Part One: How The Catholic Church Murdered Ireland's Babies

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
What's hurting my ears my new Zoom. This meeting is
being recorded. Boys. I'm Robert Evans, host behind the Bastards.
And if you are a user of Zoom, which hopefully
less people are, because the world is in some well
parts of the world are slightly better than they were

(00:23):
a couple of months ago. I don't know. I don't
know how to phrase this adequately. Um, but fucking Zoom
just put in a new change where this horrible woman
tells you that you're being recorded in a voice that
makes me want to either die or do violence. UM.
And I don't like it. I don't prefer it. Um.
And then the next thing she says is she's like

(00:44):
blue lives matter, and then she definitely talking about white
farmers in South Africa, And yeah, it gets like really weird,
how blonde people are going extinct. It's it's bizarre. I
don't understand why Zoom put all that in. She asked
me if I knew how to spell eugenics the last

(01:08):
it seems out of place. Yeah, she actually poses the
old s s racial heritage questions to make sure that
you're legally allowed to be in a relationship with your
significant other. Um. That's zoom that's the zoom Lady, actual Nazi,
the zoom Lady, the urban legend of this, the biggest

(01:33):
Karen of them all. We have to see Sophia, We
have we have you. This is a podcast about bad people,
the worst in all of history. Uh. And we have
an especially dark episode today. Today we're gonna be talking
about one of the darkest chapters in Irish history. Now,

(01:55):
if you know anything about the Irish you know that
that's saying thing when you're like, this is one of
the worst things that ever happened in Ireland. Like you're already,
you're already, you're getting You're on the top of a mountain,
and maybe there's like two or three other mountains. There's
like there's a indigenous American history, there's like Ukrainian history,
you know, one or two other mountains that you can

(02:16):
see peaks above you when you're on top of the
Irish history mountain. Um, so this is gonna be a
bad one today, gonna be a real bad one today.
Um And I know that since I am here it
is there's gonna be piles and yeah, siles of and
piles of babies who are diseased. Yeah, that is my

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calling card. The working title for this episode is how
the Catholic Church killed all of Ireland's babies. Um, so yeah,
we're we're, we're, We're gonna fucking zoom in on that,
and obviously, as that probably keeps you in on the
villain of today's episode is primarily the Catholic Church. Um, yeah,

(03:01):
that's how the Catholic Church we got a deal with
all these fucking kids. I am starting to think I'm
misunderstanding who we're cheering for in this pos This is
a very pro killing babies podcast. This is Behind the
Baby Killers, a podcast that celebrates reducing the surplus population.

(03:22):
Look as I signed to get drunk at two in
the afternoon, that's the behind the bastards here. Yeah, Sophie
is getting drunk and I'm yelling about are there no workhouses?
Are there no prisons? I'm Benezer Scrooge. That's the long
frame of the show. Are you married to the zoom lady?
I am, I am. You're very happy. We're having our

(03:43):
wedding at a plantation. Several plantations were plantation hopping for
the wedding. May I ask the color of the skin
of the people that will be attending your wedding. Well,
I mean servers are attending, right, Yeah, that's what I meant,
attend to your white guests. Yeah, Sophia, what do you

(04:05):
what do you? What do you? What do you? What
do you know about Ireland? Well, um, I do consider
them a sister country to my Eastern your because we
do worship the potato as well worship and you also
worship hardcore drinking, So hardcore drinking, and they very close

(04:29):
to my heart. Ireland, and in both Ukraine and Ireland,
the hardcore drinking is driven in part by the fact
that you are the two most colonized countries within Europe.
Both both Ukraine and Ireland were victims of colonization. Look,
oppression will drive you to drink, It absolutely does. And

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there's some you know, we had everything exploding in Gaza,
in in in in Palestine recently, and some reminders that,
like the Irish, are some of the most within sort
of the Western world, probably the most consistent allies of
the Palestinian cause, as they were consistent allies as a
nation of the you know, indigenous American cause. Um, because

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they've you know, they've been through some of the same
ship and a story that's dropping that's just dropped this
week is about the residential schools in Canada, which we covered.
One of them was found to have a mass grave
with two hundred and fifteen children in it. And we're
talking about a very similar story today, but it's of
course within the context of Ireland. Um. Now, before we
get into what exactly happened that led to the mass graves,

(05:34):
we're gonna be talking about today mass baby graves. Good times. Um,
we have to talk about about roughly thirteen hundred years
of Irish history, um, which we're gonna do in like
a page, which is I think responsible and good. Um.
So so strap in here's here's th hundred years of Ireland. So.
Ireland's history of foreign domination started around the seven hundreds,

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when Scandinavian vikings started to raid monastery and towns for
precious gold. Over the next two hundred years, they settled
in several cities, including Dublin, and dominated the island until
ten fourteen, when an Irish king named Brian Buru beat
a Viking army in battle. Now, this only brought the
Irish about a century of independence, because in eleven sixties,

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six war between two Irish kings ended when the defeated
king invited the Normans to invade. The Normans who had
took it, taken over what is today like England. This
Irish king who loses a war invites them to invade
Ireland in eleven sixty nine, and his plan is like,
this is gonna lead to me being in charge. Of
course it doesn't. It backfires and the Norman's takeover Ireland,

(06:40):
and this begins seven hundred years of direct domination, uh
of Ireland. Yeah, just a bunch of It's just Norm McDonald,
thousands of Norm McDonald's with axes, just taking Ireland, of course.
And I think Norm McDonald is probably Irish or Scottish,
I don't know whatever. Fuck him, he's an assholes what

(07:01):
he is. There's the mascot of Beverly Hills High School,
That's what That's what I was picturing, which is also right,
which is very colonizer as ship. Yeah, I don't know
what the origin is, but I'm assuming it's not great.
It's not great. Um. Now, over the following centuries there
were a bunch of different like subsequent English invasions of Ireland,

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and people will quibble that, like, oh, I shouldn't call
them whatever. It's people who live in where the English.
Fuck it, they're the English. I don't care. In even
seventy one, King Henry the Second land of a huge
army at Waterford to funk up some of his own
nobles who had taken over chunks of Ireland. And we're
getting too rich oppressing oppressing the Irish without him, so
like other English people are oppressing the Irish, and the

(07:44):
King is like, but I'm not getting enough money from
sucking up the Irish, so he and never want to
be left out on other people. Know why why would
you look like that? You're just leaving money and blodies
on the table. I found out Sophie was oppressing you
without me. You know, you you you, I know that's why.

