Part Two: How Alex Jones Got Rich at the Low, Low Price of Other People's Lives

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M Hey everybody, I'm Robert Evans, and this is Behind
the Bastards, the show where we tell you everything you
don't know about the very worst people in all of history.
And this is part two of our epic three part
podcast on Alex Jones. He's an innovator, he's an inventor.

(00:21):
He's the Steve Jobs of selling supplements to crazy people
through the Internet. And today we're actually going to talk
about his business selling supplements to people through the Internet.
The working title of this episode is how Alex Jones
Got rich at the low low cost of People's lives.
My guests on part two are the same as my
guests on part one. Noelan Benjamin from Stuff They Don't

(00:43):
Want You to Know in Ridiculous History. Guys, great to
have you back. Thanks for having us back. Man, we're thrilled. Yeah,
I don't know. I'm a little downtrodden more than thrilled.
But let's just let's roll the dice, man, Let's see
where this goes. It's crazy train kind of but that's
what I'm really sort of like. It's like I would
like to be as rich as Alex Jones, but I
would never sacrifice my sanity for that, you know, just

(01:06):
it's just not worth it to me. It seems like
he has he has taken the wrong he tick, He
took the blue pill, and he has down the rabbit hole.
And the tale is still untold because I get the
feeling they're gonna be some twists and turns in this episode.
There will be, and there's gonna be a lot more
in the third episode. But for right now, let's talk
about two thousand seventeen. That's when Info Wars Life started

(01:26):
selling a new product, Caveman, which is a powdered bone
broth protein drink supplement. It was billed as I'll let
I'll let Alex Jones explain what it was billed as.
That is undoubted. With the jewel and the crown of
Inful Wars Life Products, Kaith, we lost our vitality because

(01:48):
we just ignored the ancient traditions. You use the meat
for sessenance, the fat for cooking, but you use the
bones for strength. We are now introducing cave Man by
inful Wars Live Talking Calm, the ultimate and true paleon
nutrition with bone broth to marrick roots, Chaga, mushroom and
seven total primal superfoods in a single great tasting formula.

(02:11):
The bone is so amazing, the outside structure chagas. It's evocative, right.
It also, isn't this the stuff that he seemed to
have a tough time drinking on his own show? He
shared dead They've pulled most of those videos, but he's
clearly barely able to get it past. Is going? But no?

(02:35):
I mean now, it seems like a really great product,
so great that scientists from the Center for Environmental Health
and independent watchdog group decided to try it out for themselves. Now,
one of the things that's neat about the Center for
Environmental Health is that Alex Jones and info Wars had
actually used them as a source on the dangers of
lead poisoning and several of their articles, So they're clearly
a group that Alex viewses legitimate and respects. That's why

(02:57):
it's so funny that they when they were viewed Caveman
and another product, mico z x, which is a blend
of potent herbs and enzymes meant to detoxify the body.
When they were viewed those they found quote people who
take the mic o z x product would ingest more
than six times the daily limit for lead under California law.
Now Caveman did better. It only included twice the recommended

(03:19):
daily limit of lead. But that's a lot of Is
this just a byproduct of the manufacturing facilities that he used,
Like why is there lead contamination in these products? Because
that's how Is it an active ingredient or is this
just like an accident? I have no idea. I have
a conspiracy theory to propose. So we know that we
know that exposure to lead impairs cognitive function. Is there

(03:42):
a method to the madness of including this in a
nutritional supplement? I mean maybe, because there's actually been a
study UM in South Africa studying people who are competitive
shooters versus people who are competitive archers, and they found
that competitive shooters had a much higher blood lead level
than competitive archers, even though you know the tips of

(04:03):
the arrows and bullets were both made of lead, so
that shouldn't be too much of an issue. Um. It
just appears that people who get exposed to lead more
in their youth are more aggressive and also more interested
in firearms. So maybe this was Alex just trying to
sell because he also sells gun parts are receivers and stuff.
So I don't know. Maybe this is we're onto something.
I think we're onto something, you guys, I love the

(04:25):
conspiracy that Alex Jones is giving people lead poisoning to
sell them gun parts. And the bakers show more believable. Hey,
and you can get the T shirt on t public
dot com. Alex Jones is giving his listeners lead poisoning
to sell gun parts. Those two shirts do have twice
the recommended daily limit of lead as well well, but

(04:45):
I pour all of that in there, and all of
our listeners know that they get a little extra lead
from my shirts. Um, so we don't know if any
long term health consequences will come as a result of
Alex Jones selling people poisoned bone broth. Any casualties from
that scheme will just be more bodies on the pile. Though.
Alex Jones has made himself a very wealthy man, but
he's done it by trading in the health of his

(05:06):
listeners and the health of the nation for sweet, sweet
fear dollars see the Info War Store. As I mentioned,
the first podcast, launched in two thousand six, at first
had just sold normal things for a conspiracy. Theorist to sell.
You could buy T shirts, bumper stickers. I'm sure everyone
listening to this saw some of Alex Jones's bumper stickers.
About nine eleven was an inside job back in the Yeah,

(05:26):
you've seen Info Wars stickers on everything. Uh. They would
sell his documentaries there and he had a handful of
goods aimed at helping people survive the perpetually coming apocalypse.
Between subscriptions, ads, DVD and T shirt sales, Info Wars
was making an estimated ten million per year in the
mid OTTs. Now that's gross, not net, So what Alex

(05:47):
would take home was much much less than that because
he had a big expensive I mean millions of dollars
to run a huge studio in the videos and stuff.
But that was the gross profit around ten million by
the mid odds two thousand eight nine. Was he still
a millionaire at the end of the day though, like
he may not have been at this point. Yeah, I
I don't know when he became a millionaire. He was
probably starting to because I'm sure he was getting a

(06:08):
decent cut of that. But also it's a very large studio,
you know, he must have had significant operating costs um
in two thousand and thirteen, Jones reworked and relaunched. The
store is info Wars Life, which is where he sold
that poison bone broth. He now sold over price nutrition
and health stuff, including Secret twelve, a twenty nine dollar
bottle of liquid B twelve infull War's Life bullet colloidal silver.

