April 6, 2025 • 11 mins
The Treaty Principles Bill could return to Parliament's order paper for its doomed second reading this week, after the select committee considering the bill recommended it be voted down. Are we likely to see the Prime Minister in the house to speak against the bill?
Also, the government has released its secondly quarterly action plan. What are the surprises on the list?
Newstalk ZB political editor Jason Walls joined Nick Mills for the Beehive Buzz.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from news Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Said B.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Direct from news Talk Saidb's team a tolerance the bee
Hive buzz.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Johnny Us for the be High Buzzes News Talk said,
be Political editor Jason Wall's good morning, Jason.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Good morning Neck. It's been so long. I've missed you
so much.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Friday Friday to Monday. We're working.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
We're working together. We almost work colleagues at the.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Moment, aren't we joined at the hep una?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Oh gosh, Yes, the government has released their next quarterly
action plan.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Oh my gosh, I wish I was a quicker reader.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
The quarterial Action Plan. Yeah. I meant there's a lot
in there. And I think that I've always been a
big backer of these quarterly action plans. I think it's
quite good for the government to set a bit of
a path forward about what it plans to do, so
it doesn't take anybody by surprise. I mean, it's important
to note that they can deviate from these plans a
little bit, they can do things that aren't in them.
This is just sort of a good pathway forward to
(01:06):
give peace a good idea about what is coming next
and looking at this one. I mean there's a mix
of a few things in here. I mean there's some
some of them that are like, honestly, let's be honest,
pretty marginal. Marginal number one, deliver a budget focused on
boosting economic growth, improving improving social outcomes, controlling government spending
(01:26):
and investing in long term infrastructure. I mean, like, of
course they're going to deliver a budget. We don't need
that on the quarter to Action plan. I mean I
would be more I'd be more curious if it wasn't
on there. You know, Government's always going to deliver a budget.
But there are some in there that are quite a
little bit more specific, including introducing legislation to ratify the
New Zealand United Arab Emirates Comprehensive Economic Partnership. There's introducing
(01:51):
legislation and mending the Overseas Investment Act to make it easier,
quicker and more transparent to foreign investors to invest and
grow in New Zealand businesses. But then there are some
neck that are a little bit more vague that I
look at it and scratch my head a little bit,
like begin consultation on changes to the driver's license system.
What does that mean, be interesting to see what they
(02:13):
plan to do there, introducing legislation to establish invest New
Zealand to a position New Zealand has a premiere is
a premiere destination for foreign direct investment. Again, you know
it's these are nice words, but we don't really know
what they are.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
So again, and had not we, Jason, haven't we actually
seen a bit of this before, haven't we?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I mean, you know, there's nothing new in any of this.
Is he something new?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Oh, there's a lot of new things in here. I
mean things that they've already said that they're planning to do.
I mean, there wasn't apart from this driver's lays in
the thing. I mean that's I don't know why I'm
stuck on this on neck. I'm just curious to see.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Well, they talked.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
About it when they first came into power, weren't they
were going to We did an hour on the show
about what changes they wanted to make. They wanted to
make it more efficient so you didn't have to wait
so long and entire.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Then Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So I think you're probably right.
I think that there are I mean, these the first
one that they ever did we looked through. Oh, geez,
that's new, but they're not, in fact really like breaking news.
Here is a massive new yarn about what the government
is planning on doing. A lot of it is firming
up things that they said that it was going to do.
I mean, technically speaking, the coalition agreements were the quarter one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
(03:22):
et cetera action plans for the government. So this is
just kind of a little bit more detail on how
it plans to flesh it out.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
See.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I like the idea like you, but I also want
to see before the next quarter. I want to see
what was achieved from the last one.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Well they actually do on this one. I mean, looking
back on the first plan, they say thirty seven of
the forty actions from the first quarter were fully completed.
That is, there was one. There were two that were
partially competed completed. One was a process behind a cabinet
paper on the Regulatory Standards Bill that has been complete
but it's considered. It's been considered an upcoming cabinet meeting.
(03:59):
And then there was the Health Infrastructure Investment Plan that
has also been considered by cabinet and as being published shortly.
