April 22, 2025 • 11 mins
It's an unusual topic to base a musical on; the change of a road rule.
But that's exactly what Give Way The Musical does, putting a satirical spin on the 2012 change to the 'give way' law.
The story follows idealistic Sophie who, wanting to make the world a better place, joins the Ministry of Transport. She seizes on fixing New Zealand’s 'give way' rule, but not everyone’s keenon a change. A protest movement gathers, the sides go to war, and dirty tactics begin.
The musical is produced by renowned New Zealand playwright Dave Armstrong, and stars Bronwyn Turei, as seen in Go Girls and The Brokenwood Mysteries, who also took out Actor of the Year at last year's Wellington Theatre Awards.
Dave and Bronwyn joined Nick Mills to discuss the performance, opening at Circa Theatre this week and running until May 24.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from News Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Said, B this way, if you've come here, there's no
way this whole show could just be about a rial
change my way. I say, yes, way, yes, pretty much
the entire thing.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
But I can tell from your expressions you create more
dead So let's break it down.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Week Now, this is a very unusual Do I want
me to keep listening? Or do I can? I can?
I go now? It's a very unusual idea.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
But this weekend I read the whole kind of I
didn't read the whole script, but I read all the
stuff that came out and it kind of got me
a little bit excited. But this weekend a new play
begins at Circa Theater, give Way.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
It's a musical.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
It's an award winning play about the change of the
giveaway rules back in two thy and twelve. But it's
got some big talent in the show. Renowned playwright Dave
Armstrong is producing the show, and we know you'd know
him from this particular show because he's on the show
quite often. And Wellington Actor of the Year and star
of Go Girls and The Broken Wood Mysteries Bromwin today
(01:18):
is as part of the cast, and I welcome you
both into the show. Good morning, How are you both
very good? How the hell can you do a play
that's exciting and musical about a give way side or
a giveaway rule? Firstly, can I ask you both Bromwin,
do you know who to give way to when you
go up to an intersection?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, you don't have a clue.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I do you turn?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
You don't have a clue.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
This is why I'm in this play so I can
learn if you.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Take that much time making it to said Dave, do
you know you're a cyclist.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
So you'm a cyclist, so you don't worry about any rules.
But when I'm in the car, I do remember the
days of going to turn left and then going, oh no,
I've got to let this go way over on the
right turn first, and then I'm allowed to And I
always now feel sneaky when I'm turning left, like and
it's actually the rule.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I don't have a clue and I give way to everyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I just don't have a clue.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Being a nice huming being helps in Willington and a car.
I must say, well, if you're not sure of everything,
if I go to this musical, will I walk out
saying I know now the new rules will give way
on see, yes, you'll see it, and acted.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I'm not too convinced. No, I'm not, definitely not.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
They literally re enact the rules to impress the minister.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Okay, Now, the thing that impressed me most about the
blurb about this play is one line or two words
guiding On.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Now. I was a kid when Guiding up On was on,
and I always remember.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Ray nwoods Enwood. Yes, he was the main actor. So
that's that's a big connection to Worrington too, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yeah, anyway, So back to your play. It sounds like
a weird story, brom And tell me why it's so
good and so different.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's the pedestrian nature using that word pedestrian nature of
the topic that makes it so hilarious when you really
sort of dig into the different personalities that come into
play in this. Steven's written such a witty, wetty script
and lyrics, and it's so lovely and dry that when
you put it in the genre of a musical, which
(03:31):
is by nature, it over exaggerates everything and it's really wonderful.
And when you can't speak it, you sing it, and.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
So how much of it is vocal and how much
of it is words? Talking about half and half.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
It's a good chunk. It's a good chunk of music.
And there it comes in. It's just the right time
and you kind of feel like you need another tune
to live band, a live keyboardist. We have very talented composer, musician,
musical director Hayden Taylor who has arranged all the songs
that Stephen wrote for the show. So yeah, and we've
all worked together.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Stephen coming up for that.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Yes, he's been up for a week for for a
run and a workshop and he's coming up or PROMI
his job as an Invcago posting.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
So he's still a posting.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Yeah, well he's a courier now he's moved up.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's an up markets market posting. So
tell me why he would write I mean, I'll ask
you this, Dave, why he would write a play about
a give way rule.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Stephen's got a great quirky sense of humor. For example,
he wrote a play about because he's living in Viccago.
