September 8, 2025 • 19 mins
New Zealand First leader and Foreign Minister Winston Peters says Wellington's incoming council needs to bring the vibrancy back to the city.
He spoke with Nick Mills on Wellington Mornings about how the city can be brought back to life, and offered his views on the current city leaders.
Peters also discussed his party's compulsory Kiwisaver policy, and whether former Labour Minister Stuart Nash is likely to stand for NZ First at the next Election.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from News Talk said b.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Joining us for his first time in at Warrington Studio
is the right Honorable Winston Peters, New Zealand First Leader
and Foreign Minister. Good morning, Winston Peters, good morning, how
are you?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I'm very very good. I'm trying to figure out why
I've seen you so long to have me on your
brilliant show.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Well, you know what, I've tried several times, but you're
a hard fish to catch. Really, Yeah, can you come
a little bit closer to the mi because I want
to hear your dors tones. I heard you singing the
other day, which impressed the hell out of me.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Actually, well, I was just talking about was it the Bigger?
So I can't remember what it was. Here you go,
that's what it is and you need and you hit
the right notes. Well, actually I said that the Labor
Party had turned it not into a song or an
old song, but it turned into a manifesto.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Right, let's talk about the convention, right, key we saver?
Have you have you the numbers? Have you worked it out?
I personally think it's a great idea, but compulsory KIV Saber.
We've been pushing on the show for four years, so
that's a great idea. Can you can we afford the numbers?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Look, you're asking good question. The real issue is can
we afford not to have a saving strategy? Look it's
fifty years ago, and this is the fact I remembered
as a young lawyer. Fifty years ago, the then Labor
government had a saving strategy which was not perfect, but
instead of fixing it up, the National pay tended into
a campaign all about communism and the savings Plan owning
(01:40):
the whole country, as though it was a Marxist communist plan.
It was totally untrue and as a consequence, fifty years on,
even though we've made numerous attempts since then, I had
a referendum which I failed on. Colin came in with
the Culen Fund to try and smooth out the cost
of retirement, and then they bought on kiwisaver. Again. These
(02:01):
things have been partial successes, but we cannot going on
saying that somehow things will come right.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Would you be happy if they said we'll take compulsory key,
we save her, but we won't bump it up to
the amounts that you need. A bump, bump, bump up
to Would you be happy with that?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
No, because what they're doing is far too modus. Three
and four percent doesn't cut it for goodness sake. Singapore
with no resources at all but its people has gone
roaring past us when we wish to be part of
their aid program, wish to help them. They've gone roaring
past us because they've got a saving strategy and guess
what they save thirty seven percent they save every work
(02:41):
and boss Pace didn't do them Pace say thirty sevencentmar.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
From the Financial Markets Authority is warning that combine the
tax cuts and this would cost the government between twelve
billion and twenty eight billion dollars. Are they correct?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Well, how could they possibly be correct if that? If
their gap is twelve to twenty eight billion, right there,
you're a smart guy, you got businesses. If anybody says
you this, that's what could cost between twelve and twenty
eight They don't know what day it is, and they
are going to be financial market experts. My challenge to
them is, look what it's cost you for your neoliberal
stupid theories. You've shut down savings off shore In Australia,
(03:18):
they're doing far better than us, even though their savings
plans are not perfect, they're doing far better than us
in countries now like Croatia, like Poland. We have got
to get with the program. And yet here we go.
Fifty years ago would have been a fund which would
have been in the trillions now was denied us because
of political scrap rather than being bipartisan. Can we polease
(03:41):
go forward now? Yes, we can afford it. How because
we can't afford not.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
To have it?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
And how we can do that?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
How are we going to pay for it?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Well? First of all, can I just say to you,
you're not like Grant Robinson spending money on consumption. You're
putting a side of fun which is part of your economy,
and it's now financing things, is making things seriously happen.
That's why you can afford it, because you're not losing
the money or steuse the language pissing up against the wall. No,
next year, next year, in twenty years from now, it'll
(04:07):
be bigger and bigger and bigger. You can't afford not
to have this plan. I'll give you the details if
we go towards the twenty twenty six election.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I'm excited by this Kiwi's Values Document. I like it.
I mean, how are you going to make it work?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Look, we had a mempee called Clayton Mitchell, also serious,
sessful businessman. You might not that I know.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I'm Clayton very well.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Very cisil business. Clayton came up with the idea. We
had it in twenty eighteen just in case the act
Party trying to say it's there is it's not. And
Brook ban Velden put an article out on the weekend
when we announced it as though we were taking it
off her. It's not brook it's all there in twenty eighteen.
