June 28, 2024 • 34 mins
It's a new era for the All Blacks with Scott 'Razor' Robertson in charge.
He's announced his first squad, Scott Barrett taking over the captaincy from Sam Cane, Jordie Barrett and Ardie Savea sharing the role of deputy.
What's in store for this new era? What will change? How will the All Blacks evolve?
Razor joined Jason Pine for a one hour exclusive, taking calls and answering your burning questions.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talks EDB. You All Blacks coach Scott Robertson
taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
on Weekend Sport with Jason Vine and GJ. Gardner Holmes,
New Zealand's most trusted home builder.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
You saw sev Yes, it is welcome back into the show.
This is Weekend Sport on News Talks VB coming to
your live from the wonderful New Zealand Campus of Innovation
and Sports. Seven past one. I'm Jason Pine. It is
a great pleasure to welcome in the man, who, as
I said before one o'clock many believe, has the biggest
job in New Zealand, not the Prime Minister, but the
coach of the All Black Scott Robertson is here. Nice
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to see you, Raisa.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
How are you good afternoon? Good to be in the
hut and thanks having me on. Jason.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
It's great to have you have you with us. I've
got a bunch of questions. You'll have some as well.
Nine two nine two for the text or eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. Scott's happy to take some of your
calls and questions. You were appointed All Blacks coach on
the twenty first of March twenty twenty three. You finally
got your hands on the squad. How are the four
hundred and sixty six days in between?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Obviously had a few games in between that before you know,
the my last one down with the Crusaders, and spent
the off season painting getting all the selection of the staff.
So excuse me, the coaching group, management group finalized how
we're going to play and then had a whole super
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season to select and what the seasons it's been. You know,
some great name has been put up through their performances,
and you know over that period of time, that year
that you've had, because you know, I've been coaching back
to back to back over a long period of time,
it was good just to sit back and reflect and
make sure you're plan for the biggest year ever. Fourteen tests,
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nine of them away. So it's good to get some
players in front of Heather.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I was going to ask that because how challenging has
it been given the comparison to the last six seven
years or whatever it's been. When you're at the as
the Crusaders coach, you see your players week in week out.
You got a game on the weekend. How challenging has
it been to be patient and wait to get your
hands on your team?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
H Yeah, Look you've because you've gotten for a short
period of time. You've got their ten days before your play.
You've got all these ideas, you've got all these thoughts
how you're going to beat England, But how do you
put it off across simply enough? So you give them enough,
not too much, not too little. You know, that's the
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fine balance and the art of it. So we've got
a lot of experienced players, you know, we've we've talked
to them, We've we've covered up day by day. We've
got to have a check, you know. You've got to
get every day right, not just a ten days, You've
got to get every day right. There's the first time
we focused on how do we own our own areas?
And then the connection piece, you know, and we'll talk
about agencys from out here. This is the perfect pace
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to do it.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, it's a terrific facility in terms of coming up
with your squad. Let's talk a little bit about that.
The first god that you picked, did you come up
with a game plan first and then select the players
to implement that game plan. Or did you look at
the New Zealand Elite rugby landscape and say, Rod, I've
got those guys, here's the plan they might be able
to implement. Which way around was it?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I think it's a combination of both. You know, to
to beat the team in front of you, your ability
to adapt. You know, if you're if you're going to
play really confronting head on game, go through teams or
go around teams, you've got to be able to do both.
And I think that's what we've done over the years.
Seven Wes. You know, got a high skill seat. You know,
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we're physical, you know, can offload in the tackle, we
can go through, we've got a great set piece, we've
got some you know, a really a balanced group. And
then it's how you manage the game and who's in
front of you. We know that you know England style,
they pressure aside, they trom when they are in the
ground on you, and you've got to adapt to that.
You know, you might not give many options opportunities or
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you might get a few, so be ready for both.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
How did you come up with your captain?
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
The first thing for me is I look at that
as the on field captain, you know, the captaincy. Are
they successful as captain? How hard do they work? Are
they respected by the opposition? And obviously I've mentioned before
with Scott's scooter it's easy because if you Scott's scooter
is that he's all of those. We've got a great
relationship and he's the man.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, did you allow him? I think I heard you say,
but did you allow him to select his vice captains
or did you have a hand in that as well? Oh? No,
for sure.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
You know, I gave him a plenty of time to
think about the role, and he talked to Smiley as
you do if you're a Barrett. Yep, God bless the
Barretts and the you know, he went through the process
and he's a deep thinker, and he, you know, was
when he came back, he was extremely he grateful for
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the opportunity to humbled and ready to go. You know
that the period and time and the captain seeing the
success he had where the Crusaders was a great opportunity
from the step up and where is it in his age?
You ready?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I feel like if you're asked to be the all
Blacks captain, you just say yes straight away? Or is
that not the case, because clearly he went away and
thought long and hard about it. Did you ever think
he might say no?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I just know how he works. I think if you
have said no straight away that it'll be different. Like
he was noting when he asked me, when I asked
him sorry, and we had the conversation and he goes, yep, yep,
I've just got to talk to a couple of people
when he did. That's just the way he works. People
are different.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
And how conscious did you have to be when selecting
the team of your association with the Crusaders and making
sure that there was no suggestion that you were just
picking guys so you had a great knowledge of from
time at the Crusaders. Did that come into your mind
at all?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Well, I'm picking the best players, you know. I think
that's the key thing. Whatever duties, they're wearing, the best
plats for that position in our country. Obviously he's going
to be combinations and the you know, experience, and but
there was my mindset pick the best player. You know,
we've got a really good balanced squad and you know,
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you always have people challenge your thoughts. You know, the
way we set it up with our selection and our criteria,
with the selection, with the coaching staff doing it, and
some of the head a customer iron it when you
need to, and we had discussions. So look, I think
it's really really balanced. And I think if you're a
coach and you've coached a team, it's naturally people ask
that question, isn't it. The last coach probably had the
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same question as the last coach, the same question, so
that you're doing your job well.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I guess because I think people just assume and I'm
sure it's the case that you have got a deeper
relationship with so you've guided for nearly a decade in
black and red, you know what makes them tick, you
know what they're capable of. So I guess it would
be natural in any ways to say, you know what,
I know what that guy's about. I'm not quite sure
about that guy. If it's a flip of the corn,
you take the guy you know, don't you.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, But I suppose you've been an unconscious bias or
is a natural bias towards people you know, and you've
had desist and trust but still gonna be earned. I
think that's the first thing, you know, and you said
with a squad that we've picked these it's been earned.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
And what about guys who you've worked with and had
a long relationship with. In fact, I'll give you a
specific example, David HARVILLI leaving him out of this squad.
