January 5, 2026 • 35 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Also media.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
This is poetry. You don't edit poetry, well, you do
edit poetry.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
One of the things with poetry and poetry.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Stop talking. Welcome, Welcomed, It could happen here twenty twenty
five Q and A edition. We have the whole team here,
Mia Garrison, James, Robert Evans. I'm your producer, Sophie Lichterman.
We're gonna answer some of your questions. How's everybody feeling.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Great, trepidacious, amazing, bad. I just got back from vacation,
so anything's going to be bad. That's not me continuing
to not look at my phone or computer.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Great.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Yeah, you should stop looking at the phone.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
Hey, you guys, have you.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Guys aware what this Trump dude's doing?
Speaker 6 (00:46):
Jesus Christ, very very yea. I went to the WJA
holiday party this weekend and the amount of like twenty
seventeen Trump jokes I had to hear.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh no, that's I'm against humanity.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
God.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I love I love that party. I love that party.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I'm going to a holiday party tonight with some friends
who do insurance for people who live in the US
and go to Mexico, so I'm sure I will get
lots of fun and exciting anecdotes.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, I am throwing a holiday party and planning it
with a four year old, which is exciting. It's gonna
be good.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
One of my favorite experiences as us having our job
is at almost every partday I go to somebody's like,
so those the news.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, people just st to just summarize the fucking news.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, not good. Listen to executive disorder now.
Speaker 6 (01:42):
I had to explain seven six four to a screenwriter
yesterday and they were not happy.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Anyone who goes to a party that I am at
knows that there's a gun on the table. If anyone
asks me how the.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
News is that, that's just the sprace that way fucking out.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, yeah, what's going on over there?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Erin Burma.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Let's let's let's answer some questions.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Let's all right, so we posted on Blue Sky, we
posted on Instagram, and we have some of your questions.
Let's start out with with a fun one. Can we
have a fun, non incriminating story from your youth, any
in all of.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
You, no fun, non incriminating story about you.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
I mean, for Robert, this is and James and maybe me.
Statute of limitations for all of you should be fine.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, Garrison.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I cannot answer this at all.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
I have a lot of interesting stories, but I've tried
to think of something from my youth that I could
actually share.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I can do one that I think non incriminating. I'm
sad about having been part of it, but that's okay.
I was gored by a bull when I was younger.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Story. I feel like if we put money on it,
like two of us would have bet a bull was involved.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I've actually been present at several gorings various species. I
probably have most of the gorings that it's available for
a human being to witness because I've seen like a
water buffalo goring.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Oh nice, that's got to be like the top goring.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, that was a really unpleasant day for everyone involved.
A guy lost the use of his of his legs
for a period as she recovered it later, which is nice.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So you can laugh about it, yeah, fun laugh about it.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, Well it's a funny. It's a funny story.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
It's fun.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
First of all, you shouldn't be unkind to animals, so
I did deserve it, right. I don't think you should
torn animals for human pleasure. I don't think you should
make them suffer, and if you do, it's kind of
your fault. So in that sense, it's funny.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I don't know that I've ever heard of a goring
where I wasn't like, well, the animal was in the
right clear.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I've earned the bull team of this. The funny part
was that my friend who was staying with me, had
previously not driven a manual vehicle. I had broken probably
the bulk of my ribs right, like a lot of
rib breaking, and we drove home like that, learning to
use to clutch on the way, And that was one
of the most painful experiences I think that's available to
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a human being.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Is it bad that the story that popped into my
head was when I ripped my pants in front of
the entire eighth grade class at our school picnic because
I was wearing way too skinny of jeans playing basketball
and my pants ripped and I was wearing TMI red
onnies and pants ripped, so like my entire butt.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
No, that's got to leave some scars. Yeah, that for me.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
As as a person that I feel like, you just
fuck the Yeah. But that was my fun non incriminating
story from you.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Was the time.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
From the entire eighth grade class that are like graduation picnic.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I love that you were like skinny jeans Icarus, Like
that's something that.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Tight.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Why why it was the way things were back then.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
So I know, I know, Robert, you have to have
a fun one. I do.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I do.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
What's the statute limitations on murder?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (05:04):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Very couple of weeks?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Fine, now I'll tell I'll tell a pants splitting story too.
I got a really good one, Sovie. So I'm in
I'm in rural northern India in this town called rishikash
which is where like it's where like the Beatles had
their Ashram. It's like a holy city. There's a lot
of yoga there. You're up in like the Himalayan foothills.
It's beautiful. The ganjes is actually like clean enough to
swim in up there. But it's also crazy whitewater rapids.
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And we're going like whitewater rafting one day and I
grab I buy a pair of like pants that are
like it's like it's like a long set of like
athletic you know, tights or whatever like that to have
on the boat because like, okay, that'll that'll make sense.
They zip so I can keep you know, some cash
or whatever in them, and we're going down the Ganjis.
We're doing this whitewater raft and we hit a calm
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spot and the guy's like, okay, everybody wants to get
in the water, hop out, and I hop out, And
immediately two things become clear. Number One, the quality of
text styles that you purchase in a market in India
not necessarily up to the standards of a lot of
other countries. Number Two, the Ganji's mighty river. So my
pants immediately are gone, like just instantly, as soon as
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the water torn off by the gangis. And then I
am so I am realizing this that now I am
naked from the waist down. We are surrounded on both
sides by a very holy city, and we are heading
towards the rocks. So I have to get back in
the boat in fairly short order. This presents a problem
because again, as we're getting like buffalo buffeted around, I
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have to get like help pulled up into the boat.
