December 11, 2025 • 11 mins
For this week's Friday Sport Kick-off, Newstalk ZB’s All Sports Breakfast Adam Cooper and Nick Mills are joined by ZB’s cricket reporter Andrew Alderson to chat about the Black Caps test.
What's the vibe at the basin this weekend, Alderson tells us all about the last few days, and how the coming ones are looking.
Adam and Nick also discuss the Hurricanes. What will Gillies bring to the team, plus a new coaching addition. And, how will the Phoenix and Saints go this weekend? Find out on this week's Friday Sports Kickoff.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from News Talk said B getting use it for your
sporting weekend. It's the Wellington Mornings Friday sport kickoff on
News Talk saed B. It must be that time of
(00:29):
the week.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
We're getting my favorite piece of music, All Sports Breakfast Hopes,
Adam Cooper Morning Coops. It does Friday sports kickoff, by.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
The way, it is, yeah, and pleasure to be here
and pleasure to have a very special guest from down
at the basin, Andrew Orson.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Andrew Ortison, Condundrum. I love that word. What do you
use you lose lovely big words in your broadcast? Condundrum?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Well, going to try and just to sort of, you know,
I guess, explain things. But I do appreciate a bit
of Elman passes project the hero with the serious young
on with the music there from what the Chicago Bulls
is that regular?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
That's our theme to our music slot on the show,
on our sports slot on the show.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Also the theme to a very well known Wellington basketball
team when they're players right out onto the field to orders.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
You know what, he wouldn't even have a clue, He
wouldn't even know who the Saints. Has he never missed
us once any of us news per breaks. Ever, I
always we have a big wood and I get up
at five o'clock in the morning to listen to in
Ortison and he never mentions us well talked about basin reserve.
Let's get down to what you had expert in. Okay,
two down, still behind? Is there a game on here?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
It is, but a lot of it relies on probably
a couple of withs in these batterers in the form
of Shay Hope and Justin Graves, who saw they were
capable of engineering at Hagley Oval, surviving in that last
innings there, and it's really where they can do it today.
And we've got the suddenly coming in fine day forecast.
I think it's going to be tricky to bowl and
next to be honest, with the New Zealanders coming out
(01:59):
and they've got this Newish ball in ten overs old
as how much do they push it up there at
the risk of bowling half volleys, but to tempt these
Western Thees batters into playing some shots and getting these wickets,
the problem being, of course they're one bowler down and
the best bowler from their first innings in blaed Tickner
four for thirty two from sixteen overs and I'm just
watching out of the ground at the moment to sing
(02:21):
him with a sling on his arm and a beanie
on his head, and yeah he looks rather forlorn.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, yeah, all this is right, Nick. It's been an
interesting old test, hasn't It just felt like, you know,
it's one domino after another, both previous test and enduring
with that huge loss of blad Tickner the other day.
I mean, I don't think I can ever recall being
at the Basin Reserve and seeing a stretcher come onto
the field. It was quite dramatic and pretty worrying at
times when he saw him dive down for that boundary
(02:48):
and knock it up for a very long time until
you know, a couple of medics and support staff from
both teams were there to help him out. So yeah,
a real setback from he's head of not having him
in the second innings. I do back. You know, jackob Duffy,
you've obviously got a quick work up before that the
end of play yesterday, you're going to have to really
sort of put the onus on someone like him, you know,
you talk about experience, if you're listening to them, he's
(03:08):
probably sort of one of one of the top there
in terms of these Black Caps bowlers that are here
who could get the job done. Obviously Michael Ray there
too with his headband and he seems to have been
ready and you know, lapping up the occasion. But he'll
be probably having a bit of a spring as springing
a step after a late success yesterday too.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Andrew, I know from my experience of spending many, many
many days at the basin that the West Indians aren't
going to enjoy that suddenly coming through. They're going to
have two jerseys on. They're not going to enjoy it,
are they?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
No, Well, I think that there's potential vulnerability there isn't that?
And I think, yeah, just looking out there at the moment,
it's definitely a day for the sleeveless pullover, if not
the full pullover out of the wardrobe, probably for both
teams as it suddenly comes through, and it's about probably
attacking that and making sure that you know that you
know you're taking advantage of everything you can from a
(03:58):
New Zealand perspective, once they head out there this morning,
and I think, well, thirty two to two is still
forty one runs behind. I think they are in a
position of strength New Zealand against the West Indian side
and they really have to make the most of it,
probably in that first hour or so. But if the
West Indians anchor in and take it into a fourth day,
(04:19):
well it's going to be it's going to be challenging.