How difficult a conversation was that?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Just an honest one, really clear what he needs to do,
you know, to get into the squad. And while we've
done it, so that was as simple as that. Look,
he appreciates it because you're honest with people for a
long period of time, you build that trust and he
acknowledged it. You know, you probably hadn't put himself in
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a position to be in that for And there's a players,
a couple of parers playing great footy and that's how
hard it is with the All Blacks?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Why didn't you select Hoskins situtu.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Uh? As I've said before, it's important I understanding and
repeat and what I've said.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Before, just pretend it's for the first time.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Look Test football, it's very very physical with the ball
and without the ball, and it's especially with the loose forwards.
It's the ability to to influence on both sides. You know,
the PreCure cycles that you're on, the ability to you know,
be tackling for long periods of time. Your work right
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off the ball is really really important. So there's conversations
I've had and we've put players that we believe can
achieve that.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Is it fair to say that Ardie Save is likely
to be the starting number eight and therefore anybody else
in the number eight position is naturally going to be
a bit of a backup anyway, Well.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
He will play the Yeah, start there, you can play footy. Yeah,
he's a great, great influence, great leader, Like he's awesome
around the environment. And look here, tally likely he's going
to he's going to start in the team and you know,
like what he did the World Cup and he's don't know,
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your last few years of influence on off the field
is very critical.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Tell us about the brief that you gave to each
of your assistant coaches around selection. I spoke to Jason
Holland on the radio at the beginning of the week,
just after the team was naming. I got the midfield backs,
Scott Hanson got you half backs and first flights. You
still had the power to veto though presumably.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, that's what that's why you're the head coach. Here goes.
If things don't go well on you, you get the
opportunity to make the calls. And it's going to be
always a debate along the way. In lock ninety percent
of them were we agreed, and it's like most things,
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it says the last couple that you go deep on
and then if you have to make a call, you do.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
You've got Rugby Championship and then the end of your tour.
How many guys you reckon you'll need this year?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Forty Yeah, on average, we looked at the numbers. There's
somewhere between sort of forty maybe to forty four if
fits a little bit more difficult, but so there's going
to be opportunities. You know, there's the squad's going to
be in three different squads this year. We're we're going
on an incredible end of the year tour as you know,
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and these an AB's fifteen as well. So there's a
lot of selections or opportunities for people to play and
get themselves in a black jersey.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
How do you assess the depth of I'll give you
a couple of positions, Locke. We lost Sam white Lock,
Brody Retelling. We almost lost Patrick two a lot of
but incredibly as powers of a recovery were beyond what
any of us imagined. ADI was the sl at lock forward.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
It's interesting when you do like two in a row,
like two at the same time, sorry, the highest quality you.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Do.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Look and reflect and obviously with Petty coming in for
the odd tests, you've got scooters on sixty odd and
you've you know the Josh Lord's been injured the majority
of the year and test locks are big, they're beg,
they're tor men or they're extremely mobile and you look
at the Irish a second row, just the incredible mobility
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of it. So look this one area like in the
obviously with Petty coming back, made a massive difference for us.
But you know, we've got a merging merging place program
that we tag in with, you know, looking at them
on and off field. We're trying to fast track them
as possibly can to make sure they come through and
get the size on they get the aerial schools that
required a lot of them. You know, tor men take time,
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they're a little bit longer than others. You know, they
can develop blade you know, Sam Dary's in with us.
You know he's said, as Sam White, I've got good
feet work, footwork, he's got a great engine. So him
just being in this week and being around in his
injurycovery is you know, he'll just grow and he'll come quick.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
And by comparison, there seems to be any number of
loose forward you could have chosen. Yeah, their opposition of us.
Love watching all the six, sevens and eight running around.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Are you oh, the quality of the depth, the different
skill set, you know, your trademarks have got, you know,
things that they go back to their strengths, you know,
under the head of the game. And you know, like
like I as a prime example, what a season, breakout
season for him, both break great, both sides of the ball,
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so quick in the line out. But to pay seven,
eight and two positions. And that's a great thing about
the loose food ward group that we've got here. They
all can play two positions, you know, especially if you're
going to be on the bench, if you're going to
come off the bench, you've got to play a couple
or three.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Are you do you think the data of the lock
loose forward utility you're gone or is that still a thing.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Look, I think Shennon Frazel was on a prime example
of that. Simmer Penny female can can do it all
the other way around. You know, can go to six
if required, which has done many times just because you're
you're locking stock. So yeah, look you've got still got
hybrid players. You've got players you can play in a
couple of positions. Look at the South everrying and you
can go number eight hooker. And I think it's really
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critical as you get closer to World Cup cycles, you're
you know, you're thirty three, that you're picking the versatility
and the ability to play two or three positions. We'll
get you in the squad.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
You mentioned the World Cup there and I had that
written down. How much of what you do in twenty
twenty four is with an eye to the next Rugby
World Cup in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Look, I think the importance of the de beat Jersey
is you winning develop There's a little bit of expectation
that comes with that and I'm well aware of that,
and so it's important the win the test bats in
front of you, but grow people give them opportunities, get
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them in combinations and so they over you set them
up to succeed over the next four years. Try them.
Are they test for ballers? Can they handle it? Can
you the weeks have big, the expectations high, the pressures
are and we get them ready for it, and then
the opportunities for them when we find out and in
some people surprise you.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
What about guys who you aren't sure will make it
to twenty twenty seven? You know, they're in their thirties
and there is some guys in your squad with you know,
a lot of experience, who might Who is everybody who's
been picked this week? Do you think that they'll be
eligible or available in twenty twenty seven?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
All going well, it's a good question without going through
the food od that we're here. Off the top of
my mind, Oh look, it's amazing how old you can get,
you know, no joint injuries in your career, the longevity
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can get after looking after your body, the you know,
the sports science, the recovery is incredible and like they're
playing good Arabian like look at look at the South
African team. They had a lot of goal older mature
players that had great leadership and in the last all
back squad that went over you know, it's still playing
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good foot den look at us Dane culture to look
at his you know, contribution on and off the field,
So you need them for sure. Look I can't answer
right now four years out, but I'm sure there are
in any way.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Just a couple of more if you take a break,
how much of what was so successful for you at
the Crusaders is transferable into the all blacks environment, all.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
The culture and leadership stuff and like on field coaching.
That's how I sort of break it up those three areas.
You've got to get your game right along with your
leadership how they how do they drive the team on
and off the field. And then also the cultural but
you know which identity, who you are, where you're playing for,
what do you care about? Any involves in responsibilities and
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then there comes with the cultural the people side of it.
So a lot of that transference comes along. And it's
a black jersey. We're taking it to a whole country now.
