Covid Vaccine Grifting "Doctors"

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topic that has no implications on public health and trust

(01:06):
in how we view pandemics going forward. We're talking about
going these days? Is it good? That's good? Funny? Funny?
You mentioned that um as as we're recording this. The
delta variant is the is the dominant strain of COVID
here in the States, and pretty much pretty pretty pretty
much everywhere else too. Um, it's much much more contagious. UM.

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And with with many of the COVID preventative restrictions being
removed across the country, cases are on a rapid rise
basically everywhere. Um. It's not like we're there's some places
that are going to have to put restrictions back in place. Um,
and you know, start making the mascumnates again. UM. Because yeah,
the variant this has about eighty three percent of cases

(01:51):
in the States that are diagnosed is for the delta
variant UM. And it does have so called breakthrough infections
in some vaccinated people to say with asymptomatic or very
mild cases. UM. I think there's been about five thousand
deaths of people who are vaccinated who with the with
with a delta variant. UM. So yeah, let's see. But

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but more than of people hospitalized for COVID are unvaccinated
at the moment, so like it's still like it's yeah,
like you need to get vaccinated, like the most almost
all people who are going to the hospital for COVID
are are unvaccinated. UM. But the the the brakes for
infractions for for vaccinated people, combined with the lack of

(02:33):
masks and an increase in indoor socialization. Also racist possibility
that vaccinated people can carry and transmit variants to other people,
including you know, other unvaccinated people, which which you know
includes children and people with immune issues that prevent them
from getting the vaccine, not not just anti vaxxers. Um.
So all all of that plus school opening back up

(02:55):
in in person for in August and September. But I
can't get said Garrison. Yeah, I know, um Marjorie Taylor Green,
which I don't want to talk about because like the
reason why, the reason why she she's a problem is
because we talk about her. Um. But she she yesterday
she had like a very bad interview of her go
viral and she laughed about she like some ask your
question about like kids dying and she laughed it off.

(03:15):
And like just earlier that week, a five year old
in her own district died of covid um. Yeah. So yeah,
and it's funny. The funny thing. Funny is the wrong word.
The existentially soul destroying thing, the black pilling thing is that,
like there's so many liberals who pointed that out on
Twitter as if it matters exactly if that will ever

(03:38):
matter again, And there's there's there's no gotchas. If anything,
it makes it makes it worse for us the more
we do that in a lot of ways. Yeah, they're
all still living in this world where like John Stewart
can own Tucker Carlson on televised debate and it it
has an impact, and and and and Robert. Look look

(03:59):
how well that turned out for Tucker Carlson. Yeah, it
didn't deal with Tucker Carlson. Maybe maybe debating and owning
people has never solved a single problem in the history
of of the world. Hans Lytton owned Hitler pretty bad
in a nineteam what was it, thirty one? I think,
uh didn't didn't end up doing the trick. Never does,

(04:20):
never will stop talking to people. Yeah, so at this
moment right now, we're not doing too great in terms
of public health and like trust in public health either,
you know, for a lot of reasons, um but but thankfully,
in harsh times like this, we have a select few
people who who rise to the challenge to to inform
the public by grifting off a public health crisis to

(04:40):
pedal snake oil products and further their career by being
a beacon of disinformation. Today we're talking about covid anti
vaccine grifters. Um we'll we'll be will be starting off
with more of like of of a classic like health
and wellness grifter and then move on to someone who's
then then then move on to someone who's more dangerous
but who motives are a little bit a little bit

(05:01):
less clear. Early on in the pandemic we covered people
like one of the Paltrow who was like things like that.
We're gonna talking about one person who's doing you know,
some some stuff, some stuff like that got it. So
the first person we're discussing in the vein of like
that type of health and wellness kind of grifter is
named Julie Mazzi of well now, I guess kind of

(05:25):
former um natural pathic doctor who practiced in Napa, California. Garrison,
are you about to tell me this lady got kicked
out of being a natural path because that's like, to
go back to the last episode we record, that's like
getting kicked out of action park for being too drunk.
Um kind of, it's more like it's gonna be hard
to practice from jail. Okay, No, but nothing, I just

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as long as my opinion of natural Pappy doesn't have
to change, you know, it doesn't have to change. Doctor
Doctor Trulie Vezi is at old, according to her website,
is a licensed primary care doctor whose aim and passion

(06:09):
is to empower her clients to heal. She believes it
in hold deep perspect for everyone's innate ability to discover
and find a path for their own well being. The
question has the word empower ever been used in a
situation in which it was not like fundamentally toxic in
life threatening? Has anyone used the word empower and not
been endangering the people they were empowering. Has that happened

(06:32):
a single time? No, that's that's a good question of it,
And in this case probably probably not. This this one
she she's on this show, which means she's she she is,
she has made it. If somebody says they want to
empower you, legally, if it's a stand your ground state,
you can start shooting at them. Legally you can. I
think I'm fairly certain I'm going to empower you with

(06:54):
this knowledge, So defend yourself. Doctor Mazzi received a doctorate
in naturopathic medicine from the National University of Natural medicine
in Wait, guess guess what city, Robert. Uh, it's not Mexico,
because you said city city, that's what city it's It's

(07:22):
because if you look up, if you do a fun
I'm gonna make sure you get the Google right. Um,
if you google, I think vaccine hesitancy map. Uh, and
you can find I believe that's the term you'll need
to use. Yeah, yeah, you can get vaccine hesitancy map
of the United States. Uh. Portland, Oregon shines real bright

(07:43):
on that particular. And the place where she got her
degree from has like specialized doctors who give like like
vaccine hesitancy plans um. Yeah, and that could vary from
like people who are like, you should get vaccinate your kids,
but you get a space out there mmrsh goats to
three separate ones, which is what wakefields. An initial grift
was yes to obviously the whole all vaccines. You're trying

(08:06):
to microship murder your baby's Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, so
she got her doctor important organ. I believe she was
born here um as well um at. At a very
early age, Dr massif Quo felt the call to be
a healer and teacher. Her spirit of investigation came alive
when she discovered her strong connection to the plant world.

(08:28):
Fascinated by nutrition and medical and the medical properties of
food and herbs, she experimented with various diets and searched
for exotic fruits and vegetables and herbs to discover their
effects for herself. Throughout her life, she experienced many different
healing healing foods so that she may honestly refer her patients,
uh that because she knows and understands from her own
experience what these herbs do. So here's the thing for

(08:53):
a lot of people like myself included in the States. Um,
we the health system. We kind of think the health
system sucks right, like it does. It's like there's a
lot of elements. I have some specific doctors, I have
nice things to say about. I have nothing nice to
say about our medicals. Yeah. Like yeah, like the modern
modern medicine by and large, especially in the States, it sucks.