Absolutely everything moving on the entire side of this secret city.
So now I'm in the boat naked from the waist down.
But I come up with a plant I did I
do solve it? I take my shirt off and I
put my legs through the armholes and I got a
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neck hole and I'm just my pants my shirt.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Is what a sight.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
We went to lunch that way.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
There's still a restaurant there where they won't let Robert.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Still, James, there's more than one restaurant, Indie, I can't
go back.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, there's a hotel in Bangkok that neither of us
can go back to.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
But no, they handled you puking in the parking lot
like a trooper.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah, because I puked directly into my nalgene like it, considering.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Exactly like a hero, Like a hero, James.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
And then send a picture to Sophie.
Speaker 7 (07:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, that was before I worked here. I sent a
picture to Sophie of Nalgene for the puke, and.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I was like, let's hire that guy.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I feel like you get thirty seconds into our relationship
that I told Sophia a story about me puking. So
it's fine.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
It was like fifteen seconds. Yeah, yeah, it might have
been fifteen anyways, Robert, can we get an update to
the sequel of After the Revolution?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's done. I'm editing it. I even got edits back
from my editor. I'm edit it should have been done
so much faster. I could, like bring up the fact
that my dad died last year, but that's really just
me trying to make you feel sorry for me, and
the fact that I am well past the time at
which I expected to have this book done. But it
is done and I'm finishing it and you will get
to read it. Suit, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Good for you, Good for you, Robert.
Speaker 8 (08:19):
Wow, incredible.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Do you plan to cover recent political developments in Canada?
I feel like that's a gair question.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Yeah, the answer is always yes.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
The answer is yes to all of like, yes, we
will be covering Canada.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
I mean, especially Alberta.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
I've been wanting to do stuff on Alberta and the
Conservative Party there and a few of the key figures
for a while. I've you know, we've all been busy.
But yes, I should eventually do a dedicated thing I
gat like and I do occasionally, right, usually usually once
or twice a year. I try to get some Canada
related things.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I've talked about Canada gar and I I feel like
did something.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
Yeah, I me'd like the Canadian election happened this year, right,
Supreme Leader Carney is it is still still in power.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
And will be for a while.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
But yeah, specifically, the Alberta Conservative Party is rife with
potential stories.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
My recent political development in Canada that I would like
to talk about is what's his name dating Katy Perry?
Oh god, because it makes me upset?
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Wait, who, that's not our problem anymore.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
That's one famous Canadian person is It's justin.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
It's just famous Jesus, not Bieber, not Biever Trudeau.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
True, Okay, okay, still bad, still weird.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Tudeau and Katy Perry are dating a match made in Heaven.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Their Instagram official and the photos are upsetting.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I do feel like this is the potential we have
a potential for, like the one Ring of couples Halloween
costumes situation to happen here, and I'm excited for that.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
But no, I'm I'm I'm living pretty close to Canada now,
so I would like to travel up and do more
Canadian stuff in the next year.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, you love Canada, Garrison, great deal.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah. As a general rule, people, if you're ever asking, hey,
this major thing is happening in another country, are you
guys going to cover it? The answer is probably yes.
But there are how many people are on this call
five people, and there are I believe ten countries in
the world at least.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
So many are saying more, well, everyone's in a while,
this is a civil war, and one of those splits
into two. So I think there's actually eleven countries right now.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
It's somewhere between five and eleven countries.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah. Well, ironically, when there is a civil war, there's
a decent chance. So I'll be traveling there and the
twelve months.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
We have a pretty broad remit here, and I do
think we cover a lot of ground. But again, you know,
there's there's only so many people on the team, and
we have so many days in the week. So the
answer is generally, if we think we can and have
more to tell you than like here's an article I read,
we'll try to do it. But yeah, you know, world
big as small.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah yeah, and there are other people who do excellent
work on lost of things, so like, you know, we
don't have to cover everything.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
God, I missed the trucker convoy. That was fun.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
That was a just forgot about that.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
What about Roma Yadlu she's still kicking around Canada, Queen
of Canada.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
She got arrested recently. I don't know if she's out
on bail or whatever they call it, and poutine bail
or whatever in Canada, but they can't arrest her robot
because she's the queen. Anyways, notes about that.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, what's a fiction book that y'all have been reading lately?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Ooh?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
My answer is I work too much. I haven't read
any good fiction book lately.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I've been reading a sci fi book called Children of Time.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Oh good, Oh, Adrian Tracossi, great guy.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yes, I just read Winter in Madrid, because even when
I'm reading fiction books, it still has to be about
a Spanish civil war.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, so funny, that makes sense for you.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Load bearing element of my personality.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I'm restarting Sirens of Titan for the first time since
I was a little kid, which is Kurt Vonnegut's sci
fi novel and like everything Kurt Vonnegut wrote one of
the best to ever do it. And then you know,
I was on vacation, so I was just rereading some
Warhammer books to not think about the news when I
needed to look at a device.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah. I'm gonna try to take a little time off
around the holiday. So if people have good fiction books
to recommend me, message me on Blue Sky.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I've been listening to Oh God, like the entire Kate
Daniels series, which is a very fun sort of urban
fantasy series where they have a magic apocalypse where sometimes
there's these magic waves and magic works and technology stops working,
but then they just flip randomly and so technology works
in magic don.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, that's basically the plot line is shatter on Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Yeah, and it's fun.
