November 16, 2024 • 8 mins
A sudden comeback from the French put an end to the All Blacks' northern tour hot streak.
The All Blacks led 17-10 at halftime, but multiple errors saw France beat out the Kiwis 30-29.
All Blacks assistant coach Jason Holland joined Piney to discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from Newstalk z B.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Let's get you back to Paris where All Black's assistant
coach Jason Holland is standing by the chat to us, Jason,
thanks for taking our call. Thirty five minutes or so
after the finals. So what's your initial assessment of the
eighty minutes?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I think, Hey, Piney, Yeah, obviously obviously pretty gutted around
not not quite getting the job done, but at the
same time, pretty proud of some of the effort that
the boys put in, and you know, a couple of
key moments and things are different, so that's really disappointing.
But you know, we played some good footy at times
and some of the if it was something to be
proud of.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I think, what were the key moments for you that
that had the biggest impact on the game.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
There was just a couple of things where we didn't
quite finish off you know, multi phase we had three
or four for you know, three or four and five
and six phases and then we couldn't quite get over
the line and in seven points would have made a
lot of difference in that second half with you know,
spiller pass or not quite get delivery right or a
line out or those sort of little things at the
(01:13):
back end of the game. Was it was massive? So yeah,
obviously the French came out after half time and really accurate,
scored a couple of tries and put us under pressure
and now their big moments, and we couldn't quite do
it in the end.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Did you feel like you should have been ahead by
more at halftime?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, yeah, probably. Yeah. We got those two tries in
the first half and pretty easiestcored one more maybe if
we'd had it on to the ball a little bit longer.
So they in finish to the French, they hang on,
they hang in and we ran them around and we
wanted to make sure they're type five had to work
really hard defensively and we did. I think we put
(01:53):
some really good phases that play together and made them
really go to the well around getting up and defending,
and they did it pretty well. But yeah, one or
two more little one more passed a couple of times
and hold onto the ball, one or two more phases.
But that's the game, and that it is.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
You were behind last week and the week before that
won both of those games. So did you have comfort
that even when France went ahead with what about half
an hour ago, you were still going to be okay
to get back in the game.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah, we've got it. We've got a good, a pretty
experienced and smart leadership group out there. So even when
we went there and we shipped two tries and in
the second half, we knew the boys just went back
to what we knew and chipped away and knew that
we just had to be nice and accurate. So yeah,
well we've made some real strides around that with the
leadership and our understanding of how to win games. I
(02:41):
think obviously we couldn't quite get it done this week
like we have in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Hindsight, it's always a wonderful thing, I know, But can
you talk us through the decision to take the three
points in the seventy fifth minute when you were four
points behind?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, look, I think, yeah, it's a fifty fifty one,
isn't it. It's one where you just got to you're
back the boys out there. I think the mindset was
we've been once we get positioned, building pressure and the
French are and fringing, So going within a penalty to
want it in the seventy ninth was the mindset around
around what we went to. It's probably one we have
(03:16):
a look at, but I think it's probably a fifty
to fifty and you back the boys on the field
to get a field for how they think they're going
to win the game.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So that decision comes from from from the on field
leadership team that doesn't get sent down from the box.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Well, there's a couple of things that go down, but
sometimes you don't give things down in time, and sometimes
you just back the boys and I know Raises massive
on trusting trusting the boys out there. So last week
we took those points and probably won the game for us.
So it's a bit of a field thing from week
to week.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I think a lot of people are asking about the
decision to replace cam royguard so early in the second half.
Can you give us the analysis on that.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Oh, look, she was a quick game out there and
the nine are covering some massive meters and we know
what Cortes can give us can come on and speed
the game up, and I think of that little bit
Ken was good and fifty fifty or whatever it was,
fifty two or fifty three minutes and nine's you know,
a new nine as a real freshener for the team.
(04:19):
So you know that was that someone set there.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
It just seemed that there was a lot more robustness
at the at the base of the right compared to
last week, and it felt like cam roy Guard was
really providing that. Was that a specific work on this
week that you know, to be a bit more robust
at the collision and the base of the rug.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I think that was across the across the board. We
knew that the French are going to be, you know,
the probably most physical team we play on this tour,
and the way we had to stop them around the breakdown,
we couldn't let them come through, and then when we
hit the ball, we had to be a threat. And
you know, we know that Cam's you know, all three
of our nines can be nice and nice and dynamic
(04:59):
and robust around there. So yeah, it was a big
part of the game, to be honest. The French took
us on around the breakway around the ruck and crowded
a couple of tries from it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You monster their scrum, Do you feel like you should
have had more scrum penalties?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Uh? Yeah, Look You're probably asking the wrong man here,
but the feeling I got was that the other Jason
was would have been looking for a couple of penalties.