(08:06):
That's why you both have access to the to the
online trigger for the shot caller that I wear constantly
in order to stop me from doing bad things. Um,
that's only partly a joke, because Twitter is kind of
a shot caller now in the fifteen thirties, King Henry
the Eighth, you know this guy? Have you heard of
this guy? Hey? Hey, Mark Marin boys, who are your guy? So?

(08:34):
King Henry the eighth real piece of ship. He's the
guy who invented the Church of England and like made
his country leave the Catholic Church because he wanted to
funck more ladies. But that meant divorcing and marrying more ladies.
It was a whole thing. There's a song about it,
um anyway. Uh, well, it's not about that, but it
has the named Henry the Eighth. Anyway, it's very funny.

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So he decides the Church England is going to be
a thing now because I want to be able to
get divorced and marry new women. The Irish were committed Catholics, um,
and some of their commitment to Catholicism came from the
fact that the English, who they hated, were like, we're
not Catholics anymore. This led to a series of what
you might call um race kerfuffles with the English that

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ended with the Irish population population devastated and the mass
confiscation of Irish land by English colonists. Um. Now in
the sixteenth century, the Spanish. Near the end of the
sixteenth century, the Spanish briefly show up to help the
Irish rebel against their masters, but that ended disastrously. This
happens a couple of times in history. The Spanish and
the Germans on a number of occasions try to help

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the Irish for their own purposes, and it never really
works out for the Irish. Um. In sixteen forty nine,
noted piece of ship Oliver Cromwell invaded Ireland yet again
to destroy Catholic Irish power. By sixteen fifty two, he
held most of the country and he launched a vicious
counterinsurgency to wipe out the remaining guerilla resistance to his reign.

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Cromwell's campaign in Ireland was absolutely an act of genocide.
He may have wiped out fully fifty percent of the
population um, which is again the Holocaust and Europe kills
about fifty percent of the Jewish population. That's a pretty
pretty pretty genocidey genocide, right, Like when we talk about
the Irish is genocide victims, we're not we're not exaggerating here, um.

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And around fifty thousand Irish laborers were also deported as
indentured laborers to the Caribbean, which was a step up
from slavery, but not as not a giant step. It's bad, um.
So we could do a whole podcast on the Mountains
of Ship the Irish have had to endure over the
last three quarters of millennia um. In particular, probably the
best known chapter in the ship history was the Irish

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Potato Famine, or the Great Hunger. This kicked off in
ety five when a fungus killed half the year's potato crop,
and then three quarters of the crop over the next
seven years. Because the Irish were a colony of England,
the whole population were tenant farmers. All power on the
island came from English landowners. Catholics were prohibited from owning
or leasing land, voting or holding elected office until eighteen

(11:05):
twenty nine, so this is an apartheid state as well.
So by the time the famine started, the island's politics
were still dominated by absentee British Church of England landlords.
Tenant farmers owed food as rent to their landlords, and
potatoes were supposed to help them subsist, but when the
crops started failing, they didn't have enough food to pay

(11:26):
their debts to their landlords, who again didn't live in
Ireland generally, and to also eat. Roughly one million Irish
people starved to death during the famine. Another million were
forced to flee their homeland, often leaving for the United States.
This was out of a population of a little over
eight millions, so between death so they lose half their
population the six hundreds of their Cromwell and then in
the eighteen hundreds um a quarter of the population either

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is killed or forced out of the country by famine. UM.
Pretty rough millennia for the Irish all things told. So
given all this, it's not hard to understand why the
Irish wanted independence from Great Britain. In nineteen sixteen, with
World War One and media rez a group of Irish
revolutionaries tried to overthrow their colonial oppressor. They succeeded in

(12:11):
taking over a chunk of Dublin and declaring an Irish
Republic for like a couple of days before the British
sailed in a battleship and pounded the city with naval
guns from the sea. As tragic as the Easter Rising was,
it played a key role in leading to the Treaty
Settlement in nineteen twenty one that brought the Irish some
manner of independence. Basically, it's carved into you got your

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Northern Ireland, which is still a part of the UK,
but you've got your Republic of Ireland now, which is
you know, the capitals in Dublin, and it's like the
bulk of the island, which is not Again, still a
lot of people angry about the partitioning of Ireland, but
it's a better situation than had existed before. Um So
the modern Republic of Ireland comes about as a result

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of this process, and in nineteen thirties seven, the Irish
government drafts a constitution. Now, if you've been paying attention
through this very reef overview of Irish history, you'll note
that the Catholic Church pretty important to the Irish who
want independence, right, kind of a big, big deal for them,
and for most of the his the history of like
the Irish independence movement, the Catholic Church has been kind

(13:13):
of a countercultural and liberatory force. Being Catholic was a
symbol of resistance to the Crown. Now in nineteen you know,
thirty seven, when they're making this new constitution, the Republic
of Ireland is completely fucking broke. They've got no goddamn
money because the English had spent seven hundred years or
so robbing them blind, uh, and they especially did not
have money for social services. What they had was the

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goodwill of the Catholic Church, who they wrote into their
first Constitution as the primary provider of social services, particularly
education for children. Now, that constitution did note that the
rights of children were quote inalienable and imprescribable. But the
rights of children were also subsumed within the rights of
the family, which is not necessarily the best thing because

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it means kids don't have independent rights on their own.
That's generally how this was was translated. So I'm gonna
quote from a write up in the Child Abuse Review
by Claire mcluon Richards quote it. It being the Catholic
Church's major role in the education of children was accepted,
and the acknowledgement of the good works of the religious
orders in the care of the sick, poor and needy
was considered to be of benefit to wider Catholic society,

