November 10, 2024 • 8 mins
Protestors will arrive in Wellington later next week to protest the introduction of David Seymour's Treaty Principles Bill.
The hikoi, following the same route as the march led by Dame Whina Cooper in 1975, began in Northland this morning.
Newstalk ZB political editor Jason Walls expects it will be one of the biggest protests at Parliament in recent memory.
He joined Nick Mills for the Beehive Buzz.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from News Talk said B direct from News Talks, edb's
team at Tolerance the Bee Hive.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Buzz joining us for the Bee High Buzzers Used Talk
SIB Political editor Jason Walls, Jason, good morning, it's been
a while.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Good morning, next, good one. I very much enjoyed our
face off on Friday.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Oh god, you're like the Rizard of Bed. Don't you
got your guitarr out? Come out on Friday at six
o'clock A play a song.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
You can be my personal groupie.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
That's I thought too much for me. The Hekoy to
Parliament on the Treaty Principles bills.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
What's going on? What's the latest you've heard?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah, Well, obviously, as Ahkoy does, it's moving its way
closer towards Wellington. So it's going to take a couple
of year a couple of days to get here. But
it really sets the scene for what is going to
be a tumultuous week in the halls of power here.
Of course, the Treaty Principal's Bill coming before the House
likely this week. The Prime Minister did indicate that it
(01:13):
was coming by Thursday, which is conveniently when he's going
to be out of the country. But all eyes will
be on the Ekoi as it draws ever closer to Parliament,
and I think it really it's a Tea Party Marty
aligned organization that is organizing it and obviously t Party
MATI are not very pleased with this proposed legislation at
all now, so those listeners that might not be completely
(01:35):
up to date on what this is. The Treaty's Principal's
Bill is a bill put through by the act Party. Now,
it was in the government's coalition agreement with the act
Party that they would support it in the first reading. However,
Prime Minister Chris Luxon has been extremely vocal in his
musings that the National Party won't be voting for it
(01:57):
in second reading and it's going to be voted down. However,
they are obligated to vote for it in the first reading.
So that means that bill will have its first reading
this week and it will be supported by the National Party.
Now it sounds like it's not going to be supported
by New Zealand first so of course this is going
to be a it's going to be a very contentious bill.
(02:17):
With a lot of opposition going forward. Now, David Seymour
will argue that, you know, this is about New Zealanders
having a say on the principles of the Treaty of
White Pungy, and there's been a lot of overreach by
organizations such as the White Pungy Tribunal, and this looks
to sort of codify and solidify a lot of what
they're doing. So it's all across and more even keel. However,
(02:38):
it's critics and that the opponents say that this is
just one step away from meddling with the Treaty of
wy Pungy and as a deliberate attack attack on Mardi. So,
I mean, you're going to hear those arguments all week,
but with this backdrop of the HIKOI, it's going to
be a very loud, very very very newsworthy protest.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Now, tell me how this hikoy works, right, because they're
not walking the whole way. You can't walk the whole
way in nine days, can you.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well, I mean, I don't know how the geography works.
I mean maybe you possibly could, but I don't think
that is the plan. I think that there are different
tikoys in different cities over the next couple of days
to kind of show the opposition to this bill, and
there'll be various different marches through various different cities. I mean,
expect to see some traffic blockages up in Auckland in
(03:26):
other major centers around the country as well. And that's
exactly what these tikoy are designed to do. They're designed
to disrupt. It's designed to be in people's space to
essentially say hey, we're here, we're upset about this, and
we're making our voices be heard.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
How big do you think it's going to be when
it gets to Wellington, If you've got any idea of
people talking about it, is there any inside information how
large it could really be?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I would probably guess that this will be one of
the largest protesters protests that Parliament has seen in quite
some time. I mean, this isn't just a sort of
a spare of the moment protest that is flared up
over some issue that has just come to the foe.
I mean, this is an issue that's been boiling away
ever since the government was elected, and this is an
(04:08):
issue that the opposition parties had been extremely vocal about
and nobody is you can't really claim ignorance on this
one because everybody knows what it is and why it's happening.
So I think that's going to attract a lot of
people when it eventually does end up at Parliament.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
So do you think it'd be bigger than the biggest one?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Oh, listen, it's hard to say. I mean, I think
if you're looking at some of the biggest protests outside Parliament,
you'd be of course, the Foreshore and seabed of the
mid two thousands would be one that you'd talk about
on that level. I mean, you know, I'm not saying
it's going to be that big, but I'm not saying that.
I don't think it's going to attract a small crowd.
(04:48):
I think you'd have to look at this one and
say it's going to be a lot of people out there.
I'd say many thousands outside Parliament when it does arise.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Okay, tell us what's gone on this week in Parliament.
