Ben Shapiro Wrote A Book About Sex

Robert is joined by Sofiya Alexandra to read Ben Shapiro's book about sex.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
What's profoundly sexually frustrated my Ben Shapiro. This is a
special book episode. I'm Robert Evans behind the Bastards podcast
Worst People tell you all about him. Ben Shapiro was
one of our favorite Worst People who was simultaneously far
too personally boring to get an episode dedicated to his
life and hilarious enough that we we continue to analyze

(00:25):
his work. And today I've brought on Sophia Alexandra, one
of my favorite guests, to talk about a subject. Sophia,
you do a podcast about sex, right You're you're you're
something of a sexpert? Would that be sure? Do podcast
called Private Parts Unknown about love and sex around the world,
And as such, I um would do what I would

(00:47):
describe as anti Ben Shapiro wing as I try to
make sure people get wet. Sophia, I think that may
be unfair, and I think you actually might have a
lot to learn from Ben Shapiro, and so as a
service to you, as a small brained woman, I'm sure
I can as a service to you, I'm gonna play

(01:08):
this video of Bin Shapiro explaining the concept of pegging.
Oh no, oh no, at least she trust and gay.
That's pretty exciting and gay we trust is. We had
Megan Rapino and then we had Kara di Levine and
I maybe screwing up her name, but frankly I don't
care because I really don't know very much who she is.

(01:29):
Apparently she's some sort of model and here she was
modeling a bib slash straight jacket. I don't know what
this top is supposed to be. And it says, peg
the patriarchy. Oh the courage, Oh the stunning courage and bravery,
Peg the patriarchy because pegging, of course, is an obscure
sexual practice in which women perform the the the more

(01:53):
aggressive sexual act on men, Peg the patriarchy, right, which, yeah,
and if she's pegging the patriarchy by being model for
the pleasure of men generally speaking, Okay, that's that's enough.

(02:19):
I just needed the explanation of pegging as a woman
performing the and then he stutters, like nine times aggressive
part of sex. But also it's a rare act. It
tells you a lot about ben because one of the
things that tells you, like, if you have never pleased

(02:39):
a sexual partner with a vagina, you might believe that
you cannot be penetrated and do so aggressively. But you
can also I don't know who understands less about pegging
the patriarchy, karadel Avian or Benship. Yeah, mean, like I

(03:00):
think that's what a ridiculous thing. Dejectively feels good. That's
why you would do it. And she's like, can we
It's like, let's blow the patriarchy. I'm like, yeah, I'm
frustrated by it because there's nothing bad about pegging, and
that's like the inherent implication of that wonderful unpleasant No,

(03:21):
it's lovely. Um, but like, yeah, anyway, I just been
Shapiro's understanding of sex is always just a beautiful thing.
And Sophia, what if I were to tell you that
Bennethan Shapiro wrote an entire book about sex? Do you
mean bent Affer? Yeah? Been benefits been off, Bennet, I

(03:50):
don't know, I don't know. Whatever. How would you feel
if I told you that, Sophia? Um, I would laugh
very hard. And that is why I'm excited to be
on this. Well, he did. He published the book Porn Generation.
I believe it was published in two thousand eight, so
back before you know, anybody knew who been Shapiro, was

(04:12):
that my porn Generation? Yeah, I almost got that one,
so Sophia almost. Oh no, the Who? Yeah, wait about
that's the who? I know about the Who. Tommy was
the first album I ever bought. We finally found a
fucking pop culture reference from a millionillion years ago. Tommy

(04:36):
is one of my favorite pieces of music. I mean,
it's awesome, but who are awesome? It was? It was
quite an era in which you could have a rock
opera that included a song about your uncle Ernie molesting you,
which is a banger, like a very very like morally
confusing banger because it fettle about an incredible song, The Hatcher,

(04:57):
The Catcher and the Rye of Songs. Now, Sophia sorry,
It was two thousand thirteen that he wrote this book,
still before any reasonable person had ever heard of Ben Shapiro.
It's called obviously that's the year that orgasms were invented? Correct,
because none had occurred until Ben Shapiro wrote this book.
Not in my Shapiro family, for certain. So it's called

(05:20):
Porn Generation. How social Liberalism is corrupting our future. Um,
the title is it looks like look up this title
for me, because I'm trying to figure out what's actually
going on with the title. It appears to be Um,
it appears to be the word porn and red with
I'm not sure if that's a cock ring or just

(05:41):
a nose ring on the word porn, Like if that's
the maybe a belly button ring. Um. It's weird that
it's there's like just a ring on it. Um. Um.
I think it is so vague because he's just against
the concept of Pierre things. Yeah. I think it might
be just like he's like two stars half piercings. Yes,

(06:07):
it's very funny concern like understand being scared of piercings,
like don't yeah, yeah, when when a nose piercing meant
that you were like three seconds away from executing an
act of sexual terrorism? Um, but not in two thousand thirteen.

