May 9, 2019 • 40 mins
In Part Two on American Border Militias, Robert is joined again by Katy Stoll and Cody Johnston to continue discussing the truly horrific history of Border Patrol.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What's patrol in my borders? I'm Robert Evans hosted Behind
the Bastards. This is Behind the Bastards, the podcast We'll
tell you bad people talk about them. Katie Stole, Cody Johnson,
how are you guys? Quick answer your question? Racist patrol
your border? Yes they are. Whether or not they're in
border patrol. Actually it doesn't matter pretty much from the
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top down. Um boy, you know, uh sure, seems like
is going to be the worst year of everyone's life,
the worst year. I could I could agree more, but
I'll this degree. What do we agree with you completely?
What if we? What if we? What have we spitballing here?
What if we produced a weekly podcast through the entirety
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of the election talking about the stuff people are leaving out,
going to places other people don't go to the conventions? Yeah,
avoiding mentioning, you know, because the president so much about
talking about policies, policies, important things people left behind, maybe
injecting methamphetamine into our butts and going to see pack.
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What do we did that everything? Cory? You think we
should do that? I think we should do it on
the spot. Sure, okay, cool? You know what I what
I what I love doing, and what's super professional it's
holding holding pitch meetings like this at the start of
my show where the magic happens and we're actually legally
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forbidden from talking, not on microphones to each other. This
is the only place we can have this. I've had
mine implanted, so which very cool move. Everything's check out
our other podcast just catching up with each other's friends.
We have to record. So my my nighttime sleeping snore
sounds has really taken off. I think the Cody and
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I discuss our Sciatica episode. It's really it's really good. Yeah,
I've got some good stretches for you guys. Good. Yeah,
that's the title of another episode. Well we're doing that.
Is that our soft way of saying we're going to
do that. We're going to do a weekly podcast about
the election called the Worst Year every One's Life? Yeah,
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get ready, guy, this is gonna happen. Check it out.
Check it out for not even particularly close to now,
but but like sometime we look forward to some time
in the Q three is maybe que for the Worst
year of Everybody's life with you. Hooray. That sounds great.
You know what else sounds great is I doubt are
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the surely crippling. I was going to say, the surely
crippling addictions that we will inculcate covering this nightmare of
an election. Are they going to be worse than my
already existing addiction? They have to be. I've already checked
myself into rehab for December. Cool. Yeah, And I've already
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started asking random guys under bridges if they have adderall.
So this is this is where fantastic we are at this.
Look at this team. You know what, and I've been
stockpiling Ben's a green in Hailer's. You just pop those
things out, drop them in your water, and that's that's
that's seventies speed right there, profession doing it right, Sophie,
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You're gonna be some sort of hand signal. Oh, we
have a we have a show to do that people
tuned in wanting to hear more about the racists of
the border. I guess we could get the show. Fine. Fine.
Chris Simcox was the first person to tap effectively into
a very particular chunk of the American conservative consciousness. People
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had tried to run volunteer border militias before, and there
had been militias for decades, but no one had managed
to make that sort of behavior go mainstream because all
the prior leaders of those sorts of movements had been
insane people, outright Nazis or insane outright not Chris Simcox
was a clean cut, all American looking guy. He helped
the militia movement go mainstream. Here's the Nation co wote,
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thank you, Cody. As the Republican Party has fractured over immigration,
Simcox has become a hero of the build a Wall
to portum All faction of the GOP. Earlier this year,
he shed his camouflage fatigues for a suit and tie
as a featured panelist at the Conservative Political Action Conference
in Washington, d C. The nation's largest gathering of conservative
political activists, and increasing portion of his time has spent
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at fundraisers and forums far away from the border. He
once sword a afend by any means necessary. Chris had
enough charisma to be able to effectively work a crowd.
That Nation article recounts a speech he gave during our
Republican Party fundraiser at Wild Bills, a nightclub in Atlanta.
I want you to remember, as I read this, that
had happened all the way back in two thousand and six,
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the odor of pulled pork spread a mighty tang as
members of Georgians for Immigration Reduction hawked t shirts bearing
the image of a snarling bald above the slogan ill Eagles,
foul up my country. One fucking guests, how foul spell.
I desperately want one of those shirts. I will wear
it every day. That's what I'll wear to sea packs. Yeah,
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the internet you have to wear that. Well, Oh my god,
I will wear it for the four days before seapack,
so it's like filthy and then we'll shoot math amphetamine
into our butts and the sea pack. It's going to
be amazing. I'm gonna have so many landyards by then,
so good. Alright, you can talk about I'm excited about
all the lanyards. The crowd warmed up for Simcox by
listening to The Right Brothers, a country rock duo builds.
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Sean Hanney show put to me that's they're not They're billing.
That's what they want to be there. That's not a description.
I'm looking them up. I'm not even through the paragraph
and there's tears in my eyes. We're still talking about
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the Right Brothers. One on Black sombrero with gold tessels
have dedicated a song called the Illegals to Chris Simcox.
The not so catchy chorus tell me why do we
allow the illegals? After all, they're illegal? So why do
we allow the illegals to keep on coming? In? Ryan
Illegal with illegal? That's so bad? Oh my gosh, what insane.
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That's so perfect, because like it's it's so bad in
so many ways because like obviously the message is like, well,
that's not good. That's Sean Hannity's show. But then like
rhyming illegal fielding over. It's so inelegance, Like, oh yeah,
the other aspect of Sean Hannity. Yeah, he's really dominated
that inelegant. Incredible, amazing. As the music faded, Simcocks strolled
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onto stage to raucous cheers. America's top vigilante spoke slowly
and with a hint of condescension, almost as if addressing
a room full of five year olds. When you put
blend lawnchairs on the border, an amazing thing happens. Simcox said,
no one comes across. As he spoke, giant screens behind
him displayed ghostly night vision images of immigrants marching through
the desert water jugs piled beneath a mesquite tree and
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the decomposing corpses of desert crossers. What what the fudge?
It sounds like he's a cool guy. Cool dude, it
sounds like he is a guy. Yeah. You see all
those videos of like migrants a crossing the border and
they the border patrol and they're dying, empt dehydrated, and
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then you see the border patrol agents take jugs of
water and pour them out in front of the sounds
like something nice people do, cool people. Okayeh, I just
want to I just want to make sure Okay, yeah,
I mean that we we we should at some point
do an episode on the terrible things the border patrol
is spect like, they're just there's there's a lot to
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talk about. With the individually focus, they just head on
a swive. Christ Jesus Christ. Now it was the early
odds rolled along. Chris Simcox became more controversial within his group.
Many accused him of taking donations to finance his own lifestyle.
Here in the nickname the Little Prince, for allegedly being
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a complete prick and control freak, for being a little
French boy at a little a little lord yeah, nice,
not necessarily. Actually, it's for a mediocre We'll make a
T shirt out of it. Yeah, but I'm not going
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to throw the bagels over that. I understand, which right
now since I mentioned them. I don't know if you've
heard of czech Ov's gun, but yeah, m hm uh yeah.
As a result, the miniment splintered more and more. This
was not entirely a bad thing. More than fifty different
groups eventually formed all around the US, and for years
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they held regular border patrolling events. Most of these were
on the US Mexico border, but Chris's Minuteman chapter did
send a few guys up to the Canadian border to
sit in lawn chairs and watch for dastardly Canadian infiltrators.
I think the only people they caught were Americans trying
to sneak into Canada. At its peak, the Minutement Project
had more than twelve thousand members, and that was just
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in the main official group. Gil Kristen Simcox remained the
primary faces of the movement, but starting in two thousand six,
they began to share the stage with someone else, a
forty one year old woman named Shawna Ford. Y'all heard
of SHAWNA. Ford. You're talking about to she Afford or
just person for no, no, no, she's not at all
related to the motor Company's spelled different too. There's an
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e at the end. Ford's first operation was actually one
of the watches in the U. S. Canada border, which
was close to her home at the time, Bellingham, Washington.
After the watch, she wound up at a party at
the home of Bob Damron, the Washington State Minuteman leader.
While everyone was eating dinner, she was caught alone in
the Damron's bedroom looking through a dresser for pain pills.
She was kicked out of the house, but allowed to
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remain in the group. This is because Seanna was kind
of a superstar minuteman or woman or whatever whatever term
you want to use. A minute person. She showed up
at every event, and she was the kind of person
who just sort of dominated any conversations she was in
in such a way that within a few weeks she'd
become one of the most prominent members of the group.
She was especially active on the minutement email list the line.
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According to The Herald, a local Washingtonian news source, quote
in length the August six emails, she described being attacked
by a group of men she said they were Mexicans
outside of a Seattle Starbucks. The men were enraged after
seeing signs against immigration piled inside her car. Ford wrote
about finding herself face to face with a pair of
dark brown eyes filled with pure hate. One man, she wrote,
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wanted to rape me or kill me, probably both. Just
before the confrontation got physical, though, Ford said she was
saved by a group of US Army soldiers in uniform
who happened to be in the area. Could everybody clap?