The only one that they didn't outright do was there
was an uncompleted action plan to quote take Cabinet decisions
on legislation to improve the regulation of medicine medical devices,
and that has been referred to a future Cabinet meeting
to allow for further consultation with the industry. So they say,
(04:23):
you know, thirty seven out of forty. You know, they'd
say a couple of in the train already, so call
that thirty nine out of forty. So they do kind
of say the ones that they didn't get done as well.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
The one that I've sort of fixated on because I
don't think it will happen because I think it will
make it too complicated is the cabinet decision on fleet
wide transition of the road user charges. Now I get
what they're trying to do. They're trying to take it
away from the petrol So every time you pay for
your petrol, you pay for a percentage of that to
the government. So they want to put it onto road
(04:53):
user charges. So if you have an efficient car or
an EV or something that you're not getting as much
money out of it, the government can charge you per
kilometer because that's the damage that it's doing to the road.
And the weight is the damage to the road. I
get all that, but I don't see that happening because
it's instant cash rather than having to send people bills,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Yeah, yeah, I guess this is one of the reasons
why they've gone out for consultation on it, or they've
talked to every single industry body under the sun. They
really want to get a good thrust of information behind
it before they start making decisions. And I reckon they
should talk to you. You sound like you know more
about it than the government does.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Well, it's pretty simplistic, really, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I mean, they obviously now new efficient cars like hybrid
cars and that are getting further for their dollar that
they buy in gas. So if we can actually work
it out by whatever kilometer you do, that's actual cost
on the road and you'll pay for it. But my
issue with it is that you know, roads use the charges.
I do about two times a year and normally I'm
(05:52):
four thousand kilometers over the limit when I actually renew it,
whereas if you're buying gas, you're paying for it at
the pump and the government's getting the money straight away.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah, and I suppose the latter of those two options
is a lot easier for people as well, because you know,
there would be people out there that did know that
they had to pay road user charges and they thought
that the simple system that the pump might be a
bit easier. So there would be some sort of balancing
from the government to do there.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
So we both agree that the quarterly plans action quarterly
pans are great.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
We just want to see them. I mean, that's a pretty.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Big I said, good, you said great.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Okay, all right, okay, Well, I mean that's quite a
good idea, except that not putting the fact that they're
going to do a budget or what there's a little
bit out there for both of Well for me anyway,
I think, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
It reminds me what I do at the beginning of
the week. I do a little to do list so
I can figure out what I have to do in
the week. And the first thing in my to do
list is always make to do list, and I always
ticket right after I've done it, and it makes me
feel a little better about myself.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
That's I mean, this is off top topic, but tatoo
lists are great. I mean, I remember reading an article
about that guy that owns virgin and that one thing
he's always got, Richard, Sir Richard Branson, He's got a
little notebook in his back pocket and a pen. Now,
I love that idea, and it's something that I've talked
about doing for twenty years and never done it. And
I've run out of dishwashing liquid at home for the
(07:10):
last week because of it. Anyway, Select Committee has reported
back on the Treaty Principal's Bill. When will the bill
come back to Parliament and what do you make out
of it? I know that I questioned you this when
it first got released, when you were live in the
studio on Friday.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
What's developed since then?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
To Low, Well, we heard from the Prime Minister this
morning that he said that it was likely to come
before the House this week, so that's the second reading.
So this is all happening quite a bit faster than
we thought it would be. They've actually cut off the
submission period by about a month, so we weren't expecting
this to come until for quite some time. Parliament goes
on recess at the end of this week, so it's
(07:47):
three weeks off over the Easter and Anzac period, so
it would have been pushed way out. So the government's
doing it now. It sounds like they're doing it this week,
and as I understand it, the Prime Minister is going
to release some more information about that later this week
or later today rather at his post cabinet press conference.
And one of the questions he's going to be asked,
of course, is he going to speak on the film? Now?
(08:08):
The Prime Minister has not spoken on any bill so
far since becoming Prime minister. He does question time and
then he gets out of there and so send quite
a statement if he was the one that was opening
the speeches for the government. In fact it'll be David
Seymour because it's his bill. But if the Prime Minister
was in the standings of things, but what could he say?
You know, he could talk about how much he hates
(08:30):
the bill and how much he doesn't see it. But
it's directly because of him that this has become a
live issue. So it's a lot to wrestle with with
the Prime Minister and we'll have to see when it
comes out later today, but it sounds like it will
be this week.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
So is it gathering momentum or lesstening momentum? Going backwards.