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which was the dominant sector of the population. The opportunity
to formalize and secure the power of the Catholic Church
over its people without the impediment of British rule was critical.
The Church is the true religion of the people, would
exercise its authority and status and negotiations in agreements with
the state. Um the expectations of the state were to quote,
safeguard and uphold religious interests. It is bound to extend

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protection and all reasonable assistance to the Catholic Church in
the exercise of her own proper functions. So you see
the budding issue here, right, Ireland is finally a free state.
Uh And since Catholic Catholicism has been punished for so long,
it was seen as inextricable from Irishness, which leads to
the enshrining and law of the Catholic Church dominance in
social services, particularly childcare. It was believed that Ireland, as

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an independent nation, should be a holy and pure state,
and part of ensuring that purity was punishing people who
violated Catholic morality. You see, we're gonna have a problem here.
I don't know what you mean, because I feel like
deciding who's moral or not it's always great. It's always great.
I really think it ever leads to any problem. Absolutely

(15:29):
think I have the right to decide whether you're moral
or not. I I agree, and I think even better
than you, Sophia is a completely unaccountable group of old
Richmond who never fuck. That's who I want deciding how
how we get to live our lives is a bunch
of weirdos in Italy who don't fuck. But that's also
essentially uh, you know, our government to you, don't they fuck?

(15:53):
Look at Matt Gates, it's not consensual. Well well, I
guess you know. You know that that image Macro of
the two hands clasping in the middle, it's like Matt
dates the Catholic Church fucking children right in the middle.

(16:18):
Look at Mac's yeah, and I think there's I'm not enough.
I'm an expert. I'm not an expert at all in
Irish history. I wonder how much of kind of the
Catholic Church's dominance after has to do with the fact
that so a lot of these Irish revolutionaries in nineteen sixteen,
these guys are socialists, these guys are anti colonial, their
left wing, they have a their idea for how the
government should be as kind of a radical and socialist

(16:40):
one for the time they'll get massacred by the British um.
I wonder how much that had to do with kind
of the fact that that, I mean, honestly just based
on sort of culturally where the Church was probably still
would have owned up dominant I don't know. Um, it's
it's probably something someone with more knowledge of the history
than I could could could weigh in on. The easter
Rye thing is an interesting bit of history. Those guys

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were fucking rad for the most part. Um So anyway,
the Catholic Church gets the gig in the Constitution basically
of legislating morality, particularly when it involves children. Now, when
Ireland was founded, the age of criminal responsibility was seven
years old. So that's when you're capable of being so

(17:23):
you can get the chair. Well I don't. I don't
think they're doing the chair, but you can you can
go to prison. Yeah, you can go to prison for crimes.
And it's actually much worse than that, Sophia, much worse
than than a normal prison system. Well, we're about to detail.
I feel like the normal prison system is already inappropriate

(17:46):
for people, so for children, when I say this is
worse than our prison system in a lot of ways, um,
I mean it. Um, it's bad not not to minimize ours.
But so at the start of the Irish Republic, age
of criminal responsibility is seven. It eventually rose to twelve.

(18:07):
You want to guess what year they increased the age
of criminal responsibility to twelve. No two thousand six, oh
my god, which I think is also when Ireland legalized
the blow job. Like, I'm not joking about that. It
was illegal to give blow jobs in Ireland until more
recently than you'd expect. Hey, everybody, I actually got this wrong.

(18:28):
It was not two thousand six. It was ninete three
when Ireland made sodomy, which included like oral sex and
stuff that wasn't you know procreative heterosexual sex was made legal.
Uh so Ireland nineteen three, not two thousand six. Apologies
for slandering the Emerald Isle. So children convicted of crimes

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in this period became the responsibility of the Catholic Church.
So the good thing is they're not putting them in
adult prisons. They're not trying them as adults. There if
you're a seven, an eight, or a nine or a
tin or whatever. If you're a child who commits a crime,
you're handed over to the Catholic Church in a lot
of cases. Judge how hot children are? Okay, Well, yeah,

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so this is important for for the science now the
average No, I'm not that's not a joke. That's not
a choke lane. We should go down. We're in a
Matt Gates territory here. Um, we're into average Catholic priest territory. Here,
We're into Dennis Haster, longest serving Republican Speaker of the
House territory. Here, we're into probably Bill Clinton territory here. Um, anyway,

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that's Keith. Yeah, we're definitely in Raneer reneeratory. Um. So
so despite all the like all the d Anglish anglicization
sentiment reformatory schools, you know, the anti British sentiment or

(19:56):
whatever anti English sentiment. I don't know, fuck it, Like
everybody keeps yelling at me about that. To hell with
all of them, I say, um, reformatory schools were still
based on a British model that had originally been established
to deal with all the thieving orphans and street urchins
that Charles Dickens novels harbor over. Um now back at
night again. If you consent children to prison, and yeah,

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you're a healthy society that deserves to rule the entire world.
But if you have the laws on the books and
they're even just send them to prison. Send them to prison.
We'll send him to a reform school that is worse
than most prisons. Today, just send them to child prison,
all right, stop writing these novels about them, I mean

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glorifying the orphans. Don't the orphans, Dickens, give them the chair. Yeah,
fucking noted leftist Charles you think should be fed? You cook?
Are you simping for kids? You fucking loser. So back

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in nineteen o eight, when Perfidious Albion still ran things
in all of Ireland, the government had instituted a set
of laws designed to protect the well being of children.
Since this was at that moment the UK, protecting children
went meant incarcerating them if they were caught begging or homeless,
or if they were found to have been neglected skipping school,
or who had like stolen something as well. All of

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these are all of these kids exactly. Well everyone's that's
that's the big Now that Biden's in charge, We're we're
just gonna criminalize being poor as hard as we can,
and people continue to go to brunch. It's gonna be great. Um.
So these kids, and this is back again we're talking about.
This is in the UK, this is in Ireland, this

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is before independence. Kids are being sent to these these
English reformatory schools which are also called industrial schools um
now under the English government, under the Crown or whatever.
These schools are run independently. Most of them were religious
in nature, but they were monitored by the state. When
the UK left most of Ireland and the Republic took over,