I'm sure they all clapped, I'll say, in a little
bit of defense to her, I have seen a of U. S.
Army soldiers in full uniform in well U. S. Navy
in Seattle during Fleetwheek. But they were all so drunk
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they couldn't stay and trying to funk everything that moved
as Marines and maybe personnel do so she maybe like
got her signals crossed and like misinterpreted what they were
showing up for. Yeah, yeah, I mean this is all
I Yeah, I mean I feel like yeah, because I'm
gonna guess like Seattle's racial makeup being it what it
is like any group of Hispanics, and that like city
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are probably like members of the U. S. Military. As
you were saying that, I was like, I bet someone
with brown eyes. One person saw her sign was like
hey man, that's not cool and was shouting about it
as someone was like, that's your bad person. And then
a bunch of horny sailors came up and was like,
anybody here you know that's that's the grain of truth
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I got from that. Yeah, is literally anything bothering you
right now? I know what I'll make you feel better
because I'm drunk. Is fucking it's fleet week. It's a
fun time. Oh, it's time for ads also for the Navy.
That was the Sean Hannity of transitions. Anyway, it's adds
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time join the Navy. Get drunk in Seattle. We're back.
We were just we were just talking off off Mike
about cool political ideals we have u that you could
hear about on the hypothetical podcast that's definitely coming if
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we if we definitely probably are gonna for sure do that. Yeah,
well we'll definitely most likely absolutely be talking about what
we just talked about, and you guys can tune in
that that it wasn't recorded. It was weird that it
wasn't recorded. Let's talk about Sean A Ford some more. Yeah, Um,
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Seanna became quickly the minutments de facto spokeswoman, regularly talking
to rest on behalf of the organization. This did not
go over super well with all of the actual leadership
of the group, who felt that Shannon was basically just
shouting her way into power. Gil Christ Simcox and the
organization's other leadership got together and voted to fire her.
Bob Damron was instructed to actually do the deed in
November of two thousand six, after she finished participating in
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a local television town council discussion on illegal immigration. D'amaron
later recalled I told her I was told to fire her.
I also told her I couldn't do it. Shaken Ford
drove home, or she tried to, but she rammed a
guardrail in her Honda Civic and was taken to the
hospital with minor injuries. This much we can confirm the
Washington State Patrols that she crashed when a truck which
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was obeying all the rules of the road, pulled in
front of her. The state patrol seems to put the
blame on her for driving like a ship heead, but
in Ford's recitation of events, the truck drivers ran her
off the road, and of course they were Mexican. Yeah,
she's she's, yeah, I can't take responsibility for themselves. It's cool,
especially when they become part of a heavily armed militia.
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That's the best thing. Those the best kinds of responsible people.
She trying to end it all. I don't know. I
think she was trying to have a minor car accident
so she could claim Mexicans were trying to murder her.
Those drivers were Mexican. He did not none at all. Yeah. Yeah.
Driving forty or fifty thousand miles a year as I do,
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especially up in the Pacific Northwest, I don't see a
lot of truck drivers who aren't old white dudes. But
she seems to run into them. All. Yeah, she does
seem to run into the mall. This attempt on her
life was enough to delay Forwards firing in January. To
them seven, she took the opportunity to approach Chris Simcox directly.
She told him that her States Mintment Group leaders were
shitty and disorganized. She said she could do better when
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she had a whole plan laid out for how to
fix things. Simcox promoted her to a state level leadership position.
Seana took to leadership like a dog takes to a
fahita that fell on the floor. She quickly came up
with new stories of assassination attempts against her, including the
claim that she had been shot in the arm during
another attack by dastardly villains of vaguely Hispan origin. She
told anyone who listened that she fully expected to die
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for the cause. All this impressed Jim Gilchrist. In early
two thousand and eight, he made her the Minuteman Projects
Border Patrol coordinator. She moved to Arizona and started her
own independent men and man group called Minutemen Against American Defense.
When she was kicked out of the original Minuteman group
shortly after moving down to Arizona for being a crazy person,
gil Chris sent her volunteers though, calling her one tough lady,
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and soon she had around twenty armed volunteers at her
beck and call in her own personal little minute man Militia.
Ford began to claim that she'd started an undercover operation
to infiltrate drug dealers on the border. Gil Chris started
to worry that she was going to get murdered, which
seems to have been her goal. Throughout two thousand eight,
Shanna Ford took to calling Kathy Dameron, Bob's wife at
all hours of the day and night, claiming that her
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life was in danger and shadowy figures were hunting her.
Shanna would regularly cut the call suddenly just to make
things seem even scarier. I'm gonna say real quick, she
seems like a toxic friend that you don't want to
have in your life, a real energy dream. I think
people would be well served to just cut that tie
on anyway, some meatorializing. In November two eight, Ford emailed
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Kathy photos of drugs and money she claimed to have
found at an Arizona stash house. Photo solidified her reputation
to other minutemen Shanna Ford was out there fighting the
real war on the border. This image was buoyed when
her ex husband was shot by an intruder in their Everett,
Arizona home that December. The case is still unsolved, and
the next week Shanna went to the police and claimed
that a Latino gang had raped her. That case was
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eventually dropped due to a lack of evidence. In January,
Ford called Kathy and in mid call, claimed to have
suddenly been shot. Kathy did not hear any gunfire over
the line. Why is somebody gun violence and so much
fake gun? What happened to her husband? We don't Yeah, yeah,
he's fine, he's fine. Did she shoot her husband? I
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don't know. He shot himself? Seems like something like she
shot her husband, and I mean home invasions do happen,
but like, yeah, just given everything else, seems like it
might have been literally everything else up exactly. Yeah. So
that phone call, which was super sketchy, and the fact
that Shanna stole Cathy's pain pills whenever she visited and
made the Dammaron slowly stopped trusting her. Cameron sounds like
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a pill to take. I mean, demeroll is fucking awesome.
Um here's how Cathy relates Shanna reacting when she got
caught pill handed. She said, I've been busted, haven't I?
I said, yes, you have. She said, I'm sorry, Mom.
I said not good enough, So mom, Yeah, I think
that was like her nickname or she was being a
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kid disturbed by this relationship. You're about to be disturbed her.
In February two thousand, eight, Harold published an article revealing
that Shanna had a history of childhood felonies. They went
to Jim Gilchristopher comment. His initial response was actually pretty reasonable,
saying he respected her for turning her life around, and
then he said this, She is no winer. She is
a stoic struggler who has chosen to put country, community
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and yearning for a civilized society ahead of avarice and
self glorifying ego. In two thousand nine, stoic struggler Shauna
Ford cooked up a plan. She had identified someone she
believed to be a drug dealer in Aravaca, a small
border town. Shanna reasoned that this monster was getting drugs
from Mexico. If she robbed him and took his drugs
and money, she could use them to fund the expansion
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of her border militia Solid galaxy brain plan. Right, and
the drugs because she ran out of her friend's pills. Yeah,
you know, he stops drug dealers rubbing them. That's the
one thing that I'm out we've all seen breaking bad.
In mid May, Shanna traveled to Colorado to recruit to
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recruit a few good men to help her carry out
this scheme. Here's how Tucson dot com describes what happened next.
At that meeting, in a truck stop near Denver, Ford
drew a map. It wasn't specific, pointing to an individual house,
but it gave a generic impression of the area. She
meant to hit Ron Wido and Robert Copley, two of
them and she was recruiting. Kept the map and handed
it over to Chris Anderson, an FBI agent in Colorado,
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for whom they were at his informants. This is where
the bureaucratic problems happened. Anderson said he passed the information
to the FBI in Phoenix. The FBI in Phoenix apparently
did nothing. Eventually, it even destroyed the map. On two
thousand nine, Shawna Ford and two of her militiamen showed
up after midnight at the home of Raoul Flora's Gina Gonzalez,
and their nine year old daughter, Brassenia. Shawna and her
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men posed as border patrol officers. They accused Flora's of
harboring the legal immigrants and told him his house was surrounded.
Flora's let them in, thinking there were cops. Shanna believed
that Raul was a drug dealer, so she started combing
his home for drugs in cash. There was only one problem,
Raoul was not a drug smuggler. His house had nothing
valuable in it, so Shauna and her men stole Jina's jewelry.
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Then they executed Raoul Flora's with a gun shot to
the chest. They shot his wife next three times, and
while she begged for her life, they blew nine year
old Brassenia's head off. Now, Gina survived the gun shots
and played dead until Shauna and her men left. Then
she got up, called nine one one and grabbed her
husband's shotgun. For some reason, Wanna and her people re entered,
probably planning to search another part of the house for drugs.
