July 28, 2024 • 14 mins
After guiding them to two Euro finals, the quarter finals of the FIFA World Cup in 2022 and the Semis in 2018, Gareth Southgate has resigned as manager of the English national football team.
Performance coach Owen Eastwood, who worked alongside alongside him, joined Piney to chat about his and Gareth's time with the English football team.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalk zedb.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
England men's football manager Gareth Southgate stepped down from the
role after eight years in charge following his side's loss
in the European Championship final. During his eight years, he
took the side to consecutive euro finals, as well as
the semi finals of the twenty eighteen Football World Cup
and the quarterfinals in twenty twenty two. Owen Eastwood as
(00:34):
a Kiwi born, UK based performance coach who's worked with
some elite sporting teams all around the world, including England
during Gareth Southgate's time in charge. Owen Eastwood is also
the author of Belonging, the Ancient Code of Togetherness. He
joins us now, Owen, thanks for taking the time to
have a chat to us, tell us about your time
(00:55):
working alongside Gareth Southgate with the England team.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Kyorder a great honor for me.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I was retained by the Football Association the year before
well he became the manager of the team. They were
doing a big DNA project and they were looking at
all the aspects of English football and what they found
is that they were pretty clear on what they wanted
to do from a technical point of view, but they
really weren't confident how to create ten culture. So anyway,
(01:24):
I was invited to participate in that, and at the
time Gareth was an under twenty one manager and I
came back with probably quite a radical report. In many ways,
I felt like they needed a complete transformation, and I
think with a lot of other managers would have been
too much for them and too different for them. But
when he was promoted to be the England men's manager,
(01:46):
he knew me.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
He agreed with the ideas and we got to work together.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
What sort of things were you suggesting to him and
to England?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
When I first got appointed, I did a three month
project trying to understand the culture of English football team.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Obviously is a kiwi.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
I wasn't familiar with that, and I went back and
I actually met players going back to the nineteen fifties
and I asked them what the ten culture was like
in the nineteen fifties and all the way through and
started to get a good sense of it. And the
thing that probably stood out the most was that the
Golden Generation, which was about twenty years ago of David
Beckham and Michael Owen and Frank Lampard and Stephen Gerard.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
They were regarded as.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Probably the best English generation since nineteen sixty six when
they won the World Cup, and they underperformed pretty miserably
really over a decade. And I spoke to some of
those players in the team, and the things that really
stood out to me was that a lot of the
players were very candid with me and said that they
did not enjoy going to a Euro's.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Or a World Cup.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
The amount of pressure on them was just extreme and
if you missed the penody you got sent off. Literally
your life could be detrimentally affected forever. And that had
happened with some people. You know, it's very actually similar
to being an all Black. This is incredible intense pressure.
People get very very emotional things don't go well. They
(03:14):
expected not only to win, but to win with style,
and some of the players told me that actually, you know,
when they'd been defeated in the quarter final of a
World Cup, the player said to me, if you had
been on our bus, you would have been sure we'd
won it. Because the players were actually so relieved to
go home and for this ordeal to have finished, it
(03:35):
looked like they were elated and celebrating. That's how bad
it was. So that was the obvious thing for me,
is that the culture was one full of fear, full
of negativity and pessimism really and that was the thing
they needed to be addressed. And you know, Gareth had
been in that situation himself, having been a player for England.
(03:55):
He completely agreed. So that's what we were able to
collaborate around. What would a more optimistic, positive, energetic culture
looked like.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Did it become that?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
You know that I'm very proud of the fact that
it definitely did. You know, the energy of the team
fundamentally shifted. As you pointed out after they won the
World Cup in nineteen sixty six. The only one made
one semi final of a World Cup after that nineteen
ninety and they never made the finals of the Euros
(04:27):
and then the four tournaments that Gareth was a manager,
made two Euros finals, made a semi final of a
World Cup and lost a quarterfinal to the reigning champions
France and the other And what people would say is
the players enjoyed the experience and they were a lot
less stressed, So we connected them with the meaning of
the three Lions and playing for England, and they loved
(04:49):
all that. We spent time away from training to connect
them with each other, and that really was a powerful
thing to have done. And we wanted a fun and
relaxed We had basketball court set up in the hotels
and we just wanted them just to be young men
and enjoy themselves.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
And Gareth was brilliant at that.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
He's a really love gentle person and he wasn't threatening
to them, he wasn't scary. He was always consistent the
way he turned up and the players learned to trust
him and became a father figure into many of them.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
So, yeah, the energy of the team changed and that.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Led to a direct improvement in their performance, and they
out about that.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Are you able to directly correlate those two things or
did they simply just play better?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
You know, I've had this with other teams as well.