(09:14):
It's hard to navigate. I'm not talking about like the
e er itself or whatever is. Again, as a general rule,
people who are doing emergency medical work are ran, but
the system itself that that that organizes and operates. I
have very little positive to say about it specifically, Like
you know, we'll be talking about a lot about like
pharmaceuticals this episode. You know, people are prescribed a lot
of things that don't necessarily help them and end up

(09:36):
hurting them. Um. So like and I kind of get
the drive to search for more like historical and like natural,
like natural because plants rock. Plants like plants. Women. Dude
who keeps pounds of planting yarrow comfree um and a
bunch of other like dried plants, Like I grows some
of that ship. I make my own stabs and tinctures
and whatnot. Like yeah, like many some of it does

(09:57):
stuff and you can generally find like stuf these. Again,
one of the things, like Dr Kava, who's a friend
of both of ours, point is like there's no such
thing as alternative medicine. If it's a plant based medicine
that does something, it's just medicine. Like you can look
up medical benefits of like um comfort your yarrow for
wound treatment or whatever, and like there's studies on it.
It's not anyway I've got on this ramp before. Yeah,

(10:19):
but like like that's not what we're talking about with
Dr Mazzi here. Uh, this is this is different because
you know, as we'll see, she's someone who is like
knowingly an actively you know, charging people for false cures
and doing active harm as people's lives in danger so
that she can make a buck. UM. There's some other
interesting info from her site. UM quote Drum comes from

(10:39):
a family of notable, notable educators. Her her grandfather, Stephen E. Elper,
founded both Portland State University and uh Olon College. So
like PPSC was actually is like a is a pretty
pretty big, pretty big deal in Portland. UM. It's one
of the one of the biggest universities in the state UM,
which is like an actual regular university. UM. Her grandmother

(11:01):
was a high school teacher for many years, and her
mother taught kindergarten for forty years, and her father was
a college professor. So she comes from like a family
of like of of doctors and educators. UM that they're
real proud. I mean, so does Wakefield though his parents
are both like very well regarded doctors or so. Dr

(11:21):
Masi claims that she shares her family's passion to educate
coach when someone has knowledge and understanding of their health
problem and the array of hall of of holistic and
non toxic therapies that are available to them. That patient
is now at the helm of their own healing um
and and there she she actually, you know, the sex
part has has some more sinister implications for how she

(11:42):
was able to market herself um and her business was
with such effective propaganda UM because before embarking on her
naturopathic studies, Dr Masi orned in undergraduate's degree and master's
degree in Communication studies UM. So like she knows how
to do marketing, like she got a master's degree um
at at at Portland State UM University. So she she

(12:03):
knows how to how to how to how to market
people and sell herself UM quote from her website. Her
skills and training interpersonal communication define her signature approach, which
is to use the power of compassionate inquiry to guide
each patient to value their own understanding and help discover
what their best choices are for healing. So she she

(12:24):
basically mar market markets herself as like an alternative to
general to to like a general care provider that will
help you treat everything from arthritis, allergies, infections all the
way to like autoimmune disorders a d h D and cancer.
This is all the things she advertises on her website
that her like naturopathic remedies can help can help you know,
treat um and naturally. The past few months she's been

(12:46):
offering so called treatment and immunization for COVID nineteen UM.
Part of how dr Amzi makes money is through homeopathic medications.
The fancy name is homeo pro facsialists immunization. I probably
said that perfect prophylaxis immunization, homeo homeo prophylaxis. Yeah, because

(13:10):
like a prophylaxis, like a condoms of prophylaxis. It's a
preventative treatment of some sorts. Yeah, this is a preventive
treatment done with homeo homeopathic. It's nonsense. It's drinking water
to cure your coaches. It's it's it's drinking water. Yeah.
So like the modern the modern origins come from eighteenth
century Germany. Homeopathy is by and large a debunked pseudoscience
that claims no highly deluded substances um, including including effectants themselves,

(13:34):
can cure diseases, and that the most ard on a
homeopathy that it includes two important facts, one of which
is that most homeopathic medicines have no measurable amount of
the medicine they're supposed to have, and at the one
time they did it killed a bunch of babies, killed
a bunch of babies or some ship. Yeah yeah it was.
It was deadly deadly night shade, deadly night shade from Highlands,

(13:56):
all natural baby killing pills. Yeah so yeah so. But
like you know, they believe the more substances deluded, the
stronger the disease curing power is. You know, so most
of these treatments are so deluted the base substances cannot
even be detected, which isn't you know a problem for
homeopaths since they actually claim that when even if you
can't detect it, um, the water molecules that you're consuming
can actually remember what the base the base substance is

(14:19):
that they've encountered and act the same in your body. Um.
You know. The treatments are you know, usually just placebos
or or harmless because they're nothing. But you know, if
they're improperly deluded, they could be deadly. In the case
of the homeopathic teething products which contained deadly nightshade, which
killed like ten ten babies and caused like hundreds and
hundreds of serious serious um illnesses. So yeah, so in

(14:45):
in in Dr Momsey's case, she would sell immunization pellets
that allegedly contained tiny amounts of various diseases that the
body could then naturally built up an immunity to. So like,
it's the same thing with all these like grifts. It's
like you're just inventing a bad version of vaccines or like, yeah,
if you give it a little bit of the thing,
then your body can learn how to fight it. But
it's like, but it's the bullshit version that it's just

(15:06):
completely nonsense. Um. And she provides many of these homeopathic
immunizations to children, which she then also falsey claims satisfy
the vaccine requirements for California schools. So she gives out
her patients like false papers saying that they've been immunized
for these things by giving them these pellets so that
they can still attend schools even if they're not vaccinated.

(15:27):
So that's kind of the specific gripp that she was
doing before covid UM. And then when covid started, she
you know and specifically like when the vaccine stuff started
gaining popularity, um, she switched to a lot of a
lot of focus on COVID and these COVID pellets. So
it's unclear how long she's been selling these COVID immunization pellets,

(15:48):
but it seems like they really started to take off
around January when the vaccines were starting to get released
to the general public, as she was offering these as
a naturopathic alternative. It's a good thing. I mean, well,
we need to do an episode one of these days
on like the actual because there's a whole the reason
that this is. I mean, it sounds like she did
get in trouble, but the reason why most people do

(16:09):
versions of this don't and the reason why she got
away with it for as long is there is a
whole legal framework set up to allow people to do this,
and it's heavily embedded, particularly with the Utah Republican Party.
UM Like it's a big it's it's all centered around Utah,
as is the team treatment industry for a lot of
a number of reasons. But it's like it's the same
reason why um UM, that company we covered that does

(16:32):
essential oils and stuff, was able to get away with
so much bullshit, Like there's this whole legal infrastructure set
up to allow people to sell folks medicine that isn't medicine.
Uh and then protect them from liability when those people die. UH.
And it's hugely embedded and specifically the Republican Party. UM.

(16:53):
And there are a Democratic Party. Uh, it doesn't do
anything about it because the Democratic Party, why would they
do anything at anything? In any way here we are,
it's been brewing for decades and in UH in April,
someone whose family members had gotten these COVID immunization pellets
from from Dr Mazzie tipped off the Department of Health

(17:14):
and Human Services Office for the for the Inspector General
to what was happening. And and this this prompted a
federal and state investigation into the Dr Massey's operations. UM.
This is now quoting a recent DJ report quote. Mazzi
used the covidteen pandemic to expand the pre existing immunization
scheme by selling immunization pellets that she fraudulently claimed in

(17:37):
written documents and in consensually monitored recordings would provide lifelong
immunity to COVID nineteen. Mazie explained that the pellets contained
quote a very minute amount of this COVID disease unquote
that can result in quote infectious symptoms with COVID nineteen
or automatically flag the immune system's attention inducing immunity. So

(18:00):
she's selling. The fun thing about this is she's telling
people don't get the vaccine, it's dangerous, and then saying
and then pretending her nonsense medicine works the way of
vaccine actually works exactly. That's exactly incredible quote to encourage
to encourage customers to purchase the pellets, as the allegedly
exploited disinformation and fear of by falsely claiming the FDA

(18:23):
authorized COVID vaccines contained quote toxic ingredients. Um mass. He
further say that to her customers, if you could provide
these pelts to children for covidentine immunization, and that quote
the dose is actually the same for babies, so that's nice. Um. Yeah.
As a general rule, if someone says the dose is
the same for babies, that should be a red flag.

