June 28, 2025 • 41 mins
All Blacks coach Scott Robertson has revealed why they opted to bring Dalton Papali'i into camp again following the injury to Wallace Sititi.
Sititi is out for the series against France with a high ankle injury, with Blues flanker Papali'i whistled in as injury cover after missing the initial squad and Christian Lio-Willie moved into the squad proper.
Robertson says Ethan Blackadder - who also missed out - was unavailable to come in.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yes, Ida it is coming up. I pasted one. A
great pleasure to welcome into the studio All Blacks head
coach Scott Robertson. He's here for an hour to talk
about a wide range of topics and I'm sure looking
forward to answering your questions. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Get you to throw the phone. A rare
chance for you to speak directly with Razer if you
prefer to text your question nine two nine two. Great
(01:14):
to see you mate, How are you?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Yeah, good afternoon, Piney. Thanks for having me in here.
It's awesome to be interrogated on a Sunday afternoon. It's
a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Good on you, mate. We do have call stacking up
and we will get to those. But I'm keen to
go back a year. It's exactly a year to the
day that you joined us at nz CIEs ahead of
your first All Blacks. Well it's the first All Blacks
test matches. How different do you feel going into year
two compared to how you felt a year ago as
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a new All Blacks head coach.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Look interesting in it to think back in it's been
a year. It seems so quick, but also so long ago.
We're one hundred and twenty days better for it. I
understand how test weeks work, test matches work on and
off the field, the length of the season. All the
management or the coaching group are better for that. But
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it's always different, it's always changing. You have to be
really innovative. You have to think on your feet still.
But the key these ten days that we're going to
have together set us up for this French series is
really critical. So how you start right now is critical.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Was there anything last year that was a particular lesson
for you? Something you didn't expect. What was the biggest
thing or things you learned last year on field or
on field anything to do with the all black setup.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Yeah? On field, hell I knew, like every test matches
like a final. You know, the expectations you compete and win,
and the margins are so close and things can change
so quickly. You know, a lot of calls that go away,
the injuries, like the ability to adapt on the field
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to calls, yellow cards. Things are under the microscope more.
You know, tmos, little plays, tries, no tries. You know
there's substitutions. All these little critical things add up because
the margins are so small that the titus that's ever
been Test footy, the stats show that across the top
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seven teams. And how those decisions and how you set
your team up through the week to win those and
critical moments is really critical important, sorry, And so the
work you do to get your set up so they
can can own it on the field, off the field,
just the size of it. Yep, you're on the road.
You never playing the same play place twice Sunday, you're up,
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you pack up, you're gone again. You know there's a
forward party that are setting it up, they leave early.
Then you come in and you've got another test week.
So it's a new hotel, new coaching room, new management room,
new leaders room, new team room. You just got to
adapt them what's in front of you. So it's exciting,
but it's also it's quite relentless.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Just before we look specifically at what lies immediately in
front of you. I mean this time next week you
would have played your first Test against France in Dunedin.
In the framework of a four year World Cup cycle,
what are the goals and objectives for year two, which
this is Are there any specific goals for year two
of a four year World Cup cycle?
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah, over four years. Probably from a section point of view,
you're trying to be four deep in all positions, so
you've got to create enough depth. And I've said it before,
is it's the white boat theory where you got Stephen
Donald coming in as the fourth ten, you know, with
that nice, beautiful type juty to kick her apparently to
win the Rugby World Cup. And who's your fourth guy
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in each position or some guys people can cover two positions,
especially loose forwards or midfield or outside backs. But when
you name that thirty three you've got. If we three,
that's got another versatility enough I believe to pay in
different positions. But also who's needs to come in because,
as you know, rugby is a brutal sport and injuries
are part of it, and things change change quickly.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Right, going to take some calls in a moment. They're
stacking up a full board already. You're a This is
the envy of a talkback host. You're getting calls stamped up.
We'll get them the moment. But I just wanted to
ask you about your squad and the thirty three that
you named. If you were independent of one another, all
of the coaches, yourself, and all of your assistants to
write down thirty three names independent of one another and
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then came together. I'm not sure that might be what
you do. How different do you think everybody's thirty three
would be? Would you have twenty nine in common? Twenty
five in common, twenty nine in common?
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I'd tell you you down to two or three four,
depending depending what's important to you. So what we do.
We done a lot of work on the guy's character,
how courageous to aur and what crafts. So we used
three c's as a model, and then everyone sees sometimes
craft different, you know, like I've got a lot of
footwork like a fend and really good bumps and keep
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their feet alive and anticipate. I watched Type Forwards a
lot to make sure that they've got the ability and
skill set, not just set peace. Jase loves the set piece,
loves a penalty, and he also lights a line out
and cleans and stuff. But we all see things differently.
But the non negotiables the character of the player, you know,
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on and off the field, champion, off on tough, worry
just just will get into it and be really brutal.
And so then you break it down and then some
people see something in other players. So those are the
conversations you've got to have, you know, you break it down,
how's it going to complement our team? Are they test ready?
Will they step up straight away? Have they got the craft?
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And how can you do they need a week with
us before or a couple of weeks before us, and
you bring them in the next series. There's lots of
little things you go over, but majority of the players
pick themselves through their own performance. Wonderful.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
It's a thirteen past one. Scott raiser Robertson is in studio.
We invited calls. I'll get Marked to put these calls
to where as we need to do so. So Mark first,
first up as Mark, can you hear us there? Mark,
I'm just going to try and get Mark on the air.
I might get you to do that for me, Mark Kelly.
(07:17):
Just while we're organizing that. A couple on text. There's
a great one that came through here with Damien McKenzie
and Bot and Barrett both available and playing very slightly
but different styles. What specifically are you looking for in
your starting ten? Is it about form, experience, symmetry with
other players or the game plan you want the all
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Blacks to play? So wow, the Texas that's the text. Yah,
So those you're ten and why detailed?
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Probably all of them in their own you know, and
what's in front of you. Obviously, we gave d Mech
a really good crack last year. We wanted to give
him as much opportunities to learn his craft. And we
know he's curageous, don't we, you know, And we know
the only way you really learn about yourself is at
that moment under the heat. And we did some a
great job in the same with Bowden techically aware still
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at thirty three, play the good footy physically and great
next So we've got the balance of the two is perfect.
They both run the game slightly differently, both can come
off the bench, and both can play ten and fallback,
so they compliment each other really well.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Good stuff, all right, I think we can get these
calls on now Mark. Have we got Mark on the
air there? Okay, we're just still having a couple. Okay,
I'm clicking them, I am clicking him and he's not
coming to air, So that's that's an odd one. We'll
go back to some questions that I have here. We
are going to get to the phones. We promised that
you could call, and you talked about players making the
step up. How do you know how do you know
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that actually we can't go back to Mark? Well, Mark,
we'll put Mark to wear shortly. How do you know
a guy can make a step on and off the field.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
That's just part of your your gut feeling, and you
see them through super seasons, super season and even coming
into finals. You know, some people just step up to
the occasion. The bigger the game, the bigger involvements, you know,
test food is a game of collisions and so those
a lot of finals footy, you know, pressure to pressure moments,
high ball, kick long, you know who's going to break first,
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and they step up and and I've got to talk
about Wallace because that's what he did, you know, like
you obviously with the Chiefs Hurricanes game at the Caketon
last year, like he was phenomenal and we've been watching him,
we've seen him and as a young man when you
physically it was in good condition, but wow, that was
the moment. You run, you keep packing it up and
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you stepped up in that moment.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
All right, third time Lucky, I'm sure we can get
Mark this time.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Mark.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
What's your question for Raiser?
Speaker 6 (09:45):
I'll kind of celibris to make it short. How are
you going to Scott? Have you thought have you planned
to hear about the next World cupital.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
With the French?
Speaker 6 (09:55):
How are you going to count with them?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
It's a big question, but you know, yeah, we always
World Cups as a natural cycle, especially for contracting as
well and for players. They look at World Cups when
she's enough. We've got a couple of years after the
Lions tour, which is unique for the people's career, especially
to play a couple of them. But you work back
like I said before about getting four deep, you know,
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and changes really quickly the laws making our games fast, faster,
with the line outs, with the scrum, the ball and
place higher. So you've got to be highly skilled and
really fit. So you look at guys and big men
that have got all those So you're talking about your
depth and then who's got the ability to be resilient
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for a long period periods of time and play a
couple of positions. So we're looking at from that point
of view, but also looking at the laws and the
laws of the game. And it's trending great for us
because we've got a highest skilled team and part of
this year is to build that the depth and give
guys like we have an opportunity in this series with
the French.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Thanks very much for kicking us off.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Mark.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Let's go to Stuart. You've got a question for Razor Stuart.