(06:30):
I think it's fun to call it a bullet because
you're supposed to put it up your butt um. And
he also sold fourteen dollar tubes of toothpaste. Are you
guys curious about what kind of toothpaste info war Cells.
I'm guessing it doesn't have fluoride in No, no fluoride.
You're you're really right about that. I happen to have
an ad for that toothpaste. It's camouflaged as a part
of his normal show. In this camouflaged ad, Alex receives

(06:52):
a call from a guy named Frank who tells Alex
that he's been braggy lately, who basically chastises Alex for bragging,
and Alex just immediately starts screaming at this fake caller
and says that he's the tip of the spear and
he needs his help, And then drums start playing and
Jones begins ranting about how he's up against the globalists alone.
He repeatedly says, I need your help, Frank. We're gonna
play the video now. Remember this is a toothpaste. Dad

(07:15):
the bills and grow in the face of this. I'm
not gonna just stop growth and let them start pushing
his backwards. You understand I need your help, Frank. I
need your help. Frank. Go to info store dot com
right now and help fund then for do you understand
I need your help, Frank repressed needs your help, Frank
support good oral help with our one of a kind

(07:37):
super blue floral. Fuck. So, this is what they call
in the biz native advertising, by the way, and it's
like he's natively advertising his own ship on his own show.
It's like this is genius. Man. If it wasn't so sleazy,
I would give this guy a pat on the back. God,
it's all in house. And plus you can see the ingredients,

(08:00):
you know, if anyone hasn't gotten a chance to watch
this ad non fluoride toothpaste with iodine, nano silver plus
and peppermint tree oil recommended by Alex Jones, and they
put they basically put his name in the place where
you would see recommended by nine out of tend dentists. Well,
who would you trust, Alex a dentist or Alex Jones,

(08:22):
who is the son of a dentist. Lest we forget
exactly Alex Jones, his father was a day He's got
the bona fides there. So so that ad should give
you an idea of the intellectual tenor of an average
inful Wars ad, according to a BuzzFeed interview with a
former employee, quote, he can sell five hundred supplements in
an hour. It's like QBC for conspiracy. Now, some journalists

(08:43):
suspect that the vast majority, if not all, of Info
War's profits now come from these supplements. So from most
radio hosts like a Galic rush Limbaugh, the big money
is in syndication. If you're doing a syndicated radio show,
the syndicate charges stations to run your show, and then
they give you a big chunk of that money. But
infull Wars a send cated by Genesis Communications Network, a
right wing radio network that operates on a barter model,

(09:05):
so they give their content to radio stations for free.
So Alex Jones doesn't get any money from his show
being sold to a radio station, but Genesis gets to
actually put in the ad. So instead of the radio
station picking what ads runs steering their shows, Genesis gives
them the show for free, but picks the ads that
go on it. Now, gc N doesn't share their ad
revenue with Alex Jones. Instead, Alex splits the ad time

(09:28):
on his show with Genesis. New York Magazine investigated this,
and I'm going to quote from their report on the matter.
If you call Alex Jones ad sales team, the employee
told me he'll probably retire before you hear back from them.
When I asked him why, he explained that Jones uses
his three minutes per hour to sell his own dietary supplements,
and Jones can choose to tout his own products beyond
that as well during the rest of his show. So,

(09:51):
in other words, quote, he doesn't get any syndication fees
from g c N, he doesn't get a cut of
the advertising that gc N sells, and he doesn't sell
his three minutes per hour of national advertising time. The
radio show makes no direct money for Alex Jones. It's
all about selling his dietary supplements. So yeah, he figured
out a new tactic that I think he was probably
pretty much the first person to use where he completely

(10:14):
is showed outside advertising and really almost any outside money
for his show and supports it entirely by selling people lead,
dainted bone, broth and other such wonders. It's infomercial wars. Yes,
I've never really thought about this aspect of it before,
but I was joking earlier about the stupid industry buzz
term native advertising, and that's sort of when you like

(10:36):
disguise the ad as part of the content, and he's
totally doing that, like with this toothpaste Dad, where it's like,
this is a legitimate caller who has a concern about
his oral health, and then all of a sudden, it's
like graphics going across the screen. It's like, good lord,
it's so egregious. It's it's amazing it is. And if
if I can get a little bit into the inside
baseball a little bit like That's part of why podcasting

(10:57):
is a lucrative things, because when you have someone in
your ear, when you listen to them for hours and
hours and hours a week, there's a level of trust
that you developed for that person that you don't get
through a lot of other mediums, and so if a
person says, hey, I use this thing and I enjoy
it and it it's beneficial to me, you're more likely
to trust that person than like just some random at

(11:17):
on TV. Everyone started to figure that out now and
it's part of why this form of media has taken
off so much in the last few years. Alex Jones
locked this ship down in two thousand thirteen, which is again,
he's a he's a pioneer, you know. Yeah, it fascinating.
Of course, while there's a good way, in an evil
way to do it. The good way is to not

(11:38):
sell people lead uh yeah, the days, beds, bed installed,
the days. But this is this is all powered by alarmism. Though,
if there was a comedy podcast where somebody had a
running inside joke about you know, some kind of orange
juice that they like, or Dorito's or it's back where

(12:02):
Dorito's the snack that fights back, yes, how could we forget?
But this seems different because it's praying on these very powerful, scary,
primal emotions and reactions. Yeah, exactly. He's not saying, hey,
I use this bed at home by this bed, or
hey like I like this type of jewe drink this juice.
He's saying, the globalists are trying to rob your body

(12:22):
of iodine. Take these iodine pills. Like there's a difference.
One of them is fine and the other is kind
of unspeakably evil. But let's move on a little bit. Well,
I mean, we're gonna keep talking about this, but yeah,
in Alex Jones's eyes, there is no inappropriate time to
start shilling for supplements. Another former employee recalled quote, when
the Fukushima nuclear disaster happened, Alex bought tons and tons

(12:45):
of potassium iodide, and oh my god, did we sell that.
Another good example of Alex, you know, taking advantage of
his fans is this ad for DNA shield. Like many
of its his ads, it starts as a news story,
something about how our hormones are under attack by pollution
and GMOs or whatever. He mentions that quote, the elite
are already taking expensive, fancy rich persons supplements to deal

(13:07):
with the poisoning of the globalists. He claims to have
copied their recipe secretly and made it much more affordable,
so the common man can defend himself from the globalists.
So let's play the rest of this ad for DNA
shield sure, so expensive, it's hard for the general public
to get him that are growing the telomeres in the
DNA that are spurring mitochondrial growth and keeping cells alive

(13:29):
that are causing nerve regeneration. This is stuff you're allowed
to say because it's patented and been certified, because it's
now supplements going into the whole neutraceutical realm. And this
will not be an infomercial for the next hour except
for about five minutes of it. But I am here
today to announce d NA Force ladies and gentlemen. Sorry,

