The Bleach Church is Spreading

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M what's bleach in my recto cabinets? I'm Robert Evans
hosted Behind the Bastards, And as you can guess from
that exciting type filled introduction, we're gonna be talking about
bleach today. That was that was better than my bleach
intro that I just said? That was better? Yes, yes, yes,

(00:21):
nobody knows what TikTok is? Do you like to talk videos?
I send you so I claim to like them. Um,
for politeness's sake and also for politeness's sake, let me
introduce my guest for today, the only person I could
have on to discuss the Bleach Church, Mr Billy White Davis.

(00:43):
It is it is so good to be here in
such terrible circumstances. Again, terrible circumstances. How are your circumstances doing, Billy,
other than terrible? They're I mean, I can't complain about
my lifestyle and or anything right now. It's just more
like I wish I knew what was happening. Yeah, we

(01:05):
all do, don't we? Um? The answer I think generally
is not great stuff. Not great stuff is happening real
mixed bags. So, speaking of mixed bags, were you did
you did you get on the news at all last week.
Check it out, see what was going down. Yeah, our

(01:29):
our Twitter are our friends on Twitter really let me
know what was going down to ye. Yeah, so catch
everybody up. About a year or so ago, um, you,
you and I sat down to talk about, uh, the
Genesis to Church and its founder, a fellow named Reverend
Jim Humble, and the Genesis to churchs has a sacrament

(01:50):
that I, as far as I know, is unique in
the annals of religion. Um, and also involves anal So
that's kind of funny, except for it's not because the
sacrament is pouring bleach up children's assholes to poison the
autism out of them. Um. So I shouldn't have let
in with a joke to that because it's just horrible
child abuse. But that's what we talked about. It was

(02:10):
a fun episode. Everybody really seemed to enjoy you and
I talking about bleach um. And you know, Billy, I
I had ever thought I'd be looking back on two
nineteen as as as bright halcyon days, but here we are.
That was that was a lighter time. We had a

(02:31):
lot to laugh about back then. I mean, everyone reminding
me on Twitter of what was happening made me immediately
just be like, oh, this is this is not fun.
This is bad, you guys, because we were really making
fun of it, like this is just the most obscure
bullshit you've ever heard of, exactly. So it's it reminds

(02:56):
me a little bit of how when I was when
I was young, you know, nine me one, driving all
around the damn particularly driven around the Southwest, you know,
the desert and stuff. I listened to a lot of
Alex Jones just because he was so silly and so
fun and I just he was he felt like this
like fringe secret that like me and a few friends
had that there was this like Looney Tunes dude on

(03:17):
the radio and he would say all sorts of nutsos stuff,
and it was it was very fun um. And then
all those people got killed um by Info Wars fans,
and suddenly he was a lot less funny. And the
Church of Bleach has had an arc like that. We
we I mean not really, actually I don't. We never
should have enjoyed the Church of Bleach so much because

(03:39):
it was always based fundamentally around horrific child abuse. But
for some reason, maybe that we're bad people, it felt
more lighthearted a year ago. I Yeah, I just made
me feel superior for a little bit. And yeah, and
that's probably shouldn't have. But we we aft about the

(04:00):
Church of Bleach, as horrible as it was, and I
guess it was. It was one of those things that
was always bad. Like all the stuff we talked about
on this show is bad. So like you could argue
we shouldn't be laughing about any of it, but we
do because it's a way of coping with the horror.
But it felt like a like a fringe thing, like
it was this, it was this, this is horrible for
these few dozen families and stuff. But like, surely something

(04:22):
this dumb, this like unabashed would never be a big deal.
Yeah yeah, yeah, Like this has to have only happened
to a like like in a couple of limited cases, Right,
it can't be a regular thing. Yeah, but it is
where it's like they heard about it and then they
kept doing it, so it's like, ah, yeah, it's like

(04:45):
if it's like someone opened a bar four crocodiles and
and suddenly drunk crocodiles became like a major danger to
life and limb um. Yeah, So there are a couple
of stories before Trump got ahold of it, or I
was like, I think I brushed it off because my
brain couldn't comprehend that it was getting some mainstream stuff.

(05:08):
I was like, Oh, this is just in mysei, guys,
because Robert and I talked about it. Yeah, because we
talked about the bleach guy that. But it's it's spreading, Billy.
Much like if you if you drop bleach on your
favorite pair of bright red trousers, UH, a white decolored
spot will spread upon the pants. The cult of bleach

(05:30):
is spreading throughout the United States. UM and it it
It does not appear to be abating anytime soon. And
it received a major shot in the arm last week
when the President of the United States, one Donald Jonathan
Aims Trump UH said, and I quote, I see the
disinfectant where it knocks it out in one minute, and

(05:52):
is there a way we can do something like that
by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see
it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous
number on the lungs. Now. He said this during one
of his one of his UH big addresses to the
media that he was doing every single day. UH and
because he said this, he is no longer doing those
every single day. Um, because there was there was a

(06:12):
bit of an outcry to this one. Now the president,
he is the answer to the eternal question, like, I mean,
what's the worst that can happen? Put him out there,
and then then they're like, shit, he did it again.
It was the worst. Yeah. So, Um, the President got
up in front of America and he he made that statement.
He did not suggest that people drink or otherwise and

(06:35):
just bleach. He didn't mention bleach at all. He just
said disinfectant. Um, and people kind of filled in disinfectant
with bleach. Uh. Yeah. And it's one of those things
where like it's very frustrating on both sides because on
one hand, you had a bunch of people saying Trump
told everyone to drink bleach, and he he didn't tell
everyone to drink bleach. He talked about injecting disinfectant, which

(06:58):
is equally dumb but different. But at the same time,
all of the people who do drink bleach, namely our
friends at the Genesis To Church, saw his words as
an endorsement of their sacrament. Hours after the president's statement,
Genesis To Archbishop Mark Grennan posted this to his Facebook wall.
Trump has got the MMS and all the info. Three

(07:19):
exclamation points. Things are happening, folks. One exclamation point. Lord
helps others to see laught again. I'm sorry. It's when
he said things are happening. It's like every type I
can't you guys, I can't. I want to help you,
but I can't. Yeah. Uh, Lord help others to see
the truth. Uh. And truth is capitalized with one exclamation point. Now,

(07:41):
so that that's Mark Grennan. Who's Who's the archbishop of
the Bleach Church. Another Trump fan who saw his words
as an endorsement of drinking bleach was Jordan's Safer, A
prominent voice in the q and on community, Jordan has
more than a hundred and fifty one thousand followers on Twitter.
He has two hundred and twenty two thousand subscribers on
the YouTube. He is a vocal advocate of dream can Bleach.
He responded to the President's statement with a tweet quoting

(08:03):
his words and then saying this, do you realize how
freaking cheap and easy it would be to mass produce
chlorine dioxide for hundreds of thousands of people? We could
wipe out COVID quick. The biggest turtle is education, which
is difficult with how shit our media is. Doctor should
be learning about this stuff. He's got some colonels of
truth in there, he has some kernels of truth where

(08:24):
he's like, the problem is education that is accurate, and
we could it is accurate that with enough bleach, we
could wipe out COVID nineteen. Like if you drowned the
whole cities in a wave of bleach, that COVID nineteen
would no longer be a problem. That would be just focus. Yeah,

(08:45):
well we're not. We're a singular focus here. That's all
we're doing. You said to get rid of it. I
you didn't say not kill everyone. You didn't say that.
Yeah you could. You could wipe out COVID nineteen with
bleach in a similar manner to how you could wipe
out COVID nineteen. The hydrogen bomb, um, now we're talking now, yes.

(09:06):
In this episode of Behind the Bastards is supported by
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Let's do it, let us do it. Come on, that's
Jordan's say now Twitter removed that message that Jordan's Savior

(09:26):
uh put up. In Business Insider went to Twitter for
a statement on exactly where the line was for people
like Savior, and I think they were basically like a
lot of other people are still talking about drinking bleach
and they haven't been banned, Like, where is your line?
And I want to read you the response that Twitter
spokesperson gave because it is a masterclass in weasel words. Quote.