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Gina opened fire, wounding one of the gunmen and causing
them all to run like the gutless ship stains. They
were cool. Wow that really Yeah, Yeah, it's the it's
I mean, it's the only logical extent of what these
people are doing. Oh we didn't find we need I'm
gonna kill you. Yeah. The big bar in our Avoca,
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like the center of this little town, like has signs
that like specifically saying no militia, like no border patrol
like fake people are allowed in the bar, like we
we we don't want any of this fucking bullshit anymore.
For all the stuff we talked about, theological progression, and
it's like the people they claim to be protecting who
live on the border and actually despise all the people
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doing this because they just bring trouble and they're undisciplined,
violent nuts. Yeah, Shanna and her compatriots were all convicted
of murder. Shauna was sentenced to death in two thousand eleven.
Gina also sued the FBI for having clear evidence that
Shauna Ford planned to violently attack people and doing nothing
with it. The ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals ruled
that she had no grounds to sue for this. According
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to Tucson dot Com, the argument that really stuck was
that under the Federal Tort Claims Act, the federal government
can't be sued over the exercise or performance or failure
to exercise or perform a discretionary function or duty. The
decision of whether or not to notify local law enforcement
was a discretionary act, she said in her decision. They're
not required to let law enforcement know that someone's planning
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a violent break in of a house. Are they can
be policy? Yes, that sounds like a terrible policy if
they were allowed to do this, What if they were
required to tell local law enforcement? When enough with the
militia is talking about attacking people's homes and drawing maps
well of where she plans to hit. I don't have
the names of these the current militia situation going on
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the names of people. So I'm talking generally. But the
leader will get to that. We'll get to that. Okay,
I'll save it then, but it ties in with this. Sorry,
that's okay, okay. So in two thousand ten, the year
before Shauna's trial, Chris Simcox ran for Senate. He's a
little picture, Chris Simcox, Get the funk out of here,
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Chris Simcox. I trust that guy, You trust him? Yeah.
He was attacked from the right for his seemingly moderate
views on illegal immigrants. Chris had started to support adding
a new pathways for citizenship to make immigration easier for
people fleeing desperate circumstances, with whom he claimed to sympathize.
He was also attacked for the m c d c's
financial irregularities, chief among them the fact that hundreds of
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thousands of dollars, maybe millions of dollars had probably been
funneled directly into his pocket in spite of the fact
that he officially drew no salary. Weirdly, what wasn't a
huge issue was that, as early as two thousand five,
the Southern Poverty Law Center had reported that Simcox's first
ex wife had accused him of trying to sexually molest
their fourteen year old daughter. Not long after that, his
second ex wife accused him a violent abusive behavior. She
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testified in court that he once took a knife from
the kitchen and threatened to kill himself. When he was angry,
he broke furniture. Carwin does, he banged his head against
the wall repeatedly and punched things. Simcox repeatedly vehemently denied
all allegations. He continued to do so right up until
the moment. In June of two thousand and thirteen, he
was arrested on multiple counts of molesting and raping several
of his own daughters. Here's the Phoenix New Times quote.
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Two of the daughters who took the stand are under
the age of ten. Both of his children with ex
wife Elina Simcox. One of them alleges sexual abuse. The
third daughter is an adult, his child from her previous marriage,
who alleges that Simcox molested her on three separate occasions
when she was young. I'm so angry, cool dude, Chris
Simcos patriot. Yep, this is a part. I don't know.
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I don't know what to say. Yeah, it's so gross. Yeah,
I'm not going to go into detail about what Chris did,
other than to say that this border patrol and clean
shaven conservative patriot repeatedly sexually assaulted his own daughters, and
two dozen sixteen, he was sentenced to nineteen and a
half years in prison, should have been forty, with shaann
A convicted of murder and Chris convicted of serrid child molestation.
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Jim Kilchris was left at the as the only Minuteman
leader not in prison for committing numerous horrific crimes, and
he's still active. A two thousand sixteen Vice article caught
up with gil Christ. He told him he takes credit
for the conservative obsession with border control that metastasized into
the presidency of Donald Trump and his wall. Jim also
resurrected the Minutemen back in two thousand and fourteen after
his co founder was arrested for being a pedophile. So
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the Minute Men are still a presence in American political discourse.
That said, time has largely moved past them. And we're
going to talk about what time has moved on towards.
But first we're going to talk about products services. And
you know what, I forgot to do this, but I'm gonna.
I'm gonna. I'm gonna act on my anger over the
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crimes of Chris and Talks and SHAWNA. Ford by tossing
the bagel. Good on you for moving those greats. And
I'm not even gonna look at where I tossed it,
so this could be real bad. No, they just came
right back, almost perfect. That was a blind throw. Proud
of me, Sophie. So if he's out of me, you
know what else is proud of me? The sponsors of
this show Products. We're back. We're having a conversation. Then
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I interrupted it by saying we're back, and act of
cruelty to our our our engineer Daniel, who's done nothing
but be helpful to me, and bash Taylor Swift and
bash Taylor Swift. Um, So I have these bagels and
I've been tossing them. We have these soundboards on the
wall that that act to bounce sound around Somehow, I
don't understand what they're for. I've been tossing them mostly,
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which is why it's been bouncing back. To me, it
makes sense. But we also have on the end of
this recording studio, for reasons that are inexplicable to me,
a glass door leading out to a porch, which is
not standard in most recording studios. I'm gonna try chucking
them as hard as I can at the glass door,
just to see what happens. No, it's happening. So satisfying sound.
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That was a good sound. This is gonna be great
on the podcast. Content him around here. He can do
what he wants. Yes, the people who built that like
sound proof that porch sealed it with toxic chemicals and
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didn't let it off. One thing we're not allowed to
do is throw bagels at that door. The door to
the like walled off porch in our recording studio is
filled with poison. This is such a great studio. Yeah,
it keeps on your toes. The problem I might throw
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him again, Yeah, what do you might? Well, you know,
Anderson fear is the mind killer, the little death that
causes me to throw bagels. I think that's how it was. Yeah,
that's the it was from doing right. Yeah, so it
goes a big bagel fan frank herbet Okay, so bagel
hard right, Yes, we'll keep onto the so. As I said,
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time has moved past the minutement, but their influence echoes
and much of what's going on right now at the border.
In May of two thousand eighteen, Michael Meyer, founder of
a militia called Veterans on Patrol, posted a video of
himself walking through a homeless encampment in Tucson. Like Chris Simcox,
Michael gave the government an ultimatum they had until noon
tomorrow to investigate the site. According to BuzzFeed quote, He
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then turned the camera around towards a tree with straps
attached to it, declaring this is a rape tree. Meyer
painted a grim picture. The straps on the tree were
not used to secure parts of a makeshift homeless encampment. Instead,
there were restraints for holding children in place where they
were sexually abused by cartel members. He claimed the space
dug into the ground was in fact a prison cell
for the children, and various other items of trash and
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debris at the site proved to Meyer that six ship
had been going on there. This is a child sex
trafficking camp that no one wants to talk about, that
no one wants to do anything about. Said, what is
tha get his information into? Where it gets his information?
The video quickly racked up hundreds of thousands of views,
and Myer's claims were even repeated by a number of
local news stations, and for Wars and other similar conspiracy
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outlets were happy to run with the tail, and it
quickly got woven into the broader Pizza gate Q and
on family of conspiracies. But the idea of rape trees
did not start with Meyer. Here's a video child murderer SHAWNA.
Ford posted in two thousand nine. Yeah, Sean Fox, there's
a coyote who uses this very specific trail. This is
(28:33):
his territory. He brings his people through here and they'll
pick out who they want out of the group. They'll
bring him to a separate location. They will rape them.
They will rip their underwear off and take their braws off.
They make them leave them behind, and then they throw
them on trees. That's a trophy. Women do not leave
their garments laying around. Most women, Come on, girls, we
all know that we tuck them and put them away somewhere,
(28:54):
and we're not just going to throw them out. It
doesn't matter if you're out in the middle the wilderness
or not. Women tend to be very more us with
their undergarments. So what a traditional lay up side is
is backpacks, clothing changes, just all kinds of items here.
No backpacks, no male items, nothing, that's a traditional layup.