(06:32):
So the cover also has one of those explicit warning
explicit lyrics sign which I think is ironic. Um. And
then there's a quote from Ann Coulter on the front.
Ben Shapiro's writing a smart, informative, and incisive. He is
wise behind his ears without losing the refreshing fearlessness of youth. Yes,
when I think it's been Shapiro, I think fearless. I'm sorry,

(06:56):
did you say wise beyond his ears? Wise be on
to his years? Um? He knows that that the act
of penetration um is fundamentally aggressive. He literally just found
out women get wet last year. Yeah, well, I don't
know that he found that. He's a wonder kid because

(07:17):
as as as I recall, his wife told him that
a vagina being wet was a sign of infection. She did,
She said, there's something wrong with these women. For example,
you know in my life never does and the only
people I get wet with other people outside of this marriage.
Can I get an amen? Every time anymously fucking on

(07:39):
Tinder he talks about sex. He owns himself to a
degree that I didn't realize was possible. Like you repeatedly
have give people so much ammunition to dunk on you,
and not even like it's incredible, it's breathtaking, Like it's
like you would have to if you were not, if

(07:59):
you didn't have the natural gifts been Shapiro had, you
would have to create a like you would have to
work as a full time job to be owned that hard?
Did he not get bullied as a kid he's like,
I mean, I think, oh, but probably still yes, the
world has bullied Been Shapiro because like, you know, I

(08:22):
was bullied and you know exactly which ship is going
to be ammunition. How do you how do you live
here on God's Green Internet or it or just typing ship?
Like I don't know how to please women? Like it's incredible,
It's just crazy, it's just just amazing. Um. So the
it opens with a dedication. This is written by Ben

(08:44):
to all members of my generation striving to maintain their dignity, honor, virtue,
and innocence and a chaotic culture, and to their parents.
I will remind you, because he talks about maintaining his
innocence that a little less than a decade before this,
when he was I think seventeen, Been Shapiro wrote a
column for a conservative website arguing that there's no such

(09:04):
thing as civilian casualties in Afghanistan and we shouldn't care
how many women and children are bombs gil um. Innocence
pegging is aggressive, but but celebrating the murder of civilians
by twenty first century weaponry is totally fine. That is
Ben Shapiro's ethical stance. Who the funk is the intended audience,

(09:25):
because he just tried to pretend like I was for
parents and kids. Well, I guess I think I can
help you here because chapter one is titled A Generation Lost,
and it opens up with a quote from John Locke, who,
as you may know, as a man who never fucked um,
absolutely did not fuck. The John Lock quote is virtue

(09:47):
is oh, Hobbs. Hobbs didn't do anything but funck. The
only reason we have writings from Hobbs is that somebody
was taking them down while he was in mid bone.
He just dictated them all. Like David Mill writing Deadwood.
He occasionally had to take a like a syphilis break,
and that's when you would knock out some writing, and

(10:07):
then he would just go right back to fucking. Yeah. Um,
that's lock could never um. So the Lock quote is
virtue was harder to be got the knowledge of the world,
and if lost in a young man is seldom recovered. Um.
John Locke, he's just being like, don't learn things, just

(10:31):
stay innocent and hide. That's kind of what that sounds like.
The nightmare of thinking that you are as a person
completely static and you cannot change. You should be static
changing growing. These are all bad things. That is kind
of the essence of conservatism. And that's why he never
got hard. He's against growing. No, he is against growing,

(10:52):
so his dick would not get hard. No, no, no,
you you celebrate that. So so here's here's how this
book opens. This has been and I am a member
of a lost generation. We have lost our values, we
have lost our faith, and we have lost ourselves as
societal standards and traditional values have declined, and the crassest
elements of sexual deviancy and pornography if taken over the

(11:16):
public square. It is the youngest Americans who have paid
the price. Never in our country's history has a generation
been so empowered, so wealthy, so privileged, and yet so empty.
I want to look up the levels of wealth in
the millennials, just just just to point out that he's
comprehensively wrong about everything. Oh do you mean the generation

(11:36):
that objectively is doing way worse than their parents? Yeah?
By like, um, so millennials are eighty percent as wealthy
as their parents were at this age. Uh. And this
is from Bloomberg. In almost every way measurable. Millennials in
the US at forty are doing worse financially than the
generations that came before them. Um, it's it's it's incredible.