You know, we've got a great responsibility that we've been
given by you know, our ancestors and the people that
have played in our juwsey before and all the fans
that have been with us along along the way. So
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it's just a lot bigger.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
If I'm just trying to think of the right way
to ask this question. But if someone looked down from
above and wasn't able to see whether you were the
Crusaders coach of the All Blacks coach, well they notice
a difference. I do you think you'll be different in
an All Blacks environment than you were in the Crusader's environment.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Well, I think they probably will be. I think they
probably will be. Like I'm interested to know how though.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Look on I'm still the same person. I'm not going
to you know, the the energy I bring every day
and the enjoyment of it. And you know that we
just hit a couple of hours training and I'm walking
around observing chipping when I need to, giving a little
bit of feedback to the coaches to just using my eye.
But because of you know, the on field and off
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field stuff. You know, we've got a commercial manager now
and a rugby manager. You know, we've got two CEOs
in our organization. There's a couple of hundred staff. So
it's a bigger to give you a context. You know,
I don't know five seven lawyers. You know, we've got
it's a big so you need incredible coaching group around
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you and incredible management and they have to be world leading.
They truly do so. You know, I do my thing,
but you have to give ownership and trust to so
many people to go and and own their role and
make the place, will get the post prepared for you
to be the best they can.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Last question before the break is around how big it
is and how little time you have? How do you
work out the best use each day and each hour?
I mean you've given us an hour. This is incredible.
I know you're so busy, but how do you work
out the best use of every hour in your day?
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Look, you've got to have time for people. It's number one.
And you've got to get your planning done early, and
then it's getting getting time in front, eyes on, eyes
around the opportunities when you're eating their connection piece on
and off, being a steppy head looking not what that
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day is, but the next week is in a couple
of weeks. You know, when you start getting into the
NBC and you've got guys paying, you're looking at the
schedule for the NPC, You've got all the injured guys
that are coming back and forward. You know, you're starting
to work with Clayton McMillan around eight or backs fifteen,
you're starting to share, so there's a lot of big
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picture stuff that comes along with it, and I love it.
I really enjoy it. I love forecasting being ahead. Not
just like I said, from now until the end of
the year.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Our guest at the New Zealand Campus Innovation and Sport,
of course, is one thirty on news talks there. But
you got another fifteen minutes or so with Scott Robertson here.
Let's go to the phones and get some questions from
our audience. Stuart, your question for us, Scott Robertson.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Oh, thanks, thanks, gentlemen for the opportunity, coach. I know
it's not a good thing to jump ahead to future
test matches. I'm just thinking about the Rugby Championship and
the two test matches coming up in South Africa. I
noted that the South Africans employed a situation where they
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had eight forwards in the reserves. I think they called
it like an eight mild split. And it occurs to
me that you could almost with a big forward, you
could almost have two lots of forwards in an eighty
minute test match. I know it's the gamble, but do
you do you fear something like that or do you
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see some merit in an eight yal split?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Sir, good question, Thanks Stuart, thanks for calling. And it's
an eight. I'm not sure about eight. Sometimes it's seven,
seven one or sixties split, but this an whole four pack.
Jason one wants next. I just say that he'll probably
employ it. But look, I think especially in Said Africa,
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that's this is strength. You know, they've the impact that
they can bring on personally. If he lose it back early,
it makes things a little bit difficult. You're going to
lose wood on the wing potentially. But I look, let's
just talk about the trip to South Africa. It's a
hell of an opportunity and a hell of a test
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for us to go to Joe get down the Cape
down were men he cape down for seven eight years
like us playing down there. So to open that up
and you know a lot of Kiwis are coming over
because it's special. You know, that's the special part. Those
are getting up in the middle of the night memories,
aren't they from a young kid to watch them great
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heroes of ourselves all bi stalk come from behind, big
long drop kicks. We've had everything over there, so it's
going to be a special couple of weeks for us.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, brilliant, Thank you, Stuar. I appreciate it. You've got
a question for Scott Robertson about his name I think
or his nickname.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Yes I have, but before I start, could I please
just congratulate Scott on his lovely doco on TV at
the moment called Razor, and I've been watching it. I
think his next career might be in TV. Just before
I start. Ninety four years of age, and I've been
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watching the Canterbury team ever since. Well I can't remember
when Robin Dianes was playing full back then and etc.
But I've always followed the Crusaders. Absolutely love them and
congratulations when you had them, and I hope you're as
successful as the All Blacks. Now, the question I was
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going to ask you is how you got the name Razor?
And the other one is do you get annoy amount
of people and they're so called in the media as well,
you keep calling you Robinson.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Like you're right on. Yeah, look doc here it was
done a wall back and I think people appreciate off.
I actually can't watch you. I can't watch myself do
that sort of stuff. So I'm glad people enjoying, so
thank you. And I look the nickname, well, it's a
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long story. Somebody else gave me another nickname, WHICHAID didn't like,
so I gave myself my one, which is stuck. Fortunately.
And what happened was we had a guy David Knox
and pet Pat Howard did I want to cut for
the Brumbies. It was nineteen ninety six. The Crusades were
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playing at links the Park then and I threw my
shoulder and cut him and half like it was a
good tackle. It was a Brillian pierceon and I got
off and just the shoulder off and one of the
boys said what are you doing And I said, you know,
just dusting off the blade and it's what do you mean?
And I said, oh, you know, they'll razor bow cut
himing half and through a little bit of branding a
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lot a lot, you know, a bit of a song
and the dad's stuck. So he's the story.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I love it. Thank you Fai for your for your
call and your lovely words as well. Let's go to
pick Pete. What's your question for for your Blacks coach.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
He did, Hey, I was just wondering what he sees
as the makeup for the half back first five combination
with Cortis Radama and d mek or does.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
He see body at fallback or Stephen going to start there?
But the makeup there I think is really Pisa played
together during the during the season and they know each
other really well, and I think d mack will just
keep him calm while he is here. If he does,
he this chance not to say that Fin's is great,
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but are you looking at combinations here or is it
going to be something else depending on the makeup of
the English team.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
You thinks, Pete, Can I ask you a question you from?
Was he from?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
No? Not?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Actually Okay, wherever you go, everyone's a selected the whole local.
But yeah, a good question. Obviously Tuesday will definitely find out.
But you do look at combinations and someone like a Courtizatma,
who's wants to Taku Balow. He's a competity, works so
hard off the ball, is inside running, he's graded his craft.
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Look Scoot hands and you know he's been working with
you know him from Afar all the half back to
around New Zealand and like he's really really impressed in
that combination with d mac as important. Look, I think
and Arra is playing some for they at the moment
come back off a injury like that at that highest level,
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just put some perspective what an athlete in the person
he is. So look, we've got some choices to make
there and we'll see a Tuesday with a it's the selection.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Pete good man, Pete, thanks for your question. Let's move on. David.