Now he's a wellingsome boy, but he wrote a play
about Mick Jagger and Keith Richards having One Night and
in V Cargo back in the sixties, which they were
very unkind about. So Stephen loves quirky little stories. But
this play, even though it sounds like it's about the
(04:53):
give way roll, it's really about New Zealand and the
way we all get so angry. And so in the play,
you know, they say we're going to change the give
way rule, and suddenly the convoy on Parliament, except they're
only turning right because that's and there's a character called
Nick ca and I have to say it's Nic nic
k who's a grumpy boomer worried about the sky will
(05:14):
fall down that Bromwan plays if you change the rule,
So it's sort of about how we all get upset
about things rather than just about the giveaway role.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Okay, tell me about the partner you play.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
And one of them I play about ten o nine
your characters. But Nick is the owner of a tow
truck company, very set in her ways. She likes to
spend more time in her car than with her family,
so she feels like it's a win win to keep
it that way, because if accidents are reduced on the roads,
(05:48):
then her business would go down, and also her time
at home would be longer because delays wouldn't happen so
much anymore. So she thinks it's her.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
So you're playing a tow truck driver.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yes, I'm playing one of the characters is a tow
truck driver.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
She also plays a delightful pr agent.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yes, yes, see social social media influencer back when it
was budding the twenty ten when you eleven twenty twelve time.
And I also play the Professor Dello, who is the
main character's tutor, teaching her all about traffic and things.
Who gets an untimely.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
We're not giving anything away there.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
The main character.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
What I love about Steven Sati, the main character wants
to change the world. Tis a young university graduate and
she says, you know, I want to change the world.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
What shall I do?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
I know how I can change the world. I can
join the Ministry of Trade Sport and change a law,
you know. And it's sort of like that person from council,
So it rings true. I think for a lot of
people that's you again.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
No, that's a young talented actress named Lillie Moore.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, and so how many in the cast five five.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Yeah, yeah, well they would be great.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Ye're really good, and I believe from from my information
i've been and that it's selling extremely.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Well, selling well. But you know, I always we'll always
have more. It's times are tough and it's always a
challenge and.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
How many shows? How you do it?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
We're going right we're opening on April to twenty sixth
with a discount preview on Insect Day, and then we're
going right through to May twenty fourth.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Wow. Yeah yeah and five days a week.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Yeah, six days a week, every day except Monday. So
that's the standard circu Circus sort of season. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Wow, that's incredible.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
That's a lot of tough work for you playing all
those parts all those nights.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, I've got to getting straight in my head.
There's a lot of different costume changes where and there's
a few of us that are multi rolling, so it
is equally as much chaos backstage as there is on
the stage of costume wags.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
It's amazing.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
I was watching a run and they were all just
sweating like that was so I've never seen actors work
so hard. But they're having great fun. But so, how's
this theater set?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Up.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Is it set up like a theater or is it
flat and you're sitting at tables?
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Oh no, no, said, it's the classic Circa theater set
two hundred and twenty seats and then there's a lovely
set which has things you might recognize from the road
code in the background, right, And they do a lot
of a lot of singing and there's also some lovely
choreography as well, so you don't just get songs, you
get dancing as well.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And you're you're putting it all together.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Well, I'm we are actually a cooperative, but I hit
it and yeah, so who is the corporative? It's it's
all the actors and the people. So about half the
plays at Circa had done privately, if you like, and
half had just done as a co op where the
actors and the technique.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Can I ask you about the Circa redate because I
was in the cafe on one of the.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
East East Easter Monday.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, so obviously very well done out, and yeah,
would be you know, great, is it working?
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (08:53):
It's been doing very well? And it's it's it's not
only a new cafe, but there's upstairs there's great views
of the of the you can go upstairs at Shushu
and look out over the harbor and that didn't used
to happen previously. So yeah, and it's sort of they've
opened up. They did an amazing I think four million
dollar reconstruction of the of the theater renovation and it's
(09:18):
so so far been really really good and people people
have been very positive, and the numbers I think have
been good at Great at the bar as well as
the theater Great Well.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
The theater of the show is called give Way Now.
It's based on what would you say, it's based on
I mean, it's based on the Giveway law.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
He's retelling the story and embellishing it a bit of
the change and it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It's a lot of fun. It's very we're very silly,
and in the best kind of way, because at the moment,
I think everyone needs a little bit of a giggle
in their lives. Yes, yes, lightheartedness.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
It's about an hour and a half long with intervals,
not including intervals, so it's not you know, it's not
three hours of angst or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I thank you both for coming in. I mean, it's
amazing and I break a leg. I hope it goes
really really.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Well for you.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
It sounds like a great thing we're going to give.
We have a couple. We have actually five double passes
to giveaway to the music.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
All the bars passes are the bars.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
It's the passes for the show this coming Tuesday, the
twenty ninth of April at Circa Theater at six thirty pm.
If you would like a double pass and I would
think that this would be an incredible show to go.
Do oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty right now
and we will here it goes to people light up
already wanting the ticket. Thank you both so very much.
