The government has announced that large reputable construction companies, as well as plumbers and drainlayers will soon be able to self-certify their work, removing the need for lengthy council consents.
But could this lead to an increase in shoddy building work?
Also, Prime Minister Christopher Luxon said he's open to a discussion about banning Nazi symbols - is this a good idea?
And what was going through Ginny Andersen's mind when she reposted a photo suggesting a crease in King Charle's suit looked like a vagina? She told Nick Mills herself.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Wellington Mornings podcast with Nick Mills
from News Talk Said b focusing in on the issues
that matter politics Thursday on Wellington Mornings, news Talk said Bhine.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Can you make Judy us for politics Thursday? This week
as Labour's police spokesperson Jenny Anderson and nationals O techy
mp TM Costly Costly. Good morning to you both. Good
morning Judy. I've got to start by asking what the
hell was going through your mind when you took the
posted a photo of King Charles comparing his crease to
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a female crease in the front of his suit to
a female's body part. That was a strange.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
One look it was. It was a total mistake. The answers.
I just wasn't thinking. I didn't read it through fully
before I sheared it. But that's absolutely no excuse. And
to be honest, like I was really disappointed in myself.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Okay, we'll leave it at that. Let's just move on.
You bettered it for four and it didn't quite come off.
But I always thought, just journy just quickly though. I
always thought that King Charles a beautiful dresser for an
older man. I always thought he always.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Looked I didn't like that.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Suit much, the one that you comment on. But you know,
normally when you see him, he just looks immaculate, doesn't
he He does?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
And to be friends. Look, you shouldn't just I shouldn't
have commented. I didn't comment. I shed something else that
someone else had said. But commenting on appearance is not
the appropriate thing for EMPs.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
To be doing.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
And I should have fully read it and understood it
before I sheared it. But that's no excuse it was.
It was bad behavior.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Indeed, did you get into trouble?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Well, look, you're in a public role and when you
do dumb stuff like that, people pick up on it.
So I think that's that's the punishment in itself as adult,
not as you.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Get just between men you who told you of.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I didn't get actually told off, but it's pretty clear
what I did was unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Come on, jerdy, now, we don't believe you. I want
to know whether it was Karen McNulty that rang you,
or Chippy that rang you. Someone would ran you and
see what the hell were you thinking?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
No, The first I realized was when I had a
media inquiry from the Herald, and so I rang and
told them so with the other way. It was me
putting my hand up saying, hey, this has happened and
that's not ideal. I need to do something about it.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
All right, I did say we'd move on. I'm starting
to beat you up now, I'm starting to be a
bit of a bully.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
So let's right, that's right, I'm used to it. I'm
used to it.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Oh, thank you, not from me. Let's move on, because.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I'm sure that not from you now.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I'm sure that Costley wants to copy it on a
few things. The government announced this week it's introducing some
self consenting powers for large, reputable builders, the likes of
plumbers and drain layers. It means a lot of tradees
will be able to self certify their work instead of
needing a council inspection. Tim, why is this needed? And
a a little bit nervous.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
No, I'm not nervous. It's neither because we have just
got out of control.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Now.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
We need to build more houses, we need to growth
in this country and this is a fantastic step. It's
a really favorable feedback. But I'll give you a great
example of how compliance has got out of control. I
was visiting the build of the new Poka Kaiki Self
Life Staving Club the other day on Monday, sorry, Tuesday,
and they showed me their building can send all two thousand,
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one hundred and ninety six pages of it. That is
bigger than all of the Lord of the Rings trilogy
and the seven to one version of Chronicles of Narnia. Now,
no one expects that a builder would be meeting all
of those a couple of times a year, and nor
should we expect them to be going through layers and
layers of told them how they hit a specially shuga
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jib up on the wall. This is where they are
experts at and where they want to opt into this
new system it is OpEd in, just like it's already
now for electricians and for gas fitters. Or why wouldn't
we also let builders, plumbers, train layers do the same thing.
All those companies that have got a long track record
and building future numbers are almost soddical homes. This is
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a great way not just to cut the costs for
the consumer at the end of the day, but also
to cut the time. We cannot spend a year and
a half building each outfit. It's got out of control.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Okay, Jinny. I heard Karen McNulty on Mike's show the
other day. He was pretty supportive of this, which surprised me.
Are you guys behind.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Us, Well, we're kind of cautiously supportive and so no,
there's a lot of trustworthy and talented trades people out
there in New Zealand. But it's also important to remember
that building consents were tightened up after the leaky buildings
crisis that cost the country in people. You know, people
who are owner own homes. I think eleven billion dollars.
So we need to make sure if this is being done,
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it has to be done right. Otherwise we just risk
transferring huge cross costs to homeowners down the track. So yeah, cautiously,
and we don't want Keywis to be left out of
pocket as a result of getting someone who is a.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Bit of a cowboy.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Tim The one concern I have with us, and I
love the idea of it, so I'm fully behind it.
But the one concern I have is big reputable business
companies go broke just as quickly as a guy next door.