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these industrial schools were officially managed by the Department of
Local Government, and then by the Department of Justice and
then by the Department of Education, but the Church did
all of the actual work. Since the state was broke,
they were more than happy to let the church take
care of their social services. The church considered this a
worthwhile expense. Historian dicey okarrain, I'm so sorry. Gaelic is

(22:27):
a beautiful language. Irish is a beautiful language. I'm going
to butcher it every time I try to say one
of these names. It is BEAUTI yeah, it's it's it's
the it's gorgeous. I've spent a lot of Ireland's the
first place I ever trailed outside of the US. I've
been back seven or eight times. I love listening. I
take an Irish literature class in uh In College and
since then I've been like so in love and like

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I said, a lot of the similarity of the depression,
the good writing, it's wonderful from Ireland. That's good. Um.
So this historian I've butchered explains quote that social service

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provision is designed to propagate the Catholic faith. So that's
why the Catholic churches want to go out of pocket.
At least they're framing it as like, will pay since
the government's broke, will pay for your social services because
we see this as helping to expand the Catholic faith. Right,
that's why we're going to cover social services for the country. Um.
And while the wording of all these laws talked about
criminal children, it's worth noting that again most of them

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had not committed anything we would recognize as a crime today.
In fact, the most common crime for which children were
put in these facilities was that they were born to
single mothers. Now no, me too. Yeah you're a crime
baby throwing you in baby prison. As one researcher wrote
in nine of the Church in Ireland, quote, the body

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was seen as a major source of evil. This was
particularly true for women, whose proper role was to become
there's in a good Catholic family. Any alternatives to this
Catholic ideal were a threat to the status quo. As
a result, the Church and state worked together too heavily
police children born out of wedlock, unsupervised and unkimpt children,
poor children, and children in any other living situation that

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didn't seem Catholic enough. So when I talk about criminal
behavior from children, this is what the Church considered criminal
being born to a single mother, having a d h D,
or something that made you misbehave in school, or coming
from a family without much money. Claire mcclun richards describes
this as pathologized Catholicism, basically religion that has turned any
behavior that dissents from the religious mainline into an illness

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or a crime. When the British left the Church. When
the British left Ireland, Sorry, the Church saw that departure
of that state as a way to legislate Catholic ideas
about proper behavior. From a write up in the Child
Abuse Review quote, the children of poor or inadequate parenting
were deemed to be in moral danger as the abused
and neglected child was contaminated by adult knowledge. He argues

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that children were responded to and treated by the Church
and state not in terms of what they were, but
what they were going to be. This may explain why
so many boys who had committed petty crime or who
were seeing at risk of committing crime, were placed in
reformatory schools, and why so many girls, although having committed
no crime, were placed in industrial schools because of the
perceived risk of their sexual immorality. The patholomy is criminal

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a crime. It is that banksy drawing, but instead of
a dude, it's a girl in a dress. Instead of
throwing a malatov with like a flower in it, it's
a vulva, just tucking a volva? Is could is? Could
we just get like? So obviously we're making tiny handcuffs
for all the babies we're putting Oh no, no, no,

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don't work. Are they also finding a tiny single handcuff
for the vulva for the services are throwing it over
the cervix? What are we doing? The good news they're not.
They're not handcuffing these kids. They're not putting them behind bars.
They're just putting them in what I might call a
rape factory. So that's good. Oh, they're not locking them up.

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They're not locking them up though, you know, other than
they locked them inside the rape factory with the rapists anyway,
is like music factory. What what was that? Yeah, it's
exactly That's actually what the C and C Music Factory
is based on, which is why they're banned in Ireland. Um, okay,
you know who is not banned in Ireland? I don't
think hopefully not maybe probably not the products and services

(26:34):
and support this podcast services unless it's yeah, because the
EU has some laws and stuff, and I don't know,
we might get an advertisement from my favorite gun manufacturer,
sig Sour, in which case probably isn't legal in Ireland. Um,
dick pills might not be either, you know, they let

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us know. Yeah, here's ads did pills. All right, we're
back and we're thinking about the concept of dick pills
and the Irish who until fairly recently could not legally

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perform or received blow jobs. Um. I'm going to continue
that quote from the Child Abuse Review, which is talking
about how children are being pathologized as a as a
thought that they might commit immoral, sexual or other type
of crimes. Quote. The pathologizing of these children may have
been may well have been because they were seen as
undesirable and uncomfortable, reminders of the lack of sexual control.

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Or moral values of their parents, particularly their mothers, who
were deemed as sinful or unchaste. The rigors of discipline,
enforcement and punishment under repressive practices driving Catholic doctrine at
that time may have granted an entitlement to cure the
social ills, problems, and products of sexual immorality as manifested
by the children in these institutions. This entitlement and authority,
which were endorsed by the silence and collusion of the

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agents of the state, sealed the fate of thousands of children.
So that's so. Wait, it's kind of dope though that
if you having sex with your Catholic wife, the children
that you have after somehow do not change the fact
that you're chased. But if you are not in a

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Catholic marriage and you have a child, yeah, that is
evidence of you not being chased, even though any children
are evidence of you not being chased. Chased. Yeah, No,
if it's within a Catholic relationship, it's fine. If it's not,
the children are guilty and need to go to prison. Um.
So the question now becomes, as we've alluded to, what

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were these schools like in practice? Well, if you know
anything about the Catholic church for the last I don't know,
two thousands of years. You've probably assumed that it involved
a lot of child molestation. So if you can we
get an air horn for child molestation. Yeah no, I
like that, like a solemn, mournful lairhorn. No no, no no,
you want like a sad tromboe and you want like more.

(29:08):
It actually seems more disrespectful to do the more more
more than Yeah, when we're talking about shout molestation, Um,
you are broken? Okay, Yeah, that's the theme of the show.
I think it should just be like one of those
like like crash sounds like you know what I mean?

