July 12, 2025 • 15 mins
Are Parents the issue at kids sport games, or is it just a minority which gains all the attention.
Our coaching guru Wayne Goldsmith joins the show to debunk the myth of parents being the problem on the sidelines of kids sport.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from newstalk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It's great to have on a regular basis on Weekend
Sport the wisdom of one of the great coaching minds
in this part of the world or any part of
the world, coaching guru Wayne Goldsmith, who joins us now
at Wayne, thanks for your time. I wanted to chat
today about what I saw you call online in the
last week or so sports biggest myth, and in your view,
(00:33):
we were the ones who created it. The myth is
that parents are the problem. You say that for decades
we have treated parents like enemies when it comes to
their kids playing sport, and then we've complained when they
became too demanding, We've excluded them, refused to educate them,
and then criticized their expectations. In fact, you believe parents
(00:54):
are actually sport's greatest untapped resource, not it's biggest problem.
So let's unpack this. Where for starters, did the parents
are the problem myth actually come from?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Well, it's an interesting one point, isn't it that I
think because there's a very very small fraction of parents
who are you know, what's the technical term ratbag parents,
the ones that run up and down the side of
the bill or run up and down the side of
the field yelling abuse.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
They're very rare.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
But I think they're disproportionately represented in media and coaching
programs and coaching courses, And when we see someone who's
really vocal but yelling at referees and so on, I
think a lot of parents have been tired. If you're
like with that brush and it sort of became all right, well,
(01:48):
then how do we manage all parents?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Not go hang on?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
There's a small number who've got some issues around being
overly invested or overly passionate, or expressing emotions in a
challenging way. I think we all got sucked into well,
all parents are be because of a very small number
who've got some genuine issues, and then that of course
(02:12):
gets grabbed on by sporting associations and media are and
it becomes easy to talk about the nightmare parent and
the horrible parent and the terror parent.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
My experience is it's a very very small.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Number, but it's got out of control to the point
where a lot of coaches will say, you know, the
best thing to do is coach next to an orphanage,
or the best thing to do is to ban parents
all together.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I don't think that's the right approach.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Now, you believe most difficult parents are simply one of
two things, or both scared and uninformed, they're not necessarily
and for the most part, they're not malicious at all.
Can you just expand on on the fact that they're
scared and uninformed, scared of what and uninformed obviously about
the sport that their kids are involved in.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Well, the most precious thing if you're a parent, even
when your kids are being annoying and always asking for
I've got eight kids and I feel like an automatic
tele machine with legs these days. But even when they're
being their most difficult and annoying and challenging, we still
love them more than our next breath. We still love
them with everything we've got. And then we in a
(03:22):
sporting context, we take them down the like a rugby
feld or netball or cricket swimming anywhere, and we're saying, look,
I'm going to entrust this beautiful, precious thing that I
value above life itself to you coach, or to you club,
or to you official. And they're nervous about well, will
(03:45):
they treat my child with a.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Saving love and respect that I do.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Will they have enough care about my child's well being,
welfare and realizing their potential.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
And it's a very nervous, nervous moment, particularly.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
If you're a young parent or a parent who's a
first time parent who hasn't had a lot of experience
with kindergarten or pre school or primary school, secondary skill.
You're not quite sure, and out of that fear of well,
will they know what to do to help my child?
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Well, what I'll do just to be sure, I'll tell
my kids what to do.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I'll step in, I'll yell out instructions from the Sideline's
that's a big one. And the other one is I
think a lot of parents just don't know what good
parenting looks like. I think they confuse good parenting with
the volume of their voice. The more they heard on
the sideline, the better they must be parenting. And it's
(04:37):
caught off in the opposite. But you know what I
find piny more and more is that you know, young
parents coming in, it's okay for old guys like me
have been in this for a long time because I've
had to work with many generations of Pearans. But for
every new parent, they're a new parent, it's their first
time and they don't know what to expect. And you know,
it's beautiful to see a lot of sports. A lot
(04:59):
of organizations are investing more and more time and resources
into educating parents, and I think their investment come back
to them many times over.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
So what is the best way then to educate and
include parents and turn them into this brilliant phrase that
I read from you, turn them into informed allies.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Well, the first thing is right from the start, Right
from the start, when a parent walks in with a child,
be really clear on your expectations as a club or
as a coach, because you know what I find by
a lot of clubs and coaches, they almost ignore this issue.