You've got a question for the raiser.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
Yeah, what's happened to the drop check?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
What is happened to the drop kick? David wants to know?
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Razor jeez, good question the drop kick? Are we going
to practice one in the next couple of days now
after you just mentioned that, Oh look there's a time
and place for it. Obviously England had been good at
anyt know they look, they want to World Cup game
off the back of it. You've got to have it there,
You've got you've got to put it in your bank
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and to make sure it's three points. It's it's just
it's like you do with a penalty. So look, we've won,
we've won games on it before, so yep, it's on
the list.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Rest assured David. The drop kick is there? Are tim
your question for Razor?
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Hey, I'm just wondering what was the reasoning behind only
picking three specialized locks?
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Good.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I look with the squad of thirty two and the
simmer Penny female that can cover lock and just the
injuries at that time, we felt that was our best mix.
And because we can bring an injury cover, he brought
a young guy in like like I said, Dary, so
it gave herself fourth and that that was the reason
behind it. And also we've got some quality loose Fords
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as well, so we've got the next one coming through
and some three experienced second roles.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Let's go to uh, Tony, what's your question Tony?
Speaker 4 (27:23):
If I Scotty, what do you say to your team
when they don't follow instructions?
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Who are you talking about? Here? Is this? You said
you see someone else in the households.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
May or maybe the All Blacks?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah, okay, we have to repect obviously if if if
you have, if they're not they're not delivering, it's either
you you look at yourself first. I think it's the first.
But how a you're delivering the message? Why isn't it
getting across? And then probably the big thing is check
for clarity and understanding and if it doesn't still keep working,
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just give them an opportunity somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Thanks for call, Tony. Let's go to Mark. What have
you got as a question?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Mark?
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Good afternoon? Our first all, congratulations Rasor on your appointment,
and congratulations for picking TJ. Jason's already asked one of
the questions for me, I'm I'm blue supporter, O.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
What does Hoskin really have to do to get in?
And the other one in a lesson note? Maybe is
Rick Telly?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
All right? Hoskins are two too? And Ricky Rickattelly both
missed the cut this time? Do they are they in
the picture still?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yeah? Look, Costkin, because you and I had the conversation.
I talked them through the year and I showed him
what was required, so you know, you would talk about
individual conversations on the radio. But so he knows. Of course,
he's an opportunity to get back. And I mentioned a
lot before around the areas the what areas in rickit Telly? Yeah,
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look he was, he was in the conversation. Looked at
him closely. Look our coach them through twenties nine personally
and which you we just believe these three hockeys are
the beast for us moving forward.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
All right, and one final question on the phones another Mark, Hi, Mark, Hey.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
Fin raise it.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Yeah, just a general question.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
What does what does success gook like at the end
of raisers reign as all black coach, Oh.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Cured, It's like a good job interview. The good question.
Success looks like we've we've got a team that can
adapt and when the test met in front of them,
great depth in their squad, so guys can come in
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and out and play different positions as we travel around
the world. That's what success looks like for us.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Good on your Mark, Thanks for your question. Thanks for
all your questions. I've got a couple more before we
knock it on the head. You've got other places to
be Raiser, keep spin and camp. I saw a photo
of been Paul Williams Paul Williams as well, So what's
there strategy or the restional behind that?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, it's great. It's important like they adjudicate the game,
don't they. So you need to be connected. You understand
what the rulings are, the interpretation because we've got laws,
as they call it, interpretation of laws, and that sometimes
can be frustrating for people and for us. So we're
trying to make as clear as possible as we possibly
can they give us, keep us consistently updated. Look at
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the reef that we've got in front of them. What
is his personality? How does he ref and he gets
on field with us, you know, du Kate, we have
some tough training, you know, physical training, so he gets
a whistle in his hand as well.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
How much scrutiny do you expect in this role.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
As much as any other well black.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Coach compared compared to the scrutiny you receive this Crusaders coach?
How how elevated?
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Is it.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Obviously extremely elevated? You know the expectation is on mentioned
before as high the responsibility of the role. It's something
I've prepared myself as for the last eleven years as
a head coach. You know, I've set myself up like
a player. Does you know you spend trying to as
many experience as you can. You know, from coaching my
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club side to my NBC side to super side, it's
naturally the progression and up and all those experiences help you,
you know, to deal with the scrutiny. The biggest thing
is I got to know who I am, who I
need around me, and then there's an element I'm going
to enjoy it, but I've got I've just got to
own it as well. Then that's the biggest thing. If
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it works or doesn't.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Do you have a close in a circle of people outside.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Of rugby, yep, yep. I've got two or three people
that I talk as mentors for the rugby side of
it and one or two on the outside of it.
You know, what do they see? How's the messaging? How
am I coming up cross.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
To?
Speaker 3 (32:09):
You know on field? Like I was talking about my
own personal dshapalia myself and and also just someone to
put a bit of perspective on life, because you know
it's going to come in some capacity and it's always
good to talk. That's how I work. I need to
talk through it with somebody and it just clears and
kiss me.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
And in terms of the guidance you take. So there
are certain people who I mean, everyone's got an opinion,
as you know.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah, and it's a beautiful thing. I think we need that.
You've got to embrace that. People like people, you know,
selecting rictellies and they're selecting courties right. Awesome. When you
lose that, there's the essence of what New Zerobi is about.
That's the DNA, the connection that people have got an opinion,
that connection to our beautiful black juicy and that and
that sits us on the wall stage.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
You excited?
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yeah, like I'm looking forward to it, like you know,
the motions go you sort of. I'm really big folkus
on getting the week right so I can enjoy that,
so we can appear someone. A lot of my focus
goes on to the preparation, not so much the outcome,
and that's cloche cliche. And once I get the process right,
I can enjoy them much more. All right.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Just to finish this facility? Yeah, how cool.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Ain't Yeah? Look Kevin and Malcolm who who had the
vision to bring this alive. That's pretty incredible. A lot
of people have visions and putting into action and it's
still grow. You know, the Hut's thriving out here. It's
been much time before out here, but it's at works.
You know, it's two minutes to everywhere. It feels like home.
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The food, you know, the bedrooms, the green room and
guess what it was the greatest date everyone Wellington this
morning it was bar me. It was like twenty degrees
and then it rained as we're walking off the fields,
so perfect timing.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
All right, missus for the fans. Finally missus for the fans.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Look, yeah, I'll catch prage for everything is together. We
walk and we want to do this together. We want
to bring everyone together in just like the opportunity people
walked towards it embraced the challenges ahead. This will anti
sisted and that's what we'll do and we'll go and
have some fun.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Fantastic Rosa. Thanks for taking the time. It's been entertaining, instructional, educational,
and you've got somewhere else to be. Thanks for taking
the time to join us this after no cheers Briny.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Thanks everyone.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Scott Robinson or Black's coach.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
You saw sev Yes, it is welcome back into the show.
