Part One: The Accidental Genocide of the Andaman Islands

In episode 37, Robert is joined by Andrew Ti (Yo Is This Racist) to discuss the history of the Andaman Islands.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M Hey everybody, I'm Robert Evans, and this is once
again Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you
everything you don't know about the very worst people in
all of history. Now, this is a story, or this
is a podcast, I should say, where I read a
story about someone terrible, about something terrible that was done,
and then get really really really really really deep into it.

(00:21):
And today my guest who is coming in cold to
this tale is Andrew t Man. Oh great, you know
this is my second time on the show, but after
the first time, I learned fucking steal yourself. Yeah yeah,
buckle in dark, get ready for the roller coaster. Well,
your last episode with us was our epic two partter

(00:42):
on King Leopold of Belgium, who killed like thirteen million people,
half of all of the people in Central Africa because
he wanted rubber, sweet sweet rubber dollars. The reward is
always so ludicrous when you're even when you think of
it as money or like, really, now, he didn't really
intend to kill that many people, but he new, yeah, yeah,
he accepted that what the cost is. Today we're talking

(01:03):
about another genocide, one that was accidental, done by well meaning,
nice people. Who thought that they were making the world
a better place. So that's going to be really fun. Yeah. Now,
on November seventeen eighteen, a young emergency medical technician and
Christian missionary named John ellen Chow traveled to North Centinel Island,
and isolated island in India's and Uman Islands and tried

(01:27):
to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to the natives
there in. Unfortunately, the centinelis people had no desire to
hear this gospel and even less desire to let some
stranger onto their island. They shot him to death with arrows,
and shortly thereafter his story went viral on the internet.
I'm gonna guess you ran into this at least. Oh yeah,
I was gonna say without without marking this too close
in time. When I talked about this on you as

(01:47):
this racist, I half asked so many of the facts
because I just did. I was like, I think I
know what's happening here. So I'm actually very glad to
be with someone who did research and knows what the
funk they're talking about. I read a lot about on
ellen Chow, but this episode is not going to be
particularly about him. It is it is about why I
think it's fair to call him a bastard, but this

(02:08):
is actually about we're talking about the tales of the
Andaman Islands. This entire island chain where he was North
Sentinel Island is located in kind the history that I
think John ni going into this or even not like yeah,
you can still just be like, hey, maybe leave people alone.

(02:28):
If they shoot at everyone who lands on there, maybe
maybe leave him alone. I guess that's just the Devil
telling you you need to talk to these people extra hard. Well,
he did say the Devil was this was like that
one of his last strong yeah, something like that the
writing he did before he yeah, yeah, I will let
me just take the opportunity because I figure this is
the time he's one of the worst Asian people. I

(02:53):
just I I always feel like bad when like Asian
folks take on like this like white saviory collodialist hyper
role and like this guy is extra in it. The
last strongholds of the Devil, Yeah something something I thought
that was his exact phrasing, but something similar to that.
I guess to be fair, if Homeboy had come to
one of the other ones my apartment, I would have
shot him with an arrow too. So you're famous for that. Yeah,

(03:15):
that's what I do. Yeah, that's actually why we brought
you on. There's gonna be a lot of talk of
arrows today. Uh So. The immediate response for much of
the Internet to John Chow's journey and death was distaste
and even hatred for his actions. People called him a colonizer.
Some people attacked him as a bad person for recklessly
risking the lives of everyone on that island by exposing
their stone age immune systems to his twenty first century pathogens.

(03:38):
Uh In the days since his death, the Indian government
has failed to recover his body and announced that they
will no longer attempt to do so. His religious compatriots,
who will talk more about later, have been kind of torn.
There have been, in total fairness, a lot of Christians
and even a lot of Christians in the missionary community
who have been like, it's really clear, these people don't
want to talk to us. This was a bad call.
But a lot have also risen up to defend him

(03:59):
and have written articles Christianity Today and The Washington Post
pointing out that John Chow was hardly some thoughtless adventure.
They know that he trained as a wilderness EMT before
going They know that he took linguistics training. They note
that he got heavily vaccinated and spent time in what
is vaguely described as a quarantine before going over there.
So their argument seems to be that no, no, no,
he's not he this was an act of love, and

(04:20):
this was something he prepared for heavily. And I think
the fact that he prepared for it so heavily is
kind of what condemns him in my eyes, because he
will have known the history that to today. So wait,
as far as let me just reach back into a
tiny bit of biology training too, It's like if he
made himself heavily vaccinated, that makes him more likely to
be carrying the pathogens that there. These people are not vaccinated.

(04:42):
No no no, no, no no, because that's the great things
That's why vaccines are helpful, is that like there's people
who can't get vaccinated with datating systems and then you
can't spread the flu to them. It's one of those things. Uh.
It sounds like he put in a lot of work
to try to be safe to them, but also like
I went through e m T training, it does not
include how to do a quarantine on yourself. You can

(05:02):
contact health. That's not part of the E. M. T.
P Y Jesus. So. The first European to describe the
Andaman Islands was Marco Polo. He said that the people
there were quote a brutish and savage race, having heads,
eyes and teeth like those of dogs. They are very
cruel and kill and eate every foreigner whom they can
lay their hands upon. Now, old Marco was not one

(05:25):
for actual field research. Historians suspect that he basically heard
some vague rumors and then reported on them as if
they were his own findings, which kind of have the
whole Marco Polo thing but the brand. So that's okay,
that's what you do. And as a hack and a fraud,
I appreciate fraud. So there is clearly a neugget of
truth there. And I think he probably did talk to
some people who had been around the Anaman Islands, some

(05:46):
like Indians who had been in that area, because what
he says about them murdering every foreigner they can get
their hands on is one of the through lines of
this story because in the centuries before they were contacted,
anytime someone got close to the Andamans. It was just
shooting like that has been the whole island Shane's policy
for quite a while now. The animate islands are located
in the Bay of Bengal, which is to India with

(06:07):
the Gulf of Mexico is to the United States. Only.
While the Gulf of Mexico has been turned into a
floating pile of garbage and flesh eating bacteria by the filthy,
filthy people of the East Coast, the Bay of Bengal
is not one endless oil spill, although I'm sure it has.
It's probably will be. It will be everything, will they Yeah,
don't worry once we catch them up, Yeah to our
cool society, we'll get them on the same train. Yeah.