Tell me that.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
In what in terms of which side, well.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
I mean as people sort of like had enough of
it and let it go away, or people getting more
hostile about it.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I think this is the climax, like people have had
enough of it, People don't want to see it anymore,
people are sick of it. But this is going to
be quite dramatic conclusion to what has been a controversial
period of New Zealand politics. I mean, you look at
the submission process, three hundred thousand people submitting, admittedly ninety
percent of them against. But David Seymour will be the
first to tell you that what this has done is
(09:21):
sparked a debate and sparked a conversation about what are
the treaty principles and do we need them in New Zealand.
And I think that you can look at the process
that's happened you say, well, that's exactly what's happened to
a scale that I don't even think David Seymour could
have imagined when he envisaged up the bill in opposition.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Anything big happening at the behive this week, anyone visiting
anything going to be released, anything big that our listeners
need to know about.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Oh, the treaty's principle will be the biggest one, so
we'll keep you informed in that. Of course, we've got
the likes of the post cabinet press conference this week.
We're looking out to see if Benjamin Doyle is going
to be back in Parliament. We're not sure if they
are going to be back, of course. Last week Chloe
Swarbrick said that they were taking a week half after
they received quote an immense number of death threats over
(10:05):
their comments on social media that some have described as
sexually suggestive. It's remains to be seen if they will
be back in parliament this week.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
But well, surely there's enough security.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Sorry to interrupt, Jason, very rude to me, but surely
there's enough security to look after in parliament. Why why
don't you get back to work? Does he getting paid?
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Oh? Yeah, they're still getting paid. They don't stop paying
MPs because of these sorts of things. So you know,
there is an argument you made about the security in parliament,
but there is also sort and I know that there'll
be listeners out there that don't sympathize with this perspective,
but I'm going to say it anyway. There is the
sort of the mental health aspect of okay themselves, and
(10:47):
you know if they are back, they will get cameras
shoved in their face and there are questions that they
need to answer. But the party also does have a
duty of care for the MP. Ironically, as I've said before,
I don't think they should have ever been an MP.
The party should have looked at the posts and thought
that this was going to open a can of worms
that they should have seen coming. Nevertheless, now that they
(11:08):
are in Parliament, they do have somewhat of a duty
of care behind the person themselves.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Well, I kind of think that all I wonder, but
I know that he will be Shane Jones. After his
wife Dot got abused or assaulted, supposedly assaulted at the airport.
I'm sure he'll be back at work this week.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
So damn We'll leave it at that. Thanks Jason.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Always a pleasure, Jason, We're always good to talk, Jason
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Said B.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Direct from news Talk Saidb's team a tolerance the bee
Hive buzz.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Johnny Us for the be High Buzzes News Talk said,
be Political editor Jason Wall's good morning, Jason.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Good morning Neck. It's been so long. I've missed you
so much.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Friday Friday to Monday. We're working.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
We're working together. We almost work colleagues at the.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Moment, aren't we joined at the hep una?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Oh gosh, Yes, the government has released their next quarterly
action plan.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Oh my gosh, I wish I was a quicker reader.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
The quarterial Action Plan. Yeah. I meant there's a lot
in there. And I think that I've always been a
big backer of these quarterly action plans. I think it's
quite good for the government to set a bit of
a path forward about what it plans to do, so
it doesn't take anybody by surprise. I mean, it's important
to note that they can deviate from these plans a
little bit, they can do things that aren't in them.
This is just sort of a good pathway forward to
(01:06):
give peace a good idea about what is coming next
and looking at this one. I mean there's a mix
of a few things in here. I mean there's some
some of them that are like, honestly, let's be honest,
pretty marginal. Marginal number one, deliver a budget focused on
boosting economic growth, improving improving social outcomes, controlling government spending
(01:26):
and investing in long term infrastructure. I mean, like, of
course they're going to deliver a budget. We don't need
that on the quarter to Action plan. I mean I
would be more I'd be more curious if it wasn't
on there. You know, Government's always going to deliver a budget.
But there are some in there that are quite a
little bit more specific, including introducing legislation to ratify the
New Zealand United Arab Emirates Comprehensive Economic Partnership. There's introducing
(01:51):
legislation and mending the Overseas Investment Act to make it easier,
quicker and more transparent to foreign investors to invest and
grow in New Zealand businesses. But then there are some
neck that are a little bit more vague that I
look at it and scratch my head a little bit,
like begin consultation on changes to the driver's license system.