(09:48):
We're prioritizing the removal of COVID nineteen content when it
has a call to action that could potentially cause harm.
As we've said previously, we will not take enforcement action
on every tweet that contains incomplete or disputed information about
COVID night sen So telling people that bleach might help
with COVID nineteen doesn't cross the line. Telling them to

(10:09):
drink it crosses the line because if you're just saying
COVID bleach, bleach seems like it helps with COVID nineteen,
that's disputed. But if you're telling people to drink bleach,
that's Twitter's line. So that's an interesting line for Twitter
to have taken. That is a line that a room
full of Twitter's lawyers spent. I don't know. Yeah, I

(10:30):
would say an extra two days just to check up
the price and then be like, here's the line we
came up with. Isn't that funny? Yeah, it is very funny. Yeah.
There's a there's a movie. I think it's a pretty
good movie. Some people have their critiques of it called Conspiracy.
That's like a made for TV movie about the Von
s Conference, which is where um Reinhard Hydrick and uh
Adolf Eichman and a bunch of other Nazis planned the Holocaust,

(10:53):
And there's a scene in it where they're kind of
discussing the the mechanics of genocide and like how to
get you know X number of people into you know
why number of trains and move them to these camps
and that camps. They're like working through the logistics of
genocide and they have like an argument about German law
and about whether or not what they're doing is abiding
by like the laws that the Nazis have passed. And
one of the characters says, uh, raise your hand if

(11:15):
you're a lawyer, and everybody in the room raises their
hand because it was true, like almost everyone who was
in the room that Day was a lawyer, and I
feel like you would have the same You would have
the same reaction from the people whose job it is
to make Twitter's uh content lines for things like bleach drinking.
Not that it's the same thing, but that scene was
brought to mind, because yeah, you're right. It's definitely just

(11:37):
a room full of lawyers who have no concern as
to whether or not they're actually spreading disinformation, but are
concerned about whether or not Twitter is legally liable for
the spreading of disinformation, which is a good and fine
thing about our system. It's the same one one track
mind as the dude that's going to kill COVID with

(11:57):
the bleach yeah, where it's like, as long is this
is this, then I'm safe. Yeah, you see, I thinking, motherfucker. Yeah.
And it's one of those things where at some point
the things that they spawned by thinking that way will
endanger them, and in fact already has endangered them even
if they don't see it. But they're still making money
so they're fine with it, which is again a cool

(12:18):
and good aspect of our system. So UH, As a
fun aside, so we're talking about Jordan's safer and Twitter's
decision to delete some of his tweets, they didn't ban
him from Twitter, um, And it's interesting to me that,
like they they're not okay with his call to action
to drink bleach, but they are fine about the fact
that Jordan's say there has recently gone mask off with
some very Nazi adjacent beliefs. On March eleventh, he tweeted

(12:42):
what is the real virus plaguing our world? And then
followed this word with them inside three sets of parentheses,
which is a very common way online to signal that
someone is Jewish. Uh. This tweet is still up today.
It had more than two thousand likes the last time
I saw it. But oddly enough, Twitter removed a tweet
he made on Holocaust, remembering stay theorizing that the victims
of the Holocaust hadn't been killed, but had instead been

(13:04):
taken to work as slaves on an alien base in Antarctica.
So I am not sure again where the line is there,
but it's pretty cool, Billy. I yeah, I got nothing
on that one. That last one came out. If you're
just like, oh yeah, Twitter is like, you can insinuate

(13:24):
that Jewish people are the real virus, but you can't
say that Holocaust victims were taken to Antarctica to serve
on an alien base. That's our okay, Twitter, it's awesome
that it is awesome. That's the it's all inspiring. That
is the definition of all You're just like, yeah, it's

(13:45):
awesome in the same way that like seeing a whale
with your own eyes is awesome, where it just inspires
this powerful sense of emotion. So back to Mark Grennan
and our beloved bleached Church. Mark seems to have basically
gotten started as the assistant to Jim Humble and his
Humble has aged. Mark appears to have taken the reins
of the church and turned his billion year old Space

(14:06):
Navy veteran boss into a figurehead. Grinned is not nearly
as colorful a figure as Humble, uh, and he's mostly
been a secondary figure even within the realm of weird
bleach cult people. But after the President's tweet, Mark Grennan
leaped into our shared national zeitgeist. Thanks to reporting from
The Guardian, they wrote, the leader of the most prominent
group in the US peddling potentially lethal industrial bleach is

(14:29):
a miracle cure for coronavirus, wrote to Donald Trump, at
the White House this week. In his letter, Mark Grennan
told Trump that chlorine dioxide, a powerful bleached used in
industrial processes such as textile manufacturing that can have fatal
side effects when drunk, is a wonderful detox that can
kill the pathogens in the body. He added that it
can rid the body of COVID nineteen. So this would

(14:51):
be why everyone was tagging us last week. Billy, they
were they were sharing this with us. Um So yeah, Billy,
that was why everybody was tagging us last week. And
one of the major sources for that Guardian article was
an episode of the Genesis to Churches Own podcast in
which Archbishop Grinnin and his son celebrate Trump's seeming endorsement

(15:13):
of their sacrament. And before we move on and talk
about whether or not Mark Grennan actually had an impact
on what Trump said, I want to play you the
first minute or so of the Genesis to Churches Own podcast,
mainly so you can hear the reggae musical number that
they used to open every single episode. Because it is Billy.

(15:34):
This is stone cold perfection. It's a darn and decide

(15:54):
of grew up the institution. Boeen dioxide starts a hare revelation,
how they ducking they died lies and country. He got

(16:16):
this solution. It'slcome, Welcome, Welcome to the G two Voice broadcast.
It is Sunday, April nineteen, in the year of the
Lord Jesus Christ, two thousand twenty. That's what the date

(16:37):
is based on. My name is Mark Grennan and I'm
here with my co host, Joseph Grennan. Isn't that amazing
that I can't I can't even talk about it, you guys.
I mean now, I'm glad I have to. I want
to send it to people. Yeah, you should. You should
spread this far and wide it is. I know I shouldn't,

(16:58):
but I'm going out. Book is it's the reggae what
decision revolution? Okay, that's where they're coming. I would just curious,
like what meeting they had to be, Like what music
are we gonna do for this? Because they had a meeting.
They had a meeting, and Billy it makes when you

(17:20):
really think it through, because I I have spent I
don't want to talk about how much time I've spent
thinking about why the Bleached Colt podcast starts with a
reggae song. Um, but I've come to a point where
it makes total sense to me. And I'm gonna walk
you through my thinking. Um So we all remember, I
hope those of us who are are not eighteen or nineteen,
and I'm happy for all of the zoomers listening. But

(17:41):
but once upon a time, marijuana was actually really really illegal,
as opposed to just really really illegal in like half
the country and more illegal than alcohol in the other
half of the country. Um. And in those days, we
all thought pot was more of a medicine than it is.
Which isn't to say that pot doesn't have some can't marijuana,

(18:02):
the plant can't be turned into a couple of different
a number of different medications. But like, we really got
into the whole weed as medicine thing, and a whole
hell of a lot of reggae was focused on like
the medical implications of marijuana, um, and like how how
what a powerful treatment it was. And when you it
turns out that when you get a group of people
together who all believe that mains the mainstream medical establishment

(18:26):
is like hiding the truth about a powerful medication, and
the government is conspiring with them to hide the truth
about a powerful medication for the purposes of of profiting.
And also those people are all high all the time.
It's not super hard to get them to believe that
other hidden medications might be unjustly cracked down on by

(18:47):
the medical establishment. And that is why reggae makes sense
as a music for the bleached church that unfortunately that
all tracks. Yeah, everyone I know and wanna support sometimes,
but they make it hard. Yes, I agree. Yeah, these

(19:12):
are salesmen. They're very smart, that's what they're doing. And
they're like, hey, you know what'll work this? I think
you're right, Yeah, you're right. Yeah, let's take advantage of
the fact that, for justified reasons, nobody trusts the government
and nobody really trusts the pharmaceutical industry. Um. And we
actually do know that there are a number of of
of substances with medical properties that were hard that we're

(19:35):
in our harshly banned for no good reason. Um. So
maybe this is another case like that, right, And it's
like I used to love that uh kind of natural medicine.
Let's all get high and listen to reggae and take
mushrooms subculture, and you know, the the overall theme of
has been let's just let's just take everything you used

(19:57):
to love and twist it so that it's horrible and
unrecognizable and it's great, Billy, it's awesome. Well it's and
that's where they can call it a gateway drug. I
guess now for everything. I didn't think they would could
call it a gateway drug for bleach, but they're going
to because they're gonna say it's because they lied about

(20:21):
what canvass really is, so now they And it's why
I tried cocaine for the first time after I got
stoned a week after and I was like, oh, ship,
this one's by it, this one is yeah. And it's
not that marijuana is a gateway drug. It's that the
entire way that our society deals with narcotics um and
also deals with medicine and deals with attempting to inform

(20:44):
people about both, has led to a situation where it
is incredibly easy for nonsense like this to to get
perpetrated like it. It's it's not not blaming pot or
reggae for this, it's all It all traces back to
the government um, as most problems do. But in this
particular case, the villains that we're speaking about specifically are
not well mostly are not members of the government. One

(21:06):
of them is that's coming up. So now, obviously, again
the Guardian was right to publish this article talking about
the fact that Grinnin and his followers had been mass
mailing Trump um prior to his disinfectant comments. Grinnan states
on this podcast that he sent Trump a letter um
heralding the power of drinking bleach, and that like at
least thirty of his followers had also sent letters to

(21:27):
the president. Uh. And a lot of people online, particularly
the folks tagging us, kind of translated this to mean that, oh,
Trump was influenced to suggest people drink bleach because members
of the bleach Church got to him. And as far
as I can tell, there's no evidence of this, and
it all I think it's also incredibly unlikely that this
is the case. Um. There's actually a picture of Trump

(21:49):
staring at like an infographic that talks about the benefits
of disinfectant and how quickly disinfectant can kill COVID nineteen
when it's out of the body that was taken right
before he went and gave his speech, and its seams.
It was probably just like a fucking stream of conscience,
this thing for him. It is incredibly implausible that Donald J.
Trump has ever heard of Mark Grinnin or the Genesis
to Church. And I think it's equally unlikely that he

