The Mueller Report Episode

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hmm, what's obstructing my justice? Says I'm Robert Evans. This
is Behind the Bastards. Uh. There's actually a special crossover
episode of of Behind the Bastards and the Daily Zeite Guist,
and I have Jack O'Brien and Miles Gray on with
me where we're calling this Behind the zeit Geist Daily Bastards.

(00:23):
I'm eating right now because yeah, rip ourselves away from
the microphones just to come back to other microphones, and
we don't even have time to eat because we need
to make that tent. I thought it was an entire
pie that you're eating because it's in the pie ten,
but it's not. We're talking about the Mueller Report today. Yeah. Yeah,
So yesterday Thursday, the Mueller Report dropped like a Beyonce album,

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but with with a lot of lead times and not
out of nowhere. Uh. And I read all of it
over the course of like I don't know, nine or
ten hours or so, and I took eleven thousand words
of notes and now I'm going to read them all
to you guys, and words of a lot of its
copy paste. So what would that be like a Rihanna
album who drops their album with lots of lead times,

(01:07):
like actually years of lead time. Dr Dre doctors, we
still don't have detox. I have thought that there's a
lot of similarities between Dre and Robert Mueller. Oh absolutely, yeah, absolutely,
they're both O g s that is true. Yeah, or
ones and O g ones A G man Yeah, ones
and O g ones in original g but not the

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best in the bids for nothing folks, yea what just
general thoughts on Robert Mueller's prose style? Uh? Not not great?
Could he use an editor? Like a lot of buried leads? Um,
you know, maybe you know copy editing is good, but
maybe maybe somebody to kick it up. A notch present
presentation of ideas could have been a little more effective,

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could have been a little bit more fun. That was
a sprite, not a beer. Huh sure, Miles, Yeah, Miles
has a sprite. But I have a bunch of throwing
bagels because this is going to be a frustrated comes
armed as per usual, he will throw in bagels, all right,
I guess before we get into it, well, have you guys,
have you guys read much of the report? I've read

(02:11):
probably many articles with excerpts that would amount to maybe
fifteen pages. Okay, by reading are based at this point. Yeah,
I did a lot of that too. I want to
start by talking about William Barr, the current Attorney General
a little bit before we we get into the report itself.
We're gonna talk about him much in the report because

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he's not in the report, but I think a little
bit of his background is useful for understandable context of
his behavior, a track record of the context that he
gave us. Yeah, I would, I would call him the lies,
yeah absolutely, yeah. Yeah. But like this is like in
his playbook. Yeah, this is home runs. He's done like this. Yeah. Yeah.

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So in nine is Assistant Atorney General William Barr drew
some ire for authoring a legal opinion that stated that
the FBI had the right to abduct people in foreign
countries without the approval of the governments of those host countries.
When this became an issue before Congress, Uh, he was
asked to hand over a full copy of that memo,
and he refused and instead offered to summarize its key points. Uh. Yeah,

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he's got a got a playbook that hasn't changed in
thirty years. Um. According to former d o J legal
advisor Ryan Goodman, Bar quote admitted some of the most
consequential and incendiary conclusions from the actual opinion, which forced
Congress to issue with subpoena to find that opinion. If
you may notice, as with some words switched around the
same thing that happened with the Muller reports, very interesting

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nine abducting back then Noriega, Oh got I gotta go,
who I think was a cool dude. He was not
looking at that at all. Yeah. I mean, well, it's
funny because like before this, right, Bush was trying to
figure out how to get Noriega out, and first like, oh,
it would be it would be tight if the Panamanians
like overthrew them, but you know, I don't want to.
I don't want to tell what to do, and they

(04:00):
being like, please do something, please do something, please do something.
We'll help you. Maybe we won't. And then they failed.
There was like a failed to attempt. And then it
got to the point where I'm sure they were just like,
al right, how the fund do we just like send
our people into we just abduct him? Yea. William Barr says, yes, yeah. Now.
In during Barr's first run as Attorney General, the news
broke that the Reagan administration had kind of secretly given

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billions of dollars in loans and military aid to Saddam.
Who's saying when we went to war with Saddam, Who's saying,
some of Bush's officials doctored documents in order to hide
this fact. Six separate congressional investigations were convened to look
into the matter. The House Judiciary Committee asked bar to
launch an independent council investigation, and he said no, which

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is the first time that an Attorney general ever refused
such a request. Huh yeah, wow, So already we're not
We're not gonna be looking at that setting new precedence.
I mean, that's the one thing he has a good
track record of. William Barr is the homie if you
if you get him in, he's gonna do like literally whatever.
Need you know that episode of Breaking Bad when when
Jesse's girlfriend o'ds on heroin and they call in Mike

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to to clean up the body and everything so that
when the cops come nothing incriminating will be found. William
Barr is the that guy of attorney general's. Yeah he's
like Mike, Yeah, yeah, he's the Mike, but with like
less no with as much dirty work. Yeah, he's good
at dirty work, far less likable. Ye, William Erman trout
because we all we all wound up on Mike's side
by the end of Breaking Bad. But but I'm not

(05:28):
on William Barr side. Yeah. I mean the other thing though,
yet with the whole memo was just like the level
of how he first said it was like, it only
has to do with domestic law. It was like, you
don't need it doesn't matter because it's just about domestic law.
And to know that when they actually got it, they're like,
this has to do with so much more. This is
this is all of you can be the Fourth Amendment,

(05:51):
like all these good things. Yeah, he he left some
critical stuff out, and hearing all that, you won't be
surprised to hear that bar summary of the Mueller report
left out some key facts as well, not just key
facts about the president. For one thing that omitted a
fascinating little crime drama wherein Eric Prince and Michael Flynn
tried to get their grubby little hands on Hillary Clinton's
near mythical thirty thousand deleted Clinton emails. Um, this is

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like one of the most interesting parts of the whole
document to me, because the report reveals that Trump essentially
repeatedly asked Flynn General Flynn to acquire Hillary Clinton's emails
for him, and one of the through lines of the
report is that Flynn is literally the only loyal person
who was ever in Donald Trump's orbit, and so unlike
unlike everyone else who works for Trump who was solely
interested in themselves, Flynn was like, yeah, I mean, my

(06:35):
boss wants these emails. I'm gonna try and get these
motherfucking emails. Um. He just needed someone to give him orders. Again.
He loves getting orders. He loves getting orders. Um. So
he worked with a lady named Barbara Ledean who was
a former GOP staffer. Uh, and she actually managed to
get her hands on what she believed was a tranche
of Clinton emails. And that's when Michael Flynn teamed up

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with our old buddy Echo Papa Eric Prince, and he
funded the effort to verify the Clinton emails, which showed
that they were in fact bullshit made to trick the
g O p UM. So that's that's neat, fun little
you get a fun little ninety minutes of uh, you know,
you cut that into a well yeah. Um, So, as
I said, I read the whole report in one like blurred,

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frenzied eight hour or nine hour whatever session. I'm not
a lawyer, and I won't pretend to have understood all
the different arguments about constitutional law that the report makes.
That kind of my eyes glaze over on that. Well,
that's why you have me here, That's why I have
you here, famous constitutional law scholars. Gray Um. But it
does seem from everything else I read about it that
one of the things Mueller makes very clear at the

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end is that he believes that Trump's status as the
president does not make him immune to charges of obstruction
of justice. And he also makes it clear that the
crime of of conspiracy with the Russian government does not
have to have been committed for Trump to have committed
obstruction of justice by trying to obstruct the whole which
was the sort of logic William Barr was using. Yeah,

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and like that's like the most repeat like the refrain
if if this is one page long song, like like
if this is American pie, the the refrain of the
song the bye Bye Miss American pieline is Mueller saying,
I'm not saying Trump didn't commit crimes. I'm not saying
Trump crimes, like, very very clearly and repeatedly. Um yeah,

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that's like one of the most commonly repeated things I
know because William Barr, famous truth teller, he said, well
that the whole conspiracy thing wasn't a crime, so like,
how can you obstruct something's not even crimes? It's like,
you know, and he was mad. Fuck. So it is
remarkable how much of it is just like and this
is like Chris Christie repeatedly told Donald Trump. Like that's

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another thing that's in there is Christie repeatedly saying just
don't do anything, Just don't do anything. He didn't collude
with the Russian government, Just don't do anything and it'll
be fine. And Trump being like, well, fuck, Chris Christie,
that's what the that It's like. Really, it's one of
the weird things about this document is the people who
come across as like paragons of sanity, and one of

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them is Chris Christie, which is how you know you're
in a point. So sorry, I'm just going back to
the beginning here. Um yeah, I felt like we didn't
need to read after so I read the New York
Post cover that said the Mueller Report, Trump cleaned, no
crimes committed, dem hoax destroyed. And then I read the

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bar summary. Why would we need to go any deeper
than that? I don't well, I don't know. Jack. Let's
talk about that for over. Let's say like an hour
and a half something like that, you know, alright, Uh,
let's get into it. So another big reveal, uh, concerned
the infamous P tape, first revealed to the public, much
on the line Steal dossier. The P tape was apparently
a major subject of discussion among people close to Trump

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and the weeks before the election. Two weeks prior to
the election, a Russians, Russian businessman texted this to Michael Cohen, quote,
stop the flow of tape from Russia, but not sure
if there's anything else, just so you know, dot dot
dot Yeah, flow tapes. Yeah, the flow of tape. And
this is before the election, before this is before any

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anyone out in the world was talking about tapes. Yeah,
BuzzFeed had not dropped I think, um, John McCain had
taken the report, had like made a note of the
report to the FBI because he'd seen it, but like
BuzzFeed hadn't dropped it. Yet um, Now, the Special Council
apparently talked to this Russian businessman whose name I just
cannot pronounce and I'm not going to trumpet find it.

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Russian businessman who explained to Cohen that these tapes were
compromising tapes of Trump's Trump rumored to be held by
persons associated with the Russian real estate conglomerate Crocus Group,
which had helped host the two Miss Universe pageant in Russia.
Uh this guy insisted that the tapes were fake when
he was talked to by the Special Council, so he
told the Muhler investigation that the p tapes were faked,
but Cohen did not know that at the time. So

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that that's the most seeing stuff up front. The rest
of what we have to talk about. It's going to
be a lot less organized because we're basically just going
through my raw notes, some of which will be sensible
and some of which may not be, since by the
end of the read I was pretty stir crazy and
also very very inebriated. So this will this will get
less logical as we go along. All right, Yeah, looking
at that doc, we're using wing dings or web dings.

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Are there other thoughts, Oh wow, and you know what,
just go on ahead, man. So, uh, the the report
starts off with what, under normal, sane circumstances would be
a pretty damning sentence, the Russian government interfered in the
two thousand sixteen presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion.
Um Again, like that's one of the first lines. But

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compared to based on everything else, it almost doesn't even
make an impact if we're living in a rational universe
where the Trump administration was treated like other presidential administrations.
The fact that that is the beginning of the report
and the President has been saying for years, we don't
know if Russia. Clue, we don't know if it was Russia,

(12:02):
and just constantly equivocating and you know, just standing for Russia. Basically,
that would be a big story. People would be like,
huh so now he knows, Like, now we know he
was wrong. And the MULTA report clearly says that they
intervened on his behalf and he's still lying on their behalf.

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That's just weird. Yeah, the most the question I had
most going through this first part of the report that
talks about Russian medaling is just like, this feels like
an act of war. Like, not that I'm in favor
of a war with Russia, but like this feels like
a digital pearl Harbor. Um. And it's pretty pretty shocking.
A lot of this stuff about the Internet Research Agency

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was out from pre prior subpoenas and whatnot, but seeing
it all put together here is um, it's really shocking.
The report makes it clear that the Russians definitely wanted
Trump to win and that they took substantial effort to
ensure that he did. Describes the social media campaign that
they ran as have favored Trump and disparaged Hillary Clinton. However, quote,
the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump

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campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its
election interference activities. Um. So the the reports are still
care for to note that in a statement that the
investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean that
there was no evidence of those facts. So he's saying,
we didn't find hard proof that they conspired with the

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Russian government. However, we did find some evidence that they
conspired with the Russian government, just not enough to make
it a chargeable offense. He says that, specifically in reference
to the collusion immediately after. Yeah, yeah, well and he
okay taught speaking about collusion. Um. In making the report,
Muller applied the framework of conspiracy law to determine whether
quote collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime rather

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than collusion, because, as he notes, collusion is not actually
a crime with the definition under federal criminal law. It's
just a word people have been using. But like, as
in terms of the FBI's job, it's an irrelevant term.
Is like, there's no way legally to determine it. Uh.
Muller notes, in connection with that analysis, we address the
factual question of whether members of the Trump campaign coordinated,

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a term that appears in the appointment Order, which is
the order that established a special counsel's investigation with Russian
election interference activities. Now kind of confusingly, the report notes
that coordination doesn't have a definition under federal criminal law either,
but they defined coordination is requiring an agreement tacit or
express between the campaign and the Russian government. So like
that's sort of the framework under which Mueller is trying

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to analyze. The goal posts are pretty far out. Yeah,
the goalpost far out, And it's surprising how many field
goals they still kick. Does that make Does that make sense? Okay,
good job man, I don't go Uh yeah, no, nice,
well done. My favorite squad running. Uh. And it's how

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many h field goals they kick and make and they
have to actually successfully the field goals, not just kick
them in their landing thirty yards short. Anyways, let's talk
about the sports analogy a little bit. Um So, under
this definition, they did not find coordination between the campaign

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and the Russian government. In other words, Russia helping the
Trump campaign win and the Trump campaign knowingly taking their help,
which is documented, did not count as coordination because there
was no tacit or express agreement to interfere with the
election behind it. Right. It's one of those things where
it's like they're not saying at Putin, Putin at Russia,
dot gov or dot are you sorry? I have more respect? Uh?

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With subject headline, Hey, when do we want to drop
the emails? This is what I'm thinking, because yeah, it's
really tough when more more or less, it was just
sort of like, I think the Russians are kind of
help hooking it up. Yeah, And it was it was
just like about it. We know that these documents were
hacked by someone. We know they're going to be released
through wiki leaks. A lot of people are saying it's Russia.
Trump just keeps saying, I don't think it's Russia. But

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we know the documents are going to release, and we're
planning weeks ahead of time how we're going to exploit
what we know is going to come out in the releases.
But because it's it's not, it's not Vladipoop picking up
the phone and being like, hey guys, got some documents,
Like it's there's there's additional layers of of of obscurement
to it. Um Now, there are a couple of cases

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where it is almost that direct, which we'll get to.
Um So, Russia's efforts to influence the election, we're focused
mostly around either the g r U, which is Russian intelligence,
or the Internet Research Agency, which is essentially a private
company that's also part of the Russian intelligence infrastructure. Now
the i RA, which I will be referring to, even
though it's kind of confusing because it's not the RA

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just killed a lady up in dairy. Uh. The IRA
started its infiltration of the US by sending agents over
in two thousand fourteen. This is implied to be the
beginning of their election infiltration efforts, but the details are
all redacted out of harm to ongoing matter. Um, so
there's a lot that's redacted in like relation to the
i RA uh and it's later in the document quote.