Have a look at what Clayton Mitchell will say. What
we are saying to people is we can see it
off shore and missing it here. People are coming here
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with no respect for our flag, no respect for a
thing called democracy, no respect for quality, like respect for women,
the Guard regard amen a second class. They've got no
respect for people's different religions. And we're saying we're going
to put out a document of a few values on
it and if you want to come to this country,
you'll either sign up to it or just don't come.
But we're not going to have what we're seeing off
(05:11):
shore now a wholesale takeover of cities with absolutely content
for the local people who've been down to the center
trying to build these cities. Germany, it's happening in sad
and tragedy and the successful island right now. It's happening
all over the UK. Go on TV of your note
and out there in New Ziellas are watching TV and
they know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
France as well, welles France. Can you send Will you
send the people home that don't comply to what you
want them to be?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
No, they won't get any of that. Don't sign up
if they get here, and.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
If they sign up and they don't behave like you,
we'll send them homes. Coming here is a privilege, right
so you would send them home?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Okay? So what else? I mean? What else are you
going to do to make it better for New Zealanders
If you want them to sign up and say okay,
I'm going to be keywies, what else can you force
them to do?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well? Look, last week last year I announced something that
we're working on as we speak, and others are working
on as well. I only saw set what Sam Stubb
said to say about TV Sava and how it could
be marshaled for the economy. Last year, I announced at
the same convention last year one hundred billion dollar Future Fund.
Now Sam stubbs And has talked to me. We've talked
(06:18):
about it and we're saying, God, it's there already. It's
Tivy Saver used properly or there, I say it it
were by twenty twenty eight. The Color Fund, because the
subscriptions are now going back to it will be one
hundred billion dollars in twenty twenty eight. My question is
what is it doing to build a country called New Zealand.
(06:38):
So much of our economy is offshore owned, so much
of our added values offshore, and I am discussed that.
I travel the country. I find alliance the beef company
is now talking about going off to Ireland. I'm talking
about Fontira, It's product labels all going off to France.
I've seen West Coast Derry go off overseas. I saw
(06:59):
silvil Fern's farms go off the Chinese. I'm standing back
and saying to the National Party and others, what on
Earth's wrong with you people? If you want to be
successful as an economy, you've got to own the economy,
get all the maximum added value and the jobs and
all the growth in wealth for your country before anyone
else gets it. And that's why we're making these temple mistakes.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Mister. Why I want to have a plan that we
have these business people is that we can't get money.
That's why people are going overseas because we cannot get money.
If this key we save, a plan of yours comes
to fruition, could you see maybe rules that they have
to invest in New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Well that's the plan, would it happen? Well, now that's excellent.
That's why I'm on your show. A whole lot of
people are going out there and comes to election time,
they give me a micro light and they expect me
to take them to the moon. No, I need more votes,
and that's why I'm campaigning hard.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Is the ellection campaign under the way you started today?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
No? No, I started down Farmers the North that over
a thousand people at a public meeting.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Now, before you start checking out, I want to ask
you about Stuart dash because I think it's great. I
think it's a great move for New Zealand. First, I
think he's a great politician and a great man, I've
never met him, but I like him. I mean, it's
a good move for you.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Well, you know what astonished was Stuart Nash comes as
a guest speaker to our convention and he speaks, he
gets off the stage, and the media I'm not interested
in what he said. They are all out flat on
trying to interpret it, interpret what he didn't say. You
see what's wrong with this. There was a time when
the mainstream media would say he came and he gave
this speech and he said this, No, not anymore. You're
(08:35):
getting off the stage, and some jerkof calling himself a
modern journalist he's saying, I don't care what he said
to his young first comments. I only said the Pact audience,
I want to know what this. I mean, this, this
and this this now fair enough. You're asking the question.
This is two days later on impare to answer it. Look,
I've known Stuart Nash for a long time. I watched
him for a long time. I watched him in cabinet.