(29:16):
So this is a genuine rape tree in a genuine
rape spot. Are rape trees historically a thing? I mean
outside of a true detective Season one. Her evidence is
that women tend to be modest. That's your evidence. That's
their child and disciple of a pedophile. I take my
(29:38):
bra off and leave it places whenever I can. Unbelievable,
these weirdos, I think, I think the word you're looking
for a psychopath. These people, there's such a bizarre cross
section of the like obsession with like there's like a
kids sex cult going on. Also there's them grant thing,
(30:00):
but also it's like a kid's sex and also also
the government is in on it. And I'm gonna molest
my own kids, a child. People, but like these people,
the people, it's sick, cults of sex. Shad, who ordered
the execution style murder of a nine year old, worried
about rape trees. According to Harrold Shapira, author of a
(30:23):
book about vigilante border patrols, quote for the minutement, the
rape trees are a powerful symbol of the Mexican males
immorality and simultaneously imbute their own actions with valor. By
patrolling the border, the volunteers are not just defending America
but women, and not just American women, but all women,
even the ones who are illegal until they shoot him
in until they until they try to execute them. But
(30:44):
because she's a badass, she finds them off with a shotgun,
which is it's terrible, it's and it's the worst thing
that can possibly have. And then they can't even do
the suit that she tried to bring. No to her sorry,
unbelievably infuriating and terrible. In October of two thousand seventeen,
the FBI Public Access Line received reports of militia activity
(31:06):
in Flora Vista, New Mexico. According to a government complaint,
which I initially found shared by activist Emily Gortchynsky on
Twitter quote. In October two seventeen, the FBI Public Access
line PAL received reports of alleged militia extremist activity in
Flora Vista, New Mexico. Information was conveyed relating to a
group that called itself the United Constitutional Patriots, located at
(31:26):
Lakeside Ranch Trailer Park in Floravista, New Mexico. The United
Constitutional Patriots was led by their so called commander, Larry Hopkins,
who also went by the alias of Johnny Horton Jr.
Information was also conveyed that the group had its base
at Hopkins's residence, was supported by approximately twenty members, and
was armed with a K forty seven rifles and other firearms.
Witnesses reported seeing members of the United Constitutional Patriots bearing
(31:47):
firearms at Hopkins's residence. Hopskins also allegedly made the statement
that the United Constitutional Patriots were training to assassinate George Soros,
Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama because of these individual support
of Antifa cool This story kills me when you find
evidence that a convicted felony lives in a house with
(32:11):
multiple firearms. Convicted felon that impersonated Yeah, just like the
people who murdered that nine year old and an innocent man.
Um when you when you hear about that these people
illegally have guns and are planning to murder a former president,
a former secretary of state, a random private person, and
presumably some ANTIFA people. What what would you what would
(32:32):
you guess law enforcement would do? I think in this situation,
they'd walk away for a couple of years or a
year and a half of some change, and then come
back last week and arrest him because they posted some
videos online and everybody got upset. Yeah, kind of like
how they threw away that map to where Shauna Ford
was turned to rob and murder people. Yeah, yeah, that's
(32:55):
exactly what happened. The FBI just kind of moved on
with their lives and forgot about it, and believe left
left this ellen with weapons and stuff. But it comes
back to this thing. So the FBI doesn't necessarily have
to report this to law enforcements at their discretion. It's
at their discretion. But this was okay because something that
I've read is like he was like, no, no, these guns,
they all belonged to my common law wife. Yeah, he
(33:15):
did say that, So that's okay, thats okay, then let's
make that law. You just can't have guns in the house. Yeah,
if you're a convicted felon who pretends to be a
police officer. And they saw the videos were getting traction. Yeah. Yeah.
Almost two years later, in April of two nineteen, pictures
and video went viral of the group of heavily armed
(33:35):
American militiamen with a R fifteen's body armor and skull
print balaclava's stopping a group of two hundred migrants at
the border and holding them until police arrived. These men
were part of United Constitutional Patriots. Their leader was Larry Hopkins.
Hopkins claimed that they had attained fifty sid people in
the last two months. The video of their arrests went viral,
and it seems to have finally prompted the FBI to
do something about Larry Hopkins and his illegal guns. They
(33:57):
arrested him a few days later after the video went viral.
This is his mug shot and it's look at that beautiful.
It's quite quite the mug shot. That's talked about it
briefly on the podcast this week, and I just didn't
know how to describe it. He looks like a convicted
felon who would probably murder and rape people. He's like
(34:19):
sort of like washed up country singer, looks like he's
got a grocery store in Yeah, Okay, that's a really
good coach. He looks like, yeah, that's exactly right. But
his eyes will never open for more than that ever. Again. No,
he looks like who you would cast if you needed
someone to play a drunk seventy year old Elvis. Yeah. Yeah,
(34:46):
and they chose the nicest picture. They chose a good one.
Yeah for the press phone. So Larry is at least
behind bars for a little while, But less than a
week before the recording of this episode, something else happened
behind the bar stars. Thank you. Russell Pierce, a former
member of the Arizona State Senate, spoke at a Patriotism
over Socialism rally and Gilbert Arizona. He shared the stage
(35:07):
with Laura Lumer and spoke about the border crisis, noting
that it may take the shedding of blood to keep
this republic, and I, for one, am willing to do
whatever it takes. In their coverage of his remarks, Fox
News noted it was not clear what Pierce now an
employee at the Maricopa County Treasurer was speaking about, was
it not. I think I may have an idea. He's
(35:28):
talking about doing what Shanna Ford did on the bottom
of the do An episode on her. No, she doesn't
deserve it. It doesn't deserve it, deserve it. I mean,
Simcosh definitely is a bastard, so Shauna Ford. So I
said this before he started recording. But I do appreciate
(35:50):
a female bastard because, like I said before the recording,
that you guys weren't here for. I do think it's
sex as our knee jerk reaction, like or our thought
that like, oh, women are are better than men. No,
women can suck, women can suck to women can suck balls.
They can. I mean that's not bad or not necessarily,
(36:12):
that's a neutral. Sometimes I was using it in a
way that has nothing to do with sex. Yeah, I
was not. Yeah, I see that. I can't look at
one pump points right there right in front of you, bagels. Yeah,
oh oh, I get it now. I thought it was
purely about coffee, mate. I can't see why you think that.
(36:34):
I get it. Um, you probably have to cut this
out one stroke, one come I get it out. No,
we can say come on the show. I mean, I'm
hoping to get onto Cometown. I still don't know what
Cometown is. Never good, great title and the come boys.
That's funny. That makes me giggle. I don't know what
it is. Don't plan to listen. I don't need to
know what I do plan to do. Toss these bagels
(36:55):
one last time? Now where not Sophie, But where do
the people who aren't Sophie want me to toss this
that I haven't yet Sophie, Sophie, No, I'm not. Oh
the roof. That's a good idea, because anything can happen roof.
There's there's drinks, there's computers. Oh, this is good. Glass.
(37:18):
It was good. They fell behind me. I was hoping
it was going to do some damage. But the next
person that walks on that glass ceiling. There is a
glass ceiling. There's class ceiling, and it freaks. There's a
glass ceiling up of the poison room recording studio. This
is where I want to be when the big one hits,
(37:41):
right right between the glass ceiling and the poison room. Yeah.
I can't believe all of that's true. And none of
it's a joke. You're going to need to tweet some
pictures of all of these places. People understand what we're
talking about. The room just don't open it, don't that?
(38:02):
So you guys want to plug your plug doubles. Yeah,
we got a podcast called even More News. You got
a past um and my name's Katie Stole on Twitter
and in life Cody take it Away videos series on
YouTube called some More News and that Twitter account is
some More News. And my Twitter account is dr Mr Cody.
(38:24):
That's d r M, I sdr c and I forget
my name. But this podcast has a Twitter and an
Instagram at Bastards Pod. It has a website behind the
Bastards dot Com. I don't think there's anything else to plug.
Sophie's not saying I should plug anything else. Well, there's
this this show that we're nil is gesturing to his shirt.
(38:45):
You can buy Daniel shirt if you find him on Twitter. Um,
he'll sell anything, any anything. You can also buy shirts
on t public dot com buying the Bastards. Is there
anything else? Uh? Sophie is a dog named Anderson. You
probably cannot buy um. Yeah, but you could. You could
approach her about buying the dog if you approach this
(39:07):
on Twitter, because she runs the Twitter, because I am
not allowed to run the Twitter and should under no
circumstances that we don't need you being tweeted hey can
I buy that dog? And you're saying yes, yes, Well
that's the episode. Go what what are you? What are
(39:27):
you looking at? What's it could happen here? What could
happen here? Oh? I have a podcast. I have a
podcast and a dream of exasperating Sophie by pretending I'm
not going to mention it to make her frustrated because
I'm just a piece of ship. It's working, Cody's enjoying it.
(39:48):
That's the audience I play for here, all right, play
me out, Danial
What's patrol in my borders? I'm Robert Evans hosted Behind
the Bastards. This is Behind the Bastards, the podcast We'll
tell you bad people talk about them. Katie Stole, Cody Johnson,
how are you guys? Quick answer your question? Racist patrol
your border? Yes they are. Whether or not they're in
border patrol. Actually it doesn't matter pretty much from the
(00:27):
top down. Um boy, you know, uh sure, seems like
is going to be the worst year of everyone's life,
the worst year. I could I could agree more, but
I'll this degree. What do we agree with you completely?