Speaker 8 (11:03):
Yes, thanks for the opportunity, gentlemen, coach, I know it's
not good to jump too far ahead. With the French
arriving on a couple of YouTube channels. I keep an
eye on the spring Bok, the Spring box and they
look pretty fearsome and organized. Are we ready for this
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rugby storm? Coming from South Africa?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
I look ruddy in the last six years coming to
a seventh year. You know, he's built a pretty pretty
incredible depth and a squad, really clear identity, and they
know how they're going to play. They're coming through the
front door. It's it's quite it's quite clear. And what
they do you know, in the ability. You know, obviously
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last year we had it came down to a one
score game. At the end of it, we leave them
by you know, there's ten points and we wanted to
move them around the field and whole ball for long
periods of time and just a couple of little moments
as I mentioned before, which changes test match. We didn't
quite go our way. Discipline is really really important around it,
So look, you've got to give full respect him. They
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know they're hare going to play, and we know how
we're going to play, and we've we've just got to
do it for that eighteen minute period and make sure
we have a twenty three that carry out that game plan.
But yeah, we've got the skills in the players to
ready for fifth September.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Thank you very call Stuart a lot on text asking
about selection and Ethan Black at a lot of Cantabrians
listening to the show not selected in your thirty three
and then when Wallace was unfortunately injured and couldn't take
part in the French series, you brought Dalton Papaletti and
why Dalton and not Ethan?
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Both genuine options, both her experienced as well. Ethan was
unavailable medically, had that conversation with him and so it
was Dalton's opportunity to come in. But look, we know
Ethan and how much output he puts into the game,
and like he's in, he takes the character box. He's no,
not about that. He's a hell of a man. So
here's some tough calls.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
He all right, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
our number one twenty will take a break. There is
a spear line there which won't last very long. I
can tell you your questions for Scott Raiser Robertson until
two Here at News Talks EDB. We're back after this.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
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Speaker 2 (13:29):
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Speaker 3 (13:30):
One twenty three. Just before we go back to the lines,
very quick selection question. How close was chiefs Lucy Simon
Parker to selection prior to getting injured.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
He here's a lot of interest in them. Looky, he's
a big body, six foot five and one hundred and
twenty kilos. It's it's hard not to watch them. He
was in good form and we just played because he's
hasn't had his chance to get his body continual matches
and he did through the season. So yeah, he's on
the watch list for sure. Good to hear.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
All right, let's go back to the lines. Deane, your
question for Raiser?
Speaker 9 (14:00):
Hello, this cangch relations first of all, and all of
this teeth of the season are the legacy you're left
with Canterbury carries on. They started for a season, but
now they're right back, so that's wonderful. But what I
wanted to ask you the high kick that you see
down repeatedly, where the last man and the mall puts
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his legs stretch right back, the balls stuck under and
no one can come around, and it's advertised for like
you could make a cup of tea before they kick it.
Why don't people, why don't players get back behind the
ball to stop the other teams coming forward and gain
them momentum. If the player misses the ball or even
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when he catches it, he gets hit by a mountain
of players and quite often the ball gets turned over.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Yeah, it's one of the beautiful parts of your job,
but you just call it a bit of art Dean.
It's out for the half back in those leagues. It's
quite still of Bellerina like, isn't it how they come through?
But one thing is contestable kicking at the skill set
of half packs being able to kick the exec link
it's likely twenty seven meters depending on how high they
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can cut. Like Roy Gag can float it like a
helium blow and gun. He just floats up there and
then with no escorting. Now you can start getting tap becks.
It's a little bit more afl like, but that's a
really it's an important part of the game because you
can put pictures straight back on the half the other
other team rather than just kicking along and then the
balls in their hands and they can either run it
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back or quick long Beck in your twenty two. So
that little structure we put a lot of work into.
We didn't quite get a couple of right last year
and it cost us so you could have fallen in
love with it. Part of the game there thing.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, good on you, Dan, thanks for your call. Really appreciated.
A paid of Hamer A question for Razor.
Speaker 10 (15:49):
Yeah, Scott, thanks for taking the time. A couple of
things I'm interested in So love seeing Dukes and Jimmy
Tabanaway in there. And I'm not only part of.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
The jigsaw puzzle, but.
Speaker 10 (16:04):
Their ability, you know, test level turnovers are at a premium,
their ability on the defensive turnover. I'm just interested in
how big a fact that that wasn't picking those guys.
They've had good seasons. And number two, you see the Africans,
they play how they play, even though they've got all
these guns like Cheslin and whatnot and Orenzo. But those
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little guys are so good at recovering their kicks that
even this morning. You know they're little, but they and I.
Speaker 11 (16:36):
Feel like you diffuse their kick chase.
Speaker 10 (16:39):
You're going a long way to diffuse in the box. Yeah,
we've got quite a big We've got quite a big
test thumb, I mean in partner Sea no pressure. Yeah,
thanks to take the time again.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
You shared that question really well. Thanks for finishing with it.
But yeah, it's you're right. I think. Do you see
talking about how specifically your hey can stop the game
and it's head county with his timely turnovers. But his
discipline and self control was huge this year, like one
of the least penalized players. And his technic technically I
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showed the pictures of the reef wanted to see, so
he got a lot of return off it. And same
with Timothy, you know, like he's he's pretty incredible both
sides of the ball. His power, he came out of
the gate and super the great thing for him he
just kept going, just kept going around the corner, in
the corner and keep going. And you know he was gaged.
He was so big for that on his team. And
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what was the last part of the question, ticking. It's
quite interesting, a pretty hummer around that the you know
seventh players come back into our game, like you know,
got Bill Buddy that the French winger are in. There's
Chieslin Colby, like Lee, Roy Carter thus sevens parts that
have come back into into rugby fifteen's that the tough,
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the great round, the breakdown, the good kick, chase stuffy.
They used to tackling six six feet jeans above the knee,
you know, one on one, so you know the ability
to transition and to test fully. But more importantly they've
got speed which gives them creates more opportunities and a
lot of others, you know, like Leroy Carter's fastest and
New Zealand from statistically, you know he's it's pretty incredible
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the opportunities that come just for a speed and those
boys in the spring box are transitioned back credibly.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Well was he close, Leroy Carter?
Speaker 4 (18:30):
He was in the picture too, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
A part of Harma. Thank you for your call. Let's
get back to the lines. Mark your question for Razor.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Yeah, hey, final you raiser Richie mcwaania. Do you see
him starting at number ten at the next World cume?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Uh? Like I see Richie. It's a valuable part of
New Ermobian and when he when he's back, we can
we know what he can do and we've got a
couple of great tens at the moment as well, experienced
and with Richie experience as well, so that that's good,
and we've obviously got to get the next group coming
through as well. Just the intry picked. We're in love.
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You know, he's got a beautiful balance between ten and fifteen.
And when the hurricanes put him in there, we're you know,
we're watching like everyone else, and he just stood up
to it and he's matured nicely. So we've got four
good teams at the moment. So and we're looking at
fift and six as you always do.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Thanks for your question, Mark, Let's keep going. It's almost
hung up on you there, Phil, Phil your question for Raiser, Oh.
Speaker 12 (19:31):
Don't do that money? Yeah, good guys, and who we are?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Oh go ahead now we're good Phil. Thanks you, it's
on you excellent.
Speaker 12 (19:42):
Oh just for ask my question, Raiser. I met I
met your appearance a number.
Speaker 13 (19:46):
Of years ago.
Speaker 12 (19:47):
Years ago. I bought a golf club off your old man.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
There.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
We're going to be a very cover of the fire service.
It was one of the two.
Speaker 14 (19:54):
Oh yeah, he can love.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
I love this golf mate. He's passionate about if the
masters are on you, you don't see him for four days.
Speaker 12 (20:02):
Yeah, oh well I can relate to that on a
golfer and he threw and a few gold as well.
He said, hey, I have half a dozen of these
as well, and he was very proud of you. He said,
I look at this photo. Do you know this guy?
Speaker 11 (20:11):
He's my boy.
Speaker 12 (20:14):
My question is that I don't know if it's appropriate
question because it's just a curiosity question for me, and
I've talked to Pointy about it. I'm just wondering why
a guy like what holds or stops or is stopping
a guy like Tom Christie from getting becoming an All
Black because I think he's a fantastic player, and I
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think he's good enough, but you would know better than me.
But he performs week in and week out to such
a high standard for the Crusaders, and I just wondered
what what what holds him back or what it is?
It just that he's in a big bull fighting against
other players.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I think you sort of answered it yourself. For one
thing is he's tough and consistent. You know, I've known
him since he came out of school, Tom, so you know,
work with them closely, and he just keeps tuning up
each week. He's he's cleaned a lot of his game
up and his skill set and stuff, and you know
that's guys like him are just so important for super rugby,
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you know, in New Zone rugby, and he goes back
in such an incredible leader for his province and he
makes you know Super rugby what it is this year.
