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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
It's been handled a five second time penalty and has
therefore lost his points finish from Formula one's Miami Grand
Prix sprint race. After qualifying fourteenth, Lawson looked to have
finished seventh in the eighteen lap affair shortened by one
lap due to rain, but the key we is judged
to have been at fault for an incident with Aston
Martin's Fernando Alonso, who crashed in the final lapse of
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the race. Now, Lawson himself didn't believe that he was
at fault for the incident. He spoke about it shortly
after the finish of the sprint race.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
He came out on cold tires and I'd done a lap,
so I was trying to get by him early in
the lap. Made sure my wheel was ahead at the apex,
wouldn't try and overtake, and I feel I did that
and then I got six squeezed off, so obviously not
my intention, but I do feel like my wheels ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
So seventh in the sprint would have netted Lawson two
points and betters his ninth placings from gromp in Singapore
in twenty twenty three and Austin and Brazil last year,
but not to be He will start fifteenth meantime in
tomorrow's main race after being eliminated in the second session
of qualifying for the second consecutive day. Let's talk some
motorsport and two of my favorite motorsport writers have assembled.
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I've summoned them and I have answered the call. You
can read them both at enzidherld dot co dot MZ.
Eric Thompson and Alex Powell. Alex, can we start with you?
What happened that led to Liam Lawson being given the
time penalty?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Afternoon piney hope you are mate. Yeah, it's a bit
of a funny one, isn't it, Because I mean, you
look at the steward's official ruling. They consided that Lawson
was ahead at turn twelve. I think if you watch
the replays you see that. But because a lot SOO
was a head at turn eleven, he was the sort
of the lead car and because of that, Lawson was
in the wrong for forcing him off the track.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
And so it was the correct decision that was handed out.
Eric Thompson, welcome to you. You agree with that that
it was correct of the official rus to hand loss
in the time penalty.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
I mean I never really, honestly, Piny and Hi Alex
never really quite understand some of the machinations of the officials.
I mean, as Alex said, you know, like Alonso was
deemed to be a head in turn eleven and then
to use that as some sort of metric to pass
down a ruling for the following corner. I just thought
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it was a bit odd. But I mean, Lim and
Alonso had a bit of history, of a bit of
will to will argie bargie, But I mean, I think
it's a bit harsh. But you know, something about officials
and sort of looking at things and ruling things, and
you know, going back to the previous corner, I find
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that very odd.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
All right, Well, even putting that to one side, that
happened after the race had finished, Alex, how much confidence
will Liam Lawson take from the fact that he actually
drove the car pretty well, I'm pretty fast during the
sprint race.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
I mean, I hope he takes a lot of confidence
from it, because he needs it at the moment. You
look at how difficult this Miami track is to actually
overtake on Liam Lawson passed five cars on the opening
of app alone, Like, that's not easy to do. He's
going to be starting a bit further back than he was.
I mean, he's starting fifteenth compared to fourteenth, so it's
not too much. But if there's rain then I think
it really will bring him into it. But I mean,
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at this point in the season, where so many things
have gone wrong for him, you just don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Are you seeing improvements in Liam's driving?
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Yeah, I'll beck, Alex. I'm saying even in Liam's post race,
Chaddy just said something just things just opened up for
me and he went for it. And sometimes that just
happens in sort of motorsport. The thing is where you
just see this gap through everybody else that hasn't launched
off the line as well as you have. And he
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hooked the car up really really well and drove really
well and to finish, you know, well, think he'll take
a lot of confidence from finishing, you know in seventh.
You know, despite his penalty, he did finish like on
the track in seventh, so and he was on par
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with his teammate. And you know that's the thing is
you and I have talked about Piney that is that
the only person you really want to beat in a
race is your teammate, and he managed to do that.
Tomorrow night's race feature race loads more distance and he's starting,
you know, just be he's pretty much similar to where
he started in the sprint race. He'll have a lot
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more time to manage the race and hopefully get through it.