(22:11):
was talking about Bleach when he thought about injecting disinfectants. Um. Now,
there's a couple of reasons for this. One of them
is that presidents receive a lot of letters. Like thirty
some odd letters from the Bleach Church doesn't really make
a dent in the actual total number of letters he receives.
I don't know how many letters Trump gets, but I
found in Atlanta News Now article from back in two

(22:32):
thousand nine about President Obama that stated that his administration
received something like sixty five thousand paper letters every single week. Now,
Obama had a standing policy of being sent ten of
those letters at random every day. It was kind of
like one of the things he did at the start
of his day. Um. I don't know if Trump continued
this policy, but I doubt it. I think it's kind
of unlikely. You don't think you got up and read

(22:54):
what the people thought, or entirely certain he can read. Yeah, yeah,
So I highly doubt Trump reade any of these letters.
And it's very unlikely that, like the fact that the
letters were sent to him as no smoking gun just
because like he gets tens of thousands of letters every day, like, um,
but it's still it's playing to that same audience, Yes,

(23:19):
and his his comments. What's really important is not whether
or not Trump was thinking of the bleached Church. I
honestly don't think he was thinking of much at all.
I totally buy what some people have said that he
was just bullshitting up on that, Like he was just
talking like he normally talks in meetings, and he just
doesn't ever think about what he's doing. And so it
happened that he was randomly theorizing about nonsense while he

(23:41):
was talking to the entire country. And that's kind of
what went down. But regardless of whether or not there
was any intent behind Trump's comments, uh yeah, there, this
was taken as like a signal by a number of
members of the bleached Church. Uh, and I think, um,
you know, one of them is someone we talked about
on our last two parter. You remember Carrie Rivera. Yes, yeah,

(24:06):
she's the woman who made a career out of urging
parents to shoot bleach up their children's assholes in order
to cure their autism. Um. She believes that autism uh
doesn't need to happen, and has a quote unquote cure,
and that cure is rectal bleach um. Now, on February,
as it started to become clear that COVID night, she
doesn't have a ton of proof that it works. No,

(24:29):
her proof that it works is that shooting bleach into
kids and making them drink bleach destroys their intestinal lining
and makes them ship out bits of their intestines that
kind of look like little bitty worms, which she claims
are parasites being cleared from the body. So she's not
great billy, No, nope, nope, And like any good grifter,

(24:49):
as soon as this pandemic hit, she realized that it
was going to be like a big money maker for her.
On February five, yeah, of course she did. She is
a good Yeah. On February five, she published a blog
post titled good news coronavirus destroyed by chlorine dioxide um
and her source for this was a study published by
the National Institutes of Health. Now, all the study states

(25:12):
is that coronavirus in wastewater can be inactivated by high
enough doses of bleach. So basically, studies like yeah, if
there's coronavirus in like a bunch of dirty water, and
you pour bleach in it, the coronavirus will die. So
that's what the studies said. Yeah, exactly, Yes, yeah, yeah
I could, I could. I could make claims about the

(25:33):
ability of my a R fifteen to cure coronavirus in
much the same way, and it would be equally useless.
And in terms of medical advice. Um, now here's how
Carrie interpreted that quote. The article suggests chlorine dioxide is
a percent effective in killing coronavirus. We already know CD
Chlorine dioxide is safe for ingestion by people and has

(25:54):
been used for helping the body heal from any number
of health conditions, including autism, malaria, herpes, and aids. All
similar illnesses there all have the same cause. If you
can get that's a man. I know if I know
some friends of mine that it would have gotten that

(26:15):
herpes information at the right time, would have dranken bleach
for sure. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's probably true. Now, Billy, Uh,
this actually happened today a as we record this episode.
But Carrie very recently published a note to her telegram group,
and we're going to talk about her telegram groups. Uh.

(26:36):
Referencing directly President Trump's disinfectant comments, she stated, our time
has come. Why has it been vilified by the media.
Why is it that they don't want us to know?
Would it destroy big farmer's profits since it's an abundant
mineral um, And basically she claimed that like yeah, in essence, yes,
yes it will. If everyone's dead, it will destroy their profits. Yeah,

(26:58):
she was right about that. Yeah, yeah, um. And it's yeah,
it's it's cool. So she sees this as a major
opportunity to all of the bleach people. Like, two things
are true. Number one, it's very unlikely that Trump was
directly reaching out to the bleach church, which is again
fairly small in terms of actual numbers. It would make
no sense for him to reach out to these people. Um.

(27:19):
And there's no evidence he even those they exist. Um.
But at the same time, all of his very very
recklessly irresponsible comments were taken as an endorsement by everyone
who drinks bleach. Um. So both of those things can
be true, but it's important to be correct about like
what is actually going down here now. Carrie Rivera was
barred from selling drinking bleach in Illinois in two thousand fifteen.

(27:42):
But she still absolutely makes a living selling chlorine dioxide.
She's just developed a way to do that without technically
selling the bleach directly. Instead, she advises people on how
to drink bleach. UM. And we'll talk about her more
in just a bit. Carrie is heavily affiliated with Jim
Humble in the Genesis to Church and if you want
to see the church is something like an MLM, like
a pyramid scheme, a multiple level marketing company carry Rivera

(28:04):
would be one of those, like rare distributors and like
the top one person who actually makes money UM. And
I think that is kind of a good way to
view this because it does seem to be sort of
like a pyramid scam. Now, Carrier he felt, yes, you
know what's not like a pyramid scam is exactly like
a scam. You can't guarantee you that who's advertising it

(28:27):
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sign up in front of your house that says I
want to sell drones and they'll they'll get here's our
other products. We're back, so Billy, we're talking about bleach.

(30:09):
We're talking about Carrie Rivera, the Bleach Church, all these
sales people, um. And again they all even before President
Trump made his statements, like they took that as like
a major endorsement of their their worldview, which is again
entirely based around the fact that bleach cures all illnesses, um,
which should should be sillier. But it's not. Um, it's

(30:33):
what's where, there's what we're living in that. Yeah, Trump
gave these folks a big old shot in the arm,
But they were going hard on the bleach before, like
as soon as the COVID nineteen pandemic started, And in fact,
they did so well at convincing people that that drinking
bleach was a cure for the coronavirus that two weeks ago,
the US government sued the Genesis to Church for violating

(30:56):
the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetics Act UH. They led
that the church's website quote contains claims that MMS is
intended to cure, mitigate, treat, or permit coronavirus, which includes
COVID nineteen, and links to testimonials claiming that MMS. Here's
a litany of other diseases, including, among others, Alzheimer's autism,
brain cancer, HIV, AIDS, and multiple sclerosis. And part of

(31:17):
what's going on there is really interesting. So the founder,
Jim Humble, said a number of times that that that
drinking bleach was a cure um, and then had to
come out and backtrack some of his statements and be like, no, no, no, no,
I wasn't saying it was a cure. It allows the
body to heal itself, but it doesn't cure anything. Because
he started to get a lot of regulatory attention and

(31:38):
he has kind of faded into the background of the
bleach drinking scene. He's turned into like like they they
still talk about him a lot, but I don't see
much from him directly. Mark Grinnan is really the main face.
And Mark Grinnan has completely ignored the what I would
call the wisdom of his his his his elder and
is just sort of just straight up saying, yeah, this

(31:58):
ship cures whatever you have. UM. So is Carrie Rivera.
So are are all of the Grifters who are kind
of most active today. Um. And this is again part
of why I don't think that Trump was signaling to
the bleached people, in particular because his f DA has
been pretty on point about going after the bleach church
since COVID nineteen hit. I'm gonna quote from coverage in
The Independent now. On Friday, the government's request for a

(32:20):
temporary injunction against Genesis was granted by Judge Kathleen Williams
of the U. S. District Court for the Southern District
of Florida. The injunction orders Genesis to refrain from distributing
MMS or any other unapproved drug. The Food and Drug
Administration said in an announcement a preliminary injunction hearing is
scheduled from May first. The name defendants in the lawsuit
are Mark Grinnin, Joseph Grinnin, Jordan Grinnin, and Jonathan Grinnin.

(32:42):
Mark Grinnan is described by Genesis as its archbishop. While
Genesis is currently prevented from selling MMS under a temporary
restraining order, the FDA is also seeking a permanent injunction
and refunds for people who bought MMS. Genesis was selling
MMS online and describes it as a sacrament attimpty to
purchase the product today leads to an error page. It says,
we are currently in prayer exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point.

(33:04):
During these difficult, trying times, we are in prayer and
seeking the all caps lords wisdom and guidance. Please pray
for us. That good. I'm gonna that's when you That's
gonna be my error page on like my website too.
I'm gonna just that's a good idea. Also, have we
thought about if maybe these two quote unquote preachers are

(33:29):
they're in a contest to see who they can get
their flock to heaven first, and that's their whole game. Yeah, yeah,
that might be what's going on here, Billy Wayne, some
weird self aware cult leaders who were betting on who
they can Jim Jones their ship fast enough faster. Well,

(33:49):
you know, I actually there's a lot of comparisons to
Jim Jones, and I think there's a number of reasons
why that that actually isn't as fitting as people think.
Because the people who the the folks who can amitted
suicide with Jones, who drank the kool aid, which is
actually I think flavor aid. Um, they all knew they
were taking poison like some of them resisted it. A
lot of them took it willingly, but they knew that

(34:10):
it was poison. Like nobody thought anything was going to happen,
but that they would die. Whereas these people are taking
poison and think it's going to cure them. So this
is actually like the Heaven's Gate people, or not Heaven's Gate. Um,
what was Jim's Jones? Uh, the Jim Jones drink the
kool aid whatever people? Um, they knew what they were doing.

