September 12, 2025 • 10 mins
Wellington is abuzz ahead of the second clash between the All Blacks and Springboks.
The two faced off at Eden Park last week, and have moved down to the capital for a rematch at Sky Stadium.
Former All Black Nehe Milner-Skudder popped in to Shed 22, joining Piney for a chat about the upcoming match and to absorb the atmosphere.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Including one of the final against Australia near him illness gudder.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Great to see you, mate.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
She's very thanks for having me. Just listening to the
boys you got lined up coming on after me. I
guess I won't set the bar too high for them,
but I'm sure they'll roll in and get some good yarns.
But it's awesome to be here. It's yeah, a lot
of Springbok jerseys. I was just seen my mate toes before,
did a bit of a wander through town early doors.
(00:37):
My daughter loves getting on the cable car, so I
thought I will get out there bright and early to
miss all the Russian ari.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
I thought I was, you know, and Joe bog or
something with all the.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Green and gold jerseys on the cable car and rolling
around Lenton. So it's awesome, buzz yeah. Really excited for
tonight and here it's gonna be a good one.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, test match in the city. It's great.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It's not you can soak up the day and ride
the cable car see some fans. Now you're involved in
coaching at the moment in fact, the reason we had
you leading off was because of your star power obviously,
but also because you've got to get out to Kilbernie
to coach the pornikee under eighty five.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
So you're in the quarter finals of the national camp.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
So pornakeab boys have been going alright, had a couple
of wins in the first rounds of this eighty five
knockout comp. So we've got new Plymouth old boys at
Kilbernie Park. So while you're listening, if you're not so
much in the next sort of forty five minutes, keep
the radio going. But in terms of viewing things, yeah,
come down to Kilburnie and watch our boys have run
(01:35):
around yet they train pretty well this week and obviously
at this knockout stage anything can happen. So yeah, really
pumped for that and probably set the tone hopefully for
a few good results coming forward later on. Over the
next twelve hours, that eighty.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Five kilogram division some kind of growing, hasn't it. And
we saw a new Zealand team go to Sri Lanka.
I think it was earlier this year. The national comp's
really exciting. I think the final the curtain raiser to
the Black Slow Cup game in Auckland in a couple
of weeks.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
What sort of rugby is it there?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Do you find that there are a least big hits
and more silky back line saw or is there still
some physicality involved.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
I think it's a nice mix of both.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Like you'd probably think, oh, you know, if you're the
if you're the lighter weight players running around and it
is some pretty expensive rugby. I know, probably my own
bias way of wanting to play. I try and encourage
the boys to you know, push passes and express themselves.
But I guess an interesting one and product what I
didn't appreciate was around the set piece. So when you've
(02:32):
got you know, under eighty five kg players packing down
into scrums, it's almost like the older bit more experienced
guys that know the technique and know how to pack
down and you can't kind of put you know, a
back that's sort of been playing prims into the front
run and put them into the deep end. So yeah,
na sort of caters for everyone. If there's guys that
(02:55):
you know, hole in around the set piece, you know,
they were pretty handy assets as well as yeah, guys
that can fling the ball around and use them at
a pace out wide.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
All right, well, all the best of this afternoon. We'll
be looking at for the result in a couple of hours.
All Black South Africa famous rivalry normally pretty tight apart
from Albany twenty seventeen All Blacks fifty seven South Africa Nil.
You were part of that team. Couple of tries for
you that night. What went so well for the All
Blacks that night at Albany.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yeah, it feels like a few games going now when
you talk about results, and just I guess how South
Africa had been in over the past few years. Obviously
you know, back to back World cut winning champs, but
I think reflecting back to twenty seventeen, it almost felt
like one of those games where everything just clipped.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
In our physicality.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
And I've heard that sort of touched on in the
media this week from some of the All Blacks and
All Blacks camp around getting that physicality right, and so yeah,
that like in terms of winning collisions, dominating each sort
of ball, carry, tackles, the bounce of the ball, we
sort of played at a pace where maybe we took
(04:07):
them by surprise, so we really I think that's a
couple of tries.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
We've got kind of a full length one. I think Brady.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Brittallic ran in a counter attack off reads his break.
So it's almost like the boys were just up with
the intensity and then we just matched it through you know,
our collisions, skill execution. Yeah, one of those games where
things just came off, and yeah, that was probably a
good game to be a part of.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, I bet, I bet, and you kept going as well,
because it wasn't as though it was forty a half time.
