Are there Aliens?

Are we the only life in the Universe? What are scientists doing to find out?

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Have you ever looked up at the night sky and
wondered if there's life in other parts of the universe?
You mean our aliens? Real? Yeah, I mean some of
these questions are so deep that no matter what the
answer is, it's going to blow your mind. So like,
if there is life out there, that would be totally
mind blowing. And if we're the only living beings in
the entire universe, oh my gosh, also mind blowing. Him.

(00:46):
And I'm Daniel, and I'm a cartoonists former roboticist, and
I'm a particle physicist, which means I know things about
particles and space and the universe, and I make up
things about aliens. Welcome to our podcast, Daniel and Horror
Explain the Universe today. On the program, we're asking the
question are we alone in the universe? Is there anyone

(01:14):
else out there that thinks and feels and loves and
slips on bananas? Or is it just us in the
universe thinking and feeling? Are we the only ones intelligent
or somewhat intelligent in this entire universe at least? Do
you think humans are intelligent? Or hey, I mean that
says something about you right there. Well, it's a little bar.

(01:37):
Sometimes I wonder if aliens have come to Earth and
just sort of dismissed us as not intelligent life and
moved on. Yeah, They're like, oh my god, we don't
want to associate with these people, these dumb rocks. So
we were wondering about this question, and as usual, we
went out and we asked people on the street. We said,
do you think we're alone in the universe or is
there other intelligent life out there? What do you think

(01:57):
are we the only ones in the universe. Here's what
they had to say. I definitely think there's other intelligence
out there. Why is that? Well, first of all, I
think it's kind of arrogant to think that we're the
only ones here because it's a pretty big place. I
think it's possible that there's other intelligent life just because
of how spacious the universe is. I think there's another

(02:18):
intelligent life somewhere out there. Yeah, I think because I
think the universe is so big, and I don't I
just don't think it's possible that human as the only
intelligence forever life. Yeah, alright, So I think most people
seem to be pretty optimistic about it, right, You think
that's optimistic? I was surprised that everybody believes in aliens,

(02:39):
Like almost every single person thinks there is other intelligent
life out there, right, I was really shocked. I thought
there's gonna be a lot more skepticism, really a lot
more like human centric people like we're special. Yeah. Well,
you know, America is a fairly religious nation, and the
narrative of the mainstream Christianity is that humans were made
in the image of God, and there's not a whole

(02:59):
lot a place in that narrative for other intelligent races. Well,
I guess there's nothing on the In the Bible, it
says that there aren't aliens. Right, Oh, that's true, I suppose,
But are they human like or you know, other weird
stuff or yeah, I suppose. Yeah. Anyway, it would be
a fascinating moment and a reckoning for Christianity and most
religions the day that we discover other intelligent life. You

(03:20):
and I should write that Extra Testament, the Newest Testament
by Jorhand Daniel, the Extra Terrestrial Testament, the Terrestament. But
I was surprised by how subtle people's arguments were. You know,
they were like, um, it's a big universe, so it
would be surprising if we were the only ones. Like,

(03:41):
that's a very kind of subtle argument, right, what's subtle
about it? I mean they're just saying it's huge, and
so it's probably not empty, right, there's a lot of
interesting nuances. They're like, yeah, it's big, but we don't
know how rare life is, and so we have no
idea if being big means that there's a lot of life,
we could still be the only ones. You know. What
I'm really interested in is your comment. You said you

(04:02):
thought they were optimistic, So you think, um, having aliens
out there is good news. Well, I don't know if
it's good news, but it's it's kind of like, um,
it sort of feels like the sadder option is that
we were the only ones in the entire universe, right,
Like there's something comforting emotionally about the fact that we're
not the only ones out there, right, Like, you wouldn't

