January 26, 2025 • 7 mins
Parliament has returned from its summer recess to what will be one of the most watched select committee considerations ever, with hundreds of people expected to give their view on the Treaty Principles Bill.
The select committee process began today with submissions from the bill's sponsor David Seymour.
Newstalk ZB political editor Jason Walls has been watching proceedings and joined Nick Mills for the Beehive Buzz.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from news Talk Said b direct from news Talk Said's
team at Toliment the bee Hive Buzz.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
As we head to the Beehive, we talked to and
ask what's going on with news Talk said be political
editor Jason Walls. Jason, good morning, Good morning. It's a
bit of a funny smell in my studio today. What
wasn't he yesterday?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I knew you were going to do so. I knew
you were going to say something I was wanting. I
was waiting for the little quip that you would have
neck A funny smell? Was it? It must be different
because it smells like a deodorant and after shave.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Because I was in there, you could have left me
a little note people going to people. No you didn't.
I didn't get it. Did you leave me?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I left it right on the desk. Did you not
see it?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
No, you're a liar. You're a liar. Lie live pets
on fire. I think was by desk when I came,
But this.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Morning maybe your producer took it away.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
He might have thought it was for him. Anyway, let's
talk about the beehive people are listening and beta breath
to know what's going on. As I said in my
intro today, if you see a whole lot of Barker's
suits walking around Wellington, you know that Parliament's back on
and all their onto rides are with them and Barkers
has got a sail on big week in Parliament.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Tell me what's happening, Well, I think you'll find that
most of the MPs go to working Styles to get
their suits, and there are staffers will go to Barker's
to get theirs. So but you're right, there is a
lot of suits, there are a lot of ties, and
a lot of people around the halls of Power today.
Obviously we have the Treaty Principles Bill in Select Committee.
It's essentially the first day where the submitters will be
(01:41):
fronting up. Now there's eighty hours of submissions. Each submitter
is allowed roughly ten minutes each, So you do the
mass as to how many people are going to be submitting.
I mean there is just there's literally hundreds of them.
Neck We've already been going for about almost three hours
this morning and we've got news coming out of our
ears here at the ZB offices. Done in the Press Gallery.
(02:01):
We've had David Seymour, who obviously kicked things off essentially
saying that what you think you would think he would
in terms of supporting the bill, saying that it is
something that will essentially he rejects the fact that it's racist,
and he said, in fact, the way that the system
is currently set up is the racist way that we're
going forward with that one. So he's had a lot
(02:22):
to say. And then it was Lady Todaythi Moxon, who
is up next and basically saying the exact opposite of Luxon,
saying that the Treaty of White Tongy is the founding
document of this country. It is not one country, one
size fits all for everyone. She said, we sit and
have listened to a group of people who tell us
we don't belong here. So there's a lot of emotion
(02:45):
in this debate. And today, I mean just some of
the names to rattle them off. We've got the Bar
Association which is up in about ten minutes. David Barrier,
Hobson's pledge, Marilyn Wearing you'll remember from yester year Muldoon.
She's actually submitting at two forty Andrew Little and a
two Union. So quite a lot that is going on
(03:06):
today on the Treaty's principal bill, and this is just
kicking it off.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I'm trying to work out how many submissions is My
mathematical brain's not working too well, so it depends on
how many hours a day they're sitting. But you've got
what do you say? You've got eighty hours of submissions.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Divided submissions and they're all ten minutes each, So.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
What does that work out to be? Eight thousand people
are going to be, isn't it right?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah? Well, if there's that six submissions an hour, and
so you're just I'm six by eighty and six times
eight is forty eight. So four eight hundred submitters.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Wow. Wow, And there's going to be some stuff going on,
isn't the I mean six o'clock views to me tonight,
it's going to be a much watched There's going to
be a few yelling and groaning and a couple of
hackers and a couple of passionate things going on in there.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Well yeah, I mean, it's going to be huge. But
I will remind you that people will not get bored
of this. But it's not going to become as Newsworthy
today will be the big hit it's where all the
big hitters are. But as the days go on and
weeks turn into months, people will lose interest in this
because it is, at the end of the day, a
select committee process on a bill that is doomed to fail.
(04:18):
So there's a lot of talk about this, there's a
lot of passion, and there's a lot of energy that
ultimately is going to accumulate in nothing because the bill
is not going to pass.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Now. I know that you spent your summer doing a
lot of talk back shows on news talks here, but
something that's kind of like a little scratch on your
arm and you'd love to do it. Would you be
surprised if I told you that privatization had a full
board for two hours on our.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Show this morning? No, no, I was actually listening to
your discussion when you were coming in, and as well
as Fluris fitz Simmons as well. I'm not surprised at all.
I mean, obviously people are really up in arms about that.