(34:31):
They they wanted to commit suicide, and they took uh,
functional scientific steps to kill themselves. What's actually happening here
is much dumber. Yeah, you're right, Yeah, it's it's it's
it's wild. It's a bummer that like we have to
be that specific, but like that's where ship is in.

(34:57):
It's good. How much of this do you think has
to do with all the new technology we have just
in the last thirty or forty years exploded. Yeah, I
think a lot of this is a reaction to the
complexity of of our society and life. Like one of
the things, so there's so many different like interlocking subcultures here,

(35:19):
but one of the different like bullshit medicine, subcultures that
ties into the bleached Church because they're all talking about
like you know, Carry barr is saying that it hears
like herpes and malaria and all these things that are
like not even a little bit similar in terms of
the way they work on the body, and it like
how you actually treat them. Um. It ties in with
like there's this guy who's on Alex Jones Show a
bunch um, and who's on Carry Cassidy another like conspiracy theorist,

(35:43):
like Luminaries Show a bunch who believes that there's no diseases,
there's only like one illness and it's the result of
like some spiritual problem. Um. And that's they all kind
of tie into that, Like that is a general belief
from all these communities that all illness is really just
like a spiritual problem them. And there's a number of
reasons for this. For one thing, a lot of these
folks are kind of fundamentally conservative, and it allows them

(36:04):
to blame sick and hurting people for their illnesses. Um.
For another thing, it's just a um it's I think
it's a reaction to complexity. Like actual health science is
so fucking complicated that if you can just convince yourself, no,
there's only one illness, and I only need to do
then one thing to protect myself and my family from
all sickness. Uh, that is comforting. Yeah, it's the same.

(36:27):
It's why those people are also usually racist, because it
is a simple form of being, like I need a color,
not to like that's what I like. Yeah, you're right. Yeah,
I'm scared of crime. And it's not a multifaceted problem
that has to be like attacked from a variety of
different standpoints in order to actually reduce violence and make

(36:49):
a safer world. It's the problem of this group of people. Yeah, Like,
it's it's all kind of the same thought processes. Um,
and at least, yeah, it's it's it's dumb, but all
of the dumb things in almost all of them are
the same dumb, right, Like you just have to trace
back what they're actually thinking about. Um, which is cool

(37:13):
and good. It's cool that the technology they've we've made
technology easy enough that the dumb can just get it
out there. Whoever, Yeah, yeah, there's no nothing's stopping them
from just shot getting their stupid out to the world. Um. Yeah.
So Mark Grinnan, who describes himself, as a co founder

(37:34):
of the Genesis to Church, wrote a letter to the
f d A in response to all this. Now, in
that letter, he explained, quote, the sacraments are sacred and
holy to us, and we use them to keep out
to keep our temples clean. In doing so, we've helped
millions around the world. We have a lot of testimonies
and evidence. It seems if you mentioned anything can rid
the body of COVID nineteen is not approved by the

(37:54):
f d A, you get attacked. Well, Mr President, they
attacked the wrong church, the Church of the Jesus Christ.
Oh ship that church. Now, that last line is real
interesting to me, Billy, for a couple of reasons. For one,
Jim Humble claims to be a billion year old space
god slash Navy man, and was Slash is a practicing scientologist.

(38:17):
Jim Humble claims to be a billion year old space
god slash navy man because he was in the Navy
to the space Navy, in the scientologist the space Navy
that the aliens had. Anyway, No, I think it was
dumber than that. I don't think he actually did that
much time in scientology, but I'm not I don't know exactly. Um. Yeah,
it's one of those things. Like, so, one thing, it's

(38:39):
odd that Mark Grennan, who was the co founder of
Jim Humble's Church UM, claims that his prophet or he
claims that he's the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ
and also seems to believe that his prophet is a
billion year old space god because I think God doesn't
like other gods. I don't know, I need to reread
the Ten Commandments. He's he's confused. I think. Yeah, I

(39:01):
like the idea that he's a space alien he came
to Earth and he was like, first of all, navy
looks dope, we'll get into that. And also Jesus, this
seems real. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty pretty fun to try
to trace back all that thinking. Um, So, I don't know,
I guess belief that Jim like yeah, yeah, yeah, it's whatever. Now.

(39:23):
I feel if we go every week, he'll fill in
the gaps, you know. Yeah. I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna lean too much against that part. Um. But one
thing I will point out that does clash directly with
uh Mark Grinnin's claims that they're the true Church of
the Lord Jesus Christ is. Some statements made on the
Genesis to Churches website see the government's lawsuit against Genesis

(39:44):
explicitly describes the church as a quote secular entity based
in the state of Florida. And that's not the government
like making a judgment and saying like, no, we've decided
as the government that this is not a legitimate church.
That's based on how the Genesis to Church describes itself
On their own website. They call themselves a non religious

(40:05):
church with a goal to restore health to the world
and say that they were quote formed for the purpose
of serving mankind and not for the purpose of worship,
which again makes it seem odd that they would claim
to be the true Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. Um,
now I found all that really. I think they lack language.
I think they lack language. They Mark Grinnan, who spoiler

(40:28):
has is the one who has written everything that we're
talking about today. Um, he has a real interesting relationship
with language. Billy so I hopped you can tell with
the three exclamation points. That's kind of one of his tells. Um.
So I hopped over to the Genesis two Churches website
myself to see what other interesting tidbits I could find.
And I can't say for certain who wrote the copy

(40:50):
on that website which looks like a Geo cities site
from but I'm pretty sure it's Mark grennan Um. He
calls himself the archbishop and co founder of the church.
He's one of the only people really named repeatedly on
the church. He has an extensive social media presence, and
having trolled through his Facebook and some of his other posts,
the style of writing on the website matches Mark's writing

(41:11):
style on Facebook and in the letter to the FDA
to a t. Now. When I visited his Facebook feed,
the top post on it was a Uni lad video
summarizing Trump's disinfectant comments, and the video itself was a
pretty normal and uncontroversial piece of of kind of basic reportage, um,
just sort of going over what Trump had said and
how people had reacted to it. Mark wrote above the video,

(41:33):
though Trump has got the MMS and all the info.
Exclamation point exclamation point, exclamation from point things are happening, folks,
Lord help others see the truth. Um. Now. The post,
which is still up on Facebook, has more than a
hundred and fifty comments, and thankfully most of those comments
are people they're dunking on Mark grennan. Uh. There's a
mix of anti Trump memes, a lot of Jim Jones memes,
and a bunch of links to actual good reporting on

(41:54):
the dangers of MMS and his stupid church. Um. So
I just kept going down his his post and for
an idea of kind of like some of the other
things this guy talks about. One of the links up
there was that he shared a YouTube video about Microsoft
pant patenting a chip for monitoring human beings that was
like patent number six six six, which is nonsense, and
interestingly enough, that same week, Alex Jones discussed this same fake,

(42:19):
you know, bullshit patent story on his Info War show,
which just goes to show kind of how connected all
these people are. Um and yeah, it's it's it's cool
and good. My favorite post was probably one that he
was a picture of Dr Anthony Faucci um with a
bunch of texts on the image that said hashtag planned

(42:40):
dimmick there will be a surprise outbreak Dr Anthony Fauci
stating there will be a surprise out break the coming
administration will face uh. And this is a link to
a video that was also on Alex Jones last week,
which basically pointed out that Dr Fauci warned that the
incoming Trump administration would face a surprise diss outbreak in January,

(43:02):
and a lot of conspiracy folks are saying this is
proof that Anthony Fauci is in on the coronavirus pandemic
and help make it. The reality of the comments is
that he was saying, every single other administration has dealt
with a surprise disease outbreak in the last thirty years,
so the Trump administration will too, and we're not ready
for it, which is completely accurate and exactly what happened. Um.