What happens if one of them goes broken. I've seen
it in the last ten years with really well respected
building businesses going balia.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah, that's always a tough situation. But we've got to
remember this isn't about so much, Oh what if they
go broken, they have to fix something in ten years time.
This is about ensuring that the right standards are met
when they're built. But you know, for example, when we
were doing a bit of DIY work at home, redoing
a bathroom, but we've got the builders and to do
that structure, but they had to we had three inspections
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just to come in and check that they were putting
the jib up the right way and things like that.
That's what we're talking about getting rid of. It's not about,
you know, will a company go bus It's about do
we need to add layers of compliant and inspections and
cough for some pretty simple tasks, low risk tasks, low
risk building where these guys are qualified to do it already,
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and frankly, that's not going to be an issue that
needs chasing up in ten this time.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Judy, on the show yesterday when they were talking about it,
they heard from a lot of builders who say there's
still a bunch of shoddy Workmens have got a good rep,
but they're shoddy I mean, how do you actually get
rid of the shoddy people and just have the good one?
I mean, it's no such thing.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Is that.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
It's really hard. I mean I know people personally have
had someone do work on their house and they've had
to end up getting a second mortgage because they can't
afford to take it through the cap courts. So when
you do have someone who's not done it properly, it's
a massive mental and financial strain for a family to
go through. But that's a tough question next, because the
fact that there are these checks in place mean that
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people are doing it properly, so that the worry is
if their checks aren't in place, Can it mean that
people cut corners? So we need to have a process
in place that gives people the reassuring that trades people
won't cut corners. It's is not being overlooked.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
But surely we don't need the two hundred and triogy
five thousand page trilogy of Lord of the Rings and
everything to get thgin about now. I understand with Tim Costly.
I mean, if I saw an application from Tim Costly
doing a d y his own bathroom, I'd be saying
I'm keeping an eye. Next, he's a pilot. He wouldn't
have a clue about how to put the jib or
the tiles and make the water proof, would he.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Well, look, sometimes we surprise you, but I guess to
pack up your bigger point about you know what we're
worried about. Of course, everyone's worried about not wanting to
see us, you know, suddenly have all these quality issues.
But when you look at electricians and guests fitters and
you think how many howny douses around New Zealand are
burning down because of a wiring or a guest fitting fold?
How many? How many times is this coming up? Actually
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that that hasn't been an issue, And this is years
and years that they bed that self certification in place.
So I'm not consumed that suddenly we're going to see
sheets of gym fall of from a bathroom war as
a result.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Okay, take a short break and come back. Note we
want to move on to the next topic. The latest
IPIS issue poll came out this week IPSOS Sorry I
should read that right. IPSOS Issues pole came out this week.
It polls Kiwis on what they think are the biggest
issues in New Zealand. One of the results shocked a
lot of people. Sixty five percent of voters now think
there should be some kind of capital gains tax, including
(08:27):
a bunch of National voters. Ginny, Jenny, Jinny, Jinny, you
might be getting this one right.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, it's interesting how things have changed over time. I
think New Zealand is one of the fewer countries in
the world that doesn't have a capital gains tax. And
we do get most of our money through gust or
salery and wages, and whereas people making large profit of
things like capital investments and buying and selling residential properties.
Pain tacks on that, and I think people get that.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
How close are you to getting some sort of decision
made on capital gains Jenny.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Will have announcements in the new year closer, Tim, do
you think National needs to take another look at this?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I can. I can hear cris Hipkins looking as looked
from from here, He's never met a tax he didn't love. Look,
I think you know there's there's there's a lot of
order to go under that bridge in terms of you know,
what does the caperal games tax looks like? And when
when people are being surveyed. Ultimately, at the election, we
were very clear on what we would do. It wouldn't
be a caperal gains tax. In fact, there would be
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lowering taxes and delivering tax relief for hard working Kiwis.
That's what people voted for. That's what we've delivered. We
heard Hipkins, we heard Barbara Emmons come out say that
we're be inflationary. It would be you know, really bad
for the economy. Actually the opposite happened, where you know,
a year ahead of predictions for getting inflation to the
target range, for getting interest rates down. Kiwis are seeing
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relief on every front, and this is great news for them.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I think, Tim, I just want to tell you, I
think you give that line up. I think the opposition
parties or the the other side of the table has
been using that line about taxation for forty years. I
think it's probably gone now looking at.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Well, because they keep coming back to it though they
keep wanting to introduce more texts than actually Kings were
really put at the election that they wanted the text
reliefs were promising. We've delivered it. That hasn't driven up
the place that we've seen the.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Office well and till I'd like to jump in there.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Listen to Keywis, then it'll keep being an issue.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Okay, you guys just like to jump in there.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I can look.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
What we have seen is the government promis sayings that
have text relief. But what we've seen an increase in
is rates have gone up. We've seen all our road
user charges go up. We've seen a whole lot of
other levies and extra expenses for our households. Rates are
huge for people and so they're sort of giving with
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one hand and taking with the other. And the cuts
to government funding end up having to be funded from
people's weekly wages. And that's where the level of frustration
is coming from. So we all have a tax policy
to announce later next year.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
And you see year before now you've gone to late.