They go right, all we really care about is getting
your child in here, getting the football boots on them,
(05:41):
and getting them out on the park. And then we're
overly reactive when the parent does or says things that
we don't like. Get on the front foot right from
the start, have a parent's booklet to say, welcome to
our club. We're so happy that Susie's come along to
our netball club. Were really value having her here, but
(06:03):
we value you as well. Here's our parent's guide Sporting success.
And then you open the page and it says, welcome,
we love having you here. Next page says three things
that every parent needs to do. It'sport One, have a
great time to work with the coach. We're all part
of the same team. And three work with the other parents.
(06:23):
And former a group of support that stands with the
kids constantly. Something like that. A workbook, a guidebook, a
handout you.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Give the parents. So be clear right from the word go.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
The second thing is very important, pint he I say
to every club have a parent's support group. Have two
or three parents whose job it is to go to
all the newbies and say, hey, it's great that you're here.
We know that this is the first child you've ever
had in basketball. Listen, we've been around for a while.
These are some of the things that we've learned and
(06:56):
some of the things that will help you enjoy your
journey as a basketball parent or football parent. Even more,
that parents support group. Parents supporting other parents is a
very powerful thing to happen.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
And because they go, well, hang on, someone gets me.
The coach doesn't really want me around that much.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
But hey, this group of form of parents, they know
exactly what I'm going through. They understand how I'm feeling,
and I'll listen to them. That's such an important thing.
And the third thing is have a system where if
there's a parent problem that's of merging in your club
or your program, where you can sit down and have
a costs, or you can meet with them, or you
(07:36):
have the club president act as a mediator. I think
way too many coaches go that parent's a problem. I
don't want them here, and that's not good for the kid,
it's not good for the club, it's not good for
anybody just saying no, we don't.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Want the parents on deck.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
There's a total parent band because I don't like the
way they did this or said that.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Are there any circumstances or parts of the sporting journey
or parts of the sporting week leading into the weekends
game where parents should be excluded, should be you know,
shouldn't be included?
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Wayne, Not that I can see, really, Piney.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I think one of the again, the issue is always
around clarity, clarity of roles and responsibility. The model that
I've believed in for a long long.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Time is that.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Imagine that the potential of the child, and that's potential
as a human being for happiness and joy, potential is
them to be all that they choose to be and
athletic potential. Imagine that that's the product that we want
at the end, a happy joy for child who's expressed
everything they can, who feel safe and that they belong
(08:45):
and they're being all that they can be in that spot.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
So that's what we want is the output.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
We then form a partnership to create that of the coach,
the parent, and the athlete and the three of us.
We do our jobs like you would in any partnership.
You know, with your show, you've got your on radio,
you do the background work, the research, you do all
that stuff. But you've got somebody who's doing some of
the technical word for it, and you've got a promotions
(09:11):
group and everyone does their job to produce a great
program on the weekends. It's the same with this that
you know what a coaches do, technical leadership, physical training, tactics, selections,
all those things.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
What do the kids do?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
We want them to come and have fun, learn, enjoy
the experience and come back. What do we want parents
to do? We don't want them to do those other
two things. We want them to unconditional love, value, and support.
We want them to bring the kids on time. We
want them to love them irrespective of success or failure.
Where you know, I think again this clarity of saying
(09:47):
to a parent, this is what we need you to do,
and if you do these things, we're confident that your
child will have a wonderful journey through sport and they'll
realize their potential because of your contribution. And that clarity
of roles and responsibilities is so important.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
And that probably answers another question, and I've got here,
and that's around how kids get into particular sports, because
often the whole play sports that their parents have played,
you know, and often to a decent level. You know,
if an adult is a decent basketballer, they might want
to introduce their son or daughter to basketball because they
know the joy and the fulfillment they got out of it.