(13:50):
DNA Force. Yeah boy, he's a special guy now. Jones
claims these miraculous pills were developed in part by his dad,
who he says, was quote involved in f d A
approved neutraceuticals. So it's not FDA approved, but his dad
was involved in other things that were FDA approved. Is

(14:10):
nutraceutical even a real word that seems made up? Yeah,
it's a it's like a sci fi show science jargon,
you know. Yeah, it's like a weird portmanteau of like
nutrition and pharmaceutical, I guess, but it's it's exactly yeah,
because he wants to make it seem like he's giving
people real serious medical things for serious medical issues, and

(14:34):
so we can't just say these are nutrition supplements, their neutraceuticals,
which is also a term that the FDA doesn't watch it. Also,
I'm sure that helps too. So he insists that DNA
force right. I think I wrote shield in the script,
but their shields and forces his nonsense. DNA pills, he claims,
are better and less expensive than the six dollar pills
the elites use. I'm gonna play another clips because ladies

(14:57):
and gentlemen one in great, that's in. This cost twelve
thousand dollars a kilo. Twelve thousand dollars a kilo. The
next ingredient cost seven thousand dollars a kilo, the next
less expensive five thousand dollars a kilo. Another one three thousand,
four hundred dollars a kilo. We bought it directly from

(15:17):
the certified, patented, uh f D A approved whole nine
yards laboratories that make it. We had it scientifically mixed
at doctor Groups factory facility, the highest standards to bring
info wars Life dot Com d n A fource anyway.

(15:39):
It costs a hundred and thirty four dollars and cents
a bottle. But Robert, that's an amazing deal though, did
you hear that one ingredient that was also it's it's
more scientific because he's using the metric system. You know,
that's like real science there. And also you'll note that
he says the facility we're he bought the ingredients as

(16:01):
f d A approved again and run by a guy
named Dr griff. I hear that, correct. Dr griff is
a different So he gets the ingredients from an FDA
approved facility and then they go to Dr Griff's facility.
I don't think the f d A has approved Dr Griff.

(16:22):
He does have Dr griff on as a guest in
another ad that I found for this uh In Dr
Griffin theorizes that pells like these might help people live
to be a hundred and twenty years old. So that's cool,
cool for just a d Yeah, it's remarkable. So whenever
Alex doesn't add for these, he's emphatic about the incredible
quality of his products and the purity of their ingredients.

(16:45):
He seems to prefer using himself as an example in
his ads whenever possible. Oftentimes this means taking his shirt
off as it will in this video that we're about
to see or you know, listen to. I haven't talked
to anybody that hasn't worked for spectacular. Look, we want
to sell you good stuff that works to heat buy
it anyways. But the point is this is stuff that

(17:05):
counters the globalist and funds the info war. That's why
I'm so excited about it. I want to thank you
for continuing to support the infull War. Alex Jone signing
off for infull wars Live dot com. If you're watching
this transmission, you know, damn well, you're the resistance of all.
That sounds like a man wearing no shirt. Second of all,
I love that he refers to it as a transmission,

(17:26):
that is all, And I love how he brings you
into it. If you're listening to this, you're damn well
part of the resistance. You know, damn will, You're part
of the resistance. He is the reddest man. I saw
him in person once um at the Republican National Convention.
He gave a speech outside of it, and I thought, then,
I've never seen a man whose skin gets so red

(17:47):
when he yells. Well that was in Waking life too,
because in his animated, you know, Avatar, and that is
like bright red. I'm getting redder and redder and redder.
It's obviously, like, you know, part of his cartoonish character.
It is remarkable how read he can get without his
heart exploding yet. I mean, he's only forty four and
he looks like sixty, Like he's only forty four years old. Yeah,

(18:09):
he's like forty three or something in that video um
that we just listened to. Yeah, he looks like you
wouldn't guess Danny DeVito was more than about a decade
older than him just looking at the two of them.
But Danny's got like thirty some years on him. He's
he's It's remarkable. So Buzzfeeds, Charlie Warzele actually bought some Anthroplex,
which is the product that shirtless Alex Jones was advertising there.

(18:31):
He sent it over to a testing lab to haven't
analyzed now. Anthroplex, which costs nearly thirty dollars a bottle,
is boasted, is basically a zinc supplement. That's what he's
claiming is that the globalist are robbing your body of zinc,
and Anthroplex will give you enough zinc to be as
buff as shirtless Alec Jones. So Charlie Warzell sent this
Anthroplex off to be checked out by a lab, and
the lab report that came back said, quote, if you're

(18:54):
extremely zinc deficient, the value is not going to be
significantly helpful. It calls anthro plex quote a waste of
money and points out you could actually get another zinc
or rotate supplement for around five dollars with an impactful
serving size. So his zinc supplement that's thirty dollars a
bottle contains almost no zinc. Well, well, in his defense, uh,

(19:15):
they said that. All they said was it's not going
to be significantly helpful. Yeah you know. Yeah, it's six
times as expensive as a normal zinc supplement and has
less zinc at it. Classy Alex. So not only does
Alex Jones sell bad, sometimes toxic supplements to the gullible,
he's also pretty abusive to the company's he partners with,

(19:35):
basically finding businesses that are in trouble and strong arming
them into giving him deals in exchange for the Info
Wars endorsement. Quote a former employee, I've seen him undercut
a company that sells survival straws for twenty five dollars,
forced them down to ten dollars, and then sell them
at fifty dollars. So that's fun. Um, just to give
you a little bit of an idea of the way
Alex Jones does business. Um, if you want to know

(19:57):
how we do business, it's time for some ads. So
here's me selling you things that aren't filled with lead
and that I will guarantee you have as much zinc
as we claim that they have. And we're back. We're
talking about Alex Jones and how he made his millions.

(20:19):
We just got done talking about at least one of
his shirtless ads. Now. Info Wars, in addition to selling supplements,
also holds regular money bomb telethons, and that's what they
call them as money bombs. These are super long fundraisers,
sometimes over twenty seven hours in length, that are there
to raise funds for an already for profit company. These
often raised reportedly one thousand dollars in just a single day.