Speaker 9 (12:39):
I got absolutely flashbang jump scared by one of the
characters in one of the spinoffs doing a full analysis
of the whole translation debacle of the old world is dying,
the new world struggles to be born. Now is a
time of monsters, which I was not expecting the author
of this fantasy book to know about. So it's a
fun time. Yeah, there's lions, there's were hyaenas. It's it's good.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
We'd like to see it cool.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Well, we're going to.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Take a quick break and we'll come back and continue
answering some questions.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
We're back.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
So on that note, there's a broader question and it's
a favorite media from twenty twenty five can be books, shows, movies, games,
et cetera.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I mean, and or's gonna be up there for me.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
And Door season two is definitely gonna be hard to be.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I really enjoyed that that new show, The Pit, the
medical show.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Oh yeah, I've heard good things.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah you would like that.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I liked it. It made me dizzy, but I liked it.
It was interesting. I mean, we'll see how it does
in season two. But the first season I was like, huh.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I finally started watching that smiling Friends show and that's fun.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
Oh cool for for TV shows for me. Besides like
and Orch's which is good. I think Rehearsal season two
and the Paramount Nazi.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Episode season two, Yeah, yeah, it's more and more after
single phenomenal.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
As well as Tim Robinson's a new show, Chair Company,
which I gets to the American conspiracy mindset better than
almost anything I've seen. No parts of that are like
rival that can film. Yeah, I still think. I still
think Eddington is pretty good. It doesn't have as much
like a depth or humanity as like one battle after another,
which I quite enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I like that a lot too. I watched the first
two episodes of Chair Company and then was like, I
need to wait until they are all out so I
can derange myself and like stay up until Dawn watch.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Oh, it's so good.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
That's the way I need to encounter this. But I'm
excited for that.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
I finished Chair Company now and it consistently keeps hitting.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I don't think Tim Robinson is capable of not pleasing
me at this point.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
That's good. That's a that's a healthy relationship.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I like the on on Netflix Adolescence that that mini
series that was pretty good. The acting is incredible. There's
just so many things this year that we're pretty decent.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
TV has been good.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
TV's been good.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
TV has been good.
Speaker 9 (15:12):
Yeah, I haven't watched Shit. I've just watched I've watched
and Or and nothing else. So Hades too great game,
very fun. Yeah, det de Cronos, et cetera, et cetera. Also,
I want to talk about One of the Boys, which
is a book from the beginning of this year we
talked about on the show. That's a really really interesting
basically like sort of like a coming of age story
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about a trans girl who's trying to go who goes
back to her football team, and there's a lot of
really interesting stuff there about the relationship between transfemininity and masculinity,
and you know, the sort of like politics of sports,
and it's it's also just really fun. Has the best
written group chats I've ever seen in any piece of media.
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So ship Rocks, Yeah, it's it's great. One of the boys, victoria' zeller,
it's it's fun.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I also watched Paradise. The ostensible focus on the show
is that like a secret service agent goes to live
with a president who is retired after like you know
how the detail that they stay with and it becomes
clear over the course of episode one this isn't really
a spoiler that the president is living in an underground
bunker with all of the other survivors of a catastrophe
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that ended the world. And so it's like all of
the leadership cadra of the United States living underground in
a bunker after the world has ended, and then it
turns into a murder mystery. It's pretty good. It's fun nice.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I don't watch much TV, yeah, but I have been
enjoying sticking to the theme. I guess ak Press have
a translation now of two books that I very much
enjoyed reading in other languages. One is called Zaragossa Bound,
which is exclusively about the Druti column. I think it's
probably the best book I've read on the Druti Column
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and Sons of Night by Antoine Jimenez, who was actually
that was not his birth name, but he was an
Haalian anarchist who fought with the International Group of the
Druti Column and it's his diary. And then he later
like in later life, was a groundskeeper at like the
Libertarian People's Club in Marseille, and after his passing, the
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young people at the club found his diaries, publish him
and then have these like incredible series of annotations like
two thirty. The book is, it's annotations, but it's really
well done. So I like that one.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Look, I think I can answer this next one. Given
how we see media companies from Disney to Conde and
ask purge or otherwise censor anyone centing against Trump. Do
you fear iHeartRadio doing something to cool Zone. My answer
is they've never, They've never censored us in the in
the past, so I don't see it happening in the future.
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But you never know.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, I mean anything can happen. It's media. I'm on
my third or fourth industry depending on how you count it,
within the digital media space. But like what I'll tell you, right,
now is that at the moment, and this has been
true for almost a decade, we make them money and
they in return say, keep doing what you're doing, kid, kiddos, bukaroos.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
So yeah, that's about as good as it ever gets
in media, in journalism. So you know, let's keep our
fingers crossed.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yep. What was a piece or series cools one media
put together in the past year twenty twenty five that
you were most proud or happy to be part of?