(10:24):
So what's the best way of dealing with a parent
or actually, flipp it, what's the best way to be
a parent who's played a sport to make sure that
your own child gets the benefit of coaching without you
overstepping If.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
You get what I'm asking, oh, I do how tempting
has it been for everybody involved in sport, everybody who's
played sport, because you know, you've got that connection with
the sport and you know what a wonderful sport yours
could be, yours is, and you want nothing more than
to share that with your child. So your child's playing soccer,
(10:57):
your child's playing football, and you can't avoid the temptation.
You just can't resist saying, well, when I used to play,
you know what we used to do. And I don't
know how many pets you know. Again, there's nothing.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Their parents are just sharing the joy and the love
they feel for the sport that's most important to do. However,
I say to parents, you've got to draw a line.
You've got to draw a line, which is the enthusiic
and passionate sharing of the way you feel about your sport,
with your job, but allowing them to have their own
(11:32):
experience with the sport. And believe me, if kids want
your opinion and if they want your input, they'll ask
for it. And one of the big dangers Piney, I
think younger kids, it's not such a big girl. If
you love bike riding and you like to go out
and bike riding and you think it's the greatest thing.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Of all time.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
The kids will sense you all passion and your enthusiasm
that'll rub off on them.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
They'll probably do it.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Where you've got to be really careful with this is
mid teens, because.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
All of us are wired to rebel.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
And the more that mum and dad tell me about
how good their sport is, and the more Mum and
Dad try to coach me to get better at their sport,
the least likely it is that I'm going to do
it because I want to do the exact opposite of
what they're telling me to do. They want to stop
me from going out and experiencing life. They're the ones
telling me to go to bed on time. Anything they
tell me is probably wrong. So they're going to try
(12:27):
and coach me how to be better at swimming. I
ain't going to listen to them, and in fact, I
might leave the sport to save them being in my
face constantly. If you've got parents, if you've got kids
who are in their teens, be very very careful about
giving them too much information, too much education, and too
much of what you think is important in their teens,
(12:49):
because it's likely I've pushed back the other way.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Great advice and wisdom, as always from you, weigh lots
to take away. Just before you go, something I want
to talk about with you in a future segment is
the subject of your new book, which is called The
Talent Myth Why talent Isn't Worth I'll say, but it's
a slightly different version of that available now that book.
I do want to talk about it, as I say,
(13:12):
with you in a future segment. But this is your
latest latest piece of literature.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Yes it does.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And it came from a young fellow that I was
talking to about a year ago. He had been dropped
from the school team and the school teacher who dropped
him said that you're being dropped because you're just not
talented enough to make the team. And I thought about
it deeply, Piney, I thought, how many other kids have
(13:40):
been told you're not good enough or you're not talented
enough for you're never.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Going to make it?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Then you, I mean, you meet some pretty impressive New
Zealand athletes.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
You know, all blacks and ferns, and.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
You know a lot of them you wouldn't technically classify
as super talented, but they just love playing the game,
and they're good people, and they try hard and they
give everything to it. And I thought, hang on a minute,
this talent thing. We've got this completely wrong. We're saying
the kids, if you're not Roger Frederer, well you shouldn't
(14:15):
be playing tennis. It's like saying, you know, if you
can't play like Mozart, well, don't sit behind a piano.
If you're if you're not Pericas, you're never going to
be as good as Perkasso, don't pick up a paintbrush.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
It's ludicrous.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
So I thought, I'm going to sit down and write
a book that says more than anything, to give hope
to everyone who's ever been told you're not good enough,
you're not talented enough, you.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Don't have what it takes.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
And lord, I really hope it's going to make an
impact on kids and parents and coaches and teachers, and
above all, it'll get us thinking that talent is so
much more than being big and strong and fast.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Look forward to chatting about that in a future segment,
but it's available on Amazon right now. As always, appreciate
your time, you're wisdom, your expertise. Wayne we'll catch up
again soon.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Always a pleasure, my friend, Always a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It's always a pleasure talking to you. Wayne Wayne Goldsmith
there you can. Yeah, look for his new book on
Amazon just Wayne Goldsmith and it'll turn up.
