The All Blacks take on France in the second test in Wellington tomorrow night - and the city is buzzing ahead of the game.
The The 28th Cello Champions Charity Luncheon was held on Friday ahead of the event, with a stellar line up of former All Blacks including Frank Bunce and Josh Kronfeld.
Frank Bunce played 69 All Black games - including 55 tests - between 1992 and 1997, while Josh Kronfeld played 56 All Blacks games - including 54 tests - between 1995 and 2000.
The pair joined Nick Mills to share their memories of the infamous 1995 Rugby World Cup, as well as their predictions ahead of the All Blacks' second test against the French tomorrow night.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from News Talk sed B live ahead of the Champions
Lunch fundraiser at Taquena Convention Center. Wellington Mornings with Nick
Mills and Wellington Airport Daily Quantus flights to Brisbane available
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well, we'd be lucky enough to be joined by another
couple of very very special guests here for the Champions Lunch. Now,
when I think about these two guys, now, I'll do
the intro. Both Frank Bruntz and Josh Colmfield played and
this is where I.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Remember them by.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
This is in my mind the nineteen ninety five World
Cup in South Africa. They both played in the final.
Wasn't that great results? Welcome guys. It wasn't tell us
what happened in that game?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Come on, yeah, what happened? Who missed to tackle?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Which?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
What did you mister tackle? With Josh?
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Part of the game I remember is because it was
like double overtimes or something something like that. And I
remember they made a surge and they got all the
way up and I knew that they were going to
do the drop cake, and I remember coming.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Off the side, I think it was a scrum. Was
a scrum. I remember coming off the side of that.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Your job to stop them, to stop the I started.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
And I started running and there was nothing, and I
was thinking, Mourts will get there, Morts will.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Get he's just outside. And I looked over and he
wasn't there either, and I just went on.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
So he relied a World Cup final, he relied on
the first five to stop.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
That was his job.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
And he was supposedly that real quick I mean, at
his day, he was supposedly that real open side.
Speaker 6 (01:42):
Here.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I mean, you know, he was that the quick number seven.
Remember we used to turn out He wasn't.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Sorry, that's a right, I'll take it. I'll take it.
I'll take it.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
That that game for me, like when we first ran out,
and you know, disregard to all the other stuff that
went on, por I was.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Going to get to that. I've got to get to
how you're feeling. But we'll get to that.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
You know when you walk when we ran out, the atmosphere,
you know you just because Ellis Park anyway, is you know,
really intimidating.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
You felt today physically just run out and just.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So let's talk about Susie, my girlfriend, now if the
listeners don't know who Susie was, Susie was infamous because
she apparently she apparently puts something we talk about the
mushroom situation at the apparently puts some poison.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Who was sick? Everybody, everybody except I think.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
There's a couple because I think some of the boys. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah,
don't Jonah was sponsored by McDonald's. Didn't it wasn't it
was a professional game, then, can I can?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I can?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I ask you as a couple of legends. And if
you're just joined the show.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
We've got Frank Bunce and Jos's Confield joining us on
the show. I'm involved in sports too, right, And when
I meet guys, all they seem to want to talk
about is the missed opportunities. I mean, if you guys
now were playing in today's game, you'd be millionaires.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
Yeah, that's the missed opportunity it is.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I try not to think about it like that.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
People people ask me if I, you know, if i'd
like to be playing these days, And the only reason
I'd like to be playing these days is for the money.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
You know.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
I don't think the game is better, No, I think
our era was. You know, the game was Do you
really believe that?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I mean every era will tell you that. Yeah, every
era era will say.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
That they were better.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Josh, do you actually believe that that ninety five team
could beat the twenty twenty five team?
Speaker 6 (03:46):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Yeah, I'm stand Like if we're training the same all
that sort of stuff, even Stevens, I mean, it'll be
it'd be hard the fact that most of us are about
fifty years old now, so you know.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
But you know, like definitely like skill. See it's definitely on.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
A par but the game is quite different too, you know,
like I reckon we in some ways we came from
a real romantic period of rugby.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
You know, like there was as fast and flying, the
crowds were massive.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
You know, everyone was excited to be there. The crowd
felt part of the game. You know, they come on.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
The field at the end. There was just lots of
lots of great stuff that surrounded us. But no, I
definitely feel like we could.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
That really surprised. Mean, tell me what your emotion was like.