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IRA employees traveled to the United States in mid two
thus fourteen on an intelligence gathering mission to obtain information
and photographs for use in their social media posts. So
they were taking pictures of Americans and locations that they
could make more compelling fake people on the Internet to
pretend to be American activists. That's interesting that actually happened.
Like they didn't just use Google image search. They went

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and took pictures because they knew that it would be
possible to trace the images back. And Yeah, when I
think about what I do online, when I suspect someone
is like a fake person, it's like the first thing
you do is do a reverse Google image shirts. So
they didn't want that to be possible. Yeah uh quote IRA.
The ai AS operation also included the purchase of political
advertisements on social media and the names of US persons

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and entities, as well as the staging of political rallies
inside the United States To organize those rallies, ira A
employees posed as US grassroots entities and persons and made
contact with Trump supporters and Trump campaign officials in the
United States. The investigation did not identify evidence that any
US persons conspired or coordinated with the i RA. So
they definitely worked with the ira and supported their efforts,

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but they thought they were there. There's no evidence they
thought they were anything but US based activists, because there
were there were even examples of like Trump retweeting through
some social media site like one of the IRAS protests
that they were like a pro Trump thing that they
were gathering. But there's no necessary way that Trump would
have owned that they weren't just a normal group of supporters. Yeah,
that would have required him to do more more research

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into that than anything he's ever done. Yeah, which of
course he didn't like. Yeah, but I mean, at that point,
they're operating in a way that's supposed to come off
as sincere as possible. Um, so we get even like,
I don't think we needed any more confirmation that Goose
offer two point oh was the g r U and
that the d n C leaks were part of a
Russian government operation. But what, oh, Miles, are you serious? Yeah,

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I'm sorry man, if you even I thought he was
some hacker dude in his basement, Yeah, and his mom's
basement with his blood type of mountain dew blah blah blast. Yeah.
I mean they the g r U are big fans
of Baja blast. That's very well documented. Uh so um.
It notes that Wiki leaks made its first releases in

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July of two thousand and sixteen, like within days of
candidate Trump announcing that he hoped Russia would recover emails
described as missing from a private server. So it like
essentially it states very clearly that the g r U
a lot of their hacking efforts to try to get
her emails started within a couple of days of Trump saying, uh,
I hope that the Russians get her emails, like he

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said that, and they started certain like spear fishing attempts
to break into Clinton email accounts. That's new. Yeah, yeah,
that is new. It started days after he said that
was you know, And I didn't take down the exact
length of time, but I think it was within like
forty eight hours. It was very close. So it's not
like so yeah, yeah, before you could have thought, well,
this is probably ongoing. Rather yeah, he literally said hey,

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I hope you should do that, and they started spearfish.
I've always thought people pointing to that part, like him
saying that in his speech, as like evidence that he
was coordinating or trying to coordinate with Rush. I've always
taken that as like, yeah, but he was like clearly
just doing his Trump thing and up there riffing and
ship like that. But it seemed like that's crazy that

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they were like yes, yes, sir, yes, your honor. Yeah. Yeah.
It was like, uh yeah, it was. It was pretty nuts.
Um well I think yeah, I guess even if there
isn't if you don't think it's they were in direct contact.
It was definitely that like that was information they needed
to be like, oh okay, this is this will help. Yeah,

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it's It's worth noting that they had penetrated the d
n C in June, so before Trump ever said anything,
they had already started getting emails and stuff from the
d n C. But they SUSPENSI they like specifically started
spear fishing, which is essentially when you send out a
bunch of emails to like people whose accounts you want
to compromise that have things that if they click like
it might, it'll be like, oh, log in because your

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bank account and then it's a website I created. Yeah.
So they started targeting Clinton aids and people like associated
with Hillary Clinton UM on a wider scale immediately after that. So, like,
that's one of the more damning things that's in the
whole report. UM, even though that's obviously not necessarily evidence
of coordination, because it's possible and in fact probably that
what happened is Trump speaking out of his ass because

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it sounded good and tough, and the Russians being like, yeah,
we we can do more of that. Why not? Um,
But is also pretty damning in a normal political environment. Yeah,
I mean I don't care about stuff like that. I mean,
it's very easy for him to say that, speaking out
of his ass, because he was just in three meetings
where people were like, damn it, it would be really

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great for our campaign if we had the Clinton emails.
And he just goes out there and like says it
out of his ass and they're like, oh, we probably
shouldn't say that, but he can because he's a fucking clown,
and the Russians are like, got it. Like yeah, I
mean that's the core. It is effectively coordinating, even if
it's not like the legal definition of them like getting

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on the phone or like legally uh you know something
that we can prove. Yeah, well, but he would have
to know that the Russians were going to do that,
and that was all part like that it was all
coming from there, right, rather than like sort of subconsciously
expressing a desire that they could pick up on. And
I guess the reason coordinating is so dangerous is because
you're you know, bringing like one person's illicit like planned

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to attack the Democrats into like alongside yours. That's why
the like sharing, pulling information and like strategic information that
Manifort did is so you know that is so significant
because that's what makes it particularly effective is you're you know,
targeting the same areas, the same types of people. And

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I mean obviously Trump wanted her email, so it's just yes,
like it doesn't technically rise to the level, but like
when you're looking at like what we need to keep
a sane electoral process, like not being able to jokingly
tell somebody to help your campaign by doing an illegal thing. Yeah,

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is probably should be something we take into account. We
should we should make that be uh illegal in the future.
It seems like a gap in our current because sixty
years ago that wouldn't have really been a thing people
could do, and now it is. Yeah anyway, Um, Sophie's

(23:35):
giving me the two fingers sign, which means it's time
for you. Guys are better at transitions. That was amazing one.
I actually got freaked out when you did that. Haunted. Yes, yes,
by these ghosts. We're back. So uh. One of the

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things that report makes really clear is what a staggering
success the Internet Research Agency's influence campaign was. Uh Facebook
at all were no in no way prepared for this,
and we're essentially perfect victims. Quote. Instagram accounts had hundreds
of i RA Instagram accounts had hundreds of thousands of
US participants. Ira A controlled Twitter accounts separately had tens
of thousands of followers, including multiple US political figures who

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retweeted ira created content. In November two thousand seventeen, a
Facebook representative testified that Facebook had identified four hundred seventy
ira A controlled Facebook accounts that collectively made eighty thousand
posts between January two thousand fifteen August two thousand seventeen,
Facebook estimated the ira A reached as many as a
hundred and twenty six million persons through its Facebook accounts,
and sixth of January two thousand eighteen, Twitter announced that

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it had identified three thousand, eight hundred fourteen ira A
controlled Twitter accounts and notified approximately one point four million
people Twitter believed may have been in contact with an
ira A controlled account. UM. So, in just keeping all
that in mind, the hundred and twenty six million people
who were reached by Facebook like iri controled Facebook accounts alone,

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I want to note that according to Vanity Fair, Uh,
there's a great Vanity Fair article titled you could feed
all the voters who cost Clinton the election in a
mid size stadium. Um noting that the three states that
cost Clinton the victory, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania were lost
by a margin of seventy nine thousand votes. So when
we're talking about whether or not Russian influence pedaling could

(25:28):
have had a significant impact on the outcome of the election,
that they reached a hundred and twenty six million people
through Facebook, the election came down to seventy nine thousand votes, right,
And that's where the part where Manafort exchanging information with
Constant and Colimnik is so damning too because they go, oh,
no collusion. Well you have this person that is the
most damning thing in terms of the campaign. He is

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the manager of the campaign at the time, right, sharing
internal polling data and strategy and also saying these are
the battle ground states were really focusing on because we
think the Clinton campaign is actually taking some of these
states from for granted, or as the media said, or
just not putting as much investment in those states and
the like. Oh and we've also like and from there
identifying the Clinton defect or demographic of voter who they

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especially needed to get to because once you get those
people to vote third party or for Trump, great, Yeah,
you've actually whittling down the margins. And again, like you say,
when it comes to something as just under eighty thousand people,
uh Rebevans, I have a question for you the um

(26:32):
why why does he Why would Muller like he acknowledges
the thing that we're talking about, right, the Constant clinic
maniport like connections. Yeah, he's very explicit about that. So
why did that? Because one of the critiques that I've
seen the likes of Glenn Greenwald bring is that, how

(26:54):
like do you believe that they didn't come up with
one single indictment of somebody for Russia Russian collusion? Why
does that not rise to the level of collusion? Well
because siractic criminal term? Sorry, why does that not rise
to the level of criminal conspiracy with Russia? Uh? Yeah,

(27:15):
that's that's that's a great question. I guess some of
it is because, like, is it it's not illegal to
share polling data somebody like he wasn't Manafort was giving
this guy polling data. He was not in return getting
a promise We're going to have this agency that you
may not even know exists at this point attack these
battleground states to try to shift voters. There's nothing illegal

(27:37):
about a guy giving like information as the campaign had
he had control over, he can share that with whoever
conscting clinic was not like next door to Vladimir Putin
at the time, working for him or whatever, so that
maybe did did they have a direct connection between the clinic?
Clinic and Putin had a direct connection enough to be

(27:59):
like we can ssider this person to be part of
the intelligence. Intelligence part of what Manafort is in jail
for is related to this the acting as an unregistered
foreign agent UM. Now that's not as a result of
him sharing data with Colmnic, but as other results of
things he did with Colimnic, because he was also talking
with Colimnic about essentially establishing a peace plan that would

(28:19):
have given Russia backdoor control of eastern Ukraine. So one
of the things Manafort was doing while he was giving
the stat at a Colimnic was being like, and we'll
establish a peace program that gives Russia a large chunk
of Ukraine, uh in exchange for better relations with Russia.
Like that was the thing he was working on at
this time. And that's a lot legally shadier ground to

(28:40):
stand on, but some of that still ongoing in terms
of like the the investigation and whatnot. And one of
the things that man or that Muller repeatedly notes is that, uh,
it's hard to say exactly what crimes Manafort did or
didn't commit because he lied about everything and deleted all
of his text messages and we didn't get them all.
Like that's a repeated comment that Mueller makes, is that, like,

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there might be more here, but we just don't have
all of the information from Manafort because he lies constantly
and deleted everything. Yeah, based on beans based on your
reading of the Mueller report, do you would you guess
that Mueller thinks that Russian intervention swung the election or

(29:20):
is he taking that idea fair seriously enough to say
that he definitely thinks that's possibility. I would say that
everything that's in the report says it's definitely a possibility.
He does not go as far as saying this one
like that, and that's outside of the scope of his investigation.
But he spent probably like a good quarter maybe if
if it's lower of the of the whole report, talking
about Russian influences actions to swing the election, going in

(29:43):
detail about them, about what Manafort did, about what the
Internet Research Agency did, about what Wiki Leaks did. Wiki
he very makes a very clear case that Wiki Leaks
coordinated directly with the Russian government to release a lot
of this stuff, Like he goes into exhaustive detail about
like that. Like one of the first half of the
Muller Report, Part one is essentially a detailed outline of

(30:04):
Russian efforts to influence the two thousand and sixteen election. Um,
And I don't see how you can walk away from
it thinking anything but that they put a lot of
work and money into this, and some of them at
least believe. There's even a statement from some guy close
to Putin saying Putin one after Trump won the election. Yeah,
so I would say, and I you know, I can't

(30:25):
get inside Bob Mueller's head, but he definitely takes the
possibility seriously because he spent like a hundred pages talking
about it, right. Yeah, so I do want to talk
a little bit more about the Internet Research Agent. Say,
there's another little line a little bit further down that
talks about how those four IRA employees snuck into the country. Uh,
they lied and pretended to be four friends who had

(30:47):
met at a party. I just wanted to visit the
U S Which I'm sorry that was cute. Have you
have you actually seen times when like Russian spies have
gone abroad to like do recon and stuff. How obvious
they look. Well, some people just want to look at
some cathedrals. Remember those guys in England who were like
had the most guys who poisoned for the for the listeners.

(31:09):
You guys who poisoned several people in Russia when they
were tracked down by members of the site that I
write for a Belling Cat, and we're found to have
been agents of the g r U. They claimed to
be tourists who were just there to look at cathedrals,
and they looked like comic book versions of like Russian
like goon like like like the most just like chiseled faces.

(31:31):
They their expressions were so like angry, and you couldn't
for a second be like, oh these are cathedral enthusiasts,
like these are these people just with their scowls look
like they were either Russian spice or soccer hooligans and
nothing else. Yeah, yeah they were not, Mike, So I
can't believe like coming here, they're like, uh in your
purpose for your visit, we are friends at the United States, Um,

(31:57):
what's in your backpack? Camera? And sweat those look like
chair legs is for my marionette class. I must make here.
I must go uh yeah, just like a wild Because
that was the one thing that really surprised me about
the because it was with Sergey scrup all right, that
was those guys when he saw those photos like they're

(32:19):
not even trying. They're actually not even trying. Yeah, like
you feel I feel like the people at the border
could like, I don't know, I guess this gets into profiling,
but like, so you guys are clearly Russian spy. I'm like,
why is your friend folding up a frying pan with
his bare hands behind? Look at me like like they
like they if there was a shooting and I was
near one of those guys, I would dive behind their

(32:40):
forehead for cover because it was clearly thick enough to stop.
Both gods, it's freaky, yeah, you know, and easy, you think,
like with the way some people finesse things, like with
the way Kim Jong UN's brother was taken out, like
they had those people warm more women with poison needles.
Good plan, right, or just like trying to bring in
weird people to be like, oh, it's a prey ink
show or whatever. I don't know if they actually still

(33:01):
believe that or they'll cover or whatever. But if you
just need photos, right, you could easily just send your like, oh,
my cousin studying abroad, just make sure you get all
the pictures off the SD card when you get back.
But you know, why am I trying to do their
job better? For? I mean, you know, Miles, when this
when this whole podcasting game falls apart. I do think
you have a future as a Russian contracting spy agents.

(33:23):
I'm like, hey, Boots, babe, let's talk. Man. I'm like, Bobby,
you got this thing all the way it turned around. Man,
I'm mature as a Russian spy. You should see his
pass and to hire this guy. Yeah right, hey, but
it stopped the flow of tapes, didn't it. It did
stop the flow of tapes, the fake tapes. Oh yeah,
I'm yeah, the tapes of flow. Um, okay, so not

(33:49):
the progressive she was my improv teacher. Hey, so uh
there's a there's fun lines in the report that are
partially acted. One that says the focus on the US
presidential campaign continued through two a thousand sixteen and redacted
two sixteen internal redacted. Reviewing the ira A controlled Facebook

(34:09):
group Secured Borders, the author criticized the lower number of
posts dedicated to criticizing Hillary Clinton and reminded the Facebook specialist,
it is imperative to intensify criticizing Hillary Clinton. UM, just
very direct. A lot of It's interesting to me how
much information the Mulla report has on what's going on
here and a lot of it's redacted, So once we
get a full version, I expect we're going to like,

(34:31):
there's a lot in here about the journalists who worked
with Wiki leaks um and I'm really interested to see
some of those conversations when they're inevitably revealed, because that's
one of the things. Yeah, I think, I mean, we
don't know what's redacted, but it talks about at other
points that journalists, American journalists worked with Wiki leaks, and
we're given access to the leaks ahead of time. Wiki

(34:53):
leaks was getting the leaks directly from the g r
u um and from you know, as goose Afer. So
like as I'm interested in in the form those conversations
took because I suspect some of those journalists kind of
knew what was going on. So who was coordinating with
a Facebook expert there that was a that was a
IRA agent like talking with one of their Facebook experts,

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one of the Facebook Yeah, that's an internal conversation where
they're talking about you know, we have to intensify criticizing that.
Funny when your job is that you get an email
from your manager it's like, hey, we talked about this man. Yeah,
we gotta ramp up the Hillary Clinton stuff, and then
your job is to go back and be like, oh man,
she sucks. I mean, I can't believe you're destroying this country. Now.
Such a bizarre sitcom. Most of the IRAS groups were

(35:36):
like pretty pretty hardline conservative pro Trump, but they actually
kind of spun the gamut. There was everything from being
like their Facebook groups had names like being Patriotics, Stop
All Immigrants, Secured Boarders, and Tea Party News, but also
had names like black Matters, Blacktivist, and don't Shoot us. Uh.
There was an lb LGBT United Group, and then like

(35:57):
religious groups like United Muslims of America all were actually
I ray. Facebook groups was pretty big. Yeah, Blacktivist was
very big. He and they they carried out rallies and
stuff and got sizeable numbers of people, and they were
pushing the anti Hillary, like Hillary Clinton's racist line to
try to get black voters to stop supporting her. UM.
Now it's noted in here like there was a lot

(36:18):
of ship last year. I think when it came out
to the Internet Research Agency, it's been a hundred thousand
dollars on thirty Facebook advertisements. UM. One of the things
that's really clear from the Malar report is that they
really didn't need to do that. Uh, most of their
engagement seems to have occurred organically without the need to
put any money down to amplify things at all. Like
that was almost more icing on the cake, Like just

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the way that social media is structured, they didn't need
to spend money because they were creating fake news and
that was that. Well, like they it's easy to if
you just get to write fiction and pretend it's fact,
you can create viral something that's gonna go viral because

(36:59):
you just say the Pope said fun Hillary Clinton. Yeah,
people Catholics are gonna want to read about Hillary Clinton's
going to kill your babies. It's controversial. It's something that
gets people angry, and then like, your job's already done
for you. You don't need to spend that money like
they did in some cases, But it doesn't seem like
it was that. That is one of the top rebuttals

(37:20):
I hear from conservatives or even moderate people who are like,
this whole thing is a witch hunt. Is well, you're
telling me thirty something thousand dollars of Facebook money is
what swung this election, And it's like, no, it was
the constant churn of like fake stories that were wish
fulfillment for anybody who like thought about supporting Trump. Yeah.

