September 13, 2025 • 8 mins
The All Blacks have taken a giant step backwards in a 43-10 crushing at the hands of South Africa in Wellington.
It’s their worst ever defeat shipping six tries to one after leading 10-7 at halftime on the back of debutant Leroy Carter’s try.
All Blacks assistant coach Jason Ryan joined Piney to discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalks EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
What's a sports You're to endure? Thirty sixteen spring box
lead ball in midfield? Do they want another?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
One?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Live box? Now for Villimsa down the left hand side
of the park, Willimsa swerving through now finding Williams cutting shapes,
off loading mister Hazen. They got to score another forty one,
ten kept to come. It's the box, the never biggest
ever went over the.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
All Blacks South Africa forty three All Blacks ten All
Blacks Assistant coach Jason Ryan is with us. What happened?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, disappointing. We just basically lost all our momentum. We Yeah,
we had a bit of a meltdown and a couple
of decisions under pressure and just couldn't get the rhythm
and they got away orse than that second half. And yeah,
we're going to take a pretty hard look at ourselves,
to be honest. Yeah, I think we uh, you know,
(01:09):
we lost a little bit of momentum and timing and
our set piece as well. That's that's on me. I'll
take responsibility for that. We missed a couple of couple
of lineouts at key times where the scrum was. I
think the scrum count was they won three penalties, we won,
we won two, so that was they got a head
(01:30):
there and one. So yeah, I'll just take four responsibility
for my air and the set piece. We've got to
have a real hard look at ourselves in that part
of our game because we pride ourselves on that and
we just went up to par last night.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
How did the performance deteriorate so much compared to last week.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah, yeah, it's a great question. Look, I haven't looked
at all of the game yet. I've only got to
just after halftime. I thought we played some mores and rugby,
and the ball and hand in the first forty was
right on, and then you know, halftime, the boys felt
fresh and we just yeah that we just made era
(02:10):
after era and then some when we did win some lineouts.
I thought our kicking was not good enough and we
lost the aerial battle and we pretty much lost everything,
to be fair, So when we review that deeply, we've
got to make some adjustment adjustments pretty quick. We put.
We put a lot into that dismatch. We put we
(02:31):
thought we had a great week in preparation we You know,
we talked a lot around the week before, earlier in
the week and getting getting a mental side right. It
wasn't so much performing the putting together the same performance
as Eden Park, but it was getting there to the
same mental performance. And I just don't think we were there.
(02:52):
And I think everyone could have seen that that that last half,
we we just didn't come out of the blocks and
we didn't get any rhythm up. I can't really explain
any simply that, to be honest.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, And how do you explain that that in the
second half it just all fell apart so spectacularly it did.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
We missed I think forty odd tackles or forty plus tackles.
It was pretty much every part of our game just misfunctioned.
The box got a roll on, They played smart and
to be honest, gave us a lesson.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Do you think some players gave up near the end?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I wouldn't like to say that. I hope that wasn't
the case on these boys. Care Look, I know that
the performance doesn't look like that. There was much kere shown,
but where we just couldn't get it, we couldn't get
our hands on the ball. Where we did we lost
it and we just yeah, we just weren't there under
pressure when it mattered. I can't put it any simpler
(03:52):
than that. And we'll take full responsibility for that as
a forwards coach, and we've got we've got to front
up and be better, a lot better moving forward. We
know that we have to be.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Now, do you expect to face scrutiny after this?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yep? And we should.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
What do you think the things that will be worrying
All Black fans the most today will be.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Probably everything that I've covered. You know, we've got the
ownership part of areas of big rocks of our game
and the executing basic skill sets under pressure. I've pretty
much just covered and I think we've got every right
to to cop it with that performance, and we can't
(04:38):
hide from that. I know we won't be either.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
How has the aerial battle become so challenging for the
All Blacks?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, it's look at it. I think it's challenging. And
when you look at all of the games, if I
just identify the Rugby Championship, the teams that win the
aerial battle often win the test match, and the scores
that are quite high score games like you know, Australia
put what thirty eight points on the spring blocks of
Alve Park and the area or better was good over there.
