November 27, 2018 • 44 mins
An update on Paul Manafort with comedian Jamie Loftus (The Bechdel Cast).
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello everybody. I'm Robert Evanson. This is once again Behind
the Bastards, the show where we tell you everything you
don't know about the very worst people in all of history.
And this week today I should say, we have a
special bonus episode with our special bonus guest, Jamie Loftus bonus.
That's better than normal. It's good. If I was just like,
this is just our boring as run of the mill guests,
(00:24):
they're like, oh we got this too, Yeah, all right,
this is a surprise. This is like on Tuesday we
gave our audience like a sandwich, and today ice cream Sunday. Okay,
I was gonna say, not a bad surprise, not like
a flash mob or anything. No, no, no, like one
of the ice cream Sundays they order on Star Trek
that are gigantic and larger than any human being whatever
(00:44):
actually eat, because oh yeah, people are always ordering ice
cream Sundays on Star Trek. Should watch that program. It's
got a lot of ice cream really, like pornographically large
ice cream sun more ice cream based media. So, Jamie,
how are you doing today? I'm good. Thanks for having
me back, Thanks for coming back. Now, regular listeners will
not that Jamie was with us on our very first
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episode where we talked about Saddam Hussein's romantic novels which
we still have, which we still have, just need to
get it translated. Yeah, we've got a new romantic novel
from Saddam. Oh okay, that is his third novel, but
the one that hasn't been translated that we're prolific. Yeah,
we're going to crack the code and do some stage readings.
We have to translate it from Japanese, the only language
it's been published and since he was hung But any
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listeners feel like translating an entire book, like a hundred
and twenty thousand words. But to be fair, we hear
they're pretty good. We're here, it's pretty good. It's supposed
to be Saddam's Game of Thrones. Yeah, toward it forthcoming.
But today we are talking about Paul Manafort. But before
we do that, I should introduce what you do, Jamie.
You have a podcast, the Bectel Cast. I do on
this on this very hate slits What's Up network? That
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that is what we call our network. It's located on
the New York Stock Exchange is just sluts. But need
to I know and they're like, oh wow, slut stock
is up and they're not wrong. Uh yeah Bechtel cast
comedian writer. That's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Well today, Jamie,
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you know who we're talking about because you just listened
to the first two parts we've done on Paul Manafort.
Really listened, big fans. In fact, that's very sweet. I
heard you do an ad about belts. I'm actually wearing
the belt that we advertise right now. Wow. I just
spent nine on belts. You has sold me on the belt.
That's a nice belt. You ordered a lot of belts.
I got a lot of belts. That's too many belts
(02:35):
from the belt And I'm like, paumana for I don't
know how much things cost. Well, we'll be talking about
Paul Manafort's taste in clothing and uh and what he
spends on clothing, and we'll also be talking about some
some really painfully personal text messages between his daughters. Did
you search the data? Oh yeah, yeah, We're going to
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be right on the edge of good taste with this. Yeah,
everybody's id. So when we last left our dear friend
Paul Manaford his trial for massive financial fraud and failing
to register as a foreign agent was about to begin.
In the weeks since that episode, Paul Manafort has been
convicted and rolled as far as a man can roll,
and signed a plea agreement with the Mueller or Mueller investigation.
(03:17):
That's fun. Kind of angry at him for having a
name that makes me want to say Mueller when Muller.
I know he chose. I mean, at some point the
less fun pronunciation was canonical. I imagine that he has
this last name because for generations back in the old Country,
his family just mulled wine, put like spices and hot wine.
(03:37):
I always wonder, I'm like, what did my family and
my family ever done anything? They lofted, they what they
had lofts. They were built lots my guests. Therefore they
weren't living in them. There probably making them that. Or
they were aircraft pioneers. Oh that would be kind of nice. Yeah,
they were Italian aircraft pioneers and it was the aloft
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is faan late and then they came here in Ellis Island.
They were like, no, we're taking the a off now
and then we're now we're going to build lofts for
other people. And now you make that clat tail as
oldest time, and now I do that today. And Paul
Manaforts ancestors manned forts, kind of true, kind of kind
of true, kind of true, true enough, journey with you,
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everyone's last name, the secret to their their ancestry. My
relatives lived in vans. There you go, we go so
um like digital vans. Yes, even Yeah, I enjoyed that. Yeah,
it was a fun little digression. So this moment, we
don't know how long exactly Paul Manaforts going to spend
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in prison. I think next Februaries when he gets sentenced.
The max from the plea deal he signed is a decade,
but it will probably be somewhat less than that. However,
since Paul is already sixty nine, even a five years
switch pretty sick. Even a five year sentence is good
chance of being a life sentence for him. The odds
of Paul Manafort dying in prison seemed to have raised recently,
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based on an appearance he made in court on Friday,
October nine. Is this the wheelchair thing? This is the
wheelchair thing? Yeah? Okay. Paul was wheeled into court in
a wheelchair and looking very sick. His lawyer says that
he has significant health issues related to the terms of
his confinement. He had like his one leg elevated and
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like a sock on instead of his shoes so much,
so much it reminded me of when Robert Durst when
the court wearing a neck brace and was like, I
couldn't have done it. I was on meth. That was
what Manaford took it to an eleven. He's like, if
Robert Durst had no personality, Yeah, nobody wanted to hang
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out with Robert Durst, which everyone unfortunately does. I mean,
who wouldn't. He's so cool, super cool. I used to
make calendars of my fan art of him. I know
that that's not joke, which takes it a step too far,
and I stopped doing it. Well, you know, when you
realize you can step too far, what are your options?
You step backwards, or you step even further, or you
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make posters, Yeah, you make posters that you change your
name anyway. Paul Manaford, Yeah, basically it seems like he's
claiming he has gout and that's what he has to
be in a wheelchair in his leg. That rich Man's
the rich man rich Man leg. Yeah, rich eating too
much sugar. I don't know, either gout or diabetes would
be possible causes of something like that, or he might
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just be lying to try and get, you know, out
of being in prison for longer. Does he have a
history of history of Paul Manaford? Does he has he
ever lied before? I don't know. I don't know if
we have any evidence of him being manipulative. I mean,
we have no evidence that killed anyone. No, we don't know.
I accepted in self defence and self defense and that
time he admitted it in the bathroom, and that with
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Paul Manaford. Of course, we have the text messages his
daughter sent and talking about the things their dad told them.
The daughters are so chaotic evil. It's amazing how almost
no criminals at that level of crime can avoid admitting
what they've done. Like, you don't run into a lot
of like crack dealers who in interviews with people are like, yep,
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I sell crack, right. I don't know. If you're doing crimes,
don't brag about it. Don't brag about the crimes while
you're committing them in public. It's pretty wild. Don't tell
your daughters who text on unsecured cell phones about the
crimes you're committing for a dictator. These are lessons that
nobody should actually learn, because then these people wouldn't get caught.
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But yeah, that's true. Yea. So Paul Manafort is apparently
very sick and on death's door. According to Paul Manafort,
have to be released, Let me out of prison. Police.
The prosecution does still have the option to waive a
lot of his convictions if he helps them out enough.
So right now, the ten things that he wasn't convicted
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for when he got his original intense they've said, we're
not going to try you again on these things, but
we could try him again if he doesn't wind up
giving the prosecution very much. So is the deadline for
that when his trial begins or is that just indefinite.
I think it's like by February or something, if they're
going to triumph with no It seems like there is
a ticking clock. We're going to see what else they
get from him. But yeah, it's possible he'll be dismissed
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and won't spend much more time in prison. It's possible
he will die there. I do want to draw your attention,
Jamie to one last line from a CNN article that
I read that was sort of introducing the fact that
he'd come to court in a wheelchair. Quote. Manafort's wife
was not in the courtroom on Friday. She previously attended
most of his hearings in the entirety of his Virginia trial.
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Why might that be? I don't I don't know. Was
it perhaps that he was serially philandering on her and
probably wasn't actually sick? Now, his rampant cheating may have
had something to do with the fact that she wasn't there,
although she knew about Everyone knew about his rampant cheating
when she was there for his Virginia trial. Um. But
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some more information about Paul Manafford's love life has cropped
up since the last time we discussed him. Do you
wanna take a guess at what else he did? Dish?
Do you do some freaky ship that wasn't legal? Well,
the legality is in question, but it seems like he
repeatedly forced his wife to have group sex with anonymous men,
despite her horror at the idea and complete disinclination to
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do so. That is absolutely horrible. Now, that's just according
to his daughters. There the most possible reli Okay, Okay,
so when was this happening. Well, this was apparently was
happening for years, but the text message conversations his daughters
found out in late two thousand fourteen. So then why
has his wife decided to just be like angry enough
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to not come to court about that? Now, It's interesting.
Part of me would guess that maybe it's you know,
with abusive relationships, oftentimes people feel sort of still attached
to that person until they get enough distance to realize,
oh my god, that was fucked up, or get like
enough information of like know this person was doing all
this stuff and then some you got to get to
the end vandem and they were together for a long time,
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you know, she made him Yeah, forty years. We're going
to read some conversation between his daughters. They give you
some insight into his wife's head. So she was clearly
I'm not going to judge her at all. I don't
even feel comfortable using her name in the episode, just
because like, go live your life, lady, Like, yeah, get out.
That's so horrible that he subjected her to that in
the first place. Yes, So here's Paul's daughter Andrea texting
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her sister Jess about their mother. This is right after
Andrea found out what had been happening. Quote. She just
admitted to me how she feels like she always does
stuff he wants, but he doesn't do the stuff she wants.
And I asked, what does he make you do? And
she said group sex and it makes her sick. She
is saying that we can never tell him. We know
that she is confiding in us, but if he finds out,
we know there is no way he will ever forgive
her for telling us. He likes to watch her, to
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which Jess respond she has to leave him if she
doesn't want that, and he does. Dad is a sex addict, Andrea,
I've known about this for a long time. So his
daughter's repeatedly make mentions of the fact that they think
their dad is a sex addict. So that seems to
be like commonly accepted knowledge within the Man and Fort family.