What if we? What if we? What have we spitballing here?
What if we produced a weekly podcast through the entirety
(00:50):
of the election talking about the stuff people are leaving out,
going to places other people don't go to the conventions? Yeah,
avoiding mentioning, you know, because the president so much about
talking about policies, policies, important things people left behind, maybe
injecting methamphetamine into our butts and going to see pack.
(01:11):
What do we did that everything? Cory? You think we
should do that? I think we should do it on
the spot. Sure, okay, cool? You know what I what
I what I love doing, and what's super professional it's
holding holding pitch meetings like this at the start of
my show where the magic happens and we're actually legally
(01:36):
forbidden from talking, not on microphones to each other. This
is the only place we can have this. I've had
mine implanted, so which very cool move. Everything's check out
our other podcast just catching up with each other's friends.
We have to record. So my my nighttime sleeping snore
sounds has really taken off. I think the Cody and
(01:58):
I discuss our Sciatica episode. It's really it's really good. Yeah,
I've got some good stretches for you guys. Good. Yeah,
that's the title of another episode. Well we're doing that.
Is that our soft way of saying we're going to
do that. We're going to do a weekly podcast about
the election called the Worst Year every One's Life? Yeah,
(02:19):
get ready, guy, this is gonna happen. Check it out.
Check it out for not even particularly close to now,
but but like sometime we look forward to some time
in the Q three is maybe que for the Worst
year of Everybody's life with you. Hooray. That sounds great.
You know what else sounds great is I doubt are
(02:40):
the surely crippling. I was going to say, the surely
crippling addictions that we will inculcate covering this nightmare of
an election. Are they going to be worse than my
already existing addiction? They have to be. I've already checked
myself into rehab for December. Cool. Yeah, And I've already
(03:01):
started asking random guys under bridges if they have adderall.
So this is this is where fantastic we are at this.
Look at this team. You know what, and I've been
stockpiling Ben's a green in Hailer's. You just pop those
things out, drop them in your water, and that's that's
that's seventies speed right there, profession doing it right, Sophie,
(03:23):
You're gonna be some sort of hand signal. Oh, we
have a we have a show to do that people
tuned in wanting to hear more about the racists of
the border. I guess we could get the show. Fine. Fine.
Chris Simcox was the first person to tap effectively into
a very particular chunk of the American conservative consciousness. People
(03:46):
had tried to run volunteer border militias before, and there
had been militias for decades, but no one had managed
to make that sort of behavior go mainstream because all
the prior leaders of those sorts of movements had been
insane people, outright Nazis or insane outright not Chris Simcox
was a clean cut, all American looking guy. He helped
the militia movement go mainstream. Here's the Nation co wote,
(04:11):
thank you, Cody. As the Republican Party has fractured over immigration,
Simcox has become a hero of the build a Wall
to portum All faction of the GOP. Earlier this year,
he shed his camouflage fatigues for a suit and tie
as a featured panelist at the Conservative Political Action Conference
in Washington, d C. The nation's largest gathering of conservative
political activists, and increasing portion of his time has spent
(04:32):
at fundraisers and forums far away from the border. He
once sword a afend by any means necessary. Chris had
enough charisma to be able to effectively work a crowd.
That Nation article recounts a speech he gave during our
Republican Party fundraiser at Wild Bills, a nightclub in Atlanta.
I want you to remember, as I read this, that
had happened all the way back in two thousand and six,
(04:53):
the odor of pulled pork spread a mighty tang as
members of Georgians for Immigration Reduction hawked t shirts bearing
the image of a snarling bald above the slogan ill Eagles,
foul up my country. One fucking guests, how foul spell.
I desperately want one of those shirts. I will wear
it every day. That's what I'll wear to sea packs. Yeah,
(05:15):
the internet you have to wear that. Well, Oh my god,
I will wear it for the four days before seapack,
so it's like filthy and then we'll shoot math amphetamine
into our butts and the sea pack. It's going to
be amazing. I'm gonna have so many landyards by then,
so good. Alright, you can talk about I'm excited about
all the lanyards. The crowd warmed up for Simcox by
listening to The Right Brothers, a country rock duo builds.
(05:37):
Sean Hanney show put to me that's they're not They're billing.
That's what they want to be there. That's not a description.
I'm looking them up. I'm not even through the paragraph
and there's tears in my eyes. We're still talking about
(05:58):
the Right Brothers. One on Black sombrero with gold tessels
have dedicated a song called the Illegals to Chris Simcox.
The not so catchy chorus tell me why do we
allow the illegals? After all, they're illegal? So why do
we allow the illegals to keep on coming? In? Ryan
Illegal with illegal? That's so bad? Oh my gosh, what insane.
(06:26):
That's so perfect, because like it's it's so bad in
so many ways because like obviously the message is like, well,
that's not good. That's Sean Hannity's show. But then like
rhyming illegal fielding over. It's so inelegance, Like, oh yeah,
the other aspect of Sean Hannity. Yeah, he's really dominated
that inelegant. Incredible, amazing. As the music faded, Simcocks strolled
(06:51):
onto stage to raucous cheers. America's top vigilante spoke slowly
and with a hint of condescension, almost as if addressing
a room full of five year olds. When you put
blend lawnchairs on the border, an amazing thing happens. Simcox said,
no one comes across. As he spoke, giant screens behind
him displayed ghostly night vision images of immigrants marching through
the desert water jugs piled beneath a mesquite tree and
(07:12):
the decomposing corpses of desert crossers. What what the fudge?
It sounds like he's a cool guy. Cool dude, it
sounds like he is a guy. Yeah. You see all
those videos of like migrants a crossing the border and
they the border patrol and they're dying, empt dehydrated, and
(07:36):
then you see the border patrol agents take jugs of
water and pour them out in front of the sounds
like something nice people do, cool people. Okayeh, I just
want to I just want to make sure Okay, yeah,
I mean that we we we should at some point
do an episode on the terrible things the border patrol
is spect like, they're just there's there's a lot to
(07:57):
talk about. With the individually focus, they just head on
a swive. Christ Jesus Christ. Now it was the early
odds rolled along. Chris Simcox became more controversial within his group.
Many accused him of taking donations to finance his own lifestyle.
Here in the nickname the Little Prince, for allegedly being
(08:18):
a complete prick and control freak, for being a little
French boy at a little a little lord yeah, nice,
not necessarily. Actually, it's for a mediocre We'll make a
T shirt out of it. Yeah, but I'm not going
(08:39):
to throw the bagels over that. I understand, which right
now since I mentioned them. I don't know if you've
heard of czech Ov's gun, but yeah, m hm uh yeah.
As a result, the miniment splintered more and more. This
was not entirely a bad thing. More than fifty different
groups eventually formed all around the US, and for years
(09:00):
they held regular border patrolling events. Most of these were
on the US Mexico border, but Chris's Minuteman chapter did
send a few guys up to the Canadian border to
sit in lawn chairs and watch for dastardly Canadian infiltrators.
I think the only people they caught were Americans trying
to sneak into Canada. At its peak, the Minutement Project
had more than twelve thousand members, and that was just
(09:21):
in the main official group. Gil Kristen Simcox remained the
primary faces of the movement, but starting in two thousand six,
they began to share the stage with someone else, a
forty one year old woman named Shawna Ford. Y'all heard
of SHAWNA. Ford. You're talking about to she Afford or
just person for no, no, no, she's not at all
related to the motor Company's spelled different too. There's an
(09:42):
e at the end. Ford's first operation was actually one
of the watches in the U. S. Canada border, which
was close to her home at the time, Bellingham, Washington.
After the watch, she wound up at a party at
the home of Bob Damron, the Washington State Minuteman leader.
While everyone was eating dinner, she was caught alone in
the Damron's bedroom looking through a dresser for pain pills.
She was kicked out of the house, but allowed to
(10:02):
remain in the group. This is because Seanna was kind
of a superstar minuteman or woman or whatever whatever term
you want to use. A minute person. She showed up
at every event, and she was the kind of person
who just sort of dominated any conversations she was in
in such a way that within a few weeks she'd
become one of the most prominent members of the group.
She was especially active on the minutement email list the line.
(10:24):
According to The Herald, a local Washingtonian news source, quote
in length the August six emails, she described being attacked
by a group of men she said they were Mexicans
outside of a Seattle Starbucks. The men were enraged after
seeing signs against immigration piled inside her car. Ford wrote
about finding herself face to face with a pair of
dark brown eyes filled with pure hate. One man, she wrote,
(10:44):
wanted to rape me or kill me, probably both. Just
before the confrontation got physical, though, Ford said she was
saved by a group of US Army soldiers in uniform
who happened to be in the area. Could everybody clap?