This is Weekend Sport on News Talks VB coming to
your live from the wonderful New Zealand Campus of Innovation
and Sports. Seven past one. I'm Jason Pine. It is
a great pleasure to welcome in the man, who, as
I said before one o'clock many believe, has the biggest
job in New Zealand, not the Prime Minister, but the
coach of the All Black Scott Robertson is here. Nice
(00:49):
to see you, Raisa.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
How are you good afternoon? Good to be in the
hut and thanks having me on. Jason.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
It's great to have you have you with us. I've
got a bunch of questions. You'll have some as well.
Nine two nine two for the text or eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. Scott's happy to take some of your
calls and questions. You were appointed All Blacks coach on
the twenty first of March twenty twenty three. You finally
got your hands on the squad. How are the four
hundred and sixty six days in between?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Obviously had a few games in between that before you know,
the my last one down with the Crusaders, and spent
the off season painting getting all the selection of the staff.
So excuse me, the coaching group, management group finalized how
we're going to play and then had a whole super
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season to select and what the seasons it's been. You know,
some great name has been put up through their performances,
and you know over that period of time, that year
that you've had, because you know, I've been coaching back
to back to back over a long period of time,
it was good just to sit back and reflect and
make sure you're plan for the biggest year ever. Fourteen tests,
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nine of them away. So it's good to get some
players in front of Heather.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I was going to ask that because how challenging has
it been given the comparison to the last six seven
years or whatever it's been. When you're at the as
the Crusaders coach, you see your players week in week out.
You got a game on the weekend. How challenging has
it been to be patient and wait to get your
hands on your team?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
H Yeah, Look you've because you've gotten for a short
period of time. You've got their ten days before your play.
You've got all these ideas, you've got all these thoughts
how you're going to beat England, But how do you
put it off across simply enough? So you give them enough,
not too much, not too little. You know, that's the
(02:37):
fine balance and the art of it. So we've got
a lot of experienced players, you know, we've we've talked
to them, We've we've covered up day by day. We've
got to have a check, you know. You've got to
get every day right, not just a ten days, You've
got to get every day right. There's the first time
we focused on how do we own our own areas?
And then the connection piece, you know, and we'll talk
about agencys from out here. This is the perfect pace
(03:00):
to do it.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, it's a terrific facility in terms of coming up
with your squad. Let's talk a little bit about that.
The first god that you picked, did you come up
with a game plan first and then select the players
to implement that game plan. Or did you look at
the New Zealand Elite rugby landscape and say, Rod, I've
got those guys, here's the plan they might be able
to implement. Which way around was it?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I think it's a combination of both. You know, to
to beat the team in front of you, your ability
to adapt. You know, if you're if you're going to
play really confronting head on game, go through teams or
go around teams, you've got to be able to do both.
And I think that's what we've done over the years.
Seven Wes. You know, got a high skill seat. You know,
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we're physical, you know, can offload in the tackle, we
can go through, we've got a great set piece, we've
got some you know, a really a balanced group. And
then it's how you manage the game and who's in
front of you. We know that you know England style,
they pressure aside, they trom when they are in the
ground on you, and you've got to adapt to that.
You know, you might not give many options opportunities or
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you might get a few, so be ready for both.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
How did you come up with your captain?
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
The first thing for me is I look at that
as the on field captain, you know, the captaincy. Are
they successful as captain? How hard do they work? Are
they respected by the opposition? And obviously I've mentioned before
with Scott's scooter it's easy because if you Scott's scooter
is that he's all of those. We've got a great
relationship and he's the man.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, did you allow him? I think I heard you say,
but did you allow him to select his vice captains
or did you have a hand in that as well? Oh? No,
for sure.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
You know, I gave him a plenty of time to
think about the role, and he talked to Smiley as
you do if you're a Barrett. Yep, God bless the
Barretts and the you know, he went through the process
and he's a deep thinker, and he, you know, was
when he came back, he was extremely he grateful for
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the opportunity to humbled and ready to go. You know
that the period and time and the captain seeing the
success he had where the Crusaders was a great opportunity
from the step up and where is it in his age?
You ready?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I feel like if you're asked to be the all
Blacks captain, you just say yes straight away? Or is
that not the case, because clearly he went away and
thought long and hard about it. Did you ever think
he might say no?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I just know how he works. I think if you
have said no straight away that it'll be different. Like
he was noting when he asked me, when I asked
him sorry, and we had the conversation and he goes, yep, yep,
I've just got to talk to a couple of people
when he did. That's just the way he works. People
are different.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
And how conscious did you have to be when selecting
the team of your association with the Crusaders and making
sure that there was no suggestion that you were just
picking guys so you had a great knowledge of from
time at the Crusaders. Did that come into your mind
at all?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Well, I'm picking the best players, you know. I think
that's the key thing. Whatever duties, they're wearing, the best
plats for that position in our country. Obviously he's going
to be combinations and the you know, experience, and but
there was my mindset pick the best player. You know,
we've got a really good balanced squad and you know,
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you always have people challenge your thoughts. You know, the
way we set it up with our selection and our criteria,
with the selection, with the coaching staff doing it, and
some of the head a customer iron it when you
need to, and we had discussions. So look, I think
it's really really balanced. And I think if you're a
coach and you've coached a team, it's naturally people ask
that question, isn't it. The last coach probably had the
(06:53):
same question as the last coach, the same question, so
that you're doing your job well.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I guess because I think people just assume and I'm
sure it's the case that you have got a deeper
relationship with so you've guided for nearly a decade in
black and red, you know what makes them tick, you
know what they're capable of. So I guess it would
be natural in any ways to say, you know what,
I know what that guy's about. I'm not quite sure
about that guy. If it's a flip of the corn,
you take the guy you know, don't you.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, But I suppose you've been an unconscious bias or
is a natural bias towards people you know, and you've
had desist and trust but still gonna be earned. I
think that's the first thing, you know, and you said
with a squad that we've picked these it's been earned.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
And what about guys who you've worked with and had
a long relationship with. In fact, I'll give you a
specific example, David HARVILLI leaving him out of this squad.
How difficult a conversation was that?
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Just an honest one, really clear what he needs to do,
you know, to get into the squad. And while we've
done it, so that was as simple as that. Look,
he appreciates it because you're honest with people for a
long period of time, you build that trust and he
acknowledged it. You know, you probably hadn't put himself in
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a position to be in that for And there's a players,
a couple of parers playing great footy and that's how
hard it is with the All Blacks?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Why didn't you select Hoskins situtu.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Uh? As I've said before, it's important I understanding and
repeat and what I've said.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Before, just pretend it's for the first time.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Look Test football, it's very very physical with the ball
and without the ball, and it's especially with the loose forwards.