You said earlier in the.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
New year, I said, I said in the new year,
I said next year. All right, I just got there
and we're working through that right now.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Okay, Can I quickly just ask you a question, Dennie.
The poll seems to show that particular poll show so
Labour's winning back a lot of the trust trust on
big issues. The party is now more trusted with health
and national has the government you reckon has dropped the
ball a bit on health. They haven't got health quite right,
have they?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Pale, You've got it wrong. I mean they kicked up
a mass of fuss that they're went enough nurses in
the country and to get them on the green list.
Uh and and so when they got into government they've
put out a hire and freeze. We have got vacancies,
frontline vacancies and the health sector and nurses wanting those jobs,
but an adequate funding to be able to pay for it.
(11:58):
So can we see that when they want to get
a GP visit, when they want to go to hospital,
they haven't funded it adequately. And it's it's people at
the end of the day carry those costs.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Just on that. Just before the last election, label was
the most trusted with just two out of the twenty issues.
It's now nine. Are you even slightly concerned for that number?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
No, I'm not. You know, I think it's hard to
try and put the microscope on just one individual poll. Actually,
I think what we're seeing is we you know, absolutely
did we inherit our health system crisis one hundred percent?
And this stuff takes time to fact. If you think
about nurses, there haven't been hiring free there have been
two thousand fives round eighty six point one full time
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equivalent employed in the last year, so we actually need
to get the truth out here. We are set on
a program of work which is going to take sometimes
to see before benfit. But just like we've seen and
the economy turned around, inflation down, interest rates down, a
bit of pressure, relief and pressure on that cost of living,
we're seeing really early signs of progress across health and education,
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law and order, and we need to keep going. There
are years of work in university and we sully committed
to that.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Guys. I just want to quickly ask you something because
it happened overnight yesterday. Mike King on hitherto peric Allen's
show said alcohol is not a problem for people with
mental health issues. It's actually a solution to our problem.
Until you come up with a better solution. It stops
those thoughts. This is all Mike King's talking, not me.
I would suggest to you that alcohol has prevented more
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young people from taking their own lives than it actually
makes them take their own lives. Ginny Anderson, this is
quite scary from somebody that the government's put a lot
of money into and we all trust to help us
with our mental health illness in this country.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Really concerning that we've got a leader in mental health
who's has a contract to deliver services in the space
saying things that is directly contradictory to medical evidence. When
I was in Central Auckland and meeting with people who
work in the City Mission and frontline Addiction services, questioning
them about the high increase of youthmphetamine, all said, oh,
(14:08):
it is more deadly the meating phetamine. In this space,
we see far more people with long term mental health
conduction issues being hurt any family's hurt through alcohol than mess.
So let's not underestimate the fact that alcohol does cause
a lot of damage in New Zealand. And it really
concerns me that comments like that are being made that
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seem to be quite uninformed about the.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Medical tim costly. I know it's a difficult thing for
you to comment on because your government, your coalition government,
has paid such huge attention to mental illness. But this
is someone that you're funding making comments and public like this.
It's quite disconcerting, isn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Look, I just sort of found out about this five
ten minutes ago, so I haven't seen you more than
what you've just seen now. But I fot agree with
what I just heard from you. Now. I don't agree
that alcohol is a solution, but I do agree think
that we need to take into health seriously. I do
agree that investing tens of millions of dollars is the
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right thing to do and we have to see tangible
improvements for much as young Kiwi's but all the kiweeds
from the money that's being pought into mental health. It's
it's a really significant and serious issue, okay.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Prime Minister Christopher likes And said yesterday he was open
to a discussion about banning Nazi slogans and symbols after
again Tanya and law Heart. This weekend saw lots of
people yelling out help sink Sink, Help, seek help, But
David Seymour is against the ban. Tim, does this make
sense to you?
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Oh? Look, as I understand, the pen got asked you
know about changes made in Australia and ex said, look,
it's you know, we can have a conversation, but right
now it's not our priority. We've you know Prioriti thinks
like any game pictures that give the sick of the
intimidation of violence they bring. That comes into effect in
three weeks time, and we're certainly all about supporting our
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police given them more powers to go after our violence criminals,
to go to gangs that pedal droves and lizard in
our community that steps out.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I says, right now, Ginny Anderson, why should gang patches
been banned but not swas you know, swastika is really.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Does seem it does seem strange. And this is the
difficulty when you get into the sort of benning things
like gang patches, is where do you draw the line.
I mean, ultimately we'll see how the conversation goes and
how it looks in Australia before we'll make any long
term suggestions about how to do this in the future.
But to be honest, this is a classic example of
yet to gain David Seymour undermining Christopher Luxen. So you've
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got Seymour saying yeah, it's fine to have a swastiker,
and then Luck's and saying no.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
So no, he's saying no, I'm saying that. No, he's
not saying no, He's saying he wants to look at it.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
To look at it.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
But Seymour says no, we're not taking a look at it.