(04:22):
want to be the only person in live in the universe.
I don't know. It depends how friendly they are, you know,
if there's their ferocious life out their way and to
kill us, I'm not sure i'd be too comforted knowing
that they're they're not very far away, and they could
come over here and squish us in a moment. Oh,
I see, you're you're pessimistic about the optimistic scenario where
we're not the only ones. Yeah, the fact that we're
not the only ones. Um, if we were, if we

(04:45):
discover that there is intelligent, other intelligent life out there,
I agree, it means something really fascinating and deep about
life and intelligence and consciousness. But I'm not sure it
would be good news for humans, you know. And what
you said a moment ago is fascinating as well, because
you say it would be comforting to think that there's
other intelligent life out there. On the contrary, if we
are the only intelligent life in the entire vast cosmos,

(05:08):
that means we're quite special. You know. In the history
of science, mostly the role of science has been to
put humanity in its place. You know. Oh, you the
Earth is not the center of the Solar system. Oh,
the Earth is not the center of the galaxy. Oh,
this galaxy is one of zillions. So it turns out
we're tiny little things living on a tiny speck in
the middle of nowhere. Wouldn't it be amazing if science

(05:28):
then put humanity right back in the center of importance
and said we are special. We are the only intelligent
life in the universe. We are basically the universe's brain.
That would be a fascinating new role for science in
sort of the communal mindset. I guess I don't have
the same ego as a physicist, maybe, right. Cartoonists are

(05:50):
famously self depricating, right, it doesn't take any ego to
put your art online for millions to admire. But yeah,
I mean, it's a big universe, and so it would
be weird if we were the only ones. And so
that's that's a big question, right, Like why haven't we

(06:10):
by now we've been listening to these guys and looking
out there by now, why haven't we heard from, or
been contacted by, or seen evidence of other intelligent life forms? Right,
It's a famous question, and people call it the Fermi
paradox from for Enrico Fermi, who first posited it. He said,
the universe is huge, and it's old, and that's another

(06:31):
important factor. The universe is old, and that means that
even though it's pretty big, it doesn't take that long
to get across it, like take our galaxy. Right, it's
pretty big, but you could traverse it in you know,
a couple of million years if you had pretty good technology. Right, So,
so by now we should have seen some passing cruise
ship or ailing cruise ship or some sort of probe

(06:53):
or something by now. Yeah, Like, if I wanted to
explore the galaxy, how would I do it? I would
send out a probe which would then self replicate. It
would like land on an asteroid and mind the materials
to build two copies of itself, which would then land
on an asteroid, which would then land on asteroids. So
you get this exponential growth in these probes, and it
only takes you know, a few hundred thousand years to

(07:14):
visit every single thing in the galaxy if you use
that technique. So then the question is, why haven't we
been visited? If the galaxy is billions of years old
and not that hard to get across in a fraction
of the galaxy's lifetime, where is everybody? Right? So that's
firm me his famous question, right, right, And it's kind
of related to this idea you mentioned earlier, which is
that it sort of depends on the probability of things,

(07:36):
like the probability that we would be contacted by life
is equal to the probability that life can form and
that it can do other things. Right, That's right, And
you have to sort of break the problem into pieces.
And the guy who did that first is called Drake.
And so there's this equation called the Drake equation, which
tries to sort of compartmentalize the questions. It says, you know,

(07:57):
the probability for us to be contact by aliens is
the number of stars out there times the fraction of
those stars that have earthlike planets. Right, That gives you
the total number of earthlike planets out there times the
probability for life to be formed on those planets times
the probability for that life to be intelligent, times the
probability for that life to have technology, times the probability

(08:20):
that we overlap in eras so that we can actually
talk to them. So it's a lot of different pieces.
So it's like you have to stack these probabilities one
on top of the other. Yeah, exactly. It's kind of like,
what's the probability you're gonna roll a two ones when
you rule to die, And it's like you have to
multiply the probability of rolling one in one die and
then another one in another die, which is one six