Hope that it goes well and thanks for coming and
(10:36):
joining us in the show.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Great to see huture, very nice to meet you.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yes, that's renowned playwright Dave Armstrong and a friend of
the show's and Wellington Actor of the Year and star
of Go Girls and Brooke, Broken Hill Would Mysteries. I
didn't get a chance to ask you about Broken mid
Mysteries and I love that show.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
That is a great show Broman today. Thank you both.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Thank appreciation for more from Wellington Mornings with Nick Mills,
listen live to News Talks It'd be Wellington from nine
am weekdays, or follow the podcast on Heart radio
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from News Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Said, B this way, if you've come here, there's no
way this whole show could just be about a rial
change my way. I say, yes, way, yes, pretty much
the entire thing.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
But I can tell from your expressions you create more
dead So let's break it down.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Week Now, this is a very unusual Do I want
me to keep listening? Or do I can? I can?
I go now? It's a very unusual idea.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
But this weekend I read the whole kind of I
didn't read the whole script, but I read all the
stuff that came out and it kind of got me
a little bit excited. But this weekend a new play
begins at Circa Theater, give Way.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
It's a musical.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
It's an award winning play about the change of the
giveaway rules back in two thy and twelve. But it's
got some big talent in the show. Renowned playwright Dave
Armstrong is producing the show, and we know you'd know
him from this particular show because he's on the show
quite often. And Wellington Actor of the Year and star
of Go Girls and The Broken Wood Mysteries Bromwin today
(01:18):
is as part of the cast, and I welcome you
both into the show. Good morning, How are you both
very good? How the hell can you do a play
that's exciting and musical about a give way side or
a giveaway rule? Firstly, can I ask you both Bromwin,
do you know who to give way to when you
go up to an intersection?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, you don't have a clue.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I do you turn?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
You don't have a clue.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
This is why I'm in this play so I can
learn if you.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Take that much time making it to said Dave, do
you know you're a cyclist.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
So you'm a cyclist, so you don't worry about any rules.
But when I'm in the car, I do remember the
days of going to turn left and then going, oh no,
I've got to let this go way over on the
right turn first, and then I'm allowed to And I
always now feel sneaky when I'm turning left, like and
it's actually the rule.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I don't have a clue and I give way to everyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I just don't have a clue.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Being a nice huming being helps in Willington and a car.
I must say, well, if you're not sure of everything,
if I go to this musical, will I walk out
saying I know now the new rules will give way
on see, yes, you'll see it, and acted.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
I'm not too convinced. No, I'm not, definitely not.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
They literally re enact the rules to impress the minister.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Okay, Now, the thing that impressed me most about the
blurb about this play is one line or two words
guiding On.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Now. I was a kid when Guiding up On was on,
and I always remember.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Ray nwoods Enwood. Yes, he was the main actor. So
that's that's a big connection to Worrington too, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yeah, anyway, So back to your play. It sounds like
a weird story, brom And tell me why it's so
good and so different.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's the pedestrian nature using that word pedestrian nature of
the topic that makes it so hilarious when you really
sort of dig into the different personalities that come into
play in this. Steven's written such a witty, wetty script
and lyrics, and it's so lovely and dry that when
you put it in the genre of a musical, which
(03:31):
is by nature, it over exaggerates everything and it's really wonderful.
And when you can't speak it, you sing it, and.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
So how much of it is vocal and how much
of it is words? Talking about half and half.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
It's a good chunk. It's a good chunk of music.
And there it comes in. It's just the right time
and you kind of feel like you need another tune
to live band, a live keyboardist. We have very talented composer, musician,
musical director Hayden Taylor who has arranged all the songs
that Stephen wrote for the show. So yeah, and we've
all worked together.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Stephen coming up for that.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Yes, he's been up for a week for for a
run and a workshop and he's coming up or PROMI
his job as an Invcago posting.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
So he's still a posting.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Yeah, well he's a courier now he's moved up.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's an up markets market posting. So
tell me why he would write I mean, I'll ask
you this, Dave, why he would write a play about
a give way rule.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Stephen's got a great quirky sense of humor. For example,
he wrote a play about because he's living in Viccago.
Now he's a wellingsome boy, but he wrote a play
about Mick Jagger and Keith Richards having One Night and
in V Cargo back in the sixties, which they were
very unkind about. So Stephen loves quirky little stories. But
this play, even though it sounds like it's about the
(04:53):
give way roll, it's really about New Zealand and the
way we all get so angry. And so in the play,
you know, they say we're going to change the give
way rule, and suddenly the convoy on Parliament, except they're
only turning right because that's and there's a character called
Nick ca and I have to say it's Nic nic
k who's a grumpy boomer worried about the sky will
(05:14):
fall down that Bromwan plays if you change the rule,
So it's sort of about how we all get upset
about things rather than just about the giveaway role.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Okay, tell me about the partner you play.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
And one of them I play about ten o nine
your characters. But Nick is the owner of a tow
truck company, very set in her ways. She likes to
spend more time in her car than with her family,
so she feels like it's a win win to keep
it that way, because if accidents are reduced on the roads,
(05:48):
then her business would go down, and also her time
at home would be longer because delays wouldn't happen so
much anymore. So she thinks it's her.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
So you're playing a tow truck driver.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yes, I'm playing one of the characters is a tow
truck driver.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
She also plays a delightful pr agent.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yes, yes, see social social media influencer back when it
was budding the twenty ten when you eleven twenty twelve time.
