CZM Rewind: The Andrew Tate Story (Part 3 & 4)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Also media.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hey everybody, Robert here. First off, we are doing a
rewind week because I've written two new Andrew Tait episodes,
but also my Earth Day came recently. We took some
time off, so we're gonna take this week to replay
the first four Tait episodes with ad breaks and stuff removed.
I also wanted to tell you Ed Zitron is in
the running for a webby for his show Better Offline,

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as is Molly Conger for Weird Little Guys. Please go
to the webbies vote for them. You can find the
links in the show notes along with their other links.
You can also just google Ed Zitron, Webbies, Molly Conger
Webbys and you will find them. Please do vote for them.
We'll be back next week with two brand new episodes
on what Tait has been up to over the last
couple of years and a bunch of really fucked up
information that's come up. So please enjoy these episodes the

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reruns with less ads, and go vote in the Webbies.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Ooy, it's stin roll of it.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Opening up another episode of The Andrew tight pood Yist. Wow,
that was incredible. I think I'm gonna try my American accent. Now,
I hope that's not offensive to anybody. I'm Robert Evans.
This is the first and only Boston based.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Podcast Behind the Past more like.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Behind the Master's like like Massachusetts.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
It somehow keeps getting worse.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, I thought that was pretty good. I thought that
was pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I would be more offended if I actually liked Boston,
which I don't. So no, my god, I'm it's so
bad that I started to fit. My whole face is right,
and I've teared up.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
You see a lot of the times we ignore the
reddit when we disagree with it, but today the subreddits
filled with Bostonians saying my accent is perfect. So I
have decided to take that as a mandate to continue
speaking in a Boston accent. Well, everybody, this is Behind
the Bastards. It's a podcast. Bad people tell you.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
All about it.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Oh whoa. I have a Jamie loftist text that says,
Butch Jack Tommy, they're on their way through Deadpool DVDs
that you like throwing stars if you do not stop
the Boston accent.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well, you know, Jamie is not really from Boston because
she's from She's from she's from Huavid Bracton. Yeah, we
don't consider that Baston where I'm from, which is I
don't know the parts of Boston. Look this, this joke

(02:37):
was always going to run into the limitation of me
not knowing anything about Boston. The Liberty Bell. I'm from
the Liberty Bell. So yeah, that's as Boston as it gets.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Oh my god, they have a really shitty basketball team.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
I've heard that about Boston from Bostonians. Yeah. Anyway, this
is this is behind the bastards we are. We are
heading into veering into part three of our our epic
podcast on Andrew Tait that I and all of you
were cruelly forced to make because he suddenly, very suddenly

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became extremely relevant and all of all of this, all
of our accents, all of our cross talk, is an
attempt to distract ourselves from the fact that we unfortunately
have to learn a lot more about Andrew Tate and
and Sophie.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Ian.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
I know I'm about to force a terrible, terrible quantity
of Andrew Tate video.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
So yeah, I and Johnson, our editor.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
I Ian Johnson, our editor. Hey, champion Sweet Prince, Kickboxing
champion of the World.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
I'm just mentally preparing myself for a bunch of horrific
Andrew Tate TikTok videos. So let's do it.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Not to mention one half of the DJ group Gladiator
with our very own DJ Daniel, we have the we
have the full Gladiator on staff, which is my favorite
thing to brag about.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
All of these things, all of these things are true.
And what's also true is that I have watched hours
of Andrew Tait. The people who live with me have
been miserable because while I'm cleaning the house, I've just
been putting on his eight hour long videos where he
tells people how to how to hustle. Yeah, I have
broken my brain and now it's time for everyone else

(04:24):
to suffer. Which could be the tagline of this show. Honestly.
Uh so, yeah, let's let's let's roll into it.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Don't do that to people.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
All of our money comes from doing it.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Headphones.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
I am wearing headphones now when.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
You're listening to eight hours of entertain no.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
See, I mean, the whole reason this podcast works and
the whole reason that I enjoy doing it is getting
to make other people miserable after making myself miserable. So
if I were just hiding all of the Andrew Tait
and and experiencing it solo. I wouldn't enjoy it as
much as like when one of my friends comes home
from a long day of like teaching children at a

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public school and sees Andrew Tate talking about child labor
on the screen of my TV, and that's just the
thing that assaults them as they attempt to de stress
from their day. I think that's beautiful, Sophie.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
I guess I know who I owe apologies to on
your behalf.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Oh everyone, everyone, Sophie. Uh So let's let's get back
into it. When we left off there there, Andrew and
Tristan Tate's webcam sex business, which was essentially just sex trafficking,
had taken off. They had started making a lot of money,
and they had been forced to flee the United Kingdom
after committing a series of sex crimes. So they are

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in Romania now. Andrew Tate will and he's pretty open
about this because because after this point he starts to
get a lot more active on social media, particularly Instagram,
and when he's doing these kind of like videos with
his fans where he talks about how he got rich
and how to get rich. He'll talk about why he
moved to Romania, and his explanation is the sex crime

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laws are a lot looser there. It's a lot harder
to get prosecuted because the government is more corrupt. And
while I'm not a rapist, I wanted to go to
a place with more freedom to commit sex crimes, which
is something a rapist would say, and is in fact
something a rapist did say, So it was never he
was never particularly good at hiding it and spoilers. It

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may prove to be a bad idea to taunt the
government of the country that you've moved to by calling
them corrupt and saying they don't prosecute sex crimes, because
Romania does actually have serious problems with sex trafficking. But
it turns out a great way to get a government
to take a problem seriously is to taunt them and

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say that they don't care about that problem. When you
become incredibly famous for committing.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Crimes, yeah, it's going to be good not to be advised.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
But that's a few years in the future, because for
quite a while this happens. He moves around twenty fifteen
or so, and for years he's very successful there and
he's instagramming as he starts to buy these supercars, as
he starts, you know, hitting the wealth level that he
can fly in private jets. He's putting all of these
videos out. He's engaging in stunts designed to draw attention,

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like promising to pay fans ten thousand dollars if they
show him a good night out partying.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
But the catch was that, So just to be clear,
all this money is from the website that him and
his brother are running.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Right, That's where it starts coming in from. As we'll
get into and to be honest, I'm not going to
be able to give anyone a cohesive answer is to
actually where all his money comes from because he is
a criminal. But we know a lot is coming in
from the cam business at this point enough that he's like, yeah,
promising to pay people ten grand if they show him

(08:05):
a good night out partying, and the catches he's going
to like instagram beating them up they if they don't
show him a good time. One fan took him up
on this and the video has been scrubbed from the internet,
but the end of it, Tate's like, I had a
bad time. Now you have to fight me. And this
dude clearly doesn't want to fight him, and is at
one point like here, I have to take my watch off,

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and so like Andrew looks away and then he just
bolts and runs. It's like a beat from a fucking
jet appataw boofy, And it works incredibly well on Andrew
Tait because he is We're about to get into some
of the smarter stuff he did, but he's not nearly
as smart as he thinks he is, So that's fun.
Twenty fourteen, I think is the year that the Tate

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brothers actually became millionaires. I found a compilation of Instagram
footage from that time and a YouTube channel called the
Tape Pill. Yeah, oh yeah, it's amazing. Let me breathe
in your sorrow Sophie. Mmm, that fuels me.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
N I missed the Boston exit.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
I yeah, see that. That was the plan all along,
get you to miss the Boston This Instagram footage of
his like first years a millionaire. It's all shots of
him driving expensive supercars, of the brother's partying of piles
of cash inside of vehicles, and like there's a lot
of videos of piles of cash, of women like cleaning

(09:30):
for him. He's also really obsessed with showing like servants
cleaning up for him while he does his videos. But
Tait's overall image, the way he presents himself is quite
different at this point. In one shot, we see him
with a bunch of young women outside of a hotel
or something. He's got a full head of hair, and
he's wearing like a pink polo shirt and shorts. He

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looks like a frat brother, which is not the look
that he goes for. He's kind of going for more
of like a sex criminal James Bond, which also you
might just call like regular James Bond if he went
shirtless more often, and his his kind of modern shit.
But he's he's he's definitely just kind of he's kind
of basic still at this point, Yeah, which I found

(10:13):
kind of interesting. In another shot from this compilation of
photos and footage, which I again I took from a
channel called the Tate Pill, we see a young woman
with Tate's Girl written across her chest in sharpie. Later on,
there's a woman with Tates with Tates written on her
as like a tattoo. This is a thing that you
should keep in mind because it's going to be relevant

(10:33):
later and Sophie. I put a picture in there of
the lady with Tate's girl written no, no, no, no,
let him let him see let him, let him take
this in.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
All right, I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, yeah, you got that. Ian, You're feeling good.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
He wouldn't make me show this to you.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
Oh okay, yeah, yeah, now that feels bad, but okay,
let's keep going.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, you don't say oh no.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
This whole thing is just giving me like Dan Blasarian vibes.
I feel like he like saw a bunch of Dan
Blasarian videos on the internet and was like, I want that,
and then he just started doing it. Are you familiar
with Dan Bazarian? Oh?

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yes, yes, Dan Bulsarian, who was like this big right
wing muscle gun influencer until he was present at that
mass shooting in Vegas and ran away rather than rendering
aid to any of the injured people. Yes, yeah, that guy,
Dan Bulsarian. Great guy. Um yeah. I mean think the
difference is that Tate would never have had a problem

(11:38):
with running away from a mass shooting because a big
part of his brand is you should only look out
for yourself and fuck everybody else, So he could he
would not have had he would not have had trouble
handling that situation. Now, that video compilation of Tate and
his brother when they first become millionaires is like thousands
of video compilations of the Tates litter the Internet, and

(12:02):
watching those compilations because he's been deplatformed so much, is
basically the only way to consume a lot of Tate's content.
And if you want to consume a lot of Tate
content for some reason, he's been deplatformed for most places.
We actually just lost a video where you're going to
play in here, So the easiest way to find old
episodes of Tate speech your various interviews is compilation videos

(12:22):
like the one I found of pictures of him when
he was first got his millions. That's something to keep
in mind because it's going to be more relevant later.
It's ele evidence of the kind of strategy that he
actually used to get as famous as he is. But
first we need to get into more of his backstory.
So in twenty sixteen, mister Tate became a contestant on

(12:44):
Big Brother, the UK reality show. Well, I guess the
UK version of Big Brother, right, I think there's a
bunch of versions of it. I don't know. I've never
watched Big Brother, but he was on the UK version
of it, and and I don't understand the rules of
the show, but he came in as an other housemate,

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which means he had to get voted to housemate status
or some shit. He had to basically like socially engineer
his way to being able to stay on the show.
And so he made a big deal about being a
strategizer and how he had this like elaborate strategic plan
to get on the house. But before whatever plan that
was came to fruition, footage leaked of him whipping a woman.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
God.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, I mean this is one of those ones that
I'm a little like unsure of because I've seen the
footage and like it's unpleasant. He claims that it was
a consensual, kinky sex act, and so does the woman
that he was whipping, and just based on the video,
that might be true of this specific video. Again, we

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know he's been physically abusive, there's a lot of evidence
of that. We know that he's committed, right, this specific
video may actually have been a kink thing, which is
why I'm not playing it because I just I don't
think that that kind of thing should be played. So instead,
let's watch a little clip of Andrew Tait on Big Brother.
I think that's going to give people a little bit

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better of a context of this guy and how he
was presenting himself in twenty sixteen. So if you've just
put the link into the chat, yeah, we're gonna this
will be a good time for everybody, and much more
pleasant than that video, regardless of what the truth is
of the video.

Speaker 6 (14:24):
Your take. I'm twenty nine years old and I'm a
four times kickboxing world champion. I see myself smarter than average.
I was a chess champion from a very young age,
in the age of three. My biggest tool is that
I'm not afraid of anything I have. Don't need the money,
I don't want to be fair, I don't want any
of that. So I'm gonna be the most emotionally controlled
person in the house.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Is Big Brother time is up?

Speaker 6 (14:44):
Andrew, confirm the character trait you have all chosen and targeted,
and explain your reasons were chosen. Sexies, as we're assuming
the persons who describes themselves as sexy as an idiot
and nobody an easy choice.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
No, because he.

Speaker 7 (15:00):
You can tell someone's se.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
We chose him to be an easy choice.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
But so that's Andrew Taate. Yeah, I mean you see
what he's kind of going for there is like I
don't I'm the most emotionally controlled. You can't like affect me. Yeah,
he's he's he's he's doing kind of a version of
the thing he's going to be doing. But obviously he

(15:27):
gets kicked off the show very quickly. I think he's
on it for literally like a week now. The claim
is that he's kicked off the show because this video
of him whipping this this woman gets leaked out right,
and that like that's why they kick him off. There's
debate about this within the Big Brother fandom. I went
through the Big Brother fandom wiki because I wanted to

(15:50):
see how are the how are the bro stands responding
to Andrew Tate? How did they feel about him? And
they note this quote. Andrew himself and many other fans
believe if that is an incorrect reason as to why
he was ejected. Andrew believes he was removed as a
result after unaired altercations with other housemates got very heated
and due to Andrew's fighting background, Big Brother feared violent

(16:11):
repercussions due to this and ejected him from the house.
And it's interesting that he would admit that because he's
basically saying they thought I was too violent and dangerous
and didn't want me to hurt somebody and get the
show in trouble, so they kicked me off, which I
actually think might be possible. I am going to say,
Andrew may not be incorrect there, because I'm big Brother

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and I see the way this guy interacts with people
and his background. I might be like, we may want
to get this motherfucker off the show. He seems like
a violent psychopath.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, I guess I don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, it's also very likely that they just saw that
sketchy video and we're like, we don't need this. We
don't need Big Brother doesn't need this pr So either.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
Before he went on the show, was he already kind
of starting to become face miss a little bit or
was this kind of like a jumping off point for
bigger fame.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
I certainly wouldn't call him famous. He was, you know,
a semi prominent within the UK, semi prominent fighting sports star.
He'd done a little bit of MMA too, and he
was a semi prominent and he had, like, you know,
I think in the tens of thousands, maybe even like
a couple one hundred thousand followers on Instagram. So he's

(17:26):
not a nobody, but he's not a celebrity, right, Like
he's the he's the level of celebrity that you you
picked to be on a Big Brother show, right Yeah. Now,
as with so many claims about this guy, obviously, like
I'm not going to say that the Big Brother wiki
fandom wiki is a great source, but I did read

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through it, and I think it's worth reading to you
the biography that the Big Brother fandom wiki gives for Tate,
because I believe it's it's accurate to the kind of
stuff that Tate bragged about in his Big Brother appearance.
Here's his biograph. Andrew is a member of Mensa that Andrew.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
As the Iowa Writers Workshop, which I was fucking right about.
Thank you everybody who mentioned the message. Yeah, but people
did that red motherfucking flag.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Folks who are not on the social media should note
that people pointed out the Iowa Writers Workshop was apparently
started by the CIA, which is very funny in terms
of Sophie being right about it being shady, although I
will say Robert bly does not seem to have taken
to the CIA's propaganda, you know about the anti war

(18:35):
but I guess, yeah, I guess we'll see whatever feel
about that. However, you want very.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Funny number of mensa, let's go back to that.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
That is that is more of a red flag the
CIA writing program. I'm gonna I'm just gonna say that
right now. Text Jamie about this. Does Jamie know that
Andrew Tate was mint?