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
It's great to have on a regular basis on Weekend
Sport the wisdom of one of the great coaching minds
in this part of the world or any part of
the world, coaching guru Wayne Goldsmith, who joins us now
at Wayne, thanks for your time. I wanted to chat
today about what I saw you call online in the
last week or so sports biggest myth, and in your view,
(00:33):
we were the ones who created it. The myth is
that parents are the problem. You say that for decades
we have treated parents like enemies when it comes to
their kids playing sport, and then we've complained when they
became too demanding, We've excluded them, refused to educate them,
and then criticized their expectations. In fact, you believe parents
(00:54):
are actually sport's greatest untapped resource, not it's biggest problem.
So let's unpack this. Where for starters, did the parents
are the problem myth actually come from?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Well, it's an interesting one point, isn't it that I
think because there's a very very small fraction of parents
who are you know, what's the technical term ratbag parents,
the ones that run up and down the side of
the bill or run up and down the side of
the field yelling abuse.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
They're very rare.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
But I think they're disproportionately represented in media and coaching
programs and coaching courses, And when we see someone who's
really vocal but yelling at referees and so on, I
think a lot of parents have been tired. If you're
like with that brush and it sort of became all right, well,
(01:48):
then how do we manage all parents?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Not go hang on?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
There's a small number who've got some issues around being
overly invested or overly passionate, or expressing emotions in a
challenging way. I think we all got sucked into well,
all parents are be because of a very small number
who've got some genuine issues, and then that of course
(02:12):
gets grabbed on by sporting associations and media are and
it becomes easy to talk about the nightmare parent and
the horrible parent and the terror parent.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
My experience is it's a very very small.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Number, but it's got out of control to the point
where a lot of coaches will say, you know, the
best thing to do is coach next to an orphanage,
or the best thing to do is to ban parents
all together.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I don't think that's the right approach.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Now, you believe most difficult parents are simply one of
two things, or both scared and uninformed, they're not necessarily
and for the most part, they're not malicious at all.
Can you just expand on on the fact that they're
scared and uninformed, scared of what and uninformed obviously about
the sport that their kids are involved in.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Well, the most precious thing if you're a parent, even
when your kids are being annoying and always asking for
I've got eight kids and I feel like an automatic
tele machine with legs these days. But even when they're
being their most difficult and annoying and challenging, we still
love them more than our next breath. We still love
them with everything we've got. And then we in a
(03:22):
sporting context, we take them down the like a rugby
feld or netball or cricket swimming anywhere, and we're saying, look,
I'm going to entrust this beautiful, precious thing that I
value above life itself to you coach, or to you club,
or to you official. And they're nervous about well, will
(03:45):
they treat my child with a.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Saving love and respect that I do.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Will they have enough care about my child's well being,
welfare and realizing their potential.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
And it's a very nervous, nervous moment, particularly.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
If you're a young parent or a parent who's a
first time parent who hasn't had a lot of experience
with kindergarten or pre school or primary school, secondary skill.
You're not quite sure, and out of that fear of well,
will they know what to do to help my child?
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Well, what I'll do just to be sure, I'll tell
my kids what to do.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I'll step in, I'll yell out instructions from the Sideline's
that's a big one. And the other one is I
think a lot of parents just don't know what good
parenting looks like. I think they confuse good parenting with
the volume of their voice. The more they heard on
the sideline, the better they must be parenting. And it's
(04:37):
caught off in the opposite. But you know what I
find piny more and more is that you know, young
parents coming in, it's okay for old guys like me
have been in this for a long time because I've
had to work with many generations of Pearans. But for
every new parent, they're a new parent, it's their first
time and they don't know what to expect. And you know,
it's beautiful to see a lot of sports. A lot
(04:59):
of organizations are investing more and more time and resources
into educating parents, and I think their investment come back
to them many times over.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
So what is the best way then to educate and
include parents and turn them into this brilliant phrase that
I read from you, turn them into informed allies.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Well, the first thing is right from the start, Right
from the start, when a parent walks in with a child,
be really clear on your expectations as a club or
as a coach, because you know what I find by
a lot of clubs and coaches, they almost ignore this issue.
