There will be no excuses for timed-out kicks at goal at Eden Park on Saturday, after rugby bosses decided a 'shot-clock' counting down how long a player has for a shot at goal will be displayed on the big screen.
It comes after All Blacks first-five Damian McKenzie was deemed by referee to have taken longer than the time limit when lining up a penalty kick in the first test against England in Dunedin.
Legendary rugby broadcaster Grant Nisbett joined Nick Mills to talk about the shot-clock, and whether it could work to speed the game up.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from News Talk set.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Be talking a bit of everything. That's how we're talking Rugby.
The fact that they put a shot clock in for
the game at Eden Park and I said it should
go further. I think they should put a shot clock
on for scrums and lineouts. Legendary broadcaster Grant in this
but as a Wellingtonian of course he called the game
for Sky last week and we'll be calling it this
(00:33):
week again, I presume Grant. Good morning Nick. Do they
take you to Auckland as well?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
No, mate, no, no, I stand aside this weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
What a shame. My highlight of my game is listening
to you, right, So get to the crunch they're going
to put the shot? What Fierstly, what did you think
when you saw the referee blow the whistle and say, hey,
you've taken too long.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Oh I was shocked. I've never seen it before, to
be perfectly honest, although in my mind went back to
a Test match in Melbourne a couple of years ago
where I was any watching it at home and I
think one of the Aussies got timed out and it
sort of saved the test for the All Blacks, didn't it?
So you're right years ago? Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I
(01:20):
was a wee bit surprised, I must say. I don't
know whether you heard it at home, but the referee
did give McKenzie regular updates. I heard him say, I'm
not sure it was that particular kick, but in previous kicks,
I heard him say twenty seconds and all this sort
of thing. Whether he sort of counts down from ten,
I don't know, but there was sufficient warning there.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But see, I didn't hear it on that particular kick.
I didn't hear it.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I know there's been a lot of talk on Piney
Show that everyone heard it. I didn't particularly hear it.
My hearing's not as bologna as it should be, but
I didn't hear anything. I just thought the whistle of it,
holy hell.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah. Yeah. I didn't hear it on that game and
that particular kick either, But I did hear it previously
when he was just mattering twenty seconds and all the
rest of it. As for the Clark, I think it's
a great idea. Really. You have it in most sports,
don't you, and particularly in basketball. I mean your sport
it's always there for everybody to see how long there
(02:16):
is to go and all the rest of it. And
I think I think it's a good idea. But I
did have some guy tell me yesterday that he put
a stopwatch on it. He went back and watched the
recording of the game and he reckoned that the referee
caught it off after fifty eight seconds, so McKenzie was
dudded by two seconds. Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Never heard that one before. So tell me about elaborating
on it even further, because I mean, I thought it
was a fabulous I said. I've said all week, and
it's not because you're on air. I've said all week
it was a fabulous game of rugby for a score
of fifteen sixteen because I didn't think the Poms were
going to be that good, and their defense was pretty outstanding.
I think they wanted to attack, so it was a
great game of football. And there's been so much talk
(02:54):
about how we need to speed up for rugby and
make it more exciting. So I say, bring a shot
clock in for scrums and lineouts.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
What do you say, Yeah, look at mark working lineouts.
But in scrums, of course you have the collabor and
when do you restart the clock and all that sort
of business. It might be a little bit impractical in
terms of the scrums lineouts, yeah, because they sometimes have
interminable discussions about what's going to happen, and frankly, it's
often time wasting. It's usually when the game's coming to
(03:22):
an end and one team's trying to hang on and
the others trying to try to get it moving and
all the rest of it. So it might work at lineouts,
but I could see issues at scrums because scrums aren't
always perfect. They screw around, they fall over, they do this,
they do that, So it'll be very difficult, I think,
to be able to referee that properly.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Another caller, Paul said this morning, why don't we get
with a Marx? Do we need Marx anymore in the
modern game?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I've often felt that, Yeah, I kind of agree in
many ways.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
He thought it would speed the game up because all
they do is kick out the line for lineouts because
you can't really attack. It's always in the r in
twenty two.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, I guess it's against the team that's attacking, being
for putting the ball in the air inside the opposition
twenty two it's a strange one. It's been around forever
and I'd probably go along with that. It's a wee
bit unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
See, in my day, a mark was only any good
of you put your heel on the ground, caught the
ball and yelled out mark all at the same time.