What does that mean, be interesting to see what they
(02:13):
plan to do there, introducing legislation to establish invest New
Zealand to a position New Zealand has a premiere is
a premiere destination for foreign direct investment. Again, you know
it's these are nice words, but we don't really know
what they are.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
So again, and had not we, Jason, haven't we actually
seen a bit of this before, haven't we?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I mean, you know, there's nothing new in any of this.
Is he something new?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Oh, there's a lot of new things in here. I
mean things that they've already said that they're planning to do.
I mean, there wasn't apart from this driver's lays in
the thing. I mean that's I don't know why I'm
stuck on this on neck. I'm just curious to see.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Well, they talked.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
About it when they first came into power, weren't they
were going to We did an hour on the show
about what changes they wanted to make. They wanted to
make it more efficient so you didn't have to wait
so long and entire.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Then Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So I think you're probably right.
I think that there are I mean, these the first
one that they ever did we looked through. Oh, geez,
that's new, but they're not, in fact really like breaking news.
Here is a massive new yarn about what the government
is planning on doing. A lot of it is firming
up things that they said that it was going to do.
I mean, technically speaking, the coalition agreements were the quarter one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
(03:22):
et cetera action plans for the government. So this is
just kind of a little bit more detail on how
it plans to flesh it out.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
See.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I like the idea like you, but I also want
to see before the next quarter. I want to see
what was achieved from the last one.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Well they actually do on this one. I mean, looking
back on the first plan, they say thirty seven of
the forty actions from the first quarter were fully completed.
That is, there was one. There were two that were
partially competed completed. One was a process behind a cabinet
paper on the Regulatory Standards Bill that has been complete
but it's considered. It's been considered an upcoming cabinet meeting.
(03:59):
And then there was the Health Infrastructure Investment Plan that
has also been considered by cabinet and as being published shortly.
The only one that they didn't outright do was there
was an uncompleted action plan to quote take Cabinet decisions
on legislation to improve the regulation of medicine medical devices,
and that has been referred to a future Cabinet meeting
to allow for further consultation with the industry. So they say,
(04:23):
you know, thirty seven out of forty. You know, they'd
say a couple of in the train already, so call
that thirty nine out of forty. So they do kind
of say the ones that they didn't get done as well.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
The one that I've sort of fixated on because I
don't think it will happen because I think it will
make it too complicated is the cabinet decision on fleet
wide transition of the road user charges. Now I get
what they're trying to do. They're trying to take it
away from the petrol So every time you pay for
your petrol, you pay for a percentage of that to
the government. So they want to put it onto road
(04:53):
user charges. So if you have an efficient car or
an EV or something that you're not getting as much
money out of it, the government can charge you per
kilometer because that's the damage that it's doing to the road.
And the weight is the damage to the road. I
get all that, but I don't see that happening because
it's instant cash rather than having to send people bills,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Yeah, yeah, I guess this is one of the reasons
why they've gone out for consultation on it, or they've
talked to every single industry body under the sun. They
really want to get a good thrust of information behind
it before they start making decisions. And I reckon they
should talk to you. You sound like you know more
about it than the government does.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Well, it's pretty simplistic, really, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I mean, they obviously now new efficient cars like hybrid
cars and that are getting further for their dollar that
they buy in gas. So if we can actually work
it out by whatever kilometer you do, that's actual cost
on the road and you'll pay for it. But my
issue with it is that you know, roads use the charges.
I do about two times a year and normally I'm
(05:52):
four thousand kilometers over the limit when I actually renew it,
whereas if you're buying gas, you're paying for it at
the pump and the government's getting the money straight away.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah, and I suppose the latter of those two options
is a lot easier for people as well, because you know,
there would be people out there that did know that
they had to pay road user charges and they thought
that the simple system that the pump might be a
bit easier. So there would be some sort of balancing
from the government to do there.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
So we both agree that the quarterly plans action quarterly
pans are great.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
We just want to see them. I mean, that's a pretty.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Big I said, good, you said great.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Okay, all right, okay, Well, I mean that's quite a
good idea, except that not putting the fact that they're
going to do a budget or what there's a little
bit out there for both of Well for me anyway,
I think, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
It reminds me what I do at the beginning of
the week. I do a little to do list so
I can figure out what I have to do in
the week. And the first thing in my to do
list is always make to do list, and I always
ticket right after I've done it, and it makes me
feel a little better about myself.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
That's I mean, this is off top topic, but tatoo
lists are great. I mean, I remember reading an article
about that guy that owns virgin and that one thing
he's always got, Richard, Sir Richard Branson, He's got a
little notebook in his back pocket and a pen. Now,
I love that idea, and it's something that I've talked
about doing for twenty years and never done it. And
I've run out of dishwashing liquid at home for the
(07:10):
last week because of it. Anyway, Select Committee has reported
back on the Treaty Principal's Bill. When will the bill
come back to Parliament and what do you make out
of it? I know that I questioned you this when
it first got released, when you were live in the
studio on Friday.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
What's developed since then?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
To Low, Well, we heard from the Prime Minister this
morning that he said that it was likely to come
before the House this week, so that's the second reading.