Speaker 1 (18:53):
I will text her right now.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
I'm going to continue Andrew's bio from The Big Brother Wick.
Andrew was a four time world kickboxing champion. His brother,
who Andrew claims is his only true friend, trades him.
What a sad sentence. Andrew believes that a man should
be able to sleep with as many women as he wants,
but that does not apply to women. So that's basically

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what you'd expect from mister Tate, right.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
Yeah, that sounds like a perfect encapsulation.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, what an incredible guy. So the year after his
Big brother failure, Donald Trump, you guys might have heard
of this, becomes President of the United States, and suddenly
you got fascists in the streets. You got the alt
right suddenly being a term and everybody's lexicon, and you've
got this galaxy of right wing and explicitly fascist media

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influencers just blowing the fuck up on social media. Andrew
and Tristan saw this happening, and they were like, this
is how we get huge, right, This is a perfect
place for us to just kind of nest, like one
of those wasps that lay their eggs in your eyes
and then burst out. So they decide to be the

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wasps in let's say, Alex Jones's eye. They start to experiment.
Social media posts bragging about their luxurious lifestyle had helped,
but that kind of stuff is a dime a dozen now.
Andrew is unfortunately not a dumb man, and so he
observed the successive guys like Mike Cernovich, Alex Jones, Paul
Joseph Watson, and he recognized that they were all using

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variations of the same tactic. They would post something deliberately
inflammatory on social media, or on their own shows. They'd
have some sort of guests like David Ike talk about
lizard people, or they would go on this rant, or
they just do something super racist and that would generate
outrage and all of these liberal and centrist in left
wing journalists would cover the horrifying thing that they'd said

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on social media, which would elevate their profile and give
them free advertise.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Platforms are they using at this time?

Speaker 2 (20:54):
He is using primarily Instagram and he's going to get
increasingly big on TikTok. These these the right wing influencers.
Who's probably best at TikTok. He also, though he puts
stuff on YouTube for and until he gets banned from YouTube,
he has like a long kind of video blog podcast
and that's kind of where he's starting.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
It's very it's very it's very interesting. The like the
similarities to like Steve Bannon using yep yeah, video game
and and just message.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah yeah. And he's this is very conscious, right, Like
he's he's, he's and this is this is where Andrew
Tait is smart, right because intelligence is is not a
broad concept. It's a narrow thing. And he's very intelligent
when it comes to how to build a right wing
brand online. He watches what everyone is doing and he
takes the stuff that works best, and he's he's going

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to become very good at this. But you know who's
even better at this?

Speaker 1 (21:48):
The products and services that sponsored this podcast.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
They they have you should see their right wing Instagram page.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
It is offensive what you say that, but most of
our ads are programmatic and we have no idea what
they are, so that could. I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
I'm excited for the Gold Company to come back. Everybody. Yeah, ye,
buy some motherfucking gold. We are we are back. Sophie
is letting us know that Jamie Loftus, who did a
podcast on mensa, just uh just got the news that
Andrew Tait is a mensight. How does she respond?

Speaker 1 (22:33):
All caps lo o L no way, beautiful, beautiful, perfect reply.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Happy, happy to have supplied her with this information. Yeah,
So Andrew starts upping his his appearances on social media,
He starts integrating himself into this right wing ecosystem, throwing
out offensive ship and just kind of using that to
build his profile, to get him invites to be on
other people's shows. And I'm gonna quote from the already

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in here to talk about his rise to prominence. In
September of twenty seventeen, he was criticized by mental health
charities for saying depression isn't real. The next month, he
waited in on me Too. Saying women should bear some
responsibility for being raped of you. He has since repeated
and which, among other incidents, led to him being barred
from Twitter. The backlash one Tate work and boosted his profile.

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He appeared on info Wars, the podcast of conspiracy theorist
Alex Jones, was pictured with far right YouTuber Paul Joseph Watson,
and met Donald Trump Junior at Trump Tower, posting on
Facebook afterwards the Tate family support Trump fully.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Maga cool from hell Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, yeah, he's tic tac towed his way through the
very worst people in our society. In twenty nineteen, police
were called after Tate showed up at the house of
Mike Stuckberry, a journalist who had been critical about him
online days acts after Yaxley Lennon, that's Tommy Robinson, who
he did an episode, did the same thing. The incident
caused Stuckberry's wife to suffer a panic attack and played

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a role in them leaving the UK for Germany. So
both that's gross physical intermidation of a guy who's criticized him,
but also he's just doing the same thing Tommy Robinson did,
so you can see at this point he's not a
figure in his own right. Yet when you are copying
Tommy fucking Robinson, you have not yet ascended, right. That

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is one of the sadder right wing grifters to be
following in the footsteps of So he's working on it,
but he hasn't yet blown his way kind of out
of the pack. All of this controversy, all of these
appearances on right wing talk shows and podcasts, did successfully
elevate Tait's profile, and he started funneling his new fans
towards his new business, one with a wider appeal than

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webcam prostitution. He began offering a series of classes to
his followers. Initially, this was sleazy pickup artist shit classes
on how to get women. The market for that is
very crowded, though. Here's how Tate attempted to set himself
apart from the pickup artist community. From the promotional material
I found for his now defunct PhD program fuck up

(25:09):
What Yeah, Yeah, it stands for something gross I forgot,
but I'm going to read you the ad copy that
he wrote for this fucking thing. Andrew Tate is world
champion kickboxer who owns and operates strip clubs in webcam studios.
With over seventy five girls working for him. He has
created a system that allows you to get girls quickly, easily,
and without spending money. Unlike other pickup artists who have

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the odd girl here and there, Tate has top quality
that's in caps women living with him and making him
money full time. This makes him more qualified than any
other coach on the internet. Do you want to learn
how to get the odd girl from a pickup artist?
Or learn how to build an army of women who
are so loyal to you that they allow you to
have as many girls as you want. More importantly, he

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has a fool proof system for retaining women, having them
do as you say and respecting you without taking up
or wasting large amounts of your time. As Tate said,
I don't want to tin unless she does everything I say.
It's obedience and loyalty that turns me on more than looks.
Whether you're looking to get girls, simply have your girlfriend
obey every command and be fiercely loyal, or learn how

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to live with three or four girlfriends at once as
Tate does. This is the course for you. So do
were you go? Guys?

Speaker 1 (26:20):
So do we think? Hitch was his favorite movie?

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Soybe, I don't think you're allowed to make references to Hitch.
Nobody's seen Hitch.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Have you seen Hitch with Will Smith?

Speaker 4 (26:31):
I have seen Hitch. It's a I mean, you know,
it's a it's a fun little movie.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Is the allergic reaction for oh that was? You know,
bring it back? Yeah? Yeah, that that entire thing was disgusting, Robert,
thank you for sharing.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Oh yeah it was. When I found that, I just
knew that was. I did a little chef's kiss, like
I was like I was cooking up some spaghetti. Uh,
it was good. It was good. Now a big part
of Tate's branding, and this is the same thing when
you are an influencer, right, if you're trying to build
like a cultishly loyal following, you have to use cult techniques,

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and that means creating words that were not in use
before you started using them, and or at least repurposing
words in ways that other people don't use them and
getting your fans to talk that way. And one of
the things Tate note knew this. And Tate also he
had paid attention to guys. You know again, think back
to our other cult leaders. We've got guys like Keith

(27:33):
Ranieri who was called Vanguard. We've got l Ron Hubbard,
who was the commodore. I forget what Werner Erhard went by,
but we just did his episodes. And for Tate, the
kind of name that he had his fans call him
is top G. And you will see this in a
shitload of zoomer TikTok videos. I want to play first
a video for you of him talking to his brother

(27:55):
about what top G means.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
And this is from the Tate Pill you tube channel,
which all that's.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
The only YouTube channel that I visit.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, top G and Tate Pill, all those names make
me want to cry.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
It's good stuff, Sylvie.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Here's the clip top G.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Everyone says top G. Kids are now wearing T shirts
and top G on it. I want to be a
top G. I want to be the top G. He
basically trademarket. So what do you mean by top G?

Speaker 7 (28:21):
Top G is an individual who is capable in all realms.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
As my father said.

Speaker 6 (28:25):
Sheer into fatiguability and unmatched perspicacity made him a feared
opponent in all realms of human endeavor. When you are
top G, you are dangerous at everything. That's why I'm
talk to If they were to say to you, you
have to go on a racetrack and race Tait in cars,
he'd be like, shit, that's as you have to go
in the boxing ring and fight Tate, share fight, you

(28:45):
have to go debate tape ship crely, you have to
go try and get a girl and takes also trying
to get the girl. Shit, it's against It doesn't matter
what the competition is. As soon as they say my name,
you're gonna be like a fox, my unmatched perstpocacity, my
ability to perceive, my sheer India believe the fact that
I never get tired. You add all this together. I
am a feared opponent in any almost human endeavor, even

(29:06):
things I don't yet know how to do.

Speaker 7 (29:08):
You do not want to compete with me.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
In those things.

Speaker 6 (29:10):
That is why I am.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
So First off, it feels like he wasn't as good
at chess as he says because his dad had to
kick him out of a contest for crying too much.
Just do do keep that in mind as he makes
these claims. Now, I don't believe that Andrew Tait is
a competition race car driver because he has never done that.

(29:33):
And also by the way I again, because he makes
claims like this. I went to like race car Twitter
to see what they said about him.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
And they had.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
A lot of weird There were a lot of you
run into people making these weird niche criticisms about his
supercars and how they're not the right.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Kind of it's a weird thing.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
It's an expensive car that goes fast. And if you're
a supercar nerd and disagree, you can go to hell.
Because I enjoyed reading and found it like enlightening reading
the chess and the kickboxing subreddits. The supercar people are insufferable,
even the ones that don't like Andrew Tait.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
So I I do love that. That's Robertson.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Yeah, that's where he draws a line. It's like the
supercars just really were too much.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Because they were like, well, no, you want this supercar,
not that one. I would never get. I was like,
you don't like none of you. I'm sorry, I don't
I you you people. I don't believe.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Oh god, I can just imagine these supercar fuckers like
Tinder profiles. They're so horrible. Their car is there, you know,
the car is in the picture.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, I simply don't care. What you have to say
about his supercars. But what I do care about is
the fact that as silly as that all is, the
top g shit worked. And as evidence for this, I
have just sent another link to the chat. This is
a protest in Athens, Greece, where what appears to be
visually several thousand adult men and a number of men

(31:09):
who are boys marching through the streets of Athens. And
I want, Sophie, I want you to just play what
they're chanting. Yeah, this was right after his arrest. Yeah,
I know what this is. I'm sad. And that is like,

(31:33):
it's not a I'll say this, that's not like a
tiny flash mob. There's a lot of there is a
there is a distressing number of men in the street.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
There's a distressing number of men in the streets. That's
in Greece.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yes, it is not great. So this works very well.
Tate was very successful. And again we've already covered the
degree to which he's exaggerating and out right lying about
his competence, But he's successful at pushing a persona of
himself as hyper competent and irresistible to women. As we've
already covered a lot of what he says is objectively untrue.

(32:09):
His kickboxing record was cooked, his businesses are mostly cheap
scams or outright criminal enterprises. We'll get into that more
in a second, but it's worth digging into first the
reality behind the Andrew Tate method of picking up women.
In the wake of Tate's arrest, a brave nineteen year
old Romanian woman named Daria Gusha Gusa reached out to BuzzFeed.

(32:30):
She told them and provided evidence that in twenty twenty,
when she was sixteen, Andrew Tate slid into her dms
on Instagram with a message that read Romanian girl strawberry emoji,
which I think is a sex thing. The strawberry emoji,
I don't know. I don't know what you kids use.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
When Tate messaged strawberry emoji. All right, carry on.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
On the gram, yes, Sophie, geez, get with the kids,
get with the times. When Tate messaged her, her Instagram
bio had the name of her fancy private school, and
she told BuzzFeed that a number of other girls in
her class had been messaged by Tate around the same
time in the same way. So it seems like he
was looking for basically just like filtering his responses from
girls in this private school who were like sixteen, and

(33:12):
then messaging a bunch of them at once. Daria did
not respond, but her friends. Some of her friends did,
and Tate complimented them, telling them how beautiful they were.
He bragged about his wealth, and he offered to take
them to expensive restaurants. After a short back and forth,
he would every time try to meet up with the girls,
be like, hey, we should meet up right now. Where
are you I'll come pick you up, we can go
out and eat. And I'm going to quote from BuzzFeed next.