That seems to have changed now, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, I don't think they even call mac these days.
They catch it and put one arm in the air,
don't they, as if to say I'm claiming a mark.
I don't know what the law book says about it,
but it certainly changed over the years. You're right, used
to be the heel in the ground and all that
sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So what's going to happen this week? I've can't have
you on air and having a chat to proud Welling
tiny what's going on? What's going to happen this week?
And do you reckon that the Poms have got any
chance or do you reckon that that was that they
had their opportunity and lost it.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well, it's interesting listening to the pundits. Most people say
the orbit ACKs will improve, and I think that's right,
but don't forget England can improve as well. And if
we both improve. I don't think there'll be much difference. Actually,
I think this is a pretty good England team, well coached,
and they've got quite a positive outlook to the game.
So I think they'll score a few tries, will score
a few tries, and Nick, I think it'll be pretty close. Again.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
How you enjoying the Scott Robertson era early? I know early?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, they're very They're very open and I did a
thing down and then even last Friday night that had
Jason Ryan on. You know, it's a ward coach and
very very forthcoming with the way things were hopefully going
to work out and all the rest of it. So
so far, so good.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah. I hope that they and there's been a lot
of talk of us from people that I know. Hope
that the rugby Union don't change them. Hope they go
with the flow with them. You know that the idea
of putting the ones that weren't the players that weren't
even stripping out the front gate for the first half
hour and stuff like that put a deer in my eye.
That's rugby house, it should be.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, it's old school, isn't it. And I think there's
any everything wrong with old school.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
No, nothing wrong with old school as long as it's modern.
Old school like me and you exactly great to talk
to you. I appreciate you taking the times. But a
great guy. He's such a good person. I worked with Grant.
I was his producer for a couple of weeks on
Jason Pines Show thirty years ago, and he's just such
a good person to work with. Taught me more and
(06:27):
two shifts than anyone ever taught me in my life.
Good men.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
For more from Wellington Mornings with Nick Mills, listen live
to news talks It'd Be Wellington from nine am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from News Talk set.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Be talking a bit of everything. That's how we're talking Rugby.
The fact that they put a shot clock in for
the game at Eden Park and I said it should
go further. I think they should put a shot clock
on for scrums and lineouts. Legendary broadcaster Grant in this
but as a Wellingtonian of course he called the game
for Sky last week and we'll be calling it this
(00:33):
week again, I presume Grant. Good morning Nick. Do they
take you to Auckland as well?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
No, mate, no, no, I stand aside this weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
What a shame. My highlight of my game is listening
to you, right, So get to the crunch they're going
to put the shot? What Fierstly, what did you think
when you saw the referee blow the whistle and say, hey,
you've taken too long.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Oh I was shocked. I've never seen it before, to
be perfectly honest, although in my mind went back to
a Test match in Melbourne a couple of years ago
where I was any watching it at home and I
think one of the Aussies got timed out and it
sort of saved the test for the All Blacks, didn't it?
So you're right years ago? Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I
(01:20):
was a wee bit surprised, I must say. I don't
know whether you heard it at home, but the referee
did give McKenzie regular updates. I heard him say, I'm
not sure it was that particular kick, but in previous kicks,
I heard him say twenty seconds and all this sort
of thing. Whether he sort of counts down from ten,
I don't know, but there was sufficient warning there.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But see, I didn't hear it on that particular kick.
I didn't hear it.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I know there's been a lot of talk on Piney
Show that everyone heard it. I didn't particularly hear it.