(08:42):
times one six. So it's like there's like a one
in thirty six probability you're gonna throw a deuce a
two ones in a pair of die exactly. And the
more pieces you have that have to line up that
the heart of the chances are even if you do
something more more likely, like flip a coin. Right, what
are the chances you're gonna flip a coin eight times
and get eight heads in a row? Right? Well, not

(09:02):
very high? You know, one over two to the eight
is a small number. So even if all of those
numbers are pretty big, it's the probability of all them
together can be kind of small. Oh, I see. It's
like you have to flip a coin and get ahead,
and then flip another coin and get ahead, and so
that there's probability stuck up. And if you have one
coin that's like messed up, that's tails and both sides
and you'll never get all heads. Right, that's right, And

(09:23):
that's the calculation I think people were doing in their
heads when we asked them, is their intelligent life out there?
And they thought, well, the first part of that number,
the number of stars is huge, and so it doesn't
really matter what the other numbers are. I think that's
the argument they were making. But I think that argument
is pretty flawed. Actually, what do you mean it's flawed? Well,
the first number is big, right, So how many stars

(09:44):
are there in the universe? Well, every galaxy has about
a hundred billion, which is, you know, already a totally
infathomable number. Like it's just it's hard to even imagine, right,
how many stars that is. Plus you have to multiply
that by the number of galaxies in the universe. And
in our observed prubble universe, the part we can see,
there's two trillion galaxies. So we're two trillion times a

(10:05):
hundred billion zillion stars. That's the official that's right technically,
because and so I in fact that I think they've
figured out that um on any given star, the probability
that there's an earthlike planet, there's like maybe three or
four of them right per star. Yeah, this is something

(10:26):
we've only learned pretty recently because of the rise of
this exoplanet science where we can look at other stars
and see the planets around them and try to estimate
we've seen enough now that we can start to estimate
what fraction of those stars have an earthlike planet, meaning
a planet that's pretty rocky, reasonable size, and has a
reasonable amount of solar radiation right fried to a crisp
or totally chilly. And yeah, the fraction of stars that

(10:49):
have an earthlike planet is one in five. One in
five stars as an earthlike planet. Yeah, which is amazing
because that takes that huge number two trillion times a
hundred billion and just divides it by five, which still
leaves an enormous number. There's a huge amount of planets
out there that are just like the Earth, that's right,
And we only learned this recently, you know, a few

(11:10):
years ago it could have been that earthlike planets were
super rare. That number could have been one over two gazillion. Right.
So the fact that the first number is big, that
the number of stars is huge, doesn't guarantee that the
whole number is big, because if any of those numbers,
the fraction that have earthlike planets, the fraction that have life,
the fractions have intelligent life, if any of those are tiny,

(11:31):
then the whole number is tiny. Right. So, but so
far it's pretty big still, number of stars times number
earthlike planets still an enormous number, but that's as far
as we know. We really just don't know, Like, can
you answer the question what fraction of earthlike planets have
life on them? That's a pretty basic question, right, You
might ask a biologist, like if you ran an Earth
stimulator a hundred times, how many times would you get

(11:54):
life on it? We just don't know the answer to
that question. It's one of the core questions and modern biology.
And I'm speaking as a particle physicist who doesn't know
that much biology except for being married to a biologist.
But we still don't know they answer that very basic question.
So basically she would say, you don't know anything. You
don't know. She says that to me a lot, and
she's usually right. Not just about biology, that's right, it's

(12:17):
more of a broader conversation that we have before we
keep going. Let's take a short break. But we sort
of know a little bit about how life form, right, Like,
you haven't planeted like the Earth, and um that maybe

(12:40):
has water. It's in the right spot relative to the sun,
it's not too hot, not too cold. It's called the
Goldilocks planet. We sort of know a little bit about
you know, you need this kind of primordial soup, and eventually,
at least on Earth, like some of those molecules kind
of came together and became a life. Yeah, that's true. Um,
we know what's necessar seria, but we don't know if