(33:35):
None of her friends went ahead with meeting with him,
she said, and once Tate realized they weren't going to,
he started to insult them. The second that girl stopped
replying to him, he starts getting a bit verbally abusive,
calling them ugly and stuff right like that, just to
get the reaction out of them and keep engaging with them.
Guza said, And that's I think useful to go over
because that's normal shitty guy on the internet stuff. That is,

(33:59):
there's a guy's doing that. There's nothing special about him.
He doesn't have some sort of secret. He's not irresistible.
He's just doing the same thing that Like, there's like
there's a whole bunch of Twitter accounts that like semi
professionally post like screen grabs of guys sliding into women's
dms all around the world doing that exact thing. Like,

(34:20):
there's nothing about his method that is special or rare.
He just practices it exclusively on children. And you know
what he's doing is he's I'm sure shotgunning out these
requests to so many people that statistically, just like with
like a you know exactly, it's like one of those
like email scams. Right, some number of people are going

(34:41):
to like respond, It'll work on some number of people,
and that's all he cares about, right, And I do
think that's important because when it comes to actual pick
up artistry or whatever you want to call it, Andrew
Tate is no different than every other frustrated adult male
piece of shit looking to flirt with little kids.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah you're not special, motherfucker, just like every other.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, exactly, he is just like every other creep behind
the curtain. Now, none of this, though, is public. During
the rise of Andrew Tate's social media profile or his
main online business, which would become Hustler's University. That's what
he calls this like series of classes and training programs
that he starts to launch, and it's the kind of

(35:23):
thing like he is undeniably good at getting people, and
it's mostly the people who mostly believe this image he's
crafted are children, right, they are also children. They're male children.
All of his victims, the women that he the girls
that he's flirting with, are mostly children or of extremely
young adults. And the people with.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
Exactly who can't do critical thinking or make like a
big decisions.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, exactly. And the people he's trying to get money
from are like boys from like I'm going to say,
age twelve to twenty, and uh yeah, that's that's that's
who this shit works on.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
Now.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
I found an eight hour class from Hustler's University up
on YouTube, which is just part one of.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
His watching around the hut.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
I sure did, I sure did. There are you can
find a lot of these have been uploaded since his arrest,
and there's like a hundred of them, like so many hours.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Doing house chores and then last this.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
I'm sweeping, I'm cleaning, you know, I'm standing standing naked
doing planks on my in my living room floor. Normal stuff,
your living room floor. Oh yeah, that's the only place
I do it. So, uh yeah, I felt like I
had to watch through these because Tate claims at the
start that these do contain his entire understanding of business

(36:44):
and how to make money. I figured watching it would
give me some insight into the soul of the man himself.
And boy, howdy did it ever? Oh god, So we're
going to go into that in a little bit. But
first you know what we're going to go into.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Oh oh oh, is it an AD break? Isn't an adreak?

Speaker 2 (37:02):
It sure is an AD break. It's some products, some services,
the odd product and service. We're going to go into that.
I'm going to do my hustle before we we we
introduce you all to Hustler's University.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Oh, Robert, that was despicable.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, well, welcome to the potty Pal. We are back back.
So Hustler's University starts out pretty boring. He gives his
definition of a business, which is a thing that money
goes into. Right, that's the only thing a business is.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
So thanks thanks for explaining that. Thanks, I have no
idea before Okay.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Thank you, thank you. Andrew. Well It's interesting because since
a business is only something money goes into, if you
are putting money into startup costs, if you're putting money
into R and D, if you're paying for things like PR,
that is all a waste of time, right, because that's
spending money. A business only takes money in. Now, you
may be saying, well, but you have to spend money

(38:07):
to make money. That's like a thing everybody knows about business.
That's just the way that it works, right, Andrew says no,
And in order to explain what a fool you are,
he gives an example of a good business that he
had an idea for. And this first example of a
good business is starting a website to sell makeup online. Now,
he says, he's adamant that like, you don't need to
have any makeup, you don't need to have a product.

(38:29):
All you do is you make a website selling makeup,
and then you wait for a bunch of people to
buy the makeup, and then you figure out where to
get makeup with the money that they've spent on makeup
that you didn't have before, and then you send it
to them. Sounds like that's genius brain level business stuff.
Start a fraudulent makeup business and then buy makeup once

(38:50):
you start getting money. I don't think that that would work,
in part because there's a lot of makeup that's a
real company out there that people can buy from.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
A lot of other options act makeup.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
So yeah, and I'm sure a lot of people have
that question. How are you supposed to actually get cash
flow started without investing, without having something to make people
want to buy your makeup? And Tate has an answer
for you, and that answer is child labor. So I'm
going to play a clip from you and as an aside,
during this clip, when you hear him tell someone to

(39:25):
wipe down his whiteboard, it's some random cam worker in
his home. It's a young woman who lives with him
that he has doing minor chores in the background. This
is the thing that he does in all of his videos.

Speaker 6 (39:35):
Family and friends are actually the best staff you can
possibly get. Now, people say, don't mix friends with business,
don't mix family with business. Can you clean my board?
Sit here and wipe it, please, don't mix friends with business. Off,
don't mix friends with business, don't mix family with business.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
That's a lie.

Speaker 6 (39:58):
So the reason people say this is because people are heads,
and they can't get along with anyone. They're not They
can't get along with anybody long enough to make any money.
But I guarantee you have family members right this second
who could make you money. I guarantee you you have
a fifteen year old niece, nephew, cousin, brother, whoever, who
knows more about computers than you do. I guarantee there's

(40:20):
a fifteen year old out there with nothing better to do,
who knows more about photoshop.

Speaker 8 (40:24):
Than you do.

Speaker 6 (40:25):
Right now, his stupid ass needs a job, so you
can start a company right now.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Yeah, So that's that's that seems good, right, That's that's
a solid business idea. Have have young relatives and trick
them into working for you. Absolutely genius, Andrew you are.
You are the finest business mind of our generation. Now
he follows this up with his next incredible piece of

(40:54):
corporate advice, which I think might be of interest to
some prosecutors in Romania. And I'm gonna have Sophie play
that one next.

Speaker 6 (41:01):
Don't get legal before you get rich. This is super important.
We're talking about hustling here. I'm telling you the hacks
to becoming rich.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Do not get.

Speaker 6 (41:13):
Legal before you are rich, you can fix your legal
bullshit when you've already made money. It's a shame of
deleting my word erase to my beautiful makeup diagram. But
it's very similar to what we were saying earlier.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
I know, so.

Speaker 6 (41:30):
Registered for VAT, registered with the tax man, already have
an accountant, and haven't made any money yet. I in
most of my companies, will make a million dollars before
I'll even consider fucking around with a tax form, talking
to an accountant, or registering any fucking companies. All that
shit is on the layer base until you have proved

(41:51):
the viability of your company and you have money coming in.
When you're rich and you have money in the bank,
then worry about that stuff. Don't waste your time, energy
and money doing all that legal crap before you know
anything about whether your business is going.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
To work on.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Don't do crime. That's a crime.

Speaker 7 (42:09):
It's time sink.

Speaker 6 (42:12):
If every time I had to start a company or
an idea, I had to go register a company, getting
account and do tax forms, do VAT form, what a
waste of time. I've started maybe one hundred companies in
my life. Twenty of them made money. You're telling me
eighty times, I would have had to fuck around. Don't
do that. I know so many people who have a
company legally but don't have a company in reality, because

(42:33):
it exists as a legal entity, but it does not
provide cash.

Speaker 7 (42:37):
A company provides cash.

Speaker 6 (42:39):
If you're a street drug dealer, you own a company
much more than the guy with all the legal entities
which ain't making money.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
Do not.

Speaker 6 (42:45):
We're hustlers here. It's the hustler's university. Do not confuse
this money in what's the lessons I've been teaching you?

Speaker 7 (42:51):
Money in? Where's the money in?

Speaker 4 (42:53):
Pointing at the empty white fig written on it, there's nothing?
Oh my god, ah oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
So because people this is an audio medium, he is
like pointing and circling things on an empty whiteboard because
he's forgotten that he had one of his cam workers
erase everything on it. Obviously, this is terrible advice, in
part because if you start a business that doesn't make
a profit and you did not do any of the

(43:25):
legal things you needed to do, there's a good chance
that at some point the taxman will come and say, hey,
you didn't do all this shit you needed to do,
and we know that you know now you owe us
a shitload of money, and because your business failed, you
owe even more because you broke a bunch of laws.
That's one thing that is concerning about the advice that
he's giving. Although anyone who's going to start companies using

(43:48):
the Andrew Tate advice probably deserves to be in trouble
with the irs or whoever, so I'm not going to
complain too much about it. But also I kind of
hope someone in Romania is aware of these videos, because
I suspect Andrew Tate did not dot the ises or
cross the t's necessary to make all of his shady
businesses legal in that country. He was operating casinos and

(44:09):
strip clubs in the country once he got rich, like
actual ones, not just CAM ones, So I kind of
think there's a decent chance he will wind up getting
extra charges as a result of not legally operating any
of his businesses. Fun thing to brag about, Andrew. So
the next point he makes in this video of really

(44:30):
just irreplaceable financial advice is use what you've got, And
this is where Andrew actually gives us some context on
how he started his cam business and why. But first
we get a little bit more child labor advocacy.

Speaker 6 (44:45):
I just gave you the example of the fifteen year
old cousin who can make websites. Now you own a
website company, or your fifteen year old cousin who can
do I don't know fucking who knows what he can do?

Speaker 7 (44:54):
He can mow lawns.

Speaker 6 (44:55):
Every fifteen year old can mow lawns. Now you have
a lawnmowing business. Bang, tell his stupid ass to go
deliver some flyers. Drive him round your car, play some
two pac, chill out in your car, text some bitches,
drive it five miles an hour. Let him drop off
all the leaflets, and then let him mow all the lawns.
You collect all the money and just pay him a percentage. Bang,
you now own a lawnmoaning company. Congratulations, Use what you got.

(45:19):
I made a lot of money with webcam girls. If
you're watching this, you don't know that webcam girls. You
can go to a chatterbait dot com. You see girls
on there on webcam getting naked talking to dudes, taking money.
That made me millions and millions of dollars. I came
up with that idea by sticking to this principle.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Use what you've got so.

Speaker 7 (45:36):
Right now, if you're sitting there, what are you saying?

Speaker 4 (45:39):
And I mean everything this way?

Speaker 6 (45:42):
Have the car, it's on lease. You have physical strength,
I'll say you're a strong guy. When I was making
my list, I was right and everything now and I
was like, well, I've got six girlfriends. Six girlfriends, so okay,
strip How can girls make you money?

Speaker 7 (45:53):
Strip club?

Speaker 6 (45:54):
But that takes money to set up? Remember costs again,
I cannot get money in.

Speaker 7 (46:02):
A strip club without the club.

Speaker 6 (46:03):
So I looked at all the costs for a strip
club and realize it's too expensive. Before I could get
money in, it's too big a risk. Remember it's too
much risk. I can lose three four under grand can't
risk that. How can I get money in? How can
I get money in for having hot girls without spending
money out?

Speaker 7 (46:21):
So my first idea was strip club.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
If I looked at all the costs, I was like, okay, So.

Speaker 6 (46:26):
How why do men send Why do men spend money
on girls in strip club? Because the girls are beautiful?
They get to look at the girls, see some titties.
How can I do that without the club? Well, the internet,
if I put them on the Internet is cheap. This
is literally how I thought I stuck to my business principles.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Okay, it's cheap.

Speaker 6 (46:44):
Start looking up bound discovered the webcam websites, all right,
So I've already got the girls. I've already got a laptop,
I've already got the internet bag. The day I had
the webcam idea, the same day I was making money.
I didn't spend any money, but I was making new
money because I refuse to allow myself to spend. Then

(47:05):
I started making new money in with the webcam because
I knew I had the internet. I knew I had laptops,
I knew I had girls. Use what you've gone. Look
around you, what people do you have? Does your old
mother need a new jobs Maybe she's at home and she's.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Oh my god, maybe she will because your old mother.

Speaker 6 (47:22):
If you have a cousin's nieces, nephews, if you have
a girlfriend who has nothing to do, use what you have.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
The most upsetting thing about all of this is, like
you can see how like this people can fall for this,
or like the how people could be susceptible to this,
because obviously he's taking it to a sick, disgusting extreme.
But like at the core of it, Like that does
make sense on some level, if you have a bunch
of you know, old baseball cards or whatever, you can

(47:50):
start selling them at school and make a little extra money.
But like, he's taking it to such an extreme level
of exploitation and illegality that it's like insane. But I
could see someone who is maybe not as savvy or
is really gullible, could be influenced or fall for this
kind of stuff. And that's what makes people like this
so fucking dangerous.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yeah, and what's going on here? There's two things going
on here, right, And this is always the case with him.
It's the case with like the thing the brags, the
lies he makes about his background. It's true he's pretty
good at chess. It's true his dad was very good
at chess. It's true that he was a decent kickboxer.
And then he kind of uses that core of truth

(48:28):
and then wraps a bunch of lies around it in
order to make this persona It is true that a
lot of people with small businesses use their families for
free labor. Right. There's like laws in the United States
where kids normally there's a lot of restrictions on how
they can work unless it's like a family owned business. Right,
if you like own a corner store, you can have
your sixteen year old work it and they're not subject

(48:49):
to all of the restrictions that like seven eleven would
be if they tried to hire a sixteen year old. Right, Like,
there's some differences there. I'm not saying, by the way
that that's good or bad. I'm just that's the way
that it works, pretty normalized. What he is saying is
like taking that idea and saying no, no, no, What you
should be doing is getting all of these people who
are emotionally invested in you and love you and using

(49:12):
them as free labor to make yourself rich, right exactly,
Like that's that's the class and what he's doing there
is he's taking the logic of a multi level marketing company.
All of these all of these like Avon kind of
fucking bullshit companies where they are these different like essential
oil companies that we've talked about for years on the show,

(49:33):
where like all rely on, Hey, your friends need this makeup,
your friends need these supplements, your friends need this shitty
low quality leggings, and you can make a lot of
money getting them to sell and getting them in your upline,
and you know, that's one of the things that's ruined
like the social Internet. Facebook has become a place where

(49:55):
like people you knew fifteen years ago get in touch,
pretending to be your friend and then try to get
you to like become a do Terra representative or some shit.
He's using this logic because he knows that it works.
But instead of the thing that is obviously shady and
that people have kind of more defenses built up around,
which is like, hey, try to get your family to

(50:16):
like buy into this business, what he's saying is like, no, no,
get him to work for you, you know, offer them
like a share of profits or something to which obviously
you know. And he goes into later detail about how
you can fuck them over on that. But he's he's
he's taking this thing that has been a part of
American grift culture for forever and he's he's twisting it

(50:37):
in a way that is I think kind of it is.
It is new, and this is part of like the
thing that he does that's intelligent, but it's also just
very transparently awful and evil.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, very predatory towards.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Extremely predatory super and speaking of extremely predatory. I want
to dig into the business genius of Andrew Tate here
because it is worth going into kind of the inevitable
sort of conclusions you have to make based stuff of
what he's saying. In the example that he's given, that

(51:13):
fifteen year old kid has no reason to give you
the money that he's making mowing lawns, right because he's
doing all of the work to advertise and to actually mow.
You only get your percentage he doesn't mention earlier, like
one of your assets is being strong. The only ways
to get a percentage from him are either literally just
the threat of violence or gaslighting, making him think that

(51:35):
he's going to make more money than he is and
that you won't be making as much money as you
are from his labor. And this is true of the
cam girls too. His only actual advice boils down to
various forms of robbery. And this is particularly clear when
he starts talking about the profit making potential of Uber,
which is already exploitative. But Andrew Tate, I'm going to

(51:56):
play this next clip to you. This is him talking
about how to use Uber in your own business to
make money via child labor.