And I also play the Professor Dello, who is the
main character's tutor, teaching her all about traffic and things.
Who gets an untimely.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
We're not giving anything away there.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
The main character.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
What I love about Steven Sati, the main character wants
to change the world. Tis a young university graduate and
she says, you know, I want to change the world.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
What shall I do?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
I know how I can change the world. I can
join the Ministry of Trade Sport and change a law,
you know. And it's sort of like that person from council,
So it rings true. I think for a lot of
people that's you again.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
No, that's a young talented actress named Lillie Moore.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, and so how many in the cast five five.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Yeah, yeah, well they would be great.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Ye're really good, and I believe from from my information
i've been and that it's selling extremely.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Well, selling well. But you know, I always we'll always
have more. It's times are tough and it's always a
challenge and.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
How many shows? How you do it?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
We're going right we're opening on April to twenty sixth
with a discount preview on Insect Day, and then we're
going right through to May twenty fourth.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Wow. Yeah yeah and five days a week.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Yeah, six days a week, every day except Monday. So
that's the standard circu Circus sort of season. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Wow, that's incredible.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
That's a lot of tough work for you playing all
those parts all those nights.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, I've got to getting straight in my head.
There's a lot of different costume changes where and there's
a few of us that are multi rolling, so it
is equally as much chaos backstage as there is on
the stage of costume wags.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
It's amazing.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
I was watching a run and they were all just
sweating like that was so I've never seen actors work
so hard. But they're having great fun. But so, how's
this theater set?
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Up.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Is it set up like a theater or is it
flat and you're sitting at tables?
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Oh no, no, said, it's the classic Circa theater set
two hundred and twenty seats and then there's a lovely
set which has things you might recognize from the road
code in the background, right, And they do a lot
of a lot of singing and there's also some lovely
choreography as well, so you don't just get songs, you
get dancing as well.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And you're you're putting it all together.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Well, I'm we are actually a cooperative, but I hit
it and yeah, so who is the corporative? It's it's
all the actors and the people. So about half the
plays at Circa had done privately, if you like, and
half had just done as a co op where the
actors and the technique.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Can I ask you about the Circa redate because I
was in the cafe on one of the.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
East East Easter Monday.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, so obviously very well done out, and yeah,
would be you know, great, is it working?
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (08:53):
It's been doing very well? And it's it's it's not
only a new cafe, but there's upstairs there's great views
of the of the you can go upstairs at Shushu
and look out over the harbor and that didn't used
to happen previously. So yeah, and it's sort of they've
opened up. They did an amazing I think four million
dollar reconstruction of the of the theater renovation and it's
(09:18):
so so far been really really good and people people
have been very positive, and the numbers I think have
been good at Great at the bar as well as
the theater Great Well.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
The theater of the show is called give Way Now.
It's based on what would you say, it's based on
I mean, it's based on the Giveway law.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
He's retelling the story and embellishing it a bit of
the change and it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It's a lot of fun. It's very we're very silly,
and in the best kind of way, because at the moment,
I think everyone needs a little bit of a giggle
in their lives. Yes, yes, lightheartedness.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
It's about an hour and a half long with intervals,
not including intervals, so it's not you know, it's not
three hours of angst or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I thank you both for coming in. I mean, it's
amazing and I break a leg. I hope it goes
really really.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Well for you.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
It sounds like a great thing we're going to give.
We have a couple. We have actually five double passes
to giveaway to the music.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
All the bars passes are the bars.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
It's the passes for the show this coming Tuesday, the
twenty ninth of April at Circa Theater at six thirty pm.
If you would like a double pass and I would
think that this would be an incredible show to go.
Do oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty right now
and we will here it goes to people light up
already wanting the ticket. Thank you both so very much.
Hope that it goes well and thanks for coming and
(10:36):
joining us in the show.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Great to see huture, very nice to meet you.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yes, that's renowned playwright Dave Armstrong and a friend of
the show's and Wellington Actor of the Year and star
of Go Girls and Brooke, Broken Hill Would Mysteries. I
didn't get a chance to ask you about Broken mid
Mysteries and I love that show.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
That is a great show Broman today. Thank you both.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Thank appreciation for more from Wellington Mornings with Nick Mills,
listen live to News Talks It'd be Wellington from nine
am weekdays, or follow the podcast on Heart radio
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