Now you're part Polynesian, so you'll be very emotional.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I'm not labeling you here, but and that changing he
is man when you went into that.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Changing room after that game. I mean that will after
the final.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
I can't remember the changing room, to be honest, after
straight after the game. You know, you were just but
see I went through I went through that whole game
thinking we were going to win. You know, we were
on the verge of winning, and man the whole time,
believe that it's it's almost it's gonna happen. It's going
to happen. It's going to know, did you really Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
No, different, Yeah, no, I definitely like we were a
better team. You know, like as when I talk to
people about.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
It, I felt like there was there was something bigger
than us going on there and I kind of noticed it.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
There was the whole even just how South Africa got
to the fight.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
You know that the French semi final, the heavens opening up.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
And you remember they had all the black community sweeping the.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Ground of water and and the French had already gone
down there were down there for six hours before they
decided that they were going to you know, just delayed
delay the game, and the South Afrings never.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Came down, you know. So there was all these little nuances.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
That were going on, and then we got to the
final and I never had any doubt that we wouldn't
be able to beat them, But the game went the
way it went, and and and I think in some
ways we kind of overplayed our hand, you know, like
we only played in one style of game and that
that suited and they were they were, Josh, gone their homework,
(06:13):
they'd done their homework. Josh, can I ask you a
question because ninety nine was that worse than ninety five?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Ah?
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Nah?
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Just different, just different, you know.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Fortunate to go to two wheel cuts, but you know,
didn't come away with any hardware. And that team was
sensational team as well, but it was a team of individuals,
you know. That's the difference between the ninety five and
the ninety nine. Ninety nine were absolute school sets, but
all on their own tours.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
And that's what I felt like.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Before those champions lunch were enjoyed by Frank Buns and
Josh Cornfield. Frank, before we went to the break, you
said that you like playing in Wellington. Your favorite ground
is in Wellington. Now that might freak out a few people.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
Well Athletic Park. It was for me, the atmosphere, you know,
there was no better. Actually you could, I mean you
could you never remember the stead what was that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
That so steep, you know, so there behind that was ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
But you could see people's faces, you know, you're standing
on the field and you could turn around and you
can you know, was like I'm looking at you.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Was that the one that used to shake?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
And when it was fully loaded one hundred percent?
Speaker 4 (07:30):
It was awesome.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
But another thing that I liked, you you know, because
it was Josh was saying it was dingy, and you know,
towards the end and it was. But that's what I
liked about it.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
You know, you always liked well the South Africans did
they did they stay the night the night before a test?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Manually, remember when all the protesting.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Josh, you're a character, right, I mean you were a
character before characters had protest on your head. You know,
you pushed the barriers. Tell us who your favorite teammate was.
Tell us who someone that you actually could relate to
and was happy being a little bit of might.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
You I pretty much enjoyed everybody in the team, you know,
because everybody's quite unique, and you don't sometimes you spend
a lot of time with one or two players, but.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
In the environments that I was who I had around me.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
You always kind of did things in many groups, you know,
Like I spent time with Frank. I always knew when
we went to play golf, Frank wouldn't be playing golf,
and so I wasn't really a golfer, So we'd sit
at the.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Bar and have a few drinks.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
And so, you know, I've got to know Frank quite
well and done lots of different stuff past, you know,
since we've finished playing footy together, and then on the
flip side, you know, obviously your target teammates, and like
ge Wilson, Jonah Jonah was was my movie mate, you know,
like we always used to go to the movies with
Jack up the movies together and then the boys may
(08:58):
or may not come along with us, but I can
remember going to the movies to be just me and him,
you know.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
So yeah, I kind of just I don't think I
had any friends, how you finding them? I just sifted
around the team.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Frank, did you make lifetime friends out of those all
black trailers that you actually still are friends with now.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
With the teammates? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think
that's the beauty of rugby as well, and beauty of sport,
the beauty of sport. Yeah, you know, I've still got
club meets. You know, Menecaur rugby club up in Auckland
and I played with since I was a boy. I'm
still friends with, you know, lots of people up there.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
But nothing changes though whenever we catch art, and that's
across all the boys.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
It's just like you're there used today in the team.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
You know, you have reunions with the provincial players and
stuff like that, and the exact same more honestly goes on.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
And when you get a few drinks to get the
same guys playing, same guys looking after them, you know
that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
We've got to get a couple of minutes left, so
let's talk about the current all Black squad. And I
mean there's been a lot of publicity and I don't
need to add to it that the French were sending
a B team over Josh. I mean they didn't look
like a B team last Saturday.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Oh look, I'm just really annoyed that we've carried on
like that.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
And and you know, like every country is allowed to
do what they want to do, and I like the
fact that they've sent someone in you and exciting we
kind of do it, but we don't do it to
the extent that they've done it. But you got to remember,
my understanding is all those guys are that they've come
out of the under twenties World.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Cups and haven't made been one one one.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Yeah, so like those that in the next generation, and crikey,
they they they formed, you know, I know there were
like four missed opportunities and whatnot, but crikey, they weren't try,
you know, so you've got to You've got to go
and play what's in front of me. And I just so,
I thought the French were a lot bigger than and
(10:53):
I was disappointed the way we've reacted to it.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
All Okay, Frank, you said that you both discussed it.