(11:57):
We love millennials own less than five percent of all
US wealth, and like two percent of that alone is
Mark Suckerberg. Um. It's just it's hysterical how wrong he is. Um,
because because he's he's he's an idiot. Um. I'm not
going to read the rest of the book in my
Ben Shapiro voice because people will stop listening, and they
ought to, but I just kind of felt the need

(12:17):
to with that. It was if a tool and a
toad had a gross baby, yeah, somehow sexless. I cannot Yeah,
if Gilbert Grape and Gilbert Godfrey had a baby and
then that baby, I don't know. I don't even know,
Like what could be sad enough to happen to a
baby to make it Ben Shapiro. I guess that's the

(12:38):
mystery of Ben Shapiro, is how did someone that's sad
come about? Um? And I have some information on that answer,
but but but but I cannot share it. Um. So
Ben goes on to say, this book is not written
from the perspective of a parent, a sociologist, or a teacher,
but of a peer. So there's the answer to your question, Sophia.
So this is my generation, the poor in generation, and

(13:01):
for good or ill, we are all America's future. So
that's very funny. Um. I would pay good fucking money
for Ben Shapiro's porn history. So if anyone is a
hacker and has that information allegedly allegedly post it, I
also just want to go on to note because the

(13:22):
point here is that Ben Shapiro is comprehensively wrong about everything.
He's wrong about this being a generation of sexual deviancy.
Millennials and Generation Z are having less casual sex than
Generation X or the Baby Boomers, according to a two
thou eighteen study, actually less sex in general, preod less sex,
less alcohol consumption, more social media, living for with parents

(13:45):
for longer. Um. Yeah, that came out into There was
a study about that in two thousand fourteen. Um, so again,
Ben Shapiro. If Ben Shapiro makes a claim, you just
have to assume the opposite is true. Yep. So Um
he goes on to blame thats how his wife tries
to get him to find her clip. So okay, if

(14:07):
I say left, this motherfucker is going to go right yeah, okay,
so that's just how I'm going to reverse engineer this
ship and still still bone dry, bone dry. The last
time she tried to get him to find her clip,
he wound up in Haifa. Actually that is why he's
such a rabid Zionist. It allows him to avoid He thinks,

(14:30):
it's my man winds up in the dead sea. Um,
your ms, I am in hi Fa looking for her clip.
So he blames the deviancy of the current generation, which

(14:53):
is he's talking about millennials here. It's generation Z wasn't
really much of a topic of discussion. Um. He blames
the devancy on moral relativism, radical feminism, and generational nihilism. Um.
So that's great, umially in your nerd face, you know what.

(15:13):
He says that, instead of adopting stronger moral standards are
society has embraced the lure of personal fulfillment. In a
world where all values are equal, where everything is simply
a matter of choice, narcissism rules the day. Our culture
has bred hollow young men obsessed with self gratification. Young
women are told to act like sex objects and enjoy it.

(15:34):
The revisionist historians of effectively labeled obscenity as a right
that the Founding Fathers sought to protect. Society told the
poor in generation that final moral authority rests inside each
of us, and in our vanity, we listened. I can't.
I didn't mean to fade into the voice. It just
how are you act if you're acting like a sexual
object and you're enjoying it? How are you acting that?

(16:02):
Completely a statement that makes zero sense. Yeah, it's it's
it's really it's really outstanding. Um, yeah, this is outstanding.
Are acting like you like gay sex and you're enjoying it? Yeah?
Hey guess what? Yeah, I got used for you. Alright,

(16:28):
we're all invited too this year's Pride parade. Okay, that
is all. Before we move into ads, I want to
note one other thing Ben got wrong, Because you could argue,
we already pointed out this millennials and generations he have
less sex with fewer partners than the generations before them,
so they are objectively less slutty. Um, but you might argue, well,
but Ben is also saying that porn is the problem,

(16:49):
so maybe he maybe his argument is right, And because
of all the poinn we're consuming, we're fucking less, which
isn't the argument Ben is making. He's comprehensively wrong. But
I want to note that there. I want to just
read a quote from Vice about the the argument that
like hass porn, why millennials are fucking less. Unfortunately, there's
one problem with this explanation. It's completely wrong. In a

(17:11):
study published earlier this year in the Archives of Sexual Behavior,
researchers analyzed a quarter centuries worth of data from the
General Social Survey, a nationally representative US survey conducted most
years that inquires about American sex lives, among other things,
since nineteen nine, Participants have been asked two key questions,
whether they have seen a pornographic movie in the last year,
and how often they were having sex during the same

(17:32):
time period. This allowed researchers to see whether these two
things were related. It turns out that Americans across the board,
not just millennials, were having less sex today than they
were in the past. However, millennials were doing it less
than everyone else, and while this decline in sexual activity
was linked to porn use, the results probably weren't what
you were expecting. Specifically, rather than being linked to less sex, watching,
porn was actually linked to having more sex. In other words,