(13:00):
it's sufficient. Right. So, you know, we know that you
need liquid water, and you need basic amino acids, and
you need some source of energy right to organize things, um,
lightning or the sun or whatever. But we don't know
if you put that all together, if you get life
every time, or if it's a totally freak chance. Right.
We just really, we really have no idea how many
times that happens. And people are studying this, you know,

(13:23):
they do things like put that promodial soup or our
understanding of it, in a test tube and zap it
with electricity, and they see cool stuff happen, like basic
amino acids the building blocks of DNA and stuff they
do form. But that doesn't make life, right. Life needs
to be self replicating and has to have metabolism. And
but you know there's a whole other question there about
what is life anyway. Well, so even if you can

(13:44):
get life out of primorial soup, you still have to
have that live, survive and evolve and become uh critters
and beings and intalligent beings. We can build radios and
technology and harness and launch podcast the city, yeah, and
large podcasts and then get transmitted across the cosmos. Like

(14:05):
that's that's a huge gap to write, like a huge improbability.
That's right, we just don't know, and so we've already
gone past our knowledge, right that the fraction of planets
that form life could be one in two, it could
be one in a gazillion. Right, Um, you're absolutely right,
And then you're right that we don't know what fraction
then make intelligent life, Like, yeah, we have the example

(14:25):
here on Earth. We also know that that one example
is highly dependent on a bunch of random events, like
a meteor crashed in the Earth and killed all the
dinosaurs and made room for the mammals to evolve. Would
the dinosaurs have become intelligent if we hadn't come around?
Is is it guaranteed that something becomes intelligent? Or is
this just a total fluke and in a thousand different
other similar earths without in a meteor, or if the

(14:47):
meteor hit somewhere else, you wouldn't have intelligent life, or
you'd have super intelligent life, or like dumb life or
life all life would be dead. We just we really
have no where to answer that question. But even then,
that's just a probability that there is life out there, right,
Like you just need all those factors to add up
to more than one in a gazillion, Like if it
was to an a gazillion, there's probably definitely life out there.

(15:12):
But then there's the other question of like, why haven't
we heard from them or contacted them or seen them? Right, Like,
it's kind of two separate questions, like is there life
out there? Right? And then there's a question of why
haven't we like seen it or had contact with it?
I like that thought. Let's assume that life is not
so rare, and even that intelligent life is not so rare, Okay,
So then we live in a universe filled with Earth
life planets that have some sort of squishy, weird intelligent

(15:35):
life on them, right, And then the question is if
that's true, why haven't we heard from them? Right? Because
as we said earlier, it's not that complicated to make
self replicating probes that explore the entire galaxy. So why
haven't we heard from them? Yeah, and there's a lot
of fun ideas. They're like my favorite hypothesis is that
maybe we have heard from them and we just don't know.
I mean, would we understand a message from space? I mean,

(15:57):
in order to understand it, it it would have to be
in a language we've recognize. It would have to be
in a communication medium we're looking for, Like maybe they're
sending us signals, but it's uh in some kind of
thing that we don't even look for, like neutrinos or
some other medium that's not light exactly. We're listening to
messages from the sky, we're not actually listening that hard,
and we're only listening to a tiny little slice of

(16:18):
the possible messages we can get. And the message could
be in a totally different medium, you're right, Or it
could even be you know, in radio waves, which is
what we're listening for, but just be undecipherable. I mean,
what if aliens live thousands of years and so their
messages last hundreds of years and we're hearing it, We're
just hearing the first, you know, few snatches of it,
and we don't even recognize that. It is like maybe

(16:39):
we're getting a message thing, uh, guys going, but like
it's so slow if we don't even pay attention to it. Yeah,
Or it could be the reverse. It could be like
super fast, like super pico second signals that we can't
even detect. Yeah. Absolutely. We have actually in the past