(43:22):
But so Mark Grinnan shared this video and he just
wrote a one word post above it R V I L.
I think he was trying to type evil, but he
wrote he mispelled it. That's how That's how much he's
expelled it from himself. He can't even spail it. How

(43:43):
much I hate evil, That's how much he's got to
call it a marvel. His body won't let him type
the e's going through his social media as I have,
is why I'm certain that he wrote what I'm about
to read large segments from so on the Genesis to
Churches website. There's a segment of the website just titled

(44:05):
our Church, which describes the history and the purpose of
the church and is one of the funniest things I've
ever read, although I guess more horrifying than funny and
light of its current influence. But I want to just
state that, based on my reading of all of his
other writing off the website, I am certain that Mark
Grennan is the only person who wrote this like I

(44:26):
will be shocked if another hand touched this prose. And
I'm just gonna start reading from this now. Billy, Now
you stop me when you have a question. Okay, there
has never been a similar church to this church. There
has never been a church of Health and Healing. Insofar
as our research has been able to determine, our name
is Genesis to Church of Health and Healing. The word
genesis means the beginning, the two in X or in

(44:50):
a parentheses to symbolizes the second beginning, and we look
to the words health and healing to indicate that we
are working towards bringing health to the world. In most
countries of the world, the common law says and or
statues have been legislated to say it is legitimate purpose
to form a church to serve God or to serve
all caps mankind in some way. So far, our research shows,

(45:10):
down through the ages, it has almost always been stated
legally and lawfully that the second purpose of serving mankind
is a legitimate purpose performing a church. Remember, a church
is nothing more than a group of people who have
joined together for some common purpose. And as stated above,
we have not been able to find any evidence of
any other church that has ever been formed to serve
mankind all caps. So that's interesting to me for a

(45:32):
few reasons, Billy. For one thing, that's not what a
church is. A church is not any group of people
who joined together for a common purpose, because you could define,
for example, the Microsoft Corporation that way, yes, or any
magic the gathering, or any game of spades, yeah, any
game of spades, a dungeons and dragons group, um, which

(45:55):
as far as I'm aware, is not tax deductive or
is not a an untaxable entity. Uh yeah. And it's
also I'm I think we're doing church right now. We're
doing church. We are this is church. This is a church,
which means, Sophie, can you get my accountant on the line,
and tell him I'm gonna stop paying taxes, okay, and
I'm gonna I'm gonna move to a shack in the

(46:17):
woods and start manufacturing rifles as well. And I expect
this to be fine with them. Yeah, okay, they love it.
They love decisions like that. Yeah, I think so. I
think this is going to end well for me. Uh
in the family that I bring up onto a red
colored ridge line with myself. Um. So yeah, it's it's,

(46:40):
it's it's I don't know, Billy. It's fascinating to me.
I'm really interested in the degree of specificity and focus
that Mark Britain has on insisting that his church is
not for worship or religion. Um, even though he claims
it's the only true church of Jesus Christ. That's that's
really weird to me. Um. And I'm not sure why

(47:02):
he makes such a point of making this claim, especially
since he got all jesusy in his response to the
f d A. Like we said before, the way he
uses language, it's my favorite line. And what you just
read me was when he was like, according to our research,
there's never been a church like that. Yeah. Yeah, you're like, well, yeah,

(47:25):
I mean I've tried to use that answer in class too,
where like I'm I'm correct according to all the research
I did, and the teachers like what research is that,
and like it's not gonna talk about that part. But
he refers to his research a lot without citing it. Um, Yeah,
and and it's interesting. Grinnan really finds it important on

(47:47):
his website to stay repeatedly that his church is not
formed around the worship of any specific god. He writes,
we were formed to serve mankind, all caps. Directly, we
want to bring health to the world. We will also
serve all caps mankind in other ways. We intend to
help all caps mankind extract himself from a world of
death to a world of the living over the coming years.
It is not a religious goal. It is a realistic

(48:09):
goal of having us all live in a decent world,
a world where the brutality has finally been overcome, where
men no longer kill other men for financial game. Now
drink my bleach, now, drink my bleach. Yeah, it all
sounds less stirring when you realize this guy's talking about
nothing but drinking bleach. I'm just trying to help people

(48:32):
drink this thing. Drinking now Billy the desire though too
for a world where brutality has been overcome, where men
no longer kill them in for financial game. That sounds
nice though, right, Like we're can all get on board
that I don't like men killing men for financial gain.
But even a casual amount of of of googling brings
up numerous stories of brutality carried out by Genesis to

(48:54):
Church adherents. And to tell that story, I know surprising.
To tell that story, I want to roll back to
our old friend Carrie Rivera for a second. Now. It's
kind of hard for me to tell what her relationship
to Genesis Too is Precisely. I've heard her refer to
both as a member of the church and as a
former member of the church. She was recently a guest

(49:15):
on Mark Grennan's Genesis to podcast, where he called her
a great healer. So it's fair to say that the
Church approves of her work serving mankind and trying to
overcome brutality and stop men from killing each other for
financial gain. And that might that last one, at least
might be technically true, because Carrie Rivera definitely kills people
for financial gain, but most of them are children, so Jesus.

(49:40):
That's good. There's always like, as as much as I've
heard and been on this show and you think like
I know where this is headed, there's always like a
little like just a little curve at the end, just
a terrible, terrible curveball at the end. We're like, God,
damn it. Well now Carrie is our our asshole bleaching lady.

(50:00):
That's I know, I know, I know. I mean, you know, Billy,
if you if you poison them with bleach when their kids,
it reduces the amount of damage they can do as adults.
That's not true. That is not true. Yeah, it actually
probably increases it by quite a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
just statistically, probably a number of serial killers being spawned

(50:23):
as a result of the horrible abuse they encounter in
this uh cult, A lot of a lot of bleach
based serial killers in about fifteen years going to be
trawling the California highways. So since our last episode, sorry
it's the COVID, I need my bleach, um, since our
what I don't like that, Sophie Robert lad break. I

(50:46):
don't like that line. It's time for you know, it'll
cure your coronavirus. Did he go too dark? I don't
think that's possible. No, no unhappiness in my heart though.
Well that see, here's my thinking, Sophi, here's my thinking.
If bleach, here's the coronavirus, which, as far as everything

(51:06):
I've read, has to be true. If bleach, here's the coronavirus,
and Raytheon can make a missile with help from the
good folks at Lockheed Martin that just is made of knives,
that whole knife missile thing. If they can make a
knife missile, couldn't they make a bleach missile. Yeah, it's
time for Afghanistan and Syria both have bad coronavirus problems. Right,

(51:31):
you could solve that with enough bleach missiles. It's time
for our drones to get into the medical business. And
the good folks at Raytheon Slash Lockheed Martin are going
to help with that. So support them. People get back
to work, and did people get back to work? Get
America back to work and back to bleaching. Robert I
would like to people sucking on this podcast. So we're
gonna have to go to break and not say things

(51:53):
that incriminate ourselves. All right, products we're back from outer space.
You just all walked in to find us here with
that happy look upon your face. I'm just gonna it's

(52:13):
taken this long for that line to happen. It's in
my head every single break. Now. Since our last episode,
Billy Wayne, Carrie Rivera has been heavily to platform. She's
been kicked off of YouTube, her Facebook is only allowed
to share non bleach related content. Um, and she doesn't
really have any other kind of mainstream social media apps.

(52:35):
Uh So Carrie had to follow in the footsteps of
all of our best white nationalists and she had to
take to telegram. She opened several private groups where paying
customers could congregate to talk bleach and get paid advice
from Carrie. When the coronavirus hit carry Rivera immediately prescribed
it to absolutely everyone as a preventative measure. Now, Business
Insider has really done some of the best reporting on

(52:56):
the whole Bleach cult. Like I I it's not normally
an let that I'm a huge fan of, but their
work on this particular story has been second to none.
They reached out to Rivera for a statement about her
promotion of bleach as a COVID nineteen cure. She responded, quote,
if you're sincerely interested in health reporting, you might look
up all the medical use patents that include chlorine dioxide
as an ingredient. After you've done that, maybe we can talk. Meanwhile,

(53:19):
I'm busy helping my families, and she's referring to like
patents for like water purification systems that have coin dioxided
wildly lower concentration. Anyway, I shouldn't even be like fact
checking her because she's full of ship. But it's like
rat poison being in the lacroix kind of now, Billy

(53:41):
rat poison kills rats, rats spread disease, ergo. Eating straight
rat poison is a health remedy, and I would like
to prescribe as much rat poison as you can fit
in your gullet to all of my listeners today. Just really,
the church of rat poison is opening up. I don't
condone that. I wonder. I bet it would take at

(54:03):
least six months for the FDA to shut us down.
It would take longer than like, just as if we
did it as a joke just to see. I think
it would make us so sad. We would just like
we gotta stop. They're not gonna this is, I mean
it might Billy times are hard, and I need money
to buy my compound in Idaho where I cannot pay

(54:23):
taxes and manufacture illegal sought off weapons. So you know, uh,
maybe they don't. They don't look for that in Idaho,
so you'll be out, so business Insider. Obviously, Carry was
not willing to talk to them. But they've already obtained
an into Carrie's online community, as have a number of journalists.

(54:43):
They've gotten into her telegram groups or gotten access to
activists who are in these telegram groups kind of watching
what Carry and her fellow Bleach cult people are doing. Uh.
In one video published to Carry Rivera's telegram group, Carry
advises her followers that they can prevent the rohna by
taking each and drinking it straight from the bottle, by
spraying it into their mouth and nose periodically, or by

(55:05):
loading it into a humidifier. And you used to get
to coat the entire room a lot of ruined clothes
in these um Now. She noted that if her followers
get sick with the coronavirus anyway, which you think might
suggest that maybe none of this actually works to prevent
the coronavirus whatsoever, But she provided instructions for people who
get the coronavirus anyway, saying quote, we can go into

(55:27):
hyper mode and we can be doing everything. And by
this she means that people who get the coronavirus should
start not just drinking bleach, but drinking it, spraying it
into their mouth and nose and loading it into a humidifier.
So if you could wrap it around your neck, that
would be helpful too. Yeah, is much like carry it
like one of those medievals plague sensors. Just like bleach

(55:50):
constantly spraying down your front. Now, a lot of people,
a heartbreaking number of people, Billy, dozens of them followed
Carrier of AERA's advice, which came with predictable and horrific
health consequences. Parents uploaded photos of their wounded children to
telegram in order to ask Carrie for advice in business.
Instrution Inside or republished several of these extremely disturbing excerpts

(56:10):
from the chat. So can you send Billy the first picture,
the one that has the picture the kid. This is
a This is part of a chat conversation in the
telegram thread and someone one of the parents posts, my
son suddenly has a rash. Anybody know what it is?
I've never seen it before, and it's a picture of
what looks like a very painful rash, like right on
the kid's chest. Um, kind of like on his pectoral area.