But I also think that's really unfair because it becomes
clear later that what he's doing goes beyond sex addiction.
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So at one point, Jess claims that their dad refuses
therapy because it feels to him like he isn't the
dominant one. Uh tracks. That tracks and another conversation his
daughters describe quote the stuff he has made her do
as outrageous, involving a room full of men and just
her while dad tapes it all. Um, Yeah, okay, I
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mean it's it's so frustrating because when stories like that break,
it just turns into like this kink shaming party when
it's like, no, the issues she did not want to
do it and her husband was making her do it
anyways because power dynamics be fucked up. Yeah, the issue
is not Paul Manaffords life in Paul Manaford. Are having
crazy group sex. That's fine if you're both into it,
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dope tape. Otherwise, Yeah, exactly, leak the tape. I actually
would like to listen that statement. I don't want to
see Paulman for having groups X. I just don't. I
don't want to see having group sex. But I'm on
record that I think if you're a federal level politician
the United States and elected, you should be filmed. Well,
you should be filmed at all times, like if you
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want to be in Congress, you want to be the president,
you want to be a supreme but we see every
time you go to the bathroom, every time you fuck
you can just tune in on a channel, and if
you screw up there, like we're leaking your poo poo
pep tapes, you'll just be available. Everyone can stream that.
So for all politicians, all of them, all the time.
If you want to be elected, that's what you do. Okay,
I think that would fix Are you a sinister view?
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I mean if it's so politicians have to get hotter
immediately or no one's going to watch, well that's probably
all right. You don't want a lot of people watching.
You want just enough people to make really good super
cuts off everyone in Congress poopin. As a part of
the hacker community, there will be hackers who developed technology
to give you push notification to your phone every time
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your favorite politician PEPs it'll it'll slip fast, yeah, or
like the Ted cruises fucking cam and everyone do I
want to see t he's just making love to a
can of lukewarm soup. I love that you give him
the credit of assuming the soup would be lukewarm and
not bone chillingly cold. No, he goes imagine just for
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everyone listening to Sure, Yeah, I don't even know. I
think he has sex with a flacid penis. Yeah, I
think you, Yeah, with a flasid penis Fox a lukewarm
ca can of soup. Yeah, Ted Cruise Fox, a lukewarm
can of soup and doesn't even care that the kind
of the sharp edges of the can are are grinding
against his taint and cutting it open. He's got all this,
He's got all these cuts on his penus. His wife's like, Ted,
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what's going on. It's like the soup. It's honest about
the soup, Lion, Ted and see, and that's why we're
not going to King shame Ted Cruz, because that's fine.
Everyone should. Everyone has the right to a can of
soup at least once. You gotta know, I'm more of
like a bagged soup guy. You're whoa is there bagged soup?
(14:21):
You've never had bagged soup? Where you get bagged sus
You're an East coastie. Yeah, over there, we're all on
the West coast. It's all in bags. Why that's just
the best way to carry loose soup. You've never gone
to one of those teenage sex parties where it's just
a kmart bag full of warm soup. And honestly, I
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don't even like a soup. It's like power that was
left in the sun. Like, I don't know how we
got onto this digression. But so back to its daughters. So,
after noting that their dad tapes everything, just said poor mom,
Andrea said, she says, it's normal that you and I
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probably do it. I know, I feel so, so, so
bad for her. Jess says, this is sick, Andrea, it's
filming a gang bang. Andrea says, I know. Jess goes
on to call her father abusive and claims that he
made their mother into a shell of a human being,
and then she said this. Mom says, you caught dad
once on a website or something and confronted him about it,
and he blew it off and told mom, see, she
does it too. Andrew responds that yes, she's caught their
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father several times, and then says, I've seen the sights
up on his Trump computer and I know that they
had done group sex because of what Amanda told me
she found. I even thought I told Mom about that.
So it seems like from what his daughters are saying.
Paul Manafort, donald Trump's campaign manager, was using his official
Trump campaign issued computer to set up questionably consensual gang
bangs with his wife. The election was going on, on
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the trail, on the trail, on the trail on the
tried this poor woman and Jesus Christ. So again, we're
not we're not we're not. We're not trying to do
King shaming here. Uh yeah, but I mean, yeah, you
have your sex computer and then your regular your work.
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I don't know, I mean, but I guess if it's
a Trump issued computer, it's okay to use it for
sex crimes. It's probably mostly for sex crimes, right, probably
actually will work faster than if you were doing work. Yeah.
The reason that I think this is worth bringing up,
in addition to the fact that it's just horrifying, is
that it's kind of evidence that Paul Manafort conducted his
sex life and his family life the same way he
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conducted his job, where it was all about what Paul
Manafort could get and damn the human consequences of his actions.
Like Paul Manafort wanted a gang bang, so even though
his wife was obviously traumatized by all this stuff, they
were going to keep doing it, like scheduling it to
like meetings. Well, he's an organized guy. He's an organized guy.
I can see his children during conference cast, just I wow,
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that is okay. Just Leader said quote, I've been finding
his weird ship my whole life. I found his first
black porn when I was eleven, but I figured it
was once in a while and mom was into it.
Clearly she was not. Jess goes on to lament her
father's serious control issues and then claim that what her
own father did to their mother was quote basically rape,
adding that quote she is a destroyed person. Andrew agreed
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with us, saying, I agree this is emotional rape and
basically physically as well. So basically, yea, Paul Manafford's daughters
think their dad as a rapist. It is so, I mean,
it's it's confusing and scary to me how self aware
of everything that is happening that his daughters seemed, and
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yet ultimately always choose the path of evil like it.
It seems like they could have busted their father so
many times over if they had more. I mean, them
being self aware is almost worse than if they were
just like, yeah, who knows, like where this is just
how people are? You know your dad is this gross
and you know that he's trying to help another guy
become president. Do you not wonder like maybe that guy's
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gross as hell too. Maybe whatever he supports in an
election is the wrong one, right, Like, just don't do
They're like there's so so many opportunities for them to
get information from their dad and like help save something someone. Yeah,
I don't think they're good guys in this. They're bystanders. Yeah,
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they're they're bystanders when they didn't need to be. So
that we've established Paul's ghoulish lack of fox for the
human beings he professes to love, I'd like to read
one last quote about his sex life. Here's jess quote.
Did dad partake in the group? Were there women or
was it always just him watching mom with other men?
To which Andy responded she said he did partake, but
like he could never get off. But apparently he has
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a thing for black men hardcore. One time it was
six black men in a hotel room. I hate him, Jessica,
I think I hate him. She said she would often
be so drunk she couldn't stand. Again, I think we've
got a pretty fair claim that Paul Man affords a
rapist on a legal level. But yes, yeah, yeah, if
he's drug people to have oh god, well, what a nightmare.
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He should be castrated. He should be sounds like he
can't get it up anyway. It would be an easy cut.
Have you're seen hard candy? Oh? A young Ellen Page
cuts off Patrick Wilson's dick. WHOA, She's sorry spoiler alert,
she's fourteen. The big centerpiece of the movie is she
like bates, a guy who's like trying to get little
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girls to come over to his house, goes to his
house and cuts his dick off. That sounds like a
fun movie. It's a great movie, and I wanted to
happen to Paul Manifort. You know what, I would support
him being let out of president if Ellen Page had
to cut off his penis has it's just on Ella,
So it's going to fly hellic after to the island.
She o you needed, miss Page. Okay, So part of
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me feels a little bit voyeuristic and even kind of
grows appearing through these text messages. But I think Paul
Manafort lived his life too publicly and involved himself too
deeply in the lives and deaths and freedom of tens
of millions of people to deserve any sort of privacy.
Here the outrageous and vile way he treated his family's
relevant because he's a man who sought to and did
impact the world. And on that note, Paul's daughters had
some interesting things to say about their father's actions in
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Ukraine and the prior episodes we covered how Paul's advice
to former Ukrainian President Yanukovich was to basically exacerbate the
divide between East and West in order to consolidate power.
Maniford also urged the would be dictated to crackdown violently
on the Midan protesters. His actions were a major influence
in the murder of more than a hundred protesters, often
by government snipers. Now at one point in February two fourteen,
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when these protests were going on, and when in fact
the government was murdering people with snipers at Paul Manafort's
best one of Andrew's friends texted her to ask if
her dad was mentally and emotionally okay over all this.
So I'm guessing that like Andrew's friends saw vague TV
news about unrest in Ukraine and was like, oh, boy,
I know that Andrew's dad spends a lot of time
over there. I'd better check in on her, Andrew replied, yes,
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what are you even talking about? Her friend explained all
the protests in Ukraine. Andrea said, what about them? And
he said, I don't know. Isn't that stressful on him?
Andrea said he's totally fine, and her friends said, oh, okay, good.
I think I think he was spelled that. No, I
think it was a cutesy middle school reply. Okay, okay.
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So two day's letter later, President Yanukovich fled Ukraine in
disgrace and the protesters won. The civil war sparked off
pretty much immediately afterwards, and two days after that, Andrea's
friend texted her again, asking how's your pops doing with
all the Ukraine bs, to which Andrea responded, he's pechy.
Keene doesn't affect him. Okay, thanks for checking in and
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speaking of in there. It's an ad pivot you got.
You got a better pivot than that loft, you know.