I'm sure they all clapped, I'll say, in a little
bit of defense to her, I have seen a of U. S.
Army soldiers in full uniform in well U. S. Navy
in Seattle during Fleetwheek. But they were all so drunk
(11:06):
they couldn't stay and trying to funk everything that moved
as Marines and maybe personnel do so she maybe like
got her signals crossed and like misinterpreted what they were
showing up for. Yeah, yeah, I mean this is all
I Yeah, I mean I feel like yeah, because I'm
gonna guess like Seattle's racial makeup being it what it
is like any group of Hispanics, and that like city
(11:30):
are probably like members of the U. S. Military. As
you were saying that, I was like, I bet someone
with brown eyes. One person saw her sign was like
hey man, that's not cool and was shouting about it
as someone was like, that's your bad person. And then
a bunch of horny sailors came up and was like,
anybody here you know that's that's the grain of truth
(11:52):
I got from that. Yeah, is literally anything bothering you
right now? I know what I'll make you feel better
because I'm drunk. Is fucking it's fleet week. It's a
fun time. Oh, it's time for ads also for the Navy.
That was the Sean Hannity of transitions. Anyway, it's adds
(12:14):
time join the Navy. Get drunk in Seattle. We're back.
We were just we were just talking off off Mike
about cool political ideals we have u that you could
hear about on the hypothetical podcast that's definitely coming if
(12:35):
we if we definitely probably are gonna for sure do that. Yeah,
well we'll definitely most likely absolutely be talking about what
we just talked about, and you guys can tune in
that that it wasn't recorded. It was weird that it
wasn't recorded. Let's talk about Sean A Ford some more. Yeah, Um,
(12:55):
Seanna became quickly the minutments de facto spokeswoman, regularly talking
to rest on behalf of the organization. This did not
go over super well with all of the actual leadership
of the group, who felt that Shannon was basically just
shouting her way into power. Gil Christ Simcox and the
organization's other leadership got together and voted to fire her.
Bob Damron was instructed to actually do the deed in
November of two thousand six, after she finished participating in
(13:17):
a local television town council discussion on illegal immigration. D'amaron
later recalled I told her I was told to fire her.
I also told her I couldn't do it. Shaken Ford
drove home, or she tried to, but she rammed a
guardrail in her Honda Civic and was taken to the
hospital with minor injuries. This much we can confirm the
Washington State Patrols that she crashed when a truck which
(13:37):
was obeying all the rules of the road, pulled in
front of her. The state patrol seems to put the
blame on her for driving like a ship heead, but
in Ford's recitation of events, the truck drivers ran her
off the road, and of course they were Mexican. Yeah,
she's she's, yeah, I can't take responsibility for themselves. It's cool,
especially when they become part of a heavily armed militia.
(13:59):
That's the best thing. Those the best kinds of responsible people.
She trying to end it all. I don't know. I
think she was trying to have a minor car accident
so she could claim Mexicans were trying to murder her.
Those drivers were Mexican. He did not none at all. Yeah. Yeah.
Driving forty or fifty thousand miles a year as I do,
(14:21):
especially up in the Pacific Northwest, I don't see a
lot of truck drivers who aren't old white dudes. But
she seems to run into them. All. Yeah, she does
seem to run into the mall. This attempt on her
life was enough to delay Forwards firing in January. To
them seven, she took the opportunity to approach Chris Simcox directly.
She told him that her States Mintment Group leaders were
shitty and disorganized. She said she could do better when
(14:43):
she had a whole plan laid out for how to
fix things. Simcox promoted her to a state level leadership position.
Seana took to leadership like a dog takes to a
fahita that fell on the floor. She quickly came up
with new stories of assassination attempts against her, including the
claim that she had been shot in the arm during
another attack by dastardly villains of vaguely Hispan origin. She
told anyone who listened that she fully expected to die
(15:03):
for the cause. All this impressed Jim Gilchrist. In early
two thousand and eight, he made her the Minuteman Projects
Border Patrol coordinator. She moved to Arizona and started her
own independent men and man group called Minutemen Against American Defense.
When she was kicked out of the original Minuteman group
shortly after moving down to Arizona for being a crazy person,
gil Chris sent her volunteers though, calling her one tough lady,
(15:24):
and soon she had around twenty armed volunteers at her
beck and call in her own personal little minute man Militia.
Ford began to claim that she'd started an undercover operation
to infiltrate drug dealers on the border. Gil Chris started
to worry that she was going to get murdered, which
seems to have been her goal. Throughout two thousand eight,
Shanna Ford took to calling Kathy Dameron, Bob's wife at
all hours of the day and night, claiming that her
(15:45):
life was in danger and shadowy figures were hunting her.
Shanna would regularly cut the call suddenly just to make
things seem even scarier. I'm gonna say real quick, she
seems like a toxic friend that you don't want to
have in your life, a real energy dream. I think
people would be well served to just cut that tie
on anyway, some meatorializing. In November two eight, Ford emailed
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Kathy photos of drugs and money she claimed to have
found at an Arizona stash house. Photo solidified her reputation
to other minutemen Shanna Ford was out there fighting the
real war on the border. This image was buoyed when
her ex husband was shot by an intruder in their Everett,
Arizona home that December. The case is still unsolved, and
the next week Shanna went to the police and claimed
that a Latino gang had raped her. That case was
(16:27):
eventually dropped due to a lack of evidence. In January,
Ford called Kathy and in mid call, claimed to have
suddenly been shot. Kathy did not hear any gunfire over
the line. Why is somebody gun violence and so much
fake gun? What happened to her husband? We don't Yeah, yeah,
he's fine, he's fine. Did she shoot her husband? I
(16:50):
don't know. He shot himself? Seems like something like she
shot her husband, and I mean home invasions do happen,
but like, yeah, just given everything else, seems like it
might have been literally everything else up exactly. Yeah. So
that phone call, which was super sketchy, and the fact
that Shanna stole Cathy's pain pills whenever she visited and
made the Dammaron slowly stopped trusting her. Cameron sounds like
(17:12):
a pill to take. I mean, demeroll is fucking awesome.
Um here's how Cathy relates Shanna reacting when she got
caught pill handed. She said, I've been busted, haven't I?
I said, yes, you have. She said, I'm sorry, Mom.
I said not good enough, So mom, Yeah, I think
that was like her nickname or she was being a
(17:33):
kid disturbed by this relationship. You're about to be disturbed her.
In February two thousand, eight, Harold published an article revealing
that Shanna had a history of childhood felonies. They went
to Jim Gilchristopher comment. His initial response was actually pretty reasonable,
saying he respected her for turning her life around, and
then he said this, She is no winer. She is
a stoic struggler who has chosen to put country, community
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and yearning for a civilized society ahead of avarice and
self glorifying ego. In two thousand nine, stoic struggler Shauna
Ford cooked up a plan. She had identified someone she
believed to be a drug dealer in Aravaca, a small
border town. Shanna reasoned that this monster was getting drugs
from Mexico. If she robbed him and took his drugs
and money, she could use them to fund the expansion
(18:16):
of her border militia Solid galaxy brain plan. Right, and
the drugs because she ran out of her friend's pills. Yeah,
you know, he stops drug dealers rubbing them. That's the
one thing that I'm out we've all seen breaking bad.
In mid May, Shanna traveled to Colorado to recruit to
(18:38):
recruit a few good men to help her carry out
this scheme. Here's how Tucson dot com describes what happened next.
At that meeting, in a truck stop near Denver, Ford
drew a map. It wasn't specific, pointing to an individual house,
but it gave a generic impression of the area. She
meant to hit Ron Wido and Robert Copley, two of
them and she was recruiting. Kept the map and handed
it over to Chris Anderson, an FBI agent in Colorado,
(18:59):
for whom they were at his informants. This is where
the bureaucratic problems happened. Anderson said he passed the information
to the FBI in Phoenix. The FBI in Phoenix apparently
did nothing. Eventually, it even destroyed the map. On two
thousand nine, Shawna Ford and two of her militiamen showed
up after midnight at the home of Raoul Flora's Gina Gonzalez,
and their nine year old daughter, Brassenia. Shawna and her
(19:21):
men posed as border patrol officers. They accused Flora's of
harboring the legal immigrants and told him his house was surrounded.
Flora's let them in, thinking there were cops. Shanna believed
that Raul was a drug dealer, so she started combing
his home for drugs in cash. There was only one problem,
Raoul was not a drug smuggler. His house had nothing
valuable in it, so Shauna and her men stole Jina's jewelry.
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Then they executed Raoul Flora's with a gun shot to
the chest. They shot his wife next three times, and
while she begged for her life, they blew nine year
old Brassenia's head off. Now, Gina survived the gun shots
and played dead until Shauna and her men left. Then
she got up, called nine one one and grabbed her
husband's shotgun. For some reason, Wanna and her people re entered,
probably planning to search another part of the house for drugs.