(56:34):
It looks really really nasty. Um and carry Rivera responded,
her Kimer vs. Side secondary effect c D or any
detox protocol item can cause a her Kimer reaction. Her
Kimer reaction is the body saying you were going too
fast at the detoxification and she used the wrong too
for that with the one oh my yeah yeah. Uh

(56:57):
So that actually counts as kind of responsible because she's
saying that they were going too fast with the bleaching
of their children, which is very different from her normal responses.
So another response that Business Insider included in their article
was a parent saying, it's a full moon, my son
is aggressive today. Um. And I I can say, as

(57:17):
a former special ed teacher, a lot of people even
within that field, have some beliefs about the full moon
and it impacting um, particularly autistic kids behavior. I don't
think there's any evidence of that, but it's something that
like a lot of parents and even caregivers talk about.
So this mom comes in and says it's full moon,
my son is aggressive today. Uh. And Carrie Rivera immediately
responds triple dose. And then in the next post Animals,

(57:42):
triple dose inemas, that's her. That's her response to a
kid being a little more aggressive one day than the other. Uh.
And I can say that even the people I worked
with in special ed whom had some maybe non non
scientific views about the full moon, none of none of
them gave kids multiple enemas as a response to aggression.

(58:02):
Mostly we had them practice in coloring books. But yeah, um,
some parents are both teachers, and they would come home
and they would say, I mean, not even about special kids.
They would just be like as a full moon Friday,
as they were sucking other minds today. Just that kind
of stuff where it's like that's a common thing. And
then for her to it, she just sounds like that

(58:24):
aggressive bro. It's like, oh, you need three shots. Bleach
that kid's asshole, bra Yeah, bleach it three times. Kids
being agro bleach that asshole. Yeah. In another exchange appearance,
you were the kid, You're like, the bleach is the
strongest of all billy I know. And now in another

(58:49):
exchange in this telegram channel, a parent complains to carry
that their child has a fever and a cold after
beginning her course of MMS. They write, we are on
two drops of chlorine dioxide. Didn't start enema yet, kid
got fever and cold. What should I do now? Question mark?
Can I continue chlorine dioxide? Carry responds, Stay on chlorine
dioxide sixteen times a day, chlorine dioxide, baths, chlorine dioxide,

(59:13):
oral chlorine dioxide, enema. If eating stops, then only baths
and enemas. I can't. Yeah, she's an unfathomably evil person
and deserves to be fired out of a cannon into
the sun. Um I don't Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm

(59:34):
usually fundamentally against the death penalty, you know, exceptions, exceptions, this,
This would be the only proof I would require as
a juror for like, yeah, let's just let's just let's
just get her out of here, let's just deal with
this person. Yeah, yeah, that one. Yeah, god, yeah, she's
a monster like that. If eating stops, then only baths

(59:58):
and enemas. Like you typed that, Carrie. You wrote that
with your own hands, and you didn't explode into a
ball of self loathing, and you charged people money for
you to write that to them. Like fucking hell, Like
at least when Paul Manafort funded and helped to spark

(01:00:19):
civil wars in multiple countries, killing hundreds of thousands of people.
I don't know how to finish that sentence. Um, I
hate them both. I bet they I bet they've hung out.
I feel like they've been in the same room probably before.
They're the same kind of person, and that I think
that like there's great. There's certain groups of people like

(01:00:41):
like you look at these kind of like financial criminals
who like ran a lot of the banks that led
us into the twos and eight crash, and that are
definitely in the process of fucking things up again today.
I think the right response, the right punishment to those
people is to take away all of their money and
to make them live like normal folks, work in a
normal a straight job, you know, hold down an apartment. Right. Um,
that's what you do to those people. Uh, that's the

(01:01:03):
worst punishment they can get. And I think that they
wouldn't be any danger to mankind if they their money
was gone and they just had to be a normal person.
And in fact, I think some of them might actually
be happier. But I think there's some people who are
fundamentally toxic and who will do whatever because of their need.
And I don't really understand what the need is, but
Carrie Rivera has it. You cannot stop this person from

(01:01:26):
giving dangerous life, alteringly toxic because kids have kids have
at least two kids have died taken chlorine dioxide. Kids
have been hospitalized and lost stomach lining, specifically from taking
Carrie's advice. Um, there is nothing that will stop my theory.
If we followed her story back deep enough to where

(01:01:49):
her zenith there is a tree or something falling on
her hand. Yeah, she's a tree headcase, right, Yeah, she
just has to be doing this. She can't stop her
fucking I hate. Yeah. So Carrie Rivera is a monster.
And I'm not a theologian billy, But I might describe
telling a parent to give their children chlorine baths and

(01:02:12):
enemas if they stop eating. Um, I might describe that
as violating Mark Grennan's commandment that members of the Genesis
to Church should work to overcome brutality. That seems brutal
to me. But I'm not a theologian billy. I didn't
go to theologian college theology. Uh so maybe I'm wrong
about that. If you're a theologian, let us know in
the comments if I have if I've gotten religion wrong. Um,

(01:02:35):
I'm gonna move back on to the Art Church Explanatory
Essay on the Genesis two website quote. This is under
the section titled our service to mankind consists of number one,
doing good deeds. Number two good health for all mankind.
Number three doing what is right, which seems like doing
good deeds, but I guess it needed a second. Yeah,

(01:02:57):
freedom for all mankind. Number four, Enlighten others with the truth.
Number five, helping one another. Number six, which also seems
like it falls under the doing good deeds. It's it's
number seven, maintain integrity in all things, which seems like
doing what is right. I feel like you've got maybe
actually three commandments there, but I I don't know. Again

(01:03:19):
not I don't. One if we're being honest, he's just like,
don't be a dick would kind of thing. I guess
you could say, don't be a dick. Good health for
all mankind. Yeah, maybe maybe two, but that's still part
of being not being a dick. It's being healthy, yea
care of yourself that it all falls into that I think, yeah,

(01:03:40):
it's it's not a good like really, the more I
read the Genesis to Church, the more approval I have
for at least kind of the amount of thinking that
went into the Ten Commandments, because those are all very
distinct commandments and they applied even if you're not really
that religious. They're like, this is a good set of rules.
You guys, you can't I'm not a big an of
the no God but God sort of thing, but like, yeah,

(01:04:03):
the whole you know, not murdering, that's a that's a
pretty I'm on board, right, Yeah, yeah, fine, yeah, yeah,
there's there's some good stuff in there that's not repeated.
I'm just saying, like, good work, Jehovah. Solid commandment writing.
Mark Grinn improves that it's actually pretty hard. So the

(01:04:25):
next get the confusing overall religious part of the Bible, though,
he gets that part where it contradicts itself, and he
gets that part pretty good. He does get, yeah, the
self contradictory part. And I don't know, Billy fingers crossed.
I think there might be a couple of genocides as
the result of this bleached church in the future, but well,
we we will see. Anything can happen in h Yeah,

(01:04:48):
the persecution is coming, so that part is going to come.
Yea and excited I told you, I am excited for
when the church, the bleached Church, splits into from the
people who think that you need to use bleach enemas
along with bleach in the mouth and the eyes, to
the people who just think you need to drink bleach,

(01:05:08):
and then those two sides start a war and like
one group winds up holding up in a castle in
the south of France and there's a horrible siege and
a massacre. Like I'm fucking really looking forward to that
that part of the Bleach Church's history. That's gonna be
some good times. The Bleach Crusades, Oh my god, gonna
be great. I'm kind of now that if you put

(01:05:28):
it that way. Yeah, I feel like I'll be one
of those people during this war just watching, just being
like they're fotting down on that heil down there, Isn't
it funny? Yeah? Yeah, because like the Crusades they tried
to like it started when they tried to retake Jerusalem,
and I guess for the bleached Churts it would be
like Beverly Hills. Yeah, that that feels right. I'm there's

(01:05:51):
some good heels to watch him too. That's great. There
is a great thing about l A. I'm looking forward
to that religious war. So the next paragraph of the
our Service to Mankind section is real, real good times,
because this is where we finally learned why the Genesis
to Church put such a focus on not uh worshiping

(01:06:12):
a God and instead focusing on helping people. And it's
because centering their church on any God or gods would
distract from the one true God of the Genesis to Church,
which is, of course Bleach. No. No, we do not
feel it is our mission to teach our members any
kind of beliefs beyond the technology of our sacramental protocol