I was thirty one or something, so equal points in
both halves and the bench came on that. Cody Taylor
got the last try off the bench. The iconic try though,
your first one. When you've intercepted it, you're off fifty
meter run bodies there, you give it to him and
then he's given that little flick pass behind him back
(04:52):
to you and you're running for the try.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
What pictures are you seeing in moments like that?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Is it really just instinctive when you're playing alongside a
guy like that and everything's just in sync.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I think even sort of prior to that, in that
defensive line, I think I was defending inside outside Sunny
Bill and knowing that he likes to get get up
and put pressure on the defensive, sorry on the attacking players,
and I think it might have been one of the
loose forwards.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
So I kind of.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Just picture or anticipated that he wouldn't be able to
throw like a big cutout pass, and I'd get into
that space and that next attack outside of him, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Picked it off, got run down.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Why scot I think it was Scorzar, one of the
wingers who's absolutely rapid, saw body out the right on
my right side, and I thought, oh, yeah, give it
to him.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
He'll he'll run it in from here.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
And I've kind of probably made me feel a little
bit better the fact that not only did I get
run down, bear's got got chased down as well. And
then it was just one of those moments where I'm like,
I see body cutting back in. Yeah, just quite instinctive,
all reactive to going, oh, he could probably flick one
out here, and then he just lets it go out
(05:59):
the right hand, out the back, and then he was
a bit easier running than in twenty meters as opposed
to I think an eighty odd where were the run
first started.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, brilliant. So another one in the second half out wide.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
A lot of talk this week about about the aerial
battle high kicks. What was your strategy for dealing with
high kicks as a defender?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
First of all, Ah, as much as I planned and trained,
that probably wasn't my my strong area.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Even just thinking back to the game. In the semi
final at the.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
World Cup we played South Africa, Brian Habana was my
opposing winger and he just had a slut field day.
I think it was the prayer was the nine and
they just kept peppering me with with box kicks. I
think the strategy was to just slap, just go no,
you're out, Chuck Bender. Ben Smith moved moved to the
right wing to cover Scutter's sort of lack of and
(06:54):
in his aerial game. But just yeah, seeing as how
much of a weapon it is in today's game, Just
thinking of South Africa's sort of tactics over the last
few years and that sort of came into play last week.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Ethan Hooker their their winger.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yep, he's a big unit, so I think that will
be a good test, you know him and Will Jordan
or testing Damon and Body at the back putting a
lot of prescire there Cheslin Colby's probably run a similar
size to me, but he's one of the bravest, toughest
wingers going around and he backs himself in the here too,
So yeah, that'll be a good area, good challenge I
(07:33):
think on both teams and how.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
They use their aerial game.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Tonight, you only daboot for the All Blacks a month
before the twenty fifteen Rugby World Cup. Two tries on
daboo by the way, similar in twenty nineteen, George Bridge
and sever reached the starting wingers at the back end
of that tournament that only debut in the year before
the tournament. How much of that wing spot is about
kind of being the hot hand in the year or
so before a World Cup.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yeah, I think a lot of it comes down to form,
I guess, and you look through form over the Super
Rugby season and I think for me personally being in
those outside back or wingers, a lot of it's about
confidence and just backing yourself and you kind of don't
you can't afford to sort of second guess or you know,
(08:19):
sort of be a bit doubtful about what.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Your decisions are.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
And so I guess if people are bringing that confidence
in that form from super rugby that sort of just
naturally translates into the All Blacks, if not goes to another.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Level, which is usually the case.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
And so yeah, segueing into Bonfa and LERI Carter, I
think he's probably been one of the form wingers over
the last couple of years. So yeah, pumped to see
to see him go tonight. I remember him coming into
the Hurricanes as sort of a wider training group plan.
He was Oh, he was unreal, just the seventh background.
I think you'd gone or been involved with the and
(08:55):
you're still in seventh team, probably coming in with us
strong physical, but someone that backs himself and you had
to do that in seven. So I'm I'm sure he'll
do that tonight and you make the most of that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
All Right, you got to go me and coach in
a minute, but you reckon they'll win again tonight, AB.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
One hundred percent. Yeah, Yeah, I'm hoping, Yeah, I know
they'll win. I just hope it's a good game.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Like looking at obviously I won't come in too much
on the forwards, but both backlines are pretty exciting South Africa.
I think Yeah, russis named I think maybe six or
quite a few changes to their backline. And with all
due respect to the Krells and the Linde's and Pollards,
like the class players who.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
You know you just look at their RAKEBCV and what
they've achieved.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
It's almost like seeing how this new group with Sasha
and Moody. Damien Hilums there at twelve. Love watching him.
So yeah, it'd be awesome game. I know that AB's
will win. I just wanted to sort of there be
one of.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Those exciting chuck the ball around.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Obviously not too many mistakes were people are executing their
skills but putting their talent on displace.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
To good Mannah here. Great to see you make, great
to catch up. I feel like we could talk for hours, becase,
as I say, you got to get to Kilbernie Park.