I watched his detail when he was studying stuff as
(08:57):
a cabinet minister and when he got sacked by Hipkins,
or when you've got criticized by others. I went public
to defend him both with respect when he asked, when
he are the Minister of Police, a certain question, are
you are gonna appeal? Aren't you? And my belief was
why did Nash have to ask a question that was
on everybody's lips. You are going to appeal this outrageous
(09:18):
judicial decision, aren't you? And the other one was when
he leaked information about to some two film of former
subscribers of his as to what the cabinet decision was. Well,
when you know, if you leak the truth, what's your
great sin here? See what's wrong here? And so I've
defended national and the reason why Nationally I get on
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was the only guy in politics that we defended him
at the time when he's getting coming all this crap
was me. And I've done it before. I've defended other
people like Debra Cotton and others who are wrongly malign
well Stuart. They stand for David Parker's offend of mine
because he got sacked by Helen Clark wrongly, and I
went publicans at the time and said Helen Clark's wrong,
she doesn't know what's going on. I believe David Plarker
(10:00):
is innocent David Parker finds from the company's office documents
that should have been destroyed after seven years, but they
are tidy way hadn't been destroyed after nine years, and
all of a sudden, David Park's got the document, says innoctant.
Did anybody apologize to David Parker or did Helen Clark know?
But I believe in one thing, I don't care what
mold politics is. If somebody has been wronged in Parliament,
get up and say so he and I are friends.
(10:27):
You please, You're You're in the city of Wellington and
you're sliding over a critical thing between Stuart National myself.
We got extra police of the three years, the three
year trunch and a bit longer. Not eighteen hundred frontline
new police. We got two thousand, two hundred and thirty
eight front line new police and your city is part
of the beneficiary of it. Now come back to my point.
(10:49):
Is Stuart National stand for his offers well? As he
told you on the weekend, that's for the New Zealand
First Party to process and for me to if I
wish to make application to He made it as clear as
daylight in every response he showed what an experienced member
of parliament. He is compared to some of these people
who are coming to partment would know what day it is,
(11:10):
and as surprised.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Does that surprise? I mean it's something that I talk
about on the show all the time. The behavior in Parliament.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I mean, well, I'm disgusted by. It's not the part
that they complain about. It's the clothes, the lack of standards.
People wearing channels, people wearing big tattoos all over their face,
wearing hats. It is a circus. Stanse t shirts because
between Trevor Mallard totally debased the darn place and that's
a disgrace. It's sad about that. Let me say it
(11:37):
about Stuva Nash. He's a modern politician, but there are
some things about him that give you to know he
understands the business for a long way back upfull. He
comes from a famous family.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Could he change your gratitude with working with labor? Could
he change it? Or could he? Could he?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Well?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
As he said, as he said, and then that's the point.
He made a speech at our convention. He said that
labour has forgotten the workers, It's forgotten what he used
to stand for. That's why he's leaving. Now, you just
tell me, why would you want to go back to
a place that to a party that's forgotten what a
laborer is, forgotten what a worker is. Can't tell you
what a woman is? Can Hipkins tell you what a
man is? This is how ridiculous it's got right.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
So that's a note what he can't sort of start know?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Can he be a candidate, announcewers if she wishes to be,
go through the process of My party will make a decision,
because we believe in a thing called democracy. That's why
we've survived.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I think I'm trying to get to the point is
do you think you could work with labor if Hipkins
wasn't there, if Nash would put something together and work.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I've made it as clear as as possible that I'm
not going to work with a bunch of losers and
racists to beat who can actually tolerate the party marriage
discussing racism, can just tolerate the Green Parties discussing communism.
They are avowed Marxists. You've got people there who've been
proud to say they're Marxists. Still are This is breath,
dank and stuff. Your audience doesn't know how bad things are.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Oh bit you they do. I wish we had the
microphones going during the break when St. Peter's It would
be a much bit more entertaining show, wouldn't it. You've
been putting me in my place, so I don't like
being put on my place. That's not my first radio either,
you know.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Now, I appreciate it. I didt ale bit of homework
on you.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
No you didn't, Yes, I did.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I found that you've got a lot of number of
businesses around town. You're pretty practical that you're concerned about
the shape of Wining and so am I. I can't
believe what's happened to the city. By the way, So
if you want to talk about women city, I'm happy
to talk about my views about it.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Okay, I mean, I'm disgusting. I mean, but can I
just ask you? Do you do you have any responsibility
your coalition government? Do you have any responsibility for the
situation Wellington as in now? Now you've been coming here
a long time, you know the city better than most.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, but I'm discussed it's not really central government's responsibility
because it's also happened at Auckland in Auckland and in
Willington they've declared full on attack against the car and
small business. It's a tragedy what's happening here. I can
contrast this city with say, wang're not putting an ancient Wonganu,
because there was an ancient wongan U. Wanganu's raced two
point two of the percent increase. Here's a disaster. You've
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got Tory Faro who had the ad to say, and
as you're running from mayor, I can even talk to
Winston Peters. I know, I know she didn't. She never
had me on back you ever at the time. And
here's the point. You have a full scale attack on cars,
you have a full scale attack on small business. You
wonder why your city's collapsing. Is a disaster here and
it's a disaster in organ In Auckland, the same thing
has happened. You go down to Queen Street, go to
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the the streets of adjacent to Queen Street. No one
can go there anymore because they've got to go by taxi.