(20:42):
In an interview with BuzzFeed, one former employee reported feeling
quote sick to my stomach when a donor charged their
donation to a credit card and then explained that this
was because their house had been foreclosed. I'm convinced after
working there that fear sells as well as sex. Judging
by his profits, maybe it sells even better. So I
bet your one or what a money bomb looks like?
So I'm gonna play an exerpt from one of his

(21:03):
money bombs from I think, is it like a Google bomb? No,
it's it's sleazier than that. Five Stars Soap dot Com
Take charge of your health now by calling eight hundred
three four zero seven zero nine one, or see Calvin
on the web at five Stars Soap dot Com. Alex

(21:26):
Jones here with vital information concerning our nation's fragile food supply. Folks,
there are some truly dangerous trends forming, and I think
it's important for my listeners to do three things right away.
Number one, study the past. History really does repeat itself.
Number two, learn to spot the dangerous food shortage trends.

(21:46):
Number three, take decisive action. A perfect storm is brewing
or a global food crisis. That's why I'm telling everyone
to read the new book Rising prices, empty shelves, warning
signs that trigger the deadliest famines in history. Don't get
caught unprepared when the crisis hits this book is only

(22:06):
available at rising prices empty shelves dot Com. Yeah, isn't
that this is a slick way to sell a book? Yeah,
and he's doing a great movie voice. I thought he's
got to be like in a world where you have
to buy this book in order to know when you
need to buy food that you can also buy from

(22:28):
us because we sell survival food. Yeah, Alex Jones. So
if you're a regular listener and viewer in for Wars,
I'm gonna guess you either think Alec Jones is hilarious,
which is probably or you really really trust him, which
is probably another. I think one of his strengths is
that he was probably one of the first people to
realize that it was possible to sell people a lot

(22:49):
of things if you develop that kind of trust and
rapport with your audience, and he's he's been very good
at that. At least one former senior Info Wars employee
has stated that Alex based his empire off of televangel networks.
He admired quote their knack of using trust and faith
to market things. Shilling supplements has been outrageously profitable for Alex.
In two thousand twelve and two thousand thirteen. Prior to

(23:11):
launching the info Wars life line of products, info Wars
made about five million dollars a year gross uh In
two thousand fourteen, the company made more than twenty million
dollars in gross revenue. Alex Jones went from being moderately
well off to well. I'm going to quote from a
New York Times article about his divorce, Mr Jones bought
four Rolex watches in one day in two thousand fourteen

(23:31):
and spent forty thousand dollars in a saltwater aquarium. The
couple's assets at the time included a seventy thousand dollar
Grand piano, fifty thousand dollars in firearms, and seven hundred
and fifty two thousand and gold, silver, and precious metals
in the safe deposit box. So by two thousand and fourteen,
Alex Jones is definitely a rich man. And I can't
think of anyone I less want to have fifty thousand

(23:52):
dollars in firearms and Alex Jones. That is a concerning thing.
So yeah. That New York Times article also notes that quote.
Most of his revenue that year came from the sale
of products like supplements such as super Male Vitality, which
purports to boost testosterone or brainforce plus. And in case
you're curious, Jones claimed that his three seventeen thousand dollar

(24:15):
shopping spree was a post divorce necessity. It's a free
country and I had to restart my life, which is fair.
It is indeed a free country. No law forbids Alex
Jones from getting rich selling crap to whoever. Only here's
the thing. The entire info Wars business model relies on fear,
convincing people that an X file scale conspiracy is perpetually
moments away from tearing them away from everything and everyone

(24:36):
they love. Fear of radiation or terrorists or globalist poison
campaigns is what sells the radiation shields, supplements, body armor,
and water filtration systems that Alex Jones hills. And speaking
of water filtration systems, you guys want to check out
an info Wars life add for that, Yes, so very much.
Their filters are impregnated with chilvern, a natural animal. On

(25:00):
top of that, they're bigger, so they filter faster. You
don't have to prime these the first time you use them.
It's amazing. Go to info wars dot com. And click
on the shopping cart link to see the entire family
of these babies. Now the floor ie, thead our water
is so timy that most filters can't cut it out,
but Propure has their system that will again reduce it

(25:25):
to non detectible levels almost get so. Again, the thing
that is important there is that he's he's not just
selling a water filter. He's seeing people are being poisoned.
Like he's saying you are being poisoned. They're sneaking fluoride
into your water to poison you, and this filter will
remove it and other things will not. No, they're not.
They're not sneaking it. Though. It's like a thing that

(25:45):
municipalities do. They put flight in the water. It's a
it's a known thing. Yeah, yeah, it's a known thing.
But he's telling people that this is part of a
conspiracy to damage you. The globalist You're trying to hurt
you with poison in your water, and only this filter
will help. But when you literally tell people that they're
being poisoned by a group and then name specific people

(26:06):
like Barack Obama or Democratic lawmakers as members of that group,
it's possible that you might just sort of inspire a
couple of shooting spreeze, which is what we're going to
get into next. I mean I think that's like episode
three material, right when like the whole idea of like,
how finally now everyone knows that this is hate speech.
Oh no, it starts to weigh earlier than episode I

(26:27):
just want to say before we go on this video
clip with the with the water filters is uh, he's
like an evil Billy Mays. Evil Billy Mays is a
good way to look at it. And these things are
very menacing looking. They're very very large and very shiny
and metallic, and they look like something that would be
in like a meth lab or something. It's very strange. Yeah,

(26:48):
I think that probably plays to like the people who
are gonna want to buy this want everything to look cool, right,
Like That's why he doesn't say these are just zinc supplements.
It's survival shield and these would go really well in
my you know, bomb shelter. It'll look cool next to
your wall of guns, like you know, and it will
look cool next to your wall of guns. Um so.
At four twelve am on January eight, two eleven, Jared

(27:11):
Lee Launer made an incoherent MySpace post that referenced the
nation's quote five percent literacy rate and the quote longest
war in United States history. He was not talking about Afghanistan.
He was talking about the info war. Attached to this
post was a picture of a handgun on top of
an American history book. Roughly three hours later, he traveled
to a Walmart and purchased ammunition. Then he took a

(27:32):
taxi to a safe way at cassas Adoba's, Arizona, where
Representative Gabrielle Gifford's was holding a meeting with her constituents.
A little after ten am, Louner opened fire on Gifford's,
grievously wounding her, killing six people and wounding thirteen. Unlike
most mass shooters, Launer was stopped before he could kill
himself and was arrested on the scene. Now, a number

(27:52):
of things were very wrong with Jared Lawner uh. Some
of his friends have stated that he hated Gifford's in
part because he hated the idea of women holding positions
of power. He also hated George W. Bush, probably because
he believed nine eleven was an inside job, and he
believed that, among many other things. Because Jared Lowner was
a gigantic fan of Alex Jones. In the immediate aftermath