Will look forward to the result in a few hours.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Mate. But thanks for stopping in.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Apreciate it a bray, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
It's near here.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Milner Scatter joining us to lead us off today from
SHID twenty two in Wellington.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talks it B weekends from midday or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio,
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talks ed B.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Including one of the final against Australia near him illness gudder.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Great to see you, mate.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
She's very thanks for having me. Just listening to the
boys you got lined up coming on after me. I
guess I won't set the bar too high for them,
but I'm sure they'll roll in and get some good yarns.
But it's awesome to be here. It's yeah, a lot
of Springbok jerseys. I was just seen my mate toes before,
did a bit of a wander through town early doors.
(00:37):
My daughter loves getting on the cable car, so I
thought I will get out there bright and early to
miss all the Russian ari.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
I thought I was, you know, and Joe bog or
something with all the.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Green and gold jerseys on the cable car and rolling
around Lenton. So it's awesome, buzz yeah. Really excited for
tonight and here it's gonna be a good one.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, test match in the city. It's great.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It's not you can soak up the day and ride
the cable car see some fans. Now you're involved in
coaching at the moment in fact, the reason we had
you leading off was because of your star power obviously,
but also because you've got to get out to Kilbernie
to coach the pornikee under eighty five.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
So you're in the quarter finals of the national camp.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
So pornakeab boys have been going alright, had a couple
of wins in the first rounds of this eighty five
knockout comp. So we've got new Plymouth old boys at
Kilbernie Park. So while you're listening, if you're not so
much in the next sort of forty five minutes, keep
the radio going. But in terms of viewing things, yeah,
come down to Kilburnie and watch our boys have run
(01:35):
around yet they train pretty well this week and obviously
at this knockout stage anything can happen. So yeah, really
pumped for that and probably set the tone hopefully for
a few good results coming forward later on. Over the
next twelve hours, that eighty.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Five kilogram division some kind of growing, hasn't it. And
we saw a new Zealand team go to Sri Lanka.
I think it was earlier this year. The national comp's
really exciting. I think the final the curtain raiser to
the Black Slow Cup game in Auckland in a couple
of weeks.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
What sort of rugby is it there?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Do you find that there are a least big hits
and more silky back line saw or is there still
some physicality involved.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
I think it's a nice mix of both.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Like you'd probably think, oh, you know, if you're the
if you're the lighter weight players running around and it
is some pretty expensive rugby. I know, probably my own
bias way of wanting to play. I try and encourage
the boys to you know, push passes and express themselves.
But I guess an interesting one and product what I
didn't appreciate was around the set piece. So when you've
(02:32):
got you know, under eighty five kg players packing down
into scrums, it's almost like the older bit more experienced
guys that know the technique and know how to pack
down and you can't kind of put you know, a
back that's sort of been playing prims into the front
run and put them into the deep end. So yeah,
na sort of caters for everyone. If there's guys that
(02:55):
you know, hole in around the set piece, you know,
they were pretty handy assets as well as yeah, guys
that can fling the ball around and use them at
a pace out wide.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
All right, well, all the best of this afternoon. We'll
be looking at for the result in a couple of hours.
All Black South Africa famous rivalry normally pretty tight apart
from Albany twenty seventeen All Blacks fifty seven South Africa Nil.
You were part of that team. Couple of tries for
you that night. What went so well for the All
Blacks that night at Albany.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yeah, it feels like a few games going now when
you talk about results, and just I guess how South
Africa had been in over the past few years. Obviously
you know, back to back World cut winning champs, but
I think reflecting back to twenty seventeen, it almost felt
like one of those games where everything just clipped.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
In our physicality.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
And I've heard that sort of touched on in the
media this week from some of the All Blacks and
All Blacks camp around getting that physicality right, and so yeah,
that like in terms of winning collisions, dominating each sort
of ball, carry, tackles, the bounce of the ball, we
sort of played at a pace where maybe we took
(04:07):
them by surprise, so we really I think that's a
couple of tries.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
We've got kind of a full length one. I think Brady.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Brittallic ran in a counter attack off reads his break.
So it's almost like the boys were just up with
the intensity and then we just matched it through you know,
our collisions, skill execution. Yeah, one of those games where
things just came off, and yeah, that was probably a
good game to be a part of.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, I bet, I bet, and you kept going as well,
because it wasn't as though it was forty a half time.