(06:30):
You guys should see what we did to the Gulf
in Texas. People lose their skin. They all deserve the
luxury of the worst that nature can do. That is
the beauty of our system. Um. Now, the animans are
kind of in the middle of the bay, closer to
Thailand than the mainland of the Indian subcontinent. In other words,
geographically speaking, there in the middle of nowhere, east of Jesus,

(06:51):
isolated as fun so it's easy to understand why. It
wasn't until seventeen seventy one that the grasping hand of
colonialism first realized that there was ship worths doling there.
So this is one of the latest parts in the
globe that, like colonial people start to explore such a
pain in the ask that resources are. It's probably relatively small,
if I'm recalling that, it's very small, not having pretty

(07:15):
good boats to get out there. People aren't doing this
in the fift're white people aren't. Yeah, seventeen rubber not enough,
sweet sweet rubber, although that was later than this as well.
We were congo at this. Not enough. I mean the
Portuguese's a copper Yeah, definitely not enough copper for our desires.

(07:35):
I don't know that actually, but I assume they don't
have much copper. I feel like, you know, in terms
of ease of boat murder. Yeah, not worth it. I've
known a couple of people from the animals and they
didn't look like they had a lot of copper. Yeah,
and individually, I mean, neither do any of us. And
I think we have copper. That may be a bad
way to judge that. I literally I haven't had a

(07:57):
copper in years, so seventeen anyone is the year that
the East India Company frequent Yeah, yeah, you guys do
you guys have a musical sting for them? Yet we
should there should be like a dune dune dun for
the recurring characters. East India has got to be right
up there, because yeah, as soon as the British East
India Company comes into a story, you know there's going

(08:17):
to be some genocide. You know, there's gonna be some genocide,
and it's gonna be really half as that's their number
one brand. Yeah, is half asked genocide. Yeah, the British
Empire could best be described as slow Nazis in terms
of like their death toll, Like they didn't do it
at a hate. It was just like, oh, we accidentally
fucked up all the agriculture in India and thirty million
people died. Are bad? Yeah, yeah, like accident, the accidental Nazi,

(08:43):
the accidental slow Nazi. So the East India Company survey
ship Diligent first sale past North centonl Island in seventeen
seventy one, it reported, and that's the island, of course
where John Chow was killed with the Sentinelis tribe and such.
It reported quote a multitude of lights upon the shore,
so it seemed to be heavily populated. At this point,
the ship rolled on without stopping because when it got

(09:03):
too close to other islands people had shot arrows at
the boat. For a long time, the animals in general
were too far away into dangerous to be worth exploding exploiting.
So the East India Company for yeah, well either they
find it in seventeen seventy one, but the British don't
really do anything about it. Like the middle of nowhere,
everybody's shooting at us. Why take that stress on? Yeah,
you have to be a pretty small island for the

(09:24):
British to be like not worth here. They really, we're
not good at leaving tiny island chain. Yeah, they love it.
They love that ship. So it was not until December
eighteen fifty seven when colonialism actually started to take an
interest in the animals. That's when another ship from the
East India Company, a steamer named the Pluto, came barreling

(09:47):
through the waters of the Andaman Islands. The boat had
been sent from the capital of company controlled India, Calcutta,
to study the islands and see if they might be
a good place to put one of the penal colonies
that British were so very long. Cool, they love them
some if you if you've ever talked to about Australia
the British colonies, Yeah, I mean we got the Mad
Max movies out of that, so it's not all bad. Yeah. Yeah,

(10:08):
there was some genocide, a lot of genocide, actually a
huge amount of genocide on going up to the present moment.
But Max, but so Push pretty good movies. Push. Yeah,
you gotta take what you can. That's right out of history. Yeah,
the Bright Shining Lights. Yeah. And you know, Fosters isn't
a good beer, but I have been places where it's

(10:28):
the best beer, and those are sad places, but they're
places where you need beer. Yeah. I guess they do
those meat pies where they pour soup on them. Oh cool.
I don't know about that, but I feel like you could.
You could have done that in Newcastle too, so yeah, yeah,
I feel like that's probably a British thing they just stole.
Well they're British, but they took along with them. Yeah.

(10:51):
So at that point in history eighteen fifty seven, the
Indian subcontinent was busy being convulsed by the Sepoy rebellion,
a bloody mutiny of the East India companies, Indu and
Muslim troops, sparked by the fact that the British had
not told these very religious colonial soldiers that they relied
on in order to keep control in their colonies that
the Ammo cartridges they used were soaked in pig and

(11:11):
cow fat. So they went out of their way to
not tell Hindu and Muslim soldiers that like the act
of using the bullets that they were being issued with
them to violate there was, so there was there was
a little bit of a rebellion and such, which is
so funny too because it's like, hey, that ship is
fucking superstition man like you, you would risk your already

(11:32):
tenuous hold on these fucking murder sellouts by having them
violate there. I guess. I guess the trick there was
to have Muslim troops kill Hindu civilians and vice versa.
I mean, that's what they did in the whole empire.
You would try to get troops like That's how it
were Idi Amine came from. It's like his trade and
you're like, oh, we can send them to other parts

(11:54):
of Africa and they'll give a just let the sectarianism continue.
That was all. That's colonialism and shell But they were
not always good at it, as the Sepoy rebellion is
evidence of. We'll talk about that in more detail in
another episode, but you know today that that's what's happening.
That's why they need penal colonies. Uh so that bay
In eighteen fifty seven, the Pluto comes, you know, rolling

(12:16):
through the animals. The journey had been pretty good for
most of its length. The crew was very multinational, not
just British people, but a lot of like Indians and
stuff like it was it was a pretty mixed multicultural
more diversity in our slave ships. Well they were sailors,
they're getting paid, sure, yeah, yeah, are not a slave
ships are fucking colonial? Yeah, quasi paramilitary navy ish yeah

(12:42):
style vessels. Yeah yeah, that's a better attitude. Not two
similar to the Nostromo, I guess no, Actually a lot
like the Nostromo. Yeah, there's a lot like that. I've
read a lot of detail about their Their ship had
a band and stuff. They didn't have a cap, but
they had a dog. It's kind of like the Nostromo.
If the alien was the one that you owned up