I mean again, just like the Treaty Principles bill, it's
on a hiding to nothing because the Prime Minister, although
he said oh yes, something to look into. There's absolutely
no way he's going to privatize the healthcare and hair
(05:06):
system and something like that. He's just too incremental in
his changes. He's not going to really pull out the
stops like that, so you can rest assured that's not
going to happen. I think when it comes to more
privatization across the board, he might, and honestly good. I
think that the private sector can do a lot better
job than the government in many areas, but a health
is probably one that's just a bit too much of
(05:28):
a tricky minefield.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Health and education. Leave them alone, police, health and education,
I think. Anyway, moving on, what's really going on in
Parliament this week? In a week apart from it's the
first week back. Apart from what you've got the Select
Committee stuff, what else is going on?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Well, well, tomorrow is what we call Super Tuesday, and
Super Tuesday is essentially when all the things that should
be happening on Monday happen on Tuesday as well, because
it's a public holiday up in Auckland. So we're going
to have a post cabinet press conference tomorrow, the first
one of the year, as well as the normal caucus
runs the first question time of the year the bridge runs,
which is when we stop all the politicians on their
(06:04):
way to the House. So it's all going to be
on for the entire week because we've got all the
comings and goings in the House as well. And the
government looks like it's gonna pick up where it left off,
just announcing thing issue after issue after issue, policy after
policy after policy, which is good, but it also means
that there's just so much news to get through and
so much information that they might start to lose out
(06:26):
on some of their messaging. I think they do need
to slow down just a touch and just take a
bit of a breath. I know they've had summer, but
we don't need a new initiative every single day. Let
people stew on things a little bit. Maybe that's just
me being a little bit lazy as a political press
gallery editor and thinking, hang on a second, just give
us a breath.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Well, I mean, obviously the politicians from the Oakland Way
aren't going to hit down to it tomorrow. They don't
normally come to town to Tuesday anyway, do they.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
No, they don't usually get hit till Tuesday. That is
the Justice Select Committee, which is sitting today. They are
down here today as well, so I mean Chair James Mega,
he's from the South Island, doesn't have to worry about that.
And there's people like Ginny Ns and that's on there
as well, and Debbie Nadi were packing. None of them
are from Auckland. I don't actually know about the other
committee members, but you'd have to think if one of
them were like, oh, sorry, I can't come to the
(07:11):
first day of submissions for the Treaties principle because it's
the Auckland holiday today, I think that'd be frowned upon
by their party leaders.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Always a pleasure. Thanks Jason for joining us today. On
the show News Talks, there'd be political editor Jason Walls
coming from the beehive. It's called the Beehive Buzz and
we go there every Monday to get the latest stories
from Jason.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
For more from Wellington Mornings with Nick Mills, listen live
to News Talks It'd be Wellington from nine am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from news Talk Said b direct from news Talk Said's
team at Toliment the bee Hive Buzz.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
As we head to the Beehive, we talked to and
ask what's going on with news Talk said be political
editor Jason Walls. Jason, good morning, Good morning. It's a
bit of a funny smell in my studio today. What
wasn't he yesterday?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I knew you were going to do so. I knew
you were going to say something I was wanting. I
was waiting for the little quip that you would have
neck A funny smell? Was it? It must be different
because it smells like a deodorant and after shave.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Because I was in there, you could have left me
a little note people going to people. No you didn't.
I didn't get it. Did you leave me?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I left it right on the desk. Did you not
see it?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
No, you're a liar. You're a liar. Lie live pets
on fire. I think was by desk when I came,
But this.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Morning maybe your producer took it away.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
He might have thought it was for him. Anyway, let's
talk about the beehive people are listening and beta breath
to know what's going on. As I said in my
intro today, if you see a whole lot of Barker's
suits walking around Wellington, you know that Parliament's back on
and all their onto rides are with them and Barkers
has got a sail on big week in Parliament.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Tell me what's happening, Well, I think you'll find that
most of the MPs go to working Styles to get
their suits, and there are staffers will go to Barker's
to get theirs. So but you're right, there is a
lot of suits, there are a lot of ties, and
a lot of people around the halls of Power today.
Obviously we have the Treaty Principles Bill in Select Committee.
It's essentially the first day where the submitters will be
(01:41):
fronting up. Now there's eighty hours of submissions. Each submitter
is allowed roughly ten minutes each, So you do the
mass as to how many people are going to be submitting.
I mean there is just there's literally hundreds of them.
Neck We've already been going for about almost three hours
this morning and we've got news coming out of our
ears here at the ZB offices. Done in the Press Gallery.
(02:01):
We've had David Seymour, who obviously kicked things off essentially
saying that what you think you would think he would
in terms of supporting the bill, saying that it is
something that will essentially he rejects the fact that it's racist,
and he said, in fact, the way that the system
is currently set up is the racist way that we're
going forward with that one. So he's had a lot
(02:22):
to say. And then it was Lady Todaythi Moxon, who
is up next and basically saying the exact opposite of Luxon,
saying that the Treaty of White Tongy is the founding
document of this country. It is not one country, one
size fits all for everyone. She said, we sit and
have listened to a group of people who tell us
we don't belong here. So there's a lot of emotion
(02:45):
in this debate. And today, I mean just some of
the names to rattle them off. We've got the Bar
Association which is up in about ten minutes. David Barrier,
Hobson's pledge, Marilyn Wearing you'll remember from yester year Muldoon.