It's really okay. The goods and services you're about to
be advertised nailed it. We're back okay. So I should
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note that the text we just read came several months
before Andrea first became aware of the extent of her
father's sexual abuse of her mother. She seems to take
a perverse sort of pride in her father's gratitude at
this point, and then seems to have changed over the
course of so in November of two fteen, she texted
her sister this quote, I hate him, Jessica. I am
being really strong right now and telling Mom it's okay,
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and I don't judge her. And the only thing that
really upsets me is how all this made her feel
and how he made her feel that way. But between
you and me, I fucking hate him. He gets off
on controlling her. He orders food for her, he dresses her,
he gives her to do lists. She is his puppet,
no wonder, she is a shell. So it's an interesting
she she is capable of understanding her how shitty her
dad is when he hurts her mom, But when he's
ordering a crackdown in a foreign country that leads to
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hundreds of deaths and eventually thousands, it's like he's fine.
Most wealthy people can see pass the tip of their
own nuts. He would think that, like there would have
been some like wake up moment. I don't know when
she realized how bad her dad was, Like, oh, maybe
the things he's been doing around the world are terrible
and should let's take a look. Let's take a look
and try to expose how awful a man my dad
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is once he starts leading a presidential campaign. Right, So,
here's Andrea. He rented her at Hampton's house a mile
from us and would see her every week from Monday
Wednesday and tell my mom he was working. And then
the dumb bitch posted picks of our homes all over Instagram.
He's way too smart to have been this dumb about it.
He either wanted to be caught or his next level arrogant,
or doesn't understand how the internet. It's just a dumb
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old man. Yeah, it's like if you look at him,
he's born. I feel like there does reach a point
with a lot of like politicians and world leaders where
it's like, you can be a genius, but if you
don't know how computer work, you're fucked. Yes, someone's like,
can I post this on Instagram? And he's like, maybe
he thinks that's flicker or something else where it's like
a private photo. Yeah he doesn't know, Yeah, google it. Yeah, yeah. Computer.
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Because she's she's significantly younger than him, younger than so
she understands. Listen, some people die. Flexing on the grams.
It's a it's an epidemic, flexing on the GRAM, flexing
on the Robert, are you not flexing on the ground.
I have never used the grand I know, I think Sophie.
Sophie runs the GRAM. You guys are flexing on the graund.
(24:25):
I don't even know what that would mean. Get that dopamine.
It sounds like you're talking about dealing drugs. I am,
you gotta do it. This is now, I'm admitting it
on a podcast classic. You heard it here first, folks,
if you want to buy drugs. M So it gets grosser.
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According to Jess's quote, I mean he has taken her
on his playlist of places, as in, like the restaurant
he celebrates my mom's birthday every year with her, the
place they went on their honeymoon, to all the restaurants
they go to when they go to Paris for decades.
So again, Paul mana four gross piece of shit. Yeah,
and there's a piece of his aunt. Oh yeah. So,
while Jess was parsing out the full extent of her
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dad's awfulness, Andrea realized that quote. He was at a
beach resort off the coast of Ukraine with her the
weekend of my fucking engagement party. No, that's so many levels,
it's just Ukraine. On top of that, He's just so
consistently as bad a human being as he can possibly be,
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going to let people down at every turn. It almost
makes Donald Trump's lack of awareness that he has a
younger daughter like he's a better parent to Tiffany than
Paul Manaforts been either of his daughters. A lack of
parenting is better than God. I still I used to
believe that Tiffany was gonna save us. Why would you want?
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I wanted her because I because of the single and
what she had a song. I had no idea Tiffany song.
I wanted Tiffany Trump. She wouldn't save us for us,
but I think she would have enough daddy rage to
save us by accident. That was my home, Okay, but
it didn't work out. Well. Maybe Tiffany Trump, if you're
a fan of the show, I don't know, what are
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you doing? What you do? What could she do there?
I mean, she isn't taught to try. I'd be willing
to guess that the average reporter in d C has
talked to her dad more than she has, probably, But
then what are in her texts? Well yexts um So
Paul man affords a gross slam bucket of human beings.
So let's get back to the court case. If you
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just sort of skimmed the news headlines about it, you
were probably aware of the fact that Mr manniboart you
some of his ill gotten dictator money in order to
buy a fifteen thousand dollar Ostrich skin jacket. Have you
looked at a picture of this jacket? No? Yeah, and
it'll be on our website behind the bastards dot com.
Look at this piece of shit. It's not even a
nice looking jacket. No, it's just like, why does it
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have to be Ostrich skin? If it just looks like
any jacket. It looks like any black fox leather jacket.
You could get that top shot. And also it looks
like you can tell Paul Manafort wearing it when you
see Paul Manafort pictures. He wears it because he wants
to look like a greaser. Yeah, he thinks. He thinks
he's the funds. That's why he bought this fifteen thousand
dollar Ostrich jacket. Embarrassing, and I think when people were
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making fun of it online, they were expecting with some
sort of like ridiculous Ostrich plume jacket. It looks like
a black jacket that you would buy for two hundred dollars.
Something only Paul Manifert would spend that much money on
a jacket that's boring and sucks. That's the only thing
he buys is expensive, boring, shitty stuff, not even fun,
not even fun to look at, So God bless him.
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The New York Post tracked down the Manhattan taylor who
sold Paul Manafort his stupid, ugly Ostrich jacket, and it
turns out this guy had sold Paul Manafort most of
his other stupid, ugly and unbearably expensive rich person clothing.
In the interview with the taylor, a guy named Maximilian
Katsman who sounds like a rich guy. Okay, he sounds
I can hear his mustache. First off, if your name
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is Maximilian in and you don't introduce yourself as Max,
you're a tailor for rich people. That's just the way
it goes. Uh. Some Max worked for Alan couldtur I
guess that's how it spelled. A luxury menswear shop in
New York City, where the elite meat to spend more
than the GDP of some countries on suits that all
look the same. Catsman said of the ostrich jacket purchase,
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this was during a fitting. It's simply caught his eyes.
So it's like an impulse by so Pellman. Word just
sees this jacket and it's like, God, should I throw
this jacket the price of a nice midsize sedan on
the pile. Christ, Yeah too, jackets and pay off my
student loans. Paul fucking Paul. So Catsman's dad owns a
lan couture, and he comes across as a rich fashion
(28:41):
industry douchewaffle who's probably completely baffled by the idea that
anyone would find it horrifying to spend fifteen thousand dollars
of dictator blood money on a jacket he called Manafort
style the quote professional politician. Look nothing too bold, nothing
to artsy, nothing that could have fended someone in a
very formal setting. So I'm gonna guess any individual suit,
Mr Manafort wear's probably cost more money than the combined
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net worth of you and I. Here's a picture of
him in a suit. Tell me that doesn't look like
a Brooks Brothers hundred and fifty dollars suits. It's just
a fucking blue suit, pab it doesn't even look good.
This is this like every rich guy in politics. I
don't okay, I mean, do you ever come up against this?
Do you ever get frustrated when uh bastard won't go
(29:23):
all the way? Yeah? That's why I like Elron Hubbard
because like, you're a crazy, rich, evil monster, but you
bought your own navy and made it search for gold
like you wal you walked the Psycho walk. I don't like. Yeah,
that this weird Richmond. It's like I'm wearing what you're wearing,
but mine is and more people died for it. Like
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buying it's like buying a private jet, which is like, no,
that's just a way to waste more money if you're rich,
not like that Google guy who's buying a blimp that's
a house that he can fly around the world. That's
evil and bad, yes, but at least he's not boring,
but he had exactly there's creativity there. At least he's
got a blimp. At least he's got a fucking blimp.
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At least when he's inevitably taken down, someone gets someone
gets a blimp. It's like Eric Prince, horrible guy. But
at least he's like trying to buy a navy in
his own He's not like, don't do the boring ship
that every rich asshole does and spend all of your
money on stupid thing horse and clothes. Yeah, a horse,
a horse, grow up. That's some Romney bullshit. They're like,
(30:27):
by a blimp, God meant rowney the world's most boring
rich man. Okay, so we know that Paul Mitt spent
more than nine thousand dollars at alon CoA tour between
two thous and ten and two thous and fourteen while
he was working for Yunukovic. Catsman said of the Ostrich jacket,
this is the epitome of you know, opulence. This is
as over the top as we could get. That's the
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nicest way I could put it. That's a sales pitch,
sales pitch. Um. I'm gonna read one last quote from
from this guy. We sell over the moon exotic things
on a regular basis, Catsman said, noting that a Vicuna
wolf suit made from the underbelly of Peruvian camels runs
thirty I'm surprised to see that this has become a thing. Now,
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when you're spending the income of an average American family
on a suit that doesn't look any different from a
normal suit, you might get people wanting to guillotine you.
That's kind of how it works. Like they're coming for you.
First seems like they're going to eat you. And and
also whenever like people like that casually express surprise of like, yeah,
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no idea, why people are into it, You're like, then stop,
then stop selling that kind of ship. Then stop. If
you want to be a kind of person who wears
a boring suit, go buy a three boring suit from
Brooks Brothers or something, and then by a blimp, and
then buy a fucking blimp by a blimp. So at least,
at least if we're going to live in an oligarchy
where the rich crush everyone who doesn't have as much
(31:53):
money of them as them, at least there will be
blimps in this guy, Let's bring back the Zeppelin, make
Zeppelin's great again, Make Zeppelin great again. And then because
then one poor person per Zepplin can just spark exactly
done with Richard, then we can just Hendenburg all the Zeppelin.
If we can convince the oligarchy that Zeppelin's are cool,
(32:13):
and then we Hindenburg the oligarchy. There we go, there
we go. Hashtag Hindenburg the Oligarchy. So Paul Manafort will
not be keeping his ostrich skin jacket. I know that's
a heartbreaker. He looks so good that there's no way
he will not be keeping most of the ill gotten
gains he earned in decades of helping the world's worst
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people torture, murder, and suppress millions upon millions of human
beings and total, his Plea deal involves him giving up
some forty five million dollars worth of assets, enough to
pay for the entire Mueller investigation to date more than
two times over. Yeah, No, Mueller investigations very cash flow positive.
