Part Six: How Heinrich Himmler Went From Nerdy Boy To Master of the SS

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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What is six on housing Fucking Himmler one four eighty
bro I held off. People always wonder like why has

(01:08):
has Robert not done this guy yet? Why has he
not done that guy yet? And there's always a mix
of things like why haven't I done maw yet? Well,
because I don't know a whole lot about Chinese history
and I'm going to have to do a shitload of
reading to like do those episodes well. And I'm just
like nervous about fucking it up and of the amount
of work it's going to take. And Himmler, I was
nervous about the amount of work it was going to take.
But I was primarily nervous because prior to doing this,

(01:28):
I had read a lot of the books on Heinrich
Kimler that exist, and I've just I mean a lot
of this was just going back and rereading portions, but
there's so much I knew. I was like, I'm not
going to be able to write this and like less
than fucking six episodes, like the amount of Heinrik Kimmler
I want to talk about, I'm not going to be
able to do that quickly, so I should wait until
we've really got some time to let these episodes breathe.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, So, dude, I think like I when't like even
with my show, like I come up with an idea.
I'm like dude like CO could feel like, Okay, this
will be fresh, and then I kind of in my
like sort of my imagination start doing the show where
I'm like, okay, So in my head, I would say this, this, this,
and then you get to a point in the thing

(02:10):
where I'd be like, oh, well, this part would need
this type of background understanding. Oh I don't know shit
about that, And then I was like, oh wait, so
then that would mean that I'd have to learn this
and then okay, so I would need to prove this.
I would need to show the statistical data about this,
and then and the workload is just growing in my

(02:31):
imagination and I'm like, yeah, bro, now I'm gonna sit
that idea to decide. Homie like, that's cool. I'll just ye,
we won't have to do this when my children are
on vacation or something.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah. So, before we get into more Himmler, I want
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about a guy who would not have been supportive of
bail funds for the very poor. Heinrich Himmler. Not really
supportive of bail or people getting out of jail or

(03:23):
concentration camps in general. Not a big fan of any
of that stuff. Yeah, so Himmler by this point is
he's in power. He's in actually helping to run most
of law enforcement. At this point, the SS has become

(03:44):
the premier organization for running concentration camps. So he's doing
about as well as he's going to ever be doing
at this stage in the story. And he's also the
highest ranking guy left other than maybe Rudolph Hess who's
into the weird magic shit related to this tortured version
of Nordic mythology that all of these different you know

(04:05):
lists and leebenfels these guys had crafted during his you know, adolescence.
So that means he becomes Himmler and his organization in
the SS become the go to clearinghouse for like mystics
who are interested in the stuff still and want to
build a place for themselves in themselves in the Third Reich.
And one of these weirdos who goes to Himmler because
he knows Himmler's the same kind of weirdo I am

(04:28):
is Carl Maria Willigut. Now Carl Maria. It was an
as Yeah, Carl Maria Willian. I mean he's an Austrian.
They throw Maria in wherever the fuck they can. Yeah,
I mean, no one loves the name Maria more than Austrians. Yeah,
maybe the Italians. That's what World War One was largely about,
Italy and Austria fighting over who gets to use Maria. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I was thinking about middle school and the amount of
girls whose middle name was Marie.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah. Yeah, there's an Austrian somewhere in the back of
that family line.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yea Austrian ancient Yeah all right, anyway.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
So, uh, he was an Austrian Willigut, and he'd been
He was an officer in the the Habsburg Imperial Military.
He's like a colonel, so he's fairly high ranking. But
he's also he's in like the pre war period. He's
like an occult scholar in the mold of Liston Leban Fells.
He's one of these nerds who cannot enjoy someone else's canon,

(05:24):
so he has to create his own. And this is
what's interesting. Liben Fells both create their own canon. Right,
List has his armin and warrior priests, and you know,
to an extent, Liban Fells is happy to just be like, oh, yeah,
that stuff's right, and I'm gonna yes and it and
just kind of add to it. But Willigut doesn't play
nice with others, so he rejects lists Armanin priest cult

(05:46):
and he creates his own ancient priest cult, the Irminen
totally different. Yeah, Yeah, it's like someone watching Star Wars
and being like, well, I'm going to create my own
totally original thing called Star war and it's it's it's
original and legally distinct. Yeah star Battles. Are you talking Walker? Yeah,

(06:12):
Dark Vader, Yes, it really is that lazy and fucking
will it Goots. Erminin are identical to the Armanin in
every meaningful way, except the armin And get their magic
powers from Wotan, but the Irminin get their magic powers
from the god Irman. Now Irman probably was not an

(06:32):
ancient Norse deity like he was probably never worshiped by
the the like Wotan. There was a point at which
people really worshiped Wotan, right, I mean some people still do,
but which it was like, yeah, yeah, yes, the Wotan clan.
There was a Woton clan, got it, Yes, there absolutely was.
And in his book on the Nazi o Cult, Billion
writes quote. Some scholars of ancient Germanic literature have suggested

(06:55):
that Irman may actually have been merely an avatar or
pseudonym for Wotan, as this named not come up in
German writing until relatively recent times. Nevertheless, Willigut continued to
believe in Irman's unique identity, as he believed the ancient
Irminists communicated with him. Their spirits told Willigut that the
German people had originated twenty three hundred centuries before, and
a time when giants, dwarfs, and mythical beasts moved about

(07:18):
beneath the skies, filled with three sons. The irmin went
on to whisper to Willigut, but the Irminist god was
named Christ and that the Christians had stolen the term
from them, and his felling is krist but right, yes again,
because all of these guys they're anti christian that like
we saw Himmler started moving against Christianity when the Catholic
Church was like, well, I guess if Jews convert, it's okay,

(07:40):
and Himmler's like, nah, not to me. I'm out home.
And all of these guys, listen, Liebenfels are part of this.
They're this kind of pagan revival. And Willigut is specifically
like no, no, no, the Jews stole Christ from the Irminists, right,
Like that's where that got the name came from. That's
where like they took it in order to cock are

(08:00):
Nordic faith and jewifi it. That's what Christianity is, right,
That's literally the way these guys are basically talking.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
They're like, oh yeah, gentrifiers, man, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Well, and specifically like Christianity and its focus on social
justice and like taking care of people, like you know,
the Catholic Church. No one's going to claim as a
perfect organization, but the Catholic Church legitimately believes it's bad
if poor brown people starve to death. They do believe that.
Now do they devote all of their resources to stopping starting. No,
of course not, but that is like, you know, there

(08:30):
are Catholic aid organizations that help non white people and
you don't have to be white to be a Catholic.
And that's really not cool to these guys. And so
they're like, well, obviously all of this tolerant stuff is
built in the Jews when they created this you know, Synist,
when they created this fake religion that they tricked the
West into being, that's what they you know, that was
part of why is they were trying to make us

(08:51):
more tolerant of degeneracy, you know, like that's the argu
that's the anti Christian argument from these guys. Essentially, right,
Christianity is way too tolerant. Wow, is a problem with Christianity?

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, tolerance It allows other people to be alive.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Right right, they don't. But the average Christian belief is
not murder everyone else, Yes, which is where we're going
to take it. And yeah, that does we talk a
lot about like why are the Nazis different than other
bad regimes that existed because they are, Like we talk
about the un it got up to a lot of
hideous stuff that has genocides and it's that it had

(09:24):
committed and was in the process of committing when the
Nazis started their rise to power. Right, yeah, fucking And
the same is true of the USSR. Right, the whole
adorme more horrible things done by the USSR. Both the
US and the USSR did nightmarish things and were also states.
Outside of that, and that they did other stuff. Their
product of the USSR was not just death and starvation.

(09:46):
They got the first man into orbit. They massively completely
like the dramatic change in the situation for like women's
rights from Zaris Russia to the USSR, and in terms
of like literacy massive and likewise, the United States sent
a bunch of food all over the world, was responsible
for rebuilding countries after World War Two, put men on
the moon. The only things, the only products of the

(10:08):
US and the ussry. They produced death, and they produced
other things. The only thing Nazism ever creates is death, right, Yes,
And the few scientific advancements that are that that come
from the Nazis come from the fact that they're trying
to kill people, right, and occasionally that lead like they
shouldn't make a rocket or something, right, Yeah, But the

(10:29):
Nazi state doesn't and never could have made anything but death,
and that is fundamentally different from these other states, even
from like fucking Maoist China. The only product of the
Chinese Communist Party is not just death, which does not
mean ignoring the bad things done by these states, by
the US or anyway. It just means that, like, well,
they did other things. The Nazis only killed thee Yeah. Yeah,

(10:53):
so we're talking about this guy Willigut and his Irminist
cult that totally isn't ripped off from the Arminance. Uh.
And Williget's particular special interest is in this very real
geographic site in Germany called the Irman Soul, which is
a natural rock formation in Germany that he and other
Volcoish neopagans believe was created by humans. Geologists say, no,