Speaker 7 (52:04):
Rent a car.

Speaker 6 (52:05):
Find a way to rent a car with unlimited mileage
per month. Tell him he's gonna do ten hours of
Uber a day to train how to drive.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
Lie to his.

Speaker 6 (52:13):
Ass and say that you in the Uber app you
can track and make sure he ain't breaking the speed limits,
so you drive safe. Put his ass on Uber, pay
for his gas and keep and give him half the
money and keep half for yourself. Bang done, Set him up,
Get him ready. This is shit I didn't plan. I'm
just telling you things off the top of my head
because this is how I think as a hustler. I
don't need to sit and think. I just know there's money,

(52:35):
and I find a way to get the money.

Speaker 7 (52:38):
That's how I am.

Speaker 6 (52:39):
So right now, you've got cousins out there who aren't
driving Uber. If you can convince them to drive Uber,
well then why don't they do it without you?

Speaker 4 (52:46):
Easy?

Speaker 6 (52:46):
You can talk some shit, make some shit up. Hey,
if you got an Uber account, No, I'll set it
all up for you. Because it's complicated and there's some tax.
I'll handle the tax. Don't pay no tax.

Speaker 7 (52:55):
Just fly blah blah blah. Get him an Uber, get
him in cars, bang, bang bank.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
So he just assumes everyone around him is stupid.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
And stupid and trusting. He assumes that, like, hey, your
cousins probably trust you lie in order to rob them,
So make them work for you for basically nothing, and
steal the money they make.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
They suggested making money off of women. He's sex trafficking.
Old mother was thrown around and lit all children.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Yeah, those are his business out. Don't forget the makeup
company that does not sell makeup. He is god. Forget
the finest capitalistic mind of a generation.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Maybe she's born with it and maybe it doesn't exist.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Actually makeup. It's so funny that like people talk about
how smart this guy is, and like, chard he changed
my We'll get into like why people talk about him
changing their lives and all this shit, but like for that,
at the end of the day, what he's offering here
is like, hey, rob your friends and family. It's the

(54:06):
same MLM thing, but he has and this is I
think credit seems like a weird way to say it,
but it is needful to acknowledge this is an innovation.
The way in which he is telling people to rob
their friends and family in order to try to get rich,
and it won't work for them. Most of them. This obviously,

(54:27):
I think this is what Tate does. He has his
brother work for him and his cousin's work for him.
If you are the right kind of psychopath, you can
make money this way. It's just that even of the
people who are interested in Hustler's University, most of them
are not that kind of psychopath, and so they're not
going to be successful, or they're just not a smart
enough psychopath.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Robert, did you say how much people were paying for
this class?

Speaker 2 (54:52):
So these were It changed over time. At first it
was like a per class thing. Eventually it's going to
change to a monthly fee. And obviously actual sales figures
you're never going to get. But Tate makes like in
the millions of dollars for all of this. Yeah, off
of the version one, and he iterates quickly. By twenty

(55:13):
twenty one, he ditched the like courses and picking up
women and running can businesses to focus on this new venture,
like this thing that he does because this is like
the early version of Hustler's University, this is the thing
that works really well. And so he decides, being intelligent
in a very specific way, he decides he's going to
spin this into the main business that he's going to do,

(55:33):
and he he opts to in twenty twenty one relaunch
Hustler's University as Hustler's University two point zero and we're
going to get into that.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
And it's just what a wonderful innovative title.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
It's so infuriating because it's like kind of brilliant, like
the timing of it, because like twenty twenty twenty twenty one,
a lot of people are out of work or have
more free time at their day to hustle, ready to hustle,
make make some extra cash on the side, and he's
just like praying on that.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
It's also like tis time away specifically, I want to
just emphasize on that a lot of kids are home alone,
a lot of kids are are doing remote learning school
and have access to whether that be a computer or
an iPad or some kind of digital device, and our
home alone without supervision, and you know, the the algorithms

(56:21):
have brought them to and dow Tate and.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
And he got them, and.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
He's he's got them, and he's he's offering them. The
other thing that's happening here too. You know, they're we're
talking around this they're at home is the pandemic. They're
they're lonely. Also, the cost of living is skyrocketing and people,
especially in the UK. This is less the case in
the US, but in the UK, where's a lot of
his fans, there's like a financial crisis hitting right, Like

(56:47):
things have not been great for the last year to
change over over in the United Kingdom, which is why
it's so easy to uh to to buy things with
British pounds right now. Sorry, y'all, it just is at
the moment, and so Tate is recognizing that, Like there's
a lot of young kids who are starting to come
into the economy and realizing how hard it is to

(57:10):
just tread water, and so they're desperate for anything that
will give them a hope of getting out of the
fucking con game that is life under capitalism. And that's
that's what fucking Tate is is taking advantage of, is
these kids who are looking for a hack to get
out of the trap. And yeah, we're going to talk

(57:31):
about what he does next and how well it fucking works,
and spoilers will have an appearance from Alex Jones in
Part four, the final part of this glorious series. But first,
Ian Sophie, y'all, y'all got stuffs to plugss.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Ian, what do you have to plug anything?

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Yeah, Ian h I.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
Would say, uh, just you know, check out Internet Hate Machine.
It's one of the other.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
More like Internet Tate Machine. Sorry, that's not right at all.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
That's not what the show is about.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
No, it's not.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
That's another cools On media show that I work on.
It's a great show with Bridget Todd, really relevant and
interesting topic about the healthscape that is social media right now.
And I would also just say plug just being kind
to others, you know, being a nice, respectful person in

(58:29):
this world. It's life is already hard enough. It's free
to not be an asshole. So i'd say that.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Wow, you say it's free to not be an asshole,
But if you consider the fact that by not putting
your mom and your child cousins to work, you're leaving
money on the table, it actually can be extremely expensive
not to be an asshole. You can hear more on
my nine hours series Robert committing crimes using your family
members as Patsy's University, I teach you.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Okay, I want to plug. Two books that are available
for pre order right now, the first of which is
Jamie Loftus's book about hotdogs called raw Dog. It is
available for pre order. Go to her go to her
social meds for all that info. And also our very
own Mercurt Kiljoy of Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff,
which Ian also edits has a book available for pre

(59:24):
sale also called Escape from Inzell Island. And I would
like to plug those two books. Check out both of
their social meds to get info on that bold and.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Heroic of you, Sophie, and I want to plug my
new business course, Crime Guy University, where I teach you
how to take You got a mom who's out of work,
You got some young cousins. Look, you can monetize that
shit through the simple, legal, easy method of getting them
to sell heroin for you.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
You know what, you know what's really about this business though, Robert,
then I get eighty percent.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Sophie does get eighty percent, which is why you should
listen to Sophie's sixteen hour course. That's card literally starting
a cartel, so that this is sponsored by our friends
at the Seamaloa Cartels. That's what we called Sophie.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
Anyway, We'll be back bye, We'll be back unfortunately, bye,
welcome back to Behind the Bastards, the podcast that I
just tried to introduce badly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Uh, and I then completely forgot to start recording. So
I'm I'm I'm great, I'm so good.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Uh we do we have a guest? What's the name
of the show. What's happening?

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
I don't know, Sophie, do we have a guest?

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Who?

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Who are we?

Speaker 8 (01:00:57):
What do we do?

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Where are we?

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
This is Behind the Bastard. You're Robert Evans. I'm I'm
your overlord, Sophie Lichterman. And our guest is Ian Johnson,
our wonderful player.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Hi, Ian, Hey, Sophie, Ian Johnson, incredible editor, Sophie podcast
and feuror.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
The time he's done that, and it's cringey every time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Be the last note will not.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
You know, we're talking about Andrew Emerie Tate and boy
howdy are we talking about Andrew Marie Tate. We just
finished talking about Hustler's University. Uh, and we're about to
get into Hustler's University two point zero because Andrew understands
branding if nothing else. But before we get into that,

(01:01:48):
I wanted to talk a little bit, so obviously, while
this is going on while he's launching this series of
online classes and deliberately courting controversy online by saying like
fucked up shit about women to go viral. He's also
constantly guesting on every right wing podcast that will have him,
and because of the world is the way it is,

(01:02:08):
info Wars is the first place he's able to really
get some traction, and he's going to abandon them as
soon as he can, like everybody who gets their start
on info Wars, because it's a dead end. You want
to escape Info Wars and get on. He's going to
eventually be interviewed by like fucking Pierce Morgan and shit,
but at first he's reliant upon them. And Alex Jones

(01:02:31):
sees the potential in this guy and decides, I want
to try and make Andrew a part of my business,
which is the thing that Alex does regularly. And it
leads us to this beautiful ad for the supplement line
that Alex made branded based on Andrew Tate. So here's
an ad for Andrew Tait branded Info Wars supplements. Oh boy,

(01:02:51):
oh this is this is a real treat for everyone.

Speaker 7 (01:02:53):
Oh boy, to get a job, the man, to get
a job.

Speaker 6 (01:02:57):
They inflate the currency so nobody can exist any other
way because it's too expensive. The parents are out working
all day the school and the internet and the matrix
raise your children.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Your children go to school all.

Speaker 6 (01:03:06):
Day and be told things that you may not want
them to learn. Then they sit on the Internet and
read things and watch things you may not want them
to watch. You talk to them for ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
At the end of the day they go to bed.

Speaker 6 (01:03:15):
You're fighting with your ten minutes against endless hours of
the most entertaining programming or the most forceful programming in
School's forceful on the internet. It's entertaining convincing them of
ideas that you perhaps don't agree with. I've seen it
myself on YouTube. I've seen a guy in America driving
his car and his kids were in the back seat
and he was arguing with them about an issue, and
they was like, where did you hear that school? He's like,

(01:03:36):
why did the school tell you that that's not true?
And his own children are arguing with him because they
learned to in school. Have you ever tried to take
your children out of school? You'll get fined, you get
in trouble. No, your kids have to go to school.
You have to give your kids away to the school.
If you don't give your kids away to the brainwashing,
you'll get in trouble. As an all star fighter businessman,
motivational speak.

Speaker 9 (01:03:54):
Switches incredible, it is it is, that is like a
paling here we go, this is so away, I thought,
and something up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
No, just us in with like this mix of Christian
conservative fear mongering and like divorce dad fear mongering. Oh
it's perfect, it's perfect. And then we get Alex let's go.

Speaker 8 (01:04:18):
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Speaker 6 (01:05:09):
I think there's a whole bunch of men in the
world who understands my value. And if men grow up
to be like me, you're gonna have a whole bunch
of people with no criminal record, dedicated athletes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
All right, that's probably yeah, no criminal record.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Oh, buddy jump spares in that video, so first one
music amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
It's a.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Third of all Jake Paul's face.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Oh yeah, Like.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
Did you see the names of the supplements on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
The yah, let's go through that. That's probably that's that's
probably it was.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
It was they were like those names from that Like
other video we watched in the last episode was like
sheer per per. I don't even know those words, like sheer, predacity, orpacity, yeah, perspecacity,
those are like the names of the supplements.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Yeah. Because he's trying to do like a Muhammad Ali thing, right,
Like Muhammad Ali would always describe himself and he's very
flurid off in like rhyming terms. But Muhammad Ali also
could back up every single thing he said about himself,
which mister Tait cannot. But it also doesn't matter because
it's all about it's all about making making the image work.