Right now, I was I would say, I'm surprised it's
been that cheap. It's cost like eighty million, But then
(32:55):
you get forty five million from one guy in the
black You're black catch somewhere, rich guy's breaking loss. M
maybe that's most of what law enforcement should be. Okay,
So according to the BBC quote, he's accepted responsibility, said
Manafort defense lawyer Kevin Downing, after Thursday's court appearance. He
wanted to make sure that his family was able to
(33:16):
remain safe and live a good life. So it seems
like what man of What was trying to do was
making this plea deal so his family could keep some
of their money so that his kids and wife don't
die poor. I'm guessing it's more because he hopes he'll
get out of prison in time and take it and
take them take it from I don't think Paul Manafort
gives a funk about another human being, except for maybe
his Instagram mistress. Yeah, what a weird Achilles heel to have.
(33:41):
Everybody's got one, that's true, and they always have violent
Instagram presence yea, yeah, yeah, Well like King Leopold and
that teenage prostitute that he loved. Yeah, she would. She
had a great, compelling online presence, the best Instagram in
nineteen o truly by far. I'd like to conclude by
(34:02):
talking about the fact that Rick Gates, Paul Maniffort's aid
and wingman for decades, completely rolled on him as soon
as the FBI got involved, and roughly one hour of
testimony on the fifth day of the Manifort trial, Gates
admitted to faking expense reports to steal hundreds of thousands
of dollars from his boss, partly in order to fund
a love nest in London for him and his mistress.
Gates also admitted to helping Paul Manafort had millions of
(34:22):
dollars in offshore bank accounts. Manafort's former accountant also testified
against him and exchanged for immunity for her crimes and
helping Paul hide tens of millions of dollars, and they've
gotten gains. Just About the only person who hasn't completely
written Paul Manafort off as a human being is Donald Trump. Yeah,
he's a he's a loyal guy. He famously labeled his
former campaign manager a brave man. I'm not really sure
(34:45):
what he was referring to here in terms of bravery,
mainly the fact that he had directly implicated Donald Trump
at any crime. That's what I call courage. Yeah, it's
a brave enough not to do. Yeah. The one thing
that he could do in his whole life that would
be helpful when I think of bravery, Number one is
those young boys storming that beach at Ewigima, and and
(35:08):
and number two is Paul Manafort. Not rolling on the
only person who could exam. Yeah, I just there's nothing
braver than when Paul Manafort doesn't snitch, you know, And
normally I'm anti snitch, but in this case, this is
a clear one must snitch snitch on financial crimes. Yeah,
(35:29):
snitched carefully. So I do want to take this point
now that we're closing to the end of our special
little episode, I want to put together a little list
that I should have added to the first two party
we did on the matter, which is my best attempt
to kind of create Paul Manafort kill count. So we're
gonna get into that now. So, the Ferdinand Marcos regime,
who Manifort backed and received tens of millions of dollars from,
(35:50):
killed about three thousand, two hundred and fifty seven people.
The Engolan Civil War, which Paul Manafort lincolned by as
much as a decade by securing rebel leader Jonas of
MBI arms from the US government, killed more than five
thousand people in twenty seven years. The Maidan Revolution cost
a hundred and thirty people their lives. Manafort's own daughter's claim,
based on the things he told them that he advised
Dyukovitch to use deadly force to split up the protests.
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More than ten thousand people have died in the ongoing
Ukrainian Civil War. Manafort also represented Mobutu says Seco, the
dictator of the Congo. Well. He plundered the nation of
virtually all its wealth. It's hard to pen an exact
death toll on this one, but I think it's worth
noting that Paul Manafort was part of the long proud
Western tradition of sucking over the people of the Congo
for a little bit of cash. Now we're not done
(36:34):
with the dictators. Paul manaforts help. Yeah. So, Paul also
worked with Sanni Abacha, dictator president of Nigeria from nine nine. Again,
it's hard to pen an exact death toll on this one,
but Sanny had at least dozens of dissidents executed and
many more tortured. He also stole five billion dollars from
the country, some of which wound up in Paul manafort
slimy pockets. It's probably worth noting that the oil company
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Shell has also been accused of being implicated in some
of the killings. Um, I know, wait, Shell Shell the
logo I know, it makes me think of the ocean.
I think a beautiful oil filled beaches. There's a big
sign over Boston that the Shell sign. I don't know
why I felt such loyalty to a gas company. I mean,
(37:15):
you know, it really hurts. It really hurts. I gotta
go and look at that sign and be like, I
don't take any joy in you sign. You expect the
ship from Chevron, Yeah, I mean, because they've got text
in their logo grow that's that's horrifying. But a shell
shell shell, Okay. I don't like. We don't always have
great detail on the extent of Manafort's work with the
(37:37):
individual monsters that he represented because he was committing international
crimes and tried to hide his tracks, but he has
also been high tied to work with the former dictator
Bakiev and Paul. Manafort has also been tied to work
with c Ed Bar, the former dictator of Somalia. The
UN claims that Bar's regime had quote one of the
worst human rights records in Africa. I found a fun
(37:58):
Guardian article written about Rita Levinson, who worked for Paul
on the Bar case. So she wrote of her old
boss quote arrogant narcissistic, egotistical, brilliant, all of that. I
can handle him, Paul, But it is Paul's mercenary attitude
that puts us at odds. So basically, she told a
story about when Bar's regime was collapsing in Somalia. This
is like the last regime before Somali becomes a failed
(38:20):
state essentially, so while it's falling apart, Paul Manafort sent
her in a colleague over to Somali to try to
get a million dollars out of the Bar regime as
it was collapsing, just to twist the knife, just to
try to get a little bit more money out of them.
He was basically claiming like, I can get you some
last minute aid and help if you if you throw
some money our way. So it didn't work out, and
they got very sick and almost died because the country
(38:41):
was collapsing into a failed state. And she kind of
got pissed at this because she realized afterwards that like
he knew we might die, but it was like, well,
if two people die, that's not that big a deal,
and if we win, we get an extra million bucks.
Like that was Paul Manifforts calculation. She was really pissed
about this um and she said, and she was twenty
(39:02):
five years old at the time, so like she was
in a questionable industry, but also she was twenty five
years old. They're like, who is who isn't doing that?
When they're I was definitely in Somalia when I was
twenty five. Yeah, different purposes, but but we were all there.
We were all shooting down us helicopters, and we were
all risking our lives for millionaires Somalia to some of us.
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This is a quote from Rita writing afterwards about the
time Paul Manaford almost got her in a colleague murdered
in Somalia. I realized now that to men like Manafort,
the world really is one huge game of strtigo, and
he plays to win. The consequences are secondary. He sent
John and me on this wild goose chase, this utterly
pointless mission, one that could have killed us both simply
because he could. Which is I think, why Paul does
(39:48):
everything that he's ever done. Yeah, and uh, experiencing the
first consequence ever, A consequence at age sixty nine, A
consequence at the age okay, yeah, well for him, though
he's got a cast. He does, and his foot he
can't wear a shoe. He can't. He's gonna get rolled around.
He has got Instagram and his daughter's text Nice screwed man,
(40:12):
Now we screwed. Paul Manafort is the one that we
should feel sorry for. I think that he's really the
victim and all of this. He's the great victim and
Western civilization. Do we know what his daughters think about
having their text league? Do they come? I think they've
gone to ground a little bit. But there is a
searchable database online now of all of the Manafort daughter texts.
(40:32):
Can't wait to get some Netflix recommendations from there. I
just started searching for individual words, and you find some
fun stuff, but most of it was like, yeah, you
search for fart or something and you just you get
a lot of really fun conversations, but none of which
was super relevant. Well a bonus to the bonus. Yeah,
the Manafort girls talk farto persons show man. If we
(40:59):
ever get looked at Madison Square Garden, that'll be the alright,
Jamie president of Loft the stand to stand, Yes, Yes,
you gotta plug I got a little pluggy. You can
listen to the Bectel Cast every Thursday, and yeah, yeah,
(41:23):
you used to be able to follow me on social media.
Now you kind of can't. Twitter is the real bastard here,
Twitter is Jack Dorsey. When's that episode Jesus Christ? Find
me on Instagram flexing on the gram at Jamie Christ
Superstar and uh, if it's so disposes, you maybe yell
at Twitter about banning Jamie Loftus when they don't ban
(41:43):
white nationalists. You threaten to murder people, let them know
what you were doing. It was pretty bad. I mean
I did well. First I made silly videos about figure skating.
That was bad. That was very bad. Next I posted
a death threat made to me and got me banned.
It's the same reporting, it is, basically doing it. And
(42:05):
then you threatened to murder the fictitious Samboni brothers. I
did say I was going to find the Zamboni brothers
who killed them. But the Zamboni Brothers are cartoons. That's
not They're my cartoons. They're literally my cartoons. And I
but you know I did, and I'm a danger to society.
I threatened them. Just because you create a fictional character
(42:28):
doesn't mean you can fake threatened to fake murder them.
You're right, that's Twitter rule. I'm I'm fake. Sorry, I
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(42:52):
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as I am waiting for this show to get big
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(43:36):
is visually indistinguishable from a seventy dollar k Mark Jack.
Isn't that the goal of this show to make you
so wealthy that you yourself become a bastard. Yeah, that's
when it's canceled. Yeah. And then I will get a blimp. Yeah,
and then you get a blimp, and then we burn
the blimp. Sorry, die on a blimp. There. If I
learned one thing from twentieth century history, it's he who
(43:58):
dies on a flaming blimp wins. I'm going to get
a dirty does not dictators mug. I just decided, oh well,
that's a great mug that you can buy on our
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Hello everybody. I'm Robert Evanson. This is once again Behind
the Bastards, the show where we tell you everything you
don't know about the very worst people in all of history.
And this week today I should say, we have a
special bonus episode with our special bonus guest, Jamie Loftus bonus.