And I think if it rains that that will change
the whole diy okay rain dion' the sprint race, but
it'll change the dynamics of it quite a bit. So
I reckon he'll go okay, Alex.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Are you seeing improvements? So he's been in the racing
Bulls car for what three or four Grand Prix? Now
are you seeing improvements? Are you seeing a lift in
confidence from Liam Law's.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Confidence is hard to say because you know, we don't
really get to speak to Liam during a Grand Prix weekend.
But in terms of the way he's been driving, if
you watch that practice session, remember this was the only
practice session that the drivers actually get for the weekend,
but every lap he betted his last lap, So it
is a track he's still learning. Remember, like the tricky
part of this first part of the season was there
are so many tracks that Liam just hadn't driven on before.
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You So you think of Melbourne, you think of Shanghai,
and those were the two that he drove for red
Bull before he was unfortunately moved back to race more
was but those were the ones he'd never driven on before.
And then Miami's a similar one. So if that sprint
race just turns out to be another learning experience for him,
I think it will. Actually, as Eric pointed, to hold
him in good stead for a longer race.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Can I start with you aout At what point? Does
it it like he just needs points on the board,
right and these would have been points on the board
for him. Will it be, you know, something that just
sits on his shoulder there until he actually finally gets
some points on the board.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I think absolutely, Like every driver wants to be scoring points.
I also think a lot is being made of the
fact that this cars not scoring points because of how
well his teammate Isaac Hadjar is doing. Let's not forget
that this Racing Bolls team and this sort of car
set up only finished eight out of ten in the
Constructor's Championship last year. Like it's not a car that
will consistently challenge for points that will get the odd result.
But I think if you're going to judge Liam Lawson
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based on scoring points every week and then you are
giving him or putting him on a bit of a
hiding to nothing.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So what should our realistic expectations be then, Erica, are
we are we in a situation where we should just
accept that Liam Lawson's going to finish in the teams
most of the time.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Yeah, he's and Challex's point absolutely right. The car is
not a rocket ship. It really isn't a race winning car,
but it doesn't mean that, you know, if all of
the cards fall the right way, that you can't actually
end up in the top ten. And Liam has scored
points in Formula One, you know, it's not as if
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he doesn't know how to score points. Like last year
you proved you can score points. I just think it's
a bit like the tracks. He's not familiar with street circuit.
Basically they're racing in a car park, which is you know,
for anybody it's quite hard. But I think as the
season progresses, and I think if he gets towards the
summer break, the European summer break, he will have a
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few points, and once he starts getting some points, I
think consistently, if he can finish between eighth and say
twelve consistently, the season will be quite a good result.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I think for Liam, Heyte, what if you offered if
you offered Liam, and this is hypothetical, if you offered
Liam points tomorrow morning or are better finished than Hadja,
which one do you think he would take?
Speaker 5 (07:48):
I think a better result than Hadja. Having been in
competitive motorsport and my youth for many years, the thing
is if you can just stay, if you can get
ahead of your teammate, it's confidence building, it's you know,
it just bodes well. So I mean, I don't know
that that would be my call. If you can just
finish again a Hadger.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Do you think Liam Lawson's a better driver than Isaac
Hadjar and what you've seen.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Yeah, only because I've seen a lot more of Liam
than I have seen of Isaac Hadjer. But I think
the confidence really is as a shit, I'm like, we know,
like remember in Bahrain he did beat Hajjar on track,
but it was a couple of penalties that really put
him back. So it's not as though Hajar is just
completely blowing him out of the water. It's just that
Hagi has had a longer preseason in this car than
what Liam Lawson's had, and it will take him time
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to catch up. But it's just how much time he
actually gets.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
How's Yuki Sonoda going Alex in the in the Red
Bull car?
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Not flash? He scored points? What a couple of races
ago he got ninth, but then he's had a DNF.