We think it's okay. So you've got two different messages
coming from the government.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Okay, let's move on. Finance Minister Nicola Willison's received advice
from Treasury about to do to make Qwi Bank a
more competitive bank, and they've suggested offering up shares on
the share market. The Greens have kicked up a fuss
saying this looks like the government is trying to privatize
the bank. Tim is the government considering offering up shares
and key We Bank? What's the latest on there?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yeah? So look the latest is and I think we
all saw the inquiring into the banks last week which
picked off. You know, keys are sick of seeing these
particularly Australian banks come in and take huge, huge amounts
of profit offshore out of the pockets of Kiwi's. This
is where we really believe in the Greetless of Commerce
Commission saying que We Bank can become a bit of
a maverick or a disruptor, but they need capital to
do that. And so Nicola Worth, I think's a fantastic job,
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which is our Treasury for advice. One of those options
was raising capital on the Stock exchange but it also
talked about you know, key We saver funds or investment
funds going and being able to be invested into Kiwi Bank.
So look, the full report hasn't come yet, that will
be received by expect to Cabinet in December and then
Kebinet can consider though, so let's not get ahead of it.
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But I think that important thing is we do want
to see que savor for a Qwe bank. I would
have disrupted and ensure that key Wes are getting better
service from the bank, because right now I think we're
being built.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Jenny does labor support offering up slices of Kiwibank so
they can raise more capital. Surely, anything that makes them
more competitive, it's going to be a good thing.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
A firm view that qew We Bank should remain in
q We hence we know that those major banks don't
face strong competition. In the report that we initiated in
government relates early year and he really confirmed that k
We Bank's always been intended to be a disruptor. But
as long as it remains in q wee hens and
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maintains its purpose as a disruptor of the large foreign banks,
and we'll be remaining open minded as to how we
work through in terms of what we do taking steps forward.
But the thing that I would always be interested in
as well is seventy percent of our key we favor
funding goes offshore, and surely maybe there's an opportunity for
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it to go to ky we beg to bolster it,
so we're backing ourselves in situations like this.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
All right, I want to finish off this segment with
you guys, and thank you for joining us this morning.
We're only a few days out from the big election,
the big one, and no one in the world does
an election like Americans. I spend a bit of time
watching it over the last couple of days. Exciting, exciting.
I'm going to come to you to what are your thoughts.
We won't get to talk before the actual results, or
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hopefully we'll know somewhere before next Thursday what the results
look like. What do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I been waiting for this we dance that we get
to do each week. And you'll ask me who's going
to win, and I'll tell I'm going to work and
our home come will work with whoever wins to get
the best for keywaves and look, I'm not going to
launch it and gives you inserside scoop right now. And
I don't think that's what people really want to hear.
But it will be an interesting one to watch. You know,
there's people out there predicting all sorts of things. At
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what matters is that our government gets to work working
with either way, it'll be a new president when to
get the best opportunities for key with and pen see
you founder is the best on.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
The world to day now, Jinny Anderson, I'm not a
fencer to like my mate Tim Costly, not you know,
my guest, Tim Costly shouldn't call him a mate. I'll
get myself in trouble there. I'm not offencer. And I
went early. I went really early and said Camala's got it.
I said she's got it. She's I don't know why,
but I really and I think I've got it wrong.
I think I've made a mistake. And I'm kind of worried.
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What do you think? No, I said, I said, I
went Kamala, but I think I've got it wrong.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Okay, okay, I'll give it.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I've got quite a few good mates in the United States,
and a lot of them just don't vote. You know,
a lot of them are so actively disengaged that they
either vote for a third party the chance or they
don't vote. And I think that's the biggest problem not
just facing America but all democracies right now, is the
lack of political engagement we have. So yep, we'll work
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collaboratively with Weav's government. If it does go to Trump,
I really hope it doesn't impact upon our trade. He
said he wants to introduce the teens sent tarifinal imports
into the UIST. That would really undermine the games made
by New Zealand in terms of exports to the UIs
over the last few years. So that would be my
main hope for that our economy.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I don't want you to go be a political spin
I want you to tell me how you think is
gonna win.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Jenny, Look, it's really tough to tell. I think that
there's a certain kind of mongrel sense over in the
UIs that like Trump, they like they feel that the
world's gone a bit crazy. So we need someone who's
you know, a bit wiley and like to do that job.
I think there's a definite sense from people I speak
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to over the here but as we know, it comes
down to those last couple of states. It's really difficult
to make that call. I mean, if I was over
there and I was a US, I'd be voting for Camarow.
I think she's got the no. I think Harris has
got the right moral was the right things in place.
But look, I think it's going to be down to
the wire and from people on the ground, it's looking
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closer to Trump.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
If you want me to.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Well, I'm not going to ever stand behind you in
a T A b Q. There's three people in you
in the miles away from either of you in a
T A b QU If you want ever better, no way,
see you lady.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Do you think Trump?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I know I'm hoping. I think Cammella would be Carmella
will be amazing, Kamala will be amazing. But I think
that momentum has gone with Trump, and I don't I
mean something about Trump that I just do not like.