(17:55):
though porn might seem like the logical target to blame
when it comes to why millennials and everyone else are
getting laid less offense, it's not the right one. So
if it's not porn, then what else might be going on?
Another common sense explanation is that it's due to changes
in work life balance. Working more should translate to alex
active sex life. However, the news Archived study also discounts
this possibility, finding that unexpectedly working longer hours like watching porn,

(18:18):
was linked to more sex. Instead. What we're seeing here
has likely to do with changing marriage patterns. Studies have
pretty consistently found that married people have to tend to
have more sex than single people. However, given that millennials
are waiting longer and longer to get married, the average
age of a first marriage is now closer to thirty,
perhaps that's part of the reason why they're less sexually active. So,
in other words, millennials are fucking less because they're doing

(18:41):
the thing that Ben Shapiro says they should be doing,
which is waiting longer to have sex and having fewer
sexual partners. Like Again, like these people's understanding of everything
that's actually happening in society is completely off. Like it's
the same way that people who are against abortion are
also suppers control and you're like, okay, well are you

(19:03):
gonna shoot all the babies? Like I don't understand, or
the pregnant the pregnant women, you're killing the pregnant women.
Got it. Yeah, It's just there's a lot of reasons.
And it's not just like people are waiting longer for
marriage people. There's a number of reasons. Some people like
suspect that like antidepressant medication has an impact on it um,

(19:24):
but like as a general rule, like comprehensively, the argument
that like this generation is somehow like more sexually depraved
and active than before isn't the case. And the most
you can say is that now people are talking a
little bit more about some of the weird sex stuff
that they've always done. But like, I have a theory
too as to why I think that millennials are fucking less.

(19:50):
It's because of like the rampant insecurity and like being alive,
because most people don't have a safety net. There's been
a housing collapse, there's been a pandemic. I mean, there's
been nothing since fucked up ship since nine eleven. Uh

(20:10):
was something that kids could remember and depressed. Yeah, so
I feel like, yeah, sorry, Like if people don't fuck
as much because they're like I don't have healthcare and
I am housing and secure, good news been the world
that you've enthusiastically tried to build has made people so

(20:30):
miserable that they're fucking less. Yeah. Yeah, that's a pretty
simple explanation. And my confirmation for that is like vacation syndrome.
You know, when you go on vacation. Suddenly you're like,
oh my god, I'm like so fun and interesting and
I do cool ship and I funk all the time here,
and then you're like, oh, what's different? Oh? Is that
that I'm feel not shackled to the capitalist, fucking like

(20:54):
chains of my work week and the ways in which
the place I live has ailed me? Oh? Oh that
must be it. Okay, that's what makes you horny? Great?
You know what makes me horny, Sophia, goods and services,
specifically the products and services that support this podcast. Nothing
else gets me hard. But what is it? Is it?

(21:17):
Exon mobile today, Sophie, I certainly hope not. Ah, Just
if you want, if you want to get combination gun
fentin al store. Well, now that that would get me
pretty hard. Well, let's keep our fingers crossed. Speaking Robert's
language there, I mean, I do prefer to lauded, but
either way product Ah, we're back and we're talking about

(21:46):
Ben Shapiro's book on sex. So this first little bit
ends with the paragraph the porn generation now inhabits a
world where empowered means sex with no strings attached. The
old faith and traditional morality was too bourgeoisie, archaic, sexist,
and closed minded for this brave new world. Our new
God is tolerance of all behavior. Our new credo live

(22:06):
and let live imagine thinking like live and let live
is a bad yeah, or it is like negative and
again just he's comprehensively wrong about every single factual claim
he makes. Um like the Beatles wrote a literal fucking
jam about it years ago, a real banger of a song.
You really think that that ship is new? And also

(22:27):
he's like, you know what sucks freedom, the exact freedom
that I think, Wait a minute, I've talked myself into
a corner. I guess I love freedom, but I also
hate it. So the next chapter or not chapter section
of the book starts with as children, members of the
porn generation are presented with morally subversive sexual education programs

(22:48):
that increasingly younger ages. Nine year olds are lectured about
condom the use, twelve year olds are pushed to make
decisions about their sexual orientation. Fifteen year olds are expected
to have said goodbye to virginity. And again, I guess
it is it is probably true that kids are getting
better sex, said younger. Maybe that's part of why they're
having less casual sex, is they're getting more sex, said

(23:11):
and learning about std S. I don't know. I doubt
it has an impact on that, but whatever the case,
it's certainly not making them funck more, because as is stated,
they're fucking less. I mean, and also, like, I just
have to be honest that I do remember when I
turned twelve that somebody did come up to me and
put a gun to my head and asked me to choose,
uh my sexual orientation. And I panicked, you know, so

(23:34):
I said, by and you know, now I'm obligated to
like both men and women and you know, and just
all all gender spectrums. Because they put that gun to
my head, they made me decide at twelve they pushed me.
And and that's that's how it is for all of
us who are bisexual. I was forced, at gunpoint at