(13:02):
sympathetic for. Well you don't. We got this movie, okay,
So yeah, the crew had yeah, but sailing around the
islands looking for places to put a penal colony. And
then when they were near the end of their expedition,
the Pluto man ran smack dab into a group of
several animon ees fishermen hanging out in canoes doing their thing. Now,
this was the first interaction any East Indian personnel, and

(13:23):
I think any Europeans had ever had with antimonies people.
They'd spotted a few tribesmen and women during their voyage
from like the water, but always at a distance. And
what glimpses that usually had ended in an animate e
shooting arrows at them. When when was this this was? So?
What were arms like for European folks? Pretty good, pretty

(13:44):
decent rifles at that you're talking like civil war level technology.
Rival is a pretty formidable thing. Yeah, so it's still yeah,
so a lot of a lot of flintlock rifles and
stuff like that. You know. So maybe they had muskets
or whatever. I don't know how advanced the firearm the count,
but there was they had got that point. Yeah, they
had guns, and they were probably pretty decent. So the

(14:06):
Pluto saw the fisherman as an opportunity to make first contact,
which they thought was really exciting. There, so we get
to talk to these and they it seems like they
were probably good intentions with these guys, who are like, Oh,
it's exciting, we'll get to meet you know, the human beings.
That's a really cool thing for us to be able
to do. So they sent out a couple of long
boats filled with men, including the chairman of the Andaman Committee,
which was the group of people running this boat to

(14:28):
the Andaman Committee, because it's a corporation, so you've got
you know, you've got your board of directors for the boat.
So it's a little bit like a SpaceX. This is
exactly like how SpaceX would have explored exactly this is
this is exactly that sort of situation. Uh so I
could what could go wrong? So they get out on

(14:49):
their boats and they're sailing towards these Andiman fishermen who
are just a little dugout canoes and like the canoes
that these people use, they're taking like trees that they
chopped down tropical hardwoods and for months carving out the
center of the tree to make a canoe. So these
are pretty primitive boats, pretty low tech people. Um and
so yeah, they sail out to them with like a
couple of dozen dudes, and the chairman of the Andaman

(15:09):
Committee waves his white handkerchief the fisherman and hopes that
they will know that this means peace, even though they're
an uncontacted Stone tribe. Who does in most cases, I
don't think most of these tribes even had writing, so
kind of a stretch to assume the new little white
flags or a flag because they don't have nations. I
guess they have cloth. They do, they don't wear anything.

(15:31):
They naked. They wear jewelry and stuff, but they don't
really wear clothing. Yeah, they're not making much in the
way of cloth. They sure don't have flags. Um. So
this guy waves his white handkerchief at the fisherman and
they have no idea what he's doing, so they just
start shooting at them, which is what they do and
why in eighteen fifty seven they're one of the only

(15:51):
people who have not been fucked with bi colonialism because
they try to murder everyone. It's a smart strategy. So
they do the thing that's always worked before, and they
start shooting at these guys, but the company men fire
back with you know, pretty modern guns and stuff. So
they kill three and amones, including the chief uh and
he's described by the men who were there as having
fallen back in his canoe quote almost with the dignity

(16:12):
of Caesar. So they're sad that they have to do this,
but they, you know, they open fire. I don't think
the anemies kill any but a bunch of these guys
get injured by their own men because one of the
boat's fires on the other boat in a panic because
they're not you know, the East India companies getting the
cheapest soldiers. They generally can't good fire even with good soldiers. Yeah,

(16:32):
good fire. Guess what folks, To this day gunfire is
insanely unpredictable. Well and yeah, I mean you look at
like desert storm and we probably lost more men to
our own rockets setting them than giving the iraqis. It's
it's pretty common today, so no one seems to know how.
But during this brief fight with the enemy's, one of
the enemies fishermen wound up on the company's boat or

(16:55):
in a company long boat. I want to quote from
a tremendously fine article in The Americans Scholar titled quote
the Last Island of the Savages, which is the best
thing anyone's written on the Ennemans on this aspect of
the end means that I've come across at least uh.
It is not clear how he got there. The only
sources we have are two different accounts by the Animan
Committee chairman. One says that the man was seized as

(17:16):
he tried to swim away, the other that he grabbed
a leather strap thrown him from the long boat. Willingly
or not, he fell into enemy hands and was brought
back to the Pluto. Once aboard the steamer, at least,
he does not seem to have struggled. The sailors promptly
named him Jack and dressed him in an old coat
and trousers. The clothes must have belonged to one of
the cabin boys, since Jack, though a full grown adult,
was well under five feet. One of the crewmen gave

(17:37):
him a plug of chewing tobacco, which he swallowed. Another
tried to teach him, unsuccessfully to smoke a clay pipe.
So cool we murdered this guy's friends. He adopted him
from the only life he's ever known. I guess we'll
give him drugs. Oh my god. I mean, I guess
that's as good a chance of any as like it.
When when we first encounter aliens, that's a ship that's

(17:58):
going to happen. I mean, the first thing I'm offering
an alien is either a joint or sex, and I
have a standing offer all fun any alien. Yeah, anything
from another planet con sentiment. Yeah, you can't say no.
You got to give that a shot, which is why
I'm going to bring space cyphilis back to the world.
Probably wipe out two thirds of the planet, but it'll
be worth it, Oh yeah, especially for us. Yeah, so

(18:20):
we didn't need that two thirds. So the Animan Commission
report from the time does make a claim as to
how Jack wound up on board. Quote, one of the
natives win in the water sees a strap thrown to
him from the second cutter and was taken on board.
The committee deliberated anxiously as to the disposal of this man,
whether to release or to carry him to Calcutta. They
ultimately decided on the latter course is the one required

(18:41):
by the interests of humanity. Although attended with hardship to
the individual until he can be instructed sufficiently to know
the reasons which led to his removal from his country
and his kindred. So the interest of humanity. Yeah, these
business guys are like, we got to abduct this guy.
Obviously I'm not a hundred percent clear, but it sounds
like from some of the reports I read, they took
the skull ols of a couple of the people they
killed too, So it sounds like they may have skeletonized