That's better than normal. It's good. If I was just like,
this is just our boring as run of the mill guests,
(00:24):
they're like, oh we got this too, Yeah, all right,
this is a surprise. This is like on Tuesday we
gave our audience like a sandwich, and today ice cream Sunday. Okay,
I was gonna say, not a bad surprise, not like
a flash mob or anything. No, no, no, like one
of the ice cream Sundays they order on Star Trek
that are gigantic and larger than any human being whatever
(00:44):
actually eat, because oh yeah, people are always ordering ice
cream Sundays on Star Trek. Should watch that program. It's
got a lot of ice cream really, like pornographically large
ice cream sun more ice cream based media. So, Jamie,
how are you doing today? I'm good. Thanks for having
me back, Thanks for coming back. Now, regular listeners will
not that Jamie was with us on our very first
(01:06):
episode where we talked about Saddam Hussein's romantic novels which
we still have, which we still have, just need to
get it translated. Yeah, we've got a new romantic novel
from Saddam. Oh okay, that is his third novel, but
the one that hasn't been translated that we're prolific. Yeah,
we're going to crack the code and do some stage readings.
We have to translate it from Japanese, the only language
it's been published and since he was hung But any
(01:29):
listeners feel like translating an entire book, like a hundred
and twenty thousand words. But to be fair, we hear
they're pretty good. We're here, it's pretty good. It's supposed
to be Saddam's Game of Thrones. Yeah, toward it forthcoming.
But today we are talking about Paul Manafort. But before
we do that, I should introduce what you do, Jamie.
You have a podcast, the Bectel Cast. I do on
this on this very hate slits What's Up network? That
(01:52):
that is what we call our network. It's located on
the New York Stock Exchange is just sluts. But need
to I know and they're like, oh wow, slut stock
is up and they're not wrong. Uh yeah Bechtel cast
comedian writer. That's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Well today, Jamie,
(02:15):
you know who we're talking about because you just listened
to the first two parts we've done on Paul Manafort.
Really listened, big fans. In fact, that's very sweet. I
heard you do an ad about belts. I'm actually wearing
the belt that we advertise right now. Wow. I just
spent nine on belts. You has sold me on the belt.
That's a nice belt. You ordered a lot of belts.
I got a lot of belts. That's too many belts
(02:35):
from the belt And I'm like, paumana for I don't
know how much things cost. Well, we'll be talking about
Paul Manafort's taste in clothing and uh and what he
spends on clothing, and we'll also be talking about some
some really painfully personal text messages between his daughters. Did
you search the data? Oh yeah, yeah, We're going to
(02:55):
be right on the edge of good taste with this. Yeah,
everybody's id. So when we last left our dear friend
Paul Manaford his trial for massive financial fraud and failing
to register as a foreign agent was about to begin.
In the weeks since that episode, Paul Manafort has been
convicted and rolled as far as a man can roll,
and signed a plea agreement with the Mueller or Mueller investigation.
(03:17):
That's fun. Kind of angry at him for having a
name that makes me want to say Mueller when Muller.
I know he chose. I mean, at some point the
less fun pronunciation was canonical. I imagine that he has
this last name because for generations back in the old Country,
his family just mulled wine, put like spices and hot wine.
(03:37):
I always wonder, I'm like, what did my family and
my family ever done anything? They lofted, they what they
had lofts. They were built lots my guests. Therefore they
weren't living in them. There probably making them that. Or
they were aircraft pioneers. Oh that would be kind of nice. Yeah,
they were Italian aircraft pioneers and it was the aloft
(03:59):
is faan late and then they came here in Ellis Island.
They were like, no, we're taking the a off now
and then we're now we're going to build lofts for
other people. And now you make that clat tail as
oldest time, and now I do that today. And Paul
Manaforts ancestors manned forts, kind of true, kind of kind
of true, kind of true, true enough, journey with you,
(04:20):
everyone's last name, the secret to their their ancestry. My
relatives lived in vans. There you go, we go so
um like digital vans. Yes, even Yeah, I enjoyed that. Yeah,
it was a fun little digression. So this moment, we
don't know how long exactly Paul Manaforts going to spend
(04:41):
in prison. I think next Februaries when he gets sentenced.
The max from the plea deal he signed is a decade,
but it will probably be somewhat less than that. However,
since Paul is already sixty nine, even a five years
switch pretty sick. Even a five year sentence is good
chance of being a life sentence for him. The odds
of Paul Manafort dying in prison seemed to have raised recently,
(05:01):
based on an appearance he made in court on Friday,
October nine. Is this the wheelchair thing? This is the
wheelchair thing? Yeah? Okay. Paul was wheeled into court in
a wheelchair and looking very sick. His lawyer says that
he has significant health issues related to the terms of
his confinement. He had like his one leg elevated and
(05:21):
like a sock on instead of his shoes so much,
so much it reminded me of when Robert Durst when
the court wearing a neck brace and was like, I
couldn't have done it. I was on meth. That was
what Manaford took it to an eleven. He's like, if
Robert Durst had no personality, Yeah, nobody wanted to hang
(05:44):
out with Robert Durst, which everyone unfortunately does. I mean,
who wouldn't. He's so cool, super cool. I used to
make calendars of my fan art of him. I know
that that's not joke, which takes it a step too far,
and I stopped doing it. Well, you know, when you
realize you can step too far, what are your options?
You step backwards, or you step even further, or you
(06:05):
make posters, Yeah, you make posters that you change your
name anyway. Paul Manaford, Yeah, basically it seems like he's
claiming he has gout and that's what he has to
be in a wheelchair in his leg. That rich Man's
the rich man rich Man leg. Yeah, rich eating too
much sugar. I don't know, either gout or diabetes would
be possible causes of something like that, or he might
(06:27):
just be lying to try and get, you know, out
of being in prison for longer. Does he have a
history of history of Paul Manaford? Does he has he
ever lied before? I don't know. I don't know if
we have any evidence of him being manipulative. I mean,
we have no evidence that killed anyone. No, we don't know.
I accepted in self defence and self defense and that
time he admitted it in the bathroom, and that with
(06:52):
Paul Manaford. Of course, we have the text messages his
daughter sent and talking about the things their dad told them.
The daughters are so chaotic evil. It's amazing how almost
no criminals at that level of crime can avoid admitting
what they've done. Like, you don't run into a lot
of like crack dealers who in interviews with people are like, yep,
(07:14):
I sell crack, right. I don't know. If you're doing crimes,
don't brag about it. Don't brag about the crimes while
you're committing them in public. It's pretty wild. Don't tell
your daughters who text on unsecured cell phones about the
crimes you're committing for a dictator. These are lessons that
nobody should actually learn, because then these people wouldn't get caught.
(07:36):
But yeah, that's true. Yea. So Paul Manafort is apparently
very sick and on death's door. According to Paul Manafort,
have to be released, Let me out of prison. Police.
The prosecution does still have the option to waive a
lot of his convictions if he helps them out enough.
So right now, the ten things that he wasn't convicted
(07:58):
for when he got his original intense they've said, we're
not going to try you again on these things, but
we could try him again if he doesn't wind up
giving the prosecution very much. So is the deadline for
that when his trial begins or is that just indefinite.
I think it's like by February or something, if they're
going to triumph with no It seems like there is
a ticking clock. We're going to see what else they
get from him. But yeah, it's possible he'll be dismissed
(08:21):
and won't spend much more time in prison. It's possible
he will die there. I do want to draw your attention,
Jamie to one last line from a CNN article that
I read that was sort of introducing the fact that
he'd come to court in a wheelchair. Quote. Manafort's wife
was not in the courtroom on Friday. She previously attended
most of his hearings in the entirety of his Virginia trial.
(08:43):
Why might that be? I don't I don't know. Was
it perhaps that he was serially philandering on her and
probably wasn't actually sick? Now, his rampant cheating may have
had something to do with the fact that she wasn't there,
although she knew about Everyone knew about his rampant cheating
when she was there for his Virginia trial. Um. But
(09:06):
some more information about Paul Manafford's love life has cropped
up since the last time we discussed him. Do you
wanna take a guess at what else he did? Dish?
Do you do some freaky ship that wasn't legal? Well,
the legality is in question, but it seems like he
repeatedly forced his wife to have group sex with anonymous men,
despite her horror at the idea and complete disinclination to
(09:27):
do so. That is absolutely horrible. Now, that's just according
to his daughters. There the most possible reli Okay, Okay,
so when was this happening. Well, this was apparently was
happening for years, but the text message conversations his daughters
found out in late two thousand fourteen. So then why
has his wife decided to just be like angry enough
(09:51):
to not come to court about that? Now, It's interesting.
Part of me would guess that maybe it's you know,
with abusive relationships, oftentimes people feel sort of still attached
to that person until they get enough distance to realize,
oh my god, that was fucked up, or get like
enough information of like know this person was doing all
this stuff and then some you got to get to
the end vandem and they were together for a long time,
(10:13):
you know, she made him Yeah, forty years. We're going
to read some conversation between his daughters. They give you
some insight into his wife's head. So she was clearly
I'm not going to judge her at all. I don't
even feel comfortable using her name in the episode, just
because like, go live your life, lady, Like, yeah, get out.
That's so horrible that he subjected her to that in
the first place. Yes, So here's Paul's daughter Andrea texting
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her sister Jess about their mother. This is right after
Andrea found out what had been happening. Quote. She just
admitted to me how she feels like she always does
stuff he wants, but he doesn't do the stuff she wants.
And I asked, what does he make you do? And
she said group sex and it makes her sick. She
is saying that we can never tell him. We know
that she is confiding in us, but if he finds out,
we know there is no way he will ever forgive
her for telling us. He likes to watch her, to
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which Jess respond she has to leave him if she
doesn't want that, and he does. Dad is a sex addict, Andrea,
I've known about this for a long time. So his
daughter's repeatedly make mentions of the fact that they think
their dad is a sex addict. So that seems to
be like commonly accepted knowledge within the Man and Fort family.
But I also think that's really unfair because it becomes
clear later that what he's doing goes beyond sex addiction.