Sometimes people watch a team on TV and they go,
you know what, they're not fit. They don't look fit,
they don't look conditioned. They looked exhausted. And actually, what
I've learned is that often it has nothing to do
with physical conditioning. The reason is is that and I
think a lot of people who are listening to this
can relate to this in their workplace. Probably is that
(05:55):
when you're in a very stressful environment where you don't
really feel psychologically safe, there's a lot of tension around
you and you don't really trust the environment or your lead.
That is chronic stress and you are absolutely naked. And
it's no different for a sports theme as it is
for any one else. And so there's very simple principles
(06:18):
and it's actually hormonal. Is a good way to think
about this is that we want people to be energized
by having less stress and more oxytocin, which is released
when you feel connected to people around you, and more dopamina,
which is released when you are striving towards a goal
with other people which has some meaning to you. So
these are quite simple ideas and that definitely transform the
(06:40):
energy of the team. The fact that Gareth is always
an optimist, he's focusing on what could go well well
than what could go wrong. That actually also changes the
hormonal state of people. When you are surrounded by optimistic people,
you are less stressed.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
We think the All Blacks coaches under pressure. How much
is that pressure multiplied as England means football boss.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
I don't think it's multiplied, but I think it's very,
very similar. And you know, I mean, Gareth has been
under incredible pressure in this last tournament to win it,
you know, which if you think about, is quite mad
because before his time the team which is completely uncompetitive
for fifty years. So but people like the Zelln public,
(07:29):
they want to win and they want to win in style.
And Gareth was criticized for his tactics being a bit
too cautious. I'm not a football expert, so I wouldn't
comment on that.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
But.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
There was a desire to move on from him, notwithstanding
the relative success that he yet, so you know that's
the reality and we know about that is key reason.
But you know, having said that, I encourage everybody to
get right in behind raise it because it's not easy
what he's doing, and you know, we need to have
some patients with him and allow all of this to
(08:01):
play out in the way that he's envisioned.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
As you've outlined O and GaAs Shout came under immense
heat during the Euros, despite the fact that he guided
the team all the way to the final. What I mean,
how did you feel watching him cop it? Not just
from the media, fans on social media, but also having
placed a cups thrown at him at one point.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
It was very tough because you know, he's my friend
as well as my colleague, and I didn't like to
see him suffer. And he's got a beautiful family and
they suffer as well.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So I didn't like that.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
And to be perfectly honest, I'm sort of relieved in
many ways that he's resigned and we'll move into club
football management now. One of the things we did with
the team, and I learned this when I did my
research before I started with helping them, was that they
didn't really talk about what they were trying to eve.
They didn't really talk too much about the purpose of
(08:58):
playing for England and what it was to be English.
I didn't talk about those things. I think the All
Blacks are much more sophisticated in how they think about
what the shirt represents. With England, you were expected to
get it and put it on and play well. And
one of the things that we learned was that some
of the players, and I remember Michael Wowen told me this,
is that some of the players really believe what the
media were saying, and the media was saying in the
(09:20):
Golden Generation years that you guys don't really care that
you're selfish, that you're technically not that great, that you're
mentally weak, you can't take penalties. And one of the
things Gareth did successfully is create a complete bubble around
that external noise and just change the narrative to an internal,
(09:43):
optimistic view of who we were and what we could become.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And he did an.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Amazing job of that, and the players really did churn
out from the external voices and focused on this much
more positive story about who they could become. But to
be honest, I could see over the last few weeks
it was still even getting through to him the criticism
and the negativity.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
And he's an honorable man and.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
You know, if the fans wanted to change, then he
would accept that, and that was part of his reasoning.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
When it comes to England overcoming that final obstacle and
winning major trophies. I mean, as we've outlined under Gareth,
you know they've reached a couple of Euro finals, a
semi final and a quarter final of a FIFA World Cup.
When it comes to winning one of these, is it
a mindset thing or is it? As I said before,
playing better football that's more important, or other two inextricably linked.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
You know, it's football in particular is such small margins,
really really is talking about inches decide massive games. The
team is not far off, that's pretty obvious.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
If you make two.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Finals of the euro is the first one they made
went all the way through extra time and then to
a penalty shootout, and then the second one was one
all up to the eighty.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Fifth minute, So they're not far away. You know.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Again, there'll be football experts out there who will be
able to I went to some areas of detail that
could be improved upon, no doubt, and some tactical ideas
that we probably will take the team to another level.