But yeah, it was good, it was It was awesome,
awesome stint from from the top five there, especially in
the first half, and yeah, I think they were hanging
on by a thread, but fearless they got to down
(05:34):
a lot. But it would have been nice to play
for a couple of advantages that we think maybe we
should have had.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Peter Key came on very early, very very early. You
were his first Hurricanes coach. How have you assessed her
step up to test rugby?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Oh? Maye be interesting to watch the video, but he
looked like he smashed it out there. Some of his carry,
some of his working around the collisions against a massive
French pack was was impressive and sort of I think
a lot of people knew that Pete's going to be,
you know, a long time international replayer, and he probably
probably showed that all the potential there, that's that's already
(06:09):
there and that he's nailing stuff. So but he had
a really good game and that'll stand to him his
confidence and you know, he can be really happy with
what he did.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I feel like I'm running out of edgectis for Artie
Savia even though he didn't actually play open side, How
did he treat his week with a different number on
his back, a different role to play?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Oh, boys that you know, they just get about a
different role and just the way they go. He's been
playing a bit like a seven and between Ardi being
the real mentor you know, for the boys Simmer, Penny
for Wally, for Pete around him. He really thrives on
that and then making sure that you know, the four
of them plus the other boys don't get a run,
are really tight during the week and helping each other
(06:49):
understand exactly how they're going to play. So she's no
you know, water off a duck's back for ours about
whether he's playing seven or eight. He just prepares to
get to the week right and helps the boys around him.
So yeah, you're right with superlatives. He was created a
lot that he created the first try someone was carrying
and work around the breakdowns phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
We saw Jordi Barrett leave the field in the first half.
Can you tell us what the issue was there?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah? I haven't had the for sure, but I just
know he's hanging on and he's hoping there's nothing too
much wrong. It's his knee, the other knee that he has,
other knees, so hopefully that's only a short short term
a couple of weeks. But you know, we'll know about
that when we get scans on that tomorrow. But yeah,
he's a little bit sore today, so this evening, so
we'll see how we go, all.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Right, And just to finish a lot of players have
had big workloads these last three weekends. I think ten
players have started all three of these three big test matches.
Lots of others have had three test weeks in a row.
Are we likely to see a few other players get
opportunities next week in Durant?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I think, I think we'll put the best team for Italy.
But you've sort of you've still of touched on something
that maybe we've considered that it's been a mass of
three weeks and worked hard during the three weeks and
like everybody is, but we've just got to figure out
exactly what the best team and where everyone's at to
make sure that, you know, make sure that we can
(08:10):
play really well against Italy because we'll need to put
them away so yeah, we see what happens Sunday and Monday,
probably to see where everybody's at. But you're right, people
have had a big workload and there's definitely going to
be that it need to be a bit of a
freshen up in a couple of spots.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Safe travels, Jace, thanks for joining us as always, Thanks Poidie,
Thanks mate, all the best mind. That's Jason Holland, assistant
coach of the All Blacks, joining us with his thoughts
and some interesting ones there too.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk z B weekends from midday or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from Newstalk z B.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Let's get you back to Paris where All Black's assistant
coach Jason Holland is standing by the chat to us, Jason,
thanks for taking our call. Thirty five minutes or so
after the finals. So what's your initial assessment of the
eighty minutes?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I think, Hey, Piney, Yeah, obviously obviously pretty gutted around
not not quite getting the job done, but at the
same time, pretty proud of some of the effort that
the boys put in, and you know, a couple of
key moments and things are different, so that's really disappointing.
But you know, we played some good footy at times
and some of the if it was something to be
proud of.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I think, what were the key moments for you that
that had the biggest impact on the game.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
There was just a couple of things where we didn't
quite finish off you know, multi phase we had three
or four for you know, three or four and five
and six phases and then we couldn't quite get over
the line and in seven points would have made a
lot of difference in that second half with you know,
spiller pass or not quite get delivery right or a
line out or those sort of little things at the
(01:13):
back end of the game. Was it was massive? So yeah,
obviously the French came out after half time and really accurate,
scored a couple of tries and put us under pressure
and now their big moments, and we couldn't quite do
it in the end.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Did you feel like you should have been ahead by
more at halftime?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, yeah, probably. Yeah. We got those two tries in
the first half and pretty easiestcored one more maybe if
we'd had it on to the ball a little bit longer.
So they in finish to the French, they hang on,
they hang in and we ran them around and we
wanted to make sure they're type five had to work
really hard defensively and we did. I think we put
(01:53):
some really good phases that play together and made them
really go to the well around getting up and defending,
and they did it pretty well. But yeah, one or
two more little one more passed a couple of times
and hold onto the ball, one or two more phases.
But that's the game, and that it is.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
You were behind last week and the week before that
won both of those games. So did you have comfort
that even when France went ahead with what about half
an hour ago, you were still going to be okay
to get back in the game.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah, we've got it. We've got a good, a pretty
experienced and smart leadership group out there. So even when
we went there and we shipped two tries and in
the second half, we knew the boys just went back
to what we knew and chipped away and knew that
we just had to be nice and accurate. So yeah,
well we've made some real strides around that with the
leadership and our understanding of how to win games. I
(02:41):
think obviously we couldn't quite get it done this week
like we have in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Hindsight, it's always a wonderful thing, I know, But can
you talk us through the decision to take the three
points in the seventy fifth minute when you were four
points behind?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, look, I think, yeah, it's a fifty fifty one,
isn't it. It's one where you just got to you're
back the boys out there. I think the mindset was
we've been once we get positioned, building pressure and the
French are and fringing, So going within a penalty to
want it in the seventy ninth was the mindset around
around what we went to. It's probably one we have
(03:16):
a look at, but I think it's probably a fifty
to fifty and you back the boys on the field
to get a field for how they think they're going
to win the game.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So that decision comes from from from the on field
leadership team that doesn't get sent down from the box.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Well, there's a couple of things that go down, but
sometimes you don't give things down in time, and sometimes
you just back the boys and I know Raises massive
on trusting trusting the boys out there. So last week
we took those points and probably won the game for us.