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One thing that's really clear is that the IRA was
a big push behind Hillary Clinton for prison. That hashtag
like that was one of the big prison. Yeah, that
was one of the big things they pushed started it.
But like they really they really pushed it. Um, that's
one of the things they spend money to push, especially
around the the RNC and the d n c UM.

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So the IRA efforts were two pronged, and they created
a number of fake persons in groups obviously to like
act as American citizens who are activists, but they also
operated a sizeable bot net which would give these fake
people the impression of being real. Uh. It notes that
numerous high profile US persons, including former Ambassador Michael McFall,
Roger Stone, Sean Hannity, Michael Flynn Jr. Retweeted or responded

(38:28):
to treats tweets posted by IRA controlled accounts. So again, um,
they had a lot of success holding rallies. Uh. They
would put US media in touch, like they would basically
start a rally, get dozens or hundreds of thousands of
people to confirm that they were attending. Then they would
find an actual American volunteer to act as a coordinator
and make an excuse about how they had to be

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out of the state during the rally, and then they
would put media in touch with the person who'd volunteered
to be the coordinator to make it seem like it
was legitimate grassroots effort. Um. The first rally they executed
was actually in November of fifteen, and it was a
Confederate rally. That was the name of the the event. Um.
These rallies continued after the two sixteen election. There's one
example of one of the posters here which I actually

(39:12):
think I saw during the election. It's the Miners for
Trump ad for a Miners for Trump rally and that
was an IRA rally. Wow, yeah, I definitely saw that.
Add not children, no, no, no, like coal mines. Yeah yeah, yeah,
it's It's it's pretty wild. One of their groups was
black or one of their fake people was named black Fist,

(39:34):
which was purportedly an African American like trying to teach
other black people how to protect themselves from law enforcement. Um.
They were really focused on BLM because it was controversial
because it was something people argued about and thought about
on the Internet. And I knew if they created one
like incident that involved Black Lives matter, like the right
wing media would do the rest. Yeah. That seems to

(39:55):
have been a huge part of their goal. Um yeah,
uh so, I'm not gonna go into detail. And every
time the Trump campaign promoted IRA created material, but the
report notes that in total, Trump campaign affiliates posted promoted
dozens of tweets, posts, and other political content created by
the IRA. So that's cool and again not coordination, not

(40:19):
coordination in the legal sense. Synergy. Yeah, there's two people
working at parallel purposes. And that's the thing with conspiracy,
like you need that agreement ahead of time, you know,
so it's like it's defined what it is rather than
being like, yeah, we want the same thing. Well everything happened. Yeah,
Now that's one chunk of Russia's efforts. The other chunk

(40:40):
were carried out by the g r U, which is
again Russian intelligence. Um, and those are the people who
did the DNC hacks. They did the spear fishing that
got them access to like a bunch of Hillary Clinton
related emails and stuff. Um, so they had there are
a couple of different GRU departments that did this. One
of the things I found interesting is that the g
RU carried out a moderate size bitcoin mining operation in

(41:02):
order to buy the computer infrastructure they used to hack
the d n C. So that's cool. Yeah neat. Oh
so they were just like had a bunch of computers running.
They get as much bitcoin to fund their other computer. Yeah, yeah,
it was bitcoin. Wasn't bitcoin like a penny stock at
that time? Like, wasn't it really low? It was? It
was worth more than that. It was in the hundreds
I think at least. Yeah. Um so yeah. The the

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spearfishing campaign was incredibly successful in letting the g r
U access to John Podesta's emails, as well as tens
of thousands of other messages from other campaign staffers. The
g RU began planning the releases of this content at
least as early as April nineteen sixteen, which is when
one g r EU unit registered the domain d c
leaks dot com uh and then anonymize the registrant. They

(41:48):
paid for the registration using bitcoin that they had mined. Um.
So that's cool. Um yeah, so we'll get we'll get
into the rest of this, but first you know what's
better than bitcoin products services? Money is better than no

(42:10):
no spending? Yeah, uh huh, yes, where am I? Uh capitalism?
I'm not as good at answer to that a capitalism no. See,
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(42:30):
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We'll be your bad and we're back. Great ads. That

(42:53):
was great lead into the ads. Let's talk about Roger Stone.
So Roger Stone is notable in the Malari for his
absence because he's not really in the Moulder report, but
he clearly is because there's a bunch of redacted stuff like, oh,
y'all are talking about Roger Stone. Now. One of those
places is talking about the communication between the g r

(43:14):
u uh in the persona of goos Off two point
oh with a Trump campaign member while a former Trump
campaign member who's again clearly Roger Stone. So I'm gonna
read a selection of that, which is again in the
middle of a bunch of very redacted stuff. In early
August two thousand and sixteen, redacted Twitter suspension of the
goose off two point oh to Twitter account after it
was reinstated, JRU officers posing his goose for two point

(43:36):
oh wrote, redacted via private message, thank you for writing back.
Do you find anything interesting in the docks I posted
on August sixteen the jar you added. Please tell me
if I can help you anyhow, It would be a
great pleasure to me. On September sixteen, the GRU, again
posing his goose off two point oh, referred to a
stolen Democratic campaign document posted online and asked Roger Stone, probably,

(43:58):
what do you think about the info on the term
an out model for the Democrats entire presidential campaign? Roger
Stone probably responded pretty standard. The investigation did not identify
evidence of other communications between probably Roger Stone and goose
it for two point out. So there's a lot of
talk between Roger and goosef um. But he's saying the
information you got us is pretty standard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(44:19):
it ain't ship it ain't ship um. But there's still
an ongoing investigation there, which that's the stuff they could
show you. Yeah, yeah, that's the stuff that they were
able to show you. Um, now, if there's any chance
she still thought Julian Assange was anything but a partisan hack.
Here's something he wrote to his colleagues in November two
thousand fifteen. That's in the Mullar Report. We believe it

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would be much better for Goop to win. DIM's plus
media plus liberals would then form a block to rain
in their worst qualities. With Hillary in charge, Geop will
be put pushing for her worst qualities. DIMS plus media
plus neoliberals will be mute. She's a bright, well connected,
sadistic sociopath Juliana Sange talking about Hillary Clinton talking about
Hillary Clinton, which might be an accurate description of Hillary Clinton,

(45:01):
but uh, statistics seems weird because She's would be more interesting. Yeah, yeah,
that's probably I'm going to guess anyone who rises to
her level in politics has a little bit of sociopath
in him. But I feel like any career politician, yeah,
you gotta have a little bit. I just yeah, I
wouldn't be shocked if she had like some small German

(45:22):
children tied up in her basement that she just like
stuck pins in every once in a while, just to
gate on us here just saying like, probably not in
her basement, but maybe like a secret bunker that she
walks to in the woods. But yeah, I don't, I
don't know. Yeah, I don't. I don't want to say that.
But I can see where I can see where her

(45:43):
like dislike for Hillary Clinton. Yea, yeah, where where that
can come from? I mean, he also hated Obama, and
but the fact that he's like, yeah, but we want
GOP doesn't really make sense because they seem to violate
everything that he and he was fairly about their worst
excess as being reined in. That's part of what I

(46:05):
find interesting there, is like, yeah, that's not how that
worked out. You think he convinced himself of that or
was just lying to commence others of that. I think
he might have. It's hard to say. With Julian Assange. Um,
we we do know from the document that wiki leaks
and goose for two point oh cooperated consistently and effectively
to derail the Clinton campaign. Um. They were in constant conversation.

(46:27):
Wiki Leaks sent them a message on July six thousand
sixteen through Twitter saying, if you have anything Hillary related
we would want in the next TWEO, which is he
misspelled to days prefab preferably because the DNC is approaching
and she will solidify Bernie supporters behind her. After Goose
for two point oh responded, Okay, I see Wiki Leaks explained.
We think Trump has only a chance of winning against Hillary,

(46:50):
so conflict between Bernie and Hillary is interesting. So again
Julian Assange coordinating directly with Russian intelligence to try to
drive a wedge between Bernie voters and Hillary Clinton. Yeah. Um,
Now the seth Rich stuff is by far the most
disgusting thing in here, and yet another reason that I
am very angry at Julia sange Um. The report makes

(47:11):
it incredibly clear that after seth Rich had died, when
he was receiving documents on the d n C leaks,
he was lying in public press announcements and essentially saying
it might have been seth Rich. Um. So again this
is and again he's getting all of his information after
seth Rich is already dead, so he knows it can't
be seth Rich. So on August nine, sixteen, the Wiki

(47:34):
Leaks Twitter account posted announced WikiLeaks has decided to issue
a US twenty award for information leading to conviction for
the murder of DNC staff or Seth rich On August,
Assange was asked in an interview, why are you so
interested in Seth Riches killer? He responded, We're very interested
in anything that might be a threat to alleged Wiki
leaks sources. The interviewer responded to a Sange by saying,
I know you don't want to reveal your source, but

(47:55):
it certainly sounds like you're suggesting a man who leaked
information to wiki leaks was then murdered. Sang replied, if
there's someone who's potentially connected to our publication and that
person has been murdered in suspicious circumstances, it doesn't necessarily
mean that two are connected, but it's a very serious matter.
That type of allegation is very serious and it's taken
seriously by us. So just to give everybody context, this
is referring to right wing conspiracy theory that this h

(48:20):
d n C staffer who was murdered in d C
during the election. Uh, they started the conspiracy theory that
he was the one who Wiki leaked the documents. He
was the d n C leaguer and was murdered by
Hillary's murdered by Hillary Clinton, and as San stoked that
conspiracy theory, which is number one and fathomily cruel to

(48:40):
seth Rich's family at a point at which he knew
it was not seth Rich, because he was getting he
was communicating with these people and getting these documents well
after seth Rich was dead, very obvious to him where
this had all come from. We know that for a
point of fact, he was lying and stoking a bullshit
about the the murder of seth Rich in order to

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hurt Hillary Clinton. That seems to have been the primary
Even more, Yeah, which is the most in a document
full of despicable things, might be the most despicable thing
in the entire mold the report. Yeah, especially with Rat's Julian,
what his family has gone through. And Yeah, just becoming
this like business like just taking this person's murder for
this political narrative and almost unspeakably evil. Yeah. With regards

(49:27):
to um the Trump campaigns or uh conspiring with coordination
coordination with Wiki leaks. So one of the details that
we talked about on The Daily Zeitgeist last week or
a few days ago was that if the Trump campaign

(49:48):
had been coordinating with Wiki leaks and wiki leaks like
or if they have been doing what they did with
wiki leaks to Goose of Forer, like, if they weren't
that one step removed, then it would have been a
criminal conspiracy. Like do you think they were working with
wiki leaks knowing that wiki leaks was one step removed

(50:10):
and that protected them politically, And that's why they were
going through wiki leaks as opposed to just going directly
to the source. I don't think that they knew. I
don't think they ever I don't even know if they
ever thought about it. They just knew that wiki leaks
had this stuff like in in you know, in defense
of the Trump campaign. Uh, it's entirely possible. They just
thought Wiki leaks had damning information that they had gotten

(50:31):
from one of their usual sources and no idea. Now
later on, especially in the after election period, it becomes
very clear that it was the Russians, and Trump continues
to deny that it was the Russians, even as his
advisors are being like, it was definitely the Russians. Um,
but they were like they didn't like, the Trump campaign

(50:51):
didn't necessarily know that wiki leaks was getting all their
stuff from the Russian government Wiki leaks almost certainly knew
what was going on. Lionissange is not a dumb dumb dummy.
Um yeah, And just since you bring it up, and
maybe we'll get to this later. But the Trump continuing
to deny that it was the hack was Russia? Does

(51:13):
that fall within the scope of Mueller's report? Um? Yeah,
I mean it's in there. And they continued to deny,
like even after it became very clear that there was
Russian involvement. Yeah, that that's included from what Hope Picks
told him. It was because he just could not stay
the idea of people trying to delegitimize the election, and
because you know, because everything about him is fake. So

(51:34):
his wealth, he can't show you his tax returns because
he's not actually wealthy, and he doesn't want to get
into it because then that will expose him if he
even acknowled. I don't think out of self preservation, he
might not even being able to acknowledge that's what it is,
because it's like I didn't know. Of course, I didn't
get help from the Russians. I did it myself. Oh,
I found the quote that I had from after Trump

(51:56):
made his open call for to the Russian government to
hack uh, Hillary Clinton's email. We said, Russia, you know,
please get us her emails. This is what the Mueller
report says, word for word. Within approximately five hours of
Trump statement, GRU officers targeted for the first time Clinton's
personal office after candidate Trump's remarks. Unit to six five,

(52:17):
which is the unit of the g RU that was
doing this, created and sent malicious links targeting fifteen email
accounts that the domain, including an email account belonging to Clinton.
To Clinton aid, the investigation did not find evidence of
earlier GRU attempts to compromise accounts hosted on this domain.
Holy shit. Yeah, yeah, the Muller report is incredibly direct
about that, right, Um, so that's why it's total bullshit. Yeah,

(52:40):
which is so funny. Yeah, we went from total exoneration
to total bullshit. Now. The contacts with campaign Trump campaign
about Wiki leaks section of the Mullar report is heavily redacted. Uh,
there's a section in there that's literally In debriefing with office,
former deputy campaign chairman Rick Gates said that a whole
paragraph of redacted from harm to ongoing matter, and then

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Gates are called candidate Trump being generally frustrated that Clinton
emails had not been found. Paul Manafort, who had later
become campaign chairman, an entire paragraph of things is redacted.
So yeah, there's again they may the Trump campaign very
well may have known who was behind the DNC leagues
and stuff. There's a lot that's redacted there, Like who
knows what's going on there? Right? Um, I mean with

(53:24):
regards to Trump saying he doesn't know that it's Russia,
like he's acknowledging that he got help from somebody. He
just doesn't want it to be Russia for some reason. Yeah,
and he denied that. And he definitely had contact with
the PETE like in colluded with the people who had
the Russian hacked documents, but it wasn't directly with the
Russian government. Yeah. The footnotes about Manafort in the in

(53:48):
the in the in the mular report are pretty pretty great. Uh, this,
this version of it appears like versions of this paragraph
appear in multiple times. Manafort entered into the police pleagreement
with our office. We determined that he breached the agreement
by being untruthful in proper sessions and before the grand jury.
We have generally recounted his version of events in this
report only when his statements are sufficiently corroborated to be trustworthy,

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to identify issues on which Manaforts untruthful responses made themselves
be of evidentiary value, order to provide Manaforts explanations for
certain events, even when we were unable to determine whether
that explanation was credible. So basically, Manafort lied so much
that we couldn't include a lot of what he said because,
like he there's just nothing you can take out of
what he Yeah, he's a pro. He's a pro. You know,
he's a great. Lot's amazing when you're so full of ship,

(54:32):
like someone who's even trying to investig I honestly don't
even know this motherfucker said so much bullshit. The former
head of the FBI is like, he's so full of ship.
I'm almost impressed that he's still breathing. He did a
Yoda voice for an entire session and completely fucked with me, asshole.