Speaker 4 (18:23):
What about you gare?
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Probably the piece that I'm most proud of in like
a reflective sense is the dog Whistle Politics episode I did.
I still think that's really relevant and a useful addition
to like our cultural dialogue around understanding dog whistles coming
out of the Trump administration. And like, even still now
I will see see posts with people decoding false messages
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in overtly like nationalistic communications from the DHS again, and
then this whole focus on like dog whistles versus the
actual implementation of their which they're already doing. A few
times this year, DHS has posted just very very blatant,
like fast wave of stuff. They posted a moon Man
meme earlier this year, right and if if you told
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years ago, we would have like I don't know, I
don't know what we would.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Have had I would have had I would have fifty
one fifty yeah, yeah, I would have put your ass
on a seventy two hour hold.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
So, like there's obvious stuff like that, Like yeah, no,
they're they're clearly clearly doing like intentional nods towards like
online fascist memes. And then they are also just posting regular,
regular sentiments of like nationalist policy that people are then
reading in coded statements to. And I don't think that
whole practice is super useful when they're actually implementing this stuff.
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And I think the sort of like anti ice protests
you see in Chicago and like in New York on
Connell Street, it's a way more useful way to channel
frustration at the administration and like a frustration around like
this nationalist immigration stuff, rather than trying to you know,
look for these maybe real, maybe not coded messages on
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X the everything app.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, I'm proud of the Zizzian episodes that I did
earlier this year, and those are my best episodes of
the year, you know, I'm particularly this year have done
a lot more back end supporting work, but I'm continue
to be extremely proud of how ed Xytron's both show
and influence in the industry that he covers has grown,
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especially as he's been really on the ball ahead of
some of the breaking of open ais irrational exuberance. Been
really happy to play a small role in that. It's
just really satisfying to like stumble onto somebody and be like, oh,
I think this person has some good things to say.
I'm going to try to get that out to more people,
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and then really feel like, yeah, that was the right call.
Turns out this was exactly the voice that needed to
be louder in this space. That just feels good. It's
the kind of it's a kind of good feeling that
you only really get in this business, and it really
makes up for all of the bad feelings that you
also only get in this business.
Speaker 9 (21:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I have two things. One
on sort of just a personal level, I'm really proud
of the episode that I did that was sort of
about Elon Musks Nazi Salute, but was mostly about the
way that all of our reality has been consumed by
spectacle and the way that we relate to each other
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through you know, through screens and through like images of
media in a very you know, so this was this
was a very guide to board sciety these medical episode.
But I'm really proud of how that episode played out
and how I think in a lot of ways it
kind of it kind of predicted some of what's been
happening in terms of, you know, if you look at
the sort of decrease and use to social media over
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the last sort of year and the turn away from
these these these social relationships that are purely mediated by
images that suck and make you miserable all the time.
And the ether thing that I'm really proud of is
some coverage we did about the Republicans attempt in the
in one of the one of the previous budget fights
to impose a role that would have blocked Medicaid from
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covering trans healthcare. And we covered it and we helped
blow it up and we help get that killed, and
that rocks. I don't know, it's awesome. I'm really proud
of it. I'm also really proud of the trans News
Network people, Yeah, particularly like Medicals again and Miria Levigne
who did a really great job covering that and helping
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stop it, and it rocks love us see it.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
I think for me, like still the border stuff. Really
it made me really happy that like last year I
went to the jungle and made a podcast and now
one of the people I met has a place to live.
That's really cool, and like it really makes me happy.
Like not just when we can like shift the discourse.
I think that's cool, but also when people listen to
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that and then change the things that they do, like
every day or some like that's always what you want.
What I want as a journalist is like for people
to listen and care guess why I go to places,
And so it's been really cool to see people and
just to run into people engaging in like mutual aid
at the boarder and then then like them slowly realize
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that I'm the person that they listened to on a
podcast a year ago or two years ago whatever. Is
kind of funny. But yet I think I'm really proud
of that, and I'm proud of all the people in
the second series for all the stuff that they've done.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I'm super proud of the anti vaxx America series that
I commissioned Steven to do. I think it was a
really good, complete project that covered the story in depth
more than anyone else. So if you haven't checked that out,
check it out. We're going to go to another quick
break and then we'll answer a couple more questions.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
Sound good, cool, Yep, we're back all right.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
This question says, as we become jokrified, Sure.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
As we all become jokerified.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Eventually, what did it for each of you? I mean,
let's just say, let's let's just answer in like the
last year.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Sure not not overall a recent jokerification inciting incident.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I can answer that, And that might also be career
since it's when we couldn't get into the DNC for
comm layers to speech.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Oh no, that was nothing to me. That hurt me.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
That hurt me so much because the DNC was so depressing.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
It was so depressing, and.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
The DNC was way worse than the RNC.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
Post DNC certainly was a jokerifying moment for me.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
It hurts Garrison. I had people reaching out to me
in Portland who were worried about you after the DMC.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
Yeah, the DNC was a jokerifying moment. I guess to
piggyback off that though in terms of like a re
sent joker moment working on the like Democrat left wing
conspiracy stuff really did a number on me.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
Yeah, and just like like seeing the scale of that stuff,
especially around like the Charlie Kirk assassination, and just that
that that whole moment definitely was like just drilling into
my head.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, those uh, like truth tunnels that people went.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
The whole team could attest to this, I was getting
pretty out there.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
You can't get back to Garrison sustained damage.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
The uniformity of the embrace of counter factuals is like, like,
I I don't even know what to do about it anymore.