You thought that your team when ninety five was better
than the current or back team.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Where do you see the.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Where do you see the better You said you'd beat them,
that's all right, So where do you see the current
all black squad right now?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
I mean, where do you see? Where do you think
we are? I look at South Africa and say we
can't beat them?
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Yeah, well right at the right now we're building. You know,
we've definitely got work to do after last week. But
you know, he's brought in, he's brought in a few
new players, he's moving a few positions around. But well,
we're definitely not in South Africa's league at the moment,
but I'd say we're as good as anyone else. You know,
(11:36):
South Africa is the benchmark. Yep, yep, definitely at the moment.
You know, and they've been They've been for two, three
four years.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I'd like to say fifty or sixty years. Really, I mean,
if we ever beat South Africa, no matter when, it's
a great event.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Exactly exactly.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I look, I think too, you know, like it's just
how will rugby works.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
You know, like a team creates dominance.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Because they've got a style or a pattern that just
really works for them. And you know, everybody now is
trying to scrape together. How do we find a rhythm
or a way to beat this current setup?
Speaker 4 (12:16):
And you know, like everyone.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Talks about the bomb squad and you know, do we
match it with another bomb square out squad?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Or do we do out of the world? Was something
completely unique?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Can I ask you both quick picks? We've got to
go to the news break. Frank Buntz who's going to win?
What's the score going to be tomorrow?
Speaker 6 (12:31):
And I would say this is where I'm worried about
the French. You know, they had a big It's it's easy,
you know, in your first game. That's where they can
build themselves up. They we're getting criticized in all of this,
so you know, you can get yourself up for a
game with there this week is another story. So whether
they can get that consistency. But I'm picking the All
(12:52):
Blacks are going to be a whole lot better and
we're going to win by twenty. You know, we're gonna
win by a good score.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Yeah, I think that that that point margins about right.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
But at the same time the French too, but it
might't be wrong.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah, they'll got it.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Rap.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Sorry, guys, I've got a rap.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
But it's been absolutely magnificent to have you both here,
and thank you for coming and being part of this
champions lunch. Thank you for giving up your time and
we really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
It's a damn good cause, you know why not.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Frank Buntz Josh Confield joining us live on Wellington Mornings.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well, we'd be lucky enough to be joined by another
couple of very very special guests here for the Champions Lunch. Now,
when I think about these two guys, now, I'll do
the intro. Both Frank Bruntz and Josh Colmfield played and
this is where I.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Remember them by.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
This is in my mind the nineteen ninety five World
Cup in South Africa. They both played in the final.
Wasn't that great results? Welcome guys. It wasn't tell us
what happened in that game?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Come on, yeah, what happened? Who missed to tackle?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Which?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
What did you mister tackle? With Josh?
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Part of the game I remember is because it was
like double overtimes or something something like that. And I
remember they made a surge and they got all the
way up and I knew that they were going to
do the drop cake, and I remember coming.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Off the side, I think it was a scrum. Was
a scrum. I remember coming off the side of that.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Your job to stop them, to stop the I started.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
And I started running and there was nothing, and I
was thinking, Mourts will get there, Morts will.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Get he's just outside. And I looked over and he
wasn't there either, and I just went on.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
So he relied a World Cup final, he relied on
the first five to stop.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
That was his job.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
And he was supposedly that real quick I mean, at
his day, he was supposedly that real open side.
Speaker 6 (01:42):
Here.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I mean, you know, he was that the quick number seven.
Remember we used to turn out He wasn't.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Sorry, that's a right, I'll take it. I'll take it.