(11:14):
this is just sort of like a weird looking natural formation.
It's kind of like the Giants Causeway, where it's this
natural formation, but there are like myths about it being
something ancient people made, right, I mean, I think it's
giants in the case of the Giants Causeway literally, but
uh probably yeah, yeah, I mean, if I'm remembering right, Yeah,
there was like a Scottish giant, and he was fighting
with his Irish. Anyway, we need to get into the

(11:35):
lore too much because I don't remember it perfectly. But
this is another case like that, where there's this natural
thing and Willigut is a number among a number of
Volcish neopagans who are like this was the stone hinge
of our ancient ancestors. It was created to like harness
mystical power. Right, this is like a bunch of lay
lines converge here, right, Okay. And so after World War
One ended, and with it Willigut's military career, he gets

(11:57):
cashiered out. His empire goes away, and he gets he
doubles down on writing these books and tracts about the
Ice Kings, the irminent ice Kings, and he just kind
of loses his mind. Right, he convinces himself that these
ice Kings are his ancestors. He's like the descendant or
reincarnation of one of these great ice Kings. Now his

(12:18):
real life is falling apart as he's descending into fantasy.
His young son dies of an illness. Obviously, his empire
goes away, his career goes away, his family financial situation
changes dramatically, so he just completely gives up his connection
to reality in favor of this fantasy. And his wife

(12:38):
and family are not happy with this, right, especially because
as he gets more delusional, he grows more physically abusive. Right,
And so we'll have these days long psychotic fits where
he'll rant from talking about the days when he was
an ice king to just beating the shit out of
his wife. Right. Ok. And it's bad enough that she
in nineteen twenty seven, think of how hard this would

(12:59):
be to do. In nineteen twenty seven, his wife gets
him abducted off the street by the police at a
cafe in Salzburg, diagnosed his schizophrenic and locked in an asylum.
To be to have that done to you, as the man,
to have your wife be able to do that in
nineteen twenty yeah, you have to be exhibiting some pretty

(13:19):
out there behavior, right, You've got to be. Yeah, it is.
You know, it's easy for a parent to have a
kid locked up or something like that for bullshit reasons
to have. For a wife to have her husband locked
up not easy in nineteen twenty seven. Why, he was
out of fucking pocket. So he gets released after a
little while. But the only people willing to associate with him.

(13:40):
His family has fucking left. The only people willing to
talk to Willigant after he gets out of the mental
institution and take him seriously are these Nazis in Austria
and Germany. Because he's been publishing a newsletter for years
and it was super popular among members of the party
right because all of his like his Ice King bullshit.
They think it's cool. He's basically writing fantasy novels, you know. Yeah,

(14:02):
And so these guys convince him, per Yen's book quote,
that he had been locked up not because he was
an abusive husband, but because he was a martyr being
persecuted for his neopagan religious beliefs. As not because you
hit your wife. Yeah, because you know the truth about
the Ice Kings. That's why the state came after. Yes,
they just used it.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Just anything but holding a man accountable, just anything but that.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Anything but holding a man accountable. Just no. It's like
that really tells you again where the Nazis are socially
in this period is like this guy gets out of
a mental institution being like, Ah, the Ice Kings made
my wife leave me after I just hit her a
few times. They're like that's absolutely religious persecution, Willy. You know.
So he travels to Munich in nineteen thirty two, during

(14:46):
the same month Hitler takes power, and he is a
meeting with Heinra Kimmler. So one of the first meetings
Himmler has when the Nazis are in power is with
this mystic weirdo Willigut. Now, for hours, Willigut wove's stories
for Himler the ice Kings and how he discovered that
he was their descendant, right, that he had the blood
of the ice Kings in his veins, and Himler listens

(15:07):
with rapt attention. He falls in love with the idea
that his real ancestry might be something more exciting than
a line of peasants and merchants whod done okay for themselves?
Right yeah, Because obviously I'm the reichsphere of the SS.
I must have the blood of someone important in my veins.
No one without special blood could do anything cool. Right, Yeah,
He's got like Harry Potter syndrome. I must have real

(15:30):
My real parents or ancestors somewhere must have been important people,
you know. Yes, Heinrik Kimler is the Harry Potter of
the Third Reich. I think we can all agree on that. Yeah. Yeah,
So the next year he gets admitted. Willigut gets admitted
to the SS and they do it under a pseudonym
because again he's disgraced, and his pseudonym translates to thorn
Know's so somewhere again, which he is bought into this stuff.

(15:54):
You can't exaggerate or nose thor knows Heah, these guys,
there's such fucking dweeds Himler makes him head of the
Department of Ancient and Prehistory, which is you know itself
under a Walter Darr's Race and Settlement Office in the SS.
So he's he is. This is the guy. Actually, if

(16:15):
the people who were writing the Indiana Jones movies had
wanted to, you know, make things a little more historical versumilitude,
you'd have had this guy in the first movie in Raiders,
this would have been the guy like leading the expedition, right,
if you wanted to make it a little more accurate,
or at least he would have been involved. He would
have been like one of their experts quote unquote, Okay,

(16:36):
that's not a complaint. I'm just being like, if you
want a slightly more accurate version of Raiders. Imagine this
guy in a play. It belongs in a museum. Yeah,
and I will say, of all of the guys Himmler
makes generals in the SS, at least Willigott had been
a colonel in an actual military during a war. So
this isn't totally out of pocket for him to be
declared general. It's like, well, okay, you actually did most

(16:57):
of the background work at least, like you're crazy, but
you did do a lot of the work necessary.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
So hey, he starts leading, and say what you will
about the homie. I know he's got a few weird
things about him, but he was, he was.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
He did do the thing once, he did the thing once.
He's vaguely it's going to make more sense for him
than I mean, Himmler is going to have that kind
of like effectively be a general. And it's like, you
don't know shit, Heinrich, get out of here. You did
were not there, bro, you don't know how to start
a military unit, Like what are you talking about? Maya?

(17:34):
So in a year, Yeah, and he starts leading. His
main job. Williget's main job is he will take SS
delegations to sites of magical significance, like the so called
irmansoult try to inform them about their real history and
about the religion they should be adopting instead of Christianity.
There's a picture, soph he's going to put up for
those of you online that shows Willigut leading Heinrich Himmler

(17:55):
and a bunch of SS officers around this rock formation
in nineteen thirty five. And I think Willagutt is he's
the guy with the cane in the middle there, and
right next to him you can see Heinrich Kimler, the
chinless wonder himself. There is the chinless wonder.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Oh man, every once in a while, you hit, you
hit a home run. Every once in a while, b
the chinless one.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
I'm just saying, if you had to pick a Nazi
to box, he's the Nazi, yeah, because one good left
him into that glass and he is going down like
that man's jaw putting glasses is stronger than that man's jaw.
I love it. Meanwhile, Willa Gut, that guy looks like
he could probably like, look at that guy's jawline. I

(18:39):
mean he's not he's not a young whipper snapper anymore,
but he looks like he could take a hit. Yeah,
not for nothing, not for nothing. So this is I
mean again, And this kind of stuff is happening all
throughout the SS's early history, and it's part of Himmler
loves this stuff. So he loves going on these little
field trips, and he likes making other SS because in
his mind, they're all becoming awoken to the real truth

(19:02):
of Wotan and their ancient German ancestors and the magical
power in their veins. Now you can see the SS
has already made through this photo some more steps towards
becoming both the organization they'll be known as and towards
becoming a nightly order. They all have these big daggers
hanging off their belts, which had become part of the
official SS uniform in the last couple of years. These

(19:23):
have my honor as loyalty emblastened on the blade. Right,
that's like written on the blade of every SS knife,
this appellation that Hitler had had put on them, and
or this statement that Hitler had like this like motto
that he gave them. And yeah, they're all they're all
wearing all black. Now you know they've they've taken another

(19:45):
step up and started contracting, you know, with Hugo Boss
to make their uniforms. They're looking good, and they're looking
now like like Knights Templar, like modern Knights Templar, right,
And that's so much of it to Himmler is that
the look is right, and you have to give him
credit in terms of efficacy. That's why the big part
of why the SS becomes what it is. And we've

(20:06):
talked about this in other episodes and we've done We've
talked about SS guys like Iikman. The cool uniform is
part of the appeal because it says we're an elite organization.
If I just get in here, I'm part of the elite,
and I've never gotten to be that, and so I
will be loyal to an organization that makes that makes
everyone have to agree I matter, right, Yeah, that's what

(20:28):
the SS is is. It's if you're in the SS,
you can't be a failure, right, you can't be a
freak or a weirdo or just some like asshole who
can't keep his family together. You have to be a success.
You're part of the racial elite, you know. And if
the world hasn't recognized that yet, it's because the world
is bad and we need to change it via murdering people.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
We need to show them, We need to show them
the ice Kings and the giants and the and the
ancient made up legs.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
You just don't have the blood of the ice Kings
in your vein the ice Kings that you fucking plagiarized
off of another guy. Speaking of plagiarizing the ice Kings,
the sponsor of this podcast would never do that. They
legitimately are descended from the ancient ice Kings. But yeah, bro,
that has that's that's neither here nor there, dumb, and

(21:20):
we're back. So it's almost certainly through Willigate's influence that
Heinra Kimbler came to an important realization about himself. Not
only did he have royal blood, just like von Listen,
von Liebenfels and Willigoot and every German folklore weird we've discussed. Yeah,
I just don't know, well, who was in your kingdoms? Right?