I've got to admit to that. So anyway, I don't
sit on the fence too much. Jenny Anderson, thanks for
joining us on the show. Please don't take a photo
of my crutch next time you will pass me. I'd
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be very nervous of I won't do that, the comment
of the comments that would come out and Nationals taking
MP Tim costly.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Yeah, great with you, Thank you both very much.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Can you make Judy us for politics Thursday? This week
as Labour's police spokesperson Jenny Anderson and nationals O techy
mp TM Costly Costly. Good morning to you both. Good
morning Judy. I've got to start by asking what the
hell was going through your mind when you took the
posted a photo of King Charles comparing his crease to
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a female crease in the front of his suit to
a female's body part. That was a strange.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
One look it was. It was a total mistake. The answers.
I just wasn't thinking. I didn't read it through fully
before I sheared it. But that's absolutely no excuse. And
to be honest, like I was really disappointed in myself.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Okay, we'll leave it at that. Let's just move on.
You bettered it for four and it didn't quite come off.
But I always thought, just journy just quickly though. I
always thought that King Charles a beautiful dresser for an
older man. I always thought he always.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Looked I didn't like that.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Suit much, the one that you comment on. But you know,
normally when you see him, he just looks immaculate, doesn't
he He does?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
And to be friends. Look, you shouldn't just I shouldn't
have commented. I didn't comment. I shed something else that
someone else had said. But commenting on appearance is not
the appropriate thing for EMPs.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
To be doing.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
And I should have fully read it and understood it
before I sheared it. But that's no excuse it was.
It was bad behavior.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Indeed, did you get into trouble?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Well, look, you're in a public role and when you
do dumb stuff like that, people pick up on it.
So I think that's that's the punishment in itself as adult,
not as you.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Get just between men you who told you of.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I didn't get actually told off, but it's pretty clear
what I did was unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Come on, jerdy, now, we don't believe you. I want
to know whether it was Karen McNulty that rang you,
or Chippy that rang you. Someone would ran you and
see what the hell were you thinking?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
No, The first I realized was when I had a
media inquiry from the Herald, and so I rang and
told them so with the other way. It was me
putting my hand up saying, hey, this has happened and
that's not ideal. I need to do something about it.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
All right, I did say we'd move on. I'm starting
to beat you up now, I'm starting to be a
bit of a bully.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
So let's right, that's right, I'm used to it. I'm
used to it.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Oh, thank you, not from me. Let's move on, because.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I'm sure that not from you now.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I'm sure that Costley wants to copy it on a
few things. The government announced this week it's introducing some
self consenting powers for large, reputable builders, the likes of
plumbers and drain layers. It means a lot of tradees
will be able to self certify their work instead of
needing a council inspection. Tim, why is this needed? And
a a little bit nervous.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
No, I'm not nervous. It's neither because we have just
got out of control.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Now.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
We need to build more houses, we need to growth
in this country and this is a fantastic step. It's
a really favorable feedback. But I'll give you a great
example of how compliance has got out of control. I
was visiting the build of the new Poka Kaiki Self
Life Staving Club the other day on Monday, sorry, Tuesday,
and they showed me their building can send all two thousand,
(03:36):
one hundred and ninety six pages of it. That is
bigger than all of the Lord of the Rings trilogy
and the seven to one version of Chronicles of Narnia. Now,
no one expects that a builder would be meeting all
of those a couple of times a year, and nor
should we expect them to be going through layers and
layers of told them how they hit a specially shuga
(03:58):
jib up on the wall. This is where they are
experts at and where they want to opt into this
new system it is OpEd in, just like it's already
now for electricians and for gas fitters. Or why wouldn't
we also let builders, plumbers, train layers do the same thing.
All those companies that have got a long track record
and building future numbers are almost soddical homes. This is
(04:18):
a great way not just to cut the costs for
the consumer at the end of the day, but also
to cut the time. We cannot spend a year and
a half building each outfit. It's got out of control.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Okay, Jinny. I heard Karen McNulty on Mike's show the
other day. He was pretty supportive of this, which surprised me.
Are you guys behind.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Us, Well, we're kind of cautiously supportive and so no,
there's a lot of trustworthy and talented trades people out
there in New Zealand. But it's also important to remember
that building consents were tightened up after the leaky buildings
crisis that cost the country in people. You know, people
who are owner own homes. I think eleven billion dollars.
So we need to make sure if this is being done,
(04:58):
it has to be done right. Otherwise we just risk
transferring huge cross costs to homeowners down the track. So yeah, cautiously,
and we don't want Keywis to be left out of
pocket as a result of getting someone who is a.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Bit of a cowboy.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Tim The one concern I have with us, and I
love the idea of it, so I'm fully behind it.
But the one concern I have is big reputable business
companies go broke just as quickly as a guy next door.
What happens if one of them goes broken. I've seen
it in the last ten years with really well respected
building businesses going balia.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah, that's always a tough situation. But we've got to
remember this isn't about so much, Oh what if they
go broken, they have to fix something in ten years time.
This is about ensuring that the right standards are met
when they're built. But you know, for example, when we
were doing a bit of DIY work at home, redoing
a bathroom, but we've got the builders and to do
that structure, but they had to we had three inspections
(05:53):
just to come in and check that they were putting
the jib up the right way and things like that.