(01:06:36):
water and any other cleansing technology of our healing sacraments.
We believe that it is each member's private responsibility to
form his or her own religious beliefs, and thus we
remain neutral to all the religious beliefs of our members.
So we don't talk about any specific God because our
God is Bleach slash sacramental protocol water. That is I

(01:07:02):
am very you know. One of the problems this church
is gonna have is when their equivalent of Martin Luther
nails his ninety five theses to the door of Mark
Grennan's house. All that bleach is gonna white out whatever
they've written on the papers, which is gonna make it
hard to have bleached Lutherans. It's wow. Yeah. So after

(01:07:24):
all this, the page goes on to outline the many
benefits of membership in the church. Mark states that the
main one is that you'll help Genesis to change the
world into a better place. He writes, quote, I mean
really change the world, not all the Mamby pamby stuff
that the religions have been spewing for the past thousands
of years, which is like taking a shot. That's like

(01:07:45):
me cutting an album like in my home, using nothing
but this empty jug of wine, and then being like
this is going to change the world. Not like that
namby Pamby bullshit. The Beatles put out what did they get?
A couple hundred million albums sales? Nobody knows is that ship? Hey, Jude,
go fund yourself like pet sounds Yeah, yeah, you call

(01:08:06):
yourself the beach boys. Nothing says the beach like me
blowing into a jug. It's it's it's great. I mean,
you gotta respect the hutzpah. Now, the other benefits that
mark lists of joining the Genesis Church include protection against
unwanted vaccinations. See joining the Genesis to Church means that

(01:08:28):
you are entitled to get a little card with your
face on it that you can give to your doctor
or to your kids school, and it states that your
religion forbids vaccinations, unwanted X rays or quote health insurance
mandated by human authority, which I think means that members
of the Genesis to Church get exempt from Obamacare or

(01:08:50):
presumably whatever single payer system the you're the European or
Australian ones they're under. So that's cool. Listen here, it
just feels like the dude start. I mean, it's like
any religion I understand, where it's like they keep writing
it as the hiccups come along, where it's like, hey,

(01:09:11):
there's some of these people have insurance and they're going
the doctor and this is really cutting into our sales.
So let's say that they're exempt from this so they
don't have to get Uh yeah, I mean I suspect
this is like part of a scheme to try to
exempt people from like you know how I think this
has changed under Trump, but it used to be that, like,
if you didn't sign up for Obamacare and you didn't

(01:09:33):
have health insurance through some other means, you paid an
additional tax. I'm guessing this is Mark Grinnin's way of
like trying to con people by saying, like, you won't
have to pay, you know, those taxes if you join
our church, which I don't think would actually exempt you
from that tax. But that's what I'm guessing is the
actual purpose of this. Yeah yeah, God said I didn't
have to take my ail sets, but I still get

(01:09:55):
to be a lawyer. Uh, billy, I think you have
just hit upon the world's whist religion. Okay, yeah, lawyerism.
This is this. This, this is the like, if you
join our church, you are legally a lawyer and can
then represent yourself in court when the government raids your
small mountain compound because you haven't been paying taxes. I object, well,

(01:10:18):
lawyer is m if you think libertarians argued, Yeah, yeah.
So the next thing membership grants you is the ability
to purchase health products of all kinds in any quantity,
which I think mainly means bleach in this context. So
paid membership costs thirty five dollars per adult, and you
also have to pay like half as much per child,

(01:10:40):
plus twenty dollars per year, and it entitles you to
a photo I D that lists your rights. Uh In
notes that the church will prosecute anyone caught violating them.
Mark Grennan notes children twelve and below our half price,
and each child should carry one of these cards, especially
to prevent vaccinations. Oh man, so good, it's so cool

(01:11:02):
and so good. Where are you as a child that
you could accidentally get vaccinated? They believe they believe. I
don't think Mark Grinnan believes could think Mark grinn is
a con man, but they have convinced a bunch of
very dumb and scared parents to believe that there's people
like lurking in the fucking bushes, doctors trying to like
vaccinate your kids with poison um like that. That's not

(01:11:25):
far off from what a lot of these folks believe.
So I think that's kind of where they're coming from.
So Billy, as we enjoyed laughing about last time. Members
of the church can also pay to become Ministers of health,
either in seminars conducted by Grinning around the world or
in online classes. Grinnan notes the training is very thorough
and includes doing and using all the sacraments protocols on oneself.

(01:11:47):
Each student learns all the technical data of why MMS
works and sacraments for most diseases of mankind. Finally, there
is an exam to test your mental proficiency of the
g two sacraments. Now, you might notice that term health minister,
which is used by Grinnin on the official website, is
different from the title reverend doctor, which church founder Jim
Humble used when advertising the same thing. And this is

(01:12:10):
a running theme with the genesis to Church responsible like
UM like like. Journalists who have covered them will note
that in different places and by on the websites of
different people, MMS is both stated to stand for Miracle
Mineral Solution and Magical Mineral Solution UM, which is a
thing like respectable medical training establishments always use wildly different

(01:12:30):
terms for the exact same thing. Like that's a fine thing.
It's like how we also called doctors jimbo Jones and
both of those terms are equal. I don't know, I
don't know what it's like. It's not like any of
because people are scam artists. Now, on his website, Mark
Grennan insists that quote no one in the history of
man has had as much in ability to heal as
many diseases with as much certainty, and he's referring to

(01:12:53):
the the ministers who trained in his bleaching program. Medical doctors,
for instance, will in their entire lifetime heal less people
than one of our active ministers will heal in one year. Doctors, Yeah,
if all you're doing is pouring, bleaching people's throats and
calling them cured, that is easier than treating actual sick people.

(01:13:14):
It takes so long to heal a broken leg, Billy,
it does. It's it's incredibly compa Yeah, gunshot wounds those
can take years to heal from. But if you're just
pouring bleaching people, so much easier. These idiot doctors learning
how to do stuff like set bones and run ventilators
when all they need is bleached. All I need it,

(01:13:35):
that's Billy. I just came up with a new hit
song from my Better than the Beatles one Man jug band,
All you Need is Bleached, set to the tune of
nothing else that's ever been sung before. It's totally original,
I think, just with a hint of reggae underneath. We
got oh yeah, oh fuck yeah, dude. As much reggae

(01:13:56):
as you can get into a man blowing into a
jug that's probably a reggat anything. So the Genesis to
Church also notes that the kind of certificate that you
get is experienced based, So once you've healed ten people,
you can request and pay more for a bishop certificate.

(01:14:16):
So that's really the line to become a bishop. So
we could be bishop doctors. Huh, I don't. I'm I'm
pretty ambitious, so I'm in you know, see, it's one
of those things. The state of New Jersey has officially
recognized me as a reverend doctor. That's not a joke.
That's a thing that's happened. I have the certificate, so
I am already legally a reverend doctor. But I could

(01:14:37):
become a reverend doctor bishop, which that's thirty three more official.
I'm asking anyone that has the power and anywhere but
New Jersey make me reverend doctor. So we could. So
the race is onto who becomes this bishop first, and
then we can have a bishop contest. So if you,
if you have the ability to to get a state

(01:14:59):
legislature to recognize someone officially recognize Billy as a reverend
doctor and also recognized me as a bishop. Um oh man, Billy.
What if I were to move onto a small town
in the middle of rural Idaho, start manufacturing a legal weapon,
stop paying taxes, and also run for sheriff, then I
could be sheriff, reverend doctor, Bishop Evans, and I would

(01:15:23):
I would could I get I would like dual citizenship
with the United States and whatever you decided to call
your sovereign country. Yeah, yeah, we will succeed very quickly,
like basically immediately. Yeah. No, that's I just felt that
I would be redundant to say that you would succeed,
but that was I would like dual citizenship. Yeah yeah, Now, Billy,

(01:15:47):
the whole Genesis to website is a real comedy gold mine,
or at least it would be if children weren't being
tortured with bleach based on these nonsensical teachings. The next
section of the explainer page on that website is simply
titled who are we, and it answers that question with
the Genesis to Church of Health and Healing, a most
unusual church, which is not inaccurate. It's very unusual. Although

(01:16:07):
the church part I disagree with. Now. This is followed
immediately by a quote attributed to Archbishop Mark Grinning. And
remember he's the one who wrote this. So he's wrote this,
and he's quoting himself in it. And here's what he
quotes himself as saying, nothing is lawfully right, that is
morally wrong. I mean immediately, that's yeah, I will kick

(01:16:29):
you in the nuts because you are full as ship. Yeah,
it's awesome. It's so good that all of this has
been allowed to continue up to this point. So the
the FDA letter to Mark um demanded that he stopped
selling drinking bleach, that he takes action to inform his
followers that he lied about its powers, and that he
refund their money. Um And in his response letter to them,
Mark was unequivocal about his rejection of government's power to

(01:16:51):
stop him from telling people to bleach away their problems.
He closed it out by writing, we can say here
he'll and treat as a free church. Don't need your
approove voler authorization for a church sacrament. There will be
no corrective actions on our part. You have no authority
over us, never going to happen. That's official. That's how

(01:17:11):
unofficial would write it. Now that's do you think do
you think he took that to like a notary to
get that notarized in there? Like, I mean, I don't
notorize it. I don't. Yeah, I knowing Mark grinn and
his notary would be just pouring a little dabble a
bleach on the end there. That's a seal so ant stamped.