(28:12):
of the shooting, investigations in the Lowner's life revealed that
he was a huge fan of the Jones produced film
Loose Change. This led to a storm of condemnation of
Alex Jones and info Wars. The writer of that Rolling
Stone article I keep quoting interviewed Jones five days after
this shooting. Jones compared the condemnation of him in his
you know, infull Wars to McCarthy ism, which, oddly enough,
he's also said was a good thing at other times,

(28:35):
so he's not a consistent guy. Um. But Jones accepted
no responsibility for inciting Lowner quote. During these societal upheavals,
it's messy. A lot of bad things happen, and yeah,
you're gonna have paranoid schizophrenics that gets set off by
the crazy things corporations and governments are doing and by
those who are exposing it to them. But we can't
allow ourselves to become paralyzed. If it's schizophrenic takes three

(28:56):
hits of acid in the forest and sees demons in
the trees and snaps, do you cut on the trees,
which you don't. But I would argue that if you
find someone who's only sells acid to schizophrenics, you probably
stop that guy. So at that point, Alex Jones wasn't
even willing to accept that the shooting was entirely legitimate. Quote.
The whole thing stinks to high heaven. This kid lowner

(29:16):
disappeared for days at a time before the shooting. My
gut tells me this was a staged mind control operation.
The government employees geometric psychological warfare experts that know exactly
how to indirectly manipulate unstable people through the media. They
implanted the idea in his head by repeatedly asking is
Gifford's in danger? So every account I found makes it
clear that Alex Jones was not Louner's only rode into

(29:38):
the world of insane anti government conspiracy theories. Jared had
a voracious appetite for that stuff. Alex Jones and info wars,
though we're clearly part of his intellectual development. I'm gonna
leave it up to you guys and to the listener
to decide how much blame, if any, you think Mr
Jones deserves. So right now, I don't know how you
guys are feeling in terms of is he at all
responsible for this? Is his rhetoric responsible for this? Yes, yes,

(30:01):
it is. I think to a degree that's it's inarguable
that there's not some responsibility. It's not as if he's
only saying vague things, and many times, in many situations,
there are specific what we would call calls to action,
you know what I mean, and targets sign these specific

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people and playing on this this primal vim or us mentality,
it makes people feel as if the only choice they
might have, especially if they're already unstable, is to take
some sort of violent action. So he is, he's not
going out and shooting people himself, but people are being

(30:42):
shot to some degree because of his actions. It's like
dog whissel racism or something, but like literally kind of
implanting subliminal messages in the minds of unstable potential shooters,
you know, I mean, I think it's inarguable that he
is to blame, which makes it ironic that he's talking
about people being programmed by specific phrases in terms you know,

(31:04):
it's it's at the very least cartoonishly ignorant and perhaps hypocritical. Yeah,
willfully hypocritical. And it's interesting to me too. You say,
like he puts calls to action, and I think, what's
what's so upsetting about Alex Jones. I think it would
be less upsetting if he had inspired all of these
attacks and legitimately wanted to because he believes that there's

(31:26):
a real globalist conspiracy to poison everybody. But I think
he gets people amped up and feeling that they're under attack,
and some people interpret that as a call to action
to do violence, but he's just trying to sell them
stuff like that. They call it what they call it
in marketing scripts. The end of of ad copy is
called the call to action. It's like when you tell

(31:46):
people the thing they need to buy. I think that's
literally what he's doing. But it's it's it's got this
weird dual effect. It's it's man, it's painful, it's terrifying. Um.
And you know, if you the listener, aren't quite on
board with sort of our theory of Atlex Jones being
culpable and a lot of killings, let's hear from a
more few more info wars fans. Um. Does the name
Richard Andrew Papulowski mean anything to you'll, it didn't mean

(32:09):
anything to me before I started research. I don't recall.
This is not one of the most famous shootings that
we've had, but we've had a lot lately. He was
a former marine who in two thousand nine got into
a spat with his mother. Someone called the police, and
Richard greeted them. Wearing a bulletproof vest and wielding an
a K forty seven. He opened fire and killed three
police officers. Papulowski's friends and family knew that he regularly

(32:30):
talked about the growing police state, which who doesn't these days.
He also ranted about a coming collapse and seemed to
see himself as a sort of patriotic revolutionary. Here's the
Anti Defamation League's report on him. Quote. Pablowski visited the
site info Wars, frequently shared links to it with others,
and sometimes even posted to it. One of his frustrations
with the site, though, was that it didn't focus enough

(32:50):
on the nefarious roles played by Jews in all of
these conspiracies. Quote for being such a huge players in
the end game that he observed. In a March twenty nine,
two nine posting to for wars, too many info warriors
are surprisingly unfamiliar with the Zionists. Another time, he was
more hopeful, noting that quote racial awareness is on the
rise among the young white population. So Alex Jones has

(33:12):
had some allegations of anti Semitism leveled at him. He
of course denies any kind of prejudice or bias. Other
people have suggested that the term globalist as used by
Alec Jones, is basically a stand in for the word Jews.
There's no way to prove that, but I can prove
that some people interpret Alex Jones that way. I'm working
on another side project as in my career as a
freelance journalist, where I'm collecting the stories of seventy five

(33:35):
different fascist activists and how they came to be what
they call red pilled um. And in there in that community,
that term generally means came to believe that Jews controlled
the world. So I found a number of posts in
people talking about how they became red pilled on these
private fascist forums where people reference Alex Jones. So I'm
just gonna read one of those quotes, um, and this

(33:55):
is from one of the chat rooms where the first
Unite the Right rally and Charlottesville was planned. Quote. Info
Wars actually did a good job of prepping me for
the j Q Jewish question, as much of their facts
are fairly true. They just changed the names. So a
lot of people interpret his stuff that way. Whether or
not that's Jones's intention, what is the Jewish question when

(34:16):
when they're using that term, it means the idea that
Jews are behind a global conspiracy to take over the
world and and dominate politics all of it. It's like
even sort of like during the Depression, there were a
lot of movements to eliminate you know, government um control
of you know, finance or or whatever, and they use
the term like bankers or financiers, and that was a

(34:39):
dog whistle term for Jews at the time as well. Absolutely,
and and even you know Hitler in his when he
was being more careful with his racism, he had a
lot of dog whistles, um and yeah, it's it's just
a common thing with these people and has been for
a while. And so Alex Jones will of course say
that that's not at all his intention, but it is
very clear the some people at least interpret him that way,