(23:55):
age twelve to watch mos def and the Hitchhiker's Guide
movie and and and violently told to be aroused by it.
And there's there's just you know, it did incalculable damage. Yes, yes, yes,
um getting wet too, wild things, I would have to say,
as they're getting wet in the pool. Yeah yeah, I

(24:19):
that's traumatic because I literally was being you know, tied
to a chair and forced to watch that and masterbait
and I I as a result of this childhood trauma,
I can't watch Pedro Pascal in a movie without needing
to turn the air conditioning on. So specific I am

(24:41):
with you. I am in this. Literally, who isn't You
don't even have to be by to be into Pedro Pascal? Okay?
So um, all right, so been here, Okay, here's been
dropping a fact. I'm interested in this? So um? Oh
actually okay. And college drug use, alcohol use, and sexual experimentation,

(25:03):
or the norm, as one Harvard girl told me, we're
jaded and it's fun fun to this girl meant trips
to Amsterdam to smoke different types of marijuana. To others,
fun means binge drinking or random sex. This fucking nerd
ever invited you to a fucking party does not mean

(25:26):
you have to be such a sour little dick about everything.
And also, let's let's be frank here. If you've ever
been to California where Ben lives, Amsterdam wheat is weak ship.
It is, it just is. It's way worse than fucking
cal I was impressed by Amsterdam pot when I went
there from Texas, but my god, the West anyway, whatever,

(25:46):
Ben is comprehensively wrong again. All right, here's a Guardian article.
They drink less, take far fewer drugs, and have made
teenage pregnancy a near anomaly. Generation Z, one of several
terms used to describe the post millennial youthborn after nine,
preferred juice bars to pub crawls, rank quality family time
ahead of sex, and prioritize good grades before friendship, at least,
according to a report published by the British Pregnancy Advisory

(26:08):
Service last week and their studies in the US that
find again most like millennials and Generation Z are drinking
less than previous generations, using less illicit drugs. The exception
is fucking pain killers, because again, pain killers like numb
emotional pain. So the fucking problem here, like Ben's focusing on,
like they're having sex, they're smoking marijuana. No, Ben, they're

(26:28):
addicted to fucking pain killers. Um, but that's the thing.
They're actually doing more. And they're not doing it more
because we've we've made it okay to be degenerate. They're
doing it more because pain killers are widely available and
make lifeless miserable. And people who have spent a lot
of time donating money to you are the same motherfucker's
who were pushing those pain killers for fucking decades. Yeah,

(26:51):
it's it's cool. Um, yeah, okay, And so he goes
on to cite a study from Details magazine and Random
House that's a survey of college students had a one
night stand for to cheated on a steady partner, to
try to get someone drunk or high, to get them
in bed, had slept with someone knowing they would never

(27:11):
call again. Um. Oh so this is fun. So he
he cites this stuff, and he says nothing about previous generations.
So again he's just talking about like how many millennials
have had one night stands as opposed to being like,
how does this compared to previous generations? Is this happening
more often or less often? And the reason he doesn't
actually do that comparatively is because they're they're doing it

(27:33):
less often. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um, so he's just citing
statistics about a single generation, uh, completely separate from like
actually analyzing them with any historical context, which is, so,
let people have a one night stand if they have
one and they realize that that person isn't for them, Uh,

(27:54):
and that's it. That's better than fucking getting married to
some woman you stocked when you were you know, in
the fifties until she fucking forcibly agreed to marry you
because she just got tired, and like, then you're in
a relationship with her forever and neither of you are
in love and she puts her head in the oven

(28:16):
and your kids don't know what love is. So why
don't you just let people have one night's stance? How
about that? Because Ben is an incredible journalist, he goes
from citing this one study without any sort of context
as as to how any of these things have changed
over time, and then he provides us with a case
study of a young woman whose college experience, uh he says,

(28:38):
is emblematic of of young women these days. That young
woman isn't real. The case study he cites is Charlotte Simmons,
who is a character in a Tom Wolfe novel. Um
Ben says that her story carries enormous way. Let me
present my factual uh study. The case is one of

(29:04):
them boy called Harry Potter. Um, can you stop laughing?
Because he is a proof that millennials are into witchcraft.
Witchcraft is not funny, Okay, based on the case study
of Harry Potter, it's incredible because also he's being like,

(29:26):
this story carries weight because it's so true and like, okay,
So your case study of how millennial women are behaving
is a book by baby boomer author Tom Wolfe in
two thousand four. Hey Ben, a couple of notes, What
is wrong with you? Some good fucking work. Yeah, it's incredible. Yeah,