It's the ability to to influence on both sides. You know,
the PreCure cycles that you're on, the ability to you know,
be tackling for long periods of time. Your work right
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off the ball is really really important. So there's conversations
I've had and we've put players that we believe can
achieve that.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Is it fair to say that Ardie Save is likely
to be the starting number eight and therefore anybody else
in the number eight position is naturally going to be
a bit of a backup anyway, Well.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
He will play the Yeah, start there, you can play footy. Yeah,
he's a great, great influence, great leader, Like he's awesome
around the environment. And look here, tally likely he's going
to he's going to start in the team and you know,
like what he did the World Cup and he's don't know,
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your last few years of influence on off the field
is very critical.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Tell us about the brief that you gave to each
of your assistant coaches around selection. I spoke to Jason
Holland on the radio at the beginning of the week,
just after the team was naming. I got the midfield backs,
Scott Hanson got you half backs and first flights. You
still had the power to veto though presumably.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, that's what that's why you're the head coach. Here goes.
If things don't go well on you, you get the
opportunity to make the calls. And it's going to be
always a debate along the way. In lock ninety percent
of them were we agreed, and it's like most things,
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it says the last couple that you go deep on
and then if you have to make a call, you do.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
You've got Rugby Championship and then the end of your tour.
How many guys you reckon you'll need this year?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Forty Yeah, on average, we looked at the numbers. There's
somewhere between sort of forty maybe to forty four if
fits a little bit more difficult, but so there's going
to be opportunities. You know, there's the squad's going to
be in three different squads this year. We're we're going
on an incredible end of the year tour as you know,
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and these an AB's fifteen as well. So there's a
lot of selections or opportunities for people to play and
get themselves in a black jersey.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
How do you assess the depth of I'll give you
a couple of positions, Locke. We lost Sam white Lock,
Brody Retelling. We almost lost Patrick two a lot of
but incredibly as powers of a recovery were beyond what
any of us imagined. ADI was the sl at lock forward.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
It's interesting when you do like two in a row,
like two at the same time, sorry, the highest quality you.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Do.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Look and reflect and obviously with Petty coming in for
the odd tests, you've got scooters on sixty odd and
you've you know the Josh Lord's been injured the majority
of the year and test locks are big, they're beg,
they're tor men or they're extremely mobile and you look
at the Irish a second row, just the incredible mobility
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of it. So look this one area like in the
obviously with Petty coming back, made a massive difference for us.
But you know, we've got a merging merging place program
that we tag in with, you know, looking at them
on and off field. We're trying to fast track them
as possibly can to make sure they come through and
get the size on they get the aerial schools that
required a lot of them. You know, tor men take time,
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they're a little bit longer than others. You know, they
can develop blade you know, Sam Dary's in with us.
You know he's said, as Sam White, I've got good
feet work, footwork, he's got a great engine. So him
just being in this week and being around in his
injurycovery is you know, he'll just grow and he'll come quick.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
And by comparison, there seems to be any number of
loose forward you could have chosen. Yeah, their opposition of us.
Love watching all the six, sevens and eight running around.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Are you oh, the quality of the depth, the different
skill set, you know, your trademarks have got, you know,
things that they go back to their strengths, you know,
under the head of the game. And you know, like
like I as a prime example, what a season, breakout
season for him, both break great, both sides of the ball,
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so quick in the line out. But to pay seven,
eight and two positions. And that's a great thing about
the loose food ward group that we've got here. They
all can play two positions, you know, especially if you're
going to be on the bench, if you're going to
come off the bench, you've got to play a couple
or three.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Are you do you think the data of the lock
loose forward utility you're gone or is that still a thing.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Look, I think Shennon Frazel was on a prime example
of that. Simmer Penny female can can do it all
the other way around. You know, can go to six
if required, which has done many times just because you're
you're locking stock. So yeah, look you've got still got
hybrid players. You've got players you can play in a
couple of positions. Look at the South everrying and you
can go number eight hooker. And I think it's really
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critical as you get closer to World Cup cycles, you're
you know, you're thirty three, that you're picking the versatility
and the ability to play two or three positions. We'll
get you in the squad.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
You mentioned the World Cup there and I had that
written down. How much of what you do in twenty
twenty four is with an eye to the next Rugby
World Cup in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Look, I think the importance of the de beat Jersey
is you winning develop There's a little bit of expectation
that comes with that and I'm well aware of that,
and so it's important the win the test bats in
front of you, but grow people give them opportunities, get
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them in combinations and so they over you set them
up to succeed over the next four years. Try them.
Are they test for ballers? Can they handle it? Can
you the weeks have big, the expectations high, the pressures
are and we get them ready for it, and then
the opportunities for them when we find out and in
some people surprise you.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
What about guys who you aren't sure will make it
to twenty twenty seven? You know, they're in their thirties
and there is some guys in your squad with you know,
a lot of experience, who might Who is everybody who's
been picked this week? Do you think that they'll be
eligible or available in twenty twenty seven?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
All going well, it's a good question without going through
the food od that we're here. Off the top of
my mind, Oh look, it's amazing how old you can get,
you know, no joint injuries in your career, the longevity
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can get after looking after your body, the you know,
the sports science, the recovery is incredible and like they're
playing good Arabian like look at look at the South
African team. They had a lot of goal older mature
players that had great leadership and in the last all
back squad that went over you know, it's still playing
(15:44):
good foot den look at us Dane culture to look
at his you know, contribution on and off the field,
So you need them for sure. Look I can't answer
right now four years out, but I'm sure there are
in any way.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Just a couple of more if you take a break,
how much of what was so successful for you at
the Crusaders is transferable into the all blacks environment, all.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
The culture and leadership stuff and like on field coaching.
That's how I sort of break it up those three areas.
You've got to get your game right along with your
leadership how they how do they drive the team on
and off the field. And then also the cultural but
you know which identity, who you are, where you're playing for,
what do you care about? Any involves in responsibilities and
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then there comes with the cultural the people side of it.
So a lot of that transference comes along. And it's
a black jersey. We're taking it to a whole country now.
You know, we've got a great responsibility that we've been
given by you know, our ancestors and the people that
have played in our juwsey before and all the fans
that have been with us along along the way. So
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it's just a lot bigger.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
If I'm just trying to think of the right way
to ask this question. But if someone looked down from
above and wasn't able to see whether you were the
Crusaders coach of the All Blacks coach, well they notice
a difference. I do you think you'll be different in
an All Blacks environment than you were in the Crusader's environment.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Well, I think they probably will be. I think they
probably will be. Like I'm interested to know how though.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Look on I'm still the same person. I'm not going
to you know, the the energy I bring every day
and the enjoyment of it. And you know that we
just hit a couple of hours training and I'm walking
around observing chipping when I need to, giving a little
bit of feedback to the coaches to just using my eye.