I don't feel like fact checking works. Yeah, I feel
like positing alternate facts feels bad too, because then you're
just like saying, well, I guess we're just openly having
(25:51):
a life fight. Let's all have a big life fight.
Let's see who's live.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
No, And when you're when you're trying to be the
only one holding on to like the like life raft
of truth as everyone as everyone else is like drowning
and like mad at you.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah, it's like I, yeah, I don't know, you don't
know how to handle that.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Whenever I encounter someone who's like you think Trump got
shot in the ear, Like, yes, yes, I do. Yes,
In fact, I do think he got shot in the ear.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
And also can we not like what it's a year
ago late, like we're here now.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
That one is so comprehensively disappointed to me because one
of the little things it reveals is that there's even
among progressives in the left, this belief that like, someone
can't be injured by a gun and handle it reasonably
well and not be a good person. Right, right, you
have faked the fact that he didn't like can and
piss himself. It has to be fake. It's like, no,
(26:45):
he just like didn't freak out or whatever on a
huge mine shows a huge adrenal. Have you ever been
shot at It's like when you get when you realize
you didn't get hit, it feels awesome. Yeah, you're living.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
You are surfing a cloud for a while there you're
not anymore.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
I think the insights I got from this like left
wing conspiracism, like like seizure. Right, this is like the
seizure of the left embracing desk. I got one of
the biggest points of clarity I was on, like what's
happening right now? Is this like tactical flattening of especially
after the Charlie Kirk stuff as well, Like with the
right wing embracing this like cultural cancelation strategy of trying
(27:24):
to get people fired for saying things online, which they've
tried to do before but was done way more successfully
that month, and like directed by the administration, and then
the left embracing a style of conspiratorial thinking that previously
was really only embraced as fully on the right. So
like this, this this flattening of tactics across the left
and the right, I think has been a useful way
(27:45):
to look at our current situation.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
For me, Yeah, the ice guided missiles, Yeah man, that
fully fucking sent me like as someone who's been a
journalist for a while, just seeing these outlets that you
were previously kind of like the first time I had
a byline in Mother Jones, I was pumped. Yeah, and
then here they are just being like, love to know
more about these missiles.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
We have that.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Job, look at it.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I literally did that while I was like waiting for
coffee or having a shit or something like. It took
me that much time on my telephone to find that contract, Like,
what is wrong with people.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Again, it's all just fucking shibolettes and virtue signaling boat
like that. Why would that be worse if I've had
guided missiles? Do you know how guided missiles work? Do
you know the kind of tail that's required to make
them function? Do you know the kind of like mechanical
like experts that you have to have in order to
like keep these things working and keep them usable? Why
would ice be more dangerous with these? It's just going
(28:40):
to distract them from doing the things they're already use
it doing to hurt people, Like guided missiles do not
do any It would be just like extra trash for
them to carry around.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, and they'd be as bad at using them as
there and everything else.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
And to be quite frank, the government is already using
guided missiles to do war crimes via the military up. Yeah, yeah,
people who know how to use them.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
The other thing that really just wow, every single time
that there's a mass shooting event, which is often in
this country, the fact that they had to transvestigate the
person every single time, Oh yeah, holy is unnecessary annoying.
It makes me very angry, Yeah, very angry.
Speaker 8 (29:23):
Fuck men.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Just I don't know recently there was a wide piece
about like in range TV Calcasido, who's had on before
and the matches, the matches he hosts.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
And like the brutality matches. Yeah, probably thirty.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Percent of the piece was reflecting on the killing of
Charlie Kirk and like nobody who goes to Carl's matches
has been accused of shooting Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
No again, And the guy who shot Charlie Kirk didn't
shoot him because he trained doing matches. He shot deer. Yeah,
and then he shot a guy in a similar way
to how he'd shot deer.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Nor is he a trans person?
Speaker 2 (29:57):
You know, what's a better practice if you're going to
shoot someone one hundred something yards distance than a tactical
shooting match shooting deer?
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Like yeah, Like the whole thing is just like I know, Yeah,
the discourse around mass shootings has become less helpful and
more toxic.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
No part of it's because I think there's a decent
chunk of like progressives and left for whom like it's
immoral to actually know anything about how guns work, or
how shooting works, or gun culture works, so you can't
actually like understand what you're talking about, which is another problem.
There's a lot of problems. It's not high on the
list of problems. But it annoys me.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah, maybe it pitches me off irrationally more than it should.
But like I just tried to find that frustrating, Like
we cannot have a reasonable discourse around guns in this country.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
No, No, that that ship sailed, Yeah, with some bullet
holes in the hole.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
One one last serious one. M what's everyone's opinion on
the best implementation of dual power in the modern era?
That's a mea question.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
I mean, how are you defining modern era?
Speaker 4 (31:01):
I guess how you defining dual power?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah, and how long do you have the people who've
objectively done the best job of it as Asapatistas.