(19:04):
his friends and brought them on the boat too, and
then been like this, let's take this guy. Yes, that's
kind of more common practice of the day. It's very
it's what you do. Phrenology and stuff is a thing.
Is there are new people and I miss hearing it
felt a little bit like the alternative they were offering
was just dumping him overboard and killing him. No. I mean,
I'm gonna guess these are island people. I'm gonna guess

(19:25):
he's a decent swimmer. They could have they could have
dropped him off in an island and been like, sorry, yeah, yeah,
we didn't want a gunfight to happen. Yeah, probably shouldn't have. Anyway,
they abduct him instead. Now, There is one heartwarming detail
in today's entire terrible story, and I'm going to drop
it now. Good. While Jack was languishing on the smelly, weird,

(19:46):
smoke belching boat filled with aliens and probably the corpses
of his friends, he encountered a type of creature he
had never seen before, Neptune, the ship's dog. There were
no dogs or wolves on the Eneman Islands, and yet
Jack instantly recognized that dogs are good. He hugged the
animal and started petting it, and the two became best
friends for the duration of their voyage home. So yeah,

(20:08):
Neptune was Jack's only solace on his long abduction from Calcutta.
So that's pretty cool that this guy has never seen
a dog before, winds up in the most terrifying situation
a person can be in, and immediately it's like, oh,
but that things cool. Yeah, clearly that's my friend. Yeah,
dogs are good. Yeah. I do want to note that
as bad as all this sounds, it was being done

(20:29):
with the most humanitarian of intentions by company personnel, or
at least that's how they justified this themselves. At this point,
the NI obliteration of the Native Americans in North and
South America was well known and considered to be a
horrific cautionary tale by the British. These guys were really yeah,
I mean because it was it was terrible what was done.
I mean there were people who recognize that at the time,
maybe not in America, but a lot of people around

(20:51):
the world, and there was a lot of sympathy. This
is a long running thing in Europe, like it's why
Hitler was always obsessed with Native American novels and stuff,
like it's a thing, this sort of like fetishization of
native cultures. But it was very much there was that
attitude that it was a tragedy. Isn't new people at
the time because in seven we're still fucking with the
Native America. People in like Europe and other parts of

(21:13):
the world at the time knew that was messed up.
And the fact that a lot of these guys, you know,
they didn't have the detail now that we have about
how many people were in North and South America before
colonial contact and how many died from the disease. But
they knew that a lot of them had died from disease.
They didn't have germ theory, but it was pretty clear
tended to end badly. So these guys would not be

(21:34):
considered woke by modern standards, but by the standards of
the time and of the British Empire, a lot of
the people involved in these decisions were pretty progressive people, right, Well,
what the alternative alternative was murdering everyone? Yeah, so anything
shy of that pretty good? Yeah, yeah, exactly. So there
was no desire to enslave Jack or put him in
a cage. This isn't like a Christopher Columbus thing, where

(21:55):
like we find these people and I mean, well, let's like,
but they did take him back to Calcutta and he
was kept in the mansion of the Andaman Committee chairman.
He was given fine suits of tailored clothing and taken
around to all the high society Calcutta had to offer.
He met the Viceroy, Lord Canning, and greeted his wife
by trying to quote blow into her hand with a
cooing murmur. This was apparently a traditional greeting of his people.

(22:18):
And I have trouble picturing it myself, but that's how
I was described. I don't yeah, I don't know, I'm
doing it. Oh, everly that's the sound. So Jack did
eventually seem to get into the swing of things, and
it seems like he even started to enjoy being the
talk of the town and taken care of stuff, you know.

(22:39):
Compared to say, again, like Christopher Columbus first contact with
the Andaman people was relatively less terrible. Yes, still exploitative,
still gross in a lot of ways, but again you
can see the difference. You can see these people know
it's fucked up to do what Columbus did, and they
don't want to be that, right, right, right, So worth
pointing out in some as those people are more woke

(23:01):
than a lot of Americans living today. Well yeah, just
just to be fair, that's not unfair. Um, it's always
been a curve so and and it was still pretty
gross in their time too. I don't want to cover
that up either. At one point, a picture of Jack
was taken to be sent to Alexander von Humboldt, the
German naturalists who became the namesake for my favorite county
in America. Jack was asked to pose naked for this photo,

(23:24):
and he'd gotten used to wearing clothes at this point
and kind of realized it was weird that they wanted
him to be naked, so he refused, but eventually they
needled him until he agreed to strip. I only bring
this up because it will not be the last time
that we talked about creepy force, nudity and the animate people. Yeah.
I saw some of the news reports. Yeah, so we
are going to continue talking about what happens to Jack

(23:46):
not great, uh, And we're going to continue talking about
the accidental genocide of the animate islands. But first, something
intentional that's not genocide is the products and services that
support this podcast. And we're back. We're talking about Jack,

(24:08):
the first animan to meet white people and how that goes.
Which did he ever or maybe you're getting to this,
did he ever manage to leave behind anything written? Or no?
And I don't think that was a priority of other people,
right right right. There was clearly some communication that they
were able to work out. But I mean it's one

(24:28):
of those things if you grow up in a society
without writing to adulthood, Yeah, the odds of you. It's
not that there are any less intelligent, because I've been
reading about some of these tribes, and the average people
in these will be able to recognize something like four
hundreds something different plants, many of with individual like three
or four hundred different animal species. Like, there's a lot

(24:49):
of knowledge in these places, but they don't focus on
the same things. Yeah, and it's it's hard to imagine
someone picking that up writing at adulthood without the concept.
And I'm sure there was not a already to teach
him anything. No, I mean, I'm sure there was proty
to teach him how to behave in public. I don't
think people were like, oh, and he should probably read

(25:09):
the rights of man. Yeah, right. Uh So, after about
two weeks in Calcutta, Jack got horribly ill with cholera. Surprise,
company doctors gave him medicine, but since medicine back then
was mostly nonsense and whiskey, it didn't do much to
alleviate things. Jack got over the cholera, but wound up
with severely inflamed lungs, so maybe he didn't really get over.