I think we might be looking to maybe a survival
or at least an effort from say a Cain Williamson
home on the fourth day.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I was just about to say, well, you know, the
base reserve is synonymous with some really big scores and
I'm thinking Caine Williamson for one hundred and fifty if
he needs to. I was thinking exactly what you.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Were thinking, indeed, And you know in that first things
Williamson was just looking brilliant. It is absolute scintillating, elegant
best with something that stroke making. He was going going
to run a ball at one stage there it just
took it. An absolutely outstanding leg cut of delivery from
Anderson Phillip mean that that was really one of the
greats to Williamson was right behind it, but it just
(05:02):
jagged away and it tapped us off stump, So you
know you can't argue with that as a poor dismissal.
It was magnificent to watch, but there's not to say
that caming In was not in form, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, And obviously you know it's off at a time
neck when we've seen locals do very well as well
at the base in reserve as well. Russian Ravendra comes
into this test on the back of one hundred and
fifty down and down in christ Church. He's continuing to develop,
I think as a reliable, you know, sort of top
to middle order batter and red bull crickets. So look,
john Way did look good for the sort of you know,
stinty heads out there too, So you know there's there's
(05:36):
a good chance here on a flattening deck for some
of these guys to actually, you know, stake a claim
and up their averages and get set for actually what
is quite an exciting twelve months of cricket ahead at
a time when the Test makeup looks, you know, like
it's going to be a very changing beast.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Might be a what is it to ninety nine by
a certain Martin Crowe and a couple of holes in
the walls and the change room after he got out.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Who could forget? Who could forget the delicate edge?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Thanks scating, appreciate it, Andrew. I really it's really lovely
to have you in the city. And I hope hopefully
the cold suddenly won't put you off too much today.
But me and Coops will stay in the studio today.
I don't think we'll venture down to the base in Reserve.
That's that's a little bit chilly for even us.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I thought you'd he sold these sort of old timers
here just weach into the beat and being. But it
is still wonderful here. I always love coming out of
the base and see us, you know, Bahuda, Karla coming
into bloom et cetera, around the ground and it's it's
just such a wonderful setting. Well cricket, but certainly test cricket.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Thanks Andrew, appreciate, appreciate you coming on and getting us
up to date with what's happening at the base and reserve. Okay, Coeps, Hurricanes,
new owners, a head coach coming back as an assistant coach,
and now I'm excited about the ownership.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
I've got it.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I've got to him, Matt. I think you know, you
know what I'm about with private ownership and sports teams worldwide.
I was actually talking to Jason Wellsey, ex cricketer in
the street the other day and he was saying, worldwide
private ownership sports teams are the successful.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yep, totally. Well it's a high risk, high reward environment,
isn't it. And you know the American model, you know,
with you know, big big time owners that are successful
in other ventures often see success or you know, so
there's some other occasions where when it doesn't quite work out.
But I think you have to say Malcolm Gilli's everything
he's done here in Wellington as amazing, you know, obviously
all the housing developments, but his relation to sport in
(07:29):
terms of the nsed CIS facility out there. He's been
a rugby guy for years, you know, around Wellington, but
big involvement in some of the clubs out in the Hearts.
So I think this is only a good thing for
the Hurricanes. They need it desperately. They need someone I
think to come in and just think well why are
we doing that? And just because you'd been doing that
since the hurricane started at nineteen ninety six doesn't mean
you need to keep doing it. So it's really I
(07:52):
wouldn't say life or death, but I think it's a
huge turning point in this franchise because since COVID, you know,
the books have not been in a good way, and
despite through a lot of this time, they've had arguably
the best squad for a Super Rugby campaign and should
have been close to winning on the field too, So
we will see where that goes. Yeah, Jason Holland coming
back very weird as.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
A sports broadcaster, as a sports guy. Is that a
weird decision because it feels very weird to me as
a sports owner.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, well, I guess you look at his shoes. I
know he's based in Wellington, his family's Wellington based, so
I guess he finished up with the All Blacks and thought, well,
I need a job and what can I do? I
can coach rugby. Man who's here where you can coach
rugby professionally? The Hurricanes? So he never left on bad
terms with the Hurricanes. You know, He's obviously got a
good relationship with Clark Laidore and the other coaches that
worked under him, as well the likes of the Corey
(08:39):
Janes and others who are in that mix. It is
quite surprising for me to see he's not replacing anyone
They've created a role for.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Hi's a little murmur on the street. Can I say this,
a little murmur on.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
The stat I don't know what it is. So you
go for a little.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Murmur on the street that maybe that one of those
assistants of the hurricanes might be moving upwards. Yep, I
mean Cory Jane.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
There's always that spamulation, right. Corey Janes had been very
well credited across the Rugby fraternity for his work. Her
man Jamie McIntosh Whopper both went on traveling with the
All Blacks fifteen under Jamie Joseph, so you know, they
they are getting noticed. So I mean, maybe this is
a case of hey, let's get Jason Holland and just
in case if one of these high performers from the
last couple of years, you know, gets the not up
(09:25):
and you know, and Corey Jane and Jamie McIntosh's case.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
With I's both very very high profile people but both exallably.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Absolutely yeah, so we'll see whe we go. But I mean,
Jason Holland sounds like a nice guy to have around.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
So great, I know, I feel like I'm rushing you
because I want to get these two next stories. And
Phoenix Men play Newcastle on Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
You'll be there, We'll be there.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
What's what do you think need a win?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And I don't have much faith to be another good crowd.