My hearing's not as bologna as it should be, but
I didn't hear anything. I just thought the whistle of it,
holy hell.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah. Yeah. I didn't hear it on that game and
that particular kick either, But I did hear it previously
when he was just mattering twenty seconds and all the
rest of it. As for the Clark, I think it's
a great idea. Really. You have it in most sports,
don't you, and particularly in basketball. I mean your sport
it's always there for everybody to see how long there
(02:16):
is to go and all the rest of it. And
I think I think it's a good idea. But I
did have some guy tell me yesterday that he put
a stopwatch on it. He went back and watched the
recording of the game and he reckoned that the referee
caught it off after fifty eight seconds, so McKenzie was
dudded by two seconds. Wow.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Never heard that one before. So tell me about elaborating
on it even further, because I mean, I thought it
was a fabulous I said. I've said all week, and
it's not because you're on air. I've said all week
it was a fabulous game of rugby for a score
of fifteen sixteen because I didn't think the Poms were
going to be that good, and their defense was pretty outstanding.
I think they wanted to attack, so it was a
great game of football. And there's been so much talk
(02:54):
about how we need to speed up for rugby and
make it more exciting. So I say, bring a shot
clock in for scrums and lineouts.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
What do you say, Yeah, look at mark working lineouts.
But in scrums, of course you have the collabor and
when do you restart the clock and all that sort
of business. It might be a little bit impractical in
terms of the scrums lineouts, yeah, because they sometimes have
interminable discussions about what's going to happen, and frankly, it's
often time wasting. It's usually when the game's coming to
(03:22):
an end and one team's trying to hang on and
the others trying to try to get it moving and
all the rest of it. So it might work at lineouts,
but I could see issues at scrums because scrums aren't
always perfect. They screw around, they fall over, they do this,
they do that, So it'll be very difficult, I think,
to be able to referee that properly.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Another caller, Paul said this morning, why don't we get
with a Marx? Do we need Marx anymore in the
modern game?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I've often felt that, Yeah, I kind of agree in
many ways.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
He thought it would speed the game up because all
they do is kick out the line for lineouts because
you can't really attack. It's always in the r in
twenty two.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, I guess it's against the team that's attacking, being
for putting the ball in the air inside the opposition
twenty two it's a strange one. It's been around forever
and I'd probably go along with that. It's a wee
bit unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
See, in my day, a mark was only any good
of you put your heel on the ground, caught the
ball and yelled out mark all at the same time.
That seems to have changed now, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, I don't think they even call mac these days.
They catch it and put one arm in the air,
don't they, as if to say I'm claiming a mark.
I don't know what the law book says about it,
but it certainly changed over the years. You're right, used
to be the heel in the ground and all that
sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So what's going to happen this week? I've can't have
you on air and having a chat to proud Welling
tiny what's going on? What's going to happen this week?
And do you reckon that the Poms have got any
chance or do you reckon that that was that they
had their opportunity and lost it.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well, it's interesting listening to the pundits. Most people say
the orbit ACKs will improve, and I think that's right,
but don't forget England can improve as well. And if
we both improve. I don't think there'll be much difference. Actually,
I think this is a pretty good England team, well coached,
and they've got quite a positive outlook to the game.
So I think they'll score a few tries, will score
a few tries, and Nick, I think it'll be pretty close. Again.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
How you enjoying the Scott Robertson era early? I know early?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, they're very They're very open and I did a
thing down and then even last Friday night that had
Jason Ryan on. You know, it's a ward coach and
very very forthcoming with the way things were hopefully going
to work out and all the rest of it. So
so far, so good.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah. I hope that they and there's been a lot
of talk of us from people that I know. Hope
that the rugby Union don't change them. Hope they go
with the flow with them. You know that the idea
of putting the ones that weren't the players that weren't
even stripping out the front gate for the first half
hour and stuff like that put a deer in my eye.
That's rugby house, it should be.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, it's old school, isn't it. And I think there's
any everything wrong with old school.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
No, nothing wrong with old school as long as it's modern.
Old school like me and you exactly great to talk
to you. I appreciate you taking the times. But a
great guy. He's such a good person. I worked with Grant.
I was his producer for a couple of weeks on
Jason Pines Show thirty years ago, and he's just such
a good person to work with. Taught me more and
(06:27):
two shifts than anyone ever taught me in my life.
Good men.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
For more from Wellington Mornings with Nick Mills, listen live
to news talks It'd Be Wellington from nine am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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