Speaker 2 (21:42):
All of you were kings? Like was there any subjects?

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Nope, No, subjects don't get reincarnated, just the cool people,
Oh got it? So in Himmler's kind of come late
to this, right because he's he doesn't have that much
faith in himself. It's not until the s S is
top shit and nobody can question him directly anymore that
he starts feeling comfortable being like and he's talking with
Willigan and willigets like, yeah, you know, here's how I

(22:05):
found out that the blood of the ice Kings is
in my vein, and Heindrich is being like, well, actually,
I think maybe I've got some I've got the blood
of some some kings and stuff in my veins. Actually,
in fact, you know what, Like I was doing some
channeling and like I had a vision and and then
I'm actually the reincarnation of Heinrich, the first king of
the Germans. Like, oh, that's definitely actually who I was.

(22:27):
We're both named Heinrich for one thing, so like, I mean,
there's that, right, And oh.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Man, I'm just like I'm just I'm picturing you stuck
at like the company party over by, like next to
the bar by the like right, you know what I'm saying,
and this guy sound and you're just trying. I don't
want to piss him off, but please someone come rescue me,
Like we should have made a code. Someone come get me.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, And it's so funny, like because you've got this
this it's kind of like if you've ever been to
like a work party and suddenly you realize, like, oh
my god, my boss or this guy who's like above
me in the company hierarchy is really drunk and he's
saying some shit he shouldn't be saying, like, oh I
just learned that like our senior vice president thinks that

(23:16):
nine to eleven was an inside job. I'm not saying
that happened to me. I'm just saying it would be
like if that happened that they're hanging out like, oh shit,
I'm getting FaceTime with Heinrich Himler, Like this is gonna
be great for my career in the Wait, you're the
reincar What yeah that has king?

Speaker 2 (23:30):
You say that has happened to me? Well, just like, oh,
you're a dumbass, Like it is a weird fearing Yeah,
Like wait what yeah, okay, yeah totally so. Heinrich the
First was a real king. He was born in eight
seventy six a d. He had been crowned the first
King of the Germans around nine sixteen a d. And

(23:52):
then died in nine thirty six, which is not a
bad run for a dude in that period of time.
As far as I can tell, Himmler's main justification for
why he was the reincarnation of this guy was number one,
they're both named Heinrich, and number two, King Heinrich was
way more impressive than Heinrich. Himler right, so obviously that

(24:13):
guy must be me.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
I'm named after my grandpa. And we don't Again I
brought this up a little bit earlier, we don't actually
know when he starts believing he's Heinrich. The first there's
outside evidence, we get other people talking about this. I
think at thirty six for the first time. I suspect
not long after he and will get meet in like
thirty three is when he starts. I don't think it
takes long for that belief to get inculcated, but maybe

(24:37):
I think he's kind of It starts with just this
inner circle of the other occult weirdos at the SS,
and it's gradually that he's willing to tell more people
because you do get the sense we'll talk about this
more in later episodes, but that he is kind of
embarrassed about this a little bit sometimes, like he doesn't
want every he doesn't want to talk. He doesn't want
to sit down necessarily and explain to Hitler everything he
believes about this being reincarnated v. The SS is his

(25:00):
safe space. Nobody can question him there now. The primary
impact that accepting this about himself this belief has on
Himmler is that it gives him an excuse to go
absolutely hog wild with all the new money and power
that had started flowing towards the SS. In the early
years of the regime, he and Willigut went on regular
trips to significant magical sites around Germany, and during one
visit in late nineteen thirty three, Williget showed him Weblsburg

(25:24):
Castle we w Elsberg And this is okay, I think
the primary castle Wolfenstein is based on, right, Wursenstein is
obviously this one, it sounds most like. But Weblsburg is
the evil Nazi a cult castle, right dude.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
So Like, the more I'm thinking about this, like as
a parent and also as a teacher, and like a
former teacher and a rapper, like in hip hop with
your kids or with while watching other kids, it's almost
like you can see the may up story become.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
True to that to that kid, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Whether it's like my children, like I said, them playing
around and they're telling some sort of story. Like I'm
watching my daughter tell a story to her friends and
we're like that ain't happen, you.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Know, but like, but it's cute.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
And then six months later she's telling it to us
like you remember when, and we're like, baby, you made that.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Up, you know.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
But at this point the cement has settled. You see
it all the time with like gangster rappers were like,
you just start telling this story about yourself and you're like, sir,
you did this is not your life.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
No, you're you're simply like invented this. I've had I've
had this experience, like hanging out with friends who were
in the military and other buddies of theirs and hearing
different versions of the same story that you can't all
like someone has to have some details wrong, and they
were all there. And I think a lot of the

(26:59):
time it's the result. Some of it's just people make
mistakes or see something that they think they don't, but
some of it's you start telling yourself something in the
immediate wake of a traumatic event that's not quite the truth,
because it's easier to accept than the truth. Yeah, and
you tell it often enough that it becomes real, it
becomes load bearing to your psyche, right, yes, And you know,

(27:21):
Himmler at some point like this is that's certainly part
of this, right is like because he especially as the
war starts to go worse and worse, this like belief
that in this the mystical nature of things, that I
am the real that there's destiny, right, I am destined
for great things. So even though the situation seems bad,
now we're going to figure something out, right, Yeah, Now, yeah,

(27:41):
because I'm special, I'm the special boy of history. Special boy.
So they find this castle. Himmler falls in love with it. Now,
Webblesburg Castle had been created in the sixteen hundreds, and
it was like less of a real castle that like
nightly because you know, this is after kind of the
medieval period. It's more of like a rich guy house castle,
like a fortress castle, right, Yeah, But there had at

(28:04):
one point earlier in history there had been other castles there,
possibly a Castle of Heinrich. The first was kind of
in the same area. It was also close to where
some people thought the Battle of tudeberg Wald might have
been fought in nine eighty right, got battle between the Romans,
and so this is all pretty thin stuff. I don't
know that it's exactly where all that happened, but that
was that was enough for Himler was like, oh, like

(28:26):
the guy I'm reincarnated from his castle was here. This
is where we fought this great battle against the empire
of our day. And one you know, this is obviously
a site of magical importance. There's so many lay lines
crossing through, like this is a place of power. And
so he leases the castle from the local government for
one hundred years at the rate of one mark per year,

(28:47):
and this is going to become the SS's spiritual headquarters.
Now Webolsburg is in terrible shape. It's not liveable, but
Himmler ultimately spends more than eleven million marks in the
first year alone renovating it. And they put it but
they put in rooms, like Himmler has a room there.
All of the high ranking SS guys have their own suites,
and they put in like this is basically built as

(29:07):
like a like a gathering like almost a community center
for the SS. So you've got places you can hold conferences,
You've got like rooms where you can give speeches and
whatnot fellowship. Yeah, yes, exactly. You can have parties and
you can do the rituals there. Now, obviously he can't
spend the SS budget on this because this is an
extracurricular activity and he doesn't want to deal with like

(29:30):
the chance of getting in trouble, you know, with the
with the furor over this bryce spending state money. So
he creates a nonprofit called the Society for the Advancement
and Maintenance of German Artifacts. Now I have to go
back a little bit and say that Himmler has collected
a group of rich men around him who are willing
to fund projects like this. And this happens because after

(29:51):
the Nazi seizure of power, Hitler makes an industrialist named
Wilhelm Kepler his economic advisor. And Kepler is one of
these rich guys who was not super gung ho about
the Nazi Party necessarily, but with super gung ho about
their ability to defeat the Left and be really good
for rich guys like him. Right, Yeah, And Kepler this

(30:12):
position that Hitler gives him, it's kind of a sop
to the plutocratic class, but it doesn't give him direct power.
And Kepler he really cares about the economy, but not
much else. And he's one of these guys who you
have a lot of these guys around Trump now, who
are I don't really like necessarily all the economic stuff
you're trying to do. Can you just stick to fucking
up the people who want to tax me more and

(30:33):
not destroy the economy, because your ideas on that are bad, right, dude? Yeah? Right?
And so Kepler looks for ways to influence Nazi economic
policies subtly from within using money, Right, who do we
need to bribe to stop them from doing the crazy
shit that'll be bad for the economy or at least
bad for my part of the economy. In March of
nineteen thirty three, he convinces Himler to let him into

(30:55):
the SS, right, And I don't know if his actual
racial background was perfectly clean or if it's just you know,
enough money makes you arian, right, Yeah, yeah, But he
gets into the SS, and he gradually is able to
get a coterie of his fellow rich guy friends to
join the SS, and they form an official group within
the SS called the Friends of the Reich's Fewer right,

(31:16):
the Friends of Heinrich Keimler. Basically, now this is a
formal group. They have monthly meetings. Himmler oversees the meetings personally.
He picks who gets to be a member, and about
once a month they meet and sometimes he'll give a
lecture about how policing in Germany is changing. Sometimes he'll
give a lecture about the ancient Armen and warrior priests
and their runic alphabet. Right. Sometimes he'll talk about reincarnation,