(18:45):
It never is. Yeah, no, it should have. It shouldn't
be that they're very small. Yeah. I mean like if
my coke dealer was like and could given it to
your baby the dose is the same, I would not
find a different coke dealer because it's hard. I mean,
my god, um but I would probably not hang out
with him as much anyway, Sophie, trying to keep you employed. Well,

(19:10):
there's no law against cocaine. It is decriminalized where you live.
Thank you, Grison. It's fine that um in in a.
In a recorded phone call, uh Mozzi instructed a fake
client to quote pour roughly two to four pellets from
the cap and dump them under your tongue. You do

(19:31):
not have to drive yourself and say you're trying to
pour exactly at four pellets exactly re pelts. It doesn't
really matter. I mean, it's like, I mean, it's like
the real medicine, the doses whatever. That is my favorite
thing about the way California used to work is you
would get a prescription for pot and it would just
be a prescription for as much marijuana as you could carry.

(19:52):
So like, whatever your problem was, if pot was prescribed,
the dose was whatever. She said. She said, I mean,
it's like an energy medicine. So more pellets doesn't mean
stronger necessarily. Okay, that makes sense, perfect sets yea. When
asked what was in the pellets, Massey replied this, is

(20:13):
from the COVID nineteen. It's made from this disease particles
themselves getting her COVID. I do not know what the
exact processes that this COVID n As long as they
could extract the germs from the virus, they could make
the remedy. With this method, we're tapping into what's known
as the innate immune system. That's like a higher intelligence

(20:33):
part of the immune system. I have got no idea
where she's getting these pellets. No one the FEDS don't
clarify where she's getting these. We have but the perfect
way to frame it, because all these idiots already believe
in like the you're only used ten percent if you're
bringing you your innate intelligence, your instincts no more than
like you know, book learning can never like. So, yeah,

(20:54):
I get why this works. So do you know who
doesn't sell COVID nineteen pellets? Uh? I mean we ought to.
We could, We could, we could. She made a lot
of money. We could too, Sophie, we're getting into the
COVID nineteen pellet business. We are not. Yeah, we're selling pellets.

(21:15):
Go back to talking about your cocaine dealer. I liked
that better. May less money, I will send you pellets
and I will use it to buy cocaine. There we go.
All right, we're back. We are, we are indeed back,

(21:36):
and I'm online trying to order disease particle pellets. See
see how much I can sell them for in the street.
It's it's a pellets. Hey kid, Hey kid, want some
want some COVID pellets. I don't know the exact process
for it, but as long as they extract the terms,
it works. But the virus and them eat it, eat
it all. I think, as many as you want life

(22:01):
immunity and might make you sick, But that's fine. That
just means it's working. Back to the ta shape report
of quote. Mazzi also provided CDC COVID nineteen vaccination record
cards to her customers with instructions on how to fraudulently
complete the cards to false to falsely make it appear

(22:23):
as if a customer had received two doses of the
Maderna vaccine. As a part of her scheme, Mons provided
customers with specific NAPA California Maderna vaccine lot numbers to
enter onto the cards of instructions on how to select
the proparted dates on which they had received the Maderna
vaccines to evade suspicion. UM. The CDC confirmed to federal
investigators that that actual Maderna lot numbers were used. UM.

(22:47):
But the CDC in the California Health Department have no
don't know how Mazzy got them because like she's not
authorized to distribute or give out vaccines. It's like they
don't know where she got these numbers from. I mean,
she probably knows someone who told her or something, but
like it's it's kind of unclear what exactly happened for
how she got these cards and how she got these numbers. UM. Yeah,

(23:08):
so the original tipster who who tipped off the feds
um got a dose of these pellets over the phone
from Mazzi for for like a single dose of them.
Doses were unclear, howny pelts that is, but you know,
a dose for two hundred and forty three dollars UM. Now,
we don't know how many people purchased immediately these COVID

(23:29):
immunization pellets from from mazim. According to financial records federal
investigators obtained from Square just like a digital payment processing company. UM,
Mazie received approximately two hundred and twenty one thousand dollars
from over a thousand transactions between January UM and UH
and UH and May one UM. Most most of those

(23:53):
transaction records do not note specifically what the payments were
for UM. At least twenty five of them that total
to be like almost eight grand are indicated to be
for COVID treatment and thirty four other transactions are noted
for being for homeopathic treatment. And you know this these
like these like pellets related purchases UM. On July Julie

(24:19):
Mazzy was arrested and she's been charged with one count
of wire fraud and a one count of making false
statements related to public care matters. She's the first person
to face federal charges related to allegedly selling fake vaccines
and cards U. She could face up to twenty years
in prison, and she's she is facing a hundred thousand
dollars in in fins at the moment um. But the

(24:41):
thing is, like there's a lot more doctors who are
doing the exact same thing. This is this is this
is just the first one to get like caught and
in trouble like this. This isn't this isn't an uncommon thing.
You can find this basically every city, like every major
American city, you can find someone doing this exact thing. Um,
and it like and the don't even have to be doctors.
Like back in May, um in owner of a bar

(25:03):
got arrested on state charges for faking and selling vaccination cards.
Quoting the New York Times quote, a California bar owner
was arrested this week on charges that he had sold
fake COVID nineteen vaccination cards at his business. Prosecutors say
the owner, Todd Anderson of at Campo, California, uh Well,

(25:24):
was arrested and charged with identity fact forging government documents
and falsifying medical records, and having an unloaded registered firearm. UM.
The COVID vaccine bar scam was also found out by
someone tipping off the California Alcohol Beverage Board. Um. So yeah,
like this, this, this this thing has happened. We're getting

(25:45):
like new stories about people selling spake cards every month.
Of course you can find a lot of these on
eBay and stuff. Those are hard harder to kind of
crack down on. Um. But yeah, like this this isn't
a super uncommon thing. Um, But like as bad as
people like Dr Marz r East. Their damage is relatively
isolated now, Like she had over twelve thousand followers on Facebook,

(26:05):
but she wasn't trying to become like a social media
figure or anything. She didn't even really she didn't even
like she didn't even like talk about covid or or
her homeopathic like pellets um on her page. Because you know,
she knew she was doing crimes. Um. But it's like
she didn't talk about that kind of stuff. UM. Not
the same case for the next guy we are talking about. Um,

(26:26):
the next guy we're talking about is Dr Michael le Yedon.
UM My my, my, my, My old parkoer friend actually
told me about this guy. And for the past few
months we u for the past that the past month,
we've been kind of like trying to take as much
information up about this guy as possible because he has
a weird thing going on. UM. So, Dr Dr Michael

(26:48):
eden Um is commonly referred to as the former vice
president of FISER and the former chief science officer there.
Uh that that's that, that's what he's called in the media.
It's that's it's not it's not totally true, but it's
it's true enough that people can use that to be convincing.
Um and Uh. In the beginning of April, he started

(27:10):
his crusade against both COVID vaccines and like trying to
uncover the hidden truth about the pandemic in general. He's
like a slippery little bastard. Like his his intentions are
pretty muddy even after looking into him, you know a
lot for the past few weeks, like all of the
interviews he has going through his his like archives Twitter.
It's I don't know what exactly his grift is. I