(05:12):
So it's fine lines between I think when we kick,
how we kick and that retention of getting it back
that's changed the most, obviously with the escorting laws and
that sort of thing. It's a in all honesty, it's
a fifty to fifty when that ball's in the air.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Why then aren't we winning more of the fifty fifties?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Why are we winning more of the fifty fifties?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah? I mean, if it's fifty fifty, we should we
should win half of them, shouldn't we?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, well we did the week before we won most
of them. This is last night we didn't.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Are you getting what you need from your on field leaders.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
At times? You know, I think that they will have
a look at that as well. When we're calling our
strapped and what what calls are made at the right
time in the moment, I think that, you know, there'll
be some good ic conversations there. There have to be.
But everything from the coaching group, we lead it. We
give them the information that they have to execute. So,
(06:13):
like I said, I'm only talking about my area I'll
take ownership for the set piece side of it, and
it's got to be better on me.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Yeah, but I don't think Jason, you can take responsibility
for a lineout at sixty minutes says seventeen to ten down,
new hooker on the field who hasn't a lot of
All Blacks experience and the throw goes to the back.
You can't take responsibility for that, can you. That's an
on field decision.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It is an on flod decision, and that decision there
could have been a couple of different options that could
have been taken ahead of that one. Yep, there could
have been and you know, like that line out, we've
got three or four calls that we could have gone to.
And yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Scott Robertson said after the game last night. In order
to fix this, you have to be clear about what
matters most on and off the field. You can't go
chasing a whole bunch of stuff. What do you think
the really key things are for the next next teen
to twelve days ahead of the first let us low test.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Well, we've got to address our performing under pressure and
obviously the moments that shift in this game so quick,
like you know, I was still in the Felix Jones
after the game, he said, cheers on Colby doesn't get
that into sept It's a different ball game, you know,
and then that's a different score line, and then that's
pressure on them, realis he did get it, and then
(07:31):
that probably shifted the momentum as well. So look, we've
got to secure the ball. We've got to look after
the ball better than what we have been and address
the decisions we're making at key times.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
You'll be very open and honest during this chat, Jason.
Is that the feeling that permeates throughout the team as well?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yep, yeah it is. And honestly, Jason, you just can't hide.
And you know I've been in teams. I've been in
probably the All Blacks as well, and that tooking him
test a few years ago, and they gave us a
decent toil up then. So it's how we react from it.
We were well off par they played well, but we
(08:15):
have to be a lot better. We have to look
at ourselves really harder, and that starts from the coaches group.
I know for myself first and foremost, because I'm responsible.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Thanks for your time this afternoon. Jas, I appreciate it
very much. Jason Ryan, assistant coach of the All Blacks.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk ZEDB weekends from midday, or follow the
podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalks EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
What's a sports You're to endure? Thirty sixteen spring box
lead ball in midfield? Do they want another?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
One?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Live box? Now for Villimsa down the left hand side
of the park, Willimsa swerving through now finding Williams cutting shapes,
off loading mister Hazen. They got to score another forty one,
ten kept to come. It's the box, the never biggest
ever went over the.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
All Blacks South Africa forty three All Blacks ten All
Blacks Assistant coach Jason Ryan is with us. What happened?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, disappointing. We just basically lost all our momentum. We Yeah,
we had a bit of a meltdown and a couple
of decisions under pressure and just couldn't get the rhythm
and they got away orse than that second half. And yeah,
we're going to take a pretty hard look at ourselves,
to be honest. Yeah, I think we uh, you know,
(01:09):
we lost a little bit of momentum and timing and
our set piece as well. That's that's on me. I'll
take responsibility for that. We missed a couple of couple
of lineouts at key times where the scrum was. I
think the scrum count was they won three penalties, we won,
we won two, so that was they got a head
(01:30):
there and one. So yeah, I'll just take four responsibility
for my air and the set piece. We've got to
have a real hard look at ourselves in that part
of our game because we pride ourselves on that and
we just went up to par last night.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
How did the performance deteriorate so much compared to last week.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah, yeah, it's a great question. Look, I haven't looked
at all of the game yet. I've only got to
just after halftime. I thought we played some mores and rugby,
and the ball and hand in the first forty was
right on, and then you know, halftime, the boys felt
fresh and we just yeah that we just made era
(02:10):
after era and then some when we did win some lineouts.
I thought our kicking was not good enough and we
lost the aerial battle and we pretty much lost everything,
to be fair, So when we review that deeply, we've
got to make some adjustment adjustments pretty quick. We put.
We put a lot into that dismatch. We put we
(02:31):
thought we had a great week in preparation we You know,
we talked a lot around the week before, earlier in
the week and getting getting a mental side right. It
wasn't so much performing the putting together the same performance
as Eden Park, but it was getting there to the
same mental performance. And I just don't think we were there.