(31:40):
you know, whatever kind of shit he's interested in that week.
Sometimes he'll talk about yeah, like breeding the Master race.
You know his podcast, it's his podcast that's just for
him and his three dozen richest friends.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Right, finally, if he finally landed it, we finally got there.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
He's these guys I don't think mostly believe this, and
I I don't think most of them care. They just
this is the FaceTime I got to put in with Himmler,
and he's someone who can make things happen for me.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
I mean, he's the boss. He owns the spot, so
like you kind of got to be there.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
He owns the spot. He's got influence, you know. And
so this group, by the late thirties is about three
dozen guys, the friends of Heinrich Kimler, and they represent
all the major moneyed interests in Germany, right, like every
big company in major banking cartel has a guy in there.
In nineteen thirty six, Himmler first asks the friends to

(32:31):
donate money to the SS for cultural and social purposes.
And they'll basically carve out their ara's equivalent of like, yeah,
like a five oh one c or whatever and or
I mean it's better to compare this to like a
super PACs right where they're creating packs and putting the
money in and then the SS can use that for
whatever thing they want, right, even though it's not technically

(32:53):
their money and it's not coming out of their budget, right,
because this is a donation. And this is how Himmler
pays to remodel Weblsburg Castle, and it's how most of
the SS shenanigans. They're sending expeditions all around the world.
In the late thirties, they sent an expedition to Tibet.
All this stuff is funded by the Friends of Heinrich Kimler. Okay,
because that was gonna be my next question.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Because the dollar the lease in it for a dollar
a year, I'm like, no, notes, bro, brilliant, Yeah, smart
good caah yeah, and then I was like, in the
eleven million is an investment, that makes sense. But I
was like, where you get that money from? But like
that was going to be my question.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Happened? How that happened? Right? Yeah? And that's that's this
is where the money comes from. Yeah. So Himler's got
no interest. This is like the charity they create is
like for the maintenance of German artifacts. Him he's not
interested in maintaining real artifacts. And in fact, he has
destroyed the historic value of the castle by now because
he has rebuilt the interior as a pagan temple to

(33:52):
the to Wotan, right, Like, you don't care about the history, bro,
Like you just know the because the history is an
invention of his.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah. I was like, yeah, first of all, you don't
believe history. You make up history.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Now, yea, you're making all of this up. So he
has the castle rebuilt into a pagan temple to the gods.
Von Listen, Liebenfels and Wheelagut had basically invented the core
of the property was a vast dining hall that would
act as an evil version of King Arthur's round table.
And I want to quote from Bill Yen's book. Each
of the chosen knights would have his own high back,

(34:25):
pig leather chair with his name engraved on a silver plate.
Here at this table, the SS officers would sit and
meditate in a trance like state. The overall theme of
the interior decorators naturally revolved around pagan symbolism, the swastika,
the SS lightning bolts, and the ruins of the Armanen futarch,
which is like the runic alphabet.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Right, Oh my god, this reminds me of like, Okay,
obviously I'm extremely married, so I'm out the game. But
like I do remember times where there was like if
you're single enough and someone is hot enough to where
you're willing to put up with their weird hippie dippy shit,
yo say where You're just like, I don't know, this

(35:04):
fool is super smoking hot, but whenever I go whenever
I go see them, I gotta like drink rose water
and charge my crystals with candles, you know what I'm saying, Like,
you're just like and so now so I'm thinking, like, yeah,
I really want to be in this I really want
to be in this club, but I gotta go pretend
to meditate with these like you just have to go.

(35:24):
But I'm like, I don't know, dude, this fools. They
pretty hot though, like I.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Got yeah, they're they're pretty They're pretty Yeah, you got
you gotta do something. They might want some of your
blood for a ritual. I don't know, but like I mean,
look at him. I'll look at him's pretty hot. And
I tell you what, I believe whatever. I believe whatever,
and I'll tell you what twenty again, I get a
lot of weird religious ship in my early twenties, a
lot of weird religions.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
I have gone to many hyposthetic dances.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Because yeah, some of the demon with you, yo, saying,
I don't know, man.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
She fine is hell, Like that's just what she into.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
I look, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, who's to say
what's true? Certainly not me. You will make so you
will justify a lot, right right, And yeah, that's what's
going on here. So Weblsburg is also it's the center
of the spiritual chunk of the SS and it's the
center of heindroch Himler's growing obsession with replacing Christianity, particularly

(36:18):
with replacing Catholicism with a faith friendlier to the third
Reich's ambitions within the SS, he began substituting Christmas with
a solstice yule Tide celebration. So again you're basically banned
from celebrating Christmas in the SS if you're doing it.
And now to do people still celebrate Christmas? Sure they're
not like recording everyone at all times, but you're not

(36:39):
supposed to. And for an example for an idea of
what people what was expected in the SS, I found
a translation of a nineteen thirty nine guide for people
in the SS titled The SS Family by General Fritz Weitzel.
In it, he describes the origins of the Yule Tide
as something separate from Christianity and explains that originally people

(37:00):
celebrated the Yule Tide because, like the whole death and
resurrection thing from Christianity, they stole it from this ancient
belief that like it was about the sun. Right, the
sun stops coming out as much during the shortest, coldest days,
and the Yule Tide is when that starts to switch
and the days start get longer again. The sun is coming.
In other words, that's the reincarnation right quote, the sun's

(37:22):
path got shorter and during Yule time, there would be
only a fuel out few hours of daylight, and then
it would sink into the cold North sea and was
gobbled up as if eaten by a monster. On midwinter day,
it was dead and lay in its grave. The question
whether the sun would stay buried was of equal importance
to the question whether mankind would live or die. On
midwinter day, the miracle happened. The sun rose from its
watery grave. It was born like a child, gathered strength,

(37:44):
and appeared in front of the celebrating and joyous folk,
who felt that life was given back to them. This
happened every year, and every year they celebrated this as
their most important festival, their sacred and holy night festival. Man,
And what's crazy is like.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
The the Christian would agree that, like, yeah, the Yule
tide is evil, like Santa Claus, it's Satan. It's not
supposed to be a part of Christmas. So you're right,
you gotta it's not Christian, dude, that's crazy that like that,
And then Day's fools would be like, yeah, you're right, Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
It's not not. And it just stolen from us.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
You stole it from us. You know, I'm saying what
a crazy weird like agreement. You're like, yeah, no, you're yeah, no,
totally one hundred percent. Yeah, yeah, I'll just be doing this.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
You know, there's some like real shit mixed up in there, Like,
for example, the timing of Christmas celebration is related to
the fact that there was a celebration called the Saturnalia
in Rome during a similar time, and like, well, if
you're trying to figure out when to hold this thing,
it's easier as you transition people from one religion to
the other to like have and this is just always

(38:48):
all throughout the world, cultures do shit around this time
of year.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
It's just like, yeah, there's just like just you know,
and if you and if you're the like the Empire,
you're just like, well, I don't care about none of
y'all's faith. Look, watch y'all all do it a convenient
Let's just do it all on Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
We're already doing something at this point of the year. Yeah,
fuck it, this is when you.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Go you do whatever, you will, you go, you do it.
We're just gonna do it on Tuesday. Y'all want to
day off work, Okay.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Let's do that, right, And so what they're what the
SS is trying to do is trying to be like, yeah,
first off, here's the real origins of like what Christianity, right,
it didn't start, Yeah, it really started as like this thing,
and this is the actual real origin of it. And
there's it's interesting this book there's no direct mention of
Christianity at all, which on its own, there's nothing like,

(39:36):
there's nothing wrong with the idea of like, here's what
we're doing and it's a different kind of celebration at
this time of the year. But the goal here for
the Nazis is to replace They're not trying to replace
Christianity because they have issues with the religion. They are
trying to make Nazism the new religion, and they are
trying to replace a belief in a God with a
belief in the perfectibility of German people through eugenics, the

(39:59):
Aryan race that we are trying to return by selective breeding,
trying to read the Nordic race back into Arians. That's God. See.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
See, that's the actual war on Christmas, you know what
I'm saying. So this you know, uh, at some point
we was probably gonna do a tap in about James
Dobson dying and who ruined many of Chris Christmas for.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Plenty of people.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
So you know what I'm saying, you got to focus
on the funeral with that dog. But like, it's just
so interesting to think that, like, you know, I know,
this ain't the point of what you're saying, but like
this belief that you locked into this existential war with
the culture that like that mot that James Dobson was
really big on, is like, well, there was a war,
my friend, but it's not the one that you locked into.

(40:45):
You know what I'm saying, you missing the point you
actually scored points on for these folks. You know, I'm like,
luckily for us in our house, like the benefit for
us not really falling for the James Dobson juju was
that he was freakishly races. So it became kind of
obvious that like, oh, oh, you're not talking to us, Okay.