We know how great the viewers, the balls. He must say,
Mutch rugby like this for so long and it just
gives you how much enjoyment you know that games and
good Nick, and he's one of the reasons.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Thanks for your call, Phil, appreciate it very much. Do
you have a more defined sense of your game plan
this year ras A, given the ball carriers, the impact
players that you've selected.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Yeah, we did last year to an extent. I think
a lot of our games will stopped looking because just
the discipline and we didn't quite as you know, it's
pro well documented that second half stuff we'd get well,
we lead every team at halftime, so there was some
you know, you can get caught on things and my
job is to keep the course. And you know we
want to play fast because we've got the skill set
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to do that. We've got the game where it's trending
with the stoppages and play and quick ball and quick
line out, et cetera, and the athletes to do it
so ball and play lots of short passes and doing
it fast and you know where as we mentioned, a
year better for it.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
And Jeordie's back and how do you think he is
looking and the experience of playing at Leinster? What do
you what can we expect to see from Jordi and
twenty twenty five in a black jersey.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Well, he's got a nice little tan on at the
moment the hemisphere ten he's come back with a glow
up from my island and he's but he's good, like
he's a coach, you know, he's a player.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Coach, you know, like he just knows the game so
well and you see that game. I watch this game
and it's like golf for him. He's a real fan.
He's a fan of rugby, is a fan of golf.
He knows anything about everyone else is talking about AFL
like he knew every team and every player else. So
he's a deep thinker. But when you get him on
the field or you know, what he shares to you
and what bit of gold, how we just discusses and talks,
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he's another part of your coaching group, and we know
how valuable was it for him mentally, and he's in
great physical neck coming back from good to hear.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Let's get back to the lines and get some more
questions coming your way. Mark, you're up. What's your question
for Raser?
Speaker 4 (23:24):
How are you?
Speaker 8 (23:25):
I am?
Speaker 14 (23:27):
I really enjoyed the team.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
The other day?
Speaker 14 (23:29):
You know, good squad. You've got but one thing.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
I didn't see my name.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
And for the water boys, you know I do pick
the water bottles.
Speaker 14 (23:38):
But not for the obacks.
Speaker 9 (23:40):
When am I going to get the call up?
Speaker 4 (23:42):
We've got a fitting process that we're to go through.
We're currently doing it at the moment, So we'll come
back to your things.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Match, you keep your head and the ring there. Mark,
keep going at a local level, and who knows you
might get the call. We've got your number. We've got
your number. Clive, your question for Raser?
Speaker 6 (23:57):
Here?
Speaker 7 (23:57):
Good afternoon, guys. Listen. The frustration is the red cards situation. Now.
I've seen red cards for very similar events with very
different results. One where it's considered accidental and one where
you get a red card. Sam Kine in the World
Cup the last World Cup would be an example of that.
(24:18):
I've seen one recently and Super Rugby where it was
a ricochet, so the guy that ricocheted into the ball
holder had had no hope of avoiding it a red card.
But I'm curious what do you guys get by way
of feedback from either the judiciary or the refereeing whoever
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looks after that that, because it must be frustrating for
you as the coach.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Scott, Yeah, it can be the first thing. I'll just
like to to say, Clivers, we focus on what we
can control and it's our technique, so how can we
be technically ready? So we were not in a position
where you were going to a TMO. But if we
do so, you practice as best you possibly can to
be safe and like I said, around their self control.
(25:08):
So everyone's got different ways in different styles, but we've
got to show that to the ref can consistently now
with the yellow card that's on report that slowly always evolves,
so they're trying to speed the process up as much
as they can, but also protect players. Now that's the
balance of the two. They've got to get the health
of the players right and the laws of the game right,
(25:30):
but also the speed. And you could see that it's
evolved probably from Sam Kaine's example. You know that would
have been on you know, was a read and the
end that was probably going to be on report and
in today in Asia would have just been a twenty
minute And I think that's where they've got two over
the years, and we're in a good place at the moment.
It feels like it's changing all the time, because it
(25:50):
probably is, but they are evolving it so it can
be like I said, fast clean, everyone understanding, everyone's healthy.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Good on your Live. Thanks for bringing up a pertinent issue.
We carry on, Jason, you're up next. What's your question
for Raiser?
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Oh, go Chips, Yeah, question for Rasa. I was just
curious about player psychology. Actually, I recall back in the
back in the day, so the Richard McCort era was
always a huge edge that the All Blacks had. I
remember that that psychology component being quite key. And with these,
as you were saying right as earlier, the seven teams,
(26:24):
the top seven not much between them anymore. I'm just
wondering how that's innovated, especially under your under your current leadership.
And yeah, if that's still such a focus, yeah, oh for.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Sure, that's a massive part of the game understanding yourself.
We've got Doctr kre Evans, who's yeah, clinical psychologists in
the forensics criatus. Oh, he's got a lot of leaders
after his name anyway, a lot of study and he's
been around and played one hundred games for the All
(26:59):
Whites and football and been around the All Backs for
a long period of time. And he does a lot
of work individually and then the team as well. So
a lot of your mental stuffs tying back into your
identity and who we are. But then also what do
you need you know? Do you become extremely frustrated quickly
or do you become too passive? Do you like where
do you sit individually? So if you make an era
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or if you don't make an era, or how can
you be right on the spot where you need to
be for each game and each moment? How can your
distractions the skill set and the tools that you can
get back to being present in the moment. So we
do a lot of work on it. It's a big
part of all sport and in mental health in general.
A lot of care goes during the in the weekendo.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
It Thanks for your call, Jason, It's just on twenty
three away from two. We'll take a quick break, come
back with more of your calls. Scott Raiser Robinson with
us until two o'clock here on News Talks, edb.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
New Zealand's most scrutinized position. Well, I just say to you,
I think.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
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Speaker 3 (28:09):
That'd be it's the most scrutinized. More questions to come.
I just want to ask you about Club Rugby because
your name just squad at the Coastal Rugby Club. Many
of your players spent time at Club Rugby yesterday. I've
seen some wonderful footage on the All Black Socials about that.
How important is club rugby to you as far as
the New Zealand rugby ecosystem is concerned.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Oh, it's critical pathway, isn't it? From schools to club
and clubs another home for everyone. You know where you
belong and you have so many memories and generational moments
that that you want to connect with, you know, and
going out there was a big, big part of it
at the beach on yesterday was beautiful to the Heather family.
(28:47):
You know, with Corey last year, what happened was pretty
tough on all the rugby community and just to go
and connect with them and just shown appreciation that. You know,
there were so many all back jersies running around and
they were just you're just so proud that we could
go out there and we're pleased we could as well.
It was amazing. Good on you.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Let's go back to the lines, John, you got a
question for Raiser, Yeah.
Speaker 15 (29:06):
Rasa, I'll ask you about selecting Anton Lennard Brown when
he hasn't played and I don't know when he's going
to be ready to play again when you've got guys
like Brandon Eno, who I thought hit a particularly good
season at the center.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Yeah, he did look will be available after a couple
of tests. It's good hunt for him to come and train,
obviously because he can play in those Fist Cup of tests.
We brought the money and there's a wing, so that
sort of bounced out that they're back three for us.
But he's extremely experienced. He's been for because he's been
in the game for so long and he can play
a couple of positions, even three positions. He's l available
(29:46):
to us, so that was a decision we made there.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Good on your Thanks John for your call. Josh, you
got a question for Razor?
Speaker 14 (29:53):
Yeah, Hirasa tab Nawai. Did you pick him as a
as a second fiber or at least forward? I'm thinking he's.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
A bit of a hybrid, isn't he check them on
the side of this gum. Look, he's in anticipation to
get on the balls. Pretty incredible. He's got the mindset
and he's got those little pumpers that he just gets
over the ball like at Land Crab and he just
locks in and he can turn that ball over. He's Yeah,
he's differently a powerful player. Good at the breakdown.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
We'll keep going. James out of the Lovely Hawks, Bay,
what's your question for Raser?
Speaker 11 (30:28):
Thanks finally, Raiser, just I feel like I'm speaking on
behalf of a lot of the easy on rugby public here,
But what I want to know is why do the
selectors persist on playing Rico Yuanni at center? My mind,
he was a brilliant winger.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
For the All Blacks.
Speaker 11 (30:44):
He's scored a lot of tries and I just don't
feel that we've seen him be the player he was
as center, and I don't know what I just I'm
baffled as to why the selectors persist with him in
that position.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Yeah, look, a lot of the games he finished on
the wing last year when we were mindful of the
combinations who started. We had lost seven hundred Test caps
last year and there's a lot of experience, so that
was part of part of the reason we paid them
there and then eased them back into the back end
on the wing and post all the super rugby it's
sent to as well, and then that's how we started.