He's out a twelfth. He qualified in the bottom five
in the sprint race, which he was upgraded to. I
think he got a points finish after all the just
qualifications were put in, But he's not exactly pulling up
trees either. I think that Red Bull car continues to
be problematic for anyone who's not called Maxistappeny.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
You'd agree, eat and look. We talked about the Constructor's
Championship and how important it is, and that's why they
made the change from Lawston to Sonoda. As Alex said,
he's not ready getting too many points either. Do we
just have to again except that Maxim Stephen's a bit
of a genius and not too many others can drive
this car.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
I think he's an absolute magician. Maxi Staffan, you know
that that pole rap he did for the main race,
for the future race was just like how against sort
of the two McLaren's and he just was just he
just seems to pull something out of the bag when
you just don't expect it. And you know, Yicki Sonodo's
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like Alix says, you know, has picked up the odd
points so far, but there's a listening. There are headstones
in the graveyard of teammates to Maxi Stapan in that car.
It's just, you know, it's just weird that car. Alex.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Does it feel to you like the pressure has come off?
Liam Lawson? It's probably a silequition. He's not in the
Red Bull, but do you feel like there's still like
quite a harsh glare on him or not?
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I think any driver in those two Red Bull teams
will have pressure on them because the goal is to
get into Red Bull. Let's not forget Red Bulls driving
or the future of Red Bulls drive on. It's by
no means secure. There's doubts or speculation that max for
Stappand might actually call it and say he's had enough,
He's just had his first child, might he want to
step away, and then Sonoda might leave as well next year,
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given that he's only with the team because Honda, the
engine supplier, have basically paid ten or sorry an eight
figure some to get him in there. So when they
leave next year, you could be looking at a space
where there are two seats available at Red Bull, and
if they are using that junior team the way it
should be used, then those two cars would be the
front runners to replace them. Whether or not that's how
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it will go is to be seen.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
On the grid and Miami E. T Lander Norris is
second on the grid. His McLaren team made oscar ps
three fourth. Are the McLaren's still the fastest cars?
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Yeah, yeah, there the benchmark. I mean, you know, like
looking at the history of Formula one, you know, some
tea means just have a time of dominance, and the
McLaren so far this year have really come into there
for and at the moment, I think it's quite interesting
watching how Norris and Pastri are not you know, they're
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not hunting each other off, you know, which I'm finding
really interesting because normally at that level in history you
look at some of the battles between teammates and championship
winning Formula One teams, there's always argibarji, there's always sort
of just going to punt each other off and drive
into everything. And I think, I don't know how Zach
Brown is doing it, but he's managing those two young
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guys extraordinarily well. And I think either one of those
guys well, they'll win the Manufacturer's Championship without without a doubt.
This year be interesting to see who wins the Driver's Championship.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Huh, all right, a prediction from you both to finish.
Liam Lawson starts fifteenth on the grid, Alex, I got
to you first, what's a good finish and where do
you think he'll finish?
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I think anything and from tenth uputs would be a
great finish. I mean, I'll nail the cost of the
master there and think with a better weather and a
bit of a clever strategy, he'll get tenth, tenth.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
There you go? All right? Et for you?
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Yeah, pretty similar. I reckon ninth or tenth if they
get the strategy right for him, because sometimes racing bills
haven't quite got the strategy right with Liam. You know,
they've rolled the dice a couple of times in it
and it hasn't worked. So hope, hopefully if the weather
plays into the strategy and they roll the dice and
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you know, double six comes up, I reckon he could
easily get into the points, all.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Right, A friendly time to watch the race thing about
eight o'clock tomorrow morning it gets under waste, so breakfast
time Formula one. Eric Thompson, Alex Powell, thank you so
much for both both of you for joining us and
lending us your expertise.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Boys a pleasure panic good on you guys.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Eric Thompson and Alex Powell read them both at inzidherld
dot co dot en zen. It is two twenty four
year racetime. Eight o'clock tomorrow morning is when they'll go.
Liam Lawson, We'll start from fifteenth on the grid. It's
hope we can make our way through the field. Let's
hope for a bit of rain from all the boys
for saying that might help him, and who knows those
first points might be in the offering in Miami tomorrow
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morning around breakfast time, New Zealand.
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