(25:32):
The colug company panicked because public relations was a thing
now and Jack had become something of a sensation. It
would not look good if he died in their care.
They agree that the most ethical way to deal with
this living tragedy was to ship Jack back to the animals,
so he could die far away from the press, oh
and be back with his family. Yeah yeah. The visor
ordered him sent back. He was given presents, many presents,

(25:53):
and shipped back to his home on South Reef Island.
He'd gotten sicker the whole time he was on board,
because that's how dying works. By the time they dropped
him off alone naked on the shore with a bunch
of pots and pans and tailored clothing. The ship's search
and noted quote it could not be ascertained whether he
was pleased or not at being restored to his home. Jesus, right, yeah,

(26:13):
he's the upgraded version of smallpox point kids, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They take this guy to their thing, they give him
some clothes, they get him sick, and then they drop
him off when they don't know what else to do
with him back on his islands covered with modern industrialized
nation pathogens. Yeah, one presumes Jack died. One also presumes
that he may have spread his super fun diseases to

(26:35):
his fellow anim and these people who had never been
exposed in them before. So we don't know exactly how
many people were in the animals prior to the British coming.
Prior to Jack being sent back. We can presume from
the context clues that British contact with the Islands was
just as virulent and devastating in the animals as it
was basically everywhere else, regardless of their good intentions, whether

(26:56):
or not Jack spread cholera or whatever to his fellow's
disease quickly tour through the islands is the first European
and Indian settlers landed because they were going to build
that fucking penal Colony. Company established Port Blair in seventeen
eighty nine. It became the Empire's capital in the Damans
until rampant sickness and death forced them to move it
in seventeen oh even sickness and deaths because they're all

(27:18):
still and yeah, yeah, it's the jungle. Medicine is whiskey. Yeah,
like they don't have a lot of British people die
into Yeah, And I guess for what it's worth. I
mean we always talk about modern pathogens, but it's more
just like different pathogens, right, Like that's part of it,
is like you can just have different stuff. I mean,
the odds are not as high. I guess the biggest

(27:39):
thing is that we live around animals. Everyone in even
in India too, which I think is probably why you
didn't hear about like the same sort of diseases sweeping
through them, because like, well, they already lived the domesticated
Yeah animals vaguely remember that part of gun stumps and steel. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So there's a lot of reasons this goes badly. Um So,

(27:59):
the author of that wonderful American scholar article, Adam Goodheart,
actually traveled to the National Archives of India in New
Delhi and looked over some of the books from the
records of the company and the British Raj's rule in
the Andaman Islands. Entries in these notebooks include titles like
quote flogging to check a natural crime in the settlement
of Port Blair, Mortality among the sheeps sent from Calcutta,

(28:22):
Branding of life prisoners, Sentence of death passed on Bialio
alias Philip and Andam Andes Port Blair Superintendent applies for
large ice machine. Okay, this is the kind of going
on that ice machine. That pretty I mean, I assume
that's a machine. Branding people is not nice, but I
do support ice, yeah, not the department, but this and

(28:46):
the flogging thing. I guess that's just data you're collecting. Yeah,
flogging to unnatural crime, which I am curious about. What
probably having whatever the British considered wrong sex. Yeah, yeah,
that would be my guess. Now. According to Goodheart, the
number one topic of discussion between the authorities and Calcutta
and their officers and the animals was what was to

(29:07):
be done with the Andamanese aboriginal people. Quote. The British
arrived in the islands determined that their contact would be
above reproach. They did not behave like the Americans on
the upper plains, or the Belgians and the Congo raping
and butchering for sport, nor had they any desire to
repeat the unpleasant experience of their compatriots in Tasmania, whose
careless expansionism had led to the accidental extinction of an

(29:28):
entire race. British have a history of that. Rather than
the first Superintendent was dispatched to the animals in eighteen
fifty eight with the unequivocal instructions that the natives be
treated with the greatest forbearance and humanity, and that they
be promptly informed that our intentions towards the people of
the Andamans are of the most friendly character. So again,
were your buddies were just here to help that we're here.

(29:48):
You're not using these all of the land prisoners. We
might mind some stuff. That's all a little bit on
mining and little hit of the British Empire. We swear
it won't become a problem. How likely is that at
least they're trying good for you don't want good for that,

(30:09):
good for the British Empire. I say that all the time.
So the antemn these people, by contrast, made it clear
that they wanted not one fucking thing to do with
the British Empire. The standard response by these people was
to flee if there were too many British people, or
to try and murder them and self defense. Repeated ambushes
of Royal and Company troops eventually sparked a war and
a great battle wherein men with spears charged a modern

(30:31):
British warship and its modern British guns. This did not
end well for the Anemones people. In fairness to them,
if you're at their level of technological sophistication and you
see a steamboat with cannons on it, you probably think
that's a monster Yeah, we just have to all charge
it and killed it. It's it's like it's like a dinosaur. Yeah,
it's it's what you would do. Anyone would would have

(30:54):
that way, something that looked similar to this giant monster
coming on. What do you do? What do you do? Anyway?
Once they were beaten and subdued by rampant disease, most
of the aim and E survivors eventually appeared to decide,
if you can't beat them, join them. They stopped fleeing,
started hanging out in British settlements and asking for coconuts
and liquor and cigarettes. The British, in response to this,
setup and Andese homes where volunteers would be allowed to

(31:17):
live if they let the Englishmen try to civilize them.
By British estimation, they took pretty good care of the
anemones natives. One official at the time noted, quote, the
government of British India has adopted a policy towards the
aborigines of the Andaman Islands which has made them, above
all races of savages, the most carefully tended and petted.
It's not nice. Doesn't give you a little shiver, right? Yeah?

(31:39):
When you read what colonialists colonizers wrote about what they
were doing, even the ones who aren't like outwardly racist
and say the Indians like Andrew Jackson level, it's all
just so gross. Yeah. Yeah, well it's still like the
phrenology level of classifying humans like races of sava. Yeah. Yeah. Now,

(32:02):
many Aboriginals were adopted temporarily by company officials who spent
time in the islands. Uh, they would like live in
their houses and work as servants and stuff. Some nicknames
for these people because the British could never learn their
real names, found in documents include quote Topsy Snowball, Jumbo,
Kitty Boy, Ruth Naomi, Joseph Crusoe, Friday, Tar Baby, King,

(32:24):
John Moriarty, Totalis, Punch, Jacko, Jingo Sambo, and Queen Victoria
Jesus Christ. I mean, I guess right, it is is
is they were treating them like animals. I mean, I
can't blame him for totist, because if I knew a
guy with no toast, I would call him totist or
a bunch of extra toast. Yeah, I would call him tofal. Yeah,