What's happening to be had?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Well, of course we've got the official apology to abuse
people that suffered abuse in state here. That's happening tomorrow,
and of course that is going to be a very
emotional day. The Prime Minister is going to be delivering
that apology on behalf of the crown. We had the
official report came out a few weeks ago, and the
next question after the apologies on redress and how is
the government going to obviously pay these people compensation for
(05:23):
what they were forced to endure. So we'll keep our
eyes appeeled for that one. What happens next, but it's
going to be an extremely emotional day when that does
come to pass. And then of course later this week,
as the Prime Minister has suggested, he's going to be
going off the Apex which is in Peru this year,
So all eyes on that one. Given especially we have
a new change in leadership in the United States. However,
(05:44):
it's very likely if there is a presidential contingent to
travel to Peru, it will be Joe Biden and not
Donald Trump because Joe Biden, you might have everybody forgets this,
but he is still the president. So we'll be keeping
an eye on that one. Another than that, you know,
just the normal comings and goings of Parliament. I'd say, do.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
We know what time the apology is going to be
delivered by the Prime Minister tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
We in this stage we do know what's going to
be around about mid day. I'm not sure on the
exact timings, but that is probably when we're thinking that
it's going to be happening.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Tomorrow and it's going to be done in parliament.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yes, it will be done in parliament. I think we're
getting word that it's about eleven thirty to twelve o'clock
is when it's going to be speaking. The Parliament is
sitting at that time. It doesn't usually sit till two pm,
so it's a disruption from usual proceedings, but a very
important one.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Wow, that's going to be really interesting to see how
that's how that's taken really because it's a massive, massive
story and the redressed thing that's going to go on
for a long time, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, Yeah, it's a big issue. There are some big
questions to be answered. But hopefully this week at least
the apology will bring some closure to people that definitely
very much deserve it.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Is Erica Stanford having anything to do with it? Do
you think she'll be part of the apology or it'll
be a prime minister thing.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Oh, it'll be both eric and Stamford will be involved
in a big way. She has been the minister that
has been leading this from the beginning, and you'd have
to say she's been doing quite a good job. I mean,
she's front footed a lot of the issues she's got
ahead of it, and she's done quite a good job
in communicating with what the government is going to do
and what's coming next. Of course, there's always going to
be criticism at the government when it comes to these things,
(07:23):
but I think on the whole history you'll look back
and think what Erica Stamford has done here is it's
been quite good.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Quick one yes or no, You're off to Peru?
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I am yes?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Wow? How come you get all the good jobs.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I've just never been to South America before, so I
don't get to be much of a tourist. You're only
on the ground for about a day and a half,
so I'm not even bringing any check the luggage carry
on for me. But yeah, it's going to be all
go okay, thank.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
You very much.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Have a really good, safe trip to Peru. I wonder
how much flying time is involved in there. It'll be
like two lots of twelve. How there's a long flight.
I hope he gets looked after well. Jason wall is
always good to talk to you. He's the political editor
for News Talks. He'll be in a friend of the station.
We like having Jason on, We like him great. Have
a safe trip, brother, Let's talk to you soon.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
For more from Wellington Mornings with Nick Mills, listen live
to news Talks It'd be Wellington from nine am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from News Talk said B direct from News Talks, edb's
team at Tolerance the Bee Hive.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Buzz joining us for the Bee High Buzzers Used Talk
SIB Political editor Jason Walls, Jason, good morning, it's been
a while.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Good morning, next, good one. I very much enjoyed our
face off on Friday.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Oh god, you're like the Rizard of Bed. Don't you
got your guitarr out? Come out on Friday at six
o'clock A play a song.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
You can be my personal groupie.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
That's I thought too much for me. The Hekoy to
Parliament on the Treaty Principles bills.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
What's going on? What's the latest you've heard?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah, Well, obviously, as Ahkoy does, it's moving its way
closer towards Wellington. So it's going to take a couple
of year a couple of days to get here. But
it really sets the scene for what is going to
be a tumultuous week in the halls of power here.
Of course, the Treaty Principal's Bill coming before the House
likely this week. The Prime Minister did indicate that it
(01:13):
was coming by Thursday, which is conveniently when he's going
to be out of the country. But all eyes will
be on the Ekoi as it draws ever closer to Parliament,
and I think it really it's a Tea Party Marty
aligned organization that is organizing it and obviously t Party
MATI are not very pleased with this proposed legislation at
all now, so those listeners that might not be completely
(01:35):
up to date on what this is. The Treaty's Principal's
Bill is a bill put through by the act Party. Now,
it was in the government's coalition agreement with the act
Party that they would support it in the first reading. However,
Prime Minister Chris Luxon has been extremely vocal in his
musings that the National Party won't be voting for it
(01:57):
in second reading and it's going to be voted down. However,
they are obligated to vote for it in the first reading.
So that means that bill will have its first reading
this week and it will be supported by the National Party.
Now it sounds like it's not going to be supported
by New Zealand first so of course this is going
to be a it's going to be a very contentious bill.
(02:17):
With a lot of opposition going forward. Now, David Seymour
will argue that, you know, this is about New Zealanders
having a say on the principles of the Treaty of
White Pungy, and there's been a lot of overreach by
organizations such as the White Pungy Tribunal, and this looks
to sort of codify and solidify a lot of what
they're doing. So it's all across and more even keel. However,
(02:38):
it's critics and that the opponents say that this is
just one step away from meddling with the Treaty of
wy Pungy and as a deliberate attack attack on Mardi. So,
I mean, you're going to hear those arguments all week,
but with this backdrop of the HIKOI, it's going to
be a very loud, very very very newsworthy protest.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Now, tell me how this hikoy works, right, because they're
not walking the whole way. You can't walk the whole
way in nine days, can you.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well, I mean, I don't know how the geography works.