(29:51):
he goes on. Wow, this goes on for like a
page and a half. Um, there are thousands of Charlotte
Simmons is in the porn generation. When you're surrounded by
couragement leading you to subjective morality, sexuality, and hedonism. When
you can't retreat to a safe haven. It's simply easier
to capitulate than to fight. Ha ha ha been yeah,
Um okay, so let's uh, let's let's let's see what

(30:15):
else this book has in it. What his wife does,
tries to have sex with her? Yeah, I mean it
capitulates a strong word. Just come on my stomach. Just
fucking just fine. That's what every woman loves. Been just
I'll read the World Street Journal. Just fucking do it.
M No, we have to take a two week break

(30:37):
because of how how dry it was. We both got
carpet burn um. Chapter two was titled fun with Bananas,
and it opens with a quote by Dr Laura Schleschinger.
Oh god, why yeah, Well, because he's been Shapiro here's
there's not a lot of how do you say, actual

(30:59):
sources in a conservative community. No, and again you've seen
his source. One of his major sources in chapter one
is a fictional book about a fictional girl. Um, it's
it's rad's mad because you were invited to her birthday party.
Ben was never invited to a birthday party. In public

(31:21):
school systems across the country, they're indoctrinating kids to be
sexual under the guise of protecting them when you know
that's not true. I think it is indoctrination for left
wing agendas. Great, Um, here's how it opens. The chapter
opens this has been now. I was nine years old
in fourth grade, says Katie acute, twenty two year old

(31:42):
suburban girl from the Northeast. She's a brilliant Harvard law
student and a relatively happy person. At her upper middle
class elementary school, she had her first brush with sex,
said porn Generation style. One day, they told us they
were going to teach us about family life. They didn't
separate us or anything. They said that people could engage
in oral, anal, and regular their sex, but didn't explain
what the terms meant. I can't remember any moral judgments

(32:04):
being made. They give us booklets with line drawings of
what happens is puberty progresses. They also told us that
sex can get you pregnant, that it can give you diseases.
There was a lot of focus on HIV. They said
the only way to be safe was abstinence. Then they
send all the girls to the nurse who told us
that if we bled, we weren't dying, and ended out
naxipads and Tampa. That's I wouldn't. I don't think that's

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perfectly reasonable. I actually think it's too much of a
focus on abstinence. But like that's very conservative. That's extremely
conservative sex set. Like, I mean, it's just a bunch
of it as facts. All of this is basically factual
what the issue is. Again, I think an unreasonable focus

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on abstinence, but that's not technically incorrect. Yeah, I mean
it is the only way not to get pregnant. Yeah,
I don't think that's a wise focus. But nothing from
studies that abstinence only education does not work. But all
the other things were just facts to a conservative that

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should be pretty inoffensive. Sex said, but obviously, and again
I like that he focused on like they didn't separate
the boys and the girls, which they did in my
sex said, by the way, and my sex said was
fucking useless anyway. Of course, he had to mention she's cute.
They're like, she's she's good looking, and this is important
because only good looking people agree with me. A total troll.

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I do love that it's both like Ben Shapiro, our
generation is too obsessed with sex, also been Shapiro. People
need to know if I thought this source was hot.
That's good journalism, fucking tool. It's incredible that he's supposedly
is bringing as an example of Oh, she doesn't like

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how sexualized the education was, and then he immediately sexualized
being like, she's cute as an actual journalist who's written
for actual publications not owned by friends of my father. Um,
I want to note that student Katie doesn't like. The
most common piece of editorial advice or editorial question you

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get just like, but was this source hot? How would
you rank them? Usually in just parentheses you write like
a number, you know, just like between a one and
a ten, because people need to know. Notes. When I've
looked at your journalistic efforts, I always just redline everything
and I say hot or not. In the Martins, Yeah,
as I talked to the mother of the dead boy,

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she's a solid seven. The child regrettably was a three
r I p uh god. So um, here's how this continues.
Katie's parents were given the option to opt out of
this explicit instruction for their nine year old, but they didn't.

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In fact, no one opted out in fourth grade and
only one person opted out in the following year. Yars
of Sex said According to Katie, she got sex said
nine times over every year from fourth to twelfth grade.
The classes were co ed all the way through. In
seventh grade, there were showing condoms. We made balloons out
of them. They had a goody box full of birth
control implements, condoms, diaphragms. Man, my school had none of that,
and we had a bunch of teen pregnancies in seventh grade.