(54:54):
You get it. You really get the feeling that Bob
Mueller might hate Paul Manafford as much as I do. Oh,
I'm sure. Uh, it's it's pretty great. Now. Much of
the stuff that Trump said to Cohen about Wiki leaks
is redacted due to ongoing investigations, which is, you know,
did to the stuff that Maniford said. Cohen and Trump
both seems to have talked at length about their communications
with Trump about Wiki leaks, but that ship is all
black barred. So here's another heavily redacted paragraph. According to Gates,

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by the late summer two thousand and sixteen, the Trump
campaign was planning a press strategy, a communications campaign, and
messaging based on the possible release of Clinton emails by
Wiki leaks. Three or so sentences of redacted stuff, and
then in the middle of a sentence, while Trump and
Gates were driving to Laguardi Airport, fully redacted sentence comma.
Shortly after the call, candidate Trump told Gates that more
releases of damaging information will be coming. So again, might

(55:40):
be some direct ship. This might be some of that
evidence he was said that that they had of direct cooperation,
or it might be like I don't know, or yeah,
or that's it went through too many channels to get there,
or it's like, well, yeah, it was this person. Too
much was deleted, you know. Yeah, But what Michael Cohen
didn't He says like I'll come to the hill and
I'll tell I'll tell you everything that I can tell
you that what was probably redacted in there. Yeah yeah,

(56:03):
Mr Messy, Mr Messy. Well, I mean, look, maybe he
can get a couple of years knocked off his sentence. Yeah,
maybe maybe he can. Um, and maybe his daughter will
show up to court with three crutches. Um. There's stuff
about the Trump Tower in Moscow. UH. Most of it's
not super interesting. It seems like it was pretty haphazardly pursued,

(56:25):
although it is interesting how directly the Russians wanted to
tie the Trump Tower deal to the election. That part
is interesting. The carrot was that. That's the carrot on
the stick. I mean yeah, they seem to have tried to. UH.
On November three, the day after the Trump Organization transmitted
the letter of intent, Felix Sayer emailed Cohen suggesting that
the Trump Moscow project could be used to increase candidate

(56:46):
Trump's chances at being elected, writing, Buddy, our boy can
become president of the USA, and we can engineer it.
I will get all of Putin's team to buy in
on this. I will manage the process. Michael Putin gets
on stage with Donald for ribbon cutting for Trump Moscow
and don to owns the Republican nomination and possibly beats Hillary.
And our boy is in. We will manage this process
better than anyone. You and I will get Donald and
Vladimir on a stage together very shortly that the game changer.

(57:10):
Later that day, sat Up followed up. Donald doesn't stare down,
He negotiates and understands the economic issues in. Putin only
wanted to deal with a pragmatic leader. A successful businessman
is a good candidate for someone who knows how to
negotiate business politics, whatever it is, all the same for
someone who knows how to deal. So that's really direct
offers from Felix Sayer. But Cohen does not appear to

(57:30):
have said, yes, let's crime in those explicit words. But
again there's like a bunch of offers directly from people
connected to Putin to help with the campaign. We can
engineer this, Yeah, we can engineer this, because I mean
it's you know, they if you invite it, if you
make it clear that you don't know that this is wrong,

(57:53):
they're just gonna keep making offers, keep going like it's
it's just gonna be NonStop. It's like, you know, have
a termites and not taking care of it. It's just
gonna They're gonna keep feeding on on the rot until uh,
your house falls down around you and your wife gets
mad at you. Yeah, and you're on the toilet, but
luckily the house collapse neatly around you. Yeah, now in

(58:16):
there an there, right. Guess I did have a shower
collapse on me once, like the structure. Yeah, yeah, the
roof of the shower fell on me while I was
taking a shower. This isn't like a slum I used
to live. I was about to say, like, knowing you,
you're like, well, it was the shower very late. It
was great that we didn't have a roof in the
shower for weeks, which was actually okay because it's a

(58:38):
shower so when it's raining, it's not the biggest deal
in the world. So it was bombay. How are you alive? Oh,
I'm a highlander. India just gained independence alright. So Cohen
does not recall Trump talking directly about the potential impact
the tower project would have have on the election, so
he apparently he says he didn't bring that to Trump,

(58:59):
But Cohen does recall conversations with Trump in which the
candidates suggested that his campaign would be would be or
that the tower would be an infomers or that they sorry.
Cohen recalled conversations with Trump and which Trump suggests that
the camp the political campaign would act as an infomercial
for his properties, which is some evidence to the idea
that Trump never expected to win. Yeah, I fully believe. Yeah,

(59:20):
who knows, but that does make me think that might
have been part of it. Um. There was repeated talk
of Cohen and candidate Trump visiting Russia, but the trip
never panned out, possibly do in large part of the campaign.
Outside of the Tower deal, they were numerous attempts made
by Russians to get Trump to attend or speak out
the St. Petersburg economic form. He turned them all down
due to time constraints. Joseph Miffsud is a Multese national
and a professor at the London Academy of Diplomacy. He

(59:42):
has connections to employees of the Internet Research Agency. Miff
Sud met our old buddy George Papadopoulis in the spring
of two thousand and sixteen, after Papadopolis had become a
policy advisor to the Trump campaign. The two discussed myth
subs mith Sud's European and Russian connections and had a
discussion about Russia. Mifsud offered to introduce Papadopolis to European
leaders and leaders with contact in the Russian government UH

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and essentially, Papadophoulis went on to repeatedly try to set
up a meeting between Donald Trump and the Russian government. UM.
After these meetings with myth set, he continuously tried to
do that. It seems that for the most part, he
was just trying to increase his value to the campaign
by brokering a meeting between the two, like, and there's
a lot of that in here, where like the most
direct collusion is individual members of the campaign trying to

(01:00:25):
get Trump in the room with somebody so that they
can increase their value to the campaign. UM. Which is again,
the only person associated with Trump during the election who
actually was loyal to him was Michael Flynn. That that
is made repeatedly clear. Papadopolis is just trying to get
a job after the election. Yeah, it's pretty pretty fascinating.

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The most damning evidence of this is Carter Page. He
worked for the Trump campaign from January to September sixteen,
becoming a foreign policy advisor in March. He had worked
in Russia and lived in Russia before, and had direct
contact with Russian intelligence officers. Um. He continuously attempted to, uh,
basically push the Russian government, lying on things like Ukraine
and meetings with the Trump campaign and get the Trump

(01:01:08):
team to adopt plans that would be like like reducing
sanctions and stuff the Russian government would like. Again, not
direct collusion, other than like you could say carter Page
was colluding, but like not the campaign itself colluding. Um.
This is the guy that Republicans are like, they illegally
looked into carter Page and they had no right to

(01:01:29):
do that. Essentially, those PISO warrants, they were right. He
was like overtly criming and working on clearly working on
behalf of Russia. And the fact that intelligence looked into
him doesn't seem that suspicious. No, it seems like you
would be not doing your job if you didn't look
into carter Page. But that's what's so mind blowing about conservatives,

(01:01:50):
Like they're actually not They're just ignoring the biggest factual
thing to start with is that a foreign government tried
to meddle in the way that we elect our president. Yeah,
regardless of what side. Yeah, and I think that's they're
they completely blow by that to then get it lost
in the weeds of like, oh, Carter Page was really

(01:02:11):
really unfairly targeted or whatever, rather than like, rather than saying,
oh my god, this is terrible. What We're not even
able to operate on our own as a country to
choose our leaders. That's weird. Yeah, Okay, So the Trump
Tower meeting, the actual meeting itself does seem to have
really been a nothing burger. Like the Russians, there was
absolutely corrupt intent and the planning of it. Donald Trump

(01:02:32):
wanted to get information on the clampaign directly from the
Russian government, but none of that was really communicated during
the meeting. It was really just an attempt to get
them to talk about the Magnetski actum And there's a
lot of evidence that corroborates that they kind of got
tricked into the meeting. Uh Kushner. We actually know that
Kushner sent a message to Manifort during the meeting calling
it a waste of time, and then message too of

(01:02:53):
his assistants to try to get them uh to like call,
so he had an excuse to leave. I love that.
Our move, yeah, power move. But again there's Donald Trump
Junior might get in criminal trouble for this. This might
be one of the things. There are fourteen ongoing investigations
as a result of the Mulder Report. We only know
what two of them are, and a lot of the
stuff is redacted around the meaning that might be like

(01:03:16):
some of it might be because Donald Trump Junior is
being looked at for it. Um, there's other stuff in
the report that makes it seems like Mueller is saying
he doesn't think that. Like it's like Donald Trump Junior
was committing a crime but can't be charged for it
because he didn't really know what he was doing and
there was no corrupt intent, innocent by way of stupidity,
by way of stupidity by just like sheer incompetence, which

(01:03:38):
doesn't sound like my Donald Trump Junior. No, he was
like father calls him like too dumb to live, and
he is he you know when you see the pictures
of him when he's when he's out in the woods hunting,
I just wish he never left the woods. You're like,
there goes a dumb guy, and then you read about

(01:03:59):
his actions and you're like, wow, Wow, it's even worse,
Like how did he just not spontaneously catch fire? For
how does not forgetting to keep breathing? Uh? The So
the twelve investigations fourteen right, fourteen two that we know
about twelve that we don't Yeah, quick maths for you,

(01:04:20):
like who who are who is looking into those investigations?
Who's in charge of that? We don't know specifically. Essentially,
what the Muller report says is that while they were
doing their investigations, because they were not making prosecutorial judgments here,
so this was not about them saying like this document
was not about them saying like, we found crimes here,
but when they found evidence of crimes, um that we're
outside of the scope of the investigation or that like

(01:04:43):
they weren't pursuing for whatever, they would refer to other
law enforcement agencies. And it happened fourteen times. So the
Mueller investigation is over, but fourteen criminal investigations are ongoing
elsewhere in the government as a result of things uncovered
in the Muller investigation. We only know about two of them. Again,
that would seem to be a big headline from this
report that it kicked off four teen criminal investigations. But

(01:05:06):
you know what, better than not that way, the right
doesn't have time to try and figure out how to
smear that. Yeah, I think we're fine, because William Barr
said so. It's honestly, like some of this is kind
of the opposite of a Nixon, where like Nixon is
this guy who's orchestrating a vast web of crimes and
then a cover up. And Trump may not have committed
crimes during the election, but everyone around him did, and

(01:05:27):
then he committed crimes covering it up. That that kind
of seems like a lot of what happened here is
that everyone around him was a gross criminal and he
was a dumb guy. And then even though he wasn't
at risk initially because like he wasn't initially under any
investigation at all, and the only reason he personally became
under investigation is because of the obstruction of justice, which

(01:05:47):
is great presidenting. Yeah, isn't it funny? Like what if
because it was around Michael Flynn, you know, and if
that was the one guy who had his back, like
to think like this romantic sense, Trump had Flynn's back
and then causes all this other ship to go down. Yeah,
there's a little colonel of sweetness there, because you do

(01:06:09):
get the feeling that Trump kind of likes guy. He's
a good guy. I'm telling you he's a good guy. Yeah,
I mean yeah, I catch him crying in the bathroom
and the only human emotion at the center of this
camp between Trump and Michael Flynn. That's a really good
I think about romance novel cover Gone with the Flynn. Yeah,

(01:06:32):
what do you what do you call your listeners? I
don't your little sons of bitches zekegang in bastard lovers.
Somebody make that art, yeah, somebody, huh yeah, please, someone
make that romance art. Somebody make Gone with the Flynn,
because I really, I mean not that it's totally like that,

(01:06:54):
but if there is a version where Trump kind of
gets there is some murky stuff, but really he just
like he's like, he finally, this is his first friend.
This is the first person he's ever done something selfless for. Right,
he just thinks of all the times Michael Flinn like
sincerely laughed at this and remembers everyone's fake laughter. We

(01:07:14):
were going to go fishing in Montana well, and he
is a general, so it does fall into the category
of people Trump is capable of respecting. Yeah. I think
that's the only category that might be the only military generals. No,
you know what, he really really fucking likes the attorney
generals who committed uh crimes to protect their presidents. Oh yeah,

(01:07:37):
that's true. He did. A big fan of a big
fan of well, I don't know about crimes, A big
fan of Bobby Kennedy and Eric Holder. Yeah. Yeah, so
that he that the report repeats like four or five
times that he's like, where's my Bobby Kennedy? Yeah, exactly.
That he says some variation of like Bobby Kennedy protected
his brother, like Eric Holder protected Obama. Which also there's

(01:07:57):
a part of it where I wonder if like he's
kind of making uh like a like a brother's statement too,
because he's like Kennedy hired his brother Eric or Obama
hired Eric Holder, And it's like what are you what
do you say? Are you get? Like you should have
seen it. I was there. They're all brothers. Like the

(01:08:18):
way he words it makes me think like there's a
little bit of like a little on the way that
he calls Tim Tim Apple brothers. It's weird. Um, but yeah,
so uh it should come as no surprise to that.
Other than the heavily redacted Roger Stone, the most directly
criminal member of the Trump campaign staff by far was

(01:08:40):
Paul man Afford, who cannot avoid committing crimes. Um, Like,
I think he would shut down if he had to stop. Um,
there's a lot of yeah, this is this is where
we get to the stuff about Constantine clinic. Uh, like
them sharing polling data and whatnot. A cigar bar right day,
You know, it doesn't say it was that. That was

(01:09:02):
another one. I remember Rick Gates and Manafort went with
somebody at a cigar. I think Paul Manafort has spent
most of his waking hours and cigar bars. Yeah. Yeah,
And he's the most carcinogenic thing in he makes the
cigars around him say yeah, like yeah. He keeps getting
trouble in prisoner, like are you smoking in me? It's
just like coming off his poise, Like I know, just

(01:09:25):
s if he stops committing crimes, he would immediately catch cancer. First.
He's like the bus from speed but with I have
to break sixty laws a minute. Something has to be
poisonous about me. It's either my actions or the way
my cells are dividing. Yeah. Um, so we already got

(01:09:46):
over a lot of the Paul Manafort stuff. There's a
great quote in here that I want to read. The
Office reviewed numerous Maniford email and text communications and ask
President Trump about the plan in written questions. The investigation
did not uncover evidence of Maniforts passing along information about
Ukraine in peace plans to the candidate. This was the
plan to give Russia control of Eastern Ukraine or anyone
else in the campaign or administration. The Office was, however,

(01:10:07):
not able to gain access to all of Manafort's electronic communications.
In some instances, messages were sent using encryption applications, and
while Manafort denied that he spoke to members of the
Trump campaign or the new administration about the peace plan,
he lied to the Office and the Grand Jury about
the peace plan and his meetings with Columnic, and his
unreliability on this subject was among the reasons that the
district District judge found that he had breached his cooperation agreement.