So this is all happening quite a bit faster than
we thought it would be. They've actually cut off the
submission period by about a month, so we weren't expecting
this to come until for quite some time. Parliament goes
on recess at the end of this week, so it's
(07:47):
three weeks off over the Easter and Anzac period, so
it would have been pushed way out. So the government's
doing it now. It sounds like they're doing it this week,
and as I understand it, the Prime Minister is going
to release some more information about that later this week
or later today rather at his post cabinet press conference.
And one of the questions he's going to be asked,
of course, is he going to speak on the film? Now?
(08:08):
The Prime Minister has not spoken on any bill so
far since becoming Prime minister. He does question time and
then he gets out of there and so send quite
a statement if he was the one that was opening
the speeches for the government. In fact it'll be David
Seymour because it's his bill. But if the Prime Minister
was in the standings of things, but what could he say?
You know, he could talk about how much he hates
(08:30):
the bill and how much he doesn't see it. But
it's directly because of him that this has become a
live issue. So it's a lot to wrestle with with
the Prime Minister and we'll have to see when it
comes out later today, but it sounds like it will
be this week.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
So is it gathering momentum or lesstening momentum? Going backwards.
Tell me that.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
In what in terms of which side, well.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
I mean as people sort of like had enough of
it and let it go away, or people getting more
hostile about it.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I think this is the climax, like people have had
enough of it, People don't want to see it anymore,
people are sick of it. But this is going to
be quite dramatic conclusion to what has been a controversial
period of New Zealand politics. I mean, you look at
the submission process, three hundred thousand people submitting, admittedly ninety
percent of them against. But David Seymour will be the
first to tell you that what this has done is
(09:21):
sparked a debate and sparked a conversation about what are
the treaty principles and do we need them in New Zealand.
And I think that you can look at the process
that's happened you say, well, that's exactly what's happened to
a scale that I don't even think David Seymour could
have imagined when he envisaged up the bill in opposition.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Anything big happening at the behive this week, anyone visiting
anything going to be released, anything big that our listeners
need to know about.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Oh, the treaty's principle will be the biggest one, so
we'll keep you informed in that. Of course, we've got
the likes of the post cabinet press conference this week.
We're looking out to see if Benjamin Doyle is going
to be back in Parliament. We're not sure if they
are going to be back, of course. Last week Chloe
Swarbrick said that they were taking a week half after
they received quote an immense number of death threats over
(10:05):
their comments on social media that some have described as
sexually suggestive. It's remains to be seen if they will
be back in parliament this week.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
But well, surely there's enough security.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Sorry to interrupt, Jason, very rude to me, but surely
there's enough security to look after in parliament. Why why
don't you get back to work? Does he getting paid?
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Oh? Yeah, they're still getting paid. They don't stop paying
MPs because of these sorts of things. So you know,
there is an argument you made about the security in parliament,
but there is also sort and I know that there'll
be listeners out there that don't sympathize with this perspective,
but I'm going to say it anyway. There is the
sort of the mental health aspect of okay themselves, and
(10:47):
you know if they are back, they will get cameras
shoved in their face and there are questions that they
need to answer. But the party also does have a
duty of care for the MP. Ironically, as I've said before,
I don't think they should have ever been an MP.
The party should have looked at the posts and thought
that this was going to open a can of worms
that they should have seen coming. Nevertheless, now that they
(11:08):
are in Parliament, they do have somewhat of a duty
of care behind the person themselves.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Well, I kind of think that all I wonder, but
I know that he will be Shane Jones. After his
wife Dot got abused or assaulted, supposedly assaulted at the airport.
I'm sure he'll be back at work this week.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
So damn We'll leave it at that. Thanks Jason.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Always a pleasure, Jason, We're always good to talk, Jason
Wall's beehiveh Buzz News Talks, heat be'st political editor.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
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