(11:22):
So at one point, Jess claims that their dad refuses
therapy because it feels to him like he isn't the
dominant one. Uh tracks. That tracks and another conversation his
daughters describe quote the stuff he has made her do
as outrageous, involving a room full of men and just
her while dad tapes it all. Um, Yeah, okay, I
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mean it's it's so frustrating because when stories like that break,
it just turns into like this kink shaming party when
it's like, no, the issues she did not want to
do it and her husband was making her do it
anyways because power dynamics be fucked up. Yeah, the issue
is not Paul Manaffords life in Paul Manaford. Are having
crazy group sex. That's fine if you're both into it,
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dope tape. Otherwise, Yeah, exactly, leak the tape. I actually
would like to listen that statement. I don't want to
see Paulman for having groups X. I just don't. I
don't want to see having group sex. But I'm on
record that I think if you're a federal level politician
the United States and elected, you should be filmed. Well,
you should be filmed at all times, like if you
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want to be in Congress, you want to be the president,
you want to be a supreme but we see every
time you go to the bathroom, every time you fuck
you can just tune in on a channel, and if
you screw up there, like we're leaking your poo poo
pep tapes, you'll just be available. Everyone can stream that.
So for all politicians, all of them, all the time.
If you want to be elected, that's what you do. Okay,
I think that would fix Are you a sinister view?
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I mean if it's so politicians have to get hotter
immediately or no one's going to watch, well that's probably
all right. You don't want a lot of people watching.
You want just enough people to make really good super
cuts off everyone in Congress poopin. As a part of
the hacker community, there will be hackers who developed technology
to give you push notification to your phone every time
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your favorite politician PEPs it'll it'll slip fast, yeah, or
like the Ted cruises fucking cam and everyone do I
want to see t he's just making love to a
can of lukewarm soup. I love that you give him
the credit of assuming the soup would be lukewarm and
not bone chillingly cold. No, he goes imagine just for
(13:36):
everyone listening to Sure, Yeah, I don't even know. I
think he has sex with a flacid penis. Yeah, I
think you, Yeah, with a flasid penis Fox a lukewarm
ca can of soup. Yeah, Ted Cruise Fox, a lukewarm
can of soup and doesn't even care that the kind
of the sharp edges of the can are are grinding
against his taint and cutting it open. He's got all this,
He's got all these cuts on his penus. His wife's like, Ted,
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what's going on. It's like the soup. It's honest about
the soup, Lion, Ted and see, and that's why we're
not going to King shame Ted Cruz, because that's fine.
Everyone should. Everyone has the right to a can of
soup at least once. You gotta know, I'm more of
like a bagged soup guy. You're whoa is there bagged soup?
(14:21):
You've never had bagged soup? Where you get bagged sus
You're an East coastie. Yeah, over there, we're all on
the West coast. It's all in bags. Why that's just
the best way to carry loose soup. You've never gone
to one of those teenage sex parties where it's just
a kmart bag full of warm soup. And honestly, I
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don't even like a soup. It's like power that was
left in the sun. Like, I don't know how we
got onto this digression. But so back to its daughters. So,
after noting that their dad tapes everything, just said poor mom,
Andrea said, she says, it's normal that you and I
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probably do it. I know, I feel so, so, so
bad for her. Jess says, this is sick, Andrea, it's
filming a gang bang. Andrea says, I know. Jess goes
on to call her father abusive and claims that he
made their mother into a shell of a human being,
and then she said this. Mom says, you caught dad
once on a website or something and confronted him about it,
and he blew it off and told mom, see, she
does it too. Andrew responds that yes, she's caught their
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father several times, and then says, I've seen the sights
up on his Trump computer and I know that they
had done group sex because of what Amanda told me
she found. I even thought I told Mom about that.
So it seems like from what his daughters are saying.
Paul Manafort, donald Trump's campaign manager, was using his official
Trump campaign issued computer to set up questionably consensual gang
bangs with his wife. The election was going on, on
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the trail, on the trail, on the trail on the
tried this poor woman and Jesus Christ. So again, we're
not we're not we're not. We're not trying to do
King shaming here. Uh yeah, but I mean, yeah, you
have your sex computer and then your regular your work.
(16:10):
I don't know, I mean, but I guess if it's
a Trump issued computer, it's okay to use it for
sex crimes. It's probably mostly for sex crimes, right, probably
actually will work faster than if you were doing work. Yeah.
The reason that I think this is worth bringing up,
in addition to the fact that it's just horrifying, is
that it's kind of evidence that Paul Manafort conducted his
sex life and his family life the same way he
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conducted his job, where it was all about what Paul
Manafort could get and damn the human consequences of his actions.
Like Paul Manafort wanted a gang bang, so even though
his wife was obviously traumatized by all this stuff, they
were going to keep doing it, like scheduling it to
like meetings. Well, he's an organized guy. He's an organized guy.
I can see his children during conference cast, just I wow,
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that is okay. Just Leader said quote, I've been finding
his weird ship my whole life. I found his first
black porn when I was eleven, but I figured it
was once in a while and mom was into it.
Clearly she was not. Jess goes on to lament her
father's serious control issues and then claim that what her
own father did to their mother was quote basically rape,
adding that quote she is a destroyed person. Andrew agreed
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with us, saying, I agree this is emotional rape and
basically physically as well. So basically, yea, Paul Manafford's daughters
think their dad as a rapist. It is so, I mean,
it's it's confusing and scary to me how self aware
of everything that is happening that his daughters seemed, and
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yet ultimately always choose the path of evil like it.
It seems like they could have busted their father so
many times over if they had more. I mean, them
being self aware is almost worse than if they were
just like, yeah, who knows, like where this is just
how people are? You know your dad is this gross
and you know that he's trying to help another guy
become president. Do you not wonder like maybe that guy's
(17:58):
gross as hell too. Maybe whatever he supports in an
election is the wrong one, right, Like, just don't do
They're like there's so so many opportunities for them to
get information from their dad and like help save something someone. Yeah,
I don't think they're good guys in this. They're bystanders. Yeah,
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they're they're bystanders when they didn't need to be. So
that we've established Paul's ghoulish lack of fox for the
human beings he professes to love, I'd like to read
one last quote about his sex life. Here's jess quote.
Did dad partake in the group? Were there women or
was it always just him watching mom with other men?
To which Andy responded she said he did partake, but
like he could never get off. But apparently he has
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a thing for black men hardcore. One time it was
six black men in a hotel room. I hate him, Jessica,
I think I hate him. She said she would often
be so drunk she couldn't stand. Again, I think we've
got a pretty fair claim that Paul Man affords a
rapist on a legal level. But yes, yeah, yeah, if
he's drug people to have oh god, well, what a nightmare.
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He should be castrated. He should be sounds like he
can't get it up anyway. It would be an easy cut.
Have you're seen hard candy? Oh? A young Ellen Page
cuts off Patrick Wilson's dick. WHOA, She's sorry spoiler alert,
she's fourteen. The big centerpiece of the movie is she
like bates, a guy who's like trying to get little
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girls to come over to his house, goes to his
house and cuts his dick off. That sounds like a
fun movie. It's a great movie, and I wanted to
happen to Paul Manifort. You know what, I would support
him being let out of president if Ellen Page had
to cut off his penis has it's just on Ella,
So it's going to fly hellic after to the island.
She o you needed, miss Page. Okay, So part of
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me feels a little bit voyeuristic and even kind of
grows appearing through these text messages. But I think Paul
Manafort lived his life too publicly and involved himself too
deeply in the lives and deaths and freedom of tens
of millions of people to deserve any sort of privacy.
Here the outrageous and vile way he treated his family's
relevant because he's a man who sought to and did
impact the world. And on that note, Paul's daughters had
some interesting things to say about their father's actions in
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Ukraine and the prior episodes we covered how Paul's advice
to former Ukrainian President Yanukovich was to basically exacerbate the
divide between East and West in order to consolidate power.
Maniford also urged the would be dictated to crackdown violently
on the Midan protesters. His actions were a major influence
in the murder of more than a hundred protesters, often
by government snipers. Now at one point in February two fourteen,
(20:32):
when these protests were going on, and when in fact
the government was murdering people with snipers at Paul Manafort's
best one of Andrew's friends texted her to ask if
her dad was mentally and emotionally okay over all this.
So I'm guessing that like Andrew's friends saw vague TV
news about unrest in Ukraine and was like, oh, boy,
I know that Andrew's dad spends a lot of time
over there. I'd better check in on her, Andrew replied, yes,
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what are you even talking about? Her friend explained all
the protests in Ukraine. Andrea said, what about them? And
he said, I don't know. Isn't that stressful on him?
Andrea said he's totally fine, and her friends said, oh, okay, good.
I think I think he was spelled that. No, I
think it was a cutesy middle school reply. Okay, okay.
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So two day's letter later, President Yanukovich fled Ukraine in
disgrace and the protesters won. The civil war sparked off
pretty much immediately afterwards, and two days after that, Andrea's
friend texted her again, asking how's your pops doing with
all the Ukraine bs, to which Andrea responded, he's pechy.
Keene doesn't affect him. Okay, thanks for checking in and
(21:44):
speaking of in there. It's an ad pivot you got.
You got a better pivot than that loft, you know.
It's really okay. The goods and services you're about to
be advertised nailed it. We're back okay. So I should
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note that the text we just read came several months
before Andrea first became aware of the extent of her
father's sexual abuse of her mother. She seems to take
a perverse sort of pride in her father's gratitude at
this point, and then seems to have changed over the
course of so in November of two fteen, she texted
her sister this quote, I hate him, Jessica. I am
being really strong right now and telling Mom it's okay,
(22:32):
and I don't judge her. And the only thing that
really upsets me is how all this made her feel
and how he made her feel that way. But between
you and me, I fucking hate him. He gets off
on controlling her. He orders food for her, he dresses her,
he gives her to do lists. She is his puppet,
no wonder, she is a shell. So it's an interesting
she she is capable of understanding her how shitty her
dad is when he hurts her mom, But when he's
ordering a crackdown in a foreign country that leads to
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hundreds of deaths and eventually thousands, it's like he's fine.