(27:33):
I don't know if he's like a true believer in
what he's saying or he's just trying to like find
a new a thing to make money. It's he's he's
like a super weird dude. Um. But the one thing
that's clear is at last April, something changed in in
in in needed like he became like a different person.
Um A little Yeah, it's like something happened which either

(27:58):
caused him to snap or he saw financial you know
prospect um. So the first a little background on En himself. Um,
he's he's currently married and he has two adult children. Um.
And he's he's talked openly about having a tough childhood.
He said his his His mother committed suicide when he
was only eighteen months old, and his father, who was

(28:18):
also a doctor, abandoned him when he was sixteen. Um.
He was saved by a local social worker and adopted
by a Jewish family, UM who apparently, like he says, like,
turned his life around. Um. In the in the in
the in the eighties, was a student at the University
of Sir Surrey. So that's a place in the in

(28:41):
the England part of the world. Um. So he was there.
He got a bachelor's in biochemistry. Part of the world. Yeah,
and like like that section on the other side part
of the world where it is it's it's it's in
a town called Guildford or something probably perhaps completely different
than that. But the British it sounds it sounds it

(29:02):
sounds fake. Um. Yeah. But so yeah, no, we never
apologize to British people. I apologize to in her hand,
well I do not, No, yeah, absolutely not. Um. He
received a bachelors in biochemistry and toxicology in nineteen eighty
five and he got a PhD in pharmacology in UM.

(29:26):
During his time at the university, he was researching opioids
and how they affect the central nervous system UM. After graduating,
he worked at a drug and allergenic research lab in
the UK for a few years, and then in he
began working for FISER UK UM and by two US
in six he did become the chief Science Officer and
Vice president of the Allergy and Respiratory R and D department.

(29:49):
So not not FISER as a whole, this specific small department.
But that doesn't really matter because when you talk about this,
like in media, you can just stay the former VP
of FISER and then you're like, oh, wow, the former
vice president is saying that vaccines are killing people. We
should listen to him, Which you mean he didn't. He
he was working. The unit he worked on was developing

(30:09):
drugs to treat asthma UM and like respiratory obstructions. UM,
so he was he was like the head of the
allergy unit. Most of the reporting about Fightser and him,
UH say that he that he left in twos and
eleven is technically true, but I think paints a slightly
different distorted picture. Um. There was a there was There
was an old Forbes article written by one of his

(30:31):
former friends back in seen that talks about the talk
about Ian and his his his breakoff from Visor. Quote
Dr Michael Ian, the seventeen year old Fighter veteran and
Viser's R and D and and and head of Viser's
R and D unit for the allergy section in Sandwich, England.
Okay again not a real place, Sandwich, England. No, they're

(30:55):
fucking with us, with us anyway. So Mike was told
in the fall of tow Us in ten that Fightser
was closing the allergy and respiratory disease program and his
own role as the chief science officer of the group
was being eliminated. Rather than see complement elsewhere, Mike had
other ideas, so he didn't like leave Fightser. His whole
branch got dissolved, and he like he his his his

(31:17):
job got eliminated. Um And instead of trying to find
new work at Fighter, he had the idea to start
his own research company. Um. After talking, after talking to
some of the higher ups at FISER, he got permission
to license like Fightser compounds, like like you know, like
the actual chemicals they use and like and you know,
molecules and stuff. Um. So and eventually he found some

(31:38):
investors in the US and he actually got he actually
got the fightser investing board to also invest in in
his in his new company, so he eventually got enough
capital to get started. UM. Quoting Forbes again at this point,
the virtual company known as z r Co. They all
they picked the worst names for these biotech companies. It's

(31:58):
they're all absolutely non sundse um. But the company now
known as z r Co was often running. The team
focused on its most promising asset, the z p L
three eight nine and orally active histamine that is used
to treat egema. So he worked. So, Uh, this guy

(32:19):
started this company that was working on exema medications for
a few years UM. And then in twent five years
after he started the company, the Switzerland based pharmaceutical company
No voratis. Again, we're terrible names. Um. Yeah, like there
they're they're they're actually pretty big. But I just don't

(32:41):
know how to say biotech company names because their nonsense. Um.
But they they bought Eden's company for an upfront payment
of three hundred and twenty five million dollars UM, and
they promised to pay another million dollars if certain milestones
in the drug treatments were achieved. Uh. They were counting
on the anti of a drug to be a hit,

(33:03):
and they claimed it had the potential to be like
a new first class oral treatment to moderate to severe
or exema. Now it's unclear how much money even himself
made from the acquisition, um, but in January he tweeted
that he made like millions off of off of the
off of the founding and growing of this tech company.
Which which is which is true? Like he made a

(33:24):
lot of money. He didn't. He probably didn't keep all
three hundred million, but he got a sizeable fortune. Um.
Then Uh. Actually in last July, uh, no varata whatever? Uh,
the novartist novartists disclosed that Internet you know it's bad
when I'm correcting your pronunciation. Look, I don't know how.

(33:47):
It's a Switzerland based biotech company. That's there's too many
languages and too many nonsense for me for me to
fairly certain. We hired you, we asked do you speak Switzerland?
And you said yeah, that was the first and only
question we asked. But last last July, the company disclosed
that it had discontinued the the experimental m Egizma clinical

(34:12):
development program and had had had to had to take
an almost five million dollar right down on it. Um.
They said the spokesperson for the company said that they
decided to terminate the program after disappointing efficiency data in
the early stage clinical trials. So they bought this company
and hope that the strug would be the next big thing.
Turns out the drug doesn't work, um and you didn't

(34:32):
got tons of money out of the deal, so he wins,
no one else does. Um And Also while he was
doing his own work at at his company, he also
was working as a consultant for a few different but
for a few different US based biotech companies. UM And
he hasn't really been up to much since he sold
his company. He said he had to like partially retire

(34:54):
due to medical issues. But also that was just that
was a year after he made tons of money selling
his company, so he could just be like dunk, like
he's like in his fifties or sixties or whatever. It's
like he can just not work anymore because he has
probably hundreds, like at least a hundred million dollars, like
so much money, um which now leads us to the plague. UM.
During during the first few months of the pandemic, even

(35:15):
seemed like a normal doctor, like a normal guy with
no weird conspiracy theories. Um. In March, as the coronavirus
was raging on in the UK, he didn't would publicly
express the support for developing a vaccine. He tweeted out
that quote, covidnineteen is not going away until we have
a vaccine or heard immunity. All they can do right
now is slow it's spread a week Plannarch. He tweeted quote,

(35:37):
A vaccine might might be along towards the end of
one if we're really lucky. Um, you know someone on Twitter.
You replied to him saying that vaccine's harm many many people,
and even replied, Okay, please refuse it, but do not
repeat its flow or or or or or or try
to get others who want to get it to is
to not get it. Thanks. So it just seems like

(35:58):
a normal doctor man who's like, oh, yeah, vaccines work.
This pandemic is bad. We just need to stop. We
need to stop the spread right now. And that's it.
So like nothing, nothing of note. Someone named Mathi Manman
who is at the Google head of research and development
for divisions any names correctly, I think think that's correct,

(36:20):
and take exam. They felt they must smelt math Ai
and then mammon, which is mam than men. It's I
think it's Mattia Garrison, Jesus Christ Swiss culture. I can't. Yeah,
that probably is. Harrison probably doesn't know how to use
Excel either. He's just like I use I use Google sheets.