So it's a bit of a field thing from week
to week.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I think a lot of people are asking about the
decision to replace cam royguard so early in the second half.
Can you give us the analysis on that.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Oh, look, she was a quick game out there and
the nine are covering some massive meters and we know
what Cortes can give us can come on and speed
the game up, and I think of that little bit
Ken was good and fifty fifty or whatever it was,
fifty two or fifty three minutes and nine's you know,
a new nine as a real freshener for the team.
(04:19):
So you know that was that someone set there.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
It just seemed that there was a lot more robustness
at the at the base of the right compared to
last week, and it felt like cam roy Guard was
really providing that. Was that a specific work on this
week that you know, to be a bit more robust
at the collision and the base of the rug.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I think that was across the across the board. We
knew that the French are going to be, you know,
the probably most physical team we play on this tour,
and the way we had to stop them around the breakdown,
we couldn't let them come through, and then when we
hit the ball, we had to be a threat. And
you know, we know that Cam's you know, all three
of our nines can be nice and nice and dynamic
(04:59):
and robust around there. So yeah, it was a big
part of the game, to be honest. The French took
us on around the breakway around the ruck and crowded
a couple of tries from it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You monster their scrum, Do you feel like you should
have had more scrum penalties?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Uh? Yeah, Look You're probably asking the wrong man here,
but the feeling I got was that the other Jason
was would have been looking for a couple of penalties.
But yeah, it was good, it was It was awesome,
awesome stint from from the top five there, especially in
the first half, and yeah, I think they were hanging
on by a thread, but fearless they got to down
(05:34):
a lot. But it would have been nice to play
for a couple of advantages that we think maybe we
should have had.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Peter Key came on very early, very very early. You
were his first Hurricanes coach. How have you assessed her
step up to test rugby?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Oh? Maye be interesting to watch the video, but he
looked like he smashed it out there. Some of his carry,
some of his working around the collisions against a massive
French pack was was impressive and sort of I think
a lot of people knew that Pete's going to be,
you know, a long time international replayer, and he probably
probably showed that all the potential there, that's that's already
(06:09):
there and that he's nailing stuff. So but he had
a really good game and that'll stand to him his
confidence and you know, he can be really happy with
what he did.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I feel like I'm running out of edgectis for Artie
Savia even though he didn't actually play open side, How
did he treat his week with a different number on
his back, a different role to play?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Oh, boys that you know, they just get about a
different role and just the way they go. He's been
playing a bit like a seven and between Ardi being
the real mentor you know, for the boys Simmer, Penny
for Wally, for Pete around him. He really thrives on
that and then making sure that you know, the four
of them plus the other boys don't get a run,
are really tight during the week and helping each other
(06:49):
understand exactly how they're going to play. So she's no
you know, water off a duck's back for ours about
whether he's playing seven or eight. He just prepares to
get to the week right and helps the boys around him.
So yeah, you're right with superlatives. He was created a
lot that he created the first try someone was carrying
and work around the breakdowns phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
We saw Jordi Barrett leave the field in the first half.
Can you tell us what the issue was there?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah? I haven't had the for sure, but I just
know he's hanging on and he's hoping there's nothing too
much wrong. It's his knee, the other knee that he has,
other knees, so hopefully that's only a short short term
a couple of weeks. But you know, we'll know about
that when we get scans on that tomorrow. But yeah,
he's a little bit sore today, so this evening, so
we'll see how we go, all.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Right, And just to finish a lot of players have
had big workloads these last three weekends. I think ten
players have started all three of these three big test matches.
Lots of others have had three test weeks in a row.
Are we likely to see a few other players get
opportunities next week in Durant?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I think, I think we'll put the best team for Italy.
But you've sort of you've still of touched on something
that maybe we've considered that it's been a mass of
three weeks and worked hard during the three weeks and
like everybody is, but we've just got to figure out
exactly what the best team and where everyone's at to
make sure that, you know, make sure that we can
(08:10):
play really well against Italy because we'll need to put
them away so yeah, we see what happens Sunday and Monday,
probably to see where everybody's at. But you're right, people
have had a big workload and there's definitely going to
be that it need to be a bit of a
freshen up in a couple of spots.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Safe travels, Jace, thanks for joining us as always, Thanks Poidie,
Thanks mate, all the best mind. That's Jason Holland, assistant
coach of the All Blacks, joining us with his thoughts
and some interesting ones there too.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk z B weekends from midday or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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