That's what we're talking about getting rid of. It's not about,
you know, will a company go bus It's about do
we need to add layers of compliant and inspections and
cough for some pretty simple tasks, low risk tasks, low
risk building where these guys are qualified to do it already,
(06:14):
and frankly, that's not going to be an issue that
needs chasing up in ten this time.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Judy, on the show yesterday when they were talking about it,
they heard from a lot of builders who say there's
still a bunch of shoddy Workmens have got a good rep,
but they're shoddy I mean, how do you actually get
rid of the shoddy people and just have the good one?
I mean, it's no such thing.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Is that.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
It's really hard. I mean I know people personally have
had someone do work on their house and they've had
to end up getting a second mortgage because they can't
afford to take it through the cap courts. So when
you do have someone who's not done it properly, it's
a massive mental and financial strain for a family to
go through. But that's a tough question next, because the
fact that there are these checks in place mean that
(06:56):
people are doing it properly, so that the worry is
if their checks aren't in place, Can it mean that
people cut corners? So we need to have a process
in place that gives people the reassuring that trades people
won't cut corners. It's is not being overlooked.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
But surely we don't need the two hundred and triogy
five thousand page trilogy of Lord of the Rings and
everything to get thgin about now. I understand with Tim Costly.
I mean, if I saw an application from Tim Costly
doing a d y his own bathroom, I'd be saying
I'm keeping an eye. Next, he's a pilot. He wouldn't
have a clue about how to put the jib or
the tiles and make the water proof, would he.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Well, look, sometimes we surprise you, but I guess to
pack up your bigger point about you know what we're
worried about. Of course, everyone's worried about not wanting to
see us, you know, suddenly have all these quality issues.
But when you look at electricians and guests fitters and
you think how many howny douses around New Zealand are
burning down because of a wiring or a guest fitting fold?
How many? How many times is this coming up? Actually
(07:52):
that that hasn't been an issue, And this is years
and years that they bed that self certification in place.
So I'm not consumed that suddenly we're going to see
sheets of gym fall of from a bathroom war as
a result.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Okay, take a short break and come back. Note we
want to move on to the next topic. The latest
IPIS issue poll came out this week IPSOS Sorry I
should read that right. IPSOS Issues pole came out this week.
It polls Kiwis on what they think are the biggest
issues in New Zealand. One of the results shocked a
lot of people. Sixty five percent of voters now think
there should be some kind of capital gains tax, including
(08:27):
a bunch of National voters. Ginny, Jenny, Jinny, Jinny, you
might be getting this one right.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, it's interesting how things have changed over time. I
think New Zealand is one of the fewer countries in
the world that doesn't have a capital gains tax. And
we do get most of our money through gust or
salery and wages, and whereas people making large profit of
things like capital investments and buying and selling residential properties.
Pain tacks on that, and I think people get that.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
How close are you to getting some sort of decision
made on capital gains Jenny.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Will have announcements in the new year closer, Tim, do
you think National needs to take another look at this?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I can. I can hear cris Hipkins looking as looked
from from here, He's never met a tax he didn't love. Look,
I think you know there's there's there's a lot of
order to go under that bridge in terms of you know,
what does the caperal games tax looks like? And when
when people are being surveyed. Ultimately, at the election, we
were very clear on what we would do. It wouldn't
be a caperal gains tax. In fact, there would be
(09:33):
lowering taxes and delivering tax relief for hard working Kiwis.
That's what people voted for. That's what we've delivered. We
heard Hipkins, we heard Barbara Emmons come out say that
we're be inflationary. It would be you know, really bad
for the economy. Actually the opposite happened, where you know,
a year ahead of predictions for getting inflation to the
target range, for getting interest rates down. Kiwis are seeing
(09:54):
relief on every front, and this is great news for them.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I think, Tim, I just want to tell you, I
think you give that line up. I think the opposition
parties or the the other side of the table has
been using that line about taxation for forty years. I
think it's probably gone now looking at.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Well, because they keep coming back to it though they
keep wanting to introduce more texts than actually Kings were
really put at the election that they wanted the text
reliefs were promising. We've delivered it. That hasn't driven up
the place that we've seen the.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Office well and till I'd like to jump in there.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Listen to Keywis, then it'll keep being an issue.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Okay, you guys just like to jump in there.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I can look.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
What we have seen is the government promis sayings that
have text relief. But what we've seen an increase in
is rates have gone up. We've seen all our road
user charges go up. We've seen a whole lot of
other levies and extra expenses for our households. Rates are
huge for people and so they're sort of giving with
(10:54):
one hand and taking with the other. And the cuts
to government funding end up having to be funded from
people's weekly wages. And that's where the level of frustration
is coming from. So we all have a tax policy
to announce later next year.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
And you see year before now you've gone to late.
You said earlier in the.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
New year, I said, I said in the new year,
I said next year. All right, I just got there
and we're working through that right now.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Okay, Can I quickly just ask you a question, Dennie.
The poll seems to show that particular poll show so
Labour's winning back a lot of the trust trust on
big issues. The party is now more trusted with health
and national has the government you reckon has dropped the
ball a bit on health. They haven't got health quite right,
have they?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Pale, You've got it wrong. I mean they kicked up
a mass of fuss that they're went enough nurses in
the country and to get them on the green list.