(17:05):
heard messages or heard things from space that we don't understand.
One of my favorite stories is this message called the
WOW signal. That's the scientific term. It's literally called the
Wow signal because when somebody heard it, they wrote wow
down on a piece of paper when they saw it,
and it was exactly the kind of signal you would
expect to get from space if they were aliens. It

(17:27):
was the thing. It was the ninety seven and they
had a telescope and they heard this extraordinarily loud, intense
burst of radiation well above the background and nothing they
had seen like that before. And you know, they said,
is it a satellite, is it something reflecting off this,
is it something weird bounce off the moon? Is it
something else? And they ruled out all those possibilities they

(17:49):
recorded it. Yeah. Absolutely, So we have the data, um,
but nobody knows if it comes from an intelligent life
or not. Because first of all, it was never repeated,
so we only heard it once and we can't decipher it.
It's very short. We don't know what it means. So
without being able to decipher it, it it could just be like,
you know, some weird emissions structure to it. Yeah, it
has that we can determine, right, I mean, who knows

(18:11):
how these things could be structured encoded in a way
that's totally alien to us. Anything we get will be encoded.
Like think about the message that we sent into space.
I think about that a lot. Like we send messages
into space, like on the Voyager Probe and the Pioneer. Right,
there's like the famous Golden Record, that's where we send
that satellite out there into space with like information about it,
like a little note that says call me maybe maybe

(18:34):
I'm crazy, call me um. And I wonder, like, if
you're an alien species, would you have any chance of
deciphering that? Right? In order for that to work, we
have to have some a lot of stuff in common
about the way we think. And I think that's the
critical factor, is that really all we're capable of discovering
is life that's very similar to ours in the sense
that it thinks the way we do. It uses math

(18:56):
and it communicates the way we do, and also that
they want to communicate. I mean, there could be just
be life out there that just doesn't care about finding
other life, that's busy living their squishy, little eyeball life. Right,
Like we're the only extroverts in the universe, and most
thoughts aliens out there are like, why would you want
to talk to other people? That's insane, that's right to
just slam the door and pretend to not home. You know,

(19:18):
we could be the weird ones in that perspective. Um.
And you know we sent other messages into space when
we got this wow signal. We can tell where in
the sky it's coming from because from directionality of the
of the antenna. And so people actually sent a response,
like they beamed a response back into space. What again,

(19:38):
it was it was new phone who did UM. So
that's one possibilities that like, even if there is intelligent
life out there and there are signals to be seen,
there's just two alien for us to even recognize or
process or be able to cypher. That's right, And I

(20:01):
think that's honestly likely because it's hard for us to
imagine things that are really alien to us. I mean,
like look at all of our science fiction, right, It
usually the aliens are like some variation on humans with
like fuzzy eyebrows or pointy ears or something, because it's
difficult to extrapolate that far into the unknown. I mean
even here on Earth, people travel to other countries and

(20:21):
they're like shocked at the weird stuff people eat and
the way they talk and how they sleep and what
they wear, and like even human cultures are bizarre and
alien to us if we're not familiar with them. And
I love traveling for that reason that you discover what's
universal about being human and what's just like totally arbitrary
and made up about your culture. And that's one of
the amazing things about aliens, Like what stuff that everybody

(20:43):
does and what's stuff that only you for some reason
or your culture? Yeah, exactly, Like everybody needs caffeine in
the morning of some kind, right, but only we drink
this water from a weird being on a tree, right.
And so if we discovered aliens, then we would learn
so much about, um, you know, what is common in life,
Like how did they do they use math to think?

(21:04):
Do they have scientists you know, are they spiritual? Do
they see color? Do they have two genders? Nine genders?
No genders? Like what is basic and similar in life
and what is totally different? That would be so fascinating.
That's pretty cool to think about. Yeah, there's another possibility,
like maybe there's life out there, but the universe is
so big and so vast and so old that the

(21:26):
chances of us hearing about them are contacting them is
just too small. I don't like that one because I
feel like, eventually somebody's going to invent the self replicating probe.
Your civilization doesn't even have to survive. You could just
send out that probe and eventually it will contact everybody
in the galaxy. I like how you're thinking like a physicist.
I'm thinking like an engineer, and I'm like, self recomplicating probes.