(01:10:29):
So we don't know that Paul Manafort went to the
president and said, we we can work with Russia. They'll
help us out if we give them eastern Ukraine. But
Mully goes out of his way to say I can't
say that that didn't happen because Paul Manafort lies about
literally everything and deleted all of his communications with the campaign.
And this goes back to the big question that I've

(01:10:51):
always had that I think is one of the strangest details,
is that, well, I'm sorry I got so much while
Russia is, you know, intervening on behalf of the Trump campaign. Uh,
the Republican platform for at the two thousand sixteen R
and C suddenly adjust to and to incorporate a very

(01:11:15):
pro Russian stands. But that was something in the report
the language from lethal aid too. I forget exactly what
they used, but they like soften the language of the
aid we were providing the Ukrainian government against the Russian backs.
But wasn't there something in the mother report that actually
said that they couldn't find that strong connection between the
platform change and some kind of direct like uh, stimulation

(01:11:36):
prodding from the Russians. It doesn't say that it just
like I think it's at least from my recollections, this
didn't make it into my notes. But like they went
into a lot of detail about how that changed, and
they talk about maniforts communications with the campaign, but they
don't have a smoking gun that's definitely clear. Oh, just more.
I guess the way they summed it up was there

(01:11:56):
are several prominent contacts but were innocuous. Yeah, it's it's
again one of those things where like a lot of
stuff was deleted. We don't we don't know what was
what was said there. But also it could have just
been that Paul Manafort was pushing a pro Russian lying
on Ukraine, so was uh what's named Carter Page. So
we're other people in contact with the campaign, and like

(01:12:16):
it may have been those people repeatedly stating their opinions
that caused some of the softening of the campaign, which
isn't illegal. Yeah, no, I mean it just sounds like
there's also they did a good job of having many
ways to create pressure around it to guide people in
a certain direction, and they did a lot of good
atmospheric pressure creating. So they're saying a lot of people
provide like applied pressure and a lot of people were

(01:12:38):
talking about it. They couldn't say that directly that there
was a they could actually draw a line to that
platform change in some kind of communication with somebody, aside
from the fact that many people were kind of but
innocuous is a very strong word, isn't It Doesn't that
mean like not harmful or offensive? So I guess that
could just mean legally not something. Yeah they just said,

(01:12:59):
I couldn't really else something on like even though it
looks like that on their service, like oh suddenly there
aren't like the platforms changing, but they just there weren't
those stronger connections. Points to the nature of this whatever
you want to call it, whether or not it's a
conspiracy with with you know, Nixon, which is our other
political touchdown of this kind of corruption. It was very

(01:13:20):
much emanating from the center, whereas the corruption here was
all pushing towards Trump, who appears to have just been
kind of focused on improving his brand and shouting at
people and like, whereas the Russians would were reaching to
everyone around him, and a lot of those individual people
did stuff that was unethical or straight up criminal as
result of the Russians reaching out to them. Um, but

(01:13:41):
it was not a coordinated effort between the campaign and Russia.
So rather than one gigantic crime, it was a million
kind of tiny half crimes that create one big that
created and wouldn't have created a crime in regards to
Donald Trump, although again you know it's possible that he
had some contact with Manafort, like which again the document,

(01:14:03):
but like the crime was specifically started in large part
when Trump was like started obstructing the hell out of
some justice, which is why he wasn't under investigation until
that point. Um, because of his love for Michael Flynn,
because of his his deep and honestly they're bros to
hear that, like, especially when everyone else is such a snake.
That's Michael and so ship out of luck to all

(01:14:29):
of this too, Like he's fucked, He's got no money. Yeah,
his like his son is like come on man, yeah,
fucking dad. Like even Donald Trump's like he's a good man,
you know, one of the great. You do hate Flynn
less than everyone else involved in this. And I say
that as someone who deeply dislikes Michael Flynn, Right, that's

(01:14:50):
what's so odd about it all. There's at least a
kernel of like redeeming human loyalty and Michael Flynn he
was so direct talking to Russian studios like I'll do
it I'll do it. I'll do the work I gotta do. Yeah. Um,
but he was also trying to get rich to so
he he also was let off fairly easy for somebody
who was like directly undermining. Yeah, Like he's not going

(01:15:14):
to get anything close to the worst penalty that comes
out of this that will hopefully be a manafort and
ought to be manifort. Yeah. And like the thing is
like Flynn wasn't involved long enough to get at that
point much priming done because there's mostly all of his
interactions with the ambassadors and like being a Turkish agent
and those other things that he's mostly in trouble for

(01:15:35):
and being just a good solid bro, good solid bro,
you know. So uh, it's speaking of people who are
caught committing crimes that are evident stuff in the Mular Report.
Let's talk about Eric Prince, my favorite. So, Eric Prince
testified to Congress that he met with Kirol Dmitri of
only once during his trip to the Seychelles, where they
talked about stuff they wanted to do. Um. So uh

(01:16:02):
he testified that I only met once. The Molar Report
reveals that they met on two separate occasions, including one
in which he attempted to get the Russian government to
change the course of an aircraft carrier and send it
away from Libya so that they wouldn't interfere with things
that were going on in Libya, which is again evidence
that Palm or that Erik Prince lied to Congress about

(01:16:22):
the extent of his conversations with Karl dmitriev um, which
I think is pretty cool. Also that Steve Bannon seems
to have been the guy orchestrating the whole meeting, and
that Bannon seems to have been giving Eric princes marching orders. However, Uh,
Prince deleted all of his text messages and so we
don't know the exact extent of what Bannon was ordering

(01:16:44):
him to do or what they were asking to talk about. Um.
So again, uh, probably something shady with Bannon there, um,
although one part of it is that Bannon was just
trying to get Prince something to do and didn't really
care about what went on there, which is like, yeah,
you go go meeting the say shehells with this guy.
He's like Eric, Eric loves just getting on both loves

(01:17:05):
and stuff, having James Bond meetings and stuff, say shells.
That sounds like it sounds like a James Bond place.
Get him out there. Did you see that in Meddi
Hassan interview? Oh god, yeah, that was so cringing. And
he's like, so, what were you doing the stay show?
I was like, ah, just meetings, meeting anyway. He liked
the Congress. That's what you said. That's what you say.

(01:17:25):
That's what you says. But I don't know what it's like. No,
I'm reading the court transfer according to you. No, that's
what you said transcript in what language? All right? Never mind?
So their Portarso reveals that Rick Garrison, a hedge fund
manager and friend of Jared Kushner, also worked with Karl
Dmitriev to put together a plan for better relations between

(01:17:48):
Russia and the US. One of the results of this
was the meeting after Trump became president between him and
Vladimir Putin. Uh. They put together a list of like
things to talk about during the meeting that apparently seems
to have been used as like the minutes for that meeting.
Most of its pretty banal stuff like we're improving relations
and like cooperation to fight terrorism and all that sort

(01:18:09):
of stuff. YadA YadA, YadA. Um. Garrison's interests seems to
have disappeared after the financial deal he was working with
Demitrio fell apart um, which again goes into the general
pattern you see around like with the people who are
around Trump, um, which is that, uh, everyone in Russia
had a very specific set of goals with like in

(01:18:30):
terms of lifting sanctions and in terms of Ukraine that
we're trying to get people around Trump to push, whereas
everyone on the Trump side of things was working on
their own personal goals, like like Garrison didn't give a
shit about what was discussed in the meeting. He wanted
to set the meeting up because it would get him
in good with Demitriovs that they could make like a
financial transaction essentially. Um. So everyone on the Trump side
of things had their own, very like niche personal interests

(01:18:54):
at heart, and Russia was pushing a couple of very
specific lines. You know, we want sanctions lifted, we went
control of eastern Ukraine. Um, we don't want Hillary Clinton
to be president. Like, Russia was very focused the whole time.
Everyone around Trump, except for Michael Flynn, was focused on
like their own personal careers. Yeah, and Russia's that's how

(01:19:15):
Russia uses people as they find out what your motivation is,
what your fears are, and then you know, find ways
to make you do what they want. And if you
have enough people who are just so self serving, it's
like it's like chumming the waters. And there's a hundred
sharks tethered to Trump, so naturally that that's gonna d
pull all these fucking creatures in one direction. A hundred

(01:19:36):
sharks and one dolphin named Michael just gets. Also, one
of Kushner's Russian contacts gave him a bag of dirt.
I thought that was funny, like a literal bag, a
literal sack of dirt from the town in Belarus where
his family came from. Oh that's that's pretty fun He
was like, here's dirt on see that Joe made. I

(01:20:03):
should have brought the emails. I also like that if
the sac of dirt the guy who rises just a
total scum lords like just anything like, yeah it is
from your town man, Yeah, yeah, that's from where your
family comes from. One there by on foot, like is
there an old fantom bottle cap in? So the explanation

(01:20:23):
in the Mullar report for why the June ninth Trump
Tower meeting probably wasn't a crime. It's really interesting to me. Quote,
there are reasonable arguments that they offered information would constitute
a thing of value within the meaning of these provisions,
which is the provision that determines whether or not the
law was broken and setting up this meeting. But the
Office determined that the government would not be likely to
obtain and substain a conviction for two other reasons. First,
the Office did not obtain a missible evidence likely to

(01:20:45):
meet the government's burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt
that these individuals acted willfully i e. With general knowledge
of the illegality of their conduct. And second, the government
would likely encounter difficulty improving beyond a reasonable doubt that
the value of the promised information exceeded the threshold of
a criminal vi elation. How do you monetarily attach the
value to Hillary damaging internation on Hillary Clinton? That's why

(01:21:07):
we don't know if Donald Trump Junior and Kushner committed
a crime and organizing emmy. I would say, just if
someone told me you'll have a I have a hard
drive full of hacked Hillary Clinton emails, I would imagine
that the price tag just to start off, you'd be
like ten grand Tim Grant at the low end. The
low end, I mean, I know people who do dift

(01:21:28):
for less. But like I think, all right, well, I
guess realistically, if I wonder if there is a way
you could, it's too abstract a trends. And also you
don't so you're going blind. You don't know what's on
the emails, what's in the emails. The look, bro, I
got these emails, any one them or not? And Grant
it could because it could just all be Hillary Clinton

(01:21:48):
talking about her charity if prints for me. Yeah, that's
what a lot of her emails were. It is Prince Princess,
I don't like to read on my computer screen. Yeah,
she's an old lady who doesn't like computers. Um. So,
the Mueller report states, after that paragraph I just read,
the Special Counsel's office decided not to charge Donald Trump

(01:22:09):
Junior or other campaign officials for the meeting. But then
the next three pages are redacted due to an ongoing investigation,
which again seems to suggest that someone else might charge
Trump Junior for what he was doing in that meeting
at some other point. Um, because the investigation is still ongoing. Um.
The two of like of the fourteen allegations of potential
crimes that the Mueller investigation headed off handed off to

(01:22:31):
other departments. The only two we know of are Michael
Cohen and Greg Craig, who was a former Obama Council
like White House counsel to President Obama. But Craig was
not charged for his work during the Obama administration. He
was charged for acting as an unregistered agent of the
Ukrainian government in the past before he came to work
for Obama. Um. So those are the two of the
fourteen that we know what they are. And this is

(01:22:53):
the end of part one because Part two of the
Mueller Report is what comes up next. And so now
we're going to talk about struct in prove it. But
Sophie says it's time for an ad break. Oh my god.
So first off, Sophie, Yeah, whoa, I threw the bagels.
Robert just threw Sophie across the room and into the wall.

(01:23:15):
Holy ship. Stop calling her a bag of bagels. Yeah,
that's that's pretty pretty hard, pretty harsh. Um. Yeah, man,
you're gonna you're moving product in this episode. I'll tell
you what I am moving product as well as tossing bagels. Um.
Buy things. Here we go, guys, we're gonna take a
quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back

(01:23:42):
and we're back. Sorry, Jacket is really trying to take
over this podcast. Where can people find you? That later?
But first, Robert, what's something from your search history? Good question?
What is instruction of justice one of the many things

(01:24:03):
Donald Trump and I actually have in common? We have
a surprising number of things a common. Yeah, he and
I had the same literary agent one point. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Trump's literary Yeah, he's thanked in one of his books,
Bird Bird and Waxman. Well, like, no, it's just what happens.
You work, you work with whoever. He wasn't president yet,

(01:24:24):
you have to say that. Uh? And then would he
got three? Wrote songs about our relatives. Yeah, he wrote
a song about what do You Got Through? Wrote a
song about how Donald Trump's dad refused to uh let
black people stay in his buildings? Uh? And what do
You Got Through? Wrote a song about my relative, pretty

(01:24:45):
boy Floyd, for beating a cop to death with a
log chain for cursing at his wife. Wow, yeah, that's
pretty cool man. Pretty boy grabbed a log chain and
the deputy grabbed his gun, and in the fight that followed,
he laid that deputy down dozens sort of a cross rhyme.
But uh yeah, hey, look when you're pretty clear, abou
a guy who beats somebody to chain the rhyme? Um,

(01:25:11):
I like your uncle's story better. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shouldn't
be cursed in front of pretty boy Flood's wife. I've
always said that you have now. The second part of
the Mueller report opens by noting that it is specifically
not ruling on whether or not there was obstruction of
justice because to do so, among other things, undermine the

(01:25:31):
president's ability to be president. Uh and also in general,
because the Special Council can't make rulings on such things
because it would be like a separation of powers. Thing.
One thing I've seen people say is that this is
essentially Mueller's argument as to why Congress should impeach Um.
And that's a pretty fair summation of things, because Mueller
is essentially saying, I can't declare the president guilty of

(01:25:55):
a crime. And there's a number of reasons that are
more complicated that I that I I'm just not competent
to get into um. But it's not my job it's
not the special counsel's job, it's not the FBI's job.
Congress needs to look like, make a decision. And here's
my case for why. There's a lot of evidence of
obstruction of justice. And I do think that is the
fairest way to sum up Part two as saying, here's

(01:26:18):
a bunch of evidence the president obstructed justice. Congress, do
your job. I'm handcuffed, so just you know, but here's
this whole instruction manual. Yeah. I've seen some articles from
more right wing publications where they're like Mueller dropped the
ball by not saying that Trump didn't obstruct justice. He

(01:26:39):
should have like made a decision one way or the other.
It's about two hundred pages of that are basically like,
I can't say that he committed obstruction of justice, but
if I could say that, I would. But here's a
description of him obstructing justice. Here's about how he obstructed justice.
Huh yeah, alright, let's say murder. But he said beat

(01:27:00):
a guide to death with a change change, So all right, well, yeah,
maybe it's not a murder. I'm gonna quote from the
Mueller report here. Quote. Uh. First, traditional prosecution or delineation
decision entails a binary determination to initiate or decline a prosecution,
but we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment.
The Office of Legal Counsel has issued an opinion finding

(01:27:22):
that the indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting president
would impermissibly undermine the capacity of the executive branch to
perform its constitutionally assigned functions and violation of the constitutional
separation of powers. So again, that's Mueller's explanation for why
he's not going to say whether or not a crime
was committed. Um, But he does go out of his
way to say that the president can still be charged

(01:27:42):
with the crime after leaving office and dicted after leaving office. Uh.
And then he notes this, if we had confidence, after
a thorough investigation of the facts, that the president clearly
did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state,
which is the second time in the report that he
says accordingly, Well, this report does not concluded the president
committed a crime. It also does not exonerate him. Repeated

(01:28:05):
word for word on three different times, says this does
not exonerate the president. So that's cool. It's like he's
trying to tell us, the evidence we obtained about the
president's actions and intent presents difficult issues that present prevent
us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred. The

(01:28:26):
evidence we found of crimes makes it difficult to say
that there were no crimes. Yeah, uh cool, so yeah,
so I mean, you know, Congress can look into it. Yeah,
I mean, that's that's what's so also frustrating about just

(01:28:49):
how conservative media chooses to just ignore these things for like,
just I think all they can do is point to
the fact that Donald Trump isn't in jail and saying like, well,
if he did something wrong, be in jail. So even
though there's all this stuff like no, but you're also
ignoring the fact that I'd imagine if Robert Mueller was
brought up to the Hill and asked, like, if this

(01:29:10):
were a private citizen, does this look like regular straight
up crime to you, Like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes,
it's crime. Yeah. The Mueller investigation makes a lot, says
a lot about the anger President Trump felt when Jeff
Sessions recused himself. Talks repeatedly about his multiple, multiple constant

(01:29:32):
attempts to get Jeff Sessions to unrecuse himself. A word.
I don't know if existed. It's always in quotation marks,
and I'm not I think he might have coined that
to which it's a word. Now, well, why can't why
can't my dog undie daddy? Yeah, he's never had a dog, Yeah,

(01:29:52):
I know, but I had yeah yea. Uh. Now, the
President's remediately made all of his problems worse by trying
to co worse people into saying he wasn't in trouble.
I'm gonna read this next paragraph, which is about sort
of him trying to get Comy to to uh go
after or to stop going after Michael Flynn because there's

(01:30:13):
some there's some beautiful shade in there. In the following days,
the President reached out to the Director of National Intelligence
and the leaders of the Central Intelligence Agency and the
National Security Agency to ask them what they could do
to publicly dispel the suggestion that the President had any
connection to the Russian election effort or Russian election interference effort.
The President also twice called Comy directly, notwithstanding guidance from
again his lawyer to avoid direct contacts with the Department

(01:30:35):
of Justice. It goes out of its way to be
like the law President's lawyer said don't do this, and
the president did this. Um. There's a lot of fascinating
information and here about how Trump manages a team during
a crisis. UM. And honestly, this chunk of the report
is worth everyone reading in full. I am going to
read another quote about a meeting he had with Lewandowski.