(36:42):
And you've never seen Wayne's world either. Yase Days anyway,
the head of research development for the Pharmacool pharmaceutical division
of Johnson Johnson posted a link on LinkedIn last year
um that his company had started the clinical trials of vaccine,
and Yiden responded, lovely, nice, nice to see this milestone.

(37:03):
So like again, normal normal doctor man, nothing, nothing weird.
And then April came and the u k's lockdown got extended.
And as soon as the lockdown got extended in April,
Eden sorted to drastically change his tone around the whole pandemic. Um.
He grew increasingly frustrated about the lockdown extension and began
ranting online about how lockdowns don't work and how how

(37:26):
the early stage and he began the early stages of
crafting his own conspiracy theories about about governmental control and
fake COVID testing. So something happened in August that either
broke him or he was he figured that he can
make money off this. I don't know which it is,
because he already had lots of money. Well, I mean,
you know, he's an older guy. Some people, you get,

(37:47):
you have little I've heard theories some men as they
age they have these little bity micro strokes that usually
aren't like noticed, you're diagnosed, and it leads to because
like a lot of guys have these weird personality shifts
they get past a certain age, and you know, I
don't know, maybe he's having a bunch of little bitty strokes,
is what I'm saying. Yeah, so Ruters put together pretty

(38:08):
good peace talking about how howiters. It's not it's it's
not ruters relly. Why did they spell like that then,
because it's pronounced reuters. She didn't grow up with the
TV on you never like listen to TV news, but

(38:32):
I learned. I learned spelling from Christian fascist protests. And
the AP is an app. It's not app. It's not
the app store. It's not the app store. That's a
different store. Just so you know that in Australia, a
router is actually somebody who who fox a lot. Yeah
it is. It's rot Ye and other fun Australia. Fact

(38:55):
they called drugs I think, particularly meth gear cool, which
I have always found cool, Like, I think that's pretty rad. Actually, yeah, anyway,
I can't there's no oh, there's no oh in the
word Reuters alight. Well yeah, but there's no I in
team and we still pronounce it tim. So what are

(39:17):
you gonna do? Yeah, well, so Reuters put together a
piece trying to like break down how Ye didn start
of changing his tone on certain things. Um uh. Quote,
when Britain was still in its first lockdown last spring,
he declared, quote there's nothing especially uh frightening about COVID nineteen.
It will all fade away. It's just a common garden

(39:39):
virus to which the world overreacted. I mean that was
a pretty common, you know, anti COVID sentiment at the time,
like oh, it's just like the cold. Um. And also
he predicted in a subsequent tweet that it was quote
unlikely that the death toll in the UK would reach
forty which, uh that that thing is almost much higher
than you here, almost quadrupled since then, that's told UK Okay, yeah, basically,

(40:12):
um yeah. So in April he started changing his tone
about things, and then by September, den statements were starting
to attract attention beyond just twitter um. At the time,
a movement had emerged in Britain against lockdowns and other
restrictions meant to curb the disease. He and he co
authored a lengthy piece on a website called Lockdown skeptics Um.

(40:34):
It declared that the pandemic as an event in the
UK was essentially complete and that there is quote no
biological principle that that leads us to expect a second wave.
Britain soon entered a much more deadly second wave about
like a week or two later. Yeah, yeah, feels I
think you shouldn't say are there won't be a second wave?
You know, this shift is unsinkable, that sort of stuff.

(40:56):
Avoid those statements. So, like, looking at his old tweets,
you see a man like purposely switching to bad faith,
or you see a man like radicalizing himself by constructing
false suppositions and then insisting that that's the way things
are and that everyone else's perceptions are wrong. Like here's
a tweet from like May quote there isn't gonna be
There isn't gonna be a second wave. Professional epithemiologists, as

(41:18):
those such in Sweden know this. It's biologically and mathematically
impossible in the UK since since since a large portion
of people badly hit by and badly hit countries have
already had the virus. So like, he creates these like
false realities, and then when the world does not follow
his like bad math or logic, he thinks that there's
some grand conspiracy making things go wrong because he's convinced

(41:40):
that what he's saying is true, or he's acting in
bad faith. Um, it's it's it's yeah, probably he's acting
more in bad faith now. But I think back in
I think he was actually just kind of radicalizing himself.
Um and then there then here, Yeah that makes sense.
So in October he wrote a second article for lockdown

(42:02):
skeptic dot org where he says, quote, there's absolutely no
need for vaccines to to extinguish the pandemic. I've never
heard such nonsense talked about vaccines. You do not need
to vaccinate people who are not at risk from what disease.
So if that, if that doesn't make any sense to you,
good it should it? Uh? See, Because he didn't believe
that at the beginning of the pandemic somewhere between thirty
and people were already immune from COVID nineteen because it's

(42:27):
a coronavirus and we've had those before. He's written, He's
written that even the common cold will probably make you
a moon immune from COVID nineteen. Now that's not how
things work at all, but that doesn't matter. Um, everyone's
bad at everything. Yeah, so yes, uh So. At this point,

(42:47):
he's granted on Twitter a lot and written to very bad,
easily debunked articles on a very reputable website, Lockdown skeptic Um.
But like no one knew who he was at this point.
He was just like some dude screaming into the void.
Um until late October when The Daily Mail gave him
the opportunity to write a column. Uh So Eden in

(43:11):
October wrote a column for The Daily Mail headlined three
facts the Number ten Experts got wrong. Dr Michael Ian
says claims that there that the majority population is susceptible
to COVID are false, the only seven that's only seven
percent of affected in people are false, and the and
that the virus death rate of one percent are false.
So he wrote this this big thing, and it it

(43:32):
basically largely just repeats the lies that Yan wrote in
his two previous Lockdown skeptic articles, but slightly repackaged in
a more digestible lengthage the largest new paper in the world.
Um it declared that the deaths caused by COVID nineteen
which then totally about hundred entitled Britain, which he thinks

(43:53):
grows overestimate, but he thinks he thinks that they'll fizzle
out anyway, and that we should be immediately allowed to
resume to normal life. Um. Of course, since then it's
killed a lot, a lot more people. Um. But the
Daily Mail op heed went viral among you know, the
expected corners of the Internet, because like it's the thing,
like fiser VP says that these these things that the

(44:14):
experts are saying are all wrong. Um. The AP did
a piece on app as as we call it, did
a piece on that discussed the impact of Yiedon's column
um quote. Screenshots of the article have amassed hundreds of
thousands of views on Facebook and Instagram by accounts opposing
masks and vaccination. Several posts echoed Yieden's comments with claims

(44:36):
that the COVID pandemic is over, so like he he
at this point, he just he just wanted lockdowns and
that's to stop that. That's that's, that's what he was claiming.
He he he had a whole bunch of fake claims
about you know, the science of things. But like what
he wanted out of it was just two people to
go back to normal. Um and some some some social

(44:56):
media posts circulating UH suggested that Yiden's opinions were credible
because he because of his role as the former former
chief scientists of of the Fight of the Fightser Allergy
Respiratory Section. Um. You know, one quote on Facebook said,
here we have it. The company making the vaccines says
the pandemic is over and healthy people do not need
a vaccine. So yeah, you know, you you only need

(45:20):
like one small thing that you can extrapolate into a
into like a catchy bit. And then it's then it
becomes the company making the vaccines says the pandemic is
over and healthy and healthy people do not need vaccinations. Yeah.
It's like, I mean, there's this problem keeps recurring itself.
There's that guy at that town hall Biden did who
like asked him, you know, as I talked about how
is a small business owner the different uh government like