But because of you know, the on field and off
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field stuff. You know, we've got a commercial manager now
and a rugby manager. You know, we've got two CEOs
in our organization. There's a couple of hundred staff. So
it's a bigger to give you a context. You know,
I don't know five seven lawyers. You know, we've got
it's a big so you need incredible coaching group around
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you and incredible management and they have to be world leading.
They truly do so. You know, I do my thing,
but you have to give ownership and trust to so
many people to go and and own their role and
make the place, will get the post prepared for you
to be the best they can.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Last question before the break is around how big it
is and how little time you have? How do you
work out the best use each day and each hour?
I mean you've given us an hour. This is incredible.
I know you're so busy, but how do you work
out the best use of every hour in your day?
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Look, you've got to have time for people. It's number one.
And you've got to get your planning done early, and
then it's getting getting time in front, eyes on, eyes
around the opportunities when you're eating their connection piece on
and off, being a steppy head looking not what that
(18:58):
day is, but the next week is in a couple
of weeks. You know, when you start getting into the
NBC and you've got guys paying, you're looking at the
schedule for the NPC, You've got all the injured guys
that are coming back and forward. You know, you're starting
to work with Clayton McMillan around eight or backs fifteen,
you're starting to share, so there's a lot of big
(19:19):
picture stuff that comes along with it, and I love it.
I really enjoy it. I love forecasting being ahead. Not
just like I said, from now until the end of
the year.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Our guest at the New Zealand Campus Innovation and Sport,
of course, is one thirty on news talks there. But
you got another fifteen minutes or so with Scott Robertson here.
Let's go to the phones and get some questions from
our audience. Stuart, your question for us, Scott Robertson.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Oh, thanks, thanks, gentlemen for the opportunity, coach. I know
it's not a good thing to jump ahead to future
test matches. I'm just thinking about the Rugby Championship and
the two test matches coming up in South Africa. I
noted that the South Africans employed a situation where they
(20:13):
had eight forwards in the reserves. I think they called
it like an eight mild split. And it occurs to
me that you could almost with a big forward, you
could almost have two lots of forwards in an eighty
minute test match. I know it's the gamble, but do
you do you fear something like that or do you
(20:35):
see some merit in an eight yal split?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Sir, good question, Thanks Stuart, thanks for calling. And it's
an eight. I'm not sure about eight. Sometimes it's seven,
seven one or sixties split, but this an whole four pack.
Jason one wants next. I just say that he'll probably
employ it. But look, I think especially in Said Africa,
(21:02):
that's this is strength. You know, they've the impact that
they can bring on personally. If he lose it back early,
it makes things a little bit difficult. You're going to
lose wood on the wing potentially. But I look, let's
just talk about the trip to South Africa. It's a
hell of an opportunity and a hell of a test
(21:23):
for us to go to Joe get down the Cape
down were men he cape down for seven eight years
like us playing down there. So to open that up
and you know a lot of Kiwis are coming over
because it's special. You know, that's the special part. Those
are getting up in the middle of the night memories,
aren't they from a young kid to watch them great
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heroes of ourselves all bi stalk come from behind, big
long drop kicks. We've had everything over there, so it's
going to be a special couple of weeks for us.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, brilliant, Thank you, Stuar. I appreciate it. You've got
a question for Scott Robertson about his name I think
or his nickname.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Yes I have, but before I start, could I please
just congratulate Scott on his lovely doco on TV at
the moment called Razor, and I've been watching it. I
think his next career might be in TV. Just before
I start. Ninety four years of age, and I've been
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watching the Canterbury team ever since. Well I can't remember
when Robin Dianes was playing full back then and etc.
But I've always followed the Crusaders. Absolutely love them and
congratulations when you had them, and I hope you're as
successful as the All Blacks. Now, the question I was
(22:41):
going to ask you is how you got the name Razor?
And the other one is do you get annoy amount
of people and they're so called in the media as well,
you keep calling you Robinson.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Like you're right on. Yeah, look doc here it was
done a wall back and I think people appreciate off.
I actually can't watch you. I can't watch myself do
that sort of stuff. So I'm glad people enjoying, so
thank you. And I look the nickname, well, it's a
(23:22):
long story. Somebody else gave me another nickname, WHICHAID didn't like,
so I gave myself my one, which is stuck. Fortunately.
And what happened was we had a guy David Knox
and pet Pat Howard did I want to cut for
the Brumbies. It was nineteen ninety six. The Crusades were
(23:43):
playing at links the Park then and I threw my
shoulder and cut him and half like it was a
good tackle. It was a Brillian pierceon and I got
off and just the shoulder off and one of the
boys said what are you doing And I said, you know,
just dusting off the blade and it's what do you mean?
And I said, oh, you know, they'll razor bow cut
himing half and through a little bit of branding a
(24:03):
lot a lot, you know, a bit of a song
and the dad's stuck. So he's the story.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I love it. Thank you Fai for your for your
call and your lovely words as well. Let's go to
pick Pete. What's your question for for your Blacks coach.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
He did, Hey, I was just wondering what he sees
as the makeup for the half back first five combination
with Cortis Radama and d mek or does.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
He see body at fallback or Stephen going to start there?
But the makeup there I think is really Pisa played
together during the during the season and they know each
other really well, and I think d mack will just
keep him calm while he is here. If he does,
he this chance not to say that Fin's is great,
(24:50):
but are you looking at combinations here or is it
going to be something else depending on the makeup of
the English team.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
You thinks, Pete, Can I ask you a question you from?
Was he from?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
No? Not?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Actually Okay, wherever you go, everyone's a selected the whole local.
But yeah, a good question. Obviously Tuesday will definitely find out.
But you do look at combinations and someone like a Courtizatma,
who's wants to Taku Balow. He's a competity, works so
hard off the ball, is inside running, he's graded his craft.
(25:24):
Look Scoot hands and you know he's been working with
you know him from Afar all the half back to
around New Zealand and like he's really really impressed in
that combination with d mac as important. Look, I think
and Arra is playing some for they at the moment
come back off a injury like that at that highest level,
(25:45):
just put some perspective what an athlete in the person
he is. So look, we've got some choices to make
there and we'll see a Tuesday with a it's the selection.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Pete good man, Pete, thanks for your question. Let's move on. David.
You've got a question for the raiser.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
Yeah, what's happened to the drop check?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
What is happened to the drop kick? David wants to know?