(01:06:22):
So by twenty twenty one, Andrew Tate's image is working
very well. He has become one of the most popular
accounts on Twitter, on Instagram, He's got a pretty prominent YouTube.
He is huge on TikTok. You know, we're talking like
millions and millions of followers, and combine several billion impressions

(01:06:43):
just in like the top g term on TikTok and shit.
And so he launches Hustler's University two point zero. So
he had been selling a bunch of different classes. He
pairs that down and he focuses just on money making schemes.
And the gist is this, For about fifty dollars a month,
you get the CLA classes for free, and you also
get let into this discord.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Sorry, for fifty dollars a month, you get the classes
for free. So but what about the fifty dollars a month.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Well, sorry, you don't get the classes for free. For
fifty dollars a month, you get access to the classes
and to a series of Discord rooms. Discord is like
a chat service. You can do voice and text chat.
And basically what he's what he is selling is I've
built this community of people who have gotten rich using
my tactics, and if you pay this monthly fee, then

(01:07:33):
you'll get to hang out with us and they will
coach you on how to make money and you can
watch all of our videos on how to make money too.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
And damn it, that's like kind of brilliant on two levels.
And I hate him for it because a subscription model
is just passive income coming in every month if as
long as you can maintain that subscriber base. And now
he has other people doing the work for him, other
community doing the teachings he doesn't even.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Have to do, and the schemes that he's because he has,
Like you get to pick like one of three or
four different money making paths to go down when you
join Hustler's University. It's a little like a video games, yeah,
but and they're all kind of boring. Basically, you can
choose to either learn how to day trade like do
stock trading, or learn how to sell cryptocurrency, or learn

(01:08:19):
how to run like a copywriting mill where you're basically
paying people pennies to write like terrible, shitty fake books
to take advantage of Amazon's algorithm and trick people into
paying like two dollars for There's also a lot of
Amazon affiliate shit. A bunch of it involves taking advantage
of like the ways that Amazon works, And it's one

(01:08:40):
of those things. If you watch YouTube and you don't
have YouTube read or whatever the fuck YouTube calls their
subscription service, which I don't because I'm lazy, you get
all these like shady ads for people telling you like
I'm gonna teach you how to make a bunch of
money off of YouTube, or I'm off of Amazon, Like
did you know that you could get rich, you know,
creating Amazon affiliate like so with Audible or whatever. That's

(01:09:02):
all he's doing. But instead of selling it as like
this shady video just on how to make money using Amazon,
he's giving you access to this community of distinguished men
who all smoke cigars and post pictures of how much
money they're making. And because all these other guys, again,
it's taking a lot of these MLM tactics where you're

(01:09:22):
surrounding yourselves in this community of other men who are
going to be bragging constantly that they're making money. So
you feel like, if I'm not making money, it's not
because this video is bullshit. It's because I'm not hustling
hard enough. I'm not taking advantage of all of the
great advice that I've gotten. It's a pretty clever thing
to do, and he does encourage his people like post

(01:09:44):
your sales, post what you're making this month, and all
of that's kind of gamed, and a lot of it's
very scammy, and the same way that like a lot
of MLM stuff is where it's like, yeah, just post
your raw sales, don't tell people what your nett is,
don't tell people how much money you had to put
into the business to make it work. All that good
stuff Tate again, is barely present on the actual Hustlers
University discord. But what he does do is when he

(01:10:07):
launches this new version of the service, he spins up
his media appearances and like all these different right wing
podcasts and hustler culture podcasts to push the store, and
he also alters his branding. At this point, earlier, he'd
kind of been indistinguishable from he'd been kind of at
the nexus of pickup artist and al right, political weirdo,

(01:10:28):
but he increasingly pivots to positioning himself as kind of
like a jacked and rich Jordan Peterson. And I want
to play you a video that gives you an example
of that.

Speaker 6 (01:10:38):
Let's quickly talk about like the red pill the day
game guys, and this is why they're wrong, and this
is what they don't understand.

Speaker 7 (01:10:44):
Listen to me, and I'll teach you how.

Speaker 6 (01:10:45):
To get girls on tender and I'll teach you how
to go out and get girls in the mall all day.
If you are walking around the mall all day or
you're tendering all day, you are giving out attention. You're
giving out more than you'll ever get back because you're
a man. You're giving attention out and you don't get
enough back. So that's an energy deficit. And the zapps

(01:11:05):
you love your powers before you know you're gonna end
up one of them little red pill doors sitting there.

Speaker 7 (01:11:10):
The man is you're of an alpha bro.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
You're five foot seven. You're not fucking alpha. How are
you an alpha?

Speaker 7 (01:11:16):
You're like five foot at alpha.

Speaker 6 (01:11:18):
Wa walk into a fucking room of basketball players multimillionaire
six foot five.

Speaker 7 (01:11:24):
And talk about how alpha you are because of your YouTube.

Speaker 6 (01:11:27):
Teen fucking these guys, even a dream Alpha has always,
for the longest period of human time, meant capability for violence.
That's what Alipha has always meant. Apex preadit a little
short dude, All right, of course you are. Let's let's
just let's not even let's meet, and let's not even talk.
Let's meet and let's just measure our heights. Let's just
take a picture side by side of me and you,

(01:11:49):
and let's talk about al alpha you are. Afterwards, doors
so they're giving out energy, they don't get energy back.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
The correct way to get pussy like I have is to.

Speaker 6 (01:12:00):
Absorb the energy from everyone in the room and then
expel it in a fireball, a lightning strike of power
and prowess.

Speaker 7 (01:12:09):
So all the bitches want to fuck you, and they
pray you come and say hello. That's how you get bitches.
You don't go and beg them and give energy away.

Speaker 6 (01:12:18):
No, you steal the energy from every other male and
then you expel it in a ball of fucking lightning.

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
What's happening behind him sounds like he's been watching a
lot of dragon.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Yah, Yeah, Like what the hell is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
He talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Behind someone's cleaning his house?

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
But why is she so close to him?

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Because he likes to show you that, Like that's a
big part of his He does this in all of
his like a lot of his videos. He'll make sure
that like his cleaning lady or one of his camgirls
is like doing a task behind him to like make
the point that he's got all these women working for him, right,
Like that's that's a huge part of the tap myth.
But what he's doing here in this video is interesting

(01:12:59):
to me. He's he's deliberately, he's he's he's positioning himself
as the opposite of both these whiny men's rights activist
guys and of the standard pick up artist crew. And
he's all this talk about height, let's talk about alphas.
He is playing two in cells because like he knows
that very young men, mostly in their late teens, who
are like angry about the fact that girls don't like

(01:13:21):
them and angry about the fact that like they're there,
they don't have all of the money and success they
think that they're owed that Like that's his that's his business, right,
that's his fucking bread.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
And butter, and is he why is he choosing to
like alienate all the short people.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
He's not, He's not. This is actually a two part
con And what he's doing here is he's getting them.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
So I was gonna say, it's like kind of sounds
like he's like dunking on exactly who he like is targeting.
But I think it's probably like a little reverse.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
He is doing, yes, some some negging and stuff right
to get the to get these guys riled up. But
he's also so if you remember back, if I don't
know any of you, read Elliot Rodgers manifesto Eliot Roger
being the first in cell mass shooter. He talks a lot,
and he, like the entire in cell community, was formed
initially as reaction to pick up artistry, right, all of

(01:14:13):
these guys who feel like there's something inherently wrong with
their bodies that makes it impossible for them to pick
up women in an unfair way, or that feminism has
ruined it. Roger was obsessed that because he wasn't like
tall enough or white enough, right, that he was never
going to get a girl. They initially when they were
like younger, fell into pick up artistry and when that

(01:14:36):
didn't work because none of it works very well, they
became violent, psychopath like, they became violent right, Like they
decided like not only was the pick up artistry a
con but all of society deserved to pay for the
fact that they got conned by pickup artists. Andrew recognizes this,
and so the first thing he's doing is he is

(01:14:57):
going after the pick up artists, right, and he's going
after it in a way that's going to get all
these inceel dudes like agitated, but is also going to
play to the fact that they realize they're being conned
by these people. And I think that's an interesting choice.
And the other thing that he's doing, he starts by
talking about how like you're not alpha if you're not
tall enough, right, that all, but he's also framing it

(01:15:19):
as like these pickup artists aren't real alphas because they're
not big. And it sounds at first like he's kind
of going into this it's hopeless if you're not tall,
you'll never get a woman. That's actually not the claim
that he's making. I'm going to play you another clip
that's kind of an extension of his message that shows
how he's talking to these insell folks. After he gets

(01:15:40):
through with the kind of slamming the uh slamming the
pickup artist crew, and the message that he has for
the actual people being taken advantage of by the pickup
artist community is kind of liberatory in a weird way.

Speaker 6 (01:15:54):
Now I have jenetic gifts, I understand you do not have,
but I've also worked on my jenay gis.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
I didn't just have them.

Speaker 4 (01:16:00):
You know, I worked.

Speaker 7 (01:16:01):
But even if you, if you did the work I did,
you'd still be tap one percent, even without the genetics,
because you have no idea how hard I've worked.

Speaker 6 (01:16:07):
But the point is, if I teach you how to
absorb energy from everyone else around you, then you instantly
become the most powerful person in the room. So there's
not only so much about being big and being strong
and having a lambo. It's about absorbing energy and attention.
So you people do not understand. And ninety nine percent
of the things people teach you, they teach you how.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
To expel energy.

Speaker 6 (01:16:27):
You can expel and lose huge amounts of energy chasing
bitches and trying to make money. You don't get enough back.
Whereas if you can flip the script, then the whole
world changes.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
This is what you need to understand, so that right there,
he's insufferable? Is it that?

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
That's this is worth really drilling into and paying attention to,
because this is an extremely appealing message to the kind
of young men who are like on the edge of
where Elliott Roger was right, These children and it are
these guys they're starting out in the world. Mostly we're
talking young white teenagers, though not exclusively, but like men,
and it's hard out there. Obviously, it is still easier

(01:17:08):
to be a man or a white man than it
is to be basically anything else, but it's not as
much easier as it used to, right, And some of
that's because things are less unfair than they used to
be in some regards, and some of it's just because
the economy's gotten worse. The world has gotten harder a
number of things. There's a lot of shit's gotten uglier.
Capitalism has kind of gotten more undeniably brutal, even to

(01:17:32):
the chunk of people who were initially being lifted up
by it. And so these kids get out there and
shit's not as easy. They're not getting handed the things
that they're supposed to get handed, and a lot of
them turn nihilistic, and the radical right has always targeted
men in this age group and socioeconomic group. And these

(01:17:52):
are again young people who recognize and some of what
they're recognizing, like with Robert Blise Folks is fair. There's
a degree a lot of atomization in our society. It
is not encouraged for men to have like intimate friendships
with other men. It's deeply lonely, it's deeply competitive in
a way that's really vicious. And these people are suffering,

(01:18:12):
and the Right always has has made a lot of
their early recruitments by kind of coming in and finding
these men trying to make sense of their suffering and
offering them an answer. But while the kind of in
cell youth culture that has been deeply influential online is
super nihilistic, Tait is reaching out to these people and

(01:18:34):
he's preaching to these awkward, nerdy kids with social anxiety,
but he's offering them a sense of hope where he's like, yeah,
you're not going to be like me because you're not
six three, if you're like five to seven, but if
you put in the work I've put in, you can
still be in that top one percent, right, it's about
taking and absorbing energy. And I have these tactics. Your
genetics are not the only thing that matters. Right, You
can actually overcome that with enough work and find a

(01:18:58):
way to make money and get you know, women, right,
Like that is actually the pitch that he's making. And
for the people who are kind of adjacent to these
in cell communities, that's a more optimistic pitch than they've
been getting from a lot of people. Again, if you
spend a lot of time on some of these in
cell boards, it's dude's obsessing with like, oh, because of

(01:19:18):
the my chin is only this wide and not this wide,
so it's physically impossible for a woman to love me,
or like I have this like epicanthic eyefold or whatever,
Like my nose is this size, and so I will
never have sex and like this is a biological reality.
And what Tait's actually saying is the people telling you
this are full of shit. But also like, I have

(01:19:40):
a tactic for how you can and it just involves
hard work. It doesn't matter that you don't have these
genetic gifts. You actually can overcome that. And this is
when you start talking about Tait on any kind of
open forum. Right, You're going to get people coming in
and saying some version of He's the only reason I'm alive.
He kept me from killing I sell for like I

(01:20:00):
think he's talking to And this is because as toxic
as he is, finding Andrew Tait, if you are one
of these young men who might have gone Elliott Roger
might be better for you than like falling down the
rabbit hole you would have fallen down before him. That's
not a necessarily an inaccurate statement.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Right, he tricks them into having home.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Yeah, exactly. And again the point I'm making here, I
am not saying that he is a net good. He's
absolutely not. But when people people who are specifically look
like we're kind of in danger of falling into this
in cell rabbit hole, if they find Tait, that might
be better for them than the road they would have
gone down. Now that's a small subset of the folks
who are actually encountering his stuff. But when people make

(01:20:46):
that point, it's not there's not nothing there, and it's
not because Tate cares about saving kids. It's because this
is how to get money from them, right exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
And it just speaks to again how exploited of the
whole thing is because you're already you're going after these
people who are already very clearly vulnerable and at a
low point, and you're just praying on that and taking
advantage of it. And it's just like, yeah, it's just disgusting.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
It's all disgusting. But I also think it's really worth
understanding the degree to which he understands the online ecosystem.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
He's feeding it, right, and that's why telling them that,
you know, their greatest insecurities don't matter as long as
they're you know, they try to be like him and
be bilt off Man.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Yeah, be a top g Yeah. But one of one
of his big lines is you don't have to be
handsome if you're scary why, which he means that like
ugly dudes can get women if they're jacked, which is
again that's very bad. Although you could argue it's better
than you should drive a car into a crowd because
you'll never find love, right, So this is why people

(01:21:52):
make that argument. It's not It doesn't mean that he's
a net force for good because spoiler, he is not.
He's a terrible person and his own overall impact is
a ton of harm. But on this specific community, there
is an argument to be made, and that's where that
argument comes from, right. Yeah, And again the idea that
like he shouldn't be deplatformed because he's gonna save all

(01:22:13):
these in cells is nonsense. It's just not coming out
of nowhere, right, because that is where his money comes from. Right,
That's the group of people he's decided to take advantage of.
And I do think in the long run he might
wind up having just as much of a negative effect
on these kids as the pickup artist's hat on Elliott Roger.
It just hasn't been going on that long because eventually
they're going to see none of what he says works, right, Like,

(01:22:36):
in the long run, it's not going to work. It's
just in the short term less nihilistic than drive your
car into a crowd, although it might still end in
the same place. But you know who won't tell kids
to oh boys. So if he just rolled ads, ah,

(01:23:00):
we are back. So Tait is kind of while a
lot of his pitch is laser targeted at young men
going down that specific in cell rabbit hole, once he
kind of captures that demographic again, he's an innovator. He
starts to broaden his appeal as fast as he can
because he wants to reach as many vulnerable young men
as he possibly can. And he is a cognizant person

(01:23:23):
of the time that he's in. He recognizes there's a
lot of movement and there's a lot of cultural momentum
behind certain left wing ideas, including criticisms of capitalism. I
actually think people don't recognize enough how superficially critical of
capitalism Andrew Taitus and how much of his appeal comes
from that. And to kind of exhibit that, I want

(01:23:44):
to play a clip from him on the Fresh and
Fit podcast, which he is sitting in between like eight
seven or eight women who look like they're all Instagram
kind of done up in influencer type people.