(41:05):
So but anyway, it's the specificity of them being like
it's almost like like when the conspiracy theorists is sometimes right.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Oh yeah, CIA, Yeah, like the CIA put crack in
the inner cities. Okay, so the CIA, you know, has
a mind control laser dot man. But yeah, I feel
like it'd have been better at shit if they had
the mind control laser.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
And I'm like, no, no, really, there is someone trying
to replace your religion.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
It's just the Nazis, like, yeah, it's like whenever, yeah,
when people are like, yeah, there is a small group
of powerful, wealthy people who largely control politics. No no,
not not that, not that, not that group. They're actually
like a bunch of different religions. A lot of them
don't even believe in anything now, all sorts of races. Yeah, exactly.

(41:59):
So anyway, yeah, there's a there's no mention of Christianity
in this this booklet at all, but there there is.
You can see very clearly and almost stated directly that
their desire is to replace Christianity and the God of
the Christian faith with the Aryan race. The guy it
has detailed instructions for setting up instead of a Christmas tree,

(42:20):
an SS tree. And I know you're wondering what that
looks like, and the answer is it looks like shit.
Like basically, it's a circular wreath sideway hanging from a pole,
so it's not even like a tree. It looks like
it's not a tree. It looks like shit, it looks
like it's dying. It looks like Charlie Brown's whack ass
Christmas tree. Look at this fucking terrible Charlie Brown's looks better.

(42:44):
Charlie Brown was definitely better at Christmas than the SS.
Imagine waking up Christmas morning. You wake up Christmas morning
to see this, See this fucking disk as green disc
on a stick. The fuck is wrong with you?

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Mom?

Speaker 1 (42:55):
And dad looks like a paper towel. Yeah, you see
that shit in your fucking living room on Christmas Day?
And you know you're not getting an N sixty four, Right,
You're gonna still be playing Golden Eye at your friend's house.
I know you're getting socks, bro, you are getting You're
getting socks. You're simply getting socks. Yeah. So the book
notes that a good SS housewife is expected to bake

(43:16):
three different kinds of cakes for Yule Tide celebrations, and
Warren's quote a good SS housewife should pride herself on
keeping to the old recipes in shapes and rejecting all
cheap and American factory produced goods.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Oh lord, that big changes.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Now. I know what you're all asking at this point,
which is what was the SS explanation for Santa and
how did they replace him?

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Right?

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Is this a thing where they're like, the Santa is
obviously this decadent capitalist bullshit. No, no, no, the SS
embraces Santa. They just again say that the Jews, who
are secretly in charge of Christianity, stole Santa Claus from
the Nordic people.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Right.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Ah, here's another quote from that book. The old feast
of Wotan is on Yule sixteenth. In olden days, the
god of our ancestors drove through the air, visited his people,
was friendly to them, and left them little presents. He
wanted to announce the start of the winter solstice season
and the coming of the new year. The Christian Church
couldn't suppress these yearly visits of this white bearded, one

(44:16):
eyed leader of the good spirits, so they put one
of its assumed saints, Saint Nicholas, in his place. But
in many areas of Germany, the writer on a white
horse also known as Ruprect, the one shining with glory
Wotan or simply Father Yule Tide remained. S s family
should gather together and make make the visit of Father
Yule Tide a memorable event for their children. So na, na, No,

(44:37):
Wotan actually is the original Santa. God would just visit
his people and give them presents. And the Christians stole
that and replaced it with Saint Nicholas. But no, no,
it's it's Wotan and come and give your give your
kids candy, nuts and stuff.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Man.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
And then and then the Christians are like, no, no,
Santa evil too.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Santa's evil. That's I think the bapt I don't think
that's super male. I don't know enough about Lutheranism in
this period of time, but I don't think they're anti
Santa now.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Lutheranism, Yeah, no, they was with it because of the Saints.
But they was kind of like, yeah, Lutherans are like
basically just like Catholics without the pope.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Like at this point they weren't. They were really just trying.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
To reform the Catholics. They weren't trying to actually leave ye.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah. But anyway, and so yeah, this is Himmler. You know,
this is kind of the first direct reference to Christianity
that you find in this is like the Christian Church
stole Santa from the Wotatists. Oh man, that's funny. Now,
ss men who came from Christian backgrounds, which was basically
all of them, weren't required to renounce their faith, but
they were made to pledge allegiance to Hitler, and specifically

(45:43):
they had to pledge to put this allegiance to Hitler
above any allegiance they had to the Catholic Church or
any other church. So they do have to say I
am in this for Hitler before the Pope, right, they
have to if they're going if they are Catholic, they
have to promise that.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Right.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
So this is again, this is this is not just
a Nazi thing. As I try to emphasize, the German
authoritarians being uncomfortable with the Catholic Church goes back as
far as out of on Bismarck will Germany becomes a thing.
Bismarck's first real concern is but this Catholic Church is
a second center of power. Right, So what we see
with the Nazis in Himmler's war against Catholicism in particular

(46:22):
and Christianity in general is an extension of what authoritarian
Germans have been doing since the birth of Germany. And
that is important to note, right, this doesn't come out
of nowhere. And so even though the occult stuff and
the pagan stuff is weird and not popular with the
broader Nazi party, the fact that there are people high
up in the party who are worried and see Christianity

(46:44):
as a threat is not new and doesn't feel super
out of place, right. It feels consistent with, you know,
the way in which the powers in Germany have what
they've seen as threats since the era of Bismarck. Right
In his book on the Nazi ocult, Bill Ye describes
the act of joining the SS as quote an act
of religious conversion. And as I've said, Yin's book, while

(47:07):
it's useful and it has a lot of good details,
he has book blinders. This is the same problem the
guy who wrote Blitz has right, where there's a lot
of good stuff in there about Hitler's drug use and
about drug use in the Third Reich, but also the
fact that he has focused on that makes him center
drug use and its impact on the decision making of
people in the Reich more than I think most historians

(47:28):
believe is accurate, right, because this is the thing he's
obsessed with, and Yen centers the occult shit more than
is reasonable even within the SS, right, and this is
not an like everyone who joins the SS is not
converting their religion and they're not being made to. It
depends in part on who you are. If you're some
kid coming in from the middle class who's you know,

(47:50):
doesn't have much behind them, and who Himmler is like, Oh,
this guy got in trouble for this or for that,
so I can make him my own. Yeah, he's probably
going to really expect to see you buying into this stuff. Yeah,
if you're the rich and powerful industrialist who joined the
SS as a way to bribe Himmler, he doesn't. He's
not gonna like be a super big cop about whether
or not you're going to fucking church still or whether

(48:11):
or not you have an SS tree you're paying him, Right,
He's fine with it.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Right.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
But it wouldn't be wrong to say that Himmler envisioned
the SS as an organization that members joining considered an
act of religious conversion, that this was his goal for
the SS ultimately, he just at no point is it
really that right now? It is treated as a religion
by the actual text of SS publications, that nineteen thirty

(48:37):
nine SS Guide, that I've been quoting from describes the
Death's Head ring citation, which is, Himmler creates this award.
I think in thirty nine it becomes the highest award
in the SS. Only Himmler can give it out, Okay,
And the Death's head this is a symbol that goes
back in German military quite a while. There had been
these units, these elite mounted units that had worn the

(48:58):
death's head, right, and it's going to be He's going
there's going to be a branch of the SS, the Totenkough,
the Deathshead Division, which is the guys who run the
death camps, right. Those are the dudes when you see
not every SS guy had the Death's head, right, like
that was not everyone in the organization. Those are that's
a specific chunk of the organization. And there's a deathhead

(49:19):
ring that people. It's like the medal of honor within
the SS. Right. So Himmler, if Himmler really likes you,
or if you do something that is he is super into,
he thinks he's still adding to this right. And you
get this ring that's embedded with lists, armen and ruins,
which Himmler describes as holy symbols of our past. SS

(49:40):
General Whitzel notes the ring is a symbol of the
new SS religion. Upon the death of the wearer. The
ring is kept at Himmler's Webbelsburg Castle. And that was
as Sophie will show you the ring. The idea was,
this is what we're making, these into sacred relics. These
are like holy relics from our nightly Order, and everyone
who dies with one the ring comes back to the CA.

(50:00):
I think presumably maybe it'd get reissued, and so you
build like he was, he's thinking of in thousand year terms,
after centuries, these will be holy relics. We're like, oh,
I've got this ring, and I know everyone before me
you had it, right.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, so you'd like take it off the dude's finger
or like yeah they believe it floats back into.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
The Oh no they no, no, they take it like
they'll take it back to the castle. I'm like, look,
it's very possible. They're not quite that wu, They're not
quite like it's possible, bro. Yeah. Now. In nineteen thirty five,
the SS magazine Dash Schwartz Core or The Black Core
started publication. Circulation would eventually reach as many as seven

(50:39):
hundred and fifty thousand issues a week sold a thief.
That's made easier by the fact that buying it subscribing
as mandatory if you're in the SS, right, So yeah,
a little hard to say how many people are reading this,
but it's technically mandatory, so you have to think people
who are lower are keeping up with it, right, because
in part that's maybe how you get ahead, is saying

(51:00):
attention to what the boss is into. Figure out like, well,
how am I going to make myself noticed? Right? And
Himler used his in house magazine for political inns. There's
some practical point of this, right, He's got this SD,
this security agency, and sometimes they'll find dirt on another
German in power, another member of the party or a

(51:20):
member of the government or a local leader, and it
won't be enough to prosecute someone over. But if the
SD leaks that dirt, it could be published in the
Black Core, and then you can kind of like get
people forced out of their jobs or whatever, otherwise punish
people who are like slowing down the SS's work. So
that's the practical use that having this magazine does, right,

(51:41):
But the Black Core is also where Himmler would try
to push new occult practices and popularize them among the
SS rank and file. In the case of more substantial changes,
it's where he would first make his arguments for how
things ought to be, because like, this is a sympathetic
and a captive audience and there's no single religious and
moral issue that vexes Himmler more during this period the

(52:04):
late thirties than his own. What becomes a personal war
on marriage, like the Judeo Christian concept of marriage, he
takes on as an enemy. The first bow in this
war is launched. Oh yeah, yeah. He is very anti
marriage in its traditional sense, and he launches. He's not
anti marriage, but he's anti marriage as a Christian thing. Right,

(52:27):
are you just trying to de christianize everything?