They got to go by a bus and then ant
taxis and out busses. Then more importantly, it's as though
they're building and planning for a place where it doesn't
rain and it doesn't pour. It pours and rains and
will in and it palls and rains and organs palls
and rains all over this country. So all your planning
should be focused on the people's needs, but small businesses needs.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Do you think that the carlation could have done more?
They put an observer in, but you know, really we
needed more than an observer. We needed someone that could
actually make decisions and it could get some advice from government.
Do you think that your carlition could have done more?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Well, you're asking a question. The answers well, of course,
because not enough happened. But then again you got to
ask what sort of powers did he or she have?
And here we go, we're coming up for election again today,
and have you got any idea what's going to happen to?
Will it? Which one of these Merrial candidates, although the
other people have set out planned to turn Willington around,
in fact try and duplicate what Winnington was. One was
(15:20):
an exciting, vibrant place. So was Auckland. They've been killed
by highly paid, absent minded, far removed planners who have
pushed their narrow, unmandated views down the throat of the
mass majority, and we've wll stood by and let them
do it. What needs to change, what needs to change
(15:40):
is a whole new approach. You've got to say, look
on the salon accomplish things. It's two thousand and two.
There was commissioned by the then Helen Clark Labor government,
the Sham Report. The Shan Report was about local government.
He did a very very good report. He had all
these recommendations. They promptly got it and put it in
the two hard box. So what needs to be done
(16:01):
is narrow the focus of what local government has to
do and make sure they stick to just doing that.
But there's so many virtues singling nice to do. You've
got a bridge over there, you're all arguing about why
was it built in the first place? With all the
so mari carving all over? What on earth was the
plan of that? Please tell me why you paid for
all that costs? And I can show you example after example,
(16:22):
an example of gross waste in the city and in Auckland.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Okay, Andrew Little, you would have worked with him, you
know him. Will he be that guy to turn Wellington around?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Well? I hope he is. I'm not backing him or something.
But I'm looking at what is available and I kind
of think that Andrew's got a chance to actually make it.
And I don't know whether he willor not, but he's.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Got a what she got telling you, well.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
He's got a clear run to try and fix things up.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
The right guy.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I think the majority of Wellington's and Weddington is no
that they got sold a pup last time. The intention
of the Tory fine I was always to be a
member of Parliament for the Green Party. Well before we finished,
the Green Party would be so low and the polls
won't be worth her white time for that, I'm second
tide of people going into Polish, going to low government
who've got nothing to offer but sociological answers and virtue signaling.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
You think that's what Tory was doing it for. I
agree with you.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
I don't think it. I know it. Show me one
thing she knew where she knew what she was doing.
So if you've got what is it's how do they
learn on the job. There are people out there working
two or three jobs, They're paying their rates and everything else,
and hard up against it and these people frivolously wasting money.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
So give us one thing that you would do if
you were Meir or Wellington for a day.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
If I ask a mere winning a day, I'd seek to
not recover as past. But I look past when it
was a vibrant one of the most vibrant cities in
this country, and I look at the factors that made
that way, and I'd restore all of those things in
the modern context. I would not make it a cycle
cycle is paradise when the most windy country city in
the country a cyclist paradise. In the end, there are
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thousands of small businesses that are losing their potential here
because the whole planning system has decided to make their
job of getting customers and passed buying passer by customers
as difficult as and as possible. That's what's happened.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Do you still like Wellington? Not?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Do you more know?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
No?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I don't. I'm so sad of what to see what's
happened to? Oh God, this place was a live once
and now it's just been choked off and choked off.
And I have a contempt for these How can I
call these impractical planners? Who doesn't realize that the purpose
of planning is to increase the happiness of people and
their own private enjoyment and there amongst their own neighborhood.
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And they've iled, they've isolated all those objectives for their
grand nirvana, which is never going to come.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
When St Peter's lovely to have you on the show.
We should have your own, we should have you again.