(32:46):
that's that One's okay. You see someone without toes, you
call him totist. Can't blame a man for that. All
the others though, Yeah, well it's it's like they're treating
them like pets. So yeah, they're treating like snowball. Yeah yeah.
Queen Victoria, that is literally the name of the cat
in the Simpsons. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty bad. Yeah, pretty bad,

(33:10):
and pretty bad, better than they've ever done it before.
Pretty bad, and yet the best of this sort of yeah, yeah,
because at least they're not whipping them to death for
a rubber Yeah, not often, not often. They whipped them
the death, but not for rubber them. And if they
happen to die, they whipped them too hard, and they
whipped them too hard, and that's regrettable and they know that, yeah,

(33:32):
and they feel bad, they do. The animal people became
briefly something of a meme around the British Empire. Hundreds
of books and photographs were passed around England with images
of naked tribesmen fishing and dancing and worshiping. You have
to remember that white people at this time were just
as fascinated by stories of native tribes as we've always seen,
but this was the first example, you know, in sort
of this modern era of photographs, being available of an

(33:53):
uncontacted tribe being really reached, so that they're able to like, oh,
we can show people what it would have looked like
in North Amora back before we killed all right, right, yeah,
you know that. That that's kind of the the attitude here,
and so that's why people are just fascinated with all
these pictures they can get of the enemies. Um. Now,
one thing that helped to spread the popularity of the
Enemies people was the fact that, oddly enough, they seemed

(34:15):
to be slowly dying out. How that works now, Between
eighteen sixty four and eighteen seventy nine, hundred and fifty
babies were born by the women living in the Andemnese home.
None of these babies lived past two. It was noted
by observers at the time that it seemed as if
the will of the Anemones people to continue existing had
been broken. Sure, yeah, now to the beyond that is

(34:36):
there any It's just disease, probably just disease. But they
were noted as all being depressed, maybe because all their
friends had died. Uh, And the STDs didn't help. Europeans
had instantly as soon as they started establishing settlements in
the islands began fetishizing the anemones women, and so syphilis
and ganaia tore through the unprepared immune systems of the
Aboriginal women like wildfire. This came as a real surprise

(34:59):
to the British government. They'd assumed that quote excessive development
of fat around the gluteal region that had been noted
in Aboriginal females and the animals would stop the British
soldiers and sailors from finding them attractive. Yeah that's pretty gross, right,
That's that's pretty rough. That's literally the uh the open too.
Baby got back, yeah, but with genocide. Baby got back,

(35:20):
but but genocide. Yeah. So it was into this environment
that we have just been painstakingly setting up. Eighteen seventy
nine that a man named Maurice dal Portman was made
officer in charge of the Anemones Now. Portman had joined
the Royal Indian Marine at age sixteen and risen quickly
through the ranks until he found himself basically the guy

(35:41):
in charge of the dying and amnes race. I'd like
to quote from his obituary because it really gives you
a sweet, sweet hit of that British Empire flavor. That
we've all come to love. But yeah, get ready here
now this was written five by the way, Yeah, for
the times of London. In many parts of the islands,
the natives will still ferocious enemies, or at best half tamed,

(36:02):
and his work consisted in making contact with them and
very gradually bringing them to recognize the value of British
rule above all men. He had the native touch, that rare,
mysterious gift that attracts and makes friends at once with natives,
and slowly, through a long period of years he made
his gift prevail. Work of extraordinary difficulty, for most of

(36:23):
them were as shy as wild animals, and often of
extreme danger. He would frequently have to land on their beaches,
standing up in an open boat amid a shower of
poisoned arrows. But in course of due time he won
them by sheer personal magnetism. He doctored them. They were
very rapidly dying out from venereal disease. He judged them,
and if necessary, he hanged them Ah nineteen thirty five

(36:47):
Jesus Ah. Also they were dying out also he hanged them. Yeah, well,
you know that's the good and the I don't feel
so bad of our all the ship I wrote about
John McCain. Oh it's fine man, fuck itt. Wow, there's
plenty of fun and obituaries. Yeah, be a dick, it's

(37:09):
good now that's from his yeah between the time, don't know. Obviously,
his obituary in the Times of London is not an
unbiased account of Mr Portman's life. At times. I did
find a more balanced description of his life in the
book Lonely Islands than Negrito People in the Out of
Africa Story of the Human Race. And I should pause
you to say that is where the comedy group got
their name from. Oh my god, is that? Oh yeah,

(37:30):
Lovely Island? Oh yeah, no, I mean maybe. Uh. The
Aboriginals of the Animate Islands are called the Negrito people
because they are black skinned and they were essentially sixty
something thousand years ago, people from Africa figured out how
to get boats up to the Animate Islands, which I
can't even comprehend what kind of current that's journey would take.

(37:54):
That sounds insane, but they made it storms in an
accident and like you fucking survived and that's where you
lived now, I mean, but that's a long like that's
that feels intentions. People were looking for something I don't know. Yeah,
I mean, I don't know what. How else And the
name calling them the negree to a people was a
name given to them by racists in a racist time.
It's but that's one of the terms you'll hear for

(38:16):
these people. I feel uncomfortable saying it because it's tough,
feels gross. But anyway, Uh, here's a quote from that book,
Lonely Islands quote. This is about Portman. He was very
popular with the Anemones, enough to attract his predecessor's envy.
Yet he could be a stern, even brutal colonial administrator,
not hesitating to burn down anem and these villages who
had somehow offended to quote show them who was the master,

(38:39):
as he put it himself, and to hang the insane
son of a chieftain. He was also personally brave, repeatedly
facing down armed Anemones war parties without flinching. So Apportman
is sort of the best case scenario for an officer
of a brutal colonial empire, because he does seem to
have at least genuinely cared about the Anemones people in
their culture. He learned twelve local language just during the

(39:00):
time he worked there, So he was not like an
oblivious guy. He cared about communicating with these people, and
he wrote several anthropological histories of tribes in the area
that didn't include really useful information about their culture. So
he was not just a guy who burned down villages,
but he was a guy who burned down villages. Yeah. Unfortunately,
Portman also almost certainly possessed an unquenchable desire to funk