(31:21):
But in the year he did pay wing and like
I said, to play a couple of positions really critical
and he can definitely get on the wing and finish tries.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Just on the center position. With my Hurricanes fan hat
on Billy Proctor, is he pushing hard for that thirteen
jersey this year?
Speaker 4 (31:39):
He's playing good, he's playing great footy, He's got his
body and great nick. He's matured young dad and he's
really consistent, so he's definitely got an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Good to hear sp be lying there. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty with you and to seek John.
The other thing I just that occurred to me at
the back end of Super Rugby was there seemed to
be some real passion, some real feeling between opposition sides.
I wouldn't say it boiled over into dislike or hatred
or anything like that, but these guys were clearly determined
to beat one another. When they come together in the
(32:13):
all Blacks camp, Is that something you have to manage?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Nah, they go and hug each other and kissing cattle.
I think it's more a sign of the competitiveness, what
they care about, where they belong, when they come from.
But you know, the black jersey unite you. The team
Black comes in and then that competition is done. Now
on representing my country. So you need that, you need
the rivalry, you need all those things to come together.
(32:39):
So you know, you've got heroes and villains. You know,
got storylines and that makes it. The people love the
theater of it. But when it's it's done and you
move on.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Are you're okay with your players having personalities, displaying their
personally and you always were an exuberant personality yourself. Because rugby,
like any sport, needs narratives, doesn't it. You're happy for
guys like Reco are you Artie to get on social
media and stir things up a little bit.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Look, Rique, Look he's actually he's a good man. He
plays that game a little bit. You You probably one
joker in your team, aren't you. You know, and he's
that guy entice his people. But you know, look that
the other side to him is an incredible professional. He's
deeply about who he's playing for, works really, really hard,
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and he's played a hell a lot of rugby in
the last ninety ten years. And you know when he
rang and said, look, I would like to go to Dublin,
and fellow Georgia was like, you repeat that, man, that's awesome.
You know, you know he'll be a better player for that,
and the opportunity created for himself for being so consistent
to get away will be No. I'm great to stick
for him.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Back to the lines we go, Hi, John, you're your
question for Razor?
Speaker 9 (33:54):
Yeah, the Razor?
Speaker 6 (33:55):
Did you did you watch them?
Speaker 8 (33:57):
Mary or Breaks?
Speaker 9 (33:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
How good? How talented? Are they? So good to see.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
And what a very little first live.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Rivers Rahana.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Listeners from.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
I used to play with his dead and Bruce. He
was a hell of a player himself. You can see
all the traits in the character has come through. He's
coming up ag and nicely.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Good stuff. John, Thanks, indeed, we'll get a couple more
in George, Hi, mate, wats your question for Raiser.
Speaker 13 (34:32):
And hey, thanks plenty for giving us so much public
access to Razor. It's awesome, Hey, Rasor christ for you.
As a follow up to that Bully Proctor comment before
Rico was obviously preferred last year, it seems so what
what was he offering more last year than then? What
Billy wasn't in with the with a lot of talk
Scott Hanson the net at the selection about wanting to
(34:53):
go a lot wider this year and get into the
space that suits Billy came for just the comment of
Belie versus on the third a jumper.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Yeah, this is probably the big thing with Ricky, just
as his experience. And I suppose you have to pay
pass to get experience and that's the balance that you
do and you win the Test. You're trying to win
the Test match in front of you, so to get
the balance of it. But the great thing is Billy's
paid buddy well this year and he's kept the pressure
on us, you know, and we'll get the best out
(35:23):
of both of them. And I think, you know, pick
them for in the right positions we feel it is
to win for our country.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Good on you, George. Just on Super Rugby. No enforced
rest this year. Didn't say guys need to only play
six matches in a row and then and then not
play again. Rico started every game for the Blues Quartie summer,
Penny Finale played every game for the Chiefs Dupes and
cam roy Gard every game for the Hurricanes. Any concerns
about their loading as you go into the Test season.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
One thing I did when we first come and I
want to try and change the narrative around it, Like
you know, it's all about rest. That's sort of gone,
hasn't it in the last couple of years. I wanted
to individualize it because you you want to get the
best out of players. Some players have been injured the
year before and they had to have five games in
(36:11):
the rest, but some games some players just need six, seven,
eight games. So those guys were managed in the back,
in the background. They still played where they needed to,
but they were they were managing the background of off
the field with their training still to get the best
out of them, so more individualized to get the best
out of them. So you learned by playing, you get
better by playing. And everyone was different. Some players had
(36:36):
less some but it wasn't made public so we didn't
have an article. And even goes of All Backs aren't watching,
so I'm not watching. Start playing, so I'm not watching.
Excuse me? So yeah, the narratives changed a little bit
and it's working here.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Good stuff. Just on eleven away from two, one more
break and then back with our final few minutes with
All Blacks coach Scott Robertson here on News Talks.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
He'd be.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
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Robertson taking your calls on eight hundred eighty Weekends Sport
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Speaker 3 (37:09):
That'd be seven and a half away from two. Man
the hour has flown by. So we're getting ready for
a test series against France. Do you know you're starting
fifteen before the squad assembles? Are the first test on me?
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Yep? Yeah? Well yes or no? You're sort of eighty
percent there. Obviously, there's some medicals and scans to have
after finals and you and you sort of try and
work out the whole test series. Get a field who
can play so we can play all of the players.
Ideally that that's the intention. Doesn't sometimes always work that way.
And then you know you have your first twenty three
(37:45):
and what is it going to work off off the
back of that, So then you can start getting commodations, training,
et cetera.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
You mentioned before, and it's well documented every test you
lost last year you let it half time. So is
that finishing the last twenty minutes or whatever it might
be that has it been a real focus ahead of
twenty twenty five?
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yep? Yeah. You stage it into your trainings and you
make people aware of it and what does it look like,
and you know, how do we react to it? And
so you start training those daily habits part of it,
and just more important in your mindset, you know, we'll
probably stop playing a little bit. Sometimes sometimes you've overplayed,
sometimes the discipline wasn't great. So it's not just one thing,
but the awareness of it, and then you put it
(38:23):
into training as much as you can and all the
mental skill stuff as well.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
I mean you must sit there in the first half
of the year watching Super Rugby, watching the eighteen rounds
of it and then the finals and think, man, can
I just get my hands on these guys? And now
you have got them. We're less than a week out
from the first Test. How are your emotions? How excited
are you to get the Test season started?
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Yeah? Look, my job is to takes away as many
distractions as possible, so we're really clear and free in
mind so we can play. We've got incredibly talented group
that care deeply about it. So how do you set
them up in the game? How do you send them
off the field so when they come under the roof
we can play fast and showcase that and deal with
any adversity that comes along. So are you excited? You
(39:03):
have all the plans in place, but you still got
to depth and a just as you go along. Test
theories are different. You know, you don't often get to
pay three the same team three times in a row,
so their own narratives. You know Test series, you know
the French teams, what it is that they'll be French.
You will just play who's in front of us? With
majority of the focuses on us. We know how they're
going to play from the last few years, you know,
(39:27):
and they'll bring the fair.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
And it's your intent to give everybody a game that's year.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
As I mentioned before that that's the intent to give
you guys as many as an opportunity to pay in
these three test series here.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
All right, So finally before we go, as I said before,
it's amazing that you make yourself available to come in
and take calls and interact with the fans, and no
doubt you get plenty of that when you're just out
in about getting your cold or at at an airport
or whatever you might be. It feels to me anyway
as though you do embrace that. Though you do, and
(40:02):
I presume that filters down you are keen for everybody
that's you know, to be involved in the All Blacks
and what you're about.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Yeah, look, I'm a public figure, so I'm going to
get public feedback. And the opinions are great because it
means people care about our game and it's the national
sport and you're nationally recognized and you know, look, you
ever seen around together we walk, which was a bigger
part of it. I wanted the country to realize that
we're representing them. So if I'm out in public walk
and this gay's walked together and and I say that
(40:32):
connected so terrorism that people can see, you know, the
ardis the Scott Barrett's that whoever's there that they're real
they can achieve it. And in you know, keep that
idolizing of the all blacks and connected.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
When he off to donate and Tuesday is it?
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Yeah, Tuesday Tuesday down South fantastic.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Well again, Rasa, thank you for taking the time to
pop in and and fill us all in. It's been
been awesome to Jetty you hope of enjoyed interacting with
our listeners as well on the phone. Heaps of texts
we couldn't get to, but we wish you all the
best for the the year ahead, starting with France and
Dunedin next Saturday. Look forward to seeing you down there.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Thanks for having me. Thanks to everyone listening as well.
Appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Scott Raizor Robertson in studio with us. That's two years
in a row. He's done it.
Speaker 13 (41:18):
Well.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Let's hope that a year from now we can we
can do it again. I won't make you commit to it,
but could you commit to it next year, just do it.