I was thirty one or something, so equal points in
both halves and the bench came on that. Cody Taylor
got the last try off the bench. The iconic try though,
your first one. When you've intercepted it, you're off fifty
meter run bodies there, you give it to him and
then he's given that little flick pass behind him back
(04:52):
to you and you're running for the try.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
What pictures are you seeing in moments like that?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Is it really just instinctive when you're playing alongside a
guy like that and everything's just in sync.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I think even sort of prior to that, in that
defensive line, I think I was defending inside outside Sunny
Bill and knowing that he likes to get get up
and put pressure on the defensive, sorry on the attacking players,
and I think it might have been one of the
loose forwards.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
So I kind of.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Just picture or anticipated that he wouldn't be able to
throw like a big cutout pass, and I'd get into
that space and that next attack outside of him, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Picked it off, got run down.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Why scot I think it was Scorzar, one of the
wingers who's absolutely rapid, saw body out the right on
my right side, and I thought, oh, yeah, give it
to him.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
He'll he'll run it in from here.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
And I've kind of probably made me feel a little
bit better the fact that not only did I get
run down, bear's got got chased down as well. And
then it was just one of those moments where I'm like,
I see body cutting back in. Yeah, just quite instinctive,
all reactive to going, oh, he could probably flick one
out here, and then he just lets it go out
(05:59):
the right hand, out the back, and then he was
a bit easier running than in twenty meters as opposed
to I think an eighty odd where were the run
first started.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, brilliant. So another one in the second half out wide.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
A lot of talk this week about about the aerial
battle high kicks. What was your strategy for dealing with
high kicks as a defender?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
First of all, Ah, as much as I planned and trained,
that probably wasn't my my strong area.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Even just thinking back to the game. In the semi
final at the.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
World Cup we played South Africa, Brian Habana was my
opposing winger and he just had a slut field day.
I think it was the prayer was the nine and
they just kept peppering me with with box kicks. I
think the strategy was to just slap, just go no,
you're out, Chuck Bender. Ben Smith moved moved to the
right wing to cover Scutter's sort of lack of and
(06:54):
in his aerial game. But just yeah, seeing as how
much of a weapon it is in today's game, Just
thinking of South Africa's sort of tactics over the last
few years and that sort of came into play last week.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Ethan Hooker their their winger.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yep, he's a big unit, so I think that will
be a good test, you know him and Will Jordan
or testing Damon and Body at the back putting a
lot of prescire there Cheslin Colby's probably run a similar
size to me, but he's one of the bravest, toughest
wingers going around and he backs himself in the here too,
So yeah, that'll be a good area, good challenge I
(07:33):
think on both teams and how.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
They use their aerial game.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Tonight, you only daboot for the All Blacks a month
before the twenty fifteen Rugby World Cup. Two tries on
daboo by the way, similar in twenty nineteen, George Bridge
and sever reached the starting wingers at the back end
of that tournament that only debut in the year before
the tournament. How much of that wing spot is about
kind of being the hot hand in the year or
so before a World Cup.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yeah, I think a lot of it comes down to form,
I guess, and you look through form over the Super
Rugby season and I think for me personally being in
those outside back or wingers, a lot of it's about
confidence and just backing yourself and you kind of don't
you can't afford to sort of second guess or you know,
(08:19):
sort of be a bit doubtful about what.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
Your decisions are.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
And so I guess if people are bringing that confidence
in that form from super rugby that sort of just
naturally translates into the All Blacks, if not goes to another.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Level, which is usually the case.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
And so yeah, segueing into Bonfa and LERI Carter, I
think he's probably been one of the form wingers over
the last couple of years. So yeah, pumped to see
to see him go tonight. I remember him coming into
the Hurricanes as sort of a wider training group plan.
He was Oh, he was unreal, just the seventh background.
I think you'd gone or been involved with the and
(08:55):
you're still in seventh team, probably coming in with us
strong physical, but someone that backs himself and you had
to do that in seven. So I'm I'm sure he'll
do that tonight and you make the most of that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
All Right, you got to go me and coach in
a minute, but you reckon they'll win again tonight, AB.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
One hundred percent. Yeah, Yeah, I'm hoping, Yeah, I know
they'll win. I just hope it's a good game.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Like looking at obviously I won't come in too much
on the forwards, but both backlines are pretty exciting South Africa.
I think Yeah, russis named I think maybe six or
quite a few changes to their backline. And with all
due respect to the Krells and the Linde's and Pollards,
like the class players who.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
You know you just look at their RAKEBCV and what
they've achieved.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
It's almost like seeing how this new group with Sasha
and Moody. Damien Hilums there at twelve. Love watching him.
So yeah, it'd be awesome game. I know that AB's
will win. I just wanted to sort of there be
one of.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Those exciting chuck the ball around.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Obviously not too many mistakes were people are executing their
skills but putting their talent on displace.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
To good Mannah here. Great to see you make, great
to catch up. I feel like we could talk for hours, becase,
as I say, you got to get to Kilbernie Park.
Will look forward to the result in a few hours.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Mate. But thanks for stopping in.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Apreciate it a bray, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
It's near here.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Milner Scatter joining us to lead us off today from
SHID twenty two in Wellington.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talks it B weekends from midday or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio,
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