Speaker 9 (31:12):
And they've done the best job of it in large
part because they've been willing to change the structure of
their systems over time as things have worked and things
have not worked, and as the systems that they've been
using have decentralized. I don't know the fact that they
were able to even even under a massive attack, they
were able to do a massive expansion a few years ago. Yeah,
(31:34):
they've held out against you know, the wrath of the
Mexican state which is one of the most violent in
the world.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah. I mean I would in a similar veins talk
about like the PKK and then the YEPGJ and REROJABA,
right where you had these non state groups that had
connections and that had some experience doing what we might
call mutual aid prior to the government's collapse, and then
kind of expanded that into these networks that began to
mimic and replace state function in an area that about
(32:03):
three million people lived in. I think that's a really
that's certainly a more important story in terms of how
that kind of thing might work on a larger scale
than anything that's happened up to the present point in
the United States.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
Right, Yeah, I guess in less of a militaristic way,
but more like a party capacity or like political proposal capacity.
Probably some of the stuff coming out of the New
York City Chapter of d say the past year, which
is not reflective of DSA is an entire national organization,
but specifically the New York chapter has been very very
(32:34):
prefigative in actually doing like more like party oriented dual power.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, And obviously I think probably we should also talk
some about like the different immigration defense hotlines and immigration
defense reaction forces around the country that have shown really
ramping up and doing a lot of really good and
really difficult work under duress and under you know, fire,
so to speak.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Yeah, I think people have built immedunity safety to keep
that community safe when the state has failed to keep
their communities safe, right, and sometimes it's put their communities
in danger. Ye, And like especially, I think it is
kind of heartwarming to me to see people who who
were just like straight up statist liberals, right yeah, realizing
that actually the cops aren't going to come and arrest Ice.
(33:18):
That's not going to fucking happen, and then being like, Okay, well,
how do we organize the strategy that will maintain safety
in our community given that this load bearing part of
reality for me that cops are good has seemingly collapsed.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
And I'd say, in general, James, the fact that there's
a whole lot of normy people who would have you
certainly would have described them as normies a year or
two ago, that are now like, yeah, we gotta get
rid of Ice. Maybe we've got to get rid of
all these cops. Yeah, Bill Crystal, Yeah, Bill Crystal. Beyond
the anti Ice train, right. Yeah, it's not bad. I
(33:51):
do get the first. I'm not saying like we should
invite Bill Crystal to the party or whatever. I'm saying that,
like the fair, Crystal blocked me on Blue Sky, so
I can't invite him.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Said, Bill Crystal's coming to the Anarchist Book Fair and
it's going to be serving Vegan Slov.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Is that even a joke? Garrisoner, Is that real? That
could be real? Okay, but but it's it's just in
general good that a lot of people who are like
where my parents were politically twenty years ago are looking
out at what's happening and being like, we got to
get rid of these fucking people. Yeah, that's that's good.
That's positive.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
I would say that that's kind of like a downstream
change from what I think will be the most long
term positive change from the twenty twenty uprisings, which is
a huge number of people who hadn't thought about the
cops realized what the cops are.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, And to wrap it up, Robert, we got like
multiple requests for you to do various accents.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Are you fucking shitting me?
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Various what accents?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Since so many requests for you to do various access.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
Well okay, some Australian ones, some Boston ones, Boston a
few other but like the specific areas of Boston. I
think they were asking about like like different like int
Austin regional. Sure, sure, I'm sure you can just do
those like one one one.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Oh all right, yes, enough of that to see? Is
that for listening? Are our Q and A episode?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Oh they could happen a year?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Nailed it perfect?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
You had no notes.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
I'd say we reported the news, but this was definitively
not the news.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Yeah we didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, goodbye.
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Speaker 1 (35:44):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
This is poetry. You don't edit poetry, well, you do
edit poetry.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
One of the things with poetry and poetry.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Stop talking. Welcome, Welcomed, It could happen here twenty twenty
five Q and A edition. We have the whole team here,
Mia Garrison, James, Robert Evans. I'm your producer, Sophie Lichterman.
We're gonna answer some of your questions. How's everybody feeling.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Great, trepidacious, amazing, bad. I just got back from vacation,
so anything's going to be bad. That's not me continuing
to not look at my phone or computer.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Great.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Yeah, you should stop looking at the phone.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
Hey, you guys, have you.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Guys aware what this Trump dude's doing?
Speaker 6 (00:46):
Jesus Christ, very very yea. I went to the WJA
holiday party this weekend and the amount of like twenty
seventeen Trump jokes I had to hear.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh no, that's I'm against humanity.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
God.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I love I love that party. I love that party.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I'm going to a holiday party tonight with some friends
who do insurance for people who live in the US
and go to Mexico, so I'm sure I will get
lots of fun and exciting anecdotes.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, I am throwing a holiday party and planning it
with a four year old, which is exciting. It's gonna
be good.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
One of my favorite experiences as us having our job
is at almost every partday I go to somebody's like,
so those the news.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, people just st to just summarize the fucking news.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, not good. Listen to executive disorder now.
Speaker 6 (01:42):
I had to explain seven six four to a screenwriter
yesterday and they were not happy.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Anyone who goes to a party that I am at
knows that there's a gun on the table. If anyone
asks me how the.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
News is that, that's just the sprace that way fucking out.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, yeah, what's going on over there?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Erin Burma.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Let's let's let's answer some questions.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Let's all right, so we posted on Blue Sky, we
posted on Instagram, and we have some of your questions.