(35:02):
and he has to be aware of that. Right. I
can't believe he's ignorant of it, right, but I don't know. Also,
and again, Alex Jones would deny any allegations of anti Semitism,
and I have no evidence that he is secretly trying
to propagandize people in that particular way. UM. Alex Jones
obviously denied any responsibility for the Paplowski shooting. He said
this to the Pittsburgh Post Gazette quote, If anybody should

(35:24):
be blamed for this, it's the Marines. They're the ones
who trained him to kill. And it probably is true
that Papulowski was more dangerous with his a K forty
seven due to the fact that he had marine training. UM,
but Alex was the one who trained him to see
a gigantic government conspiracy lurking behind every failure and setback
in his life. It was Alex Jones who really started
the spread of the FEMA concentration camp conspiracy. And it

(35:45):
just so happens that shortly before his rampage, Papulowski posted
a YouTube clip of Glenn Beck ranting about FEMA concentration camps.
If you remember from the last episode, it was not
uncommon in the early odds for stories to start on
Alex jones site and then filter up to Glenn Beck's
primetime show. And one of the stories that started that
way was the FEMA concentration camp conspiracy. So that's where

(36:08):
we are right now. Um, it is time for some ads.
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(36:29):
Paplawski shooting where he killed three police officers. Was a
huge fan of Alex Jones. We talked about Jared Lee
Lautner who killed six people, huge fan of Alex Jones.
I want to talk a little bit right now about
how info wars is a very well documented vector for
the spread of fake news. There's a scientific study that
was carried out by the University of Washington in two
thousand and fifteen where they looked at three different fake

(36:50):
news stories that had spread after the Boston marathon bombing
and studied how those myths had initially started spreading on
Twitter before they filtered out into the mainstream. And they
traced one of these myths that a group of Navy
seals had planted the bombs at the Boston Marathon. Back
to info Wars, links to the info wars website were
the first links to appear in any tweets related to

(37:11):
this rumor. Their precipitation to the first peak and misinformation
further demonstrates how external content can help Twitter rumors evolve
and spread. Now, Kate Starboard, one of the researchers on
that study, has become an activist and sort of informing
people of the fact that there is a concerted effort
to spread fake news throughout our culture right now. She noted,

(37:32):
at the time, we thought it was pretty insignificant, but
things look different in hindsight. But as far back as
two thousand fifteen, there was documentation that info Wars had
become a major vector for fake news that filtered out
and reached the mainstream. I find interesting because two thousand
fifteen I wasn't paying any attention to and Alex Jones
are info Wars. So yeah, it turns out info Wars
is very popular among the kind of people who wind

(37:54):
up in gun battles with the police. In two thousand ten,
Byron Williams got into a gunfight with several Oakland Police
Office sirs when they pulled him over for driving like
a nut. Williams was wearing body armor and armed with
both a handgun and a three oh eight rifle, which
is more firepower than most Oakland commuters tend to carry.
When Byron survived his gun battle and surrendered to the police,
they started asking him what was going on and why

(38:14):
he had body armor and weapons. He said that his
goal was to quote start a revolution by traveling to
San Francisco and killing people of importance at the Tides
Foundation and the A C. L U. As you may
have guessed, Williams was a gigantic fan of Alex Jones
who loved to rant about the Tides Foundation in the
A C l U. He actually found out about the
Tides Foundation because of Glenn Beck rant. But I'm gonna

(38:36):
give you one guess as to where the Glenn Beck
story started. Here's what Alex Jones told Media Matters when
he was asked about this particular shooting. This goes to
a classic lie that has been retreaded that this fellow
follows Glenn Beck and Alex Jones. This is a classic
guilt by association tactic. It is just more of an
attempt to imply that anyone who criticizes corruption is contributing
to an atmosphere that will cause another Oklahoma City bombing. Yeah,

(39:01):
he's pretty consistent. Yeah, but not, I guess, pretty consistent
at practicing the convenience of association, right. He wants to
be associated with things when they have consequences or results
that will help his bottom line. But is I mean,
reading back over that quote, that's matrix level dodging, isn't it. Yeah?

(39:24):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean this is guilt by association.
He's saying that I'm just criticizing corruption and they're trying
to tie me into terrorist attacks when the reality is like, no,
you're telling people that there is a secret war on
to destroy them and their lives. And then when they
take you seriously and fight back against the secret war,
you say, well, that's not what I meant. Like, yeah,

(39:45):
it's frustrating. You guys. Remember that dude who walked into
the Comet Ping Pong pizzeria with an air fifteen because
he thought children were chained up in there. Well, that
guy had liked Alex Jones and the Info Wars on
his Facebook page. He told the New York Times. He
listen to Alex Jones on the radio. Uh, this guy
said about Alex Jones quote, he's a bit eccentric. He
touches on some issues that are viable, but goes off

(40:07):
the deep end on some things, which I love that.
That's the guy who brought a rifle into a pizza
restaurant because he thought there was a secret child molestation campaign.
Was like, Alex Jones gets a little bit crazy sometimes
at least it's a bit of a cook. He's a
bit of a cook. You have to take it with
a grain of salt. I believe that was pizza Gate
where we're in that same guy was searching for children

(40:31):
who were held in a non existent basement. Yeah, and
Alex Jones was a big proponent of pizza Gate and
also a big proponent in general of the idea that
there's a secret pedophile conspiracy running the entire government and
all Democrats are pedophiles trying to make the world into
a pedophilic empire of some sort. Him and what didn't

(40:51):
this have something to do with Hillary Clinton's emails or
they were like or some exchange between her and one
of her campaign people where they were like all these
like secret words, code words that meant, you know, this
is where we're keeping the children, the virgins, or just
terms for scheduling a time to get together and have pizza.
Run to the popular like place for lawmakers. This comment
Pizza Ria was like, yeah, it's a big DC place,

(41:12):
it's popular, it's it's right in the middle of things.
But yeah, it's even easier when you decide that normal
words are code words for terrible things, like pizza is
a code word for child molestation. Well, then like anybody's
email is going to have references to child molestation in it.
Kids love pizza, pizza, Yeah, oh, cheese pizza because CP

(41:32):
is child something like that. Oh well now it's now,
it's rock solid. Now Benjamin's on board. I'm so on board.
So uh I love that quotation, though, Yea Jones goes
a little off the deep end, just a bit. She's
he's a little touched, says the guy. You should go on.
But I bet there's more. I bet there's a lot more.
You guys remember in two thousand eleven when Oscar Ortega