There's no trains on some of the lines, so it's
going to be tough for the Phoenix. But you know,
I don't think their results have necessarily reflected some of
the promise they have this year and some of the talent.
They have two wins from seven games, you know, even
the derby last weekend they just lost the key moments
which ultimately lost them the game. So it's just being
a little bit more onto it and I think we'll
(10:07):
see a few results go their way. But two weekends
back to back at home, they've got to get two
wins before Christmas. Otherwise we can almost say they're out
of contention. And the bubble of screens, yes, it just
keeps going for Wellington Olympic, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I love the bubble of.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Three peat possibly for them this year. They've already got
the Central League, already got the Chatham Cup, so National
League Final tomorrow night at Newtown Park six o'clock up
against Auckland City. Huge game for them. Yeah, it just
keeps on going for them, doesn't it. They're in a
great footballing dynasty here in Wellington at the moment.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
And if they do win, you know what, I've got, coops,
and I've got it on the market right now. I'm
trying to sell it. I've got the number plate three
p there go because the Saints have never won a
three peat. I've given up. I've given up in my life.
We're going to go another two years. So I'm selling
that number plate. So anyone in the bubblin squeaks.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Paul I feel will be giving you a call.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Is he the coach?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
He's the coach?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Oh great, I saw him in the supermarket. He's a
big guy.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Is your song?
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It's a big guy.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
He is a big guy, very big guy.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
For more from Wellington Mornings with Nick Mills, listen live
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You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from News Talk said B getting use it for your
sporting weekend. It's the Wellington Mornings Friday sport kickoff on
News Talk saed B. It must be that time of
(00:29):
the week.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
We're getting my favorite piece of music, All Sports Breakfast Hopes,
Adam Cooper Morning Coops. It does Friday sports kickoff, by.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
The way, it is, yeah, and pleasure to be here
and pleasure to have a very special guest from down
at the basin, Andrew Orson.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Andrew Ortison, Condundrum. I love that word. What do you
use you lose lovely big words in your broadcast? Condundrum?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Well, going to try and just to sort of, you know,
I guess, explain things. But I do appreciate a bit
of Elman passes project the hero with the serious young
on with the music there from what the Chicago Bulls
is that regular?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
That's our theme to our music slot on the show,
on our sports slot on the show.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Also the theme to a very well known Wellington basketball
team when they're players right out onto the field to orders.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
You know what, he wouldn't even have a clue, He
wouldn't even know who the Saints. Has he never missed
us once any of us news per breaks. Ever, I
always we have a big wood and I get up
at five o'clock in the morning to listen to in
Ortison and he never mentions us well talked about basin reserve.
Let's get down to what you had expert in. Okay,
two down, still behind? Is there a game on here?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
It is, but a lot of it relies on probably
a couple of withs in these batterers in the form
of Shay Hope and Justin Graves, who saw they were
capable of engineering at Hagley Oval, surviving in that last
innings there, and it's really where they can do it today.
And we've got the suddenly coming in fine day forecast.
I think it's going to be tricky to bowl and
next to be honest, with the New Zealanders coming out
(01:59):
and they've got this Newish ball in ten overs old
as how much do they push it up there at
the risk of bowling half volleys, but to tempt these
Western Thees batters into playing some shots and getting these wickets,
the problem being, of course they're one bowler down and
the best bowler from their first innings in blaed Tickner
four for thirty two from sixteen overs and I'm just
watching out of the ground at the moment to sing
(02:21):
him with a sling on his arm and a beanie
on his head, and yeah he looks rather forlorn.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, yeah, all this is right, Nick. It's been an
interesting old test, hasn't It just felt like, you know,
it's one domino after another, both previous test and enduring
with that huge loss of blad Tickner the other day.