(01:30:57):
The president asked about the status of his message for
Sessions to limit the Special Council investigation to future election interference. Lewandowski, Yeah,
he wanted to limit the Muller investigation to future Russian
in Yeah, exactly. I just saw this movie with Vandam
Time Cop. Yeah, like any Time Cop it to the
next lection. But that doesn't make I don't think was

(01:31:20):
that known that he was trying to get it to be.
I think this might be one of the new things
that we learned in the investigation. What does that even
mean that he wanted to me investigate if they can
do it in the future. Don't talk about what they
did in just talk about what they might do in
very specific request for someone who committed no crist That's

(01:31:42):
one of the things that makes me think he did
commit direct crimes. I'm kind of on the fence about
like whether or not his behavior inten prior to the
obstruction of justice was like direct cooperation because it's kind
of hard to say, um, or maybe they don't realize
that this is something that was happening way four like
like well five years. We might want to look at

(01:32:04):
making your president. Yeah, like it's entirely possible, Like I
I just don't I just don't know. But it's none
of us, none of us. It seems like, just just
don't know. Yeah, uh so, um, yeah, this is great.
Further attempts to have the Attorney General take control of

(01:32:25):
the investigation. Uh In early summer two seventeen, the President
called Sessions at home to again ask him to reverse
his recusal from the Russia investigation. Sessions did not reverse
his recusal. In October two seventeen, the President met privately
with Sessions in the Oval Office and asked him to
take a look at investigating Clinton. In December two seventeen,
shortly after Flynn pleaded guilty pursuant to a cooperation agreement,

(01:32:46):
the President met with Sessions in the Oval Office and suggested,
according to notes taken by a senior advisor, that if
Sessions unrecused and took back supervision of the Russia investigation.
He would be a quote hero, the President told Sessions,
I'm not going to do anything or direct you to
do anything. I just want to be treated fairly. In response,
Sessions volunteered that he had never seen anything improper on
the campaign and told the president there was a whole

(01:33:07):
new leadership team in place. He did not unrecuse, So
it's like four times just there. The Special Council notes
that it did not make a traditional prosecutorial judgment again
about the President's behavior, but states that the evidence they
found supports a few general statements about him, most of
which boiled down to he may have obstructed justice, but
it's hard to say since the evidence suggests he doesn't
commit he didn't commit the underlying crime, but actively, you know,

(01:33:30):
did act to damage the investigation. UM. So yeah, that
that that's repeatedly stated. Um. The President ultimately refuses to
be interviewed as the result of investigation, but provided some
written answers. H Muller gives an explanation as to why
the or he did not choose the subpoena the president
to force the investigation. Ultimately, while we believe that we

(01:33:51):
had the authority and legal justification to issue a grand
jury subpoena to obtain the president's testimony. We chose not
to do so. We made that decision and view of
the substantial delay that such an investigative step likely produced
at a late stage in our investigation. We also assessed that,
based on the significant body of evidence we had already
obtained on the president's actions and his public and private
statements describing or explaining those actions, we had sufficient evidence
to understand relevant events and to make assessments without the

(01:34:13):
president's testimony. Yeah. Uh, there's a lot of really heavily
redacted paragraphs in this part, the most interesting of which
is this one. Uh. Within the Trump campaign aids, this
is about the DNC hacks. AIDS reacted with enthusiasm to
reports of the hacks. Sentence redacted. Discussed with campaign officials

(01:34:33):
that Wiki Leaks would release the hacked material. Some witnesses
said that Trump himself discussed the possibility of upcoming release
releases a couple of words redacted. Michael Cohen, then executive
vice president of the Trump Organization and special counsel to Trump,
recalled hearing two or three sentences redacted. Cohen recalled the
Trump responded, oh good, all right, and sentence redacted. Manafort

(01:34:53):
said that shortly after Wiki leaks July two thousand sixteen
release of hacked documents, he spoke to Trump. Sentence redacted,
man fort and these are all redacted due to an
ongoing case. Manafort recalled that Trump responded that Manafort should
sentence redacted, keep Trump updated. Deputy campaign manager Rick Gates
said that Manafort was getting pressure from a couple of
words redacted information, and that Manafort instructed Gates a couple

(01:35:14):
of words redacted, uh status updates on upcoming releases. Around
the same time, Gates was with Trump on a trip
to an airport. Sentence redacted, and shortly after the call ended,
Trump told Gates that more releases of damaging information will
be coming. Sentence redacted. We're discussed within the campaign and
the summer of two sixteen, the campaign was planning a
communication strategy based on the possible release of Clinton emails
by Wiki leagues. There it seems to be that sounds

(01:35:36):
like cooperating crime happening. Just the number of redactions. Yeah,
that's some That's the sketchiest paragraph in the whole thing.
Um At least that to my eyes, we should make
a mad Libsler report. We should make a mad Lives
of the Muller Report. I'm just gonna use the word

(01:35:57):
but yeah, but far yeah, most fartu Gate was Gates
with was with Trump on a trip to the airport.
Far far far far far fart fart, and shortly after
the call end, Trump told Gates that more releases of
damaging information will be coming. Fart fart, fart, fart. We're disgusted.
Yeah that works, no or just but no, just make
a sentence. So it's the most damning because he speaks
knowledgeably about what wicked Leaks is about to do, basically

(01:36:19):
like yeah, right, yeah, yeah, just like we talked about. Yeah,
oh good, this this thing that I know is happening. Good.
So Paul came through on that. Yeah, good man of
Fort um So. My favorite story, and maybe the whole
Molder report, is the tale of Donald Trump's lunch with
Chris Christie after firing Flynn. Now, this is on February four, seventeen,

(01:36:43):
the day after Flynn resigned. Um So, Trump had lunch
at the White House with just Chris Christie. Quote. According
to Christie, at one point During the lunch, the President said,
now that we fired Flynn, the Russia thing is over.
Christie laughed and responded, no way. He said, this Russia
thing is far from over, and we'll be here on
Valentine's Day two thousand to eighteen talking about this. The
President said, what do you mean Flynn met with the Russians?

(01:37:05):
That was the problem. I fired Flynn. It's over, Christie recalled,
responding that based on his experience both as a prosecutor
and as someone who had been investigated, firing Flynn would
not end the investigation. Christie said there was no way
to make the investigation shorter, but a lot of ways
to make it longer. The President asked Christie what he meant,
and Christie told the President not to talk about the investigation,
even if he was frustrated with at his time. At times,

(01:37:26):
Christie told the President that he would never be able
to get rid of Flynn like gum on the bottom
of your shoe. Towards the end of the lunch, the
President brought up Comy and asked if Christie was still
friendly with him. Christie said he what was. The President
told Christie to call Comy and tell him that the
President really likes him, tell him he's part of the team.
At the end of the lunch, the President repeated his
request that Christie reach out to Comy. Christie had no
intention of complying with the President's request that he contact Comy.

(01:37:48):
He thought that the president's request was nonsensical and Christie
did not want to put Comy in the position of
having to receive such a phone call. This is one
of like five times the President tells someone to talk
to Comy or someone else to try to get them
to do something, and that person just doesn't do it.
It's like yeah, okay, And just like again, it's like
with McGann when he's like fire Muller and he's like,
I'm packing my ship. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm gonen yea.

(01:38:11):
This is nuts, like really previous, but I'm not doing
this crazy ship. And I just love that. Like Christie
specifically tells Mueller, I've been investigated for crimes, so I
know what to do and it's nothing. Also, I just
love that his Also Trump is so confused because he's
used to this corporate thing. He's like, what Michael was stealing?
Fire him? Okay, good, that's that's delt yeah, like and

(01:38:34):
now it's like, oh, it's not over. What do you mean, Yeah,
I mean his Christie's advice is good, Like, you can't
you can't shorten the investigation, but you can make it
longer by committing crimes, So don't do. And then again,
who knows. Without it would have been like if you know,
if Jared Kushner wasn't in the way of Chris Christie
actually joining the White House Chris, it definitely seems like

(01:38:56):
Trump would have handled all of this better if Christie
had been closer to you know. When you also think
about it, he doesn't listen to anyone, so it could
have been a holographic ghost of his father. Christie McGann
might have taken the same lift away from the White House,
like you know. So the report heavily corroborates Comy's claims
that Trump cleared out the room to speak to just

(01:39:17):
him about letting Flynn go, a decision that could definitely
be seen as a serious attempt to influence the investigation.
Um he talks to other people besides Coney. That also
lists Comey's notes and stuff. It definitely seems like based
on everything the the Mueller investigation dug up. Comey's recitation
of events while he was head of the FBI is
very credible, um the uh Mueller investigation and seems to

(01:39:42):
be concluding that, like what Trump did was obstruction in
this specific instance, although again it doesn't call it that
because it's not going to make a prosecutorial judgment. Um. Well,
the president said he hoped Comy could let let Flynn go,
rather than affirmatively directing him to do so. The circumstances
of the conversation show that the President was asking Comey
to close the s v I S investigation into flint

(01:40:04):
like and so it began pretty clear. Yeah, Trump repeatedly
whined about the investigation during intelligence briefings that comes up
that like he would be talking about like isis and something,
and he'd start whining about the investigation, and the briefers
didn't know what to do about it, Like they were like,
I'm not going to comment, I don't really okay, right, Yeah,

(01:40:25):
you have like someone from like this CI what about
this Russia bullshit? Huh. Yeah. He did repeatedly complain that
the Muller investigation was making his job as president impossible.
But it seems like everyone he worked with besides him
was trying to move on and just do their jobs,
and he was the one that couldn't get rid over it,
which I find interesting. Um, if he had been able to,

(01:40:46):
most of the bad behavior in this section would not
have occurred. Uh yeah. On at least two occasions, the
President began the Presidential Daily Briefings by student that there
was no collusion with Russia and he hoped to press
statement to that effect could be issued. Pompeo, head of
the CIA, recalled that the President vented about the investigation
of multiple occasions, complaining that there was no evidence against
him and that nobody would publicly defend him. Um. Yeah,

(01:41:06):
that's it's it's pretty wild. Michael Flynn would have defended me. Yeah,
he sure what a buddy, He sure would have um his.
Trump repeatedly badgered Comy in other Department of Justice officials
to announce that he was not under investigation. They tried
to explain to him why this was a bad idea,
but he did not listen to them. Trump basically used

(01:41:27):
compe firing Comey as an excuse to note that on
three occasions, the FBI director told him that the President
was not under investigations, Like it seems like his primary
reason in firing Comy is that Comey wouldn't state publicly
that he had told the President that he wasn't under investigation,
and Trump used the firing memo as an excuse to
say that, Um, yeah, it's it's it's pretty pretty wild.

(01:41:49):
The Molar report definitely seems to be concluding that the
firing of James Comy may have also been an example
of obstruction of justice. Um, so that's pretty cool. What
versions are? What version of the report are you looking at?
Do you do you fucking think we'll believe? Now? What version?

(01:42:12):
Because we know for a fact Trump is not reading
the report? No, good god, no, no, it's a thing.
We're probably not reading an entire article about the report.
Um there's a chance he might be might have listened
to bars entire summary, but like, what, what do you
think he knows? Because it does seem like across the

(01:42:33):
days after the day after the report, he started calling
some of the details bullshit, Like I just wonder, we've
never had a president who can't or won't read before? What?
How how is the information coming to him? Like how
is he digesting? Is it just foxes? It seems like
he mostly gets it from Fox News, right, That's been

(01:42:56):
the past, But this is like such a specific doc
he meant, and it's so dense that like, I just
I'm curious like that. I mean, I'm sure there'll be
another book where someone talks about how they had to
like dumb it, like cliffs notes it or just highlight.
This doesn't talk about how Trump gets his information, but
it does talk about how relentlessly when he's interested in something,

(01:43:18):
like he was incapable of not asking everyone around him
to try to get Comy to drop the Flynn thing
when that was his focus. And then like when he
wanted someone to say that he wasn't being investigated, he
brought that up to every single person he talked to,
because again, he's kind of incapable of listening to people,
especially when there's something on his mind like this. Right,
I bet there's a lot of conversations happening where he

(01:43:42):
implies that he's read the Muller Report, but everybody knows
he hasn't. He's like, what do you think of it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
remember page I remember that part that was right? I mean,
total bullshit. Um. So the fact that like the so

(01:44:05):
the report notes that the firing of James Comey would
was never like going to close the investigation and could
not have, which is a mark in the president's defense. Um,
it seems accurate to say that Trump's intent in firing
Comey was to punish him for not openly stating that
he Trump was not being investigated more than it was
an attempt to disrupt the investigation. That seems to be

(01:44:25):
the conclusion that the Mulder report makes. Uh. The analysis
of whether or not the President obstructed justice gets really
interesting after this point in the report. It notes that
his talk to Comy about the loyalty pledge, if you'll
remember his asking Comy to be loyal does support the
fact that he was trying to put the kabosh on
the investigation. Um. But then it basically says that Mueller, Yeah,
I'm just gonna read this quote because it's pretty remarkable.