Uh and and so when they got into government they've
put out a hire and freeze. We have got vacancies,
frontline vacancies and the health sector and nurses wanting those jobs,
but an adequate funding to be able to pay for it.
(11:58):
So can we see that when they want to get
a GP visit, when they want to go to hospital,
they haven't funded it adequately. And it's it's people at
the end of the day carry those costs.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Just on that. Just before the last election, label was
the most trusted with just two out of the twenty issues.
It's now nine. Are you even slightly concerned for that number?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
No, I'm not. You know, I think it's hard to
try and put the microscope on just one individual poll. Actually,
I think what we're seeing is we you know, absolutely
did we inherit our health system crisis one hundred percent?
And this stuff takes time to fact. If you think
about nurses, there haven't been hiring free there have been
two thousand fives round eighty six point one full time
(12:41):
equivalent employed in the last year, so we actually need
to get the truth out here. We are set on
a program of work which is going to take sometimes
to see before benfit. But just like we've seen and
the economy turned around, inflation down, interest rates down, a
bit of pressure, relief and pressure on that cost of living,
we're seeing really early signs of progress across health and education,
(13:04):
law and order, and we need to keep going. There
are years of work in university and we sully committed
to that.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Guys. I just want to quickly ask you something because
it happened overnight yesterday. Mike King on hitherto peric Allen's
show said alcohol is not a problem for people with
mental health issues. It's actually a solution to our problem.
Until you come up with a better solution. It stops
those thoughts. This is all Mike King's talking, not me.
I would suggest to you that alcohol has prevented more
(13:31):
young people from taking their own lives than it actually
makes them take their own lives. Ginny Anderson, this is
quite scary from somebody that the government's put a lot
of money into and we all trust to help us
with our mental health illness in this country.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Really concerning that we've got a leader in mental health
who's has a contract to deliver services in the space
saying things that is directly contradictory to medical evidence. When
I was in Central Auckland and meeting with people who
work in the City Mission and frontline Addiction services, questioning
them about the high increase of youthmphetamine, all said, oh,
(14:08):
it is more deadly the meating phetamine. In this space,
we see far more people with long term mental health
conduction issues being hurt any family's hurt through alcohol than mess.
So let's not underestimate the fact that alcohol does cause
a lot of damage in New Zealand. And it really
concerns me that comments like that are being made that
(14:30):
seem to be quite uninformed about the.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Medical tim costly. I know it's a difficult thing for
you to comment on because your government, your coalition government,
has paid such huge attention to mental illness. But this
is someone that you're funding making comments and public like this.
It's quite disconcerting, isn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Look, I just sort of found out about this five
ten minutes ago, so I haven't seen you more than
what you've just seen now. But I fot agree with
what I just heard from you. Now. I don't agree
that alcohol is a solution, but I do agree think
that we need to take into health seriously. I do
agree that investing tens of millions of dollars is the
(15:11):
right thing to do and we have to see tangible
improvements for much as young Kiwi's but all the kiweeds
from the money that's being pought into mental health. It's
it's a really significant and serious issue, okay.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Prime Minister Christopher likes And said yesterday he was open
to a discussion about banning Nazi slogans and symbols after
again Tanya and law Heart. This weekend saw lots of
people yelling out help sink Sink, Help, seek help, But
David Seymour is against the ban. Tim, does this make
sense to you?
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Oh? Look, as I understand, the pen got asked you
know about changes made in Australia and ex said, look,
it's you know, we can have a conversation, but right
now it's not our priority. We've you know Prioriti thinks
like any game pictures that give the sick of the
intimidation of violence they bring. That comes into effect in
three weeks time, and we're certainly all about supporting our
(16:03):
police given them more powers to go after our violence criminals,
to go to gangs that pedal droves and lizard in
our community that steps out.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I says, right now, Ginny Anderson, why should gang patches
been banned but not swas you know, swastika is really.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Does seem it does seem strange. And this is the
difficulty when you get into the sort of benning things
like gang patches, is where do you draw the line.
I mean, ultimately we'll see how the conversation goes and
how it looks in Australia before we'll make any long
term suggestions about how to do this in the future.
But to be honest, this is a classic example of
yet to gain David Seymour undermining Christopher Luxen. So you've
(16:43):
got Seymour saying yeah, it's fine to have a swastiker,
and then Luck's and saying no.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
So no, he's saying no, I'm saying that. No, he's
not saying no, He's saying he wants to look at it.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
To look at it.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
But Seymour says no, we're not taking a look at it.