I'll take it.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
That that game for me, like when we first ran out,
and you know, disregard to all the other stuff that
went on, por I was.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Going to get to that. I've got to get to
how you're feeling. But we'll get to that.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
You know when you walk when we ran out, the atmosphere,
you know you just because Ellis Park anyway, is you know,
really intimidating.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
You felt today physically just run out and just.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So let's talk about Susie, my girlfriend, now if the
listeners don't know who Susie was, Susie was infamous because
she apparently she apparently puts something we talk about the
mushroom situation at the apparently puts some poison.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Who was sick? Everybody, everybody except I think.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
There's a couple because I think some of the boys. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah,
don't Jonah was sponsored by McDonald's. Didn't it wasn't it
was a professional game, then, can I can?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I can?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I ask you as a couple of legends. And if
you're just joined the show.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
We've got Frank Bunce and Jos's Confield joining us on
the show. I'm involved in sports too, right, And when
I meet guys, all they seem to want to talk
about is the missed opportunities. I mean, if you guys
now were playing in today's game, you'd be millionaires.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
Yeah, that's the missed opportunity it is.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I try not to think about it like that.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
People people ask me if I, you know, if i'd
like to be playing these days, And the only reason
I'd like to be playing these days is for the money.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
You know.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
I don't think the game is better, No, I think
our era was. You know, the game was Do you
really believe that?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I mean every era will tell you that. Yeah, every
era era will say.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
That they were better.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Josh, do you actually believe that that ninety five team
could beat the twenty twenty five team?
Speaker 6 (03:46):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Yeah, I'm stand Like if we're training the same all
that sort of stuff, even Stevens, I mean, it'll be
it'd be hard the fact that most of us are about
fifty years old now, so you know.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
But you know, like definitely like skill. See it's definitely on.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
A par but the game is quite different too, you know,
like I reckon we in some ways we came from
a real romantic period of rugby.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
You know, like there was as fast and flying, the
crowds were massive.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
You know, everyone was excited to be there. The crowd
felt part of the game. You know, they come on.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
The field at the end. There was just lots of
lots of great stuff that surrounded us. But no, I
definitely feel like we could.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
That really surprised. Mean, tell me what your emotion was like.
Now you're part Polynesian, so you'll be very emotional.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I'm not labeling you here, but and that changing he
is man when you went into that.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Changing room after that game. I mean that will after
the final.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
I can't remember the changing room, to be honest, after
straight after the game. You know, you were just but
see I went through I went through that whole game
thinking we were going to win. You know, we were
on the verge of winning, and man the whole time,
believe that it's it's almost it's gonna happen. It's going
to happen. It's going to know, did you really Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
No, different, Yeah, no, I definitely like we were a
better team. You know, like as when I talk to
people about.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
It, I felt like there was there was something bigger
than us going on there and I kind of noticed it.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
There was the whole even just how South Africa got
to the fight.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
You know that the French semi final, the heavens opening up.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
And you remember they had all the black community sweeping the.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Ground of water and and the French had already gone
down there were down there for six hours before they
decided that they were going to you know, just delayed
delay the game, and the South Afrings never.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Came down, you know. So there was all these little nuances.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
That were going on, and then we got to the
final and I never had any doubt that we wouldn't
be able to beat them, But the game went the
way it went, and and and I think in some
ways we kind of overplayed our hand, you know, like
we only played in one style of game and that
that suited and they were they were, Josh, gone their homework,
(06:13):
they'd done their homework. Josh, can I ask you a
question because ninety nine was that worse than ninety five?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Ah?
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Nah?
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Just different, just different, you know.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Fortunate to go to two wheel cuts, but you know,
didn't come away with any hardware. And that team was
sensational team as well, but it was a team of individuals,
you know. That's the difference between the ninety five and
the ninety nine. Ninety nine were absolute school sets, but
all on their own tours.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
And that's what I felt like.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Before those champions lunch were enjoyed by Frank Buns and
Josh Cornfield. Frank, before we went to the break, you
said that you like playing in Wellington. Your favorite ground
is in Wellington. Now that might freak out a few people.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
Well Athletic Park. It was for me, the atmosphere, you know,
there was no better. Actually you could, I mean you
could you never remember the stead what was that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
That so steep, you know, so there behind that was ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
But you could see people's faces, you know, you're standing
on the field and you could turn around and you
can you know, was like I'm looking at you.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Was that the one that used to shake?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
And when it was fully loaded one hundred percent?
Speaker 4 (07:30):
It was awesome.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
But another thing that I liked, you you know, because
it was Josh was saying it was dingy, and you know,
towards the end and it was. But that's what I
liked about it.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
You know, you always liked well the South Africans did
they did they stay the night the night before a test?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Manually, remember when all the protesting.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Josh, you're a character, right, I mean you were a
character before characters had protest on your head. You know,
you pushed the barriers. Tell us who your favorite teammate was.