(01:17:36):
I will say though, in that last statement, Mark Grennan's
bleached church is in lockstep with a pretty significant chunk
of the Trumpett wing of the American conservative movement. And
this is where things get real dark. Uh. Now, I
made a point of noting that it's very unlikely that
Trump's disinfectant remarks were a direct signal to the bleached Church,
but that doesn't mean that there's been no buy into

(01:17:56):
the bleach could by powerful Republican figures. You ever heard
of all and Keys, Billy Wayne? Yeah. Dr Allen L. O.
Keys not in any way a medical doctor. Is a
Harvard University graduate and a veteran of the US Foreign Service.
He served at consulates in India and Zimbabwe, and he
was made an ambassador to the U n by President
Ronald Reagan. He is a famed arch conservative hardliner with

(01:18:19):
a long series of failed election bids and an equally
long history of being backed by Republican leaders. Reagan himself
endorsed keys is nine senate run. I'm gonna quote now
from The Daily Beast. In two thousand and four, he
made headlines for abruptly moving to Chicago to run against
Barack Obama than a state senator. On the campaign trail,
Keys was vocally anti abortion and anti gay, infamously calling

(01:18:40):
Vice President Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter a selfish hedonist. After
the two thousand eight presidential election, Keys became a member
of the birther movement, which falsely charged that Obama was
not born in the United States. He has since traveled
in a paranoid wing of the GOP, authoring articles for
the conspiracy heavy sight World Net Daily. Nevertheless, Keys has
more mainstream cloud than some of his fellow travelers. He

(01:19:00):
hosted a short lived MSNBC show, Alan keys Is Making
Sense in two thous two and spoke at s Pack
this year. So Keys is, we will say, not the
most mainstream Republican figure, but he is very much in
the broad Republican movement and mainstream enough that he got
to speak at Fucking Cepack. Alan Keys is also a

(01:19:22):
big old fan of drinking Bleach in the Church of
Drinking Bleach. He first met with Mark and Jonathan Grinning
in August of two eighteen, and after that meeting he
began increasingly touting the benefits of MMS. His current platform
is the far right video channel i am TV, which
mainly exists to push the work of dr Allen L. Keys.
His show, Let's Talk America, is the star program for

(01:19:43):
the network. Alan has had a number of MMS touting guests,
including Mike Adams, founder of Natural News, former Bastards, pod
uh Subject, and a regular Info Wars co host. Another
host on the I m TV network, Robert Sisson, has
hosted Mark Grennan to talk about MMS. Now. The good
news is that I MTV is still a decidedly fringe endeavor.

(01:20:04):
The channel streams on Roku in YouTube. I can't tell
you its exact size, but it has only three hundred
followers on YouTube. This might lead you to reject and
ignore it completely, and I want to caution people against
doing that. I'm going to quote The Daily Beast again
to explain why I MTV describes itself as a news
channel backed by Dr Alan Keys, although that support might
not necessarily be financial. Sissan has also described another kind

(01:20:26):
of backing, spiritual support from Uganda. I AMTV operates a
new studio out of Uganda and has released multiple videos
showing Cissan and Keys in the country together, although those
videos primarily show the pair engaged in church ministry. Sissan
has said that they distributed chlorine dioxide to locals. We've
been doing this for years in Africa and treating literally
thousands and thousands and thousands of people with all kinds

(01:20:48):
of remarkable stories from people who are left to die
because they've been poisoned. Uh and it cures that in
just a few hours, he said in an August video
titled Chlorine Dioxide Update. Though i MTV does not appear
to have uploaded fotage of its affiliates distributing mms in Uganda,
other chlorine dioxide distributors in Uganda have posted pictures of
themselves feeding the mixture to children. So that's good. Kids

(01:21:10):
are being kids are being bleached in Uganda thanks to
this guy. Um and he's got some steak in it.
Then Alan Keys has done, has given it out himself. Yeah, yeah,
he's got some money in it, That's all I mean,
because I was just like, what's his angle here, because
at first I was like, well, maybe it's just like

(01:21:30):
getting the followers some power and it's money. He's uh yeah. Now,
Uganda authorities have already arrested at least one American Probate
Bleach activist in the past for poisoning children, which is
a real sentence about a thing that happened. Um, this
does not seem to have had an impact on people
like Sisson and Keys, though. In in October two, nineteen

(01:21:52):
edition of Keys Show, Robert Sisson stated, I'm convinced that
chlorine dioxide is going to be what God uses to
bring down big Pharma. He directed listeners to the Genesis
to website and told them to buy MMS. Then he
went on to add, I do know that it will
detoct your body and then God himself will heal you
where And we're finding in like in Uganda, curing malaria
and poisoning and diabetes and aids. By the way, it's amazing.

(01:22:14):
Alan Keys, who was again a recent invited guest speaker
at Sea Pack, listened to this and then stated that
Cissan's claims are quote why I was so interested in
MMS and going to Uganda so far? So. In conclusion, Billy,
the Bleach Church and its profits are profoundly silly and
they don't deserve to be taken seriously, but the impact
and the spread of their dangerous beliefs has to be

(01:22:35):
taken seriously. When we ignore groups like this, we allow
them to spread and metastasized through our society. Trump's words
have added fuel to their movement. It is no longer
an option to just pretend we can ignore these people.
And again, the article that just came out today from
Vice quotes Carry Rivera and a number of other people
who have been very bullish about Trump's bleached Trump's disinfectment statements, saying,

(01:22:57):
in one case, a person wrote, this is a major
opportunity to begin a discussion about a timely and interesting
application of chlorine dioxide. It's worth noting that the only
person not super happy about all this in recent days
has been Mark Grennan, because his church has attracted FDA
attention and they seem to be seriously pursuing them, he
wrote recently on the April Yeah, that is good. Um.

(01:23:19):
He wrote on the twenty April things have been happening
folks in the last week or two. That is not good.
This insanity has to stop. Um yeah, yeah. He wrote
that three U S. Marshals had quote put a restraining
order on our church door. Um, so that's kind of
like Martin Luther. So I guess maybe that's our reform. Um.

(01:23:41):
I don't know, but they seem serious about it. This
story is developing, and unfortunately you and I are going
to wind up talking about the bleached church again. I know,
I know, I know. We might never stop doing that.
And it's our pentance for all the machety stuff. It is.
It is we made a lot of money. Yeah m hm,

(01:24:06):
so it's our pentance. The universe is a motherfucker. I
will say the f d A has supported and approves
of machetes as a treatment for any and all ailments.
It is the only one true medicine. So buy a
machete today, um, and swing it in a wide arc
around your body when you go out, and I guarantee

(01:24:27):
you will not get close enough to anyone to spread
COVID nineteen. That's the beauty of a machete. That's facts. Muh.
Do we die? No horrificking bummed out. So, Billy, do

(01:24:48):
you have anything you would like to plug that part? Oh? Yes,
uh yeah, sorry. You can follow me at Billy Wayne
Davis on Twitter and Instagram. Uh and then that's where
I'll post any new information. And I have a new

(01:25:09):
podcast called Grown Local, which is about the people in
places of the cannabis communities around our country. First season
is about Eugene, Oregon. Hey, Robert, do you have anything
that you would like to plug or promote? I have
a podcast called The Women's War, which is about a

(01:25:30):
trip I took to Syria that wound up being the
most inspiring and least depressing things that has happened to
me in the last three or four years. Uh and
I think it provides an inspiring roadmap for how society
could be uh rebuilt in the face of collapse in
a positive and non toxic direction that might be healthier
than a lot of what we're doing right now. So

(01:25:51):
people should take a take a listen, take a gander.
I also want to note that I have currently this
week launched a fundraiser for There is an organization in Portland,
the Portland Diaper Bank, that is attempting to provide diapers
to low income mothers, basically people who can't afford diapers
because they're expensive and you need a lot of them

(01:26:11):
for babies. Uh. Normally they're able to collect funds to
to do this for a year, UM, but they have recently,
as a result of the COVID nineteen pandemic, had trouble
getting donations from within Portland. UM. When I started the
fundraiser this morning, they were about ten thousand, seven hundred
raised of their dollar goal for the year, and that's
a year of diapers for low income, largely single mothers

(01:26:32):
in Portland. They're now almost at thousand. So please if
you go to go fund me and type in COVID
nineteen response and diaper need, you will find the go
fund me. Also, if you go to my Twitter profile
I at I write okay um okay to letters, you
will find my pinned tweet has a link to the
go fund me. So please consider donating help them out.

(01:26:55):
They could really use it. It's a good cause. There's
a lot of necessary causes honest Lee right now, but UH,
poor mothers being able to provide diapers to their babies
is a good thing. It's a single problem that can
be solved by the people who listen to the show,
and that would be one less problem in the world.
So please COVID nineteen response and diaper need on go

(01:27:16):
funds me. Yeah, that's the episode. Everybody, have a good
rest of your day and wash your hands, and don't
drink bleach. Yeah, avoid avoid drinking bleach. Maybe a little bit,
maybe a little bit, maybe maybe a self you're gonna

(01:27:38):
a joke test or something coming up. I've just I
just don't do that. Motherfucker's I just get well, that's
the episode.

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