We think it's okay. So you've got two different messages
coming from the government.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Okay, let's move on. Finance Minister Nicola Willison's received advice
from Treasury about to do to make Qwi Bank a
more competitive bank, and they've suggested offering up shares on
the share market. The Greens have kicked up a fuss
saying this looks like the government is trying to privatize
the bank. Tim is the government considering offering up shares
and key We Bank? What's the latest on there?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Yeah? So look the latest is and I think we
all saw the inquiring into the banks last week which
picked off. You know, keys are sick of seeing these
particularly Australian banks come in and take huge, huge amounts
of profit offshore out of the pockets of Kiwi's. This
is where we really believe in the Greetless of Commerce
Commission saying que We Bank can become a bit of
a maverick or a disruptor, but they need capital to
do that. And so Nicola Worth, I think's a fantastic job,
(17:45):
which is our Treasury for advice. One of those options
was raising capital on the Stock exchange but it also
talked about you know, key We saver funds or investment
funds going and being able to be invested into Kiwi Bank.
So look, the full report hasn't come yet, that will
be received by expect to Cabinet in December and then
Kebinet can consider though, so let's not get ahead of it.
(18:06):
But I think that important thing is we do want
to see que savor for a Qwe bank. I would
have disrupted and ensure that key Wes are getting better
service from the bank, because right now I think we're
being built.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Jenny does labor support offering up slices of Kiwibank so
they can raise more capital. Surely, anything that makes them
more competitive, it's going to be a good thing.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
A firm view that qew We Bank should remain in
q We hence we know that those major banks don't
face strong competition. In the report that we initiated in
government relates early year and he really confirmed that k
We Bank's always been intended to be a disruptor. But
as long as it remains in q wee hens and
(18:47):
maintains its purpose as a disruptor of the large foreign banks,
and we'll be remaining open minded as to how we
work through in terms of what we do taking steps forward.
But the thing that I would always be interested in
as well is seventy percent of our key we favor
funding goes offshore, and surely maybe there's an opportunity for
(19:09):
it to go to ky we beg to bolster it,
so we're backing ourselves in situations like this.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
All right, I want to finish off this segment with
you guys, and thank you for joining us this morning.
We're only a few days out from the big election,
the big one, and no one in the world does
an election like Americans. I spend a bit of time
watching it over the last couple of days. Exciting, exciting.
I'm going to come to you to what are your thoughts.
We won't get to talk before the actual results, or
(19:37):
hopefully we'll know somewhere before next Thursday what the results
look like. What do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I been waiting for this we dance that we get
to do each week. And you'll ask me who's going
to win, and I'll tell I'm going to work and
our home come will work with whoever wins to get
the best for keywaves and look, I'm not going to
launch it and gives you inserside scoop right now. And
I don't think that's what people really want to hear.
But it will be an interesting one to watch. You know,
there's people out there predicting all sorts of things. At
(20:06):
what matters is that our government gets to work working
with either way, it'll be a new president when to
get the best opportunities for key with and pen see
you founder is the best on.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
The world to day now, Jinny Anderson, I'm not a
fencer to like my mate Tim Costly, not you know,
my guest, Tim Costly shouldn't call him a mate. I'll
get myself in trouble there. I'm not offencer. And I
went early. I went really early and said Camala's got it.
I said she's got it. She's I don't know why,
but I really and I think I've got it wrong.
I think I've made a mistake. And I'm kind of worried.
(20:37):
What do you think? No, I said, I said, I
went Kamala, but I think I've got it wrong.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Okay, okay, I'll give it.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I've got quite a few good mates in the United States,
and a lot of them just don't vote. You know,
a lot of them are so actively disengaged that they
either vote for a third party the chance or they
don't vote. And I think that's the biggest problem not
just facing America but all democracies right now, is the
lack of political engagement we have. So yep, we'll work
(21:10):
collaboratively with Weav's government. If it does go to Trump,
I really hope it doesn't impact upon our trade. He
said he wants to introduce the teens sent tarifinal imports
into the UIST. That would really undermine the games made
by New Zealand in terms of exports to the UIs
over the last few years. So that would be my
main hope for that our economy.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I don't want you to go be a political spin
I want you to tell me how you think is
gonna win.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Jenny, Look, it's really tough to tell. I think that
there's a certain kind of mongrel sense over in the
UIs that like Trump, they like they feel that the
world's gone a bit crazy. So we need someone who's
you know, a bit wiley and like to do that job.
I think there's a definite sense from people I speak
(21:54):
to over the here but as we know, it comes
down to those last couple of states. It's really difficult
to make that call. I mean, if I was over
there and I was a US, I'd be voting for Camarow.
I think she's got the no. I think Harris has
got the right moral was the right things in place.
But look, I think it's going to be down to
the wire and from people on the ground, it's looking
(22:16):
closer to Trump.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
If you want me to.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Well, I'm not going to ever stand behind you in
a T A b Q. There's three people in you
in the miles away from either of you in a
T A b QU If you want ever better, no way,
see you lady.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Do you think Trump?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I know I'm hoping. I think Cammella would be Carmella
will be amazing, Kamala will be amazing. But I think
that momentum has gone with Trump, and I don't I
mean something about Trump that I just do not like.
I've got to admit to that. So anyway, I don't
sit on the fence too much. Jenny Anderson, thanks for
joining us on the show. Please don't take a photo
of my crutch next time you will pass me. I'd
(22:59):
be very nervous of I won't do that, the comment
of the comments that would come out and Nationals taking
MP Tim costly.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Yeah, great with you, Thank you both very much.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
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