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Someone said that their friends in eighth grade were already
having sex, but that wasn't common. If I had to guess,
I'd say that by the end of high school, about
fifteen percent of the kids in the class were having sex,
and they were all the popular kids. But I was
in the advanced class where no one was really doing anything.
Sounds pretty low. Actually, it sounds like maybe all that
sex said lead to kids being less sexually active than

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I don't know, your parents generation were been helloo. But also,
where's that fifteen percent coming? She doesn't know? No, Like,
it's just Katie. She's some who fox in her grade.
She's someone been Shapiro likes. So no one who has
ever had sex is willing to talk to her. He
also clearly made her up fuckable. College also she does

(36:04):
not exist. Also fits it's a fake person. Yeah no, wait,
even come up with any details that would make it
seem like she was real. Oh, actually, never mind, this
takes a turn. We may have been unfair to Katie,
although I still have questions. Katie believes that sex said

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is a good thing for kids to hear. The disease
and pregnancy stuff was good because it scared people off.
They realized there were consequences to sex. There should be
education about it so that there are less half truths
and complete lives floating around, and people can make an
informed decision because sooner or later they will do it.
This is italicized by Ben because I don't think she's
spoken italics. And the more info they have, the better

(36:44):
they are equipped to determine when they will do it.
She also believes that parental inactivity makes taxpayer funded sex
education more vital, citing her own parents as an example.
My parents wouldn't have talked to me about this if
I hadn't had sex in in school. By now at
our house, if they start something, it's like, chill, I'm
not fifteen anymore. Katie isn't a virgin. This has been
now and she isn't ashamed of it. She became sexually

(37:07):
active at age nineteen and has had three sexual partners.
There's nothing wrong with premarital sex, she tells me. I
got over that idea. I feel I can make rational
decisions armed with what I learned in nine years of
the same class. Repeating sex is appropriate when the person
is mentally ready to have sex, and with it's not
a result of the pressure to fit in, and when
she's mature enough to not have any regrets. Still, Katie

(37:28):
doesn't want her parents to know more about her sexual
history because they still think it's wrong, and I don't
want to open that can of worms. For that reason,
her name has been changed to protect her privacy. Katie
isn't above average girl and would be considered in this
day and age as sexually well adjusted citizen. Her views
on sex education and section general are shared by many
of her peers. Premarital sex isn't seen as wrong as

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long as you're ready for it, and sex education is
supposed to prepare you for it. With this kind of logic,
it's not hard to see why kids are being sexualized
at younger and younger ages. The younger the kids are
when sex, said against the more they know at a
younger age. The more they know, the more prepared they are.
The more prepared they are, the more societal approval they
were received when they try to have sex, and societal
approval means societal encouragement. She didn't have sex until she

(38:11):
was nineteen. That's not early been, it's it's a perfectly
reasonable age to lose your virginia. He's making the opposite
point the entire time. She's very reasonable. Everything she's saying
is true and fine. It sounds like she's happy and
didn't have sex before, she was ready for everything. Fine,

(38:32):
then she went to Harvard. She's brilliant, she's clearly doing lunch.
And then at the very end he's like, but tragically
Katie died, Like what do you what's left? Turn? And
he's literally say, because of all the sex said Katie received,

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She waited until she was nineteen and had sex responsibly
and is a happy, successful young person, So we shouldn't
get get a sex said, because they fuck younger, like
we might wind up like Katie in Harvard, she said,
I took sex, said for nine years, and now I
am in Harvard, and I have made responsible and happy

(39:16):
choices about my sex life. And he's like, I'm going
to write a book so people can know the horror
of what you've gone through, Katie. Yeah, it's it's fucking incredible. Um.
He goes on to say the truth is that knowledge
and information aren't cure alls. In fact, they can do
serious damage to children. Wow, that is conservatism in a nutshell.

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Knowledge and information are dangerous for children. Don't give them that,
Like does he not even remember the more you know?
Like NBC, God, it's like not even controversial to think
that knowing more things is good. So fucking tool back,
He's such a tool And I do I think we
should apologize to Katie the fact that he the way

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he was leading this was I expected her to be
like my generation wound up, sucked up because of all this. Like, No,
she's seems like a very healthy person. Katie is great,
and she she seems radly agreed to talk to Ben
Shapiro because she's like, this loser needs to fucking talk
to a woman. Yeah, maybe this will help him be
less miserable. Coulter. You know, it's very funny. Also, like

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the fact that she's had three sexual partners, been clearly
considered scandalous, even though she's probably in her early twenties. Um,
it's a pretty normal number. Um, even maybe good. Yeah,
are you kidding me? Oh god? Um? You know who
else fucks constantly? And I just mean knee deep in

(40:46):
steaming genitalia. Oh I know the answer to this. The
purchasers of the upcoming goods and services. Well, yeah, the
them and the ads just constantly fucking, both our advertisers
and the people who buy it from them, boning NonStop.
The whole sea of jism one whole, two, whole, three, whole, four,

(41:11):
whole get it. Yeah, there's no such thing as too
many holes when you're listening to these ads. Ah, we're back.
It is incredible how barely we have scratched the surface
of the wrongness of this book, because all of it
is just profoundly fucking wrong. Um. So Ben Shapiro has