I'm comfortable in saying that. But one thing that I
have a slight fear of is that football in particular,
(11:24):
there's this cult of personality around the coach. And well,
what that sort of means is you put a coach
in you don't necessarily really understand all their principles of
play and how they approach things, their cultural blueprint, so
when they leave, you ask someone else to take the job.
And all those incredible learnings and the things that work
(11:45):
really well under the previous manager are sort of all
thrown up in the air and the new manager has
given complete discretion as to how they want to do
these things.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
And you know, I don't that worries me because it's
not just about.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Garasouthgate and his personality and his coaching style. There were
certain things that he discovered as manager, in particular what
was the optimal environment for English players, what they really enjoyed.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And thrived in.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
And I do fear that a new coach will come
in not part of any of that experience and we'll
just bring in their own ideas from a completely different context.
I think the All Blacks are pretty good at protecting
themselves about that. I think they know some of those
things that work really well and they want continuity. I
think if a new coach wanted to be the All
Blacks coach and said I don't really believe in play
(12:32):
a leadership group something, I'm going to blow that up.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't get through the interview process.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
But in the Football Association England, you know, although they've
engaged me for quite a long time, I'm slightly nervous
they ain't quite understand the reality of how he did
get such consistently good performances out of that.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Wait, yeah, we'll wait and see, just to finish in
the fullness of time. And you know, with I guess
a few years reflection back on what Gareth Southgate achieved
as England manager, what do you think is overriding legacy
will be.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Well, I think his overriding legacy and is one that
I will always have a lot of, you know, pride
in is that he took a team which were very uncompetitive.
The last competition they played before he was a manager,
they lost to Iceland in the round of sixteen, okay,
(13:29):
and he took that team and made them extremely competitive
and what walking you want from a coach And yes,
they still to win a trophy, so hopefully the next
person can do that. But you know, I talk about
the idea of Fucker Barber and the idea of the
sun moving down a line of people, and while the
sun shine on him, he took a very uncompetitive team
(13:50):
with I would say quite a dysfunctional culture and made
them one of the best teams in the world. And
now he's passed that on to someone who will come
in next and that's a huge thing for him to
you're proud.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Of fascinating inside. Owen, thanks so much for joining us
across New Zealand. It's been been terrifically interesting listening to
your chat.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Thank you. Great to chat, Jason, Thanks Owen.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Owen Eastward there performance coach based in the UK. Some
interesting insights there into working with the England football team
and in particular with Gareth Southgate.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
England men's football manager Gareth Southgate stepped down from the
role after eight years in charge following his side's loss
in the European Championship final. During his eight years, he
took the side to consecutive euro finals, as well as
the semi finals of the twenty eighteen Football World Cup
and the quarterfinals in twenty twenty two. Owen Eastwood as
(00:34):
a Kiwi born, UK based performance coach who's worked with
some elite sporting teams all around the world, including England
during Gareth Southgate's time in charge. Owen Eastwood is also
the author of Belonging, the Ancient Code of Togetherness. He
joins us now, Owen, thanks for taking the time to
have a chat to us, tell us about your time
(00:55):
working alongside Gareth Southgate with the England team.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Kyorder a great honor for me.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I was retained by the Football Association the year before
well he became the manager of the team. They were
doing a big DNA project and they were looking at
all the aspects of English football and what they found
is that they were pretty clear on what they wanted
to do from a technical point of view, but they
really weren't confident how to create ten culture. So anyway,
(01:24):
I was invited to participate in that, and at the
time Gareth was an under twenty one manager and I
came back with probably quite a radical report. In many ways,
I felt like they needed a complete transformation, and I
think with a lot of other managers would have been
too much for them and too different for them. But
when he was promoted to be the England men's manager,
(01:46):
he knew me.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
He agreed with the ideas and we got to work together.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
What sort of things were you suggesting to him and
to England?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
When I first got appointed, I did a three month
project trying to understand the culture of English football team.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Obviously is a kiwi.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
I wasn't familiar with that, and I went back and
I actually met players going back to the nineteen fifties
and I asked them what the ten culture was like
in the nineteen fifties and all the way through and
started to get a good sense of it. And the
thing that probably stood out the most was that the
Golden Generation, which was about twenty years ago of David
Beckham and Michael Owen and Frank Lampard and Stephen Gerard.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
They were regarded as.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Probably the best English generation since nineteen sixty six when
they won the World Cup, and they underperformed pretty miserably
really over a decade. And I spoke to some of
those players in the team, and the things that really
stood out to me was that a lot of the
players were very candid with me and said that they
did not enjoy going to a Euro's.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Or a World Cup.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
The amount of pressure on them was just extreme and
if you missed the penody you got sent off. Literally
your life could be detrimentally affected forever. And that had
happened with some people. You know, it's very actually similar
to being an all Black. This is incredible intense pressure.