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Okay, right, exactly following now, I'm following now, okay, word.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
So this starts in nineteen thirty one. He restricts SS
men from being married in Christian churches. Now Yen describes
this as an outright ban. I don't see a straight
up this is forbidden. But it's basically all of the
literature is like you are here is how a wedding
is done, and it doesn't involve the church and the SS.
After thirty one has to approve every new wedding. Right,

(52:55):
so if your wedding, if you're trying to get married
in a church, they're not going to say yes unless
I because I don't think this was a perfect one
hundred percent across the board thing. In part, guys who
have are of the nobility. Guys who are rich, you
have some options for getting around some of these rules, right.
But in terms of what the normal rank and file

(53:16):
are supposed to do. In that nineteen thirty nine hand book,
General Whitzel acknowledged that a lot of women were we're
having trouble with the idea of getting married without a church.
That like, at this point, they've been doing it for
eight years when he writes this guidebook in thirty nine,
But like he acknowledges, this has been a problem. Quote
even to this day, it seems impossible for many people
to imagine these celebrations without the church and its servants,

(53:37):
especially the women folk who were held captive by the
trappings of wedding veil and incense, organ music and dark churches,
and thought they could not do without such ritualsations. Yeah, Princess, yes, Wow.
The party and its organizations are trying to advocate the
thought of celebrating these festive occasions in accordance with our ideologies.

(53:58):
But it repeatedly was observed that the ceremonies of the
church were copied with officials doing the important actions, and
that the celebrations were used for propaganda purposes outside the family. Right,
So we noticed this when we first did this, everyone
was just copying what the churches did, but with ss guys,
and that's not right because that's still too close to
the like we're really trying to get away from the

(54:19):
idea of marriage. Yeah, guys too Christian. Yeah, so funny.
We'll get into what they do next and how they
de christianize marriage. But you know who else has declared
war on the concept of marriage? Oh man, every lass
one of them has, Yes, all of our sponsors, and
so Sophy's leading them in a crusade against the concept

(54:42):
of marriage. Low key barbaric. Yeah, and we're bad.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
I find such irony in the modern using so much
Christian iconography. Like all I could think about was like, oh,
so y'all ain't rid y'all.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
You didn't do to homework. Well, it's it's very American, like,
like you know, Nazism in the United States was always
going to be wrapped in a certain version of the faith.
But it's also, as you'll notice, not Christianity in the
traditional sense where there's articles about like a lot of
like in the South, you have like preachers who were

(55:30):
will be like reading literally Jesus' direct quotes, and people
were like, well, that's woke bullshit, right, Like that can't
be what he meant, right, Like yeah, currently, it's the
same way. Jesus was pretty clear about certain stuff like
rich people, right, the camel through the and then and
then there's this whole like no, no, no, the needle
was like a gate. The needle was like a gate,
and it was only being enough for like a guy

(55:50):
in a camel to get through. It was like it's
not hard to like like it wasn't saying you can't.
I can still go to heaven even though like I'm
I'm hoarding all of this money that people could really.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Been hoarding all these resources from everyone.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Yeah, got it, I still get to go to have it,
don't worry. Yeah. Yeah. People always do this with religion.
It doesn't matter what religion it is. It's just they
do it with politics to people just there's all. It's
always really attractive and very easy to just be like,
you know what, I already want these things, Like my
impulses and desires have guided me to wanting this. That's

(56:26):
probably what God or the universe wants, or that's probably
consistent with my politics. That's effectively religion to me. Right, Yeah,
you know this is what marks meant. This is et cetera.
People can justify whatever bullshit they want with whatever text
they want. Yeah, and do all the time.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Yeah. Yeah, that's that's Gym's right there. That's really what
we was witnessing.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, So one of the first changes Himmler
pushes through to change how marriage works is he introduces
something called a sip In book, Right, and so every
SS family has to have a sip in book, which
is like a path support for getting married, and it
lists your whole genealogy and your wife's genealogy. The idea
is your kids will and you'll keep a track of
this book listing your whole case like the history of

(57:11):
your of your your different families and your marriages, so
you can keep track of like, are we moving closer
to this idealized air to breeding idealized arians. Here, are
we improving the quality of our blood? Right?

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Yeah, no, none of that gene pool diversity we need
to keep.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
We need to keep all.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Yeah, of our anomalies and deficiencies in our genes, we
need to double exactly.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Yeah, got it now, And billy En notes, and I
think this is a good observation that the sip And
book is quote not unlike the sort of stud book
that owners keep for race horses. And I think this
probably is the direct inspiration because Himmler in his writings.
Hitler as well compare human breeding to livestock. We gave
some of those quotes in the first episodes him he
talks about like, yeah, you don't want like the oldest,

(57:58):
you want like you don't want an old basically right,
like they were already comparing stuff to livestock breeding to
the idea that they look at how people breed horses
and go, well, obviously the SS should work this way.
I think makes sense that the Sippin book is inspired
by stud books. I don't think that's much of a leap.
Yen goes on to note, quote, at one point, under

(58:19):
the Sipin Book rules, a non SS man who'd had
a Jewish ancestor. In seventeen eleven was forbidden to marry
the daughter of an SS officer. So that's how strict
this shit is. Wow. By nineteen thirty nine, the SS
was nearing a quarter of a million men, as well
as many thousands of women who weren't actual members, but
they're formally affiliated with the SSSSS wives. There's an organization

(58:40):
for SS wives. So you know, this is a size.
It's like again, it's becoming a state within a state. Now,
Himmler's anti Christian crusade had been effective within the SS,
but not on the scale that he'd hoped, because most
members of the SS throughout the period exists are still Christian. Right,
About fifty four percent of SS personnel attended Protestant churches

(59:02):
while enrolled in the SS, and another almost twenty four
percent we're Catholic. Only about twenty two percent at most
would have been full throated believers in the arminist Volcish
mystic stuff. And of that number, I mean, that's obviously
a lot higher than the background level. But also not
all of those non believers are full on into the weird,
which some of them are just like atheists, right, they

(59:23):
don't care, right, you know, maybe they care about the
race stuff, but they don't believe in Wotan. Right. So
you can see Himmler's had an impact, but he has not.
This is not a massive, wild difference from the general population, right,
And so he still has to be careful and intentional
when he wants to push a big change. And one

(59:43):
of the biggest changes he wants to push that he
just doesn't feel like even the SS is ready for
is getting everyone to accept that the racial elite need
to embrace polygamy. Right.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Here comes the Wotank clan boys answer in the thirty
six Chambers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Now, all right, so the Nazis had always been pro natalist, right,
And this is again this has come into vogue in
the US now that Elon's a big advocate of Pronahalism.
It's the idea that certain people need to have lots
of kids, right when we're trying out to be white supremacist.
Is just like, oh no, just smart people need to
have kids. Smart people like families with money who have

(01:00:23):
a lot of got rich in the tech industry, they
need to have a shitload of kids because obviously their
inherent characteristics got them rich in the fact that they
were lucky and were born rich or whatever. And so
this pro natalist policy, this has always been a thing
that the Nazis loved. Hitler is big into this aspect
of it increasing birth rates, and his regime immediately introduces

(01:00:45):
marriage loans and a bunch of financial incentives for pro creating,
and Nazi propaganda, including SS propaganda, publishes loving quotes from
SS wives about how like giving birth is my contribution
to the race war. It's how I fight. You know,
the the husband is responsible for the spiritual health of
the family, but I, you know, the woman like sets

(01:01:06):
the emotional mood or whatever in the family, and like
all this kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
The chief executive officer of the home wonder where we heard.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
That for, right, right, yeah, it's all yeah, that's always
always how these people think. Now, as the thirties come
to an end and Germany starts gearing up for war
with Poland and starts its war with Poland, right, there's
you know, we brush over the war in Poland, the
German the German and Soviet invasion as like, and they
just crushed in steamrolled Poland because they do go through

(01:01:37):
very quickly. There's never a real contest, but they suffer
significant casualties taking poland like, it's not an insignificant number
of guys who die, and a lot of SS guys
are dying. And Himmler starts to worry, did we get
something wrong? Because not all these young men had had
time to get married or get married and have kids
before they went and died at the front, which means