Most wealthy people can see pass the tip of their
own nuts. He would think that, like there would have
been some like wake up moment. I don't know when
she realized how bad her dad was, Like, oh, maybe
the things he's been doing around the world are terrible
and should let's take a look. Let's take a look
and try to expose how awful a man my dad
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is once he starts leading a presidential campaign. Right, So,
here's Andrea. He rented her at Hampton's house a mile
from us and would see her every week from Monday
Wednesday and tell my mom he was working. And then
the dumb bitch posted picks of our homes all over Instagram.
He's way too smart to have been this dumb about it.
He either wanted to be caught or his next level arrogant,
or doesn't understand how the internet. It's just a dumb
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old man. Yeah, it's like if you look at him,
he's born. I feel like there does reach a point
with a lot of like politicians and world leaders where
it's like, you can be a genius, but if you
don't know how computer work, you're fucked. Yes, someone's like,
can I post this on Instagram? And he's like, maybe
he thinks that's flicker or something else where it's like
a private photo. Yeah he doesn't know, Yeah, google it. Yeah, yeah. Computer.
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Because she's she's significantly younger than him, younger than so
she understands. Listen, some people die. Flexing on the grams.
It's a it's an epidemic, flexing on the GRAM, flexing
on the Robert, are you not flexing on the ground.
I have never used the grand I know, I think Sophie.
Sophie runs the GRAM. You guys are flexing on the graund.
(24:25):
I don't even know what that would mean. Get that dopamine.
It sounds like you're talking about dealing drugs. I am,
you gotta do it. This is now, I'm admitting it
on a podcast classic. You heard it here first, folks,
if you want to buy drugs. M So it gets grosser.
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According to Jess's quote, I mean he has taken her
on his playlist of places, as in, like the restaurant
he celebrates my mom's birthday every year with her, the
place they went on their honeymoon, to all the restaurants
they go to when they go to Paris for decades.
So again, Paul mana four gross piece of shit. Yeah,
and there's a piece of his aunt. Oh yeah. So,
while Jess was parsing out the full extent of her
(25:08):
dad's awfulness, Andrea realized that quote. He was at a
beach resort off the coast of Ukraine with her the
weekend of my fucking engagement party. No, that's so many levels,
it's just Ukraine. On top of that, He's just so
consistently as bad a human being as he can possibly be,
(25:28):
going to let people down at every turn. It almost
makes Donald Trump's lack of awareness that he has a
younger daughter like he's a better parent to Tiffany than
Paul Manaforts been either of his daughters. A lack of
parenting is better than God. I still I used to
believe that Tiffany was gonna save us. Why would you want?
(25:49):
I wanted her because I because of the single and
what she had a song. I had no idea Tiffany song.
I wanted Tiffany Trump. She wouldn't save us for us,
but I think she would have enough daddy rage to
save us by accident. That was my home, Okay, but
it didn't work out. Well. Maybe Tiffany Trump, if you're
a fan of the show, I don't know, what are
(26:11):
you doing? What you do? What could she do there?
I mean, she isn't taught to try. I'd be willing
to guess that the average reporter in d C has
talked to her dad more than she has, probably, But
then what are in her texts? Well yexts um So
Paul man affords a gross slam bucket of human beings.
So let's get back to the court case. If you
(26:32):
just sort of skimmed the news headlines about it, you
were probably aware of the fact that Mr manniboart you
some of his ill gotten dictator money in order to
buy a fifteen thousand dollar Ostrich skin jacket. Have you
looked at a picture of this jacket? No? Yeah, and
it'll be on our website behind the bastards dot com.
Look at this piece of shit. It's not even a
nice looking jacket. No, it's just like, why does it
(26:53):
have to be Ostrich skin? If it just looks like
any jacket. It looks like any black fox leather jacket.
You could get that top shot. And also it looks
like you can tell Paul Manafort wearing it when you
see Paul Manafort pictures. He wears it because he wants
to look like a greaser. Yeah, he thinks. He thinks
he's the funds. That's why he bought this fifteen thousand
dollar Ostrich jacket. Embarrassing, and I think when people were
(27:17):
making fun of it online, they were expecting with some
sort of like ridiculous Ostrich plume jacket. It looks like
a black jacket that you would buy for two hundred dollars.
Something only Paul Manifert would spend that much money on
a jacket that's boring and sucks. That's the only thing
he buys is expensive, boring, shitty stuff, not even fun,
not even fun to look at, So God bless him.
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The New York Post tracked down the Manhattan taylor who
sold Paul Manafort his stupid, ugly Ostrich jacket, and it
turns out this guy had sold Paul Manafort most of
his other stupid, ugly and unbearably expensive rich person clothing.
In the interview with the taylor, a guy named Maximilian
Katsman who sounds like a rich guy. Okay, he sounds
I can hear his mustache. First off, if your name
(27:59):
is Maximilian in and you don't introduce yourself as Max,
you're a tailor for rich people. That's just the way
it goes. Uh. Some Max worked for Alan couldtur I
guess that's how it spelled. A luxury menswear shop in
New York City, where the elite meat to spend more
than the GDP of some countries on suits that all
look the same. Catsman said of the ostrich jacket purchase,
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this was during a fitting. It's simply caught his eyes.
So it's like an impulse by so Pellman. Word just
sees this jacket and it's like, God, should I throw
this jacket the price of a nice midsize sedan on
the pile. Christ, Yeah too, jackets and pay off my
student loans. Paul fucking Paul. So Catsman's dad owns a
lan couture, and he comes across as a rich fashion
(28:41):
industry douchewaffle who's probably completely baffled by the idea that
anyone would find it horrifying to spend fifteen thousand dollars
of dictator blood money on a jacket he called Manafort
style the quote professional politician. Look nothing too bold, nothing
to artsy, nothing that could have fended someone in a
very formal setting. So I'm gonna guess any individual suit,
Mr Manafort wear's probably cost more money than the combined
(29:01):
net worth of you and I. Here's a picture of
him in a suit. Tell me that doesn't look like
a Brooks Brothers hundred and fifty dollars suits. It's just
a fucking blue suit, pab it doesn't even look good.
This is this like every rich guy in politics. I
don't okay, I mean, do you ever come up against this?
Do you ever get frustrated when uh bastard won't go
(29:23):
all the way? Yeah? That's why I like Elron Hubbard
because like, you're a crazy, rich, evil monster, but you
bought your own navy and made it search for gold
like you wal you walked the Psycho walk. I don't like. Yeah,
that this weird Richmond. It's like I'm wearing what you're wearing,
but mine is and more people died for it. Like
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buying it's like buying a private jet, which is like, no,
that's just a way to waste more money if you're rich,
not like that Google guy who's buying a blimp that's
a house that he can fly around the world. That's
evil and bad, yes, but at least he's not boring,
but he had exactly there's creativity there. At least he's
got a blimp. At least he's got a fucking blimp.
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At least when he's inevitably taken down, someone gets someone
gets a blimp. It's like Eric Prince, horrible guy. But
at least he's like trying to buy a navy in
his own He's not like, don't do the boring ship
that every rich asshole does and spend all of your
money on stupid thing horse and clothes. Yeah, a horse,
a horse, grow up. That's some Romney bullshit. They're like,
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by a blimp, God meant rowney the world's most boring
rich man. Okay, so we know that Paul Mitt spent
more than nine thousand dollars at alon CoA tour between
two thous and ten and two thous and fourteen while
he was working for Yunukovic. Catsman said of the Ostrich jacket,
this is the epitome of you know, opulence. This is
as over the top as we could get. That's the
(30:47):
nicest way I could put it. That's a sales pitch,
sales pitch. Um. I'm gonna read one last quote from
from this guy. We sell over the moon exotic things
on a regular basis, Catsman said, noting that a Vicuna
wolf suit made from the underbelly of Peruvian camels runs
thirty I'm surprised to see that this has become a thing. Now,
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when you're spending the income of an average American family
on a suit that doesn't look any different from a
normal suit, you might get people wanting to guillotine you.
That's kind of how it works. Like they're coming for you.
First seems like they're going to eat you. And and
also whenever like people like that casually express surprise of like, yeah,
(31:30):
no idea, why people are into it, You're like, then stop,
then stop selling that kind of ship. Then stop. If
you want to be a kind of person who wears
a boring suit, go buy a three boring suit from
Brooks Brothers or something, and then by a blimp, and
then buy a fucking blimp by a blimp. So at least,
at least if we're going to live in an oligarchy
where the rich crush everyone who doesn't have as much
(31:53):
money of them as them, at least there will be
blimps in this guy, Let's bring back the Zeppelin, make
Zeppelin's great again, Make Zeppelin great again. And then because
then one poor person per Zepplin can just spark exactly
done with Richard, then we can just Hendenburg all the Zeppelin.
If we can convince the oligarchy that Zeppelin's are cool,
(32:13):
and then we Hindenburg the oligarchy. There we go, there
we go. Hashtag Hindenburg the Oligarchy. So Paul Manafort will
not be keeping his ostrich skin jacket. I know that's
a heartbreaker. He looks so good that there's no way
he will not be keeping most of the ill gotten
gains he earned in decades of helping the world's worst
(32:34):
people torture, murder, and suppress millions upon millions of human
beings and total, his Plea deal involves him giving up
some forty five million dollars worth of assets, enough to
pay for the entire Mueller investigation to date more than
two times over. Yeah, No, Mueller investigations very cash flow positive.