People get very very emotional things don't go well. They
(03:14):
expected not only to win, but to win with style,
and some of the players told me that actually, you know,
when they'd been defeated in the quarter final of a
World Cup, the player said to me, if you had
been on our bus, you would have been sure we'd
won it. Because the players were actually so relieved to
go home and for this ordeal to have finished, it
(03:35):
looked like they were elated and celebrating. That's how bad
it was. So that was the obvious thing for me,
is that the culture was one full of fear, full
of negativity and pessimism really and that was the thing
they needed to be addressed. And you know, Gareth had
been in that situation himself, having been a player for England.
(03:55):
He completely agreed. So that's what we were able to
collaborate around. What would a more optimistic, positive, energetic culture
looked like.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Did it become that?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
You know that I'm very proud of the fact that
it definitely did. You know, the energy of the team
fundamentally shifted. As you pointed out after they won the
World Cup in nineteen sixty six. The only one made
one semi final of a World Cup after that nineteen
ninety and they never made the finals of the Euros
(04:27):
and then the four tournaments that Gareth was a manager,
made two Euros finals, made a semi final of a
World Cup and lost a quarterfinal to the reigning champions
France and the other And what people would say is
the players enjoyed the experience and they were a lot
less stressed, So we connected them with the meaning of
the three Lions and playing for England, and they loved
(04:49):
all that. We spent time away from training to connect
them with each other, and that really was a powerful
thing to have done. And we wanted a fun and
relaxed We had basketball court set up in the hotels
and we just wanted them just to be young men
and enjoy themselves.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
And Gareth was brilliant at that.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
He's a really love gentle person and he wasn't threatening
to them, he wasn't scary. He was always consistent the
way he turned up and the players learned to trust
him and became a father figure into many of them.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
So, yeah, the energy of the team changed and that.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Led to a direct improvement in their performance, and they
out about that.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Are you able to directly correlate those two things or
did they simply just play better?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
You know, I've had this with other teams as well.
Sometimes people watch a team on TV and they go,
you know what, they're not fit. They don't look fit,
they don't look conditioned. They looked exhausted. And actually, what
I've learned is that often it has nothing to do
with physical conditioning. The reason is is that and I
think a lot of people who are listening to this
can relate to this in their workplace. Probably is that
(05:55):
when you're in a very stressful environment where you don't
really feel psychologically safe, there's a lot of tension around
you and you don't really trust the environment or your lead.
That is chronic stress and you are absolutely naked. And
it's no different for a sports theme as it is
for any one else. And so there's very simple principles
(06:18):
and it's actually hormonal. Is a good way to think
about this is that we want people to be energized
by having less stress and more oxytocin, which is released
when you feel connected to people around you, and more dopamina,
which is released when you are striving towards a goal
with other people which has some meaning to you. So
these are quite simple ideas and that definitely transform the
(06:40):
energy of the team. The fact that Gareth is always
an optimist, he's focusing on what could go well well
than what could go wrong. That actually also changes the
hormonal state of people. When you are surrounded by optimistic people,
you are less stressed.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
We think the All Blacks coaches under pressure. How much
is that pressure multiplied as England means football boss.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
I don't think it's multiplied, but I think it's very,
very similar. And you know, I mean, Gareth has been
under incredible pressure in this last tournament to win it,
you know, which if you think about, is quite mad
because before his time the team which is completely uncompetitive
for fifty years. So but people like the Zelln public,
(07:29):
they want to win and they want to win in style.
And Gareth was criticized for his tactics being a bit
too cautious. I'm not a football expert, so I wouldn't
comment on that.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
But.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
There was a desire to move on from him, notwithstanding
the relative success that he yet, so you know that's
the reality and we know about that is key reason.
But you know, having said that, I encourage everybody to
get right in behind raise it because it's not easy
what he's doing, and you know, we need to have
some patients with him and allow all of this to
(08:01):
play out in the way that he's envisioned.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
As you've outlined O and GaAs Shout came under immense
heat during the Euros, despite the fact that he guided
the team all the way to the final. What I mean,
how did you feel watching him cop it? Not just
from the media, fans on social media, but also having
placed a cups thrown at him at one point.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
It was very tough because you know, he's my friend
as well as my colleague, and I didn't like to
see him suffer. And he's got a beautiful family and
they suffer as well.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So I didn't like that.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
And to be perfectly honest, I'm sort of relieved in
many ways that he's resigned and we'll move into club
football management now. One of the things we did with
the team, and I learned this when I did my
research before I started with helping them, was that they
didn't really talk about what they were trying to eve.
