November 8, 2025 • 7 mins
In spite of a second half collapse at Murrayfield, the All Blacks will head for London tomorrow with their Grand Slam hopes alive.
The 25-17 win against Scotland sees the All Blacks go two from two - despite having a 17-nil halftime lead whittled down in the second spell for the Scots to draw level.
All Blacks assistant coach Scott Hansen joined Piney to explain the win.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalk zedb Foot.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Voting far past to find a knockerup.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
We said to pick it up in the fence. They
try to pick up they kid. I think he got there,
his name, his money, a miracle play.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
And he scored the try Damien mccadena. Unreal try from
Damien McKenzie. Near the end of that one. All Blacks
twenty five Scotland seventeen. All Black's assistant coach Scott Hansen
joins us. Scott, thanks for your time. I kind of
want to divide this analysis into three parts. The first
part is the first half. So seventeen nil in the
first half, happy enough at half time?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Were you? We went in at halftime? We finished well.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Obviously with that trial on in halftime, we felt that
we had a position and we controlled that well. We
showed clips at halftime around the opportunity that we needed
to get to. We felt good at halftime around where
we needed to be and to continue to drive the
game around the position. So obviously going in there, we
(01:19):
were pretty comfortable around the things that we'd acknowledged where
Scotland would be and the opportunities that were there.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
So then minutes forty to sixty when they came back
into it seventeen or what's your analysis of what happened
in that period.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, I think, and again not going through the clips,
but what it felt like in the stand. Obviously, Scotland
got the momentum, came down the field and they really
did camp us in our area of the field and
they in regards to twenty minutes off our trial line,
they played really good pressure with ball in hands and
then through that pressure, fortunately we responded around some poor
(01:57):
decisions with breakdown and or on the balls resulted really
in the game and those three yellow cards and that's
never going to help us.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Some learnings there.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Started straight away from the kickoff and not regaining that
gave Scotland a bit of belief and then they rode
that home.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
In terms of those yellow cards, Scott, how do you
address those when you do your match review? I know
the game isn't long over, but how do you address
yellow cards in your match reviews?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Oh, you talk about self control, You talk about where
we are within that pressure, what the team really needs
from the individual, and basically we can't put ourselves in
those positions where we're you know, we're playing a Test
match for thirty minutes with only fourteen on the field.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
That won't be good enough and tonight that nearly cost us.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
So some lessons there just acknowledge where we need to
be around it and a lot of that was trust.
Really you look at Wallace, he was trying to do
the right thing, but really getting one hand to the
ball on it needs like that, You've just got to
get two hands to it in that moment.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
So the third part is the last ten minutes which
won you the Test match? What were you seeing out
there in particular from your leaders, your game drivers in
the last ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yes, a fair point. I don't know if it won
us to Test match.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I think when you think about the first half, you
think around the six to two split that Scotland went
to where we had to take them around basically taking
some energy and gets out of their legs, and in
the last ten minutes that really caught up to them.
Leaders coming down the field, you look at that moment
where body Barrett decides to take the opportunity on the
(03:39):
left edge to the shortkick yest.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
It lands and bounces out.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
But that was a moment that brought Scotland up defensively
a couple of players later and our Demax putting it
in the right hand corner. So very brave from our leaders,
good control around our game and some young all blacks
out there through effort and care getting the all backs home.
So I think we can be really proud of is
how they controlled that. But first and foremost what put
(04:05):
us in that position and other lettings we've got to take.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
How on earth did Damien McKenzie get that ball down
in the corner.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
He's pretty special, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I spoke to Jason Holand before and I said, well, Jesus,
if there's in one the world coming off the bench
in those moments, then can show me who that has
Demas been unreal for us around coming off the bench
giving us that energy and also that game understanding, a
special moment around keeping the ball and play lista getting
the offload on the edge, and then this demat.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Doing what he does and being special. So a nice
moment there.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
We decided to hold on to position and build it
through carrying and a good outcome on that left end corner.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Just with him. Then Scott is he now a guy,
you say, right, twenty three is the number on your
back or is he still an option for you in
the starting side.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Now, we'll always put to what we feel for the week.