(39:21):
the men of the Andimnese Islands, and since he was
a good servant of the crown, he seems to have
sublimated that desire into dozens and dozens of unsettlingly erotic
photographs and detailed descriptions of their genitals. And that's what
we're gonna be talking about after some none of which
will contain the tailed descriptions of genitals. I some of

(39:44):
our ads are randomly slotted. If I don't lead an ad,
it's a random ad. People got angryst because like one
came on for the Emirates Airline. We've complained about that
should be removed from the thing, But like we don't
know what what comes up, so it is possible I
was gonna say fairly reasonable of in the state of
podcast advertising today, there's gonna be a dead genital mentioned
in that ad. I hope not. It's possible. You never

(40:07):
know if an ad comes on that's advertising detailed depictions
of genitals. I apologize. It was not my intention to
lie to you. You could be an E. D. But
that's a little different. A braik and we're back. We
just got finished with a shrieking loud fire alarm. This

(40:28):
has been quite the day over the offices. But now
it's time to talk about the animans more. When we're
last talking, we were talking about that guy Portman and
the we're about to start talking about his erotic photographs
and detailed descriptions of the genitals of the native Animonise people. Sure, yeah,
let's get back into it. Who among us has not
taken erotic genitalia photos in the name of science? Who

(40:51):
among us has not committed colonialism via pictures of dicks?
By the eighteen nineties, basically the only thing that Portman
did anymore, he'd en up all the other aspects of
his job, and he pretty much just took pictures of
anem and these people now not just pictures He also
described their bodies in deeply uncomfortable detail. He made a
lot of money doing this. At the time, it probably

(41:12):
looked like a scheme to pat out his salary by
selling photographs. But historical perspective makes it seem like something
else was at stake here. So I'd like to quote
from a fabulous historical study published by satadru Sin of
Queen's College depicting Portman's photographs. Quote. In one image, a
robed Portman poses regally on an improvised throne, with a

(41:32):
group of semi naked anemone standing beside him. The names
of the islanders, who are given as a group of
anemones chiefs are given in the caption. All have authentic
anem and these names. They do not inhabit the frightening
and alienating tropical jungle of the colonial imagination that savages
renamed Crusoe and Friday inhabited in the early days of
the settlement. One man, a thirty five year old named
Reala It described elsewhere in the archive as the titular

(41:55):
king of the Animans, and is said to have been
given this title by the British in eighteen seventy eight.
Wan himself was instrumental in these kinds of appointments, having
installed Aboriginal men as chiefs after eighteen seventy nine. Several
other Aboriginal men wearing white robes marked with crosses, stand
formally among them, but they are external to the pictured community,
identified only as staff. And another image in the same file,

(42:15):
Portman is dressed in a kind of white Safari suit.
He reclines on the ground, surrounded by the principal chiefs
of the South Andamans who wear nothing. In a third picture,
probably taken in the same session, he steps forward aggressively
from the center of a line of naked Aborigines. So
again Portman dressed to the nines, everyone else naked, sort
of like pictures a closeted jetticidal dan bills are in

(42:40):
He's like, yo, this is this is the life. Yeah,
he is doing this for the Graham. Yeah yeah. And
it's also unsettlingly and uh exploitatively sexual, just like the Graham,
just like the still still tracks. Sata Drew identified much
of Portman's for photography as quote quite conventionally erotic, more

(43:02):
specifically homo erotic. He goes on to note that this
is to be expected in the art of imperialism in
India in the eighteen nineties. Okay, yeah, that's the best,
is what scholars are like. Well, of course, and all
the British guys did this. There was a lot of
weird homo erotic photography and sexualizing of native bodies done

(43:24):
throughout the British Empire. It was a capital a capital
t thing. Uh. So we don't precisely know that Portman
was gay. There are no references in the historical record
to any lovers he may have had, but we do
know he never married. And Sata Drew notes that his
chosen photographic subjects are almost all male and almost always nude.
Portman himself regularly praised the attractiveness of Andemon's men, writing

(43:47):
at one point that quote, many of the men are
good looking, as they have none of the thick lips,
high cheat bones, and flat noses of the negro type.
So cool, what a weird dig even needs that he's
a weird duum. Yeah, here's another quote. At the center
of his gaze as a particular sort of fantom in

(44:09):
ees who is typically young, male and muscular, Whereas his
photographs of heads capture equal numbers of males and females.
The other images, especially those that might be described as
casually posed or overwhelmingly pictures of males, a few show
individuals younger than fourteen or older than forty, and none
of those depicted as wrinkled by age your illness. Even
in an era where it had become common for British observers,

(44:29):
including Portman, to comment on the devastation of the and
amnes by syphilis, measles and pulmonary disease, when behind his camera,
Portman sought to record not that a crepitude brought on
by civilization, but the beauty of a savage body that
he had recuperated in the clearing. The discourse of imminent
extinction provided a context and an urgent justification within which
a vanishing aesthetic asset could be showcased and preserved. So

(44:51):
he took a bunch of naked pictures of people and
justified it by saying, well, they're all dying out, so
we gotta otherwise, we want to have have naked pictures of them.
I mean, I guess he's right. He's right. Here's an
example of the pictures. We'll have this up on the
site behind the bat. Yeah, that's porn. Yeah, that's like,
I'm not a big guy where like any naked picture
of someone is porn. This is specifically well it seems

(45:13):
like he's getting his rocks off. Yeah, it's like what
you would imagine like a playgirl. Yeah, it's like if
you're the National Geographic and you go to a place
where people don't wear clothes and you just take pictures
of them doing their thing. It's actually about that this
is a point in time in which many of the
Anemones do wear close because the British are in charge.
He's not going out into the uncontacted tribes and making

(45:37):
them take He's getting people who live in towns who
are and Amones aboriginals, and he's making them strip and
put on traditional jewelry, and then he's taking pictures of
them because he thinks it's hot making nudes. He's making nudes.
He's making willingly, unwillingly forcing people to take nudes. Yeah,
I don't think we're seeing them. But also he burned

(46:00):
down villages that don't do what the British wants, so
maybe you're like, we probably can't say no to this.
It's a type of force. I'm back to being comfortable
saying he forced them. Yeah, I think I think there's
it's not consent is not clear in this case. I
have no problem with people taking naked pictures of whoever
if there's consent, I don't think these people can really