(01:01:59):
that like their potentially ending a blood this part of
this precious Nordic bloodline. Right, and even if they have
a kid, they're young because they're soldiers, so they probably
have had time to have more than one maybe two. Right,
that's not enough. We want bigger families than that. But women,
as part of one of the many flaws of their
you know of the way things work with women, they

(01:02:20):
can only have one kid at a time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Right, yeah, yeah they eggs has got an explorations Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Yeah, yeah, they can only have kids for so long
and only have one at a time. Really, if you're
thinking about this from the perspective of what matters is
the race, you know, the area and rate that our
God is this race that we are trying to bring
back through selective breeding and do existence and that's all
that matters. It's illogical and maybe even evil to have
young Nordic men be monogamous. Right, Maybe the only real

(01:02:52):
consistent ethical thing to do, if you believe this, is
have men having kids with a lot of women. Babe, babe.
It's for the culture. It's the culture. I'm doing it
for the culture. I don't want to do it, right, but.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Like, please invite your friend Sally over. I don't want
to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
I don't want to have six other wives that I
have a bunch of kids with. I don't want to
do it. I'm only doing it because it's necessary for
the race, right, all this race stuff, right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Yeah, and you can watch. You can watch, y'all can
even if y'all want to before.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Want to raise these kids, Yeah, I'm not going to
have time to raise these kids. I gotta go to war.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
You want me to go to war and die, or
I got to go.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Die in the East after having six kids with six
different women. Yeah exactly. Men used to go to war. Yeah. Yeah,
at least at least you're getting rid of them, right. Yeah.
So one of the people who was close to Himler
and would write about him after the war was his
missus Felix Kirsten, And there's a lot of claims Kirsten

(01:03:51):
makes about Himmler and about what he did during the war.
He writes a book about being Himler's messuse, and he
gives a lot of quote about things Himler is supposedly
said to him. Right now, Kirsten is not a good source,
because true, he gets initially credited, he gets like awards
for having saved the Dutch Jewish population from forced deportation,

(01:04:14):
because he basically claims, like, well, Himmler was like really
tired and sick during when that was happening, and I
was so influential to him that I was able to
like manipulate him into saving all these people, and like
he Kirsten made claims that he basically did that a lot,
that he saved a lot of people. And I don't
know that it's possible he did save some people. I'm

(01:04:35):
not enough of an expert on him to categorically bust
all of his myths, but this claim that he saved
the Dutch Jewish population is bullshit. He falsifies documents to
make this argument right, and it's the kind of thing
he's believed for a long time there's a lot of
people like that first biography of Himmler that I looked
into a bit takes what Kirsten says is gospel. Bill
Yen trusts Kirsten a lot more than he should. There's

(01:05:00):
a lot of issues with taking Kirsten too literally, right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Like, okay, so let's just say, okay, so he saved
the population, the Jewish population.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Of what now? Of like of the Dutch Jewish probable? Okay,
the Dutch, Okay, to what end? Well, because he was
really a good guy. He never bought into this Nazi stuff.
He was just trying. He was Himmler's messuse, but he
was always trying to, like, you know, save people, right
he I'm so by getting close to Himler, I'm able
to exercise influence to protect people. This is him largely

(01:05:30):
protecting himself after the war. I think he's lying about
a lot of this. It's not clear as he lying
about all of it. And that's part of the problem
is that he is Himmler's massuse. He spends a lot
of one on one time with him. Everything he says
that Himmler said to him isn't a lie. But because
we know he falsified documents, and it's also very hard
to trust him too much, right, Yeah, and he is

(01:05:51):
our first source on Himmler's growing distaste for marriage, which
Kirsten says. Kirsten claims that Hitler goes on a rant
about marriage to him and describes marriage as the Catholic
Church's satanic achievement, and he argues, quote with bigamy, each
wife would act as a stimulus to the others that
they both would try to be their husband's dream woman.
No more tidy hair, no more slavin. The mod which

(01:06:15):
will intensify these reflections will be the ideals of beauty
projected by art and the cinema. Yes, he mixed.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
He mixed polygamy with capitalism. He's like, listen, it's it's competition.
Competition gives us the best product.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Oh, yes, guy, and it'll makes it makes the women
work hard, it makes better.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Yeah, you know if you're competing, Hey, baby, you gotta perform.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Baby, you can't. You can't have no headache.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
You know what I'm saying, because Listen is wife Nomberfoe
ain't got no headache.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Yeah, No, this is awful. And again I don't trust
that as an exact Kirsten gives out a pulls out
a lot of long direct quotes from Himmler saying and
then he went on this rant he texted it. It's like,
I don't know, man, you're not taking notes when you're
massaging him. Now that said, based on other things Himmler
is doing this time, I don't doubt Kirsten that Himmler

(01:07:03):
went on rants about marriage to him. And I think
that broadly because these are points Himler will make in
other ways. So this is not an area in which
I totally doubt Kirsten. But you should not review that
as like a direct quote. And Kirsten is not an
unproblematic source. Anytime you read an article being like based
on what Himmler told his massage artist, take that with
a grain of salt until you can find outside verification,

(01:07:25):
because Kirsten is problematic, right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
But I'll tell you what though, if I'm the massage
artist as he's called now, uh yeah, I personally would
take the rants about marriage over some sort of woton
mythology that you posted to tell me about that you
that the that the ancest has just told you, Like yeah,

(01:07:47):
I was like, okay, Like will you will you shut
up about the ruins.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Yeah, so what, so what are your thoughts on marriage? Like,
just to get you to shut up about the rum, Yeah,
I just really need you to stop talking about these rooms.
Yes please? And yeah, so obviously September first, nineteen thirty
nine is the day that Germany invades Poland. Right if
you want, this episode will come out after the first

(01:08:14):
of September. Unfortunately, there's a great JG. Thurwell who performs
under the name Fetus. He's a musical artist fo e
f O E t us. It's the version of the
word feed us with an e in it. Great musician.
He does like the soundtrack to the TV show Venture
Brothers or did back in the day. He's got a
song called I'll Meet You in Poland Baby, that's about

(01:08:35):
the German Soviet invasion. That yeah, great song about the
invasion of Poland. If you're looking for a musical accompaniment
to this part of the episode. But September first, Germany
invades and if you remember, the direct justification for the
invasion is that Polish soldiers wind up fight. There's a gunfight,
you know, on the border that they blame on like,

(01:08:57):
oh look the Poles. Yeah, this is some of the
these dead guys were wearing Polish uniforms. Like, we've clearly
we've been attacked, and now this is an active defense,
and this is a false flag operation, and it's put
together by the SS like Himler's SS does the false flag,
that's the justification. That doesn't mean that Himmler's why they
go to war like Hitler had made the decision. This
was just kind of and it was lazy. This never

(01:09:18):
really no one believes this right. But within a few
weeks of the invasion, it becomes clear to Himmler casualties
are mounting, and so he doesn't quite He never quite
has the courage to go openly and be like, we
need to get rid of monogamy for our soldiers. This
is not the kind of thing that he's willing to

(01:09:39):
be as open about as it wants to be.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
He's growing, he's learning that you can't just say what's
on your mind, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
You gotta be And so here's how he does it.
This is his way of kind of threading that needle
and not being like and this is because I'm trying
to destroy the Christian idea of marriage and family. Instead,
he justifies it as an emergency order for like maintaining
like the health of the So he issues this SS
as an he issues in October twenty eight, nineteen thirty nine,
an SS decree for the entire SS and German police forces.

(01:10:08):
Quote beyond the limits of bourgeoisie laws and conventions, which
are perhaps necessary in other instant circumstances, it can be
a noble task for German women and girls of good
blood to become even outside marriage, not lightheartedly, but out
of a deep moral seriousness. Mothers of the children of
soldiers going to war, of whom fate alone knows whether
they will return or die for Germany. During the last War,

(01:10:30):
many a soldier decided from a sense of responsibility to
have no more children during the war so that his
wife would not be left in need and distress after
his death. Twoss men need not have these anxieties. They
are removed by the following regulation, right, And so that's
what he's number one trying to make the augure with that, Like, look,
German women, it's not shameful to have a kid out

(01:10:51):
of wedlock if it's with a soldier. So first off,
we need to change the way people are talking about,
you know, on these unwed mothers, right, yeah, four now
the right kind. Now, guys, for now, I'm just saying
four now, okay, four now, and four now, we're introducing
policies to ensure that, you know, we'll promise to take
care of you, you and your kids if you just

(01:11:12):
wind up shacking up with a soldier, because all that
matters is continuing the bloodline, right, And I can see.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
You just him just cloaking this in progressive talk to
be like, there shouldn't be a stigma around this.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Okay, yeah, there shouldn't be a stigma around this, because
it's good for the race. It's good for everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Listen, if you want it, like you don't have to
he's gonna die, like and your husband is right, like
he should not. You know, you shouldn't be burdened with this.
So yeah, just you know, it's fine, Like what, yeah,
what a cloak of progression you can put on this?