(45:44):
welfare programs were hurting his business and stuff, and you
look it up and it's like, well, he owns twenty
nine restaurants. He's just angry that he has to pay
people more, um, because he was bitching about having to
increase pain and like, as a small business owner, I
can't afford you, and like, yeah, do you want almost
thirty restaurants? You're not a small But all that gets
put across and like the fucking uh SoundBite is like

(46:07):
Biden's hurting small business owners or whatever. Nobody ever does
any additional work. That's all you need to be able
to say. It's like the head of the fire fighter's
virology lab says it's over exactly, Like well, no, he
was years ago and he's and he wasn't even he
wasn't even It wasn't even the virology lab. It was
it was the allergy lab. Wasn't that lab, But like yeah,
but that was that was what was repeated, you know,
um yeah, yeah, because yeah, spacebook is a hell whole

(46:32):
of death. Yeah and yep, Well in in later news,
do what do you have anything you want us to sell?
Robert Um, I have a book it's called After the Revolution.
You can find it for free. We're not done. I'm
doing an ad break. Oh you're doing an ad break. Jesus.

(46:53):
We still we have a lot of talk about Still.
You can't do that to me, Garris. I was implying
that you wanted to sell Dick pellets. Someone who's going
to punish you, Dick Pellett's ads in trouble. Okay for
this and for the Swiss things router routers. God damn it.

(47:21):
All right, we're back, Sophie and I are laughing at Garrison.
We have to talk more. I have to say some
British names here, so bear with me. Um, Yeah, I
know they're the worst, right in anything. British is so
much we came from them. You you're even more directly
British than I. Ah my god, we can't get like

(47:43):
it's easier to talk about fucking Ukrainian names than British ones.
These names aren't aren't actually that bad? Um? But so
Soon after his Daily Mail piece, the British Host of
Commons had at a debate about the government's response to
the pandemic, and a parliamentarian named Richard Drax called Eden
an imminent scientist and sid and it is a cool name,
um and, but he sided his he sided that. He

(48:03):
sided the view that the vaccine, that the virus is
both manageable and nearing its end. Um And by November
even started appearing in videos for anti lockdown groups um online,
primarily on Facebook. So he was filming videos in his
garage for UH for for these differentia and anti anti
lockdown groups. As the discussion of the upcoming Fightser vaccine

(48:25):
picked up the optics of like the x VP of
Fightser helped ye did and gain a dedicated following. Um
One Facebook post carries the video from November in which
he even claims that the pandemic is fun fundamentally over,
and the post has been viewed over a million times.
His his videos on Facebook are extremely popular um and

(48:46):
they're shared by various pages, you know, lots of like
COVID hesitancy pages, a lot of COVID skeptic pages, a
lot of vaccines excepted pages, a lot of like patriot pages,
you know, all these types of things because he's like
becoming their new celebrity, because he's you know, the x
VP of visor UM. So as as December came and
Fiser and Maderna were about to release their vaccines for

(49:09):
for doctors. Eden made a very hard pivot to a
like to a complete focus on anti COVID vaccine rhetoric um.
On December one, of two US in twenty Eden and
a German doctor named Wolfgang. Oh boy, wolf Gang? Whoa dog? Wow? Dog?
Whoa dog? Yeah? That works? Um him, They filed an

(49:33):
application and a petition with the European Medicine Agency and
the FDA for the immediate suspension of all COVID vaccination studies,
in particular the biotech and fightser one um quoting quoting
the petition, the current study designs for phase two and
three trials of the Fighter vaccine are inadequate to adequately
assess effectively effective effectiveness effectiveness. Wow, I do not a

(50:00):
say that word effectivecy That is weird. Efficacy. Yeah, maybe
cut that Garrison, now, I'll cut that. Somebody else has
to be knocked for not pronouncing things right. The petition,
the petitioner and public will suffer suffer irreparable harm if

(50:20):
the actions requested there when are not granted. Because once
the after Gay lessonses is the COVID nineteen vaccination. Both
governments and employees will make the product mandatory in general
for and in general for airline or international travel. At
the assignment of cases and non cases during the course
of the trial is not accurate, the vaccine will not
have been properly tested. The vaccine. If the vaccine is
not properly tested, important public policy decisions regarding its use

(50:43):
will be based on misleading evidence. So basically, he wanted
to stop COVID vaccine testing because he thought the vaccine
would pass the test. And if the vaccine passes the test,
of peopleill start getting vaccinated. UM doesn't logic, doesn't fully compute,
But you know he's doing it for his own for
his own end Um. But there was one particular part
of the forty page long petition application thing that really

(51:06):
caught on and has had lasting effects. UM. In the
letter Yeden and the German doctor Man stated that the
Fighter vaccine blocks a protein that's keen the formation of
the placenta in mammals. They claim that They claim that
it's possible that women who receive the vaccine could become infertile,
so that is where the vaccine causes sterilization. Things started

(51:26):
from ill comes back to this guy and his little application. Um,
this got reported by tons of you know, not very
reputable outlets, but it's still very influential. You know x
x X head of fightser uh says that COVID vaccine
causes female sterilization. Is you know, the types of posts
and headlines from you know, quack sites that got that

(51:47):
got very popular. Um. Google searches for COVID vaccine and
infertility skyrocketed by over over in the days after this
this petition thing got posted. UM. Quoting Reuters, it's impossible
to measure the impact of Vian's claim that COVID nineteen
vaccinations could cause female infertility ancdotally, anecdotally, though many women

(52:09):
have bought in. Bonnie Jacobson, oh Whitess in Brooklyn, New York,
can't recall where she first heard about the fertility issue,
but she but she told us that it has made
her decision more hesitant to take the vaccine, as she
liked to have a child sooner than later. That's that's
why I'm in concerned, she said. Let more research come out.
After initially declining to get vaccinated, she said, Um, she
got fired at the tavern she works at. So this

(52:33):
the the whole fertility thing really really caught on, um
Bloomberg New yar and it's, yeah, it's you're already so
scared when you get pregnant, right because like suddenly you've
got this this thing growing and you're trying to make
a person. Like there's a lot of scary things about that,
and it's just so easy for people to um just

(52:55):
slide right in there with their bullshit and it's very
frustragrating Bloomberg News. But other peace tracking COVID misinformation in Asia,
uh the like the the past few months, and they
know that claims originated by ye didn't have caught on
and spread way beyond just you know Yeden's writing and videos.
You know, like the stuff he's saying is now just
being repeated by other people. Um this past may, following uh,

(53:16):
following Yeden's path, like a dozen Singapore doctors wrote an
open letter questioning the safety of the MR and A vaccines,
including a claim that the shots would change one's DNA. So, like,
you see a lot of this stuff that you didn't
sort of talk about is getting talked about bout other
doctors who they're making similar like petitions and stuff in
their local areas. Um. Yeah, things here in the States

(53:36):
are going about as well as you would expect with
the type of stuff because Eden has turned into a
new anti VAXX like celebrity. He's like he's the new
big guy. UM Writers points out that like references to
Yeden's petition appear on the website of a group founded
by influential vaccine skeptic Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Um, who

(53:58):
has been recently banned from Instant Graham Uhn had had
more bullet while he was a kid back then. Still
either way, UM and uh there was another popular vaccine skeptic,
Um Michel Malkin reported that uh Eden's shared Eden's concerned