I just think we're dearmak is around his game and
what he's given us. There this trust and Dearmak around starting.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
He started a couple of.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Weeks ago for us against the Wallabies obviously, So what
I'm acknowledging is what he gives us from the bench
and that special those special moments, but that's also a
massive amount of trust and how he leads us around
the field as a tech when required.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Also, Hardie Savia talked afterwards about a lack of accuracy
at times, which put the team under pressure. Scott, how
do you coach accuracy?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I ain't going to put the minute.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
If you want accuracy, you've got to put the boys
in it. So that's our training week, that's the intensity
that we do.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Accuracy at times.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
You know, you look at the effort around it, you
look at the technique and you're right on the border
for us or you know our forwards the skill sets
they have at the line, our execution.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Can we be better in some moments? Of course, but.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Overall, our athletes and their ability to keep the ball
and use the balls pretty special for us.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
So we're going to continue to do that.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Accuracy comes down to the vigils in those pressure moments.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Can I just ask about one player and that's Peter Larkey.
What are you saying from him and his emergence as
a Test loose forward and in that number eight jersey specifically.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
It's just been so pleasing, isn't it. He's such a
mature young man. He's a great presence around his game.
He's a natural baller. The way he can present himself
onto the ball, how he adjusts the line as a
ball carrier, he's got those in. Some of those qualities
basically they're uncoachable. He's just a beautiful RUGBA player, a
fantastic young man defensively was on the ball, his timing
(06:44):
at the breakdown, his understanding and when and how to
put pressure on the ball tonight we.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Needed that because we needed a discipline from him there.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Didn't always get it right as a team, but Peter's
a young man that continues just to grow his game
each week all.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Right on to the next. Scott Robinson said he's probably
heard enough bagpipes for a while. Other than that, have
you enjoyed your time in Scotland?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Well, you know, what a city to play rugby and
it's traditional rugby. Grand the crowd and support for Scotland
and it was phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
They really did ride them home. It's been a great
week for us here in Edinburgh.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
There's a lot of respect to here for the Scottish
and obviously the love that they're here for the game
here also, so it's been a good week for the boys.
We look forward to getting to England, but grateful for
the opportunity to be here in Scotland and special evening
really it was the one hundredth very emotional night for
them around their game and we were good enough on
(07:40):
the night to get get over the get over the
line in the end, but.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It took a lot of effort less for sure.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Safe travels. Congratulations on the win, Scott, thanks for chatting as.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Always, Thanks Jess, my pleasure, Thank you mate, all.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
The best made Thanks on Daed Scott Henson there out
of the All Blacks camp.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to news Talk ZEDB Weekends from midday or follow the
podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalk zedb Foot.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Voting far past to find a knockerup.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
We said to pick it up in the fence. They
try to pick up they kid. I think he got there,
his name, his money, a miracle play.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
And he scored the try Damien mccadena. Unreal try from
Damien McKenzie. Near the end of that one. All Blacks
twenty five Scotland seventeen. All Black's assistant coach Scott Hansen
joins us. Scott, thanks for your time. I kind of
want to divide this analysis into three parts. The first
part is the first half. So seventeen nil in the
first half, happy enough at half time?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Were you? We went in at halftime? We finished well.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Obviously with that trial on in halftime, we felt that
we had a position and we controlled that well. We
showed clips at halftime around the opportunity that we needed
to get to. We felt good at halftime around where
we needed to be and to continue to drive the
game around the position. So obviously going in there, we
(01:19):
were pretty comfortable around the things that we'd acknowledged where
Scotland would be and the opportunities that were there.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
So then minutes forty to sixty when they came back
into it seventeen or what's your analysis of what happened
in that period.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, I think, and again not going through the clips,
but what it felt like in the stand. Obviously, Scotland
got the momentum, came down the field and they really
did camp us in our area of the field and
they in regards to twenty minutes off our trial line,
they played really good pressure with ball in hands and
then through that pressure, fortunately we responded around some poor
(01:57):
decisions with breakdown and or on the balls resulted really
in the game and those three yellow cards and that's
never going to help us.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Some learnings there.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Started straight away from the kickoff and not regaining that
gave Scotland a bit of belief and then they rode
that home.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
In terms of those yellow cards, Scott, how do you
address those when you do your match review? I know
the game isn't long over, but how do you address
yellow cards in your match reviews?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Oh, you talk about self control, You talk about where
we are within that pressure, what the team really needs
from the individual, and basically we can't put ourselves in
those positions where we're you know, we're playing a Test
match for thirty minutes with only fourteen on the field.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
That won't be good enough and tonight that nearly cost us.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
So some lessons there just acknowledge where we need to
be around it and a lot of that was trust.