(46:22):
consent because of the I can't really be freely. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Now Portman's gross. His pictures are gross. He clearly has
a lot of grossness in him. But one of the
confusing and frustrating things about this sort of anthropological study
is that we as students are indebted to him for
providing us with crucial details about antimonies culture. Uh. And
in a little bit of fairness to him, it was
clearly important to him that these details be preserved, so

(46:44):
it was not pure exploitation. Uh. And I mean we
learned from Nazi experiments too, and that's that's also very
fair to say. That's it. I did come across some
cultural details in his writings in this study that I
read that I really wanted to read because I think
it provides a little bit of fascinating insight into sort
of the culture that was being wiped out at this point.
Quote when the Andemnes meet after a long separation they

(47:06):
cry this custom applying to both sexes for about half
an hour and sometimes till the dusk. After they actually meet,
they sit about a foot apart or I'm not sure
how far apart. It just say, is about apart, take
no notice of each other and do not speak. Then
one approaches the other. They throw their arms around each
other's necks, and, sitting on the ground, cry demonstratively. Others join,
and one may see a heap of tin and amnees

(47:27):
crying and howling in a way that can be heard
a mile off. In the case of men and women,
in particularly of husbands and wives, the man sits on
the woman's legs as shown. The crying may continue for
an hour and generally ends in a dance. That is
by far the most healthy way to do with that.
Seems like a really healthy that I've ever heard, a
really healthy way to deal with seeing someone for the

(47:50):
first time after a long absence, sitting in their presence
and yeah, crying and making it clear. Yeah, it's kind
of beautiful. But it's also like one of those things, right,
It's like this has written It's like, oh, this is
the custom, and it also equally could be this was
the custom reserved for terrible tragedies, and it's just that
we have done nothing but visit terrible tragedies all these

(48:12):
people since we saw them. Yeah, it's impossible to know
exactly the context of this because we just have Portman's recitation,
but it's a tantalizing glimpse of a very complex culture
that was mostly wiped out as we will continue to
change that and again, healthier than ours in some aspects,
for sure. Sure they did a lot of they did.
They did the thing that a lot, and it like

(48:32):
they killed babies and stuff like if your baby is sick,
they're going to kill that baby, Like that's a pretty
normal thing for tribes at that sort of technological level.
There's ugliness. They had wars, they did fucked up ship.
Like when we talk about native cultures, we shouldn't like
idealize them either. They weren't perfect, but not worse than us.
They sure a ship, not worse than us. Yeah. Um,

(48:53):
so there are a bunch of weird findings. In Sata
drew Sin's study of Portman's writings on the enem and East,
he notes that Portman went to great effort to record
details about the exact shape and size of these people,
measuring their skulls probably some phrenology uh, and measuring their
other bodily dimensions, and writing detailed descriptions of men and women.
He describes one seven year old woman named Bia as

(49:14):
very cheerful, pleasant woman, intelligent and bright, docile and not
quarrelsome breath, sweet and no offensive smell from body said.
How Drew notes that in almost all cases, almost all
of the women described as pleasant by Portman are also
described as smelling good. Women described as mean or irritable,
or always described as smelling bad. The vast majority of

(49:34):
Portman's descriptive efforts, however, took on heavily erotic dimensions and
focused on Talia Riwa, a forty four year old man,
is described as very intelligent, government interpreter for the North
and Aman group of tribes, fond of gayety and dancing, violent,
tempered and hectoring disposition, penis and left testical, normal, right testical,
small and atro feed, very lustful. Oh ah, what do

(50:00):
you what do you remember? An throw class that? Well?
But at some point where do we leave lustful off
on the scale? Yes, got to be there somewhere, it
should be right, yeah, Portman describes another man, woy Cella
as quote, exceptionally plucky and brave. Allowed me to fire
at a small pot on his head with an iron
pointed arrow, very good tempered, breath, sweet, not very lustful,

(50:24):
penis unusually large, both testies well formed the same breath.
He let me shoot at his head. His dicks big.
What this is like, I mean, it's it is like
a John Waters movie. At a certain point, I keep
bringing up quotes from and will later in this podcast

(50:46):
weird kindling. But that quote from the poem Mandalay about
the attitude the British had about places like this where
there ain't no tin commandments and a man can raise
a thirst. There's no rules out in the colonies. You
can shoot a thing off a dude's head if you
want to, just ask him. Well, yeah again ask I
mean he exactly. It's like, I mean, we don't know

(51:08):
from the other way, right, you have an arrow trained
upon this man, can I shoot you? It's hard to
make a request in that case. It's like, hey, dude,
I got this bow and arrow. Can I try to
shoot this thing off your head? It's a pretty big dick,
by the way. Yeah, I'm definitely making a note of that. No, oh,

(51:28):
I mean yes, Sorry, I definitely meant yes. In fact, oh,
you're you're burning down village? Just it. Yes, it's always yes, Yeah,
it's never not been yes now. Maurice Vidale Portman is
an important figure in understanding what happened to John Chow,
the young missionary who died in North Sentinel Island, because,
in addition to being a creepy weirdo who wrote extensively
about the genitalia of strangers whilst shooting arrows at their heads,

(51:49):
he was also the first European to make contact with
the Sentinels people. But we will have to wait to
tell that story until Thursday when we have part two.
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have on yours is racist where it's hard to know
whether your merch will be used the wrong way, you know,
just like behind the bastards or anything like that, where
you're like, I do worry that our firebomb a cop
cars might be inciting. They may have been a poor choice.

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You know, that may have been a poor choice. We'll
find out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, let the lawsuits fall where
they may. I probably shouldn't have released those rolling coal
is cool bumper stickers for people's trucks. That was also
an error. Oh yeah, now looking at your page right now,
this is but we we just released a shirt for
advertising go back to Europe Airlines, which is appropriate appropriate

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in the United States. We had some European listeners say,
maybe not such a good look because that's almost like
a neo Nazis as far as yeah, yeah, t shirts
are a dangerous game. Oh well yeah, oh well, suck
it us. You know, if I've learned one thing from
the East India Company, if you can't let the possible

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consequences of your actions given the way of commerce ever, ever, ever,
and on that note, I'm Robert Evans. This has been behind.
The bastards have a bastardful tomorrow. Eight