(02:52):
And I think everyone could have seen that that that last half,
we we just didn't come out of the blocks and
we didn't get any rhythm up. I can't really explain
any simply that, to be honest.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, And how do you explain that that in the
second half it just all fell apart so spectacularly it did.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
We missed I think forty odd tackles or forty plus tackles.
It was pretty much every part of our game just misfunctioned.
The box got a roll on, They played smart and
to be honest, gave us a lesson.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Do you think some players gave up near the end?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I wouldn't like to say that. I hope that wasn't
the case on these boys. Care Look, I know that
the performance doesn't look like that. There was much kere shown,
but where we just couldn't get it, we couldn't get
our hands on the ball. Where we did we lost
it and we just yeah, we just weren't there under
pressure when it mattered. I can't put it any simpler
(03:52):
than that. And we'll take full responsibility for that as
a forwards coach, and we've got we've got to front
up and be better, a lot better moving forward. We
know that we have to be.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Now, do you expect to face scrutiny after this?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yep? And we should.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
What do you think the things that will be worrying
All Black fans the most today will be.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Probably everything that I've covered. You know, we've got the
ownership part of areas of big rocks of our game
and the executing basic skill sets under pressure. I've pretty
much just covered and I think we've got every right
to to cop it with that performance, and we can't
(04:38):
hide from that. I know we won't be either.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
How has the aerial battle become so challenging for the
All Blacks?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, it's look at it. I think it's challenging. And
when you look at all of the games, if I
just identify the Rugby Championship, the teams that win the
aerial battle often win the test match, and the scores
that are quite high score games like you know, Australia
put what thirty eight points on the spring blocks of
Alve Park and the area or better was good over there.
(05:12):
So it's fine lines between I think when we kick,
how we kick and that retention of getting it back
that's changed the most, obviously with the escorting laws and
that sort of thing. It's a in all honesty, it's
a fifty to fifty when that ball's in the air.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Why then aren't we winning more of the fifty fifties?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Why are we winning more of the fifty fifties?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah? I mean, if it's fifty fifty, we should we
should win half of them, shouldn't we?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, well we did the week before we won most
of them. This is last night we didn't.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Are you getting what you need from your on field leaders.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
At times? You know, I think that they will have
a look at that as well. When we're calling our
strapped and what what calls are made at the right
time in the moment, I think that, you know, there'll
be some good ic conversations there. There have to be.
But everything from the coaching group, we lead it. We
give them the information that they have to execute. So,
(06:13):
like I said, I'm only talking about my area I'll
take ownership for the set piece side of it, and
it's got to be better on me.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Yeah, but I don't think Jason, you can take responsibility
for a lineout at sixty minutes says seventeen to ten down,
new hooker on the field who hasn't a lot of
All Blacks experience and the throw goes to the back.
You can't take responsibility for that, can you. That's an
on field decision.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It is an on flod decision, and that decision there
could have been a couple of different options that could
have been taken ahead of that one. Yep, there could
have been and you know, like that line out, we've
got three or four calls that we could have gone to.
And yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Scott Robertson said after the game last night. In order
to fix this, you have to be clear about what
matters most on and off the field. You can't go
chasing a whole bunch of stuff. What do you think
the really key things are for the next next teen
to twelve days ahead of the first let us low test.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Well, we've got to address our performing under pressure and
obviously the moments that shift in this game so quick,
like you know, I was still in the Felix Jones
after the game, he said, cheers on Colby doesn't get
that into sept It's a different ball game, you know,
and then that's a different score line, and then that's
pressure on them, realis he did get it, and then
(07:31):
that probably shifted the momentum as well. So look, we've
got to secure the ball. We've got to look after
the ball better than what we have been and address
the decisions we're making at key times.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
You'll be very open and honest during this chat, Jason.
Is that the feeling that permeates throughout the team as well?
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yep, yeah it is. And honestly, Jason, you just can't hide.
And you know I've been in teams. I've been in
probably the All Blacks as well, and that tooking him
test a few years ago, and they gave us a
decent toil up then. So it's how we react from it.
We were well off par they played well, but we
(08:15):
have to be a lot better. We have to look
at ourselves really harder, and that starts from the coaches group.
I know for myself first and foremost, because I'm responsible.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Thanks for your time this afternoon. Jas, I appreciate it
very much. Jason Ryan, assistant coach of the All Blacks.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk ZEDB weekends from midday, or follow the
podcast on iHeartRadio
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