I mean maybe you possibly could, but I don't think
that is the plan. I think that there are different
tikoys in different cities over the next couple of days
to kind of show the opposition to this bill, and
there'll be various different marches through various different cities. I mean,
expect to see some traffic blockages up in Auckland in
(03:26):
other major centers around the country as well. And that's
exactly what these tikoy are designed to do. They're designed
to disrupt. It's designed to be in people's space to
essentially say hey, we're here, we're upset about this, and
we're making our voices be heard.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
How big do you think it's going to be when
it gets to Wellington, If you've got any idea of
people talking about it, is there any inside information how
large it could really be?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I would probably guess that this will be one of
the largest protesters protests that Parliament has seen in quite
some time. I mean, this isn't just a sort of
a spare of the moment protest that is flared up
over some issue that has just come to the foe.
I mean, this is an issue that's been boiling away
ever since the government was elected, and this is an
(04:08):
issue that the opposition parties had been extremely vocal about
and nobody is you can't really claim ignorance on this
one because everybody knows what it is and why it's happening.
So I think that's going to attract a lot of
people when it eventually does end up at Parliament.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
So do you think it'd be bigger than the biggest one?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Oh, listen, it's hard to say. I mean, I think
if you're looking at some of the biggest protests outside Parliament,
you'd be of course, the Foreshore and seabed of the
mid two thousands would be one that you'd talk about
on that level. I mean, you know, I'm not saying
it's going to be that big, but I'm not saying that.
I don't think it's going to attract a small crowd.
(04:48):
I think you'd have to look at this one and
say it's going to be a lot of people out there.
I'd say many thousands outside Parliament when it does arise.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Okay, tell us what's gone on this week in Parliament.
What's happening to be had?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Well, of course we've got the official apology to abuse
people that suffered abuse in state here. That's happening tomorrow,
and of course that is going to be a very
emotional day. The Prime Minister is going to be delivering
that apology on behalf of the crown. We had the
official report came out a few weeks ago, and the
next question after the apologies on redress and how is
the government going to obviously pay these people compensation for
(05:23):
what they were forced to endure. So we'll keep our
eyes appeeled for that one. What happens next, but it's
going to be an extremely emotional day when that does
come to pass. And then of course later this week,
as the Prime Minister has suggested, he's going to be
going off the Apex which is in Peru this year,
So all eyes on that one. Given especially we have
a new change in leadership in the United States. However,
(05:44):
it's very likely if there is a presidential contingent to
travel to Peru, it will be Joe Biden and not
Donald Trump because Joe Biden, you might have everybody forgets this,
but he is still the president. So we'll be keeping
an eye on that one. Another than that, you know,
just the normal comings and goings of Parliament. I'd say, do.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
We know what time the apology is going to be
delivered by the Prime Minister tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
We in this stage we do know what's going to
be around about mid day. I'm not sure on the
exact timings, but that is probably when we're thinking that
it's going to be happening.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Tomorrow and it's going to be done in parliament.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yes, it will be done in parliament. I think we're
getting word that it's about eleven thirty to twelve o'clock
is when it's going to be speaking. The Parliament is
sitting at that time. It doesn't usually sit till two pm,
so it's a disruption from usual proceedings, but a very
important one.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Wow, that's going to be really interesting to see how
that's how that's taken really because it's a massive, massive
story and the redressed thing that's going to go on
for a long time, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, Yeah, it's a big issue. There are some big
questions to be answered. But hopefully this week at least
the apology will bring some closure to people that definitely
very much deserve it.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Is Erica Stanford having anything to do with it? Do
you think she'll be part of the apology or it'll
be a prime minister thing.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Oh, it'll be both eric and Stamford will be involved
in a big way. She has been the minister that
has been leading this from the beginning, and you'd have
to say she's been doing quite a good job. I mean,
she's front footed a lot of the issues she's got
ahead of it, and she's done quite a good job
in communicating with what the government is going to do
and what's coming next. Of course, there's always going to
be criticism at the government when it comes to these things,
(07:23):
but I think on the whole history you'll look back
and think what Erica Stamford has done here is it's
been quite good.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Quick one yes or no, You're off to Peru?
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I am yes?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Wow? How come you get all the good jobs.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I've just never been to South America before, so I
don't get to be much of a tourist. You're only
on the ground for about a day and a half,
so I'm not even bringing any check the luggage carry
on for me. But yeah, it's going to be all
go okay, thank.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
You very much.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Have a really good, safe trip to Peru. I wonder
how much flying time is involved in there. It'll be
like two lots of twelve. How there's a long flight.
I hope he gets looked after well. Jason wall is
always good to talk to you. He's the political editor
for News Talks. He'll be in a friend of the station.
We like having Jason on, We like him great. Have
a safe trip, brother, Let's talk to you soon.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
For more from Wellington Mornings with Nick Mills, listen live
to news Talks It'd be Wellington from nine am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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