Speaker 6 (01:23:59):
Yeah, that's bullshit, that slave mind garbage feminists, racist garbage,
crap that's been put in your brain that you need
to resist. Absolutely nothing to do with Eurocentric's bullshit.

Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
It's garbage.

Speaker 7 (01:24:12):
You need to resist that kind of shit. I'm telling
you the problems with.

Speaker 6 (01:24:15):
The world today are very, very specific, and I state
this without patronizing you.

Speaker 7 (01:24:20):
I don't want to patronize you. I'm an old man.
I've been around the block.

Speaker 6 (01:24:23):
The problems in the world today exist because the people
who are in charge of the world have done a
very very clever thing. They've specifically designed the world in
which a way that the people at the bottom, because
we're all at the bottom, even me with all my millions, right,
the people at the bottom are so busy fighting with
each other that we never look up and realize we're
getting fucked. And the reason they do that the blacks

(01:24:45):
hate the whites, Republicans take the Democrats, the men hate
the women. Eurocentric He said this, you don't have pay
gap blah blah blah. It's all slave mind shit to
keep us all fighting amongst each other. Do you think
when a billionaire who's black meets a billionaire who.

Speaker 7 (01:25:00):
White, they talk about race.

Speaker 6 (01:25:02):
No, you think a white You think a female billionaire
a male billionaire meet they start talking about eurocentricism, feminist
fucking garbage.

Speaker 7 (01:25:09):
No, no, stop buying into that ship. It's a fucking trick.
It's a fucking lie, all of it. Throw it away.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Throw it the fuck away.

Speaker 7 (01:25:16):
If you want to be attractive as a female, you
know what you need to do.

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
You need to go to the gym.

Speaker 7 (01:25:19):
Just because Myron said it just because Myron said it.
You need to be smart enough.

Speaker 6 (01:25:25):
You need to be smart enough to not let yourself
get triggered by the fact that he just said something
you're not used to hearing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
That's all it is.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
That's all it is.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
So every second of that it is, it is miserable.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
But he's again, that is a superficial kind of class
analysis right where he's talking about billionaires all have solidarity
with each other. Uh, we're all we're all poor. And
he's again he's lying about this. He is he is,
he's a multi millionaire, possibly multi hundreds of millions of dollars.
But you see what he's doing. He recognizes everyone hates

(01:26:04):
these billionaires everyone. You cannot ignore inequality and the role
that it has on Like why all these young men
who are vulnerable to my message, you're suffering? So I
have to fucking play to that. Right, and again he
is offering this kind of he starts with this thing
that has elements of left wing analysis to it, elements
of like, you know, capitalism is a con game. The

(01:26:26):
rich are a class, and they have solidarity with each other,
and they're trying to keep you guys fighting so that
you don't organize against them. There's pieces of left wing
analysis there. But then Tait's solution is not dismantled the system.
It's not go after these guys. It's treat it like
a trap you escape by getting rich and jacked. Right,

(01:26:46):
that's the way that that's the way it's to say. Again,
look back to Robert Bli, where he's he's very accurately stating,
here are some fucked up things capitalism is doing the men.
Here are ways in which capitalism and the patriarchy is
harming men. The solution is for men to like go
out into the woods and play drums and learned how
to hunt and stuff. Not the solution is for men

(01:27:08):
and women to organize to make a more just society
that doesn't harm us in these ways. It takes doing
a version of the same thing. Like Bli, he's diagnosing
parts of the problem, and then the thing he's selling
you is, here's how you personally can get out of
it by doing this thing that feeds money to me.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Right, he's insufferable, He's insufferable, but it works.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
Yeah, And obviously other people are pushing pieces of this
message on young folks. But his presentation is the most polished.
He is a good speaker, and I don't mean that
in the you should like the way he speaks. I
mean it. And he's effective at speaking and getting his
message across.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
He always the most obnoxious in the room. He's the
lads in the room, and you make sure of that
he does.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
And if you watch him with these these young men,
like these other male influencers on their podcasts, he's so
good at sucking energy from them, like he actually does
know how to do that. He's very good at talk,
not just not even talking over them, but at making
the focus of the conversation whatever he wants it to
be and making himself the person that people are focusing on.

(01:28:24):
That's the thing he knows how to do.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
And it's it's it's, it's yeah. And I think probably
the smartest thing he's done in this whole process is
co opt the Matrix movies in his messaging. And that
sounds very silly. The thing that Tate does is he
basically he positions the matrix is the normal world where
you like work for some company forty or whatever hours
a week just to scrape by and if you're lucky,

(01:28:49):
maybe buy a house someday. And the thing that Andrew
tells people is that, like, this is what you have
to break out of, right, not not that like you
have to make a more equable system, but you have
to escape the matrix like Neo does. And it's just
about freeing yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:29:04):
And yeah, for everybody else, it's just about getting yourself here.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
And once he gets kids to accept that idea, the
thing he tells them that they need to drop out
of school and spend the money they would spend on
college on Hustler's university. That is, that is a massive
part of his pitch. And again it's it's not hard
to see why this stuff is appealing to a lot
of young kids. It's married to some of the worst
misogyny imaginable too.

Speaker 8 (01:29:27):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
He tells young men that they should not learn how
to cook. That's a waste of time. They should find
a woman to cook for them. They should focus on
making money. Women shouldn't be allowed to leave the house,
they shouldn't have friends of their own. This is all
stuff that Tate preaches to alongside the stuff that's less
fucked up in Tate's ideology, women being able to have
their own careers, and lives is also part of the matrix.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
He starts from this reasonable position capitalism is kind of
a con job, and then he pivots to telling kids
that the real con is anything that limits the ability
of young men to do whatever they want in any way.
And I want to play you now a video that
he made to advertise Hustler's University two point zero, because it's.

Speaker 7 (01:30:10):
Something else you cannot stop, you cannot give up.

Speaker 6 (01:30:13):
You're in the most fantastic place on the planet for
making money, Hustle's University, and the only person who can ruin.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
That is you.

Speaker 7 (01:30:19):
Most of you are happy to be losers part time.
You want to escape. That's why you joined.

Speaker 6 (01:30:24):
You don't want to be a loser anymore. But then
that new video game comes out. I'll just play the
video game. I'll just be a loser for two more weeks.

Speaker 7 (01:30:30):
Then I'll get back to trying to escape the matrix.

Speaker 6 (01:30:33):
It doesn't work that way because you jump it out
of complacency from I'm happy to be a loser and
do loser things to I can't be a loser anymore.
When you're jumping it out, you never get momentum. You
cannot quit. You cannot give up. You need that momentum
to break free. When a rocket is flying out towards
the moon, to escape the atmosphere.

Speaker 7 (01:30:49):
It doesn't fucking pause halfway up the sky, does it. No,
it keeps going.

Speaker 6 (01:30:54):
Every single second you're not in Hustle's University, there are
things happening, conversations happening that you're not watching. Information that
could be the one little piece of information you need
to break out. It could be that one little sentence
that changes everything. You're in Hustle's University and you're gonna
make money, but it ain't easy. It ain't gonna be
given to you on a plate. You're gonna have to work.
You're in competition with the entire world. Everyone wants to escape.

Speaker 7 (01:31:17):
You cannot be lazy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Okay, that's probably enough.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
The filming on this is so weird, Like he Yah
jumps back and forth between his cars. He's like clearly
holding an empty mug to look at.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
I think filmed in a way that like is mints
that they can cut it up for TikTok more easily.
You see this with like the Liver King too. A
lot of these guys will their longer YouTube videos will
have kind of a weird vibe because they're mainly filming
it to cut it up for TikTok, But you see
here he's like, there's this fear of missing out. You're
not doing enough. You've got to break like free, you're

(01:31:52):
in competition with everybody else. And it's it's interesting because
when he's when he's talking this stuff, it's extremely modern
and it's it's almost a political right, like there was
not a thing in that that is like you could
super define as like a particularly political rant. Tate is
a very political guy, and when he gets into his

(01:32:13):
opinions about like women shouldn't be allowed to leave the house,
you realize he's actually kind of like a traditionalist religious fundamentalist,
which we will be building towards. But he's smart enough
that he doesn't get stuck in the traps that a
lot of religious fundamentalists fall into trying to reach out
to young men. He doesn't start with any of that.
It's stuff that kind of comes out later in some
of his other rants, and he gets this. There will

(01:32:36):
be moments where you can he will make these arguments
about stuff like military service that actually wouldn't seem out
of place if you're listening to some like left wing
bread tuber going on a rant. I want to play
you this clip here because again, it shows how much
he's kind of separated himself from the traditional right wing
grift sphere, or at least the traditional conservative grift sphere.

(01:32:59):
Think I think you're all.

Speaker 7 (01:33:00):
We're gonna go die for what, Biden. I'm trying to
protect American freedom.

Speaker 6 (01:33:04):
Yeah, you're gonna protect the freedom of those people in
Nebraska by going over to Yemen and bombing some thirteen
year old farmers. Great job, Stupid, you ain't protected nothing
but profits for companies that don't care about you.

Speaker 7 (01:33:14):
Should only protect yourself and your boys. I thought for
myself and the world champion got some money.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
You don't get any money.

Speaker 7 (01:33:20):
Your leg blown off, walk around one leg, mister.

Speaker 6 (01:33:22):
Limpy, mister limpy g for what for?

Speaker 7 (01:33:24):
Biden doesn't care about you. Don't be stupid, don't be
dumb them pure as that I'm joining.

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
See that's uh, that's a that's first of all, you
should only protect your boys. Made me sure audibly vomit.
But uh oh that's how we work.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
Harry at Cool Zone.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
No no, but uh, just like him going like firm
anti military and anti Biden, like you're you're clearly you
clearly know your audience.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Yeah, it's these it's these kids who grew up right
after because like I mean, Ian and Sophie and I
we all grew up kind of right in the wake
of nine to eleven and all of that, Like where
the military was this like sacred, uncriticizable thing in mainstream
American culture. That era is past, and it's i mean,
obviously in the UK it was always a bit different,

(01:34:17):
but like that era is well passed, and you actually
you can get I mean, Trump did versions of this
right when he would talk about how you're like a
loser if you get injured for your country. It would
always all these Democrats who are stuck in like two
thousand and six would always get like this has to
be the end for him. Look, he told people that like,
injured veterans are chumps, and it's like, no, it doesn't matter.

(01:34:38):
They're people are perfectly willing to say that they are
chumps because this could like modern conservatism, the modern right
is so purely focused on the grift and on personally
sucking as much money out as you can from people
around you that it doesn't matter. Tate realizes that there's
no need to be ashamed of this thing, and it
can draw in folks who are like been to listening

(01:35:00):
to these kind of left wing arguments. He starts to
make one there where he's like, all you're doing joining
the military is murdering kids and Yemen. You can find
versions of that and like Marxist like influence and influencer,
YouTube brands and show.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
It would be so curious to know the specific things
that he uh watched and read where he like, like,
what what specifically he learned? Yeah, yeah, I mean it's
it's yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
I think he spends a lot of time and he
says he spends all of his time online like he's
working at the time. I think a lot of I
think a lot of it is he's paying attention to
what's going viral where, and he's not just paying attention
to what goes viral on the right. And one of
the things that happened when he got arrested is you
had all of these left wing weirdos online, guys like

(01:35:54):
Vosh is the one that I remember most specifically being like, well,
you know, Andrew Tate's bad, but the left needs someone
like him, who can speak to young men in this way.
And it's like, well, all he's doing is he's using
these he's using his bait, little pieces of left wing
social analysis and class analysis in order to get people

(01:36:15):
on the hook, and then he's trying to sell them
on turning their fifteen year old cousins into uber drivers.
Like that is all that is here. There's no need
to replicate this. He's not actually offering people anything. He's
just the thing that he's promising them. Rather than like
the grinding act of trying to reform the world in
a more just way, he's promising them you can get

(01:36:36):
a Lamborghini. Well, yes, that's always going to be a
better pitch to a lot of people than if we
all work hard and fight like hell, we can make
the world more just. But you can't. There's no like,
there's no replicating what Tate's doing because the only thing
he's promising is a chance at like winning the lottery. Basically, right,
that's not actually a thing you should shoot for. That's

(01:36:57):
my opinion here. So all of the videos that I've
been playing for you, nearly all of them come from
fans who will compile clips of his various interviews and
podcast appearances and put them up on social media. Since
Tate has been banned from most platforms, this is the
only way his content gets out. But more than that,
it's part of a cohesive media strategy. That's how he

(01:37:19):
became famous in the first place. Tate built his empire
knowing that this would happen. And I'm going to quote
from The Guardian here. Since January, repackaged videos from interviews
with Tate over the years have been attracting millions of
views on TikTok, but in recent weeks this growth has accelerated.
In August. So far alone, clips tagged with his name
have been watched more than a billion times. The posts

(01:37:39):
do not come from Tate himself, who does not appear
to be active on the platform, but from hundreds of accounts,
often using his name and photo, run by his followers.
Members of Hustler's University, members, including boys as young as thirteen,
are told they can earn up to ten thousand dollars
a month through lessons on crypto investing, drop shipping, and
by recruiting others to Tussler's University, earning a forty eight

(01:38:00):
percent commission for each person they refer to have the
best chance of getting people to sign up. They are
advised to stoke controversy to improve their chances of going viral,
and one guy at Hustler's University's students are told that
attracting comments and controversy is the key to success. What
you ideally want is a mix of sixty seventy percent
fans and forty to thirty percent haters. You want arguments,