They go right, all we really care about is getting
your child in here, getting the football boots on them,
(05:41):
and getting them out on the park. And then we're
overly reactive when the parent does or says things that
we don't like. Get on the front foot right from
the start, have a parent's booklet to say, welcome to
our club. We're so happy that Susie's come along to
our netball club. Were really value having her here, but
(06:03):
we value you as well. Here's our parent's guide Sporting success.
And then you open the page and it says, welcome,
we love having you here. Next page says three things
that every parent needs to do. It'sport One, have a
great time to work with the coach. We're all part
of the same team. And three work with the other parents.
(06:23):
And former a group of support that stands with the
kids constantly. Something like that. A workbook, a guidebook, a
handout you.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Give the parents. So be clear right from the word go.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
The second thing is very important, pint he I say
to every club have a parent's support group. Have two
or three parents whose job it is to go to
all the newbies and say, hey, it's great that you're here.
We know that this is the first child you've ever
had in basketball. Listen, we've been around for a while.
These are some of the things that we've learned and
(06:56):
some of the things that will help you enjoy your
journey as a basketball parent or football parent. Even more,
that parents support group. Parents supporting other parents is a
very powerful thing to happen.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
And because they go, well, hang on, someone gets me.
The coach doesn't really want me around that much.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
But hey, this group of form of parents, they know
exactly what I'm going through. They understand how I'm feeling,
and I'll listen to them. That's such an important thing.
And the third thing is have a system where if
there's a parent problem that's of merging in your club
or your program, where you can sit down and have
a costs, or you can meet with them, or you
(07:36):
have the club president act as a mediator. I think
way too many coaches go that parent's a problem. I
don't want them here, and that's not good for the kid,
it's not good for the club, it's not good for
anybody just saying no, we don't.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Want the parents on deck.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
There's a total parent band because I don't like the
way they did this or said that.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Are there any circumstances or parts of the sporting journey
or parts of the sporting week leading into the weekends
game where parents should be excluded, should be you know,
shouldn't be included?
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Wayne, Not that I can see, really, Piney.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I think one of the again, the issue is always
around clarity, clarity of roles and responsibility. The model that
I've believed in for a long long.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Time is that.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Imagine that the potential of the child, and that's potential
as a human being for happiness and joy, potential is
them to be all that they choose to be and
athletic potential. Imagine that that's the product that we want
at the end, a happy joy for child who's expressed
everything they can, who feel safe and that they belong
(08:45):
and they're being all that they can be in that spot.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
So that's what we want is the output.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
We then form a partnership to create that of the coach,
the parent, and the athlete and the three of us.
We do our jobs like you would in any partnership.
You know, with your show, you've got your on radio,
you do the background work, the research, you do all
that stuff. But you've got somebody who's doing some of
the technical word for it, and you've got a promotions
(09:11):
group and everyone does their job to produce a great
program on the weekends. It's the same with this that
you know what a coaches do, technical leadership, physical training, tactics, selections,
all those things.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
What do the kids do?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
We want them to come and have fun, learn, enjoy
the experience and come back. What do we want parents
to do? We don't want them to do those other
two things. We want them to unconditional love, value, and support.
We want them to bring the kids on time. We
want them to love them irrespective of success or failure.
Where you know, I think again this clarity of saying
(09:47):
to a parent, this is what we need you to do,
and if you do these things, we're confident that your
child will have a wonderful journey through sport and they'll
realize their potential because of your contribution. And that clarity
of roles and responsibilities is so important.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
And that probably answers another question, and I've got here,
and that's around how kids get into particular sports, because
often the whole play sports that their parents have played,
you know, and often to a decent level. You know,
if an adult is a decent basketballer, they might want
to introduce their son or daughter to basketball because they
know the joy and the fulfillment they got out of it.