I mean, I don't think I can ever recall being
at the Basin Reserve and seeing a stretcher come onto
the field. It was quite dramatic and pretty worrying at
times when he saw him dive down for that boundary
(02:48):
and knock it up for a very long time until
you know, a couple of medics and support staff from
both teams were there to help him out. So yeah,
a real setback from he's head of not having him
in the second innings. I do back. You know, jackob Duffy,
you've obviously got a quick work up before that the
end of play yesterday, you're going to have to really
sort of put the onus on someone like him, you know,
you talk about experience, if you're listening to them, he's
(03:08):
probably sort of one of one of the top there
in terms of these Black Caps bowlers that are here
who could get the job done. Obviously Michael Ray there
too with his headband and he seems to have been
ready and you know, lapping up the occasion. But he'll
be probably having a bit of a spring as springing
a step after a late success yesterday too.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Andrew, I know from my experience of spending many, many
many days at the basin that the West Indians aren't
going to enjoy that suddenly coming through. They're going to
have two jerseys on. They're not going to enjoy it,
are they?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
No, Well, I think that there's potential vulnerability there isn't that?
And I think, yeah, just looking out there at the moment,
it's definitely a day for the sleeveless pullover, if not
the full pullover out of the wardrobe, probably for both
teams as it suddenly comes through, and it's about probably
attacking that and making sure that you know that you
know you're taking advantage of everything you can from a
(03:58):
New Zealand perspective, once they head out there this morning,
and I think, well, thirty two to two is still
forty one runs behind. I think they are in a
position of strength New Zealand against the West Indian side
and they really have to make the most of it,
probably in that first hour or so. But if the
West Indians anchor in and take it into a fourth day,
(04:19):
well it's going to be it's going to be challenging.
I think we might be looking to maybe a survival
or at least an effort from say a Cain Williamson
home on the fourth day.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I was just about to say, well, you know, the
base reserve is synonymous with some really big scores and
I'm thinking Caine Williamson for one hundred and fifty if
he needs to. I was thinking exactly what you.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Were thinking, indeed, And you know in that first things
Williamson was just looking brilliant. It is absolute scintillating, elegant
best with something that stroke making. He was going going
to run a ball at one stage there it just
took it. An absolutely outstanding leg cut of delivery from
Anderson Phillip mean that that was really one of the
greats to Williamson was right behind it, but it just
(05:02):
jagged away and it tapped us off stump, So you
know you can't argue with that as a poor dismissal.
It was magnificent to watch, but there's not to say
that caming In was not in form, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, And obviously you know it's off at a time
neck when we've seen locals do very well as well
at the base in reserve as well. Russian Ravendra comes
into this test on the back of one hundred and
fifty down and down in christ Church. He's continuing to develop,
I think as a reliable, you know, sort of top
to middle order batter and red bull crickets. So look,
john Way did look good for the sort of you know,
stinty heads out there too, So you know there's there's
(05:36):
a good chance here on a flattening deck for some
of these guys to actually, you know, stake a claim
and up their averages and get set for actually what
is quite an exciting twelve months of cricket ahead at
a time when the Test makeup looks, you know, like
it's going to be a very changing beast.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Might be a what is it to ninety nine by
a certain Martin Crowe and a couple of holes in
the walls and the change room after he got out.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Who could forget? Who could forget the delicate edge?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Thanks scating, appreciate it, Andrew. I really it's really lovely
to have you in the city. And I hope hopefully
the cold suddenly won't put you off too much today.
But me and Coops will stay in the studio today.
I don't think we'll venture down to the base in Reserve.
That's that's a little bit chilly for even us.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I thought you'd he sold these sort of old timers
here just weach into the beat and being. But it
is still wonderful here. I always love coming out of
the base and see us, you know, Bahuda, Karla coming
into bloom et cetera, around the ground and it's it's
just such a wonderful setting. Well cricket, but certainly test cricket.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Thanks Andrew, appreciate, appreciate you coming on and getting us
up to date with what's happening at the base and reserve. Okay, Coeps, Hurricanes,
new owners, a head coach coming back as an assistant coach,
and now I'm excited about the ownership.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
I've got it.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I've got to him, Matt. I think you know, you
know what I'm about with private ownership and sports teams worldwide.