(01:38:20):
you want war. And this is the thing he did
that's brilliant. Or mid twenty twenty two, there was this
thing where all of these left wing influencers and liberal
influencers and media people found out about Andrew Tate, and
for weeks you could not miss him.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
He was every fund, he was everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
All of these mainstream media people like Pierce Morgan interviewed him.
There were a couple others. Someone at CNN talked to him.
I think like there were all these and all of
them were condemning him. All of them were attacking him.
A lot of them were making fun of him and
trying to show him as a loser. All it did
was make him millions of dollars. This is why when
people were celebrating like Greta dunking on him. I was like, guys,

(01:39:00):
this is how he got rich. Thankfully he happened to
get arrested after that, but like, this is how he
got rich. The only reason that we're doing these episodes
now is number one. I think the strategy, the whole
sweep of it is important. I wasn't willing to do
something like this until I thought there was a good
chance he's not getting out of fucking prison. I mean,
we'll see, he might still come back to it, but

(01:39:22):
I figured it was worth doing.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
It this And I think it's interesting that like his
reach where he was going on literally CNN, but also
was doing like he did like an interview on a.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
The Fit and Trim podcast, but also.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
Like he did an entire interview on this like TikTok
teen show with Barstool Sports BFFs.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
Yes, yeah, we'll have a clip from that in a
sense yeah, where it's like where it's like yeah, and
that's the thing, like.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
He doesn't have a TikTok and he's like the number
one guy on TikTok, or was for quite a while.
And that's that's an there's brilliance in that this was conscious.
He didn't luck into this, This didn't happen by accident.
He realized once he gets one hundred thousand or so people,
He's like, if you've got one hundred thousand people in

(01:40:15):
your discord thing following you, and you can get them
all posting, you can get fifty sixty thousand people a
day posting clip mashups of your interviews. Some of that's
gonna go viral. It's gonna be and it's gonna go
fucking and the algorithm will help carry you. And again
he part of this, he didn't come up like this
is part in part based on the fact that he
pays attention to what's been happening. So we notice is

(01:40:38):
Alex Jones has guys like Kanye on because he knows
that they're going to do provocative, racist shit that the
media will cover and that'll get his name trending even
though he's not on social media. He observes this and
then he goes more proactively after it. Right, what Tait's
done is he's taken the logic and the sense of
personal investment that you get in a pyramid scheme or

(01:40:58):
an MLM, and he's given and his followers a vested
financial interest in getting his content trending around the world,
and this worked incredibly well. The sudden rush of attention
Tate stuff got in twenty one and twenty twenty two
drove tens of thousands of mostly very young men to
Hustler's University and the war Room, which is his even
more exclusive discord that costs five thousand dollars a month

(01:41:19):
or five thousand dollars total to join. Now, both platforms
have strict requirements for their membership. If you pay five
grand to join the war Room, you're warned ahead of
time that you could be banned for any reason, costing
you five grand if you displease Andrew Tate, So you're
going to be invested in keeping him happy.

Speaker 1 (01:41:37):
That's meanwhiletively evil.

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
In one of the things you're told if you join
Hustler's University, he tells you if you don't pay every
month for this, it means you're not committed enough to
succeed and are definitely going to fail in life. I
can remember him doing like a call in show where
like one guy's like, yeah, I think I need to
take a month off from membership to buy my mom
a birthday gift, and he's like, well, if you weren't
a failure, you would have made that money already using

(01:42:00):
the skills you'd learned here, and what they do if
you if you miss a month of payments on Hustler's University.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
You're not You're not.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
You are siloed off to a separate discord where the
only thing posted in there is screen grabs of the
other member's profits.

Speaker 4 (01:42:18):
Oh my god, exactly, and come back. They want you
to find a way to get the money to exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
Yeah, And I'm going to continue with a quote from
that Guardian investigation. We conducted an anonymous experiment with a
blank account set up for a teenage boy, and we're
quickly shown content of Tait. After watching two of his videos,
we were recommended more, including clips of him expressing misogynistic views.
The next time the account was opened, the first four
posts were of Tate from four different accounts. In one video,
posted from an account with Tate's name and face, he describes,

(01:42:47):
matter of factly, how he expects his girlfriends to behave
I inflict I expect absolute loyalty from my woman, he says,
I am having my chicks talking to other dudes liking
other dudes. My chicks don't go to the club without me,
they are at home. This tactic has worked extremely well,
and the way that social media functions has ensured that
all the hate Tait receives does nothing but make his
brand stronger. In mid twenty twenty one, basically every liberal

(01:43:10):
and lefty yeah, I already talked about this, but yeah,
after he gets kicked off of social media, subscriptions to
Hustler's University only increase. Screenshots posted online showed that Hustler's
University two point zero had about twelve thousand subscribers in
March of twenty twenty two when kind of everybody started
attacking Andrew Tait. By July it had seventy seven thousand subscribers,

(01:43:31):
and at the start of August there were one hundred
and twenty nine thousand followers. By the end of August,
he starts to get even more media attention, and his
affiliate program that incentivized subscribers gets discontinued, which costs him
a bunch of people. So, like near the end of
that month, he goes down by like twenty five thousand
or so, But that's a temporary loss because By September,

(01:43:53):
he's back up to one hundred and sixty thousand subscribers.
In October, BuzzFeed observed more than two hundred and twenty
one thousand users in his discord server, which is Hustler's
university two point zero. Since all of those people were
paying forty nine to ninety nine a month, that means
he was making eleven million dollars in October alone just
from his discord.

Speaker 4 (01:44:13):
Holy shit, that's crazy. Yeah and yeah, and you know
he's not paying taxes on it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
He's already told you you shouldn't pay taxes on your shit.
Break the law right time. Point now, I think it's
important to see the way a lot of young men
react to and imitate Tait, because it could be easy
to dismiss him as just another weirdo right wing guy online.
If you don't see that, so, I'm gonna play you

(01:44:43):
a clip. This is of some kid. I think they're eighteen.
This is their TikTok. Watch this. Pay attention to his mannerisms.
You've all seen enough Andrew Tait now to recognize Tate.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
Pe will think that it's so hard to break the matrix.

Speaker 10 (01:44:58):
And I'm here to tell you it's not like I,
I mean, my first million dollars last year and in
the past twelve months, I was able to turn that
one million dollars into five point six million at eighteen
years old. By the way, and I'll tell you this
right now, I didn't do this by listening to no
brokeye teacher saying.

Speaker 7 (01:45:12):
Steady, steady, steady, steady for your degree.

Speaker 3 (01:45:15):
Fuck your degree. It is not hard to create your
dream life. Like, once you make that first one hundred k,
you are out. And if you follow the steps that
I give you and actually take action and make that
first one hundred k and not blow it on a
fucking penthouse or a lambeau, you will be out. So
stop waiting and join us. People think that it's so hard.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
Wow wow, Yeah, that's like.

Speaker 4 (01:45:38):
This is literally like Verbad him like clone of scent.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
Yeah, right down to like the facial expressions and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:45:45):
And he's and even like he's doing kind of a
weird like semi British accent thing in there something I
don't know, maybe the kid is British, but like every.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
And he's doing like the term brokey is one that
evolved within the taps.

Speaker 4 (01:45:55):
Can exactly the hand gestures like all of this.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
Yeah, that's like the thing, by the way, broke is
like that's what they tell you, Tait. People tell you,
like call your teachers that tell you, like the adults
around you who tell you not to obsess with Andrew
Tate's style, hustlers brokies because they're not multi millionaires, so
they're losers if you argue with these people online. The
question they're told to ask you is what color is
your Bugatti? By the way, the color of Andrew Tate's

(01:46:19):
Bugatti now is he doesn't have one because it's been
confiscated by the Romanian governments. But this again, you see
why this is like I mean just to for a
little bit of like personal context, when I was nineteen
to eighteen nineteen, like I started working, and it sucks,
Like working for minimum wage and trying to afford an

(01:46:40):
apartment was a lot easier fifteen sixteen years ago when
I was doing it, but like it's still sucked ass.
And the thing that I wanted more than anything was
to like figure out some job that would let me
work from home doing something that wasn't miserable, which is
like how I started my career in like tech journalism
and shit like that. Was my sole motivation was to

(01:47:03):
not have to spend forty to sixty hours a week
being miserable in an office in like for someone else's profit.
I didn't want to have to do that. And like,
I get how powerful a motivator that is. And there's
again this kid that we just saw, Like part of
what he's saying is like these teachers who tell you

(01:47:24):
to study for your degree, that's not going to help you.
And for a lot of people, he's right. I know
a shitload of people who got a fucking college degree
and it did nothing but lock them into debt. There's
there's a reason why kids are vulnerable to this shit,
and it's because doing things the quote unquote right way
is often deeply unpleasant. It's just that all Andrew Tate's

(01:47:44):
going to get you to do is give him money.
He's not going to teach you how to escape this system,
because you can't escape it. Like, even if you think
that you've escaped it because you've gotten a decent job,
you're still latched to it one way or the other,
Like it is still dracking behind you, which is why
we need to kill it with a spear. But anyway,
that's that's ads time for some ads. Ah, good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
So how I'm like good stuff? Not sure? How are
you gonna ask how we're feeling? U?

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
Yeah, how are you feeling? Is everybody doing?

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
Everybody happy, sad and concerned for a lot hearing happy.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
I'm hearing happy. That's good.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
Tell us more so.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
In the weeks before his arrest, Andrew was trending in
what is a legitimately fascinating direction. He announced at the
start of December of twenty twenty two that he had
converted to Islam. Now there is a whole video. There's
a number of them, but I watched a whole video
with him in some like weirdo Muslim scholar. I don't
know that this guy is a good It's unlike the
one Islam network, which has one point seven to four

(01:48:56):
million subscribers, this video has one point six million views.
The guy is Mohammed Jjab. I don't think he's a
good person. And I'm certainly not saying that he actually
knows or actually is a is an expert on Islam.
I don't know. I'm not certainly either, but boy, this
video is gross as shit. So he tait starts by

(01:49:18):
like saying that he had converted to Islam because he
decided it was the only real religion, right, all of
the other religions have been cucked by the matrix in
or fake. And he claimed he used to be an atheist,
but then he saw evil and that that convinced him
of the existence of God. And then we get to
my favorite part, which is the only thing that's entertaining
in this video and not deeply depressing.

Speaker 6 (01:49:40):
Longest time, you know, I've never been to like a
music concernd.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
I just look at it and I feel embarrassed.

Speaker 6 (01:49:48):
I look at someone up on a stage dancing round,
and I look at hundreds of thousands of peasants in
the crowd, just yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm like, it's embarrassing.
I'm I feel cringe, just like secondhand embarrassment when I
see these festivals and everyone's losing their mind, or these
music concerts, I genuinely feel embarrassed for the people who go,
because to me, that is a form of worship, Like

(01:50:09):
you can listen to the music at home for free,
Like you don't have to wait in that line and
stand out in the cold. I don't know, perhaps it
was a bit extreme, but I've always known that they're
trying to give us false idols to some degree. And
when I speak to atheists, atheists like, oh, I don't
believe in God, but they've signed up so hard to
the liberal woe agenda. They're as religious as anybody, but
they're just believing in the wrong things they're believing.

Speaker 2 (01:50:31):
So I think that's interesting because what clearly has happened
here is that Andrew Tait is a deeply malignant narcissist.
And if you go to a concert, part of like
what people get out of a concert is losing themselves
in a piece of another person's creation. And that would
mean that the focus is not on Andrew Tait, and
he's simply not only can he not enjoy it, but

(01:50:53):
it makes him sick. Yeah, to see other people be
a focus of attention, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
Live music is one of the greatest we have.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
It's the single best thing that our species has created.

Speaker 1 (01:51:05):
Like, but Andrew not and ert.

Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
I do think it's funny.

Speaker 4 (01:51:13):
It's like, but if people are looking at du Lipa,
that means.

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
No one paying attention to Andrew Tate. Yes, also there's
definitely videos of him at concerts.

Speaker 1 (01:51:22):
But at least that's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
It's very funny. It's also worth noting that Andrew Tate
and Jeff Bezos are buddies in baldness and not understanding
the gift of songs. So that's that's what it's neat
that they have that in common.

Speaker 1 (01:51:37):
They also both like to wear really tight pants, which
is they also both like to.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
Wear really tight pants. That is correct, although I gotta
say this, Jeff Bezos gave up half of his fortune
in the divorce, and I don't think that Andrew Tate
would have done that.

Speaker 4 (01:51:53):
So yeah, definitely not definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
So anyway, Tate was arrested before the end of twenty
twenty two alongside his brother Tristan, and two Romanian women,
one of whom was a former Romanian police officer. Some
of the articles I found that are Romanian will say
that the women were branded by him. This is not
entirely accurate. They're saying this because of like nexium right,

(01:52:18):
because the second season of The Keith Rinieri Dot came
out and those women had been branded. The reality is
that they have Tates girls tattoos, which we know exist.
I've seen pictures of them on a number of different
women and like, that's weird, but that is not branding.
People get tattoos, People get tattoos with dudes' names on them.
It's not branding.

Speaker 1 (01:52:36):
And somebody dramatically different.

Speaker 2 (01:52:39):
Yeah, again, the guy is deeply abusive, but he is
not Like, I have not seen any evidence these literally
branding women. They just got tattoos of his name, which
is like weird, but not what Keith Ranieri was having
women do. It is too early for me to comment
in much detail about the allegations against him. We do
know that at least two women I think it's up
to four now have accused one of the Tates, and

(01:53:02):
we don't actually know which of the Tates with physical
and sexual abuse. In addition, both Tits are accused, along
with those women, of sexually trafficking a number of women
for their webcam business.

Speaker 1 (01:53:13):
Do we think he throws brother under the bus to
save himself one million?