I'll right, I'll write the questions and ad arts and
get you to clear them before you come if you do.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
If you do, it'll be first of all unique that
I've been been asked, because I've been by the mainstream
media and the shout out Cinderella Rise, marginal lies not
on the show, mischaracterizing. So a chance to be on
your show and frequently i'd welcome.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Right, and now welcome your comments about how to sort
Wellington out too as well. That'd be great. Wins and Peters,
thank you very much for joining us on Wellington Mornings.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Joining us for his first time in at Warrington Studio
is the right Honorable Winston Peters, New Zealand First Leader
and Foreign Minister. Good morning, Winston Peters, good morning, how
are you?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I'm very very good. I'm trying to figure out why
I've seen you so long to have me on your
brilliant show.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Well, you know what, I've tried several times, but you're
a hard fish to catch. Really, Yeah, can you come
a little bit closer to the mi because I want
to hear your dors tones. I heard you singing the
other day, which impressed the hell out of me.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Actually, well, I was just talking about was it the Bigger?
So I can't remember what it was. Here you go,
that's what it is and you need and you hit
the right notes. Well, actually I said that the Labor
Party had turned it not into a song or an
old song, but it turned into a manifesto.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Right, let's talk about the convention, right, key we saver?
Have you have you the numbers? Have you worked it out?
I personally think it's a great idea, but compulsory KIV Saber.
We've been pushing on the show for four years, so
that's a great idea. Can you can we afford the numbers?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Look, you're asking good question. The real issue is can
we afford not to have a saving strategy? Look it's
fifty years ago, and this is the fact I remembered
as a young lawyer. Fifty years ago, the then Labor
government had a saving strategy which was not perfect, but
instead of fixing it up, the National pay tended into
a campaign all about communism and the savings Plan owning
(01:40):
the whole country, as though it was a Marxist communist plan.
It was totally untrue and as a consequence, fifty years on,
even though we've made numerous attempts since then, I had
a referendum which I failed on. Colin came in with
the Culen Fund to try and smooth out the cost
of retirement, and then they bought on kiwisaver. Again. These
(02:01):
things have been partial successes, but we cannot going on
saying that somehow things will come right.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Would you be happy if they said we'll take compulsory key,
we save her, but we won't bump it up to
the amounts that you need. A bump, bump, bump up
to Would you be happy with that?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
No, because what they're doing is far too modus. Three
and four percent doesn't cut it for goodness sake. Singapore
with no resources at all but its people has gone
roaring past us when we wish to be part of
their aid program, wish to help them. They've gone roaring
past us because they've got a saving strategy and guess
what they save thirty seven percent they save every work
(02:41):
and boss Pace didn't do them Pace say thirty sevencentmar.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
From the Financial Markets Authority is warning that combine the
tax cuts and this would cost the government between twelve
billion and twenty eight billion dollars. Are they correct?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Well, how could they possibly be correct if that? If
their gap is twelve to twenty eight billion, right there,
you're a smart guy, you got businesses. If anybody says
you this, that's what could cost between twelve and twenty
eight They don't know what day it is, and they
are going to be financial market experts. My challenge to
them is, look what it's cost you for your neoliberal
stupid theories. You've shut down savings off shore In Australia,
(03:18):
they're doing far better than us, even though their savings
plans are not perfect, they're doing far better than us
in countries now like Croatia, like Poland. We have got
to get with the program. And yet here we go.
Fifty years ago would have been a fund which would
have been in the trillions now was denied us because
of political scrap rather than being bipartisan. Can we polease
(03:41):
go forward now? Yes, we can afford it. How because
we can't afford not.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
To have it?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
And how we can do that?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
How are we going to pay for it?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Well? First of all, can I just say to you,
you're not like Grant Robinson spending money on consumption. You're
putting a side of fun which is part of your economy,
and it's now financing things, is making things seriously happen.
That's why you can afford it, because you're not losing
the money or steuse the language pissing up against the wall. No,
next year, next year, in twenty years from now, it'll
(04:07):
be bigger and bigger and bigger. You can't afford not
to have this plan. I'll give you the details if
we go towards the twenty twenty six election.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I'm excited by this Kiwi's Values Document. I like it.
I mean, how are you going to make it work?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Look, we had a mempee called Clayton Mitchell, also serious,
sessful businessman. You might not that I know.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I'm Clayton very well.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Very cisil business. Clayton came up with the idea. We
had it in twenty eighteen just in case the act
Party trying to say it's there is it's not. And
Brook ban Velden put an article out on the weekend
when we announced it as though we were taking it
off her. It's not brook it's all there in twenty eighteen.