Right now, I was I would say, I'm surprised it's
been that cheap. It's cost like eighty million, But then
(32:55):
you get forty five million from one guy in the
black You're black catch somewhere, rich guy's breaking loss. M
maybe that's most of what law enforcement should be. Okay,
So according to the BBC quote, he's accepted responsibility, said
Manafort defense lawyer Kevin Downing, after Thursday's court appearance. He
wanted to make sure that his family was able to
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remain safe and live a good life. So it seems
like what man of What was trying to do was
making this plea deal so his family could keep some
of their money so that his kids and wife don't
die poor. I'm guessing it's more because he hopes he'll
get out of prison in time and take it and
take them take it from I don't think Paul Manafort
gives a funk about another human being, except for maybe
his Instagram mistress. Yeah, what a weird Achilles heel to have.
(33:41):
Everybody's got one, that's true, and they always have violent
Instagram presence yea, yeah, yeah, Well like King Leopold and
that teenage prostitute that he loved. Yeah, she would. She
had a great, compelling online presence, the best Instagram in
nineteen o truly by far. I'd like to conclude by
(34:02):
talking about the fact that Rick Gates, Paul Maniffort's aid
and wingman for decades, completely rolled on him as soon
as the FBI got involved, and roughly one hour of
testimony on the fifth day of the Manifort trial, Gates
admitted to faking expense reports to steal hundreds of thousands
of dollars from his boss, partly in order to fund
a love nest in London for him and his mistress.
Gates also admitted to helping Paul Manafort had millions of
(34:22):
dollars in offshore bank accounts. Manafort's former accountant also testified
against him and exchanged for immunity for her crimes and
helping Paul hide tens of millions of dollars, and they've
gotten gains. Just About the only person who hasn't completely
written Paul Manafort off as a human being is Donald Trump. Yeah,
he's a he's a loyal guy. He famously labeled his
former campaign manager a brave man. I'm not really sure
(34:45):
what he was referring to here in terms of bravery,
mainly the fact that he had directly implicated Donald Trump
at any crime. That's what I call courage. Yeah, it's
a brave enough not to do. Yeah. The one thing
that he could do in his whole life that would
be helpful when I think of bravery, Number one is
those young boys storming that beach at Ewigima, and and
(35:08):
and number two is Paul Manafort. Not rolling on the
only person who could exam. Yeah, I just there's nothing
braver than when Paul Manafort doesn't snitch, you know, And
normally I'm anti snitch, but in this case, this is
a clear one must snitch snitch on financial crimes. Yeah,
(35:29):
snitched carefully. So I do want to take this point
now that we're closing to the end of our special
little episode, I want to put together a little list
that I should have added to the first two party
we did on the matter, which is my best attempt
to kind of create Paul Manafort kill count. So we're
gonna get into that now. So, the Ferdinand Marcos regime,
who Manifort backed and received tens of millions of dollars from,
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killed about three thousand, two hundred and fifty seven people.
The Engolan Civil War, which Paul Manafort lincolned by as
much as a decade by securing rebel leader Jonas of
MBI arms from the US government, killed more than five
thousand people in twenty seven years. The Maidan Revolution cost
a hundred and thirty people their lives. Manafort's own daughter's claim,
based on the things he told them that he advised
Dyukovitch to use deadly force to split up the protests.
(36:11):
More than ten thousand people have died in the ongoing
Ukrainian Civil War. Manafort also represented Mobutu says Seco, the
dictator of the Congo. Well. He plundered the nation of
virtually all its wealth. It's hard to pen an exact
death toll on this one, but I think it's worth
noting that Paul Manafort was part of the long proud
Western tradition of sucking over the people of the Congo
for a little bit of cash. Now we're not done
(36:34):
with the dictators. Paul manaforts help. Yeah. So, Paul also
worked with Sanni Abacha, dictator president of Nigeria from nine nine. Again,
it's hard to pen an exact death toll on this one,
but Sanny had at least dozens of dissidents executed and
many more tortured. He also stole five billion dollars from
the country, some of which wound up in Paul manafort
slimy pockets. It's probably worth noting that the oil company
(36:54):
Shell has also been accused of being implicated in some
of the killings. Um, I know, wait, Shell Shell the
logo I know, it makes me think of the ocean.
I think a beautiful oil filled beaches. There's a big
sign over Boston that the Shell sign. I don't know
why I felt such loyalty to a gas company. I mean,
(37:15):
you know, it really hurts. It really hurts. I gotta
go and look at that sign and be like, I
don't take any joy in you sign. You expect the
ship from Chevron, Yeah, I mean, because they've got text
in their logo grow that's that's horrifying. But a shell
shell shell, Okay. I don't like. We don't always have
great detail on the extent of Manafort's work with the
(37:37):
individual monsters that he represented because he was committing international
crimes and tried to hide his tracks, but he has
also been high tied to work with the former dictator
Bakiev and Paul. Manafort has also been tied to work
with c Ed Bar, the former dictator of Somalia. The
UN claims that Bar's regime had quote one of the
worst human rights records in Africa. I found a fun
(37:58):
Guardian article written about Rita Levinson, who worked for Paul
on the Bar case. So she wrote of her old
boss quote arrogant narcissistic, egotistical, brilliant, all of that. I
can handle him, Paul, But it is Paul's mercenary attitude
that puts us at odds. So basically, she told a
story about when Bar's regime was collapsing in Somalia. This
is like the last regime before Somali becomes a failed
(38:20):
state essentially, so while it's falling apart, Paul Manafort sent
her in a colleague over to Somali to try to
get a million dollars out of the Bar regime as
it was collapsing, just to twist the knife, just to
try to get a little bit more money out of them.
He was basically claiming like, I can get you some
last minute aid and help if you if you throw
some money our way. So it didn't work out, and
they got very sick and almost died because the country
(38:41):
was collapsing into a failed state. And she kind of
got pissed at this because she realized afterwards that like
he knew we might die, but it was like, well,
if two people die, that's not that big a deal,
and if we win, we get an extra million bucks.
Like that was Paul Manifforts calculation. She was really pissed
about this um and she said, and she was twenty
(39:02):
five years old at the time, so like she was
in a questionable industry, but also she was twenty five
years old. They're like, who is who isn't doing that?
When they're I was definitely in Somalia when I was
twenty five. Yeah, different purposes, but but we were all there.
We were all shooting down us helicopters, and we were
all risking our lives for millionaires Somalia to some of us.
(39:26):
This is a quote from Rita writing afterwards about the
time Paul Manaford almost got her in a colleague murdered
in Somalia. I realized now that to men like Manafort,
the world really is one huge game of strtigo, and
he plays to win. The consequences are secondary. He sent
John and me on this wild goose chase, this utterly
pointless mission, one that could have killed us both simply
because he could. Which is I think, why Paul does
(39:48):
everything that he's ever done. Yeah, and uh, experiencing the
first consequence ever, A consequence at age sixty nine, A
consequence at the age okay, yeah, well for him, though
he's got a cast. He does, and his foot he
can't wear a shoe. He can't. He's gonna get rolled around.
He has got Instagram and his daughter's text Nice screwed man,
(40:12):
Now we screwed. Paul Manafort is the one that we
should feel sorry for. I think that he's really the
victim and all of this. He's the great victim and
Western civilization. Do we know what his daughters think about
having their text league? Do they come? I think they've
gone to ground a little bit. But there is a
searchable database online now of all of the Manafort daughter texts.
(40:32):
Can't wait to get some Netflix recommendations from there. I
just started searching for individual words, and you find some
fun stuff, but most of it was like, yeah, you
search for fart or something and you just you get
a lot of really fun conversations, but none of which
was super relevant. Well a bonus to the bonus. Yeah,
the Manafort girls talk farto persons show man. If we
(40:59):
ever get looked at Madison Square Garden, that'll be the alright,
Jamie president of Loft the stand to stand, Yes, Yes,
you gotta plug I got a little pluggy. You can
listen to the Bectel Cast every Thursday, and yeah, yeah,
(41:23):
you used to be able to follow me on social media.
Now you kind of can't. Twitter is the real bastard here,
Twitter is Jack Dorsey. When's that episode Jesus Christ? Find
me on Instagram flexing on the gram at Jamie Christ
Superstar and uh, if it's so disposes, you maybe yell
at Twitter about banning Jamie Loftus when they don't ban
(41:43):
white nationalists. You threaten to murder people, let them know
what you were doing. It was pretty bad. I mean
I did well. First I made silly videos about figure skating.
That was bad. That was very bad. Next I posted
a death threat made to me and got me banned.
It's the same reporting, it is, basically doing it. And
(42:05):
then you threatened to murder the fictitious Samboni brothers. I
did say I was going to find the Zamboni brothers
who killed them. But the Zamboni Brothers are cartoons. That's
not They're my cartoons. They're literally my cartoons. And I
but you know I did, and I'm a danger to society.
I threatened them. Just because you create a fictional character
(42:28):
doesn't mean you can fake threatened to fake murder them.
You're right, that's Twitter rule. I'm I'm fake. Sorry, I
am real Robert Evans and this has been Behind the Bastards.
You can find us on social media at Bastards pod
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Sophie's gonna Sophie's gonna interact with you there, but she's
(42:52):
a better person than me, so you can enjoy it.
And you can find us on behind the Bastards dot com.
You can find us every Tuesday most Thursdays from now
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Some of the money will get to me and I
will use it to buy narcotics, an Ostrich jacket, and
as I am waiting for this show to get big
enough that I can have an ugly Ostrich jacket that
(43:36):
is visually indistinguishable from a seventy dollar k Mark Jack.
Isn't that the goal of this show to make you
so wealthy that you yourself become a bastard. Yeah, that's
when it's canceled. Yeah. And then I will get a blimp. Yeah,
and then you get a blimp, and then we burn
the blimp. Sorry, die on a blimp. There. If I
learned one thing from twentieth century history, it's he who
(43:58):
dies on a flaming blimp wins. I'm going to get
a dirty does not dictators mug. I just decided, oh well,
that's a great mug that you can buy on our
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