Go on there, Scot Roberts Alive and studio News, Sport, Weather.
Next here at News Talks EDB at two.
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yes, Ida it is coming up. I pasted one. A
great pleasure to welcome into the studio All Blacks head
coach Scott Robertson. He's here for an hour to talk
about a wide range of topics and I'm sure looking
forward to answering your questions. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. Get you to throw the phone. A rare
chance for you to speak directly with Razer if you
prefer to text your question nine two nine two. Great
(01:14):
to see you mate, How are you?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Yeah, good afternoon, Piney. Thanks for having me in here.
It's awesome to be interrogated on a Sunday afternoon. It's
a pleasure.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Good on you, mate. We do have call stacking up
and we will get to those. But I'm keen to
go back a year. It's exactly a year to the
day that you joined us at nz CIEs ahead of
your first All Blacks. Well it's the first All Blacks
test matches. How different do you feel going into year
two compared to how you felt a year ago as
(01:43):
a new All Blacks head coach.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Look interesting in it to think back in it's been
a year. It seems so quick, but also so long ago.
We're one hundred and twenty days better for it. I
understand how test weeks work, test matches work on and
off the field, the length of the season. All the
management or the coaching group are better for that. But
(02:08):
it's always different, it's always changing. You have to be
really innovative. You have to think on your feet still.
But the key these ten days that we're going to
have together set us up for this French series is
really critical. So how you start right now is critical.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Was there anything last year that was a particular lesson
for you? Something you didn't expect. What was the biggest
thing or things you learned last year on field or
on field anything to do with the all black setup.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Yeah? On field, hell I knew, like every test matches
like a final. You know, the expectations you compete and win,
and the margins are so close and things can change
so quickly. You know, a lot of calls that go away,
the injuries, like the ability to adapt on the field
(03:02):
to calls, yellow cards. Things are under the microscope more.
You know, tmos, little plays, tries, no tries. You know
there's substitutions. All these little critical things add up because
the margins are so small that the titus that's ever
been Test footy, the stats show that across the top
(03:23):
seven teams. And how those decisions and how you set
your team up through the week to win those and
critical moments is really critical important, sorry, And so the
work you do to get your set up so they
can can own it on the field, off the field,
just the size of it. Yep, you're on the road.
You never playing the same play place twice Sunday, you're up,
(03:47):
you pack up, you're gone again. You know there's a
forward party that are setting it up, they leave early.
Then you come in and you've got another test week.
So it's a new hotel, new coaching room, new management room,
new leaders room, new team room. You just got to
adapt them what's in front of you. So it's exciting,
but it's also it's quite relentless.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Just before we look specifically at what lies immediately in
front of you. I mean this time next week you
would have played your first Test against France in Dunedin.
In the framework of a four year World Cup cycle,
what are the goals and objectives for year two, which
this is Are there any specific goals for year two
of a four year World Cup cycle?
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah, over four years. Probably from a section point of view,
you're trying to be four deep in all positions, so
you've got to create enough depth. And I've said it before,
is it's the white boat theory where you got Stephen
Donald coming in as the fourth ten, you know, with
that nice, beautiful type juty to kick her apparently to
win the Rugby World Cup. And who's your fourth guy
(04:47):
in each position or some guys people can cover two positions,
especially loose forwards or midfield or outside backs. But when
you name that thirty three you've got. If we three,
that's got another versatility enough I believe to pay in
different positions. But also who's needs to come in because,
as you know, rugby is a brutal sport and injuries
are part of it, and things change change quickly.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Right, going to take some calls in a moment. They're
stacking up a full board already. You're a This is
the envy of a talkback host. You're getting calls stamped up.
We'll get them the moment. But I just wanted to
ask you about your squad and the thirty three that
you named. If you were independent of one another, all
of the coaches, yourself, and all of your assistants to
write down thirty three names independent of one another and
(05:31):
then came together. I'm not sure that might be what
you do. How different do you think everybody's thirty three
would be? Would you have twenty nine in common? Twenty
five in common, twenty nine in common?
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I'd tell you you down to two or three four,
depending depending what's important to you. So what we do.
We done a lot of work on the guy's character,
how courageous to aur and what crafts. So we used
three c's as a model, and then everyone sees sometimes
craft different, you know, like I've got a lot of
footwork like a fend and really good bumps and keep
(06:02):
their feet alive and anticipate. I watched Type Forwards a
lot to make sure that they've got the ability and
skill set, not just set peace. Jase loves the set piece,
loves a penalty, and he also lights a line out
and cleans and stuff. But we all see things differently.
But the non negotiables the character of the player, you know,
(06:22):
on and off the field, champion, off on tough, worry
just just will get into it and be really brutal.
And so then you break it down and then some
people see something in other players. So those are the
conversations you've got to have, you know, you break it down,
how's it going to complement our team? Are they test ready?
Will they step up straight away? Have they got the craft?
(06:42):
And how can you do they need a week with
us before or a couple of weeks before us, and
you bring them in the next series. There's lots of
little things you go over, but majority of the players
pick themselves through their own performance. Wonderful.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
It's a thirteen past one. Scott raiser Robertson is in studio.
We invited calls. I'll get Marked to put these calls
to where as we need to do so. So Mark first,
first up as Mark, can you hear us there? Mark,
I'm just going to try and get Mark on the air.
I might get you to do that for me, Mark Kelly.
(07:17):
Just while we're organizing that. A couple on text. There's
a great one that came through here with Damien McKenzie
and Bot and Barrett both available and playing very slightly
but different styles. What specifically are you looking for in
your starting ten? Is it about form, experience, symmetry with
other players or the game plan you want the all
(07:38):
Blacks to play? So wow, the Texas that's the text. Yah,
So those you're ten and why detailed?
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Probably all of them in their own you know, and
what's in front of you. Obviously, we gave d Mech
a really good crack last year. We wanted to give
him as much opportunities to learn his craft. And we
know he's curageous, don't we, you know, And we know
the only way you really learn about yourself is at
that moment under the heat. And we did some a
great job in the same with Bowden techically aware still
(08:08):
at thirty three, play the good footy physically and great
next So we've got the balance of the two is perfect.
They both run the game slightly differently, both can come
off the bench, and both can play ten and fallback,
so they compliment each other really well.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Good stuff, all right, I think we can get these
calls on now Mark. Have we got Mark on the
air there? Okay, we're just still having a couple. Okay,
I'm clicking them, I am clicking him and he's not
coming to air, So that's that's an odd one. We'll
go back to some questions that I have here. We
are going to get to the phones. We promised that
you could call, and you talked about players making the
step up. How do you know how do you know
(08:45):
that actually we can't go back to Mark? Well, Mark,
we'll put Mark to wear shortly. How do you know
a guy can make a step on and off the field.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
That's just part of your your gut feeling, and you
see them through super seasons, super season and even coming
into finals. You know, some people just step up to
the occasion. The bigger the game, the bigger involvements, you know,
test food is a game of collisions and so those
a lot of finals footy, you know, pressure to pressure moments,
high ball, kick long, you know who's going to break first,
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and they step up and and I've got to talk
about Wallace because that's what he did, you know, like
you obviously with the Chiefs Hurricanes game at the Caketon
last year, like he was phenomenal and we've been watching him,
we've seen him and as a young man when you
physically it was in good condition, but wow, that was
the moment. You run, you keep packing it up and
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you stepped up in that moment.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
All right, third time Lucky, I'm sure we can get
Mark this time.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Mark.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
What's your question for Raiser?
Speaker 6 (09:45):
I'll kind of celibris to make it short. How are
you going to Scott? Have you thought have you planned
to hear about the next World cupital.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
With the French?
Speaker 6 (09:55):
How are you going to count with them?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
It's a big question, but you know, yeah, we always
World Cups as a natural cycle, especially for contracting as
well and for players. They look at World Cups when
she's enough. We've got a couple of years after the
Lions tour, which is unique for the people's career, especially
to play a couple of them. But you work back
like I said before about getting four deep, you know,
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and changes really quickly the laws making our games fast, faster,
with the line outs, with the scrum, the ball and
place higher. So you've got to be highly skilled and
really fit. So you look at guys and big men
that have got all those So you're talking about your
depth and then who's got the ability to be resilient
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for a long period periods of time and play a
couple of positions. So we're looking at from that point
of view, but also looking at the laws and the
laws of the game. And it's trending great for us
because we've got a highest skilled team and part of
this year is to build that the depth and give
guys like we have an opportunity in this series with
the French.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Thanks very much for kicking us off.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Mark.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Let's go to Stuart. You've got a question for Razor Stuart.