Let's start out with with a fun one. Can we
have a fun, non incriminating story from your youth, any
in all of.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
You, no fun, non incriminating story about you.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
I mean, for Robert, this is and James and maybe me.
Statute of limitations for all of you should be fine.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, Garrison.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I cannot answer this at all.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
I have a lot of interesting stories, but I've tried
to think of something from my youth that I could
actually share.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I can do one that I think non incriminating. I'm
sad about having been part of it, but that's okay.
I was gored by a bull when I was younger.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Story. I feel like if we put money on it,
like two of us would have bet a bull was involved.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I've actually been present at several gorings various species. I
probably have most of the gorings that it's available for
a human being to witness because I've seen like a
water buffalo goring.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Oh nice, that's got to be like the top goring.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, that was a really unpleasant day for everyone involved.
A guy lost the use of his of his legs
for a period as she recovered it later, which is nice.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So you can laugh about it, yeah, fun laugh about it.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, Well it's a funny. It's a funny story.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
It's fun.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
First of all, you shouldn't be unkind to animals, so
I did deserve it, right. I don't think you should
torn animals for human pleasure. I don't think you should
make them suffer, and if you do, it's kind of
your fault. So in that sense, it's funny.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I don't know that I've ever heard of a goring
where I wasn't like, well, the animal was in the
right clear.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I've earned the bull team of this. The funny part
was that my friend who was staying with me, had
previously not driven a manual vehicle. I had broken probably
the bulk of my ribs right, like a lot of
rib breaking, and we drove home like that, learning to
use to clutch on the way, And that was one
of the most painful experiences I think that's available to
(04:06):
a human being.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Is it bad that the story that popped into my
head was when I ripped my pants in front of
the entire eighth grade class at our school picnic because
I was wearing way too skinny of jeans playing basketball
and my pants ripped and I was wearing TMI red
onnies and pants ripped, so like my entire butt.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
No, that's got to leave some scars. Yeah, that for me.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
As as a person that I feel like, you just
fuck the Yeah. But that was my fun non incriminating
story from you.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Was the time.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
From the entire eighth grade class that are like graduation picnic.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I love that you were like skinny jeans Icarus, Like
that's something that.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Tight.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Why why it was the way things were back then.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
So I know, I know, Robert, you have to have
a fun one. I do.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I do.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
What's the statute limitations on murder?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (05:04):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Very couple of weeks?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Fine, now I'll tell I'll tell a pants splitting story too.
I got a really good one, Sovie. So I'm in
I'm in rural northern India in this town called rishikash
which is where like it's where like the Beatles had
their Ashram. It's like a holy city. There's a lot
of yoga there. You're up in like the Himalayan foothills.
It's beautiful. The ganjes is actually like clean enough to
swim in up there. But it's also crazy whitewater rapids.
(05:29):
And we're going like whitewater rafting one day and I
grab I buy a pair of like pants that are
like it's like it's like a long set of like
athletic you know, tights or whatever like that to have
on the boat because like, okay, that'll that'll make sense.
They zip so I can keep you know, some cash
or whatever in them, and we're going down the Ganjis.
We're doing this whitewater raft and we hit a calm
(05:50):
spot and the guy's like, okay, everybody wants to get
in the water, hop out, and I hop out, And
immediately two things become clear. Number One, the quality of
text styles that you purchase in a market in India
not necessarily up to the standards of a lot of
other countries. Number Two, the Ganji's mighty river. So my
pants immediately are gone, like just instantly, as soon as
(06:13):
the water torn off by the gangis. And then I
am so I am realizing this that now I am
naked from the waist down. We are surrounded on both
sides by a very holy city, and we are heading
towards the rocks. So I have to get back in
the boat in fairly short order. This presents a problem
because again, as we're getting like buffalo buffeted around, I
(06:35):
have to get like help pulled up into the boat.
Absolutely everything moving on the entire side of this secret city.
So now I'm in the boat naked from the waist down.
But I come up with a plant I did I
do solve it? I take my shirt off and I
put my legs through the armholes and I got a
(06:56):
neck hole and I'm just my pants my shirt.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Is what a sight.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
We went to lunch that way.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
There's still a restaurant there where they won't let Robert.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Still, James, there's more than one restaurant, Indie, I can't
go back.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, there's a hotel in Bangkok that neither of us
can go back to.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
But no, they handled you puking in the parking lot
like a trooper.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah, because I puked directly into my nalgene like it, considering.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Exactly like a hero, Like a hero, James.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
And then send a picture to Sophie.
Speaker 7 (07:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, that was before I worked here. I sent a
picture to Sophie of Nalgene for the puke, and.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I was like, let's hire that guy.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I feel like you get thirty seconds into our relationship
that I told Sophia a story about me puking. So
it's fine.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
It was like fifteen seconds. Yeah, yeah, it might have
been fifteen anyways, Robert, can we get an update to
the sequel of After the Revolution?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's done. I'm editing it. I even got edits back
from my editor. I'm edit it should have been done
so much faster. I could, like bring up the fact
that my dad died last year, but that's really just
me trying to make you feel sorry for me, and
the fact that I am well past the time at
which I expected to have this book done. But it
is done and I'm finishing it and you will get
to read it. Suit, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Good for you, Good for you, Robert.