(10:24):
So what's the best way of dealing with a parent
or actually, flipp it, what's the best way to be
a parent who's played a sport to make sure that
your own child gets the benefit of coaching without you
overstepping If.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
You get what I'm asking, oh, I do how tempting
has it been for everybody involved in sport, everybody who's
played sport, because you know, you've got that connection with
the sport and you know what a wonderful sport yours
could be, yours is, and you want nothing more than
to share that with your child. So your child's playing soccer,
(10:57):
your child's playing football, and you can't avoid the temptation.
You just can't resist saying, well, when I used to play,
you know what we used to do. And I don't
know how many pets you know. Again, there's nothing.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Their parents are just sharing the joy and the love
they feel for the sport that's most important to do. However,
I say to parents, you've got to draw a line.
You've got to draw a line, which is the enthusiic
and passionate sharing of the way you feel about your sport,
with your job, but allowing them to have their own
(11:32):
experience with the sport. And believe me, if kids want
your opinion and if they want your input, they'll ask
for it. And one of the big dangers Piney, I
think younger kids, it's not such a big girl. If
you love bike riding and you like to go out
and bike riding and you think it's the greatest thing.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Of all time.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
The kids will sense you all passion and your enthusiasm
that'll rub off on them.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
They'll probably do it.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Where you've got to be really careful with this is
mid teens, because.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
All of us are wired to rebel.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
And the more that mum and dad tell me about
how good their sport is, and the more Mum and
Dad try to coach me to get better at their sport,
the least likely it is that I'm going to do
it because I want to do the exact opposite of
what they're telling me to do. They want to stop
me from going out and experiencing life. They're the ones
telling me to go to bed on time. Anything they
tell me is probably wrong. So they're going to try
(12:27):
and coach me how to be better at swimming. I
ain't going to listen to them, and in fact, I
might leave the sport to save them being in my
face constantly. If you've got parents, if you've got kids
who are in their teens, be very very careful about
giving them too much information, too much education, and too
much of what you think is important in their teens,
(12:49):
because it's likely I've pushed back the other way.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Great advice and wisdom, as always from you, weigh lots
to take away. Just before you go, something I want
to talk about with you in a future segment is
the subject of your new book, which is called The
Talent Myth Why talent Isn't Worth I'll say, but it's
a slightly different version of that available now that book.
I do want to talk about it, as I say,
(13:12):
with you in a future segment. But this is your
latest latest piece of literature.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Yes it does.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And it came from a young fellow that I was
talking to about a year ago. He had been dropped
from the school team and the school teacher who dropped
him said that you're being dropped because you're just not
talented enough to make the team. And I thought about
it deeply, Piney, I thought, how many other kids have
(13:40):
been told you're not good enough or you're not talented
enough for you're never.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Going to make it?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Then you, I mean, you meet some pretty impressive New
Zealand athletes.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
You know, all blacks and ferns, and.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
You know a lot of them you wouldn't technically classify
as super talented, but they just love playing the game,
and they're good people, and they try hard and they
give everything to it. And I thought, hang on a minute,
this talent thing. We've got this completely wrong. We're saying
the kids, if you're not Roger Frederer, well you shouldn't
(14:15):
be playing tennis. It's like saying, you know, if you
can't play like Mozart, well, don't sit behind a piano.
If you're if you're not Pericas, you're never going to
be as good as Perkasso, don't pick up a paintbrush.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
It's ludicrous.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
So I thought, I'm going to sit down and write
a book that says more than anything, to give hope
to everyone who's ever been told you're not good enough,
you're not talented enough, you.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Don't have what it takes.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
And lord, I really hope it's going to make an
impact on kids and parents and coaches and teachers, and
above all, it'll get us thinking that talent is so
much more than being big and strong and fast.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Look forward to chatting about that in a future segment,
but it's available on Amazon right now. As always, appreciate
your time, you're wisdom, your expertise. Wayne we'll catch up
again soon.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Always a pleasure, my friend, Always a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It's always a pleasure talking to you. Wayne Wayne Goldsmith
there you can. Yeah, look for his new book on
Amazon just Wayne Goldsmith and it'll turn up.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
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