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Gina opened fire, wounding one of the gunmen and causing
them all to run like the gutless ship stains. They
were cool. Wow that really Yeah, Yeah, it's the it's
I mean, it's the only logical extent of what these
people are doing. Oh we didn't find we need I'm
gonna kill you. Yeah. The big bar in our Avoca,
(20:24):
like the center of this little town, like has signs
that like specifically saying no militia, like no border patrol
like fake people are allowed in the bar, like we
we we don't want any of this fucking bullshit anymore.
For all the stuff we talked about, theological progression, and
it's like the people they claim to be protecting who
live on the border and actually despise all the people
(20:44):
doing this because they just bring trouble and they're undisciplined,
violent nuts. Yeah, Shanna and her compatriots were all convicted
of murder. Shauna was sentenced to death in two thousand eleven.
Gina also sued the FBI for having clear evidence that
Shauna Ford planned to violently attack people and doing nothing
with it. The ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals ruled
that she had no grounds to sue for this. According
(21:05):
to Tucson dot Com, the argument that really stuck was
that under the Federal Tort Claims Act, the federal government
can't be sued over the exercise or performance or failure
to exercise or perform a discretionary function or duty. The
decision of whether or not to notify local law enforcement
was a discretionary act, she said in her decision. They're
not required to let law enforcement know that someone's planning
(21:26):
a violent break in of a house. Are they can
be policy? Yes, that sounds like a terrible policy if
they were allowed to do this, What if they were
required to tell local law enforcement? When enough with the
militia is talking about attacking people's homes and drawing maps
well of where she plans to hit. I don't have
the names of these the current militia situation going on
(21:48):
the names of people. So I'm talking generally. But the
leader will get to that. We'll get to that. Okay,
I'll save it then, but it ties in with this. Sorry,
that's okay, okay. So in two thousand ten, the year
before Shauna's trial, Chris Simcox ran for Senate. He's a
little picture, Chris Simcox, Get the funk out of here,
(22:09):
Chris Simcox. I trust that guy, You trust him? Yeah.
He was attacked from the right for his seemingly moderate
views on illegal immigrants. Chris had started to support adding
a new pathways for citizenship to make immigration easier for
people fleeing desperate circumstances, with whom he claimed to sympathize.
He was also attacked for the m c d c's
financial irregularities, chief among them the fact that hundreds of
(22:32):
thousands of dollars, maybe millions of dollars had probably been
funneled directly into his pocket in spite of the fact
that he officially drew no salary. Weirdly, what wasn't a
huge issue was that, as early as two thousand five,
the Southern Poverty Law Center had reported that Simcox's first
ex wife had accused him of trying to sexually molest
their fourteen year old daughter. Not long after that, his
second ex wife accused him a violent abusive behavior. She
(22:54):
testified in court that he once took a knife from
the kitchen and threatened to kill himself. When he was angry,
he broke furniture. Carwin does, he banged his head against
the wall repeatedly and punched things. Simcox repeatedly vehemently denied
all allegations. He continued to do so right up until
the moment. In June of two thousand and thirteen, he
was arrested on multiple counts of molesting and raping several
of his own daughters. Here's the Phoenix New Times quote.
(23:16):
Two of the daughters who took the stand are under
the age of ten. Both of his children with ex
wife Elina Simcox. One of them alleges sexual abuse. The
third daughter is an adult, his child from her previous marriage,
who alleges that Simcox molested her on three separate occasions
when she was young. I'm so angry, cool dude, Chris
Simcos patriot. Yep, this is a part. I don't know.
(23:39):
I don't know what to say. Yeah, it's so gross. Yeah,
I'm not going to go into detail about what Chris did,
other than to say that this border patrol and clean
shaven conservative patriot repeatedly sexually assaulted his own daughters, and
two dozen sixteen, he was sentenced to nineteen and a
half years in prison, should have been forty, with shaann
A convicted of murder and Chris convicted of serrid child molestation.
(24:01):
Jim Kilchris was left at the as the only Minuteman
leader not in prison for committing numerous horrific crimes, and
he's still active. A two thousand sixteen Vice article caught
up with gil Christ. He told him he takes credit
for the conservative obsession with border control that metastasized into
the presidency of Donald Trump and his wall. Jim also
resurrected the Minutemen back in two thousand and fourteen after
his co founder was arrested for being a pedophile. So
(24:22):
the Minute Men are still a presence in American political discourse.
That said, time has largely moved past them. And we're
going to talk about what time has moved on towards.
But first we're going to talk about products services. And
you know what, I forgot to do this, but I'm gonna.
I'm gonna. I'm gonna act on my anger over the
(24:44):
crimes of Chris and Talks and SHAWNA. Ford by tossing
the bagel. Good on you for moving those greats. And
I'm not even gonna look at where I tossed it,
so this could be real bad. No, they just came
right back, almost perfect. That was a blind throw. Proud
of me, Sophie. So if he's out of me, you
know what else is proud of me? The sponsors of
this show Products. We're back. We're having a conversation. Then
(25:14):
I interrupted it by saying we're back, and act of
cruelty to our our our engineer Daniel, who's done nothing
but be helpful to me, and bash Taylor Swift and
bash Taylor Swift. Um, So I have these bagels and
I've been tossing them. We have these soundboards on the
wall that that act to bounce sound around Somehow, I
don't understand what they're for. I've been tossing them mostly,
(25:36):
which is why it's been bouncing back. To me, it
makes sense. But we also have on the end of
this recording studio, for reasons that are inexplicable to me,
a glass door leading out to a porch, which is
not standard in most recording studios. I'm gonna try chucking
them as hard as I can at the glass door,
just to see what happens. No, it's happening. So satisfying sound.
(25:58):
That was a good sound. This is gonna be great
on the podcast. Content him around here. He can do
what he wants. Yes, the people who built that like
sound proof that porch sealed it with toxic chemicals and
(26:20):
didn't let it off. One thing we're not allowed to
do is throw bagels at that door. The door to
the like walled off porch in our recording studio is
filled with poison. This is such a great studio. Yeah,
it keeps on your toes. The problem I might throw
(26:41):
him again, Yeah, what do you might? Well, you know,
Anderson fear is the mind killer, the little death that
causes me to throw bagels. I think that's how it was. Yeah,
that's the it was from doing right. Yeah, so it
goes a big bagel fan frank herbet Okay, so bagel
hard right, Yes, we'll keep onto the so. As I said,
(27:06):
time has moved past the minutement, but their influence echoes
and much of what's going on right now at the border.
In May of two thousand eighteen, Michael Meyer, founder of
a militia called Veterans on Patrol, posted a video of
himself walking through a homeless encampment in Tucson. Like Chris Simcox,
Michael gave the government an ultimatum they had until noon
tomorrow to investigate the site. According to BuzzFeed quote, He
(27:29):
then turned the camera around towards a tree with straps
attached to it, declaring this is a rape tree. Meyer
painted a grim picture. The straps on the tree were
not used to secure parts of a makeshift homeless encampment. Instead,
there were restraints for holding children in place where they
were sexually abused by cartel members. He claimed the space
dug into the ground was in fact a prison cell
for the children, and various other items of trash and
(27:50):
debris at the site proved to Meyer that six ship
had been going on there. This is a child sex
trafficking camp that no one wants to talk about, that
no one wants to do anything about. Said, what is
tha get his information into? Where it gets his information?
The video quickly racked up hundreds of thousands of views,
and Myer's claims were even repeated by a number of
local news stations, and for Wars and other similar conspiracy
(28:12):
outlets were happy to run with the tail, and it
quickly got woven into the broader Pizza gate Q and
on family of conspiracies. But the idea of rape trees
did not start with Meyer. Here's a video child murderer SHAWNA.
Ford posted in two thousand nine. Yeah, Sean Fox, there's
a coyote who uses this very specific trail. This is
(28:33):
his territory. He brings his people through here and they'll
pick out who they want out of the group. They'll
bring him to a separate location. They will rape them.
They will rip their underwear off and take their braws off.
They make them leave them behind, and then they throw
them on trees. That's a trophy. Women do not leave
their garments laying around. Most women, Come on, girls, we
all know that we tuck them and put them away somewhere,
(28:54):
and we're not just going to throw them out. It
doesn't matter if you're out in the middle the wilderness
or not. Women tend to be very more us with
their undergarments. So what a traditional lay up side is
is backpacks, clothing changes, just all kinds of items here.
No backpacks, no male items, nothing, that's a traditional layup.