(21:48):
That's an impossible engineering feed. Are you kidding me? Is
that what engineers do? They say things are impossible? No,
you can't have this, you can't have this, you can't
have this. How hard is that? I mean, all you
gotta do is land and astro w mind some materials,
build a factory, right, Sure, that's super easy. I mean
we can be doing it for a long time. Why not.

(22:08):
I'm gonna call Elon Musk and I'm sure you'll have
a we'll start a company to do it tomorrow and
ask him how those are still driving cars are doing. Hey,
when you're done building model threes, can we build self
replicating probes that explore the galaxy? And while we're at it,
let's give them artificial intelligence so they can interact with
the aliens and answer their questions. That would be pretty awesome. Yeah, yeah, well,
this is a perfect point to take a break. We'll

(22:29):
be right back in a minute. I think the idea
is that it's like we're in an ocean, right, Like
if you're stranded in the ocean on a raft, Like,
what are the chances you're going to run into other

(22:50):
people stranded in the raft? It's pretty small, right, It
depends how many rafts there are, right. But also there's
not just like the space of it, that is also
the age of it, right, Like me be we are
alive right now in a moment that's after the most
populous time in the universe. Like maybe everybody was alive
a few billion years ago, or maybe everyone's going to
be alive a few billion years from now, but right

(23:12):
now we're maybe like the first ones at the party
or something, yeah, or the last ones. Yeah. And that's
the last element that in that Drake equation, right, is
the probably that we're alive at the same time to communicate.
And you're right in terms of how long we've been
around and like listening to this guy and talking to it,
it's a tiny fraction of the life of the universe.
And then you have to wonder, like how long is

(23:33):
humanity is going to be around and receptive to messages.
Is there going to be fifty years, which is all
we've had so far, or fifty thousand years even still,
which would be a tiny fraction. So you're right. It
could be that life flourishes and intelligent life is created
and then you know, destroys itself every time, and so
that these things don't last very long, which would make
it difficult to talk to each other. Yeah, yeah, but

(23:54):
that's not very optimistic the idea that maybe life is
super pop blur in the universe, but it all eventually
like kills itself, that's right, blows itself up in a
glorious fireway. Like maybe there's been other civilizations that have
followed the exact same steps we have. You know, like
um evolved, make cars. Um, you're about to say that

(24:15):
Donald Trump is inevitable. That is that what you're saying.
It's a universal truth that every civilization creates Donald Trump.
Eventually Trump is an alien. That would explain a lot.
But but like it isn't like at some point all
civilizations eventually maybe like learn how to split the atom
and then they all blow each other up inevitably. It's possible,

(24:36):
But again I think that's just extrapolation from our experience.
You know, that's the kind of things humans do, and
so we like to think, well, probably everybody does that,
but we really don't know, right, Remember, we really have
no idea. I mean, it could be that other aliens
don't have such a defined sense of individuality, right, I Mean,
we have this notion that I'm me and you are you,
and there's this biological difference defined by our skin. But

(24:57):
that's a biological that's a conclusion from a biologic artifact, right,
was this the skin that we have and other beings
could be like more fluid, where like the nature of
an individual depends on who's near each other, and so
their concept of resource sharing and therefore war is totally
different and maybe very unlikely that they kill themselves, So
we we just don't know, but it's it's certainly possible

(25:18):
that life is flourishing and destroying itself very rapidly. Well.
I also, um, I thought the craziest idea that I
read out there was this idea that maybe the universe
is teeming with life, but nobody wants to talk to us,
like somehow we're in a bubble where they're like, let's
not let's not even touch these guys. Or or there's