(41:55):
fired his rifle at the White House from the window
of his car. Yes, yeah, it was a big story.
One of his friends told The New York Times that
he had recently watched The Obama Deception. The Mask Comes Off,
a documentary written and produced by Alex Jones. I don't
think I remember the subtitle, the Mask Comes Off. Yeah,
that may have been a sequel. I don't even know

(42:15):
any He's made a lot of documentaries. Um, so that
may have been the sequel to The Obama Deception, The
Obama Deception, The Mask Comes Off. But I don't know
off the top of my head. It's there's a Born movies,
There's the Obama Deception, the Obama President, the Obama whatever.
I would watch an action movie series that actually started

(42:35):
Barack Obama as himself waking up with CIA training. That
would be fucking amazing. Joe Biden's Wheelman. Yeah, and and
you know, Joe Biden's probably the one who says I'm
getting too old for this. Yeah. He's also like he's
kind of like the grizzled Michael Caine, you know, like
he'd be wielding the sawed off shotgun. You know, you know,
you know what guys, I mean, since we're since we're here,

(42:59):
I don't want to lose the flow. I'm just gonna
text them, Yeah, Michael Caine, I'll just group text Barack Obama,
Joe Biden, Michael kine O. Great. Yeah, the band's got
the context because now we've had a couple presidents who
started off in TV and movies and became president, but
we've never had a president who became a television star
after being president, and I really think we're overdue for that. Yeah,

(43:22):
But so I I imagine then that Alex Jones probably
also denies any association or culpability. Yes, he denies any
So he's that that's going to be across the board.
I don't have a specific quote for that one, but yes,
he does not take any responsibility for ascar Otega shooting
at the White House. After watching a documentary about how
Obama wants to take our freedom, did you guys hear

(43:42):
about Jared and Amanda Miller's two thousand fourteen shooting spree
in Vegas. These were the two guys who left Clive
and Bundy's land, headed to Vegas and then ambushed and
murdered two police officers in order to spark a revolution.
Um They killed one other person outside of a walmart.
Five people in total, including the shooters died from all
of that. Jared and Amanda were both regular commenters on

(44:04):
invo Wars. At one point, Jared made a post on
info wars about killing police officers. Alex Jones declared the
shooting to be a false flag carried out by the
Obama administration to solely the good name of right wing extremists.
But unfortunately for Alex, randomly declaring murders breeze to be
false flags is a tactic that, after about a decade,
eventually came back to haunt him. On December fourteenth, two

(44:26):
thousand twelve, Adam Alonzo walked into Sandy Hook Elementary School
and shot twenty children and six adults dead. Uh Adam
Lanza was not a fan of Alex Jones, was not
connected to him in any way that I'm aware of.
But Alex Jones was a fan of insinuating and sometimes
outright claiming that mass shootings where government false flag attacks
carried out in order to justify a gunvan and that's
exactly what he did in the wake of the Sandy

(44:47):
Hook shootings. Lenny Posner, father of Noah Posner, this youngest
victim of the Sandy Hook massacre, says he probably listened
to an episode of the Info Wars podcast as he
was driving away from dropping off his son for what
would be the last time. Like millions of people like me,
and I'm gonna guess like you guys, Lenny enjoyed conspiracy theories.
Uh now, he believed in some of them. He definitely

(45:09):
had some baddy beliefs at the time, but he wasn't
a blind crazy fan of Info Wars or Alex Jones.
He watched him because Alex is entertaining and funny to watch, right,
Like pretty much everyone who's listened to this podcast so far,
he thought Alex Jones was entertaining, but not anyone to
take too seriously, just like the comment Ping Pong guy.
That changed after Sandy Hook. I'm gonna play a compilation

(45:29):
of a few of the things Alex Jones said about
that mass shooting, as compiled by CNN. And we'll get
into why I have to use a CNN clip in
a little bit here, But here's Alex talking about Sandy Hook.
The official story of Sandy Hook has more holes in
it than Swiss cheese. Now, God tells me the Whitehouse,
people controlling the governments were involved in this, So don't

(45:49):
ever think the globalst that have hijacked this country wouldn't
stage something like this. They kill little kids all day,
every day, and it's not our government, it's the globalist
I mean, they're doing it. They're doing it, they're staging it. Yeah,
so that can't even laugh at that. This crisis actor thing, Yeah,
this spread out of that. You know, he didn't start

(46:11):
out by saying that all of the deaths had been
but that's part of the Alex Jones thing is that
if other conspiracies crop up around a conspiracy he started,
then he'll entertain all of those theories. And he definitely will.
We'll play some clips later of what he said about
the parents, but he was open to the idea that
no children had died in Sandy Hook whatsoever. Um. So,
after you know this, partly as a result of Alex

(46:34):
jones broadcast about the Sandy Hook shootings, the Sandy Hook
Truth movement started to grow and spread. Nuts began traveling
to Sandy Hook to film the town and document evidence
that it was in on some bizarre government conspiracy. At
one point, when Lenny Posner was checking into a hotel,
the man behind the counter saw his hometown on his
I D and said, quote, oh, Sandy Hook, you know
the government did that, right, So yeah, it wasn't all

(46:58):
little incidents like that. People started to believe that the
families of the victims were in on the false flag shooting, because,
according to one variant of the theory, there were no victims.
Lenny and his at the time wife began to suffer
harassment and even threats from strangers who thought they had
faked the death of their six year old son from money.
The couple split up not long after Noah's death, but

(47:19):
the harassment caused them both to move out of Sandy Hook,
hundreds of miles away from their son's grave site, which
they couldn't visit anyway out of the fear that some
nut with a gun was camping out and waiting for them.
Lenny said this to The New York Times, quote, conspiracy
theorists erased the human aspect of history. My child, who lived,
who was a real person, is basically going to be erased. Yeah,

(47:41):
which is yeah, that's probably the best coda we could
possibly get for this episode. Um, conspiracy theorists erased the
human aspect. This is like when ship gets real. I mean,
obviously she has already gotten real with like you know,
poisoning his listeners and all this ship and just duping
people left and right. But this is when they start
to be real consequences and like real weight behind this

(48:03):
bullshit that he's spouting. Yeah, and it's just it's it's
like a boiling point where you can't deny it anymore.
Now he does experience some some serious fallout from this, right, Yeah,
And we'll be getting into the fallout in part three
of this episode. I do want to note that we
had to use the scene and super cut from all
those scenes of Alex Jones ranting about Sandy Hook because
none of the videos where Alex spread that theory are

(48:25):
still up on info Wars. He wondered why, Yeah, he
deleted them after a massive lawsuit threatened his livelihood. It
was possibly illegal that he did this, and in fact,
Mr Jones and his company were sanctioned for deleting quote
extensive social media materials and reportedly hundreds of hours of
video which give you when Trump deletes his tweets, only
you know different. So what does the base of info

(48:48):
Wars think about Jones and code deleting all this footage? Well,
I mean, I don't think any of them have said
anything about at least I haven't read any of that.
Like it's like it's if if Trump deletes his wheets,
like his fans just don't sort of acknowledge the thing
that got deleted. Um, you know, Jones will usually portray
it as we're constantly under a check by the globalists.