They didn't really talk too much about the purpose of
(08:58):
playing for England and what it was to be English.
I didn't talk about those things. I think the All
Blacks are much more sophisticated in how they think about
what the shirt represents. With England, you were expected to
get it and put it on and play well. And
one of the things that we learned was that some
of the players, and I remember Michael Wowen told me this,
is that some of the players really believe what the
media were saying, and the media was saying in the
(09:20):
Golden Generation years that you guys don't really care that
you're selfish, that you're technically not that great, that you're
mentally weak, you can't take penalties. And one of the
things Gareth did successfully is create a complete bubble around
that external noise and just change the narrative to an internal,
(09:43):
optimistic view of who we were and what we could become.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And he did an.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Amazing job of that, and the players really did churn
out from the external voices and focused on this much
more positive story about who they could become. But to
be honest, I could see over the last few weeks
it was still even getting through to him the criticism
and the negativity.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
And he's an honorable man and.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
You know, if the fans wanted to change, then he
would accept that, and that was part of his reasoning.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
When it comes to England overcoming that final obstacle and
winning major trophies. I mean, as we've outlined under Gareth,
you know they've reached a couple of Euro finals, a
semi final and a quarter final of a FIFA World Cup.
When it comes to winning one of these, is it
a mindset thing or is it? As I said before,
playing better football that's more important, or other two inextricably linked.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
You know, it's football in particular is such small margins,
really really is talking about inches decide massive games. The
team is not far off, that's pretty obvious.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
If you make two.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Finals of the euro is the first one they made
went all the way through extra time and then to
a penalty shootout, and then the second one was one
all up to the eighty.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Fifth minute, So they're not far away. You know.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Again, there'll be football experts out there who will be
able to I went to some areas of detail that
could be improved upon, no doubt, and some tactical ideas
that we probably will take the team to another level.
I'm comfortable in saying that. But one thing that I
have a slight fear of is that football in particular,
(11:24):
there's this cult of personality around the coach. And well,
what that sort of means is you put a coach
in you don't necessarily really understand all their principles of
play and how they approach things, their cultural blueprint, so
when they leave, you ask someone else to take the job.
And all those incredible learnings and the things that work
(11:45):
really well under the previous manager are sort of all
thrown up in the air and the new manager has
given complete discretion as to how they want to do
these things.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
And you know, I don't that worries me because it's
not just about.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Garasouthgate and his personality and his coaching style. There were
certain things that he discovered as manager, in particular what
was the optimal environment for English players, what they really enjoyed.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And thrived in.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
And I do fear that a new coach will come
in not part of any of that experience and we'll
just bring in their own ideas from a completely different context.
I think the All Blacks are pretty good at protecting
themselves about that. I think they know some of those
things that work really well and they want continuity. I
think if a new coach wanted to be the All
Blacks coach and said I don't really believe in play
(12:32):
a leadership group something, I'm going to blow that up.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't get through the interview process.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
But in the Football Association England, you know, although they've
engaged me for quite a long time, I'm slightly nervous
they ain't quite understand the reality of how he did
get such consistently good performances out of that.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Wait, yeah, we'll wait and see, just to finish in
the fullness of time. And you know, with I guess
a few years reflection back on what Gareth Southgate achieved
as England manager, what do you think is overriding legacy
will be.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Well, I think his overriding legacy and is one that
I will always have a lot of, you know, pride
in is that he took a team which were very uncompetitive.
The last competition they played before he was a manager,
they lost to Iceland in the round of sixteen, okay,
(13:29):
and he took that team and made them extremely competitive
and what walking you want from a coach And yes,
they still to win a trophy, so hopefully the next
person can do that. But you know, I talk about
the idea of Fucker Barber and the idea of the
sun moving down a line of people, and while the
sun shine on him, he took a very uncompetitive team
(13:50):
with I would say quite a dysfunctional culture and made
them one of the best teams in the world. And
now he's passed that on to someone who will come
in next and that's a huge thing for him to
you're proud.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Of fascinating inside. Owen, thanks so much for joining us
across New Zealand. It's been been terrifically interesting listening to
your chat.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Thank you. Great to chat, Jason, Thanks Owen.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Owen Eastward there performance coach based in the UK. Some
interesting insights there into working with the England football team
and in particular with Gareth Southgate.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
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