Have a look at what Clayton Mitchell will say. What
we are saying to people is we can see it
off shore and missing it here. People are coming here
(04:50):
with no respect for our flag, no respect for a
thing called democracy, no respect for quality, like respect for women,
the Guard regard amen a second class. They've got no
respect for people's different religions. And we're saying we're going
to put out a document of a few values on
it and if you want to come to this country,
you'll either sign up to it or just don't come.
But we're not going to have what we're seeing off
(05:11):
shore now a wholesale takeover of cities with absolutely content
for the local people who've been down to the center
trying to build these cities. Germany, it's happening in sad
and tragedy and the successful island right now. It's happening
all over the UK. Go on TV of your note
and out there in New Ziellas are watching TV and
they know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
France as well, welles France. Can you send Will you
send the people home that don't comply to what you
want them to be?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
No, they won't get any of that. Don't sign up
if they get here, and.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
If they sign up and they don't behave like you,
we'll send them homes. Coming here is a privilege, right
so you would send them home?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Okay? So what else? I mean? What else are you
going to do to make it better for New Zealanders
If you want them to sign up and say okay,
I'm going to be keywies, what else can you force
them to do?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well? Look, last week last year I announced something that
we're working on as we speak, and others are working
on as well. I only saw set what Sam Stubb
said to say about TV Sava and how it could
be marshaled for the economy. Last year, I announced at
the same convention last year one hundred billion dollar Future Fund.
Now Sam stubbs And has talked to me. We've talked
(06:18):
about it and we're saying, God, it's there already. It's
Tivy Saver used properly or there, I say it it
were by twenty twenty eight. The Color Fund, because the
subscriptions are now going back to it will be one
hundred billion dollars in twenty twenty eight. My question is
what is it doing to build a country called New Zealand.
(06:38):
So much of our economy is offshore owned, so much
of our added values offshore, and I am discussed that.
I travel the country. I find alliance the beef company
is now talking about going off to Ireland. I'm talking
about Fontira, It's product labels all going off to France.
I've seen West Coast Derry go off overseas. I saw
(06:59):
silvil Fern's farms go off the Chinese. I'm standing back
and saying to the National Party and others, what on
Earth's wrong with you people? If you want to be
successful as an economy, you've got to own the economy,
get all the maximum added value and the jobs and
all the growth in wealth for your country before anyone
else gets it. And that's why we're making these temple mistakes.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Mister. Why I want to have a plan that we
have these business people is that we can't get money.
That's why people are going overseas because we cannot get money.
If this key we save, a plan of yours comes
to fruition, could you see maybe rules that they have
to invest in New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Well that's the plan, would it happen? Well, now that's excellent.
That's why I'm on your show. A whole lot of
people are going out there and comes to election time,
they give me a micro light and they expect me
to take them to the moon. No, I need more votes,
and that's why I'm campaigning hard.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Is the ellection campaign under the way you started today?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
No? No, I started down Farmers the North that over
a thousand people at a public meeting.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Now, before you start checking out, I want to ask
you about Stuart dash because I think it's great. I
think it's a great move for New Zealand. First, I
think he's a great politician and a great man, I've
never met him, but I like him. I mean, it's
a good move for you.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Well, you know what astonished was Stuart Nash comes as
a guest speaker to our convention and he speaks, he
gets off the stage, and the media I'm not interested
in what he said. They are all out flat on
trying to interpret it, interpret what he didn't say. You
see what's wrong with this. There was a time when
the mainstream media would say he came and he gave
this speech and he said this, No, not anymore. You're
(08:35):
getting off the stage, and some jerkof calling himself a
modern journalist he's saying, I don't care what he said
to his young first comments. I only said the Pact audience,
I want to know what this. I mean, this, this
and this this now fair enough. You're asking the question.
This is two days later on impare to answer it. Look,
I've known Stuart Nash for a long time. I watched
him for a long time. I watched him in cabinet.
I watched his detail when he was studying stuff as
(08:57):
a cabinet minister and when he got sacked by Hipkins,
or when you've got criticized by others. I went public
to defend him both with respect when he asked, when
he are the Minister of Police, a certain question, are
you are gonna appeal? Aren't you? And my belief was
why did Nash have to ask a question that was
on everybody's lips. You are going to appeal this outrageous
(09:18):
judicial decision, aren't you? And the other one was when
he leaked information about to some two film of former
subscribers of his as to what the cabinet decision was. Well,
when you know, if you leak the truth, what's your
great sin here? See what's wrong here? And so I've
defended national and the reason why Nationally I get on
(09:39):
was the only guy in politics that we defended him
at the time when he's getting coming all this crap
was me. And I've done it before. I've defended other
people like Debra Cotton and others who are wrongly malign
well Stuart. They stand for David Parker's offend of mine
because he got sacked by Helen Clark wrongly, and I
went publicans at the time and said Helen Clark's wrong,
she doesn't know what's going on. I believe David Plarker
(10:00):
is innocent David Parker finds from the company's office documents
that should have been destroyed after seven years, but they
are tidy way hadn't been destroyed after nine years, and
all of a sudden, David Park's got the document, says innoctant.
