in Perth all over in two days.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I know. I can't believe that. I'm not going to
I don't want to compare this to another movie, but
it was over before it started, Pony. And the weird
thing is that I like bas Ball because it's you know,
it's frantic and high risk and it feels dangerous, you know,
and it's just it says Brendan McCullum all over it.
Really But when does dads, when does bas Ball become
(05:21):
m Acazi cricket? That's the question, you know, And I
think the answer is after lunch yesterday, That's when. Because
England were in a really good spot. They were in
a really good spot yesterday they had Pope and there
it was the partnership together. Sorry, I'm just looking at
(05:43):
notes Pope and duck It and they were in a
good spot and they should have flipped the script there
with men and gone anti bas and just dug in,
and I think they would have come away with at
least a tough ask for Australia, if not a victory.
And instead it was Baars all the way and you
live by the bars, you die by the bears.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
You're right though, they were sixty five for one when
Duckett and Pope were together, and as you say, they
weren't Baars balling it necessarily, but they were starting to
build what could have been a fairly handy lead. But
from sixty five for one to all out one sixty four,
what's that nine for ninety nine, you've lost.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, it was an absolute disaster. And that's why at
lunch time it just would have been a perfect time
to say, okay, let's dig in now. Because the thing
about Australian bowlers is they never go away. And oh
there's a couple of times when you do notice that
they I mean, I remember when Ross Taylor sort of
pounded them into submission a few years ago when he
got two ninety over there in Perth. But they could
(06:46):
still see hope, there's still grass on the pitch, probably
too much grass. I interviewed the great Jeff Thompson the
other day and he was saying there's so much grass
on these Test wickets that even he at seventy five
could take some wickets, and of course I laughed, haha.
And then I watched the Test and what, Actually, maybe
you're right, Jeff, because it was treacherous out there. But yeah,
(07:08):
this is the whole thing. Those Aussie bowlers knew there
was still hope and they still had the you know,
the bit between their teeth, and they came back and
just absolutely plowed through England. So I think that's one
that got away, and maybe that they need to mix
up that strategy from bads to anti bans just every
now and then. I agree.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Now, one of the proudest sporting regions in New Zealand
is Marlborough and you had the opportunity to m see
their sports awards over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Oh poney, what a night to be down there. I
probably will never get invited back, but was great to
be in Blenham and a fantastic crowd there. I loved it,
you know, like this is one of those things where
I know that you're seeing the Nelson Awards next week
and I'm sure you'll you'll hit it out of the park.
But look, there's some incredible athletes that have come through
(08:00):
there and you kind of forget Lance Kins. You know,
there's Joe Sullivan of course, a gold medalist rower of his,
Anton Oliver and others you know who've just been luminaries
of the Mulborough sporting scene.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Leon McDonald was a mulber boy.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I think, yes, Leo McDonald, David Hill, there's lots of
them that have come through there. But the Supreme Award
winner last night was Tomurthy Taveta Nahweyo, so he turned
up for Fiji and Marlborough. And the great thing about
it is like, look, there were other really cool athletes
as well. I should mention before get into Timurthy and
(08:39):
the victory acceptance speech. It's just that there was a
two young cyclists we should look out for, brother and sister,
Finn and Neve McKenzie watched this space, both under nineteen
or nineteen years old and both doing incredible things on
the world stage. And then Meig Flanagan, a roller who's
very talented and under twenty three crews currently at university
(09:01):
of Tennessee with his sister Emma, an equally talented rower,
so look out for them. But Mothy couldn't be there.
He's getting in his knee operation done. And a guy
called Bill Matthews, Uncle Bill they call him, who looked
after Tomaty as soon as he arrived, and Marlborough made
the speech. And there's something to be said for having
real salt of the earth people getting up on stage
(09:23):
and telling inappropriate stories. It actually works, Piney because everyone
else is saying the normal lip service stuff, positive things
and blah blah blah. But honestly, Bill brought the house
down and I'm not going to tell the inappropriate stories
today on zeb But he did tell one story about
how he wasn't that keen on fitness in the early
(09:43):
days to Morthy and he said the equivalent of his
idea of fitness was just to lie on the bed
and then he'd tell him to get up out of bed,
and he'd just open one eye like a tuatara, he said,
And that was that was the most exercise he said
in the early days. But he turned it around and
then became a champion.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Wonderful stuff. I'll get you to send me all your
notes with including your jokes that I can use a
Nelson in a week's time. Jim Boy's good to chat
mate James mccaroney part of our Sunday.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk set B weekends from midday, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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