(41:36):
just dropped the visis statement of American conservatism, which is
that knowledge and information are dangerous to children. Um. What
supporters of the full frontal version of sex said don't
understand is that knowledge is power, and only when the
person armed with the knowledge is capable of making a
fully rational and informed decision. Wait, what knowledge is power

(41:57):
only when the person armed with the knowledge is capable
of making a fully rash and informed decision. What helps
people make rational informed decisions? Been? Is it knowledge? Children
are not capable of such a rational decision. I guess
you could say Katie didn't fun till she was nineteen.
So what are you talking about? The Clearly children are
capable of understanding a lot. It sounds like she waited

(42:17):
until she was an adult. Um and and ready, Uh,
it's just everything. Ben says, it's wrong, it's incredible. Um
ka heim Nowitz, author of Ready or Not What Happens
when we treat children as small adults, argues that anti culturalists,
people who believe that childhood sexuality left on its own,
free of social interference, will flourish and grow in healthy ways,

(42:41):
have overestimated the choosing power of children trained of all
feeling but physical pleasure rationalized into fine power of children. Yeah,
it's just book from J. K. Rowling that teaches you
that it's not okay to be you. It's not okay
to be you. Knowledge is bad. Children can't be trusted
with knowledge because they're not rational, and they can't be

(43:04):
rational until they're informed, but don't inform them of things. UM.
It's awesome. Um, it's just awesome in its wrongness. And
I wish, you know, we I was kind of thinking
this would be a one off and we would just
get through this everything. It's so fascinatingly wrong, Sophia and

(43:25):
so many it's too insane. There's no way, there's no
way this is a one partner. No, no, we have
to continue this for today. I want to just give
everyone an overview of the rest of this book. So
Chapter three Campus Carnality, Loser. What a fucking loser? College

(43:47):
life for the porn generation is the social liberals dream? Incredible?
That's the opening sentences inte Ben to a party, So
you can stop being such a fucking toolbag. Chapter four
Pop Tarts that you're wondering what that is a reference to.
It starts with official recipe for pop stardom. Start with

(44:08):
a cute pubescent tend to twelve year old girl again
creepy time to include cute. Next step two to three
years virginal, wholesome, faux innocent play acting Disney Channel brand
highly recommended. Two years ambiguous, semi pedophilic, convorting, two years
sexual discovery, dirty dancing, ex rated lyrics, and or promiscuity

(44:29):
for extra sales. Just at a smattering of bisexuality. Voila,
you've transformed yourself into a platinum record artist. Keep it
up for twenty years and you might even win a
Madonna Award for profit driven slettiness. Jesus Christ, I like
that adding bisexuality increases your market value, because I have

(44:51):
not found that that's worked out for me. Robert um
that increased your market value? Let me know. Yeah, no, no,
I don't think it has. As chapter five where pimps
and hose run free, I'm sure this is going to
be the one where he talks about hip hop. I
was gonna say this is fucking definitely throwing rocks at wrap. Yeah,
oh god yeah. Chapter six teeny boppers. Okay your seven.

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Didn't you already talk about the pre professing girls? That
was pop stars? I think Chapter seven aber Crappie and Bitch.
It opens with him yelling about Janet Jackson at the
Super Bowl. Grade Chapter eight TV versus Virginity, Chapter nine

(45:39):
Porn and Pop Joe versus the Volgano. Yeah, I think
it is exactly. It's actually just word for word the
script of that of that actually pretty good and kind
of anti capitalist film. Chapter ten, The Lotion Picture Industry,
God damn it. Chapter eleven Taking a stand, Oh god oh.

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Chapter twelve is a roundtable discussion with Michelle, Malcolm, Rod Drere,
and father John C. McCluskey from Opus Day. I don't know, wow, wow, Oh, Sophia.
We're gonna have fun with this in the months to come.
I can tell you that right now, what a delicious

(46:22):
turn of events. Speaking of coming, you know what Ben
Shapiro has never done in his life? Please a woman? Yeah? Yeah?
Anybody really, Um, anybody, Sofia, This is all the time
we have for today. Um, you wanna, you wanna, you wanna,
you know, do your plugs with stuff. With the plugs

(46:46):
and the things. You can find me on Twitter and
Instagram at the Sophia so f I y A. And
you can listen to my podcast about love and sex
called Private Parts Unknown, where it's hosted by me and
Pertney Kosak and we definitely fuck. And then the other
podcast I co host is with Miles Gray and it's

(47:09):
called where We Get high and talk about It's real fun. Well, um,
check that out. I am returning Ben Shapiro's book Porn
Generation for offensive content until next time. Um Sophia, thank
you for this and thank you all for listening. Until

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next time. Remember, don't ever fuck, and knowledge is deadly.
I don't know what your books, burn your books. Christ