Speaker 8 (11:03):
Yes, thanks for the opportunity, gentlemen, coach, I know it's
not good to jump too far ahead. With the French
arriving on a couple of YouTube channels. I keep an
eye on the spring Bok, the Spring box and they
look pretty fearsome and organized. Are we ready for this
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rugby storm? Coming from South Africa?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
I look ruddy in the last six years coming to
a seventh year. You know, he's built a pretty pretty
incredible depth and a squad, really clear identity, and they
know how they're going to play. They're coming through the
front door. It's it's quite it's quite clear. And what
they do you know, in the ability. You know, obviously
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last year we had it came down to a one
score game. At the end of it, we leave them
by you know, there's ten points and we wanted to
move them around the field and whole ball for long
periods of time and just a couple of little moments
as I mentioned before, which changes test match. We didn't
quite go our way. Discipline is really really important around it,
So look, you've got to give full respect him. They
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know they're hare going to play, and we know how
we're going to play, and we've we've just got to
do it for that eighteen minute period and make sure
we have a twenty three that carry out that game plan.
But yeah, we've got the skills in the players to
ready for fifth September.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Thank you very call Stuart a lot on text asking
about selection and Ethan Black at a lot of Cantabrians
listening to the show not selected in your thirty three
and then when Wallace was unfortunately injured and couldn't take
part in the French series, you brought Dalton Papaletti and
why Dalton and not Ethan?
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Both genuine options, both her experienced as well. Ethan was
unavailable medically, had that conversation with him and so it
was Dalton's opportunity to come in. But look, we know
Ethan and how much output he puts into the game,
and like he's in, he takes the character box. He's no,
not about that. He's a hell of a man. So
here's some tough calls.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
He all right, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
our number one twenty will take a break. There is
a spear line there which won't last very long. I
can tell you your questions for Scott Raiser Robertson until
two Here at News Talks EDB. We're back after this.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Good old Black's head coach Scott Robinson taking your calls
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Speaker 2 (13:29):
News Talk zed B.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
One twenty three. Just before we go back to the lines,
very quick selection question. How close was chiefs Lucy Simon
Parker to selection prior to getting injured.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
He here's a lot of interest in them. Looky, he's
a big body, six foot five and one hundred and
twenty kilos. It's it's hard not to watch them. He
was in good form and we just played because he's
hasn't had his chance to get his body continual matches
and he did through the season. So yeah, he's on
the watch list for sure. Good to hear.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
All right, let's go back to the lines. Deane, your
question for Raiser?
Speaker 9 (14:00):
Hello, this cangch relations first of all, and all of
this teeth of the season are the legacy you're left
with Canterbury carries on. They started for a season, but
now they're right back, so that's wonderful. But what I
wanted to ask you the high kick that you see
down repeatedly, where the last man and the mall puts
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his legs stretch right back, the balls stuck under and
no one can come around, and it's advertised for like
you could make a cup of tea before they kick it.
Why don't people, why don't players get back behind the
ball to stop the other teams coming forward and gain
them momentum. If the player misses the ball or even
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when he catches it, he gets hit by a mountain
of players and quite often the ball gets turned over.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Yeah, it's one of the beautiful parts of your job,
but you just call it a bit of art Dean.
It's out for the half back in those leagues. It's
quite still of Bellerina like, isn't it how they come through?
But one thing is contestable kicking at the skill set
of half packs being able to kick the exec link
it's likely twenty seven meters depending on how high they
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can cut. Like Roy Gag can float it like a
helium blow and gun. He just floats up there and
then with no escorting. Now you can start getting tap becks.
It's a little bit more afl like, but that's a
really it's an important part of the game because you
can put pictures straight back on the half the other
other team rather than just kicking along and then the
balls in their hands and they can either run it
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back or quick long Beck in your twenty two. So
that little structure we put a lot of work into.
We didn't quite get a couple of right last year
and it cost us so you could have fallen in
love with it. Part of the game there thing.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, good on you, Dan, thanks for your call. Really appreciated.
A paid of Hamer A question for Razor.
Speaker 10 (15:49):
Yeah, Scott, thanks for taking the time. A couple of
things I'm interested in So love seeing Dukes and Jimmy
Tabanaway in there. And I'm not only part of.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
The jigsaw puzzle, but.
Speaker 10 (16:04):
Their ability, you know, test level turnovers are at a premium,
their ability on the defensive turnover. I'm just interested in
how big a fact that that wasn't picking those guys.
They've had good seasons. And number two, you see the Africans,
they play how they play, even though they've got all
these guns like Cheslin and whatnot and Orenzo. But those
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little guys are so good at recovering their kicks that
even this morning. You know they're little, but they and I.
Speaker 11 (16:36):
Feel like you diffuse their kick chase.
Speaker 10 (16:39):
You're going a long way to diffuse in the box. Yeah,
we've got quite a big We've got quite a big
test thumb, I mean in partner Sea no pressure. Yeah,
thanks to take the time again.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
You shared that question really well. Thanks for finishing with it.
But yeah, it's you're right. I think. Do you see
talking about how specifically your hey can stop the game
and it's head county with his timely turnovers. But his
discipline and self control was huge this year, like one
of the least penalized players. And his technic technically I
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showed the pictures of the reef wanted to see, so
he got a lot of return off it. And same
with Timothy, you know, like he's he's pretty incredible both
sides of the ball. His power, he came out of
the gate and super the great thing for him he
just kept going, just kept going around the corner, in
the corner and keep going. And you know he was gaged.
He was so big for that on his team. And
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what was the last part of the question, ticking. It's
quite interesting, a pretty hummer around that the you know
seventh players come back into our game, like you know,
got Bill Buddy that the French winger are in. There's
Chieslin Colby, like Lee, Roy Carter thus sevens parts that
have come back into into rugby fifteen's that the tough,
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the great round, the breakdown, the good kick, chase stuffy.
They used to tackling six six feet jeans above the knee,
you know, one on one, so you know the ability
to transition and to test fully. But more importantly they've
got speed which gives them creates more opportunities and a
lot of others, you know, like Leroy Carter's fastest and
New Zealand from statistically, you know he's it's pretty incredible
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the opportunities that come just for a speed and those
boys in the spring box are transitioned back credibly.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Well was he close, Leroy Carter?
Speaker 4 (18:30):
He was in the picture too, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
A part of Harma. Thank you for your call. Let's
get back to the lines. Mark your question for Razor.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Yeah, hey, final you raiser Richie mcwaania. Do you see
him starting at number ten at the next World cume?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Uh? Like I see Richie. It's a valuable part of
New Ermobian and when he when he's back, we can
we know what he can do and we've got a
couple of great tens at the moment as well, experienced
and with Richie experience as well, so that that's good,
and we've obviously got to get the next group coming
through as well. Just the intry picked. We're in love.
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You know, he's got a beautiful balance between ten and fifteen.
And when the hurricanes put him in there, we're you know,
we're watching like everyone else, and he just stood up
to it and he's matured nicely. So we've got four
good teams at the moment. So and we're looking at
fift and six as you always do.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Thanks for your question, Mark, Let's keep going. It's almost
hung up on you there, Phil, Phil your question for Raiser, Oh.
Speaker 12 (19:31):
Don't do that money? Yeah, good guys, and who we are?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Oh go ahead now we're good Phil. Thanks you, it's
on you excellent.
Speaker 12 (19:42):
Oh just for ask my question, Raiser. I met I
met your appearance a number.
Speaker 13 (19:46):
Of years ago.
Speaker 12 (19:47):
Years ago. I bought a golf club off your old man.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
There.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
We're going to be a very cover of the fire service.
It was one of the two.
Speaker 14 (19:54):
Oh yeah, he can love.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
I love this golf mate. He's passionate about if the
masters are on you, you don't see him for four days.
Speaker 12 (20:02):
Yeah, oh well I can relate to that on a
golfer and he threw and a few gold as well.
He said, hey, I have half a dozen of these
as well, and he was very proud of you. He said,
I look at this photo. Do you know this guy?
Speaker 11 (20:11):
He's my boy.
Speaker 12 (20:14):
My question is that I don't know if it's appropriate
question because it's just a curiosity question for me, and
I've talked to Pointy about it. I'm just wondering why
a guy like what holds or stops or is stopping
a guy like Tom Christie from getting becoming an All
Black because I think he's a fantastic player, and I
(20:35):
think he's good enough, but you would know better than me.
But he performs week in and week out to such
a high standard for the Crusaders, and I just wondered
what what what holds him back or what it is?
It just that he's in a big bull fighting against
other players.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I think you sort of answered it yourself. For one
thing is he's tough and consistent. You know, I've known
him since he came out of school, Tom, so you know,
work with them closely, and he just keeps tuning up
each week. He's he's cleaned a lot of his game
up and his skill set and stuff, and you know
that's guys like him are just so important for super rugby,
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you know, in New Zone rugby, and he goes back
in such an incredible leader for his province and he
makes you know Super rugby what it is this year.