(29:16):
So this is a genuine rape tree in a genuine
rape spot. Are rape trees historically a thing? I mean
outside of a true detective Season one. Her evidence is
that women tend to be modest. That's your evidence. That's
their child and disciple of a pedophile. I take my
(29:38):
bra off and leave it places whenever I can. Unbelievable,
these weirdos, I think, I think the word you're looking
for a psychopath. These people, there's such a bizarre cross
section of the like obsession with like there's like a
kids sex cult going on. Also there's them grant thing,
(30:00):
but also it's like a kid's sex and also also
the government is in on it. And I'm gonna molest
my own kids, a child. People, but like these people,
the people, it's sick, cults of sex. Shad, who ordered
the execution style murder of a nine year old, worried
about rape trees. According to Harrold Shapira, author of a
(30:23):
book about vigilante border patrols, quote for the minutement, the
rape trees are a powerful symbol of the Mexican males
immorality and simultaneously imbute their own actions with valor. By
patrolling the border, the volunteers are not just defending America
but women, and not just American women, but all women,
even the ones who are illegal until they shoot him
in until they until they try to execute them. But
(30:44):
because she's a badass, she finds them off with a shotgun,
which is it's terrible, it's and it's the worst thing
that can possibly have. And then they can't even do
the suit that she tried to bring. No to her sorry,
unbelievably infuriating and terrible. In October of two thousand seventeen,
the FBI Public Access Line received reports of militia activity
(31:06):
in Flora Vista, New Mexico. According to a government complaint,
which I initially found shared by activist Emily Gortchynsky on
Twitter quote. In October two seventeen, the FBI Public Access
line PAL received reports of alleged militia extremist activity in
Flora Vista, New Mexico. Information was conveyed relating to a
group that called itself the United Constitutional Patriots, located at
(31:26):
Lakeside Ranch Trailer Park in Floravista, New Mexico. The United
Constitutional Patriots was led by their so called commander, Larry Hopkins,
who also went by the alias of Johnny Horton Jr.
Information was also conveyed that the group had its base
at Hopkins's residence, was supported by approximately twenty members, and
was armed with a K forty seven rifles and other firearms.
Witnesses reported seeing members of the United Constitutional Patriots bearing
(31:47):
firearms at Hopkins's residence. Hopskins also allegedly made the statement
that the United Constitutional Patriots were training to assassinate George Soros,
Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama because of these individual support
of Antifa cool This story kills me when you find
evidence that a convicted felony lives in a house with
(32:11):
multiple firearms. Convicted felon that impersonated Yeah, just like the
people who murdered that nine year old and an innocent man.
Um when you when you hear about that these people
illegally have guns and are planning to murder a former president,
a former secretary of state, a random private person, and
presumably some ANTIFA people. What what would you what would
(32:32):
you guess law enforcement would do? I think in this situation,
they'd walk away for a couple of years or a
year and a half of some change, and then come
back last week and arrest him because they posted some
videos online and everybody got upset. Yeah, kind of like
how they threw away that map to where Shauna Ford
was turned to rob and murder people. Yeah, yeah, that's
(32:55):
exactly what happened. The FBI just kind of moved on
with their lives and forgot about it, and believe left
left this ellen with weapons and stuff. But it comes
back to this thing. So the FBI doesn't necessarily have
to report this to law enforcements at their discretion. It's
at their discretion. But this was okay because something that
I've read is like he was like, no, no, these guns,
they all belonged to my common law wife. Yeah, he
(33:15):
did say that, So that's okay, thats okay, then let's
make that law. You just can't have guns in the house. Yeah,
if you're a convicted felon who pretends to be a
police officer. And they saw the videos were getting traction. Yeah. Yeah.
Almost two years later, in April of two nineteen, pictures
and video went viral of the group of heavily armed
(33:35):
American militiamen with a R fifteen's body armor and skull
print balaclava's stopping a group of two hundred migrants at
the border and holding them until police arrived. These men
were part of United Constitutional Patriots. Their leader was Larry Hopkins.
Hopkins claimed that they had attained fifty sid people in
the last two months. The video of their arrests went viral,
and it seems to have finally prompted the FBI to
do something about Larry Hopkins and his illegal guns. They
(33:57):
arrested him a few days later after the video went viral.
This is his mug shot and it's look at that beautiful.
It's quite quite the mug shot. That's talked about it
briefly on the podcast this week, and I just didn't
know how to describe it. He looks like a convicted
felon who would probably murder and rape people. He's like
(34:19):
sort of like washed up country singer, looks like he's
got a grocery store in Yeah, Okay, that's a really
good coach. He looks like, yeah, that's exactly right. But
his eyes will never open for more than that ever. Again. No,
he looks like who you would cast if you needed
someone to play a drunk seventy year old Elvis. Yeah. Yeah,
(34:46):
and they chose the nicest picture. They chose a good one.
Yeah for the press phone. So Larry is at least
behind bars for a little while, But less than a
week before the recording of this episode, something else happened
behind the bar stars. Thank you. Russell Pierce, a former
member of the Arizona State Senate, spoke at a Patriotism
over Socialism rally and Gilbert Arizona. He shared the stage
(35:07):
with Laura Lumer and spoke about the border crisis, noting
that it may take the shedding of blood to keep
this republic, and I, for one, am willing to do
whatever it takes. In their coverage of his remarks, Fox
News noted it was not clear what Pierce now an
employee at the Maricopa County Treasurer was speaking about, was
it not. I think I may have an idea. He's
(35:28):
talking about doing what Shanna Ford did on the bottom
of the do An episode on her. No, she doesn't
deserve it. It doesn't deserve it, deserve it. I mean,
Simcosh definitely is a bastard, so Shauna Ford. So I
said this before he started recording. But I do appreciate
(35:50):
a female bastard because, like I said before the recording,
that you guys weren't here for. I do think it's
sex as our knee jerk reaction, like or our thought
that like, oh, women are are better than men. No,
women can suck, women can suck to women can suck balls.
They can. I mean that's not bad or not necessarily,
(36:12):
that's a neutral. Sometimes I was using it in a
way that has nothing to do with sex. Yeah, I
was not. Yeah, I see that. I can't look at
one pump points right there right in front of you, bagels. Yeah,
oh oh, I get it now. I thought it was
purely about coffee, mate. I can't see why you think that.
(36:34):
I get it. Um, you probably have to cut this
out one stroke, one come I get it out. No,
we can say come on the show. I mean, I'm
hoping to get onto Cometown. I still don't know what
Cometown is. Never good, great title and the come boys.
That's funny. That makes me giggle. I don't know what
it is. Don't plan to listen. I don't need to
know what I do plan to do. Toss these bagels
(36:55):
one last time? Now where not Sophie, But where do
the people who aren't Sophie want me to toss this
that I haven't yet Sophie, Sophie, No, I'm not. Oh
the roof. That's a good idea, because anything can happen roof.
There's there's drinks, there's computers. Oh, this is good. Glass.
(37:18):
It was good. They fell behind me. I was hoping
it was going to do some damage. But the next
person that walks on that glass ceiling. There is a
glass ceiling. There's class ceiling, and it freaks. There's a
glass ceiling up of the poison room recording studio. This
is where I want to be when the big one hits,
(37:41):
right right between the glass ceiling and the poison room. Yeah.
I can't believe all of that's true. And none of
it's a joke. You're going to need to tweet some
pictures of all of these places. People understand what we're
talking about. The room just don't open it, don't that?
(38:02):
So you guys want to plug your plug doubles. Yeah,
we got a podcast called even More News. You got
a past um and my name's Katie Stole on Twitter
and in life Cody take it Away videos series on
YouTube called some More News and that Twitter account is
some More News. And my Twitter account is dr Mr Cody.
(38:24):
That's d r M, I sdr c and I forget
my name. But this podcast has a Twitter and an
Instagram at Bastards Pod. It has a website behind the
Bastards dot Com. I don't think there's anything else to plug.
Sophie's not saying I should plug anything else. Well, there's
this this show that we're nil is gesturing to his shirt.
(38:45):
You can buy Daniel shirt if you find him on Twitter. Um,
he'll sell anything, any anything. You can also buy shirts
on t public dot com buying the Bastards. Is there
anything else? Uh? Sophie is a dog named Anderson. You
probably cannot buy um. Yeah, but you could. You could
approach her about buying the dog if you approach this
(39:07):
on Twitter, because she runs the Twitter, because I am
not allowed to run the Twitter and should under no
circumstances that we don't need you being tweeted hey can
I buy that dog? And you're saying yes, yes, Well
that's the episode. Go what what are you? What are
(39:27):
you looking at? What's it could happen here? What could
happen here? Oh? I have a podcast. I have a
podcast and a dream of exasperating Sophie by pretending I'm
not going to mention it to make her frustrated because
I'm just a piece of ship. It's working, Cody's enjoying it.
(39:48):
That's the audience I play for here, all right, play
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