(49:09):
They're always trying to shut us down, so we have
to do things to protect ourselves. I think that people
would be like, this is clear evidence that the conspiracy
is real because the government had to go after Alex
and make him take it all down in order to
because they're trying to keep a lid on it. You know.
Here's the other thing, though, I don't want to get
us too off topic, but if the globalist are that

(49:31):
powerful and that a moral, then why are they so ineffective?
Why is his show still on the air. There's a lot,
there's so many things that don't add up. Yeah, and
if you think about Alex's whole career, the line that
he believes about himself makes no sense. It's like how
he was back in the late nineteen nineties calling his
show the Final Edition, and here twenty some years later,

(49:54):
he is still saying all of this stuff. He's never
been stopped, nobody's come after him. It's like you said,
it behooves the doomsday profits for the doomsday never to
come because they they that way, they can keep cashing
in on these suckers that believe every word they say.
And it's it's just it's like gas lighting one oh one.
That's that's what he does, you know, I mean, yeah,
it's it's nuts well, and it's this is a common

(50:16):
thing for conspiracy theories, and it's also a common thing.
It's something they share because obviously not everyone who's a
fan and not i'm gonna say not most people who
are fans of info wars or anti Semitic or who
are fascists or whatever. But if you look at sort
of the anti Semitic conspiracy theories as spread by the fascists,
it's always this conspiracy is always all powerful but simultaneously

(50:38):
too dumb to stop them. That's the same thing with
Alex and stuff, like there's this conspiracy that's all powerful,
but also we're so smart and so woke that we
can defeat it by doing these things. So but it
needs to be both like it it does need to
be a constant threat because number one, that's how you
sell the supplements, but also that's how you keep people
amped up. But they also need to feel like they're

(50:59):
doing something to fight it by supporting info Wars and
sharing its stories on Twitter and Facebook and whatever. I
think it's no accident it's called info wars because warfare
works the same way, right like we you know, companies
make billions and billions of dollars by us being in
a constant state of terror and war, and it makes
people like need them and if you know, if we

(51:20):
had peace, it go out of business. That's no good,
you know. And it's also interesting to me that the
title info wars because Alex Jones is such a pioneer
in fake news and now we are all across the world,
everyone listening to this in the middle of a war
that is being fought in large degree via information. And
I'm going back to like, if you talk about the

(51:40):
there's two thousand ten, the Russian invasion of Georgia started
with the fake news blitz. Uh, the Ukrainian Civil War.
I've talked to people have reported on that one. Like
from that war, when you talk to people who live
in the parts of eastern Ukraine that were first effective.
They were like, yeah, it's started with internet and television propaganda.
Um so in a weird way, by picking the name

(52:01):
info wars for his sight, he kind of did predict
and define what was going to be happening in the
next couple of decades. And he really was the first
person to weaponize the Internet in an effective way. I
don't think he intentionally did it, because he was just
trying to sell supplements, but like, there is definitely connection

(52:22):
between how Alex Jones has accidentally helped to spark so
many shootings and how Isis will do stuff like put
out propaganda to hundreds of thousands of people in the
hopes that one person will drive a bus into a
group of crowded people. Like it is, they're doing it intentionally,
and he was not trying to get anyone killed. He
just wanted to sell supplements. But it's the same tactic essentially.

(52:43):
It's the same idea that if you fill people with
propaganda and convince them that they are being targeted and
attacked in the situation is dire, some of them will
do crazy things and you can just let that happen.
As a side effect of trying to sell bone broth,
or you can a targeted attempt to make that happen,
but either way it's the same tactic. Where does that

(53:05):
leave us now, Robert at the point where it sounds
like there was litigation that it was to some degree effective, right,
it didn't um tamped down his base, but it did,
I think show that he's not bulletproof. So so, where
where are we now? Where does this go? Well? Where

(53:26):
we are, at least in the podcast we're telling is
Alex Jones has been sued by the families of the
Sandy Hook victims that he uh sort of made into
escape doubts for a lot of his listeners. Where we're
going to be in the next episode is uh, I'm
titling the third one the Fall of the House of Jones.
So yeah, the Sandy Hook families are not the only

(53:46):
people who sued him, although it is very possible that
that lawsuit will be the thing that finally brings his
empire of bullshit crashing to the ground. It's a really
tremendous story and I'm excited to bring it to you
and to all of you listening right now. On on Thursday,
when we we dropped part three of this Alex Jones podcast,
and there will be a lot of shot in freude

(54:07):
in that one. So if you've been frustrated with all
of the death and lies and nonsense and racism and
dirty gym socks on his ears, uh, you'll you'll get
some Catharsis in this next episode before we get into that,
you guys want to plug your plug doubles. Absolutely so.
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(54:28):
Nola myself on stuff they don't want you to know,
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recently did an episode on the whole Alex Jones turning
the frogs gay, that whole debacle. Um. But man, I
just I'm learning more than I ever wanted to know
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(54:50):
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a weird one. What do we do today? We did
one today about how maybe some British people during the
Napoleonic War hanged a monkey because they thought it was
a French spy. So stuff like that. And you can
find every episode of every podcast we have ever done
on Ridiculous History Show, dot Com and stuff they Don't
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it in the first episode, we highly recommend checking out
our ridiculous episode that features a cameo from How Stuff
Works own Robert this is true. This is true. That
was a lot of fun to do. And it's the
one where Robert coined the term chock full of Nazis,
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sponsors wanna wanna Behind the Bastard's branded coffee that's basically
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Bastards pod and uh. I just want everyone to know
the globalists are trying to sap all of the iodine
out of your body. But if you give me forty dollars,
I have a pocket full of dirty iodine pills that
I will pour into an envelope and mail to you
at song. Yeah, pocket full of dirty pills. All right.

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You can buy our t shirts on t public. They
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of our thrilling three part story on Alex Jones on Thursday.
Until then, I love