(01:44:47):
As described in Volume one, the evidence uncovered in the
investigation did not establish that the President or those close
to him were involved in the charge Russian computer hacking
or active measure conspiracies, or that the President otherwise had
an unlawful relationship with any Russian official. But the evidence
does indicate that a thorough fd FBI investigation would uncover
facts about the campaign and the president personally that the

(01:45:08):
President could have understood to be crimes or that would
give rise to personal and political concerns. So he's saying that, like,
we didn't find any evidence of a conspiracy with Russia,
but the evidence suggests that the reason the president was
so worried about the investigation is because he committed a
bunch of other crimes that he was worried wouldn't be revealed.
That's Comey stating that as directly as he can. Um. Mueller,

(01:45:34):
Mueller staging that. Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah, just kind of
circling back on a detail that we talked about earlier. Um,
just in terms of like Trump and the people around
him having direct Russian ties. Somebody was pointing out, and
this is a detail that I hadn't really heard. I

(01:45:56):
think it was Andrew Sullivan was pointing out in the
Intelligence or the New York Magazine thing that in the
days immediately after the election, uh Putin and a lot
of Russian officials were scrambling to try and get access
to Trump. So that's kind of the best argument I've

(01:46:17):
seen for why like the at least the idea that
like there was some deep, deeply tied in uh conspiracy
like probably isn't true like all the unless it's tempening
through people around him right there. Yeah, yeah, because I don't. Yeah,
it's hard to be like Trump fully knows the full

(01:46:39):
extent of everything, knows like just enough to be to
know how to move, but not enough to seem completely
on the hook for anything. And I think that some
of that might be the Russian government giving him too
much credit, because knowing what we know now, if I
was the Russian government, I was trying to influence him,
I would just have I would just reach out to
someone on Fox News and get them to talk about
the president should let Russia have Eastern Ukraine? Like that,

(01:47:00):
you don't even you don't need to talk. He doesn't
listen to people who talked to Like I'm gonna guess
that's what Putin learned in their meeting, is that like,
oh my god, this guy can't pay attention. Hear me,
He's just talking about Comey, who the fund is? James
to me, like a hand of that? Would you say
that the investigation is not into me? Like right? Yeah?
Um so uh it talks about for a while about

(01:47:22):
how he repeatedly tried to file the special counsel McGan
after McGann refused to uh talk about how they were
conflicts of interest between Robert Mullen. What Trump thought was
a conflict of interest is that Mueller had interviewed for
the head of the FBI job and not gotten it, which,
like everyone else was like, that's not conflict of interest.

(01:47:42):
And he was like, you got to tell people about
this conflict of interest. But it wasn't even that, but
it's not. It was the golf course thing too. Oh wait, wait, wait,
wait where he was like, Robert Muller tried to get
into one of the golf courses. Oh that's not in here.
Wait is that another one of them? Or maybe I
missed it, look at but I'm one of the other
things that was he was pointing to was like he's

(01:48:03):
mad that he he tried to get into like a
club and didn't or some other it was something. It
was like, what you're also putting that layer on top
of it. Beautiful that that is a very Trump story,
Trump March three, But we have conflicts. I have a
nasty business transaction with Robert Mueller a number of years ago,
I said, why isn't that mentioned? He wants the job

(01:48:25):
as FBI director. I mean, these are things that are
out there, they know it. Why isn't that and I
didn't give it to him? Why isn't that mentioned? Wow?
But what about the membership fees for Trump National Golf Course.
I think that's the nasty business transaction that he's talking about.
Bob Mueller couldn't golf at a mediocre golf course, or

(01:48:47):
it was it was a dispute over fees or okay,
so it wasn't so okay. Robert Mueller's family was members
of the Trump National Golf Course. He said, we actually
we're not even using the membership anymore. We'd like to
cancel it. Can we get some more membership fees back?
And they did, right, okay, but that was like pretty damning,

(01:49:10):
Well this changes everything. Yeah, let's just throw this, you
know what. I'm sorry we wasted everyone's time listening. I
believe that a man was shot, who was shot in
combat for his country, would would because because golf club membership,
of golf club membership, he recouped uh. And that I

(01:49:31):
do think that is more than anything a window into
trump psyche, because that is totally something he would do.
Trump would burn this country down if someone somebody oft
refund for yeah, oh yeah yeah. Now you probably have
run into some of some quotes from pieces of Trump's

(01:49:52):
reaction when he was first told about the special counsel investigation.
I want to read that little bit in full because
it's it's good for the soul, and we could all
use that. At this point, the President learned of the
special council's appointment from Sessions, who was with the President, Hunt,
and McGann during conducting interviews for a new FBI director.
Session stepped out of the Oval office to take a
call from Rosenstein, who told him about the special council appointment,

(01:50:15):
and Sessions then returned to inform the President of the news.
According to notes written by Hunt, when Sessions told the
President that a special council had been appointed, the President
slumped back in his chair and said, oh my god,
this is terrible. This is the end of my presidency.
I'm fucked. The President became angry and lambastad the Attorney
General for his decision to not recuse the investigation, stating,
how could you let this happen? Jeff The President said

(01:50:37):
the position of attorney General was his most important appointment
and that Sessions had let him down, contrasting him to
Eric Holder and Robert Kennedy. Sessions recalled that the President
said to him, you were supposed to protect me, or
words to that effect. The President returned to the consequences
of the appointment and said, everyone tells me that if
you get one of these independent councils that ruins your presidency,
it takes years and I won't people to do anything.
This is the worst thing that's ever happened to me.

(01:50:59):
The President told Sessions he should resign as attorney General.
Sessions agreed to resubmit his resignation and left the Oval office.
Hicks saw the President shortly after Sessions departed and described
the President as being extremely upset by the special counsel's appointment.
Hicks said that she had only seen the President like
that one other time, when the Access Hollywood tape came
out during the campaign. H chefs, Ah, it was it. Uh,

(01:51:24):
Eric Ericsson maybe was the one. So I'm trying to
think of the person. Oh no, it was someone from
Gateway Pundit. I think Jim Hofft who said that that line.
The reason why the president acted responded, I'm fucked, it's
over is because he knew that the deep state had
now initiated a coup against him, and that was the reason. Yeah,

(01:51:48):
m cool. It's just funny to see like the ways
there like journalists on the right or trying to answer
a rationalizing Oh yeah, it wasn't because he did anything wrong,
because he knew the deep state was gonna suck and
the whole thing. So yeah, yeah, there's also just such
child like little child vibes to it. This is the

(01:52:09):
worst thing that's ever happened to me. And there's a
lot about this that led to like you just hear
how much how little trust everyone around the president has
for him. Um So, Sessions gave in his resignation papers,
but Trump ultimately didn't ask him to resign yet, but
the President kept his resignation left letter, and then Rerines
previous was like, Jeff, you gotta get that letter back.

(01:52:30):
It's going to be The words he used was a
shot caller on the Department of Justice's neck, Like you
have to take that back. Um So, the president tried
to argue that Mueller interviewing for the Yeah, yeah, So
the President tried to argue that Muller interviewing for the
director of the FBI job was a conflict of interest.
Steve Bannon told him that was ridiculous and petty. Like
Steve Bannon called it petty because at least he's somewhat

(01:52:55):
in touch with the version of reality. Some people are engaged.
You have to be to be a good propagandists have
to at least know what the world is. You'll be like, yeah, man,
I'm telling you, cupcakes are making our kids all freaky
and ship. Like what it's speaking of cupcakes making our
kids all freaky and ship. We have some products now

(01:53:18):
for freak cakes. Freak cakes, they make your kids unhealthy
and think for themselves by umb. So, if you how
much money are we getting from the freak cakes people,
usually high number. First, your diamond encrusted grill says freak
cakes on it. Well, let me tell you about freak cakes, miles,

(01:53:41):
the only cakes that clean your teeth. Now, we're getting
a lot of pushback from big Dental here every morning,
dentists outside my door, picketing, fighting, fire bombing my windows.
That's why I've got those diamond girls on the Wendows,
so funk with big dentistry and buy some freak cakes.

(01:54:05):
We're back. Speaking of us being back, here's more of
the Mueller report. Are you dead inside yet? Back? Because
Trump got stabbed in the back by the Deep States?
Sure did? Nice Jack, Jack returning on this round. I'm
going to robot everything you say. Oh boy, well, you're
gonna have to about everything Mueller says, because you got
a we got a big mule quote here good, I'm ready.

(01:54:27):
So the President repeatedly hammered McGann, his lawyer, to try
and get to try to get McGann to call the
Department of Justice and tell Rod Rosenstein that Mueller had
to go. Uh. This next paragraph paints a very vivid
picture of what it's like working for Donald Trump. When
the President called McGann a second time to follow up
on the order to call the Department of Justice, McGan
recalled that the President was more direct, saying something like

(01:54:49):
cal Rod, tell Rod that Mueller his conflicts and can't
be the special counsel. McGan recalled the President telling him
Mueller has got to go. Call me back when you
do it. McGann understood the President to be saying that
the special counselor had to be removed by Rosenstein. To
end the conversation with the president, McGan left the president
with the impression that McGann would call Rosenstein. McGan recalled
that he had already said no to the President's request,
that he was worn down, so he just wanted to

(01:55:11):
get off the phone. McGann recalled feeling trapped because he
did not plan to follow the president's directive, but did
not know what he would say the next time the
President called. McGann did decided he had to resign. He
called his personal lawyer and then called a chief of
staff and Annie Donaldson, informer of his decision. He then
drove to the office to pack his belonging to submit
his resignation letter. Donaldson recalled him again, told her the
President had called and demanded he contact the Apartment of Justice,

(01:55:34):
and that the President wanted him to do something that
McGann did not want to do. McGann told Donaldson that
the President had called at least twice and and asked
in one of the calls, have you done it just
real quick? Um? Because I have I listened to the
slow burn about the Clinton Lewinsky affair and the just
the Watergate investigation and the level of intrigue and just

(01:56:02):
Clinton doing bad things is so minimal that and the
Republicans freaked out about that for ten years in a
row basically and still are and still are freaking out
about it. And they have the balls to, uh say
that call our interest in this guy who can't who

(01:56:27):
can't stop committing crimes. They have the balls to call
that Trump derangement syndrome. I just wanted to put perspective
stop when crimes, when his employees who have a vested
interest in his political success, repeatedly say please, don't do anything,
You're not in danger, and then he endangers himself demanding
that they commit crimes, calling them at all hours of

(01:56:48):
the day, call Rode and say Mueller has to go.
He has conflicts, those conflicts again just like that, Yeah,
what was the problem. That's not how it works. What
do you mean? So McGann later told rens Prebus when
he was still trying to resign, that the President had
asked him to do crazy ship and seems to have

(01:57:08):
been on the verge of resigning, but eventually did not
in the President eventually dropped the issue because again he
has the attention span of a fourteen year old um
as to whether or not this is collusion. While the
President claimed he was just asking McGann to bring up
Mueller's possible conflicts of interest to the Department of Justice,
but and then the mole Report notes that some evidence
does support this, but quote substantial evidence, however, supports the

(01:57:30):
conclusion that the President went further and in fact directed
McGann to call Rosenstein to have the special counsel removed,
which again his substruction of justice. The report notes that
the president's conversations with numerous other people during this period,
including Prebus and Chris Christie, showed that he had an
intense desire to, in the president's words, knock out Mueller.
Kind of fun to think of mullotyping all that out now.

(01:57:52):
The evidence shows that the President was not just seeking
an examination of whether conflicts of interest existed, but was
instead looking to use asserted conflicts as a way to
termine the special counsel. So again, the conclusion by the
Muller Report is basically, the president committed obstruction of justice,
but we we can't say that because that's not in
the scope of this thing. Here's this outlining the obstruction
he committed. Here is a detailed description of him committing

(01:58:15):
obstruction of justice. Yeah. Also, that's a good it's a
good snapshot of what life is like for people who
work for Donald Trump. It's also a good testimony to
how to deal with a shitty boss. Just say yeah, yeah,
sure boss, and then don't do the terrible idea he's
telling you to do. That's that almost always works. Oh yeah,

(01:58:35):
it every day. Fuck you, Miles, Yes, sir, I'm going
to get right away. Yeah. And and speaking of that, Jack,
there's another great detail of that later in the report
on again. This is like a December of two thousand seventeen,
after Flynn pleaded guilty of him hammering Jeff Sessions again
to unrecus According to contemporaneous notes taken by Port, the

(01:59:00):
President said, I don't know if you could unrecuse yourself,
you'd be a hero. Not telling you to do anything.
Dershowitz says, potus can get involved, can order a g
to investigate. I don't want to get involved. I'm not
going to get involved. I'm not going to do anything
or to reckue to do anything. I just want to
be treated fairly. Huh. Yeah, Now, the report does seem
to suggest that Trump's constant attempts to get Sessions to
unrecuse himself were, in fact acts of obstruction, do they

(01:59:23):
And they use quotes there too when they sound recused
in that instance, let me see yes, okay, yeah, so
I like so that really is like a shade move. Yeah,
that's a shade move. This is not a word in
Trump vocabu you will unrecuse yourself. Yeah, So the report

(01:59:43):
does seem to conclude that Trump's constant attempts to get
Session to unrecuse we're in fact acts of obstruction. Uh, Like,
I've seen the quotes every time, every time, every time
recused himself. He seems very irritated by this point. There
is Yeah, he's one. Just is fun this guy. He

(02:00:03):
really frustrated at the President and at Paul Manafort. Yeah yeah,
well I hear he's reading the report for audible. So
that's gonna be Roberta. We actually are having handling on
behind the bastards soon. But we're not We're not talking
about Trump. We're gonna we're gonna, we're gonna finally talking
about how he nailed the NFL. We're gonna finally get

(02:00:24):
that Mao episode out. Bob Mueller seemed like the guest
for that. He's actually, if you heard his type five
down at the Comedy Factory, really solid. I was surprised
he was doing so well with the prop bits. But yeah,
he's actually, yeah, he's little racy, but uh yeah, right, yeah,
really racy. It's like, yeah, well, because he says racy
and then pulls out an inflatable race car. Yeah, yeah

(02:00:46):
he does. It's a good joke. It's a good it's
a good it's an afro on it. Yeah, that's what.
The report does seem to suggest that Trump's constant attempts
to get Sessions to unrecuse himself were in act acts
of obstruction. Quote. There's evidence that at least one purpose
of the President's conduct towards Sessions was to have Sessions
assume control of the Russia investigation and supervise it in

(02:01:08):
a way that would restrict its scope. A reasonable inference
from those statements and the president's actions is that the
president believe that an unrefused Attorney General would pay a
protective role and could shield the president from the ongoing
Russia investigation. Um. Yeah, uh, it's constantly interesting to me,
how little loyalty and like is shown by the people

(02:01:29):
who are close to President Trump. Um. Yeah, uh. He
asked Rob Porter, the White House staff secretary, to deliver
the president's demands to Rigan that he don McGan that
he denied publicly the President had ever tried to fall
fire Mueller. Um. McGann dismissed that like the threat that
he would be fired if he didn't deliver this by
saying that it would look bad for the president if

(02:01:50):
he did this, and McGann turn him down again. So
again he keeps ordering McGan to break the law, and
Began doesn't break the law. And that's part of why
the case against him as an clearer because people didn't
listen when he repeat, these are lawyers. Yeah. McGann acknowledged
that he had not told the president directly that he

(02:02:12):
planned to resign, but said that the story was otherwise accurate.
The President asked McGann, did I say the word fire?
McGan responded, what you said is Calrod Rosenstein tell Rod
that Mueller has conflicts and can't be the special counsel.
The President responded, I never said that. The President said
that he merely wanted Began to raise the conflicts issue
with Rosenstein and leave it to him to decide what
to do. McGann told the President that he did not
understand the conversations that way and instead of heard call

(02:02:33):
Rod there are conflicts. Mueller has to go. The President
asked McGan whether or not he would do a correction,
and McGann said, no, do do a correction. Yeah, do
a correction. I'm sorry, let me do a correction. Really great,
And this is all about, by the way, a New
York Times report stating that the President had tried to
get McGann to fire Mueller, which Trump claimed publicly was

(02:02:56):
all lies by the bias New York Times, and McGann
himself was like, no, they got it right. No. That's
a funny thing too, is so many journalists are vindicated
to from this report to when things came out there
like oh, this is all unfounded, blah blah, and a
lot of this stuff is now in here. That's why
the Glenn Greenwald thing of him being like, see it
was all bullshit is like, wait, did you even read

(02:03:16):
the report, Because like, all this stuff you've been like
saying was bullshit and overblown has been born out in
this report because Glenn Greenwald was not going to do
what I did and spend the entire all of yesterday
in a dank room drinking King Scotch and reading the
Mueller Report. Because Glenn Greenwald lives on a mansion above
a Brazilian favela filled with dogs, and it's better things

(02:03:36):
to do than read this report. Is that where he lives? Yeah? Yeah,
he makes like a million dollars a year. Yeah, he
lives in Brazil, crushing it. I didn't know that with
his beautiful husband. He's one of the best journalists on
the planet. Oh God, bless you, God bless him. And
he lives above the favelas and where like Rio or something.