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
Yeah, I think there's a good chance. I don't think
Tristan would. Tristan I think is kind of Tristan's a
giant piece of shit, by the way, Like I think
that Andrew would throw Tristan under the bus before Tristan
would throw Andrew under the bus. Although I'm open to
being surprised. Here for a little bit of context on
the crimes, I'm going to quote from ruiters here. The

(01:53:38):
Directorate for Investigating Organized Crime and Terrorism said the suspects
appear to have created an organized crime group with the
purpose of recruiting, housing, and exploiting women by forcing them
to create pornographic content to be seen on specialized websites
for a cost. It claimed that the men recruited women
with the pretense of romance in the lover boy method
before being forced to perform in pornographic content under the
threat of violence. Investigators are reported to believe one of

(01:54:01):
the performers brought in forty five thousand dollars a month
or forty five thousand pounds a month, but received no payment,
and while the women were kept under house arrest. Tate
claims the women kept eighty to eighty five percent of
the fees earned and that most of the girls ended
up being multi millionaires. And look. Tate has his claim
here that's important to note, but we know that in
his Hustler's University video he recommends getting people to work

(01:54:23):
with you in a gig basis and then lying to
them about how much money they're making, so you can
take it all. So I think there's reason to believe
the Romanian authorities on this one. Now, the prosecution doesn't
just have that, they have audio that likely some of
it I think came from a wiretap. Some of it
seems to have been recorded by one of his victims.

(01:54:45):
Some of this audio has been leaked to apparently been
leaked to local Romanian news sources. Most of the translations
that I found have been from Romanians on edit on Reddit.
I'm not going to quote directly from it because I
just am not certain about the providence of all of
this yet. But some credible Romanian news sources are reporting that,
based on these leaked conversations that the prosecution has Tate

(01:55:08):
openly discusses using the women who worked for him to
launder Bunny and talks about the fact that he is
committing crimes. He does this very openly. They have him
recorded talking about the laws that he's broken. Because as
smart as he is in terms of how to get
himself going viral on TikTok, he's not comprehensive. Again, like
everything about Andrew, he's not as good as he thinks

(01:55:30):
he is, and in this case, it seems to have
bitten him in the ass. Now, it is worth noting
that Tate's house had been rated like six months before
his arrest, so he was aware that the police were
on him. It's kind of baffling to me that he
did not, and maybe it shows his arrogance that he
didn't try to flee the country with his assets or
as much of them as possible, and instead he kind

(01:55:53):
of seated his fan base with comments about the fact
that he was likely to be arrested or killed. This
is sort of a John McAfee, and I'm sure that's
who he's copying from. Here. Here's a clip from a
fan video I found with nearly seven hundred thousand views
at the time of publication of this episode.

Speaker 11 (01:56:09):
This right here is one of my eighteen audiobooks that
I own.

Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
It made another Audible.

Speaker 11 (01:56:16):
They're Spanish for kids, and I don't even speak Spanish. Okay, guys,
I paid fifty dollars here the audio, and I just
uploaded the file to Audible. But what's amazing about this?
I make about fifty to one hundred sales, and for
each sale I get paid, So.

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
Again, part of why Andrew is because this is he.
He will tell you how to do a version of
this scam, and so will a million other people. Part
of why take gets away with what he's doing is
we have built a culture in which every single mass
media organ is largely supported by a variety of scams
and cons designed to suck money from people and provide

(01:56:56):
them with nothing. Including That's how YouTube makes its money.
This is a huge amount of YouTube's advertising, like is
shit like this. That's why Andrew is able to maneuver
and act is that our culture has created the space
where it is all nothing but a series of cons
from the top to the bottom. Anyway, let's let's watch
this video now of him talking about how he's going

(01:57:17):
to be murdered for cracking the matrix.

Speaker 4 (01:57:19):
To think they're not.

Speaker 7 (01:57:21):
All I'm trying to do is teach men to be strong.

Speaker 6 (01:57:24):
If they decide to kill me on a long enough timeframe,
they're going to be successful.

Speaker 4 (01:57:30):
But I can't.

Speaker 6 (01:57:30):
I don't want to live in fear because what did
I say in the earlier tenant? If I become a coward,
I will live in fear and it breeds in action.

Speaker 1 (01:57:39):
The music amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:57:42):
I want the world to know about.

Speaker 6 (01:57:43):
Absolutely never ever kill myself under any circumstances. Ever, no
matter what they say, I did not kill myself. I
don't want to be seen as a threat to I
have to die. I want to be seen as a
positive force.

Speaker 2 (01:57:55):
I'm gonna tell you right now. Andrew absolutely would commit
suicide if he thought he was never going to get
out of prison, just like John McAfee did. Just like Look,
narcissists do this all the time. He's just hoping that
he can rile people up, get folks angry, maybe inspire
some violence on his behalf. Again, this is a pretty
This is part of the playbook where he's not being

(01:58:17):
creative at all. He's just doing a John.

Speaker 1 (01:58:19):
McAfee, literally doing a McAfee.

Speaker 2 (01:58:22):
Yeah, now, true to and I hope he I hope
he does the full McAfee, by the way, true to form.
Immediately after his request, someone with access to his account
posted a link to Hustler's University three point zero, which
is the newest face of his alle. He had just
launched this before he got arrested. Now Hustler's University three

(01:58:42):
point zero lifts at the link, join therealworld dot com
and on the website is a video made with clips
from The Matrix and some other movies, alongside clips of
Tate and clips of other YouTube stars attacking him because
he was like on Logan Paul's show, and then when
he got arrested, Logan Paul pretended that like he hated him.
All this stuff above the video is the text. It's
time to wake up Neo, Join us a mass wealth,

(01:59:05):
escape slavery. Hustler's University. Bustler is a university, Pustler's University.
Want to learn about Housler's University. There's a bunch of
rooms to go into and those rooms have a millionaire
professors who are taught by a millionaires that answer your questions.
They give you everything on a silver planning. It may
be impossible to not make money if you follow what

(01:59:26):
they see.

Speaker 6 (01:59:31):
Not only having contact with actual multimillionaires, being part of
a community of students, we all helping you.

Speaker 2 (01:59:38):
It's a community people that are there for you, who
are in there for one thing and has to make money.

Speaker 1 (01:59:43):
I've already made my money back after the first day.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
I've made five k this month from just joining. That's
fucking crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:59:55):
I've made four k in my first month, three two
thousand dollars for two weeks.

Speaker 2 (02:00:06):
I just made the buckets. What it tells goalers the
great song, so fucking cheeks.

Speaker 1 (02:00:11):
All in all, I made about three thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (02:00:14):
I go with the match my nine to five income.

Speaker 2 (02:00:16):
I shadowed that by five times.

Speaker 4 (02:00:18):
It's had days where I made two or three thousand dollars,
and that's like what I used to make in a month.

Speaker 7 (02:00:23):
That'll allow me.

Speaker 2 (02:00:24):
There are so many guys in this video. We probably
saw like fucking close to one hundred of them in
that first series of just like different clips of people
talking about their experience with Hustler's University. Again, hundreds of
thousands of people who have paid him money directly and
have joined. And all of these dudes are still on
Hustler's University. It is still functioning as far as I

(02:00:48):
have heard, and presumably still deeply invested in Tait's success,
Like this is not a problem that's over and it is.
You know, we don't know the court case. Andrew and
his brother basically have not actually been formally charged yet
as of publication of this episode, or at least as
of the recording of it. They are on a thirty

(02:01:09):
day hold to while the Romanian court kind of gets
shit in order to see what they're actually going to
charge them on. Some of this is just that, like
Andrew's obviously a flight risk. He has whole videos about
all the private jets that he has access to, so
we'll see. I think there's a chance Andrew has played
his last cards, although I think there's a chance he

(02:01:30):
winds up getting out. And this has another ugly chapter,
but there's a very good chance he's going to do
serious prison time, like ten plus years in Romania. And however,
Rabbit his fan base is now, if he spends years
in prison, I think that will dull his appeal for
one thing, it'll make him look like a loser. But
in the here and now, all we are all left

(02:01:51):
with the problem of all of these fucking people, these
young minds, these weirdos, these kids that he's influenced. Multiple schools,
particularly in the United Kingdom, have had to hold classes
and seminars on de radicalizing teenage boys who fell through
Andrew Tate. And I'm going to close this episode by
reading a quote from one of those articles in the
Times of London. His initial attraction to young people, said

(02:02:14):
one teacher was often his advice around being confident and
financially successful, and from there he capitalizes on a post
me too anxiety with comments such as females don't have
independent thought, they don't come up with anything. They're just
empty vessels waiting for someone to install the programming. Jay Jordan,
a teacher in Dundee of five years, said the recent
interest in Tate had made boys more hostile. Used to

(02:02:34):
have to deal with sexist stuff, but now it's explicitly
connected to Andrew Tate. The boys do not stop talking
about him, she said. In one class she reprimanded a
fourteen year old, you're just a woman, he responded. Jordan,
thirty seven, said, we've definitely gone backwards and it is worrying.
And that's the fun place to end the Andrew Tait cast,

(02:02:55):
the Tate pisodes. How we doing gang? Uh?

Speaker 4 (02:03:02):
That's just yeah, like I said before, it's I'm scared
because there's like hundreds of thousands of boys and young
men who think like this and like they're they're not
they're not in jail, they're not going anywhere, you know,
So like that this mindset and this ideology is going
to continue to be proliferated, and it's it's pretty, it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:22):
Is terrifying, and it's it's worth noting again people talking about, like,
what's the solution, is throwing him in prison the solution,
and like, no, throwing him in prison is a tourniquet.
Maybe I think it might stop his ability to grow
the way that he would have grown if it hadn't.
Deplatforming was a total failure in this, Like kicking him

(02:03:43):
off of shit did nothing but increase his reach in
his profitability because of the quote unquote controversy that got
jam and the thing to blame here, there's a couple
of things. Number One, the structure of social media is
to blame the structure of social media in order to
stop and Andrew Tait. It's not getting better arresting these guys.
It's changing the structure of social media to not reward

(02:04:04):
the kind of conflicts that he deliberately incited. In order
to the fact that like, if you do something super
fucked up and racist and people get angry about it,
it increases your reach on every social media app that exists.
Is a huge part of the problem, and the reason
why that will not change is fundamentally that's how all
of these people make money, whether they're the good Twitter,

(02:04:25):
the bad elon tw Twitter, they all made their money
by making people fight or by not making people fight,
but by sharing things that would make people angry so
that they would engage in fights. That's a big part
of what Andrew Tate recognized. The other thing is the
entire structure of the system that we live under, rewards,

(02:04:47):
cons and grifts. It is all figure out what the latest.
As technology increases, there are more opportunities to run versions
of the same old MLM scam that will not be
recognized yet by the government as illegal. Right, So you
get in there as fast as you can, and you
make your money, and then you fucking escape. And this
is the way. This is the fucking cryptocurrency thing, right,

(02:05:09):
This is all that NFT shit. It's this. This the
new scam that is really just the old scam dressed
up in enough of a coat of paint that nobody
recognizes that like, none of like the law doesn't recognize
it for a couple of years. That's all Andrew has
ever been doing. That's all he is purporting to teach you.
And he just was sloppy enough with aspects of his life,

(02:05:31):
and that he wasn't able to keep doing it long enough, right, Like,
the only reason he got caught is that he bragged
about breaking the laws in Romania and that they weren't
going to punish him. And also he was too good
at becoming famous. If he had stayed a few levels
lower than this, if he'd stayed at like that Alex
Jones level or whatever of social media influence, even he

(02:05:51):
probably would have kept getting away with it. But he
was so big that it created such a fuss, and
the Romanian government had to be like, look now he's
bragging about sex trafficking, and the EU's angry at us
because we already have this problem. Let's destroy this guy's
life in order to because he basically forced us to write.

(02:06:13):
If he'd been a little bit less of an idiot,
a little bit more careful, he would have gotten away
with it for longer, and the next one probably will.
Although maybe all of these guys, because they're narcissists, are
unable to kind of pull back from the ledge before
they go over it. I guess that's the optimistic thing.
Maybe fundamentally, the kind of guy who can do and
Andrew Tait is always going to be so much of
an egomaniac that they can't stop themselves. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:06:37):
Yeah, I think the way that he's reached his audience
should be examined and that it's truly terrifying. It's truly
terrifying the reach that he has and that the Internet
basically has rewarded him for it. I hope these days

(02:06:59):
in jail, yeah, long time and fizzles out. But as
we can see, Andrew Tate clones will just keep popping up.

Speaker 4 (02:07:07):
Yeah yeah, And that's that's the scary thing. Like somebody
else who can can just like study this model, find
the holes in it and patch it up and then
you know, you got your next Andrew Tate, you know,
four point zero or whatever. And that's what's scary about
it is as long as our current social media ecosystem
exists and the way news is covered, you know, as

(02:07:30):
long as that model exists, somebody is just going to
keep finding ways to exploit this and and do the
same thing. And uh yeah, that's that's scary.

Speaker 2 (02:07:40):
It is scary. But you know what's not scary, you're pluggables,
that's you ian.

Speaker 1 (02:07:48):
What do you got.

Speaker 4 (02:07:50):
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(02:08:12):
there and get better. Australian Open is going on right now,
so it's a good time.

Speaker 1 (02:08:17):
Yeah, I would like to plug that. Live music is beautiful,
and Andrew Day it can go fuck himself at Equal
Zone Media and all the things. Robert, do you have
anything specifically you would like to plug.

Speaker 2 (02:08:32):
Yeah, I have a book called After the Revolution. If
you just google ak Press After the Revolution you can
find it and buy a physical copy. You can also
just go to atrbook dot com and find the e
book for free, or just listen to the podcast of
the same name, So check that out. I have a
substack it's shatter Zone. Just google shatter Zone substack and

(02:08:56):
you'll find that. I'll get another thing up there soon. Anyway,
that's me. You know, you could you could start calling
me top G if you wanted to. Sophie, do we
think that's a good marketing term? Okay, well, what if
I do my Boston accent and I try to teach
kids how to how to make their twelve year old
cousins legally labor for them without payment.

Speaker 4 (02:09:20):
I don't know, there might be something that I love.

Speaker 2 (02:09:22):
You well, thank you, thank you, Ian, thank you for
believing me. Would you like to join my discord for
a five thousand dollars?

Speaker 4 (02:09:30):
Yes, let's see it? All right?

Speaker 2 (02:09:32):
All right, all right, Well everybody, I've got a new
con to get off to. So everybody have a great
day and feel better than you feel listening to this episode.

Speaker 1 (02:09:45):
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