(25:38):
an idea out there that we're like in a zoo
or something. Oh, I hate that idea. I hate that
It not because I think it's wrong. I think it's
actually pretty reasonable and clever. But how frustrating, right, I
mean I said earlier that meeting aliens would be dangerous,
and I think that probably would be, But that doesn't
mean I wouldn't want to. I mean, I would love
to meet aliens. We could learn so much about the

(25:59):
universe and six and math and life. So if they're
out there and could contact us and they're just not
because we're lame, boy, that would be pretty disappointing. That
would be a crush through the to our self image.
So I think it would be comforting to know that
we're not alone in this universe, right like today idea.
It's kind of like having an older sibling or something,
you know, somebody who's been through it, who sort of

(26:19):
had maybe has some more knowledge than we do. I
think that would be cool. Um. But you're you're thinking
that maybe it might be dangerous to contact other life forms. Absolutely,
I think it would be dangerous. Um. The history of
contact between different cultures is that the more advanced one
always crushes the lesser advanced one. And if we're going
to contact aliens, more likely they're going to come to us,

(26:41):
then we're going to get to them, which means they
are the more advanced. And you know what that means, right,
I mean, think about the way we treat lesser intelligent creatures. Right.
We domesticate them, right, Dogs and chimpanzees don't have rights
in our society, um, and we argue that they're less intelligent.
We even eat some less intelligent creatures, right, So when
aliens come, do we apply that same morality to them

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and say, well, yeah, you guys are twice as smart
as us. So go ahead and make us your pets
and eat however many of us you want, right, I
think that's the most likely outcome. I see, Like, if
you run into less intelligent species, you're most likely your
thought is, it's not hey, let's bring these guys up
and show them all we can do, more like hey,
slave labor or something like that. Exactly. Look, resources, Yeah,

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we've been traveling on the spaceship for millions of years.
Finally we get to eat something warm. Yeah, that's right,
roasted human. That's my concern. And you know, we have
sent messages into space, and I think that's kind of dangerous.
I mean, you're like advertising where you are and who
you are and the fact that you're pretty clueless. So imagine,
for example, say the universe is teeming with life and

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nobody's contacted us just because nobody knew we were here.
And then we just on the edge of our technological
capabilities to contact people, we announced ourselves, Hey everybody, look
at us, were totally weak and helpless. Then you know
what's going to happen here exactly Exactly. Imagine dropping a
baby into the most dangerous neighborhood on Earth. Right, it's

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gonna scream and cry and then what's going to happen. Well,
it's very unlikely somebody kind harder is going to pick
it up and take care of it. So again, I
don't know if finding intelligent life in the universe is
an optimistic or pessimistic viewpoint. So it doesn't seem likely
that we will ever contact or talk to or learn
a lot. So maybe the lesson here is that we

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should learn to be by ourselves in a way, you know, like,
don't expect some siliciation to save us or to destroyers.
Maybe the lesson is to really just kind of own
being alone and take responsibility for our existence here on Earth. Yeah,
I think the best case scenario would be if we
discover intelligent life, you know, we developed technologically, we move

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on to other planets, maybe we explore the galaxy, we
build those self replicating probes, and then we discover alien
life and we learn from them. I think that would
be the best case scenario for humans to be the colonizers,
not like cutting out the colonized e s. Well, I
hope by that time, you know, we will have developed
a higher morality and we will you know, not take
advantage of those squishy little cute aliens we discover around

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whatever planet. Um. But yeah, I think it could be
better if we found them before they found us, for sure.
But I would also love to to see another planet
and to meet aliens and to get to talk to them.
But you know, every time I see a science fiction
movie where there's aliens, I'm always amazed at how it
always takes like six minutes for them to figure out
how to talk to each other. You know, you just

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raise your hand, part your your fingers and that's it. Right,
Live long, and prosper well, whether we are alone or
we're one of many who out there anna enjoy the
experience of being And to our alien listeners, if you're
going to come to Earth, please arrive gently, eat something
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