I was actually talking to Jason Wellsey, ex cricketer in
the street the other day and he was saying, worldwide
private ownership sports teams are the successful.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yep, totally. Well it's a high risk, high reward environment,
isn't it. And you know the American model, you know,
with you know, big big time owners that are successful
in other ventures often see success or you know, so
there's some other occasions where when it doesn't quite work out.
But I think you have to say Malcolm Gilli's everything
he's done here in Wellington as amazing, you know, obviously
all the housing developments, but his relation to sport in
(07:29):
terms of the nsed CIS facility out there. He's been
a rugby guy for years, you know, around Wellington, but
big involvement in some of the clubs out in the Hearts.
So I think this is only a good thing for
the Hurricanes. They need it desperately. They need someone I
think to come in and just think well why are
we doing that? And just because you'd been doing that
since the hurricane started at nineteen ninety six doesn't mean
you need to keep doing it. So it's really I
(07:52):
wouldn't say life or death, but I think it's a
huge turning point in this franchise because since COVID, you know,
the books have not been in a good way, and
despite through a lot of this time, they've had arguably
the best squad for a Super Rugby campaign and should
have been close to winning on the field too, So
we will see where that goes. Yeah, Jason Holland coming
back very weird as.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
A sports broadcaster, as a sports guy. Is that a
weird decision because it feels very weird to me as
a sports owner.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, well, I guess you look at his shoes. I
know he's based in Wellington, his family's Wellington based, so
I guess he finished up with the All Blacks and thought, well,
I need a job and what can I do? I
can coach rugby. Man who's here where you can coach
rugby professionally? The Hurricanes? So he never left on bad
terms with the Hurricanes. You know, He's obviously got a
good relationship with Clark Laidore and the other coaches that
worked under him, as well the likes of the Corey
(08:39):
Janes and others who are in that mix. It is
quite surprising for me to see he's not replacing anyone
They've created a role for.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Hi's a little murmur on the street. Can I say this,
a little murmur on.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
The stat I don't know what it is. So you
go for a little.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Murmur on the street that maybe that one of those
assistants of the hurricanes might be moving upwards. Yep, I
mean Cory Jane.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
There's always that spamulation, right. Corey Janes had been very
well credited across the Rugby fraternity for his work. Her
man Jamie McIntosh Whopper both went on traveling with the
All Blacks fifteen under Jamie Joseph, so you know, they
they are getting noticed. So I mean, maybe this is
a case of hey, let's get Jason Holland and just
in case if one of these high performers from the
last couple of years, you know, gets the not up
(09:25):
and you know, and Corey Jane and Jamie McIntosh's case.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
With I's both very very high profile people but both exallably.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Absolutely yeah, so we'll see whe we go. But I mean,
Jason Holland sounds like a nice guy to have around.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
So great, I know, I feel like I'm rushing you
because I want to get these two next stories. And
Phoenix Men play Newcastle on Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
You'll be there, We'll be there.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
What's what do you think need a win?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
And I don't have much faith to be another good crowd.
There's no trains on some of the lines, so it's
going to be tough for the Phoenix. But you know,
I don't think their results have necessarily reflected some of
the promise they have this year and some of the talent.
They have two wins from seven games, you know, even
the derby last weekend they just lost the key moments
which ultimately lost them the game. So it's just being
a little bit more onto it and I think we'll
(10:07):
see a few results go their way. But two weekends
back to back at home, they've got to get two
wins before Christmas. Otherwise we can almost say they're out
of contention. And the bubble of screens, yes, it just
keeps going for Wellington Olympic, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I love the bubble of.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Three peat possibly for them this year. They've already got
the Central League, already got the Chatham Cup, so National
League Final tomorrow night at Newtown Park six o'clock up
against Auckland City. Huge game for them. Yeah, it just
keeps on going for them, doesn't it. They're in a
great footballing dynasty here in Wellington at the moment.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
And if they do win, you know what, I've got, coops,
and I've got it on the market right now. I'm
trying to sell it. I've got the number plate three
p there go because the Saints have never won a
three peat. I've given up. I've given up in my life.
We're going to go another two years. So I'm selling
that number plate. So anyone in the bubblin squeaks.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Paul I feel will be giving you a call.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Is he the coach?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
He's the coach?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Oh great, I saw him in the supermarket. He's a
big guy.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Is your song?
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It's a big guy.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
He is a big guy, very big guy.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
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