(54:19):
about fertility issues in a call him last month under
the under the headline pregnant woman Beware the COVID shots
UM and a blog post with an Alarmer's headline head
of Fightser research COVID vaccine is female sterilization, which a
thousands of times on Facebook. Um he got he got
very popular in December and January for this particular kind
of thing that he fabricated. UM. A lot of his

(54:42):
former colleagues at Fightser say like they no longer recognize
like Eden as the guy they once knew. You know,
they used to describe him as like a knowledgeable and
intelligent who was who was you know? Very evidence based
um and generally didn't like to be like in the
public eye very much. UM. An old friend of his,
who hold the dreary in macular biology um uh, replied

(55:03):
to a post Dean made on Twitter because in December,
you made a post on Twitter with a with a
sign that said ditched the mask. And Yan's old friend
was like, Mike, what the hell are you actively trying
to kill people? Do you realize that what you're doing
is wrong and you're suggestionable result in deaths? Um? And
he had, like a number of other friends from Feiser
who have who have you know, talked about how they

(55:23):
used to have like coffee with him and had a
good time, that he always seem knowledgable and intelligent and
a good scientist. UM. And I obviously disagree with Mike
and his most most recent views. Uh, this does not
sound like the guy I knew twenty years ago. So
like a lot of a lot of weird weird stuff. Um.
All of all of his old co workers and colleagues
are just baffled. UM. Another another friend of his, was

(55:46):
recounted here, recounted hearing you didn't in a radio interview
last year. Quote there there was a tone in his
voice that was nothing like I've ever remembered of Mike.
He was very angry and very bitter. UM. Yeah, so
it is, it's it's there's a lot a lot of
his friends are just extremely confused. UM and UH. And
earlier this year, a group of his former fighter colleagues,

(56:09):
UM wrote, wrote him like a private letter UM, and
a version of it was sent to UM was sent
to Reuter's UH. One section reads them We've become happisode.
I thought, I thought about it, and I decided against
it for this particular one. UM. I can go back
later if we want, UM, but quote, we have become
acutely aware of your views on COVID nineteen over the

(56:31):
past few months. The single minded, this lack of scientific
rigor and one side of interpretation and of often poor
quality data is far removed from the Michael even we
once respected and enjoyed working with. They also noted his
you know, vast following on social media and the claim
that infertility has spread globally. UM and they ended it
by saying, we're very worried that you're putting people's health

(56:52):
at risk. So even particular background gives him so much,
so much potential danger, you know, even even more than
like um, you know the guy who started the renaissance
in in anti vaccine stuff. I mean, like he's he
that got sponsil for a lot of deaths too. But
like because of these, because of Eunan's connection to Fightser,
he has like a lot of optics potential for these

(57:14):
types of like conspiracy theory sites and and anti vax
sites UM. And since January, as COVID vaccinations have become
more available, Etan's gotten fully drawn in into the anti
vacction conspiracy theory media ecosystem UM. In March, it was
announced that he was going to be headlining the Awakening
World Truth Summit. It's like the big conspiracy theory convention UM.

(57:36):
It was it's been previously headlined by the likes of
Alex Jones and David Ike UM. I watched his panel.
It was very bad. UM. And then in May, June
and July he has really kicked up the number of
interviews for like podcasts and and documentaries UM and he's
starting to give like a lot of like in person
speeches at like rallies and stuff. Um, I've I've watched

(57:57):
tons of hours of his speeches and stuff, and he's
getting better at public speaking. He's he's like, he's like
he's he's developing a set of talking points that really
get like a reaction out of people. Um. Like he's
figuring out like what things he says can get people
the most the most like riled up. And then he's like,
you know, polishing different sections of speeches so he can
like be a much better, you know, and much more

(58:19):
influential speaker. Um. His current kind of greatest hits of
like claims that he's saying, uh, his his probably the
one he says the most is about asymptomatic infection. Um.
He thinks that if you are not symptomatic, you cannot
transmit any disease. He he thinks that like lockdowns are

(58:39):
pointless because the only way you can trans transmit disease
is if you are showing symptoms, otherwise you're not actually sick.
That's the thing he repeats all the time. Um, And
he thinks that lockdown because of because of this false
claim that he's convinced himself of He thinks that, like
the lockdowns are just like a government plot to control us,
and you know, conspiracy x x x x x whatever. UM.

(59:00):
Another one of his favorites is saying that variants aren't
actually a problem because they either don't really exist or
they're so similar to the initial strain that everyone should
have immunity by now anyway, and we already know that
that's not how COVID immunity works in the first place,
Like like there are people who got sick at the
beginning of the pandemic who got COVID again, like not
not long after, Like that's that's not how it works.

(59:22):
But that does not matter to uh to to eat
in UM. And then besides all the stuff we've already mentioned,
UM because relatively a lot of people, because so many
people have gotten at least one dose by now, he
Eten has kind of switched to talk from talking about
vaccines to talking about booster shots a lot. He he
insists that booster shots will kill you. He thinks that

(59:45):
he thinks that booster shots aren't a thing, and they
were invented specifically for this pandemic to kill people. UM.
In late April one, in an hour long interview um
eating as as described as the former vice president and
chief SCIENTISTI visor um He a video of him went
viral on Facebook, claiming that that the global government led

(01:00:05):
vaccine role notes were a ploy to initiate a mass
depopulation event. Um specifically, Dan said that recipients of the
Bocher shots will die within two years. So he's he's
had this mass depopulation kind of thing going on ever
since April. That's kind of been another one of his things.
He talks about a lot um in terms of you know,

(01:00:27):
government governmental control. He's like, all the governments decided to
invent covide at the same time, and they're planning something
to depopulate the masses or whatever. It is, the kind
of thing that he's talking about now. Um he like
he does think that like COVID's real. He just thinks
that most of us are already immune because we've already
had a common cold before. Or he thinks that the
treatments are extremely manageable. Like like he's he's a big

(01:00:49):
supporter of hydroxy chloroquine. He thinks that he he thinks
that that like can save everybody he's like the fact
that people, the fact, the fact of the fact, that
fact the doctors have not been giving that out means
that doctors should be executed for crimes because they're wilfully
not giving out this life saving drug. Um. And the
last thing he's been harping on a lot is vaccine passports. Um.

(01:01:09):
And he's he's still going on about this, saying like
vaccine passports are the end of liberal democracy. And he's
like constantly and saying like next week, vaccin, vaccin passports
are gonna happen. You know, it's it's it's it's always upcoming,
Like we're always just on the curb of making this
vaccine passport thing. I mean, we haven's latest news. Yeah,
he is losing his mind, Yeah he is. He is

(01:01:31):
not he's not doing he is. Yeah, I mean he's
he's getting a lot of press, he's getting a lot
of interviews, and you know, you know obscure podcasts, but
podcasts that have like a big following though, because like
you know, this is this is a very popular corner
of the internet. UM. So yeah. The videos of his
speeches and interviews have gone extremely extremely popular on Facebook

(01:01:52):
and Instagram, with tens and thousand, tens of thousands of
views sometimes millions um on on the platform, despite Facebook's
effort to move such content. UM. Even and even when
they do remove the content, that doesn't make things a
whole lot better because I found that many people, instead
of just posting videos straight to Facebook are now sharing
bit huote links um to to two videos of Yeden