(29:28):
What if we like sing a little? What if we're like,
let's talk about rape, baby, let's talk about the Catholic
Let's talk about rape. Let's talk about nuns and pretty rape,
Let's talk about rape. There we go. I think it works.
I think we got an I think we got an album.
I once again think I don't get paid enough. Wait,

(29:52):
how about this one. It's a cal flick summer. Don't
leave your kids with a priest. It's a kath kath
lick summer. I don't know how to continue it, but
you know, we've got we've got enough. This is the
start of the cruel Summer summer? Is that Jaylor Swift? No,

(30:14):
that's not Taylor. That's older than that. Okay, sorry, the
Cruel Summers? Are there a couple anyway? Let's talk about
one of the inmates in one of these industrial schools.
Des Murray, arrived at the Art and Industrial School in
Dublin when he was twelve and a half years old.
He'd been born in nineteen forty one, the son of

(30:34):
a Yeah, prime hard time, that's twel he's ready, a
twelve and a half year old man. Get him in here. Um.
He'd been born in nineteen forty one the son of
an unmarried mother and was almost immediately taken from her
and thrown into the system. We discussed in our Georgia
Tan episode how up until like the seventies in the US,
it was very common for single mothers to have their

(30:56):
children taken from them straight away without any kind of recourse.
That happened here to god knows how many women. And
then the Georgia Tan episodes, you were saying that they
were like a lot of fake signing the way like
you know, that's what you were signing, and that was
happening when like Carter was in office not that long ago.
Here in Ireland it was worse because not only were

(31:17):
children separated from their mothers, but both were put in
church run prisons. So here's Death's experience of this system
from a rite up in the Irish Examiner. Artaine was
a concentration camp. He says quietly. I was singled out
by two brothers to sadists. My biggest regret is that
I didn't kill those two bastards. One was particularly savage.
One fella I knew had a rheumatic heart, but brother

(31:39):
B used to make him fill a wheelbarrow with stones
and wheel it around the yard three or four times.
The Artan School was run by the Congregation of Christian Brothers,
a worldwide religious community founded in Waterford, Ireland in eighteen
o two. Their goal was to educate poor Catholic boys
and ed you to expect. They have a long history
of allegations of sexual abuse, and a quote again from
the Irish Examine are here. Dez witnessed sexual abuse in Artaine,

(32:03):
but did not encounter it directly himself. I remember seeing
a brother on the landing and he was spotting the boys,
He says, they carefully chose their victims. You wouldn't see
the boys going into the brother's room, but sometimes you'd
see them running out screaming. They chose the vulnerable ones.
Valentine Walsh was not as fortunate, and he went to
St Joseph's Industrial School of Charlie, County Kerry. So while

(32:23):
des just witnessed sexual abuse, Valentine was sexually and physically
assaulted at St Joseph's from the ages of nine to thirteen. Valentine, Yeah,
and the article of Valentine shows a photograph of himself
as a little kid. He's seven, it's the day of
his first communion um. And yeah, he's a nice little
boy in a suit with his his hair and til

(32:44):
done up. But he's very much not smiling. From the article,
he doesn't ever remember a reason to smile. All Valentine
remembers is the terror, a locked door, a darkened room,
and three Christian brothers who sexually and physically abused him.
This is the world that lay in wait for the
little boy in the commune group of nineteen sixty and
Saint Joseph's Industrial School. The first memory I have of

(33:04):
being sexually abused by Brother D. Was when I was
nine or ten, says Valentine. He would take me into
his own classroom in the evening when it was empty,
he would lock the door behind me. He recalls how
it happened and how brother D prepared the room for
this hell. I remember the blackboard and the wind in
the classroom and used by Brother D to block off
the windows. Other clippings in newspaper were on the windows
and blocked off any site into the classroom. The clippings

(33:25):
in the blackboard prevented anyone from the outside looking in.
We were locked in and they were locked out. So
that's what happened to the boys in this was a
mix of physical abuse that kid recalls like a kid
with a bad heart being forced to wheelbarrow around rocks
just because one of the brothers of say this, and
like mass child rape. That's what happens to a lot
of the boys in these schools. Now, what happened to

(33:48):
Valentine and Deza's mothers. You know they're both taken from
their mothers, their single moms, at an early age. They
don't know, They have no idea where their mothers wound up.
Because the Catholic Church considered their mothers to be dangerous
criminal influences. There is a fairly decent chance, though, that
both mothers were sent to what we're called the Magdalene laundries,
now officially called them sisters. It's about to be. It's

(34:11):
about to be, and it's also about to involve the
game mouse trap oddly enough, so officially called yeah just
just just wait, Sophia. Oh, you're gonna have a good
time with this one. So officially called the Magdalene asylums.
These were essentially prisons for unwed mothers. They had their
roots in the mid seventeen hundreds in a campaign by

(34:32):
the church to put so called fallen women, who were
often sex workers to work. Um now, this was actually
a rare joint Catholic and Protestant Effrica. It's really quick though.
It's in the name sex workers. What do you mean
to put sex workers to work? Honest God fearing working? Yeah,
but not giving him another job. That's fucking rude. Yeah,

(34:54):
I mean this is a pretty rude religion. Um Now,
I should note that when the Magdalene asylums started, because
this kicks off in the seventeen hundreds, Ireland still under
the UK. This starts is actually a very rare joint
Protestant and Catholic effort, which tells you how much about
Irish society at all levels despised single mothers and English society.
The first of these institutions was actually run by the

(35:15):
Protestant Church of Ireland, the Magdalene Asylum for Penitent Females
in Dublin. Now, there was a worry on the time
that prostitution was on the rise. Wayward women who were
willing to have sex outside of marriage and get pregnant
outside of wedlock were thought to be in danger of
becoming sex workers. So when I say these fallen women
were sex workers, off and they were just women who
wanted to have sex with people they weren't married to,

(35:36):
that was the same thing at the time. Fearing this,
parents started sending their unwed daughters to the Magdalene asylums
because they were worried, like, your daughter looks at a boy,
you send her there, or your daughter gets pregnant, you
send her there. Either way you're worried your daughter might fuck,
you send her to the Magdalene Asylum. Now the goal
here was twofold. First, it was to hide the shameful

(35:56):
fact that a woman in the family had gotten pregnant
or had been having sex without a husband. And second,
it was hoped that time in the asylums would rehabilitate
sinful sex and baby havevers. Initially, inmates were only meant
to be incarcerated for limited periods of time. They would
be sentenced to several years, during which they would learn
a respectable profession so that when they left they'd be
able to avoid the horrific sin of having consensual sex