We know how great the viewers, the balls. He must say,
Mutch rugby like this for so long and it just
gives you how much enjoyment you know that games and
good Nick, and he's one of the reasons.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Thanks for your call, Phil, appreciate it very much. Do
you have a more defined sense of your game plan
this year ras A, given the ball carriers, the impact
players that you've selected.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Yeah, we did last year to an extent. I think
a lot of our games will stopped looking because just
the discipline and we didn't quite as you know, it's
pro well documented that second half stuff we'd get well,
we lead every team at halftime, so there was some
you know, you can get caught on things and my
job is to keep the course. And you know we
want to play fast because we've got the skill set
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to do that. We've got the game where it's trending
with the stoppages and play and quick ball and quick
line out, et cetera, and the athletes to do it
so ball and play lots of short passes and doing
it fast and you know where as we mentioned, a
year better for it.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
And Jeordie's back and how do you think he is
looking and the experience of playing at Leinster? What do
you what can we expect to see from Jordi and
twenty twenty five in a black jersey.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Well, he's got a nice little tan on at the
moment the hemisphere ten he's come back with a glow
up from my island and he's but he's good, like
he's a coach, you know, he's a player.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Coach, you know, like he just knows the game so
well and you see that game. I watch this game
and it's like golf for him. He's a real fan.
He's a fan of rugby, is a fan of golf.
He knows anything about everyone else is talking about AFL
like he knew every team and every player else. So
he's a deep thinker. But when you get him on
the field or you know, what he shares to you
and what bit of gold, how we just discusses and talks,
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he's another part of your coaching group, and we know
how valuable was it for him mentally, and he's in
great physical neck coming back from good to hear.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Let's get back to the lines and get some more
questions coming your way. Mark, you're up. What's your question
for Raser?
Speaker 4 (23:24):
How are you?
Speaker 8 (23:25):
I am?
Speaker 14 (23:27):
I really enjoyed the team.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
The other day?
Speaker 14 (23:29):
You know, good squad. You've got but one thing.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
I didn't see my name.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
And for the water boys, you know I do pick
the water bottles.
Speaker 14 (23:38):
But not for the obacks.
Speaker 9 (23:40):
When am I going to get the call up?
Speaker 4 (23:42):
We've got a fitting process that we're to go through.
We're currently doing it at the moment, So we'll come
back to your things.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Match, you keep your head and the ring there. Mark,
keep going at a local level, and who knows you
might get the call. We've got your number. We've got
your number. Clive, your question for Raser?
Speaker 6 (23:57):
Here?
Speaker 7 (23:57):
Good afternoon, guys. Listen. The frustration is the red cards situation. Now.
I've seen red cards for very similar events with very
different results. One where it's considered accidental and one where
you get a red card. Sam Kine in the World
Cup the last World Cup would be an example of that.
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I've seen one recently and Super Rugby where it was
a ricochet, so the guy that ricocheted into the ball
holder had had no hope of avoiding it a red card.
But I'm curious what do you guys get by way
of feedback from either the judiciary or the refereeing whoever
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looks after that that, because it must be frustrating for
you as the coach.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Scott, Yeah, it can be the first thing. I'll just
like to to say, Clivers, we focus on what we
can control and it's our technique, so how can we
be technically ready? So we were not in a position
where you were going to a TMO. But if we
do so, you practice as best you possibly can to
be safe and like I said, around their self control.
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So everyone's got different ways in different styles, but we've
got to show that to the ref can consistently now
with the yellow card that's on report that slowly always evolves,
so they're trying to speed the process up as much
as they can, but also protect players. Now that's the
balance of the two. They've got to get the health
of the players right and the laws of the game right,
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but also the speed. And you could see that it's
evolved probably from Sam Kaine's example. You know that would
have been on you know, was a read and the
end that was probably going to be on report and
in today in Asia would have just been a twenty
minute And I think that's where they've got two over
the years, and we're in a good place at the moment.
It feels like it's changing all the time, because it
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probably is, but they are evolving it so it can
be like I said, fast clean, everyone understanding, everyone's healthy.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Good on your Live. Thanks for bringing up a pertinent issue.
We carry on, Jason, you're up next. What's your question
for Raiser?
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Oh, go Chips, Yeah, question for Rasa. I was just
curious about player psychology. Actually, I recall back in the
back in the day, so the Richard McCort era was
always a huge edge that the All Blacks had. I
remember that that psychology component being quite key. And with these,
as you were saying right as earlier, the seven teams,
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the top seven not much between them anymore. I'm just
wondering how that's innovated, especially under your under your current leadership.
And yeah, if that's still such a focus, yeah, oh for.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Sure, that's a massive part of the game understanding yourself.
We've got Doctr kre Evans, who's yeah, clinical psychologists in
the forensics criatus. Oh, he's got a lot of leaders
after his name anyway, a lot of study and he's
been around and played one hundred games for the All
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Whites and football and been around the All Backs for
a long period of time. And he does a lot
of work individually and then the team as well. So
a lot of your mental stuffs tying back into your
identity and who we are. But then also what do
you need you know? Do you become extremely frustrated quickly
or do you become too passive? Do you like where
do you sit individually? So if you make an era
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or if you don't make an era, or how can
you be right on the spot where you need to
be for each game and each moment? How can your
distractions the skill set and the tools that you can
get back to being present in the moment. So we
do a lot of work on it. It's a big
part of all sport and in mental health in general.
A lot of care goes during the in the weekendo.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
It Thanks for your call, Jason, It's just on twenty
three away from two. We'll take a quick break, come
back with more of your calls. Scott Raiser Robinson with
us until two o'clock here on News Talks, edb.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
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I think.
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Speaker 3 (28:09):
That'd be it's the most scrutinized. More questions to come.
I just want to ask you about Club Rugby because
your name just squad at the Coastal Rugby Club. Many
of your players spent time at Club Rugby yesterday. I've
seen some wonderful footage on the All Black Socials about that.
How important is club rugby to you as far as
the New Zealand rugby ecosystem is concerned.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Oh, it's critical pathway, isn't it? From schools to club
and clubs another home for everyone. You know where you
belong and you have so many memories and generational moments
that that you want to connect with, you know, and
going out there was a big, big part of it
at the beach on yesterday was beautiful to the Heather family.
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You know, with Corey last year, what happened was pretty
tough on all the rugby community and just to go
and connect with them and just shown appreciation that. You know,
there were so many all back jersies running around and
they were just you're just so proud that we could
go out there and we're pleased we could as well.
It was amazing. Good on you.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Let's go back to the lines, John, you got a
question for Raiser, Yeah.
Speaker 15 (29:06):
Rasa, I'll ask you about selecting Anton Lennard Brown when
he hasn't played and I don't know when he's going
to be ready to play again when you've got guys
like Brandon Eno, who I thought hit a particularly good
season at the center.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Yeah, he did look will be available after a couple
of tests. It's good hunt for him to come and train,
obviously because he can play in those Fist Cup of tests.
We brought the money and there's a wing, so that
sort of bounced out that they're back three for us.
But he's extremely experienced. He's been for because he's been
in the game for so long and he can play
a couple of positions, even three positions. He's l available
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to us, so that was a decision we made there.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Good on your Thanks John for your call. Josh, you
got a question for Razor?
Speaker 14 (29:53):
Yeah, Hirasa tab Nawai. Did you pick him as a
as a second fiber or at least forward? I'm thinking he's.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
A bit of a hybrid, isn't he check them on
the side of this gum. Look, he's in anticipation to
get on the balls. Pretty incredible. He's got the mindset
and he's got those little pumpers that he just gets
over the ball like at Land Crab and he just
locks in and he can turn that ball over. He's Yeah,
he's differently a powerful player. Good at the breakdown.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
We'll keep going. James out of the Lovely Hawks, Bay,
what's your question for Raser?
Speaker 11 (30:28):
Thanks finally, Raiser, just I feel like I'm speaking on
behalf of a lot of the easy on rugby public here,
But what I want to know is why do the
selectors persist on playing Rico Yuanni at center? My mind,
he was a brilliant winger.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
For the All Blacks.
Speaker 11 (30:44):
He's scored a lot of tries and I just don't
feel that we've seen him be the player he was
as center, and I don't know what I just I'm
baffled as to why the selectors persist with him in
that position.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Yeah, look, a lot of the games he finished on
the wing last year when we were mindful of the
combinations who started. We had lost seven hundred Test caps
last year and there's a lot of experience, so that
was part of part of the reason we paid them
there and then eased them back into the back end
on the wing and post all the super rugby it's
sent to as well, and then that's how we started.
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But in the year he did pay wing and like
I said, to play a couple of positions really critical
and he can definitely get on the wing and finish tries.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Just on the center position. With my Hurricanes fan hat
on Billy Proctor, is he pushing hard for that thirteen
jersey this year?