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Razor jeez, good question the drop kick? Are we going
to practice one in the next couple of days now
after you just mentioned that, Oh look there's a time
and place for it. Obviously England had been good at
anyt know they look, they want to World Cup game
off the back of it. You've got to have it there,
You've got you've got to put it in your bank
(26:28):
and to make sure it's three points. It's it's just
it's like you do with a penalty. So look, we've won,
we've won games on it before, so yep, it's on
the list.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Rest assured David. The drop kick is there? Are tim
your question for Razor?
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Hey, I'm just wondering what was the reasoning behind only
picking three specialized locks?
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Good.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I look with the squad of thirty two and the
simmer Penny female that can cover lock and just the
injuries at that time, we felt that was our best mix.
And because we can bring an injury cover, he brought
a young guy in like like I said, Dary, so
it gave herself fourth and that that was the reason
behind it. And also we've got some quality loose Fords
(27:13):
as well, so we've got the next one coming through
and some three experienced second roles.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Let's go to uh, Tony, what's your question Tony?
Speaker 4 (27:23):
If I Scotty, what do you say to your team
when they don't follow instructions?
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Who are you talking about? Here? Is this? You said
you see someone else in the households.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
May or maybe the All Blacks?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah, okay, we have to repect obviously if if if
you have, if they're not they're not delivering, it's either
you you look at yourself first. I think it's the first.
But how a you're delivering the message? Why isn't it
getting across? And then probably the big thing is check
for clarity and understanding and if it doesn't still keep working,
(28:03):
just give them an opportunity somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Thanks for call, Tony. Let's go to Mark. What have
you got as a question?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Mark?
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Good afternoon? Our first all, congratulations Rasor on your appointment,
and congratulations for picking TJ. Jason's already asked one of
the questions for me, I'm I'm blue supporter, O.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
What does Hoskin really have to do to get in?
And the other one in a lesson note? Maybe is
Rick Telly?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
All right? Hoskins are two too? And Ricky Rickattelly both
missed the cut this time? Do they are they in
the picture still?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yeah? Look, Costkin, because you and I had the conversation.
I talked them through the year and I showed him
what was required, so you know, you would talk about
individual conversations on the radio. But so he knows. Of course,
he's an opportunity to get back. And I mentioned a
lot before around the areas the what areas in rickit Telly? Yeah,
(28:58):
look he was, he was in the conversation. Looked at
him closely. Look our coach them through twenties nine personally
and which you we just believe these three hockeys are
the beast for us moving forward.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
All right, and one final question on the phones another Mark, Hi, Mark, Hey.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
Fin raise it.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Yeah, just a general question.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
What does what does success gook like at the end
of raisers reign as all black coach, Oh.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Cured, It's like a good job interview. The good question.
Success looks like we've we've got a team that can
adapt and when the test met in front of them,
great depth in their squad, so guys can come in
(29:46):
and out and play different positions as we travel around
the world. That's what success looks like for us.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Good on your Mark, Thanks for your question. Thanks for
all your questions. I've got a couple more before we
knock it on the head. You've got other places to
be Raiser, keep spin and camp. I saw a photo
of been Paul Williams Paul Williams as well, So what's
there strategy or the restional behind that?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, it's great. It's important like they adjudicate the game,
don't they. So you need to be connected. You understand
what the rulings are, the interpretation because we've got laws,
as they call it, interpretation of laws, and that sometimes
can be frustrating for people and for us. So we're
trying to make as clear as possible as we possibly
can they give us, keep us consistently updated. Look at
(30:30):
the reef that we've got in front of them. What
is his personality? How does he ref and he gets
on field with us, you know, du Kate, we have
some tough training, you know, physical training, so he gets
a whistle in his hand as well.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
How much scrutiny do you expect in this role.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
As much as any other well black.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Coach compared compared to the scrutiny you receive this Crusaders coach?
How how elevated?
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Is it.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Obviously extremely elevated? You know the expectation is on mentioned
before as high the responsibility of the role. It's something
I've prepared myself as for the last eleven years as
a head coach. You know, I've set myself up like
a player. Does you know you spend trying to as
many experience as you can. You know, from coaching my
(31:26):
club side to my NBC side to super side, it's
naturally the progression and up and all those experiences help you,
you know, to deal with the scrutiny. The biggest thing
is I got to know who I am, who I
need around me, and then there's an element I'm going
to enjoy it, but I've got I've just got to
own it as well. Then that's the biggest thing. If
(31:48):
it works or doesn't.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Do you have a close in a circle of people outside.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Of rugby, yep, yep. I've got two or three people
that I talk as mentors for the rugby side of
it and one or two on the outside of it.
You know, what do they see? How's the messaging? How
am I coming up cross.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
To?
Speaker 3 (32:09):
You know on field? Like I was talking about my
own personal dshapalia myself and and also just someone to
put a bit of perspective on life, because you know
it's going to come in some capacity and it's always
good to talk. That's how I work. I need to
talk through it with somebody and it just clears and
kiss me.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
And in terms of the guidance you take. So there
are certain people who I mean, everyone's got an opinion,
as you know.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah, and it's a beautiful thing. I think we need that.
You've got to embrace that. People like people, you know,
selecting rictellies and they're selecting courties right. Awesome. When you
lose that, there's the essence of what New Zerobi is about.
That's the DNA, the connection that people have got an opinion,
that connection to our beautiful black juicy and that and
that sits us on the wall stage.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
You excited?
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yeah, like I'm looking forward to it, like you know,
the motions go you sort of. I'm really big folkus
on getting the week right so I can enjoy that,
so we can appear someone. A lot of my focus
goes on to the preparation, not so much the outcome,
and that's cloche cliche. And once I get the process right,
I can enjoy them much more. All right.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Just to finish this facility? Yeah, how cool.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Ain't Yeah? Look Kevin and Malcolm who who had the
vision to bring this alive. That's pretty incredible. A lot
of people have visions and putting into action and it's
still grow. You know, the Hut's thriving out here. It's
been much time before out here, but it's at works.
You know, it's two minutes to everywhere. It feels like home.
(33:44):
The food, you know, the bedrooms, the green room and
guess what it was the greatest date everyone Wellington this
morning it was bar me. It was like twenty degrees
and then it rained as we're walking off the fields,
so perfect timing.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
All right, missus for the fans. Finally missus for the fans.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Look, yeah, I'll catch prage for everything is together. We
walk and we want to do this together. We want
to bring everyone together in just like the opportunity people
walked towards it embraced the challenges ahead. This will anti
sisted and that's what we'll do and we'll go and
have some fun.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Fantastic Rosa. Thanks for taking the time. It's been entertaining, instructional, educational,
and you've got somewhere else to be. Thanks for taking
the time to join us this after no cheers Briny.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Thanks everyone.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
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Speaker 1 (34:32):
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