Did anybody apologize to David Parker or did Helen Clark know?
But I believe in one thing, I don't care what
mold politics is. If somebody has been wronged in Parliament,
get up and say so he and I are friends.
(10:27):
You please, You're You're in the city of Wellington and
you're sliding over a critical thing between Stuart National myself.
We got extra police of the three years, the three
year trunch and a bit longer. Not eighteen hundred frontline
new police. We got two thousand, two hundred and thirty
eight front line new police and your city is part
of the beneficiary of it. Now come back to my point.
(10:49):
Is Stuart National stand for his offers well? As he
told you on the weekend, that's for the New Zealand
First Party to process and for me to if I
wish to make application to He made it as clear as
daylight in every response he showed what an experienced member
of parliament. He is compared to some of these people
who are coming to partment would know what day it is,
(11:10):
and as surprised.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Does that surprise? I mean it's something that I talk
about on the show all the time. The behavior in Parliament.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I mean, well, I'm disgusted by. It's not the part
that they complain about. It's the clothes, the lack of standards.
People wearing channels, people wearing big tattoos all over their face,
wearing hats. It is a circus. Stanse t shirts because
between Trevor Mallard totally debased the darn place and that's
a disgrace. It's sad about that. Let me say it
(11:37):
about Stuva Nash. He's a modern politician, but there are
some things about him that give you to know he
understands the business for a long way back upfull. He
comes from a famous family.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Could he change your gratitude with working with labor? Could
he change it? Or could he? Could he?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Well?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
As he said, as he said, and then that's the point.
He made a speech at our convention. He said that
labour has forgotten the workers, It's forgotten what he used
to stand for. That's why he's leaving. Now, you just
tell me, why would you want to go back to
a place that to a party that's forgotten what a
laborer is, forgotten what a worker is. Can't tell you
what a woman is? Can Hipkins tell you what a
man is? This is how ridiculous it's got right.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
So that's a note what he can't sort of start know?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Can he be a candidate, announcewers if she wishes to be,
go through the process of My party will make a decision,
because we believe in a thing called democracy. That's why
we've survived.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I think I'm trying to get to the point is
do you think you could work with labor if Hipkins
wasn't there, if Nash would put something together and work.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I've made it as clear as as possible that I'm
not going to work with a bunch of losers and
racists to beat who can actually tolerate the party marriage
discussing racism, can just tolerate the Green Parties discussing communism.
They are avowed Marxists. You've got people there who've been
proud to say they're Marxists. Still are This is breath,
dank and stuff. Your audience doesn't know how bad things are.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Oh bit you they do. I wish we had the
microphones going during the break when St. Peter's It would
be a much bit more entertaining show, wouldn't it. You've
been putting me in my place, so I don't like
being put on my place. That's not my first radio either,
you know.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Now, I appreciate it. I didt ale bit of homework
on you.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
No you didn't, Yes, I did.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I found that you've got a lot of number of
businesses around town. You're pretty practical that you're concerned about
the shape of Wining and so am I. I can't
believe what's happened to the city. By the way, So
if you want to talk about women city, I'm happy
to talk about my views about it.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Okay, I mean, I'm disgusting. I mean, but can I
just ask you? Do you do you have any responsibility
your coalition government? Do you have any responsibility for the
situation Wellington as in now? Now you've been coming here
a long time, you know the city better than most.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, but I'm discussed it's not really central government's responsibility
because it's also happened at Auckland in Auckland and in
Willington they've declared full on attack against the car and
small business. It's a tragedy what's happening here. I can
contrast this city with say, wang're not putting an ancient Wonganu,
because there was an ancient wongan U. Wanganu's raced two
point two of the percent increase. Here's a disaster. You've
(13:59):
got Tory Faro who had the ad to say, and
as you're running from mayor, I can even talk to
Winston Peters. I know, I know she didn't. She never
had me on back you ever at the time. And
here's the point. You have a full scale attack on cars,
you have a full scale attack on small business. You
wonder why your city's collapsing. Is a disaster here and
it's a disaster in organ In Auckland, the same thing
has happened. You go down to Queen Street, go to
(14:20):
the the streets of adjacent to Queen Street. No one
can go there anymore because they've got to go by taxi.