(02:03:57):
I think it's in or might piece up all I
don't off the top of my head. Yeah, yeah, but
it seems like the sort of thing that he had
locked and loaded right before the report even came out.
There's no way he read it all. Good God, no
four hours. It would betray everything he's done up until then.
He's not. He's It took me eight and I really
half asked the reading of this report, guys, and I

(02:04:17):
know it's obvious. So this is all leading up to
my very favorite paragraph and the entire Muller report. Um,
and this is as he's he's talking to McGan. The
President also asked McGann in a meeting why he had
told Special Counsel's Office investigators that the President had told
him to have the special counsel removed. McGan responded that
he had to and that his conversations with the President
were not protected by attorney client privilege. The President then asked,

(02:04:40):
what about these notes. Why do you take notes? Lawyers
don't take notes. I never had a lawyer who took notes.
McGan responded that he keeps notes because he's a real lawyer,
and explains that notes create a record and are not
a bad thing. The President said, I've had a lot
of great lawyers like Ray Cohen. He didn't take notes,
Boom mob lawyer Roy coh famous crime lawyer Roy like

(02:05:05):
Roy Cohne, because I'm not committing crimes that guarantee you'll
be impeached. Like, I'm not going to do that because
I'm a real lawyer. But Gan's one of the guys
who come across from this being like, well, at least
your comt because I'm a real lawyer. Is such a
condescending answer to be giving to the President, and I'm

(02:05:29):
sure to like with Trump, he's like not used to
being spoken to like that, and I'm sure Don McGann
is like, fuck you mode, I don't like ship. Trump
probably took all that. He's like because I'm a real lawyer,
because he's seen what's happening to Flynn. I'm not going
to go to prison for you, and other people probably
would never. I hope that Don McGann was so just shitty,
like I mean, obviously fuck him, like guiding Brett Kavanaugh

(02:05:51):
through the confirmation ship and he's a bad person, Like
just if it were like a scene in a show
of just being like, shut shut the funk up. Because
I'm a real lawyer, you fun. Because I'm a lawyer,
I'm taking it's not banned to take notes, Donald, I've
never seen that. You've never seen that. The TV show
that it would be someone Right, Yeah, the TV show
that I would be from would not be House of Cards,

(02:06:13):
it would be Veep. Because you also have to imagine
that McGann was taking notes of that conversation. Well, this
is telling him not to take notes. So Trump was
then like, you're doing it again. It's like, you know,
asking about notes, said creating record just said, but Roy
Khane didn't do that. Okay, I got what I need, Yeah,

(02:06:34):
Mr President, like I got a lot of tables. Man,
I gotta get out of here. Yeah. Next we get
into a bunch more stuff of the Manifort stuff, which
again it's a lot of obstruction e stuff there you
can read it. We already talked about a lot of
Maniforts crimes, a decent amount of it still redacted. We
get to what's probably Roger Stone next. But again everything
about Stone is redacted right now, so it's a little

(02:06:56):
bit hard to say. There is a partially redacted paragraph,
uh talking about the President Michael Cohen that makes Donald
Trump sound exactly like a mob boss. So I'm gonna
read that next. A few days after the searches, the
President called Cohen. According to Cohen, the President said he
wanted to check in and asked if Cohen was okay,
and the President encouraged Cohen to hang in there and
stay strong. Cohen also recalled that following the searches, this

(02:07:17):
is after Cohen's house had been searched, Uh, he heard
from individuals who were in touch with the President related
to Cohen the President support for him. Cohen recalled that Blank,
a friend of the president's, reached out to say that
he was with the boss bosses Capitalized and mar Lago,
and the President said he loves you and not to worry.
Cohen recalled that redacted for the Trump organization told him
the Boss loves you, and Cohen said that redacted, a

(02:07:40):
friend of the presidents told him, everyone knows the Boss
has your back. Uh. That's that's that's a mob ash ship.
That is a mob ship. But it's also like very touchy, feely, warm, yeah,
sentimental for Trump. Yeah, and an army general. Yeah, Like
that's probably as warm and feely as my Michael Cohen

(02:08:00):
has ever been, including like on his wedding night. So yeah, yeah.
The fact that he has turned and sorry, I take
a bullet for him, well, and I'm gonna testify, but
he has to say it and in the third person,
because saying you would be like two emotional and he

(02:08:21):
said that. The report concludes the President probably knew and
directly approved of Michael Cohen lying to Congress. The evidence
could support an inference that the President was aware of
these facts at the time of Cohen's false statements to Congress. Um.
So again, so the president probably committed a crime, and
the evidence could probably support that he committed a crime. Yeah, Yeah,

(02:08:42):
that's what Mueller seems to be saying. At the conclusion
of the report, it reiterates that it will not make
traditional prosecutorial judgments, but does note some conclusions in this investigation.
The evidence does not established that the president was involved
in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference, but
the evidence does point to a range of other possible
person emotives animating the president's conduct. These include concerns that

(02:09:03):
continued investigation would call into question the legitimacy of his election,
and potential uncertainty about whether certain events such as advanced
notice of Wiki leaks's release of hacked information, or the
June nine, sixteen meeting between senior campaign officials and Russians,
could be seen as criminal activity by the president, his campaign,
or his family. Third, many of the president's acts directed
at witnesses, including the discouragement of cooperation with the government

(02:09:25):
and suggestions of possible future partners, occurred in public view. Well,
it may be more difficult to establish that public facing
acts were motivated by a corrupt intent. The President's power
to influence actions, persons, and events is enhanced by his
unique ability to attract attention through use of mass communications,
and no principle of law excludes public acts from the
scope of obstruction statutes. At the likely effect of the

(02:09:45):
access to intimidate witnesses or alter their testimony, the justice
system's integrity is equally threatened. That seems so damned like
such a sane description of what the president was doing
than like nobody was using like those sorts of straightforward
words to describe what he was doing for so long,

(02:10:08):
and he's just like, no, this is how it works.
You can't publicly intimidate people. Yeah. Muller notes that the
president's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but
that is largely because the persons who surrounded the president
declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests.
He kept urging them to do crimes, and they were

(02:10:29):
just a little too smart to do it, right. Yeah. Uh,
And I just I don't want to go to prison.
I don't want you to go to prison. So I
guess not that he yells at you for an hour
and a half yeah, so. Uh. It notes after this
that the president is not immune to charges for obstruction

(02:10:51):
of justice just by the nature of being the president. Uh.
And then you know, I'm going to read essentially the
final word in the report before the appendix, this well
final paragraph, which in any sane society would be damning.
Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment,
we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the president's conduct.

(02:11:11):
The evidence we obtained about the president's actions and intent
presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if
we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time,
if we had confidence, after a thorough investigation of the facts,
that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of justice,
we would so state, based on the facts and the
applicable legal standard, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly,

(02:11:33):
while this report does not conclude that the president committed
a crime, it also does not exonerate him for the
third time. Right, that's my fucking notes. Who really threw
that bagel down? Where are the bagels? Where's my tossing bagels?
They're already on the ground. Bring me my tossing bagels.

(02:11:54):
Fuck you. I I'm not surprised by anything in there. Uh. Um,
you know, Weeny William Barr to do some splaining, you
need some Robert Mueller splaining. And uh, I mean all
this really shows is like this is I think the
beginning of a much longer process. Yeah. I mean again again,

(02:12:14):
there's still fourteen ongoing criminal investigations. So is there a
version of this where they don't say we're going forward
with impeachment hearings, but they do continue to like have hearings. Yeah,
that's possible. They can investigate all these others. I think
it's a foregotten conclusion that Mueller is going to talk
to Congress. That's and the Congress has already requested the

(02:12:36):
unredacted version of the report, so that's probably going to happen. Um.
So far, Democratic leadership has been unwilling to in fact
directly stated they don't want to pursue impeachment, which, like
I will say, based on my non lawyer knowledge of
what I read in the report, definitely seems like there's
enough to impeach over like to at least you know,

(02:12:58):
do because obviously impeaching doesn't mean he gets kicked out
of the job. It's just starts. Impeaching is just a
political There's definitely more there than there was with Clinton,
um in terms of uh crime that was probably committed. Uh,
but at the state, like people are wondering, like is
it a good political strategy to impeach him? Which, like,

(02:13:19):
is it a good political strategy to just like not
charge the president for his multiple crimes? Yeah, I hope
that you win the next election, like Democrats often don't like.
But there's no version of reality where the Democrats are
able to act successfully impeach Trump from office given what

(02:13:41):
is currently out there. So they would need depends on
the votes too. Yeah, votes for on the Senate would
require a bunch of Republicans to vote to impeach Trump.
And that, I mean that is a good point that like,
if he gets impeached and then like is actually kicked out,
he might claim vindication or something you can say, it'll

(02:14:04):
probably drag on up until the election. And b And
the last time we saw an unsuccessful impeaching of a president,
the president saw a huge boost after. Yeah, although the
president there like his poll numbers flat as a fucking
door nail. Uh, this president. Yeah, well, just in the

(02:14:24):
wake of the Mullar report coming out, like it doesn't
seem to have had any impact, Like when we're looking
at like but yeah, but but it's been like a
week or two since bar announced no collusion or whatever,
and it didn't do anything because I think most people
they don't need the report on either side to still
believe he's either the best thing to happen or the
worst thing to happen. So so then I guess when
you look at it from there, you're like, well, then

(02:14:47):
if it's not going to move the needle that much,
is it the best? Is that the best way of
I'm not going to make a judgment on whether or
not he should be impeached, because there's a lot of
thinking behind that. I will say it seems like a
horrible dereliction of duty to not h hammer every aspect
of this, Uh, bring Muller up before Congress, like like

(02:15:11):
like publicize heavily every investigation that is still ongoing, like
it needs to be kept in the public eye up
until the election. Yeah, and maybe committed a huge number
of crimes, it sounds like. And by having people like
under oath in a televised test like if they're testifying
and giving testimony. You can hopefully chip away a little

(02:15:33):
bit at the court of public opinion too, if you
if it's NonStop of people being like yeah, and then
he asked me to do this and I was like, yeah,
I can't do that. Yeah. I want to hear Donald
McGann talk about all of the times Trump tried to
get him to commit crimes in front of Congress. I
really want that because what was the the in the
Watergate thing, Like one of the first ones was like
just like an office assistant who they asked to shred

(02:15:55):
documents and like that whole thing was kind of the
first anecdote that people like, what's going on? Yeah, because
like higher up, like I don't know how to use
this documents shredder, right, And the idea that Nixon should
be impeached was incredibly unpopular at the start of those
televised hearings, and it completely flipped by the end of
the televised hearings. But I mean, I think people are

(02:16:18):
too aware of this whole process too, uh, like have
their mind changed that much by a televised thing. But
I do think you know, as we're you know, looking
at the election, if there is a televised Uh, you know,
hearing where different just incompetence and dishonesty and just being

(02:16:43):
terrible at the job are like kind of coming out
and drips and drops. That's not a bad thing for Democrats,
And that seems like it would be a smart strategy. Yeah,
it does seem like it would be a smart strategy.
But we are talking about the Democratic Party here, so
I look forward to them doing something that makes everything worse. Yeah, yeah,

(02:17:06):
that is what I can rely on the Democratic Party for.
So I'm excited about Hillary run with Tim Caine once again.
Biden Kane ticket baby? Yeah, who do we who do we?
Who do we talk? How do we? How do we
get the lefties on board? Oh? Let's bring back Tim Kane.

(02:17:27):
Love Tim Kane, Jack breaking. Mike just fell off, probably
maybe related to all of the bagel tossing I've been doing,
no way to know. See, you've angered You've angered the Lord.
You know what, Daniel, when you get done with him
and those bagels again, I'm gonna give one more good
tossing before we before we threat on it. Yeah, you guys,

(02:17:47):
and he got any got any pluggables to plug bagel's
down there? Thank you? Dan Last time I did. I
did glade plug ins, I did belkan Searge protectors for
your plugable enemy. Um yeah done here. Daily Zeitgeist Daily
check it out. Oh they already know week daily Monday
through Friday. Well not not everybody, fuck bro, It's the

(02:18:12):
sickest secondary podcast in the building. Man. Check out the
Daily Zeitgeist. If you're looking for a great tube of
throwing bagels, I can recommend Sairly Deluxe Bagel's Blueberry. Really
than just listen to how good these toss solid bounce
off one of the soundboards onto a couch. Really good
throwing bagels and they're still intact. Those will be eating

(02:18:33):
those bagels. So yeah, it's because the preservatives. Baby. I
think those bagels became throwing bagels because nobody wanted to
eat them and I didn't want to throw them. They
were therefore donated to the throwing bagel throwing Bagel basket
that we can put for Robert every day. So buy
some throwing bagels of your own, tossome to relieve your
frustration about the Muller Report and the horrible morass of

(02:18:55):
of hatred that we are all slouching closer to. In
gotta be a funnel like looking Forward the Best. Hey, Robert,
do you have any plug Bulls? No, I think you do.
I don't have any other shows, that's right, he only does.
I don't even I don't even do this show. And
I wanna talk about a podcast that I've been listening

(02:19:16):
to lately, big fan slow Burn. Yeah, it's called Slowburn. No,
it's called it could Happen Here. Uh. It is terrifying.
It's about the possibility of a second American Civil War
ties into all this a little bit. Yeah, it ties
into all this wishes at the border. Yeah. Uh. What
you might not know is when we're talking about, you know,

(02:19:39):
possible impeachment, that the right is already saying they will
murder us in the streets if if people try and
remove Trump from office. So just some of them, including
several of the people named in the Muller report. Yeah,
so that's worth taking into account. Uh. Yeah, it could
happen here is mind blowing, very weak. It's growing more

(02:20:02):
and more. It's become a phenomenon. Check it out. It
could happen here. So make yourself sad and scared what
it could happen here, and then stockpile food and armaments
and those buckets and from Jim Baker. From Jim Baker, Yeah,
Baker buckets actually by Indian Army rations. They have a
really good shelf life. The pretty pretty cheap, and they're

(02:20:23):
probably like good flavors, really good. I mean, yeah, you
want a lot of curry in your rations, like a chowman,
m R, m R. You can get out here. Those
are the worst ones, all right. I have a podcast
called Behind the Bastards, which this is, oh the podcast,
this is I'm all out of sorts. You're so good
at that. I liked when Jack was plugging your show.

(02:20:43):
It felt like a weird like toast at a wedding.
I got a podcast I want to tell you about.
It's like Robert's like, oh god, I am hungover from
the Mueller Report. It's it's terrible. Um. Also, buy merts
for both of our show from Tea Public. It will
keep you warm as the country burns down around you,

(02:21:06):
or we'll keep you cool. Get the top, get it,
get it to top, because it's going to be even warmer.
So could be insurgent warfare, climate change. I don't know.
You might not need sleeves anymore. I'm just saying nothing
looks better than a freedom fighter with like those arms
buried the big gun arms. You could be like that
guy in Libya who stuck a cannon and a shopping cart.

(02:21:28):
Shopping technical it wasn't, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, the podcast
is over. Go hug your family, kiss a cat, throw
some bagels,

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