Tell us who someone that you actually could relate to
and was happy being a little bit of might.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
You I pretty much enjoyed everybody in the team, you know,
because everybody's quite unique, and you don't sometimes you spend
a lot of time with one or two players, but.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
In the environments that I was who I had around me.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
You always kind of did things in many groups, you know,
Like I spent time with Frank. I always knew when
we went to play golf, Frank wouldn't be playing golf,
and so I wasn't really a golfer, So we'd sit
at the.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Bar and have a few drinks.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
And so, you know, I've got to know Frank quite
well and done lots of different stuff past, you know,
since we've finished playing footy together, and then on the
flip side, you know, obviously your target teammates, and like
ge Wilson, Jonah Jonah was was my movie mate, you know,
like we always used to go to the movies with
Jack up the movies together and then the boys may
(08:58):
or may not come along with us, but I can
remember going to the movies to be just me and him,
you know.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
So yeah, I kind of just I don't think I
had any friends, how you finding them? I just sifted
around the team.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Frank, did you make lifetime friends out of those all
black trailers that you actually still are friends with now.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
With the teammates? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think
that's the beauty of rugby as well, and beauty of sport,
the beauty of sport. Yeah, you know, I've still got
club meets. You know, Menecaur rugby club up in Auckland
and I played with since I was a boy. I'm
still friends with, you know, lots of people up there.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
But nothing changes though whenever we catch art, and that's
across all the boys.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
It's just like you're there used today in the team.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
You know, you have reunions with the provincial players and
stuff like that, and the exact same more honestly goes on.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
And when you get a few drinks to get the
same guys playing, same guys looking after them, you know
that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
We've got to get a couple of minutes left, so
let's talk about the current all Black squad. And I
mean there's been a lot of publicity and I don't
need to add to it that the French were sending
a B team over Josh. I mean they didn't look
like a B team last Saturday.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Oh look, I'm just really annoyed that we've carried on
like that.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
And and you know, like every country is allowed to
do what they want to do, and I like the
fact that they've sent someone in you and exciting we
kind of do it, but we don't do it to
the extent that they've done it. But you got to remember,
my understanding is all those guys are that they've come
out of the under twenties World.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Cups and haven't made been one one one.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Yeah, so like those that in the next generation, and crikey,
they they they formed, you know, I know there were
like four missed opportunities and whatnot, but crikey, they weren't try,
you know, so you've got to You've got to go
and play what's in front of me. And I just so,
I thought the French were a lot bigger than and
(10:53):
I was disappointed the way we've reacted to it.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
All Okay, Frank, you said that you both discussed it.
You thought that your team when ninety five was better
than the current or back team.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Where do you see the.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Where do you see the better You said you'd beat them,
that's all right, So where do you see the current
all black squad right now?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
I mean, where do you see? Where do you think
we are? I look at South Africa and say we
can't beat them?
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Yeah, well right at the right now we're building. You know,
we've definitely got work to do after last week. But
you know, he's brought in, he's brought in a few
new players, he's moving a few positions around. But well,
we're definitely not in South Africa's league at the moment,
but I'd say we're as good as anyone else. You know,
(11:36):
South Africa is the benchmark. Yep, yep, definitely at the moment.
You know, and they've been They've been for two, three
four years.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I'd like to say fifty or sixty years. Really, I mean,
if we ever beat South Africa, no matter when, it's
a great event.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Exactly exactly.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I look, I think too, you know, like it's just
how will rugby works.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
You know, like a team creates dominance.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Because they've got a style or a pattern that just
really works for them. And you know, everybody now is
trying to scrape together. How do we find a rhythm
or a way to beat this current setup?
Speaker 4 (12:16):
And you know, like everyone.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Talks about the bomb squad and you know, do we
match it with another bomb square out squad?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Or do we do out of the world? Was something
completely unique?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Can I ask you both quick picks? We've got to
go to the news break. Frank Buntz who's going to win?
What's the score going to be tomorrow?
Speaker 6 (12:31):
And I would say this is where I'm worried about
the French. You know, they had a big It's it's easy,
you know, in your first game. That's where they can
build themselves up. They we're getting criticized in all of this,
so you know, you can get yourself up for a
game with there this week is another story. So whether
they can get that consistency. But I'm picking the All
(12:52):
Blacks are going to be a whole lot better and
we're going to win by twenty. You know, we're gonna
win by a good score.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Yeah, I think that that that point margins about right.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
But at the same time the French too, but it
might't be wrong.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah, they'll got it.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Rap.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Sorry, guys, I've got a rap.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
But it's been absolutely magnificent to have you both here,
and thank you for coming and being part of this
champions lunch. Thank you for giving up your time and
we really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
It's a damn good cause, you know why not.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Frank Buntz Josh Confield joining us live on Wellington Mornings.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
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