They got to go by a bus and then ant
taxis and out busses. Then more importantly, it's as though
they're building and planning for a place where it doesn't
rain and it doesn't pour. It pours and rains and
will in and it palls and rains and organs palls
and rains all over this country. So all your planning
should be focused on the people's needs, but small businesses needs.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Do you think that the carlation could have done more?
They put an observer in, but you know, really we
needed more than an observer. We needed someone that could
actually make decisions and it could get some advice from government.
Do you think that your carlition could have done more?
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Well, you're asking a question. The answers well, of course,
because not enough happened. But then again you got to
ask what sort of powers did he or she have?
And here we go, we're coming up for election again today,
and have you got any idea what's going to happen to?
Will it? Which one of these Merrial candidates, although the
other people have set out planned to turn Willington around,
in fact try and duplicate what Winnington was. One was
(15:20):
an exciting, vibrant place. So was Auckland. They've been killed
by highly paid, absent minded, far removed planners who have
pushed their narrow, unmandated views down the throat of the
mass majority, and we've wll stood by and let them
do it. What needs to change, what needs to change
(15:40):
is a whole new approach. You've got to say, look
on the salon accomplish things. It's two thousand and two.
There was commissioned by the then Helen Clark Labor government,
the Sham Report. The Shan Report was about local government.
He did a very very good report. He had all
these recommendations. They promptly got it and put it in
the two hard box. So what needs to be done
(16:01):
is narrow the focus of what local government has to
do and make sure they stick to just doing that.
But there's so many virtues singling nice to do. You've
got a bridge over there, you're all arguing about why
was it built in the first place? With all the
so mari carving all over? What on earth was the
plan of that? Please tell me why you paid for
all that costs? And I can show you example after example,
(16:22):
an example of gross waste in the city and in Auckland.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Okay, Andrew Little, you would have worked with him, you
know him. Will he be that guy to turn Wellington around?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Well? I hope he is. I'm not backing him or something.
But I'm looking at what is available and I kind
of think that Andrew's got a chance to actually make it.
And I don't know whether he willor not, but he's.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Got a what she got telling you, well.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
He's got a clear run to try and fix things up.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
The right guy.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I think the majority of Wellington's and Weddington is no
that they got sold a pup last time. The intention
of the Tory fine I was always to be a
member of Parliament for the Green Party. Well before we finished,
the Green Party would be so low and the polls
won't be worth her white time for that, I'm second
tide of people going into Polish, going to low government
who've got nothing to offer but sociological answers and virtue signaling.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
You think that's what Tory was doing it for. I
agree with you.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
I don't think it. I know it. Show me one
thing she knew where she knew what she was doing.
So if you've got what is it's how do they
learn on the job. There are people out there working
two or three jobs, They're paying their rates and everything else,
and hard up against it and these people frivolously wasting money.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
So give us one thing that you would do if
you were Meir or Wellington for a day.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
If I ask a mere winning a day, I'd seek to
not recover as past. But I look past when it
was a vibrant one of the most vibrant cities in
this country, and I look at the factors that made
that way, and I'd restore all of those things in
the modern context. I would not make it a cycle
cycle is paradise when the most windy country city in
the country a cyclist paradise. In the end, there are
(18:01):
thousands of small businesses that are losing their potential here
because the whole planning system has decided to make their
job of getting customers and passed buying passer by customers
as difficult as and as possible. That's what's happened.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Do you still like Wellington? Not?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Do you more know?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
No?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I don't. I'm so sad of what to see what's
happened to? Oh God, this place was a live once
and now it's just been choked off and choked off.
And I have a contempt for these How can I
call these impractical planners? Who doesn't realize that the purpose
of planning is to increase the happiness of people and
their own private enjoyment and there amongst their own neighborhood.
(18:44):
And they've iled, they've isolated all those objectives for their
grand nirvana, which is never going to come.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
When St Peter's lovely to have you on the show.
We should have your own, we should have you again.
I'll right, I'll write the questions and ad arts and
get you to clear them before you come if you do.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
If you do, it'll be first of all unique that
I've been been asked, because I've been by the mainstream
media and the shout out Cinderella Rise, marginal lies not
on the show, mischaracterizing. So a chance to be on
your show and frequently i'd welcome.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Right, and now welcome your comments about how to sort
Wellington out too as well. That'd be great. Wins and Peters,
thank you very much for joining us on Wellington Mornings.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
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