Speaker 4 (31:39):
He's playing good, he's playing great footy, He's got his
body and great nick. He's matured young dad and he's
really consistent, so he's definitely got an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Good to hear sp be lying there. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty with you and to seek John.
The other thing I just that occurred to me at
the back end of Super Rugby was there seemed to
be some real passion, some real feeling between opposition sides.
I wouldn't say it boiled over into dislike or hatred
or anything like that, but these guys were clearly determined
to beat one another. When they come together in the
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all Blacks camp, Is that something you have to manage?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Nah, they go and hug each other and kissing cattle.
I think it's more a sign of the competitiveness, what
they care about, where they belong, when they come from.
But you know, the black jersey unite you. The team
Black comes in and then that competition is done. Now
on representing my country. So you need that, you need
the rivalry, you need all those things to come together.
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So you know, you've got heroes and villains. You know,
got storylines and that makes it. The people love the
theater of it. But when it's it's done and you
move on.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Are you're okay with your players having personalities, displaying their
personally and you always were an exuberant personality yourself. Because rugby,
like any sport, needs narratives, doesn't it. You're happy for
guys like Reco are you Artie to get on social
media and stir things up a little bit.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Look, Rique, Look he's actually he's a good man. He
plays that game a little bit. You You probably one
joker in your team, aren't you. You know, and he's
that guy entice his people. But you know, look that
the other side to him is an incredible professional. He's
deeply about who he's playing for, works really, really hard,
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and he's played a hell a lot of rugby in
the last ninety ten years. And you know when he
rang and said, look, I would like to go to Dublin,
and fellow Georgia was like, you repeat that, man, that's awesome.
You know, you know he'll be a better player for that,
and the opportunity created for himself for being so consistent
to get away will be No. I'm great to stick
for him.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Back to the lines we go, Hi, John, you're your
question for Razor?
Speaker 9 (33:54):
Yeah, the Razor?
Speaker 6 (33:55):
Did you did you watch them?
Speaker 8 (33:57):
Mary or Breaks?
Speaker 9 (33:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
How good? How talented? Are they? So good to see.
Speaker 8 (34:03):
And what a very little first live.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Rivers Rahana.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Listeners from.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
I used to play with his dead and Bruce. He
was a hell of a player himself. You can see
all the traits in the character has come through. He's
coming up ag and nicely.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Good stuff. John, Thanks, indeed, we'll get a couple more
in George, Hi, mate, wats your question for Raiser.
Speaker 13 (34:32):
And hey, thanks plenty for giving us so much public
access to Razor. It's awesome, Hey, Rasor christ for you.
As a follow up to that Bully Proctor comment before
Rico was obviously preferred last year, it seems so what
what was he offering more last year than then? What
Billy wasn't in with the with a lot of talk
Scott Hanson the net at the selection about wanting to
(34:53):
go a lot wider this year and get into the
space that suits Billy came for just the comment of
Belie versus on the third a jumper.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Yeah, this is probably the big thing with Ricky, just
as his experience. And I suppose you have to pay
pass to get experience and that's the balance that you
do and you win the Test. You're trying to win
the Test match in front of you, so to get
the balance of it. But the great thing is Billy's
paid buddy well this year and he's kept the pressure
on us, you know, and we'll get the best out
(35:23):
of both of them. And I think, you know, pick
them for in the right positions we feel it is
to win for our country.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Good on you, George. Just on Super Rugby. No enforced
rest this year. Didn't say guys need to only play
six matches in a row and then and then not
play again. Rico started every game for the Blues Quartie summer,
Penny Finale played every game for the Chiefs Dupes and
cam roy Gard every game for the Hurricanes. Any concerns
about their loading as you go into the Test season.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
One thing I did when we first come and I
want to try and change the narrative around it, Like
you know, it's all about rest. That's sort of gone,
hasn't it in the last couple of years. I wanted
to individualize it because you you want to get the
best out of players. Some players have been injured the
year before and they had to have five games in
(36:11):
the rest, but some games some players just need six, seven,
eight games. So those guys were managed in the back,
in the background. They still played where they needed to,
but they were they were managing the background of off
the field with their training still to get the best
out of them, so more individualized to get the best
out of them. So you learned by playing, you get
better by playing. And everyone was different. Some players had
(36:36):
less some but it wasn't made public so we didn't
have an article. And even goes of All Backs aren't watching,
so I'm not watching. Start playing, so I'm not watching.
Excuse me? So yeah, the narratives changed a little bit
and it's working here.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Good stuff. Just on eleven away from two, one more
break and then back with our final few minutes with
All Blacks coach Scott Robertson here on News Talks.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
He'd be.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
For your question to the coach All Blacks coach Scott
Robertson taking your calls on eight hundred eighty Weekends Sport
with Jason Lyne and GJ Gunno, New Zealand's most trusted
home builder News Dogs.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
That'd be seven and a half away from two. Man
the hour has flown by. So we're getting ready for
a test series against France. Do you know you're starting
fifteen before the squad assembles? Are the first test on me?
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Yep? Yeah? Well yes or no? You're sort of eighty
percent there. Obviously, there's some medicals and scans to have
after finals and you and you sort of try and
work out the whole test series. Get a field who
can play so we can play all of the players.
Ideally that that's the intention. Doesn't sometimes always work that way.
And then you know you have your first twenty three
(37:45):
and what is it going to work off off the
back of that, So then you can start getting commodations, training,
et cetera.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
You mentioned before, and it's well documented every test you
lost last year you let it half time. So is
that finishing the last twenty minutes or whatever it might
be that has it been a real focus ahead of
twenty twenty five?
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yep? Yeah. You stage it into your trainings and you
make people aware of it and what does it look like,
and you know, how do we react to it? And
so you start training those daily habits part of it,
and just more important in your mindset, you know, we'll
probably stop playing a little bit. Sometimes sometimes you've overplayed,
sometimes the discipline wasn't great. So it's not just one thing,
but the awareness of it, and then you put it
(38:23):
into training as much as you can and all the
mental skill stuff as well.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
I mean you must sit there in the first half
of the year watching Super Rugby, watching the eighteen rounds
of it and then the finals and think, man, can
I just get my hands on these guys? And now
you have got them. We're less than a week out
from the first Test. How are your emotions? How excited
are you to get the Test season started?
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Yeah? Look, my job is to takes away as many
distractions as possible, so we're really clear and free in
mind so we can play. We've got incredibly talented group
that care deeply about it. So how do you set
them up in the game? How do you send them
off the field so when they come under the roof
we can play fast and showcase that and deal with
any adversity that comes along. So are you excited? You
(39:03):
have all the plans in place, but you still got
to depth and a just as you go along. Test
theories are different. You know, you don't often get to
pay three the same team three times in a row,
so their own narratives. You know Test series, you know
the French teams, what it is that they'll be French.
You will just play who's in front of us? With
majority of the focuses on us. We know how they're
going to play from the last few years, you know,
(39:27):
and they'll bring the fair.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
And it's your intent to give everybody a game that's year.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
As I mentioned before that that's the intent to give
you guys as many as an opportunity to pay in
these three test series here.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
All right, So finally before we go, as I said before,
it's amazing that you make yourself available to come in
and take calls and interact with the fans, and no
doubt you get plenty of that when you're just out
in about getting your cold or at at an airport
or whatever you might be. It feels to me anyway
as though you do embrace that. Though you do, and
(40:02):
I presume that filters down you are keen for everybody
that's you know, to be involved in the All Blacks
and what you're about.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Yeah, look, I'm a public figure, so I'm going to
get public feedback. And the opinions are great because it
means people care about our game and it's the national
sport and you're nationally recognized and you know, look, you
ever seen around together we walk, which was a bigger
part of it. I wanted the country to realize that
we're representing them. So if I'm out in public walk
and this gay's walked together and and I say that
(40:32):
connected so terrorism that people can see, you know, the
ardis the Scott Barrett's that whoever's there that they're real
they can achieve it. And in you know, keep that
idolizing of the all blacks and connected.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
When he off to donate and Tuesday is it?
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Yeah, Tuesday Tuesday down South fantastic.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Well again, Rasa, thank you for taking the time to
pop in and and fill us all in. It's been
been awesome to Jetty you hope of enjoyed interacting with
our listeners as well on the phone. Heaps of texts
we couldn't get to, but we wish you all the
best for the the year ahead, starting with France and
Dunedin next Saturday. Look forward to seeing you down there.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Thanks for having me. Thanks to everyone listening as well.
Appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Scott Raizor Robertson in studio with us. That's two years
in a row. He's done it.
Speaker 13 (41:18):
Well.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Let's hope that a year from now we can we
can do it again. I won't make you commit to it,
but could you commit to it next year, just do it.
Go on there, Scot Roberts Alive and studio News, Sport, Weather.
Next here at News Talks EDB at two.
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