(36:18):
for money. However, the work they did at the Magdalene
asylums made money for the church, and as decades and
eventually centuries passed, the Magdalene Asylums became institutions within the
Irish Catholic Church. From a write up and history dot
Com quote, the stints the prison sentences grew longer and
longer women were off sent there were often charged with

(36:39):
redeeming themselves through lace, making, needlework, or doing laundry. Though
most residents had not been convicted of any crime, conditions
inside were prison like. Redemption might sometimes involve a variety
of coercive measures, including shaven heads, institutional uniforms, bread and water, diets,
restricted visiting, supervised correspondence, solitary confinement, and even flogging writes

(36:59):
a story in Hell and j self. So that's good.
I love a casual flogging you didn't expect. Yeah yeah,
an adult tasks woman live in your life getting flogged
for not washing clothes fast enough because you winked at
a boy when you were fifteen. Yes, also like so

(37:21):
fucked up. You were just like maybe giving like blow
jobs and ship and now you have to learn how
to needle point. Yeah. Yeah, it's not great and I
don't want someone to force me to do that. Like,
those are really different skills. They are very different skills. Um,
both can involve needles, but only if your partners into
sounding so initially honestly, I mean hand iye. A coordination

(37:44):
is important in both, it is, Yeah, but that's probably
where the similarity ends. They're like, they're both like basketball
in that both needle point and blow jobs a lot
of similarities to basketball, which is why NBA players give
such famously good blow jobs. Yeah, so that's why they
Paul Lebron King James King King James, because job, that's

(38:07):
what that documentary song My Milkshake brings all the Boys
to the Art was about Lebron James. I will not
be so good at blow jobs. And you know what else,
that's the reason that you know he has a little
bit of a bald spot on the top of his head.
Job happen. Don't come for his hair line, I'm not.

(38:30):
But when he's blowing and he's on his knees, he's
so good. People literally rubbed the hair off his head. Yeah,
that's a compliment. That's yes, that's all I'm saying. That's
evidence of how skillful he will not. I will not
accept this slander of Lebron James. Famously, Jerry West hella jealous,

(38:50):
Hella jealous of lebron sucking skills. I just put it
out there, So, yeah, why I think you were just
talking about fun, consensual sex with an NBA slash blowjob star.
That's fine. Um, it's not children in prison, putting children

(39:11):
in their single mothers in prison slash rape factories. Now Sophia.
Initially most of the inmates at the Magdalene laundries. They
came to be known as that because doing laundry for
money was one of the most common things that they
would have these women do. Um, Initially, most of these
inmates went voluntarily and the focus was on rehabilitation, but
over time these grew into penal institutions. As this happened,

(39:35):
their scope change from providing rehabilitation to fallen women to
taking in women who had been admitted to psychiatric institutions,
women with special needs, victims of rape and assault, and
girls deemed too flirtatious or tempting to men. So if
you're a girl, who draw me out, my God exactly.

(39:55):
Pregnant teenagers continue to be sent to the laundries as well,
but by the early nineteen hundreds and that to come
of the Independent Republic of Ireland, things had reached a
point where large numbers of women were being incarcerated for
no clear reason at all. While the laundries were run
by various Catholic orders, they also received support from the
Irish government, who paid the Church for laundry fees. Since
the Church didn't pay incarcerated women, this was basically free money.

(40:18):
And what was it like to live in the Magdalene laundries, Well,
we don't have a whole lot in the way of
detailed testimony from the seventeen hundreds and eighteen hundreds but
we know a lot about how they were in the
middle of the twentieth century. I'm gonna quote again from
that rite up in history dot com. Nuns ruled the
laundries with impunity, sometimes beating inmates and enforcing strict rules
of silence. You didn't know when the next beating was
going to come, said survivor Mary Smith in an oral history.

(40:41):
Smith was incarcerated in the Sundays Well laundry and Cork
after being raped. Nuns told her it was in case
she got pregnant. Once there, she was forced to cut
her hair and take on a new name. She was
not allowed to talk and was assigned backbreaking work in
the laundry, where nuns regularly beat her for minor infractions
and forced her to sleep in the cold. Due to
the rama she suffered, Smith doesn't remember exactly how long

(41:02):
she spent in sundays Well. To me, it felt like
my lifetime, she said. Smith wasn't alone. Often women who
women's names were stripped from that. You survive rape and
then someone fucking puts you in prison for it, for life,
for life. Yeah, Smith wasn't alone. Often women's names were
stripped from them. They were referred to by numbers or

(41:24):
as child or penitent. Some inmates, often orphans, are victims
of raper abuse, stayed there for a lifetime. Others escaped
and were brought back to the institutions. Another survivor, Marina Gambled,
was placed in a laundry by her local priest. She
recalls being forced to eat off the floor after breaking
a cup and getting locked outside in the cold for
a minor infraction. I was working in the laundry from

(41:44):
eight in the morning until about six in the evening,
she told the BBC in twos thirteen. I was starving
with the hunger. I was given bread and dripping for
my breakfast. So pretty bad ship. Yeah, pretty bad ship.
Pretty not good ship. And the Magdalene laundries really came
into being their more into their modern form in the

(42:05):
nineteen twenties. This was the first decade of the Irish
States existence, but it was also a time when rates
of illegitimate childbirths started to rise precipitously. This sparked panic
among moral ninnies like the Catholic clergy. Initially, they worried
that single mothers would become prostitutes somehow, locking these women
up hadn't stopped prostitution or unwed motherhood, so they decided
the solution to the very real struggles faced by poor

(42:26):
single mothers was to separate them from their children and
incarceerate them for life. Mother and child were kept together
until the moment it was possible to semi safely separate them.
Starting in the nineteen fifties, when adoption was legalized in Ireland,
that became the standard for newborn children who were in
reasonably good health. Historian diffy Or Karaine told the BBC
there was a viewpoint perhaps that by facilitating adoption or

(42:48):
putting them into an industrial school, that those children were
being given a chance at a better and more stable life. Uh,
it's kind of um wild that these are named after
Mary Magdalene when the whole thing was told that Jesus