Really you look at Wallace, he was trying to do
the right thing, but really getting one hand to the
ball on it needs like that, You've just got to
get two hands to it in that moment.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
So the third part is the last ten minutes which
won you the Test match? What were you seeing out
there in particular from your leaders, your game drivers in
the last ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yes, a fair point. I don't know if it won
us to Test match.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I think when you think about the first half, you
think around the six to two split that Scotland went
to where we had to take them around basically taking
some energy and gets out of their legs, and in
the last ten minutes that really caught up to them.
Leaders coming down the field, you look at that moment
where body Barrett decides to take the opportunity on the
(03:39):
left edge to the shortkick yest.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
It lands and bounces out.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
But that was a moment that brought Scotland up defensively
a couple of players later and our Demax putting it
in the right hand corner. So very brave from our leaders,
good control around our game and some young all blacks
out there through effort and care getting the all backs home.
So I think we can be really proud of is
how they controlled that. But first and foremost what put
(04:05):
us in that position and other lettings we've got to take.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
How on earth did Damien McKenzie get that ball down
in the corner.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
He's pretty special, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I spoke to Jason Holand before and I said, well, Jesus,
if there's in one the world coming off the bench
in those moments, then can show me who that has
Demas been unreal for us around coming off the bench
giving us that energy and also that game understanding, a
special moment around keeping the ball and play lista getting
the offload on the edge, and then this demat.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Doing what he does and being special. So a nice
moment there.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
We decided to hold on to position and build it
through carrying and a good outcome on that left end corner.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Just with him. Then Scott is he now a guy,
you say, right, twenty three is the number on your
back or is he still an option for you in
the starting side.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Now, we'll always put to what we feel for the week.
I just think we're dearmak is around his game and
what he's given us. There this trust and Dearmak around starting.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
He started a couple of.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Weeks ago for us against the Wallabies obviously, So what
I'm acknowledging is what he gives us from the bench
and that special those special moments, but that's also a
massive amount of trust and how he leads us around
the field as a tech when required.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Also, Hardie Savia talked afterwards about a lack of accuracy
at times, which put the team under pressure. Scott, how
do you coach accuracy?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I ain't going to put the minute.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
If you want accuracy, you've got to put the boys
in it. So that's our training week, that's the intensity
that we do.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Accuracy at times.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
You know, you look at the effort around it, you
look at the technique and you're right on the border
for us or you know our forwards the skill sets
they have at the line, our execution.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Can we be better in some moments? Of course, but.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Overall, our athletes and their ability to keep the ball
and use the balls pretty special for us.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
So we're going to continue to do that.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Accuracy comes down to the vigils in those pressure moments.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Can I just ask about one player and that's Peter Larkey.
What are you saying from him and his emergence as
a Test loose forward and in that number eight jersey specifically.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
It's just been so pleasing, isn't it. He's such a
mature young man. He's a great presence around his game.
He's a natural baller. The way he can present himself
onto the ball, how he adjusts the line as a
ball carrier, he's got those in. Some of those qualities
basically they're uncoachable. He's just a beautiful RUGBA player, a
fantastic young man defensively was on the ball, his timing
(06:44):
at the breakdown, his understanding and when and how to
put pressure on the ball tonight we.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Needed that because we needed a discipline from him there.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Didn't always get it right as a team, but Peter's
a young man that continues just to grow his game
each week all.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Right on to the next. Scott Robinson said he's probably
heard enough bagpipes for a while. Other than that, have
you enjoyed your time in Scotland?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Well, you know, what a city to play rugby and
it's traditional rugby. Grand the crowd and support for Scotland
and it was phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
They really did ride them home. It's been a great
week for us here in Edinburgh.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
There's a lot of respect to here for the Scottish
and obviously the love that they're here for the game
here also, so it's been a good week for the boys.
We look forward to getting to England, but grateful for
the opportunity to be here in Scotland and special evening
really it was the one hundredth very emotional night for
them around their game and we were good enough on
(07:40):
the night to get get over the get over the
line in the end, but.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It took a lot of effort less for sure.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Safe travels. Congratulations on the win, Scott, thanks for chatting as.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Always, Thanks Jess, my pleasure, Thank you mate, all.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
The best made Thanks on Daed Scott Henson there out
of the All Blacks camp.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to news Talk ZEDB Weekends from midday or follow the
podcast on iHeartRadio.
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