(01:02:15):
talking about all of this ship UM one bit shoot link.
I found that, I like, it's like an hour long
video just passed over three d thousand views. I think
it got like fifty thousand views in the past week. UM.
And that particular video on but shoote ends in a
pretty disturbing way. UM. And I've seen ye didn't have

(01:02:36):
the same discussion in various interviews since then. UM, I'm
gonna gonna quote, gonna gonna do a dramatic reading of
the end of end of Yean's video here. Um. The
Nazi doctors were pretty much all hanged for their crimes
against humanity. And I'm sorry to say that NHS doctors
who are ministering these agents vaccines to people who are
not at risk from the virus because he leaves people

(01:02:58):
aren't a risk because they're already immune um and are
not telling them that they are experimental. Are also breaching
the Nuremberg Code. And I believe the Nuremberg. We'remberber, Neremberg,
no Uremberg. My mouse doesn't like so I I have

(01:03:18):
there's something happen to me as a kid, and I
had weird. I have a very narrow palette and extremely
high top of my mouth and it makes a lot
of pronunciation extremely difficult. Now I could have had this
fix as a kid, but I didn't. That's like say,
not being able to say Nuremberg, for not being able

(01:03:39):
to say Ariana Grande or Beyonce. I've never heard of
either of those people. And he closes this quote by
saying that you know they are. They're breaching the code,
and I think there should be a Nuremberg too. And
that's the thing he talks about a lot and the interviews.
He talks about how hanging of NHS doctors are like

(01:04:00):
just around the corner, like we're gonna have to like
we're gonna have to like put the people on trial
and hang them publicly for their crimes. And that's goods.
Almost no one responsible exactly. That's the thing, like I
got bad names about what happened to the Nazi doctors,
about the etsu. UM, and he also gives like impassioned,

(01:04:24):
please for like trying to spread this type of information. UM,
find other people like you who aren't quite sure but
are suspicious, find people, find find someone else to talk
to and UM. And if you and if you find
someone that says, oh, I'm glad you said that, because
I was I thought I thought this was lies to,
then both of you can go find a third person.
Once you've woken up and realize that you're being lied to,

(01:04:44):
it's very frightening. Find someone else who feels the same.
Don't be afraid to be a little bit wrong. The
people around you don't know any better than you do.
If they're experts, and they probably won't be, But if
they are, they'll be able to tell what you're saying
is actually true. And if they, like you are, just
are just suspicious not really experts, then they're not really
going to be able to tell that you're wrong. So
if you think something's wrong, you're right, go to go

(01:05:06):
tell someone else who feels the same. Never look back.
It's your last chance to rescue your own liberty and
your children's and your grandchildren's So none of that makes
any sense. Totally baffling, because like he's talking about, don't
be afraid to be a little bit wrong about the
things you're spreading. So like that was one of the
most bizarre ends of his video because it's like he's

(01:05:27):
telling people to be wrong about these things and he
almost knows it, because like, ever since April he has
just gone fully down this this client this like conspiracy
rabbit hole. He is like he is becoming the new
celebrity in this corner of the Internet. And that's that's
kind of how he's developed into a person. UM. We're

(01:05:49):
gonna end with some slight, slightly good news. UM. On
this last February, some old tweets of his surfaced UM
who's by by then Ian's account had all a hundred
thousand followers on Twitter. Um, but but some old tates
of his, like like like a few dozen of them
were extremely bigoted and islamophobic. UM got screenshot at and

(01:06:11):
shared around. Many of them are captured um uh in
time by archive dot org. UM. And the next day
Eden made his last tweet saying I'll soon be gone,
and then two days later his Twitter account was gone. Um.
His LinkedIn profile has also changed. He's now saying that
he's fully retired, and a month later he made a
final update on LinkedIn that says, I now seek opportunities

(01:06:33):
to relocate to the USA and to continue opposing inappropriate
policy responses to COVID nineteen. So he's planning, he's planning
to move to the States and continue this vaccine misinformation
celebrity thing that he's been doing. And that's that's kind
of the that is where he's at now. Um he's
July June. These he's like, uh, this summer, like the

(01:06:55):
summer one, he has gotten extremely popular. Um he is.
He is like he is like the spokesperson for this
entire for this entire movement. He's polishing his talking points.
Um yeah. And he's like constructed this false reality that
he now like lives in and is just is just

(01:07:16):
is saying saying things that to us make no sense,
but are extremely influential to people who are already skeptical
or who already aren't you know, don't like vaccines very
much because of his connections to the Fiser company. Um yeah,
So that's why like his his his initial tensions are
a little bit murky. It's harder. It's hard to see
what exactly he's doing, Like he doesn't take donations or anything.

(01:07:39):
He may he may be being paid for like appearances,
but it's unclear if he has like any monetary goals
from this. And then like you know, the previous vaccine
the previous like doctor vaccine guy you know invested in
the invested in those other vaccine companies, right um to
to to sell those three, to sell the three separate
vacs instead of instead of the world together. We don't

(01:08:02):
know if Eden has any financial kind of things at
stake here or if he's just doing this because he
actually actually believes in it. UM. But he's getting tens
of thousands of views on bit shoot, hundreds of hundred
thousands views on bit shoot, millions of views on Facebook
UM and his is just popularity has skyrocketed UM in

(01:08:22):
the past few months, ever since he went down like
the conspiracy theory rabbit hole. UM. And that is Michael Eden,
former former allergy researcher and now the newest celebrity in
the anti vax world. Well, I hope he falls off
of the side of a cliff. I hope like that

(01:08:44):
for him. I would like it if a bad thing
happened and he was not around anymore. I don't know,
what do you? What do you? What else can you say? Yeah?
I mean like there's there's nothing he can do. There's
like nothing because like his damage has his damage is
alread been done in a lot of ways. He's like,
you can't find a way to do more. But yeah,

(01:09:04):
the thing is he will find a way to do more.
He'll find a way to do more. These people always do.
And that's I don't know, Garrison, You've got a fun
future to look forward to. We were good stewards of
the world, buddy, man. When I was your age. The
things we said about the Internet were so ridiculous. My god,
it was gonna free humanity. It was gonna be like

(01:09:26):
the end of of of control by these these these
corporations and and evil governments, and people were going to
finally be free and knowledge was going to spread to
every corner of the globe. Garrison, we were so stupid,
And now your whole generations fun. Sorry, man. Yeah. Yeah,

(01:09:46):
there's a lot of kids at those anti at those
anti anti anti vaccine rallies that has been appearing at. Yeah,
and all of those pages on Facebook. Most of them
are moms, the ones that you know follow his weird
conspiracy theory podcasts. Mm hmm yeah, yep. Well as long

(01:10:07):
as he doesn't start publicly hanging doctors, I think no,
we're good, I mean, god, at least eighteen months away
from that. The I think the fact that he is
trying to move to the States is telling for what
he wants to do. But like where he sees a
future for that guy and loss of status, you need
us exactly. Yeah, but now you can talk about your book.

(01:10:32):
I can, I can be can pivot to to to
your book now? No, No, I just want do you
have his address? Garrison? If you docks this guy yet,
I'll talk to you after the phone coast on. Uh. Well,
this has been behind the Bastards, the podcast where nothing

(01:10:54):
good ever happens, but you keep listening anyway because you
hate yourself. I don't know. Shit. That's not a good
way to end a podcast episode. Um, so be how
do we end a podcast episode? My computer is crashing
right now, so it's time. We love about forty of
you statistically speaking, statistically Dally Bye,

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