(43:09):
was like pretty good friends with her. Yeah, for sure,
wasn't punishing her for being a sex worker. That was
kind of the whole thing and pretty positive. The vibe
wasn't like fuck you. Mary Magdalene's absolutely part of these
places that were like fuck you women, and then they

(43:32):
named them after her, like the audacity. It's bizarre because like, yeah,
the whole if I am understanding that part of the Bible, right,
the whole thing is that like she was a quote
unquote fallen woman, but Jesus was like, I don't give
a funk. I'm Jesus. Like everybody's shit, I still love you.
Was his attitude, right, Yeah, I think his whole vibe
was like, I don't care. You're not any better than

(43:54):
this woman just because she's a prostitute. You got shipped,
you're going on too. It's whatever, Like I'm Jesus, I
don't care, I think was his attitude. Um. But yeah,
they take this as like, let's make a prison for
women and their children. Um. And to be honest, the
fact that they were finally adopting these children in the
fifties is better than incarcerating them. But that said, as

(44:14):
we'll talk about, they were only adopting the marketable children.
So a big part of this story is like kids
with physical disabilities, right, kids with mental disabilities, um, kids
who just aren't attractive as adoption candidates for whatever reason
by the standards of the time, those kids still stay
incarcerated because you can't you can't sell them, and it

(44:34):
is they're selling them. They're profiting off of the adoption
of these children. The Catholic Church is trafficking babies, is
is what this turns into is a for profit baby
trafficking operation. Even when you're getting abused, do you have
to be hot? So well? Yeah? I mean, like God,
can I just be ugly if you're gonna fucking like
steal my whole life? Anyway? Yep, it's good stuff. You

(44:57):
know what won't traffic chldren for profit? These goods down services.
That's the only promise we make about these goods and services.
They are not child traffickers as best as we know
from googling them once. So far we're back, Oh yeah,

(45:27):
having a great time, just talking about cool and fun
things with my friends. So, from what I can tell,
some of the women incarcerated in the Magdalene asylums were
set free once their newborn child was taken from them,
And I don't have a clear rubric for when that
was done and when they were kept in It was
not that was not always what was done, it was
not even necessarily often what was done. A lot of

(45:48):
women were incarcerated for life, um and this seems to
have been about money as much as it was about
anything remember, the Irish state is too broke to fund
any of their social services. If we can even like
this is their calling this a social service. I would
argue kidnapping and trafficking children and their mothers is not
a service, But honest men can disagree. The Catholic Church um.

(46:11):
The way this was framed as like, we the church,
because we so love faithful Ireland and want to facilitate
the growth of our religion, will pay for the social
services you know ourselves. This is a service that will
provide to the state. The reality is that the Catholic
Church was rich as ship and could have provided excellent
social services to the entirety of the island of Ireland,

(46:31):
but instead made a profit um off of trafficking their bodies.
Um because they didn't get that rich by giving their
money away to poor countries, I think is the gist
of the story. Estimates of the number of women who
went through the Magdalene laundryes Ferry. Getting an accurate count
has been complicated by the fact that various the various
religious orders responsible for these particular crimes against humanity have

(46:52):
a vested interest in refusing to provide archival information to historians.
As best as anyone can guess, around three thousand men
were incarcerated in the laundries over a two hundred and
thirty one year period. At least ten thousand of those
inmates went through the system after nineteen The Magdalene laundries
operated without major criticism or controversy well into the nineteen nineties.

(47:14):
It is well worth asking why and how this was allowed.
History dot Com rights to start with, Any talk of
hearts treatment at the Magdalene Laundries and Mother's homes tended
to be dismissed by the public, since the institutions were
run by religious orders. Survivors who told others what they
had been through were often shamed or ignored. Other women
were too embarrassed to talk about their past and never

(47:34):
told anyone about their experiences. Details on both the inmates
and their lives are scant now. Healthcare was obviously not
great in the laundries. The work was often unsanitary, as
we've heard from some of the eyewitness accounts I read earlier.
Women were often starved and beaten. Some of them died
from illnesses or as a result of the physical abuse
they endured. We have no idea how many perished. But

(47:58):
we do know that in nineteen the Sisters of Our
Lady of Charity decided to sell some of their land.
Um Sisters of Lady of Charity sold their land anyway,
but also the whole name for a place that just
souses women. When the Sisters of Our Lady of Charity
sold some of their land that they had operated laundries

(48:19):
on for profit, it was because they didn't need the
land anymore. The laundries were closing down at this point.
They weren't making money. Yeah, after we had beaten the
greatest number of women we could beat the vacation and
weren't allowed to beat anymore. We couldn't be more charity. Yeah.
And also like when you reach you know, iconic status,

(48:39):
it's like, maybe it's time to hang up the paddle,
you know, the Cat of nine Tales. Yeah, maybe you stop,
you know, beating people for just a little bit to reset,
you know, find out who you really would rather be beating. Yeah. Yeah,
And the sisters they decided to do this. They decide
they got to clear out, you know, they sell this
land because they can't operate this laundry for profit anymore.

(49:00):
When they sell the property, they apply with the government
to have a hundred and thirty three bodies moved from
unmarked graves real sisters of our Lady of charity. Stuff
is unmarked Matt's graves. So thankfully this was the nineties,
and even though Ireland in the nineties little bit of
a ship show, still the government was like, wait a minute,
how many bodies in a must grave are we talking

(49:21):
about here, and so that they were like, wait a minute,
it's a lot of infants in an adult size grave.
You're not nearly enough babies in these graves. So the
government quickly realizes that actually there were much more people
in the unmarked grave than the sisters of our Lady
of Charity. It admitted. They find the remains of at

(49:42):
least a hundred and fifty five people there, and bonus
dead babies and hair that was an appropriate accent. Journalists
dig into the matter and find only seventy five death
certificates that can be traced to this grave with a
hundred and fifty five dead people, which means the sisters
of our Lady of Charity, we're covering up an awful