She's actually submitting at two forty Andrew Little and a
two Union. So quite a lot that is going on
(03:06):
today on the Treaty's principal bill, and this is just
kicking it off.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I'm trying to work out how many submissions is My
mathematical brain's not working too well, so it depends on
how many hours a day they're sitting. But you've got
what do you say? You've got eighty hours of submissions.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Divided submissions and they're all ten minutes each, So.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
What does that work out to be? Eight thousand people
are going to be, isn't it right?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah? Well, if there's that six submissions an hour, and
so you're just I'm six by eighty and six times
eight is forty eight. So four eight hundred submitters.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Wow. Wow, And there's going to be some stuff going on,
isn't the I mean six o'clock views to me tonight,
it's going to be a much watched There's going to
be a few yelling and groaning and a couple of
hackers and a couple of passionate things going on in there.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Well yeah, I mean, it's going to be huge. But
I will remind you that people will not get bored
of this. But it's not going to become as Newsworthy
today will be the big hit it's where all the
big hitters are. But as the days go on and
weeks turn into months, people will lose interest in this
because it is, at the end of the day, a
select committee process on a bill that is doomed to fail.
(04:18):
So there's a lot of talk about this, there's a
lot of passion, and there's a lot of energy that
ultimately is going to accumulate in nothing because the bill
is not going to pass.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Now. I know that you spent your summer doing a
lot of talk back shows on news talks here, but
something that's kind of like a little scratch on your
arm and you'd love to do it. Would you be
surprised if I told you that privatization had a full
board for two hours on our.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Show this morning? No, no, I was actually listening to
your discussion when you were coming in, and as well
as Fluris fitz Simmons as well. I'm not surprised at all.
I mean, obviously people are really up in arms about that.
I mean again, just like the Treaty Principles bill, it's
on a hiding to nothing because the Prime Minister, although
he said oh yes, something to look into. There's absolutely
no way he's going to privatize the healthcare and hair
(05:06):
system and something like that. He's just too incremental in
his changes. He's not going to really pull out the
stops like that, so you can rest assured that's not
going to happen. I think when it comes to more
privatization across the board, he might, and honestly good. I
think that the private sector can do a lot better
job than the government in many areas, but a health
is probably one that's just a bit too much of
(05:28):
a tricky minefield.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Health and education. Leave them alone, police, health and education,
I think. Anyway, moving on, what's really going on in
Parliament this week? In a week apart from it's the
first week back. Apart from what you've got the Select
Committee stuff, what else is going on?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Well, well, tomorrow is what we call Super Tuesday, and
Super Tuesday is essentially when all the things that should
be happening on Monday happen on Tuesday as well, because
it's a public holiday up in Auckland. So we're going
to have a post cabinet press conference tomorrow, the first
one of the year, as well as the normal caucus
runs the first question time of the year the bridge runs,
which is when we stop all the politicians on their
(06:04):
way to the House. So it's all going to be
on for the entire week because we've got all the
comings and goings in the House as well. And the
government looks like it's gonna pick up where it left off,
just announcing thing issue after issue after issue, policy after
policy after policy, which is good, but it also means
that there's just so much news to get through and
so much information that they might start to lose out
(06:26):
on some of their messaging. I think they do need
to slow down just a touch and just take a
bit of a breath. I know they've had summer, but
we don't need a new initiative every single day. Let
people stew on things a little bit. Maybe that's just
me being a little bit lazy as a political press
gallery editor and thinking, hang on a second, just give
us a breath.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Well, I mean, obviously the politicians from the Oakland Way
aren't going to hit down to it tomorrow. They don't
normally come to town to Tuesday anyway, do they.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
No, they don't usually get hit till Tuesday. That is
the Justice Select Committee, which is sitting today. They are
down here today as well, so I mean Chair James Mega,
he's from the South Island, doesn't have to worry about that.
And there's people like Ginny Ns and that's on there
as well, and Debbie Nadi were packing. None of them
are from Auckland. I don't actually know about the other
committee members, but you'd have to think if one of
them were like, oh, sorry, I can't come to the
(07:11):
first day of submissions for the Treaties principle because it's
the Auckland holiday today, I think that'd be frowned upon
by their party leaders.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Always a pleasure. Thanks Jason for joining us today. On
the show News Talks, there'd be political editor Jason Walls
coming from the beehive. It's called the Beehive Buzz and
we go there every Monday to get the latest stories
from Jason.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
For more from Wellington Mornings with Nick Mills, listen live
to News Talks It'd be Wellington from nine am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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