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Yeah, yes, that's exactly it. And like that, that's this
is the cloak Key picks. And it's not coincidental. He
writes this. This is like uh, October twenty eighth of
nineteen thirty nine, two years before publishing this. Heinrich Himmler
hires a twenty five year old secretary named HeiG would
pod us we go. Now, we don't know exactly when
they started stuppin, but by nineteen forty at the very latest,

(01:12:07):
they're bagging right. And I think they probably started their
physical relationship earlier than that, maybe not long after she
gets hired, but I don't know. I think my feelings
are shared somewhat by the authors of The Private Heinrich Himler,
which is that book based on all of his letters
he and Margus letters to each other. Yeah, that's partly

(01:12:28):
written by one of his I think it's his granddaughter, Katrina.
And in that book, the authors note that by nineteen
forty at the latest, Heinrich and Margo's marriage was no
longer working well in terms of like when Heinrich and
Hedwig got together. The book cites a letter Hedwig wrote
her sister at the end of forty one, in which

(01:12:48):
she claimed Christmas nineteen thirty eight, we had a frank
conversation during which we confess that we were hopelessly in love.
But they're trying to figure out is they were an
honorable way for us to get together, right, And you know,
divorce isn't honorable, right, So we can't do that publicly.
That's that's still not something even though in the SS

(01:13:08):
maybe that would be more acceptable, Like you don't have
to just be aware of them, right, how can we
possibly make this work? Now? This could mean that they
talk about being in love, but they still wait, you know,
two years to consummate things physically. I suspect that by
Christmas of thirty eight they're fucking and yeah, after that
they decide they're in love, and then they try to

(01:13:28):
figure out, how can we how can we find an
honorable way to be together?

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Yeah, let's reverse engineer the justification here. Yeah, totally. If
that's the case, then there's we can see maybe even
outside of his volcish mystic beliefs, maybe even race isn't
the primary reason Himler does this at all. Maybe that's
just a useful excuse because by late nineteen thirty nine,
he's either fucking or very much wants to be fucking
this girl, and this gives him an honorable way out.

(01:13:54):
Right now, I've changed the policy for everybody now having
mistresses is you're basically ordered as a man in the SS,
you're supposed to have mistresses, right because you're probably not
breeding enough otherwise. Right, It's for the culture. It's for
the culture.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
So he and Hedwig have a child together, and from
the end of the thirties on, Heinrich is primarily a
husband and father to his original family in name only.
Marga wrote in November of nineteen forty that since Heinrich
had moved her in the kids out of the farm
and to Berlin, which they do in the late thirties, quote,
I have been almost entirely alone. Right, He almost abandons them.

(01:14:31):
He's sending letters, he visits occasionally, but he is now
interested in Hedwig and the new family. He's starting with her, right,
younger model. Yeah. And obviously, as he's starting this affair,
as he starts pushing, as he's pushing increasingly his weird
religious beliefs through his personal magazine, the third Reich is
preparing for war, is starting war. They invade Poland, which

(01:14:54):
brings in the UK, and it brings in France, and
suddenly we're looking at a world war. Right, this is
a problem because like for one thing, Himler had considered
this to be this war is like the next generation, right, Yeah,
Like we're not gonna have to fight this war obviously
like that that can't be the case. So they're shocked,

(01:15:16):
and then they're shocked at how well it goes right that, like, oh,
we took Poland pretty easily. Yeah, and then like we
beat France way more easily than anyone had been like
the people had been on worried within the Nazi Party,
within the Wehrmacht. Can we act like is this just
another disaster? Yeah? And then it's kind of not right. Yeah.
So there's both this sense of like exuberant. Some people,

(01:15:37):
Heinrich is one of them, start to feel like we're
I'm fucking and vulnerable, right and nothing can stop us? Yeah. Yeah.
And one of the things that comes with that is
they starts as they're massively expanding. They're taken in all
of these Jews, and this has started before the war,
as they're annexing Czechoslovakia and Austria, right, and Himmler and

(01:15:58):
the s d under Hydrich had gotten the job of
deporting Jews from these annex territories. Right On November eighth,
nineteen thirty eight, just before Cristallknocht, Himler gave a speech
in which he acknowledged the Jews cannot remain in Germany.
It's only a matter of years. We shall increasingly drive
them out with unparalleled and ruthless brutality. So that is

(01:16:19):
it's a statement about what's going to happen. It's a
statement about what's already happening. But it's also not evidence
that at this point Himmler knows what the Holocaust is
going to be. He's talking about driving them out, not killing,
and that's what they're doing. They're basically, yeah, they're forcing
people to self deport in as much as possible, right Like,
that's what Eichmann is doing at this point. They're organizing deportations.

(01:16:44):
In his biography of Himler, Longrich notes Himler made no
reference to the actual situation, and the formulation that they
would drive the Jews out in course in the course
of years does not suggest that at that point it
was working on the assumption that there was about to
be a dramatic new development in the persecution of the Jews. Now,
in the early stages of World War Two, a couple
of important things happen. Number one is that they start

(01:17:04):
to gear up. After their success in France, they start
preparing for a war in the East, in which they
know they're going to be taking a lot more Jews,
and they're going to need new solutions for dealing with them,
a number far in excess of anything they had to
deal with before. So these conversations by forty one that
are going to culminate in forty two in the actual

(01:17:25):
plan for the Holocaust start happening. And another major thing
that happens in forty one, kind of right as the
war is kicking off, is that Rudolph Hess, Hitler's deputy
had been He's one of these guys who's deeply worried
about the war. Number One again, he'd hope that we
wouldn't be going to war against the whole world quite yet, right,
that we had more time. And yeah, also he's really

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he doesn't want Germany to be at war with Great Britain. Right,
he's kind of an Anglo file. He believes that the
two countries are natural allies, and he has he's made
connections within the British royal family. And so Hess, who
is the other bigger cult guy in the Nazi hierarchy,
decides I'm going to fly to Scotland on my own
in my private plane and negotiate peace alone, right, and

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he winds up parachuting out of a plane near Glasgow
and just getting arrested immediately immediately.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Yes, yeah, and this is this has an influence. This
is part of why Hitler cracks down within the rest
of the party on like the weird occult ship. This
is when he really sours on a lot of that
because Hess had been really into that stuff. And Hess
fucks up the absolute most he could have fucked up.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Right, this is this is my favorite little morsel of
the Nazi narrative, is has parachuting into Scotland and then
being like you, what the hell did were you?

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Waitn't you take this? We're not letting you talk to
him for a former gang at this point. Yeah, like
you absolutely talking about Yeah that is not go. I'll
work for us. Yeah, that's my favorite part. Yeah, it's
super funny. Yes, you know what else is funny? Prop

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How long this shit is? How long this shit is?
But it's over for today. Okay. Oh so we're not done. No,
we're not done. We're not done. I mean we'll see,
we'll see, I'll figure it out. I mean we could
be we could call the episodes here and be like
I've led you up to World War two. Right, the
SS is built, it's founded. You know, that may be

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the right thing to do, and we'll come back later
to talk about Himmler during World War two and the
SS during World War two. That's probably the right call.
We've got six episodes, right, yeah, okay, yeah, I think
that's probably what we'll do, and I'll get to the
rest of Himmler later. Yeah, that's cool man.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Yeah, we'll come back during Christmas still, we'll just ruin
your Christmas.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Yeah. Yeah, we'll give you more Himmler soon. But that's
all the Himmler you're getting for today. You know, he's
at his peace right, the war is starting. He's the
last crazy occult guy really left in the high ranks
of power. He's holding his blood rituals allegedly at Weblsburg Castle.
There's some crazy some people claim that they were like

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sacrificing babies. There's no evidence of that, but they were
definitely holding like candlelit rituals yea, and like they had
like yeah room where all of the dead of the
SS are inscribed in the shrine and yeat like they
are doing like ceremonies and spells and stuff. Yeah, yeah,
actual weird shit, like they're trying to do magic in
their magic castle. Yeah, spoiler, it does not win the

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war for them, but you know, maybe it'll work for you. Sorry,
wotang it didn't work. Yeah, it turns out Wotan was
not on their side. Yeah, wotan is something you can
fuck with. Mm hm Yeah a lot of times it
did successfully. Yeah, yes, so yeah, prop getting into plug yeah,
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Man, going back to the to the poetry record that
is out now. You know, if you're gonna do streaming,
I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
You do what you gotta do. It's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
I can't tell you to not go to the store,
but if you're gonna pick a streamer, I guess i'd
rather you pick Apple Music in relation to the other
you know, or just don't. Don't don't do the Spotify thing,
you know what I mean. I mean, if you want to,
I will take the money, but like yeah, as in money,
I mean the point two tenths of a cent.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
But I'll take it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
The point is just there's a new poetry album it's
called The Beautiful End Link that I'm super proud of
that we'll probably talk about a little bit on the
tap ends on the hood politics with PROP, which is
also going well, which we are just cooking with peanut
oil over there and having a good time as good
as time as we can.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Yes, awesome. Well everyone have a good time with PROP.
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have literally no one else backing them up, get out
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care of their pets, all the kind of shit that
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They are at five oh one C three. You can
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