(50:02):
lot of dead people. That's a lot of dead people.
It was a bogo sales. Yeah, it was a bogo
on corpses report one for the deaths of two yeah. Um.
Now the nuns claimed this was all just the result
of an administrative error. Then they burned the corpses and
reburied the ashes in a mass grave somewhere else. That's
a go administrative error, classic nuns. You know what they

(50:27):
always say, babies don't stay buried unless you do it twice.
It's not nice. It's one of those things you talk about,
let's say the Spanish Civil War and the anarchists who
murdered a lot of priests and nuns in that war,
and who also would dig up graves of priests and
nuns and incinerate the corpses, and you're like, what a
horrible crime, And then you realize this ship was definitely

(50:50):
happening in Spain too, and maybe people just had the
church's fucking number, because most nuns and most priests in
the Catholic Church have been fucking monsters. It's the SS
with better branding is the fucking Catholic Church in most
of its history, in most of the places where it's operated. Um.
With a notable exception of liberation theology, Catholicism in Latin

(51:12):
America during this most recent century, which did some red ship.
It's a big church, right, but like this fucking ship
happened all over the place. It's not just Ireland. Ireland's
just where the documentation is best right now. It happened everywhere. Now.
The women who survived and escaped often did so only
after enduring profound abuse. Mary Merritt was incarcerated by the

(51:35):
Sisters of Mercy when she was sixteen. She had been
born in a workhouse to a single mother, and her
own entrance to the Magdalene laundries was assured when she
was caught stealing apples from an orchard. You gotta throw
that bitch in prison. She stay at apples, so the
nuns renamed her Attracta, and she was. She spent the
next fourteen years of her life in a convent where

(51:55):
she was regularly beaten and abused. When she was thirty,
Mary managed to escape. Unfortunately, the first person she went
to for help was a Catholic priest who raped her.
She became pregnant and was taken back into the system
because now she's a sinful single mother. Her child was
taken from her and given up for adoption without her consent.
The good news is that Mary did eventually escape forever.

(52:17):
She found love and was married for more than fifty years.
Mary's story makes the peculiar dimensions of incarceration, and the
laundry is clear. She was repeatedly told you are free
to leave at any time, and in the legal sense
of the word, that was probably true. She was not
legally incarcerated for life, but she was kept there much
longer than she wanted to be because leaving was not

(52:39):
really an option for her most women. Not only was
their physical coercion, there was the fact that a lot
of these women had no money, no family support, no
way of supporting themselves outside of the church. And if
you leave the church and you have no money and
you wind up on the street, where do you go
a facility operated by the Catholic Church. If you decide
the only way I can make money is by selling
my body on the street because I have no other options,

(53:01):
where do you go? You go to the again, it's this,
you're free to leave. You're not free to leave? Now again?
About ten women, maybe much more, we don't know. There
is no escape. Well, I mean she did get out eventually,
but it took her thirty years, you know, yeah uh,
And thankfully, you know, she she seems to have found

(53:24):
true love and was married for fifty years and had
a good life after that, which is about the best
case scenario you get for someone who has to go
through this ship. She doesn't find her kid um. Now again,
about ten thousand women were run through the laundries from
about to the nineteen nineties, but that doesn't give the
whole story of the scale of church incarceration in Ireland.
The laundries were one set of institutions. There were also

(53:47):
workhouses for young boys and young adult men who had
been incarcerated as children. There were asylums for people with
special needs. The Irish Times writes, quote in the nineteen fifties,
this country locked up one percent of its population. We
incarcerated more people per head of population than Stalin did
in Russia. The Catholic Church during the entirety of the

(54:11):
Cold War incarcerated a higher percentage of the Irish population
for like stealing apples and ship than Stalin did in
the U s s R. Not to whitewash Stalin, but
let's let's let's keep in mind the scale of the
crimes of you know, organizations opposed to the Catholic Church. Yeah,

(54:31):
that's putting up some serious numbers, Like you come in
here with a triple double when no one even knew you.
Gotta like that. And one of the points a lot
of people will rightly make is that the Irish, the
Catholic Church and ire Ireland in its earliest decades of
independence was a theocracy. It was not a free nation.

(54:54):
They had fought so long for free and and again
that's why I started with the English. I don't want
to just be harping on the just be harping on
the Irish government the Catholic Church, because part of this
is inevitable just by how horrifically abused they are by
the English right. That's how abuse works in societies as
well as individuals. If you don't actively attempt to reform it,
it gets perpetuated down through the generations. Yeah, but truly

(55:15):
the only trickle down economics. Um, So it's important that
we note that, Like, as much as we should be
blaming the Catholic Church and the Irish government in this period,
a decent amount of this is also on fucking Great Britain. Right,
they start a lot of the they start a lot
of this cycle of trauma. Um. And in part they
start because the government has no money, has this need

(55:37):
for the church to provide services, and because being Catholic
had been oppressed for so much, it's become part of
the Irish identity of oppression, which led to people not
being as sort of you know, and they've massacred a
lot of the people who maybe would have fought for
a more secular state. You know. All of this stuff
factors into it. But Ireland is a fucking theocracy in
this period of time with a brutal car serrale state. Um.

(56:01):
And yeah, it's it's it's cool, Um, it's cool and
good Sophia. And on Thursday we're going to talk about
how the most popular board game company in the world
tied into all of this. But Sophia, that's a story
for another day. May I wear my Monopoly Man out
the next please dresses the Monopoly Man, stick your fingers

(56:25):
in the operation guy and trap mice for episode two
of How the Catholic Church Murdered Ireland's babies. And anyway,
let's get an air horn or two here, really buck
us up. Thank you. Thank you, sad Air Horns Sofia

(56:46):
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It's stand up, it's fun and good. Uh. You can
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(57:06):
also get it at Sophia Alexandra dot com. And as always,
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Do it? You cowards? Listen? Do you do? Um? Well,

(57:32):
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If you want to read a book that doesn't involve
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Christian extremists, yeah, you can read my novel After the Revolution.
It's available online at a t R book dot com. Uh.

(57:54):
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(58:20):
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(58:42):
But um, here in the Pacific Northwest, we're having an
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UM activists everywhere have been kind of gathering to try
and mitigate uh, set up cooling stations, hand out cold drinks,

(59:02):
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(59:23):
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