Speaker 8 (08:19):
Wow, incredible.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Do you plan to cover recent political developments in Canada?
I feel like that's a gair question.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Yeah, the answer is always yes.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
The answer is yes to all of like, yes, we
will be covering Canada.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
I mean, especially Alberta.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
I've been wanting to do stuff on Alberta and the
Conservative Party there and a few of the key figures
for a while. I've you know, we've all been busy.
But yes, I should eventually do a dedicated thing I
gat like and I do occasionally, right, usually usually once
or twice a year. I try to get some Canada
related things.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I've talked about Canada gar and I I feel like
did something.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
Yeah, I me'd like the Canadian election happened this year, right,
Supreme Leader Carney is it is still still in power.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
And will be for a while.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
But yeah, specifically, the Alberta Conservative Party is rife with
potential stories.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
My recent political development in Canada that I would like
to talk about is what's his name dating Katy Perry?
Oh god, because it makes me upset?
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Wait, who, that's not our problem anymore.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
That's one famous Canadian person is It's justin.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
It's just famous Jesus, not Bieber, not Biever Trudeau.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
True, Okay, okay, still bad, still weird.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Tudeau and Katy Perry are dating a match made in Heaven.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Their Instagram official and the photos are upsetting.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I do feel like this is the potential we have
a potential for, like the one Ring of couples Halloween
costumes situation to happen here, and I'm excited for that.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
But no, I'm I'm I'm living pretty close to Canada now,
so I would like to travel up and do more
Canadian stuff in the next year.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, you love Canada, Garrison, great deal.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah. As a general rule, people, if you're ever asking, hey,
this major thing is happening in another country, are you
guys going to cover it? The answer is probably yes.
But there are how many people are on this call
five people, and there are I believe ten countries in
the world at least.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
So many are saying more, well, everyone's in a while,
this is a civil war, and one of those splits
into two. So I think there's actually eleven countries right now.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
It's somewhere between five and eleven countries.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah. Well, ironically, when there is a civil war, there's
a decent chance. So I'll be traveling there and the
twelve months.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
We have a pretty broad remit here, and I do
think we cover a lot of ground. But again, you know,
there's there's only so many people on the team, and
we have so many days in the week. So the
answer is generally, if we think we can and have
more to tell you than like here's an article I read,
we'll try to do it. But yeah, you know, world
big as small.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah yeah, and there are other people who do excellent
work on lost of things, so like, you know, we
don't have to cover everything.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
God, I missed the trucker convoy. That was fun.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
That was a just forgot about that.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
What about Roma Yadlu she's still kicking around Canada, Queen
of Canada.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
She got arrested recently. I don't know if she's out
on bail or whatever they call it, and poutine bail
or whatever in Canada, but they can't arrest her robot
because she's the queen. Anyways, notes about that.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, what's a fiction book that y'all have been reading lately?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Ooh?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
My answer is I work too much. I haven't read
any good fiction book lately.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I've been reading a sci fi book called Children of Time.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Oh good, Oh, Adrian Tracossi, great guy.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yes, I just read Winter in Madrid, because even when
I'm reading fiction books, it still has to be about
a Spanish civil war.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, so funny, that makes sense for you.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Load bearing element of my personality.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I'm restarting Sirens of Titan for the first time since
I was a little kid, which is Kurt Vonnegut's sci
fi novel and like everything Kurt Vonnegut wrote one of
the best to ever do it. And then you know,
I was on vacation, so I was just rereading some
Warhammer books to not think about the news when I
needed to look at a device.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah. I'm gonna try to take a little time off
around the holiday. So if people have good fiction books
to recommend me, message me on Blue Sky.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I've been listening to Oh God, like the entire Kate
Daniels series, which is a very fun sort of urban
fantasy series where they have a magic apocalypse where sometimes
there's these magic waves and magic works and technology stops working,
but then they just flip randomly and so technology works
in magic don.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, that's basically the plot line is shatter on Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Yeah, and it's fun.
Speaker 9 (12:39):
I got absolutely flashbang jump scared by one of the
characters in one of the spinoffs doing a full analysis
of the whole translation debacle of the old world is dying,
the new world struggles to be born. Now is a
time of monsters, which I was not expecting the author
of this fantasy book to know about. So it's a
fun time. Yeah, there's lions, there's were hyaenas. It's it's good.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
We'd like to see it cool.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Well, we're going to.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Take a quick break and we'll come back and continue
answering some questions.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
We're back.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
So on that note, there's a broader question and it's
a favorite media from twenty twenty five can be books, shows, movies, games,
et cetera.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I mean, and or's gonna be up there for me.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
And Door season two is definitely gonna be hard to be.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I really enjoyed that that new show, The Pit, the
medical show.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Oh yeah, I've heard good things.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah you would like that.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I liked it. It made me dizzy, but I liked it.
It was interesting. I mean, we'll see how it does
in season two. But the first season I was like, huh.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I finally started watching that smiling Friends show and that's fun.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
Oh cool for for TV shows for me. Besides like
and Orch's which is good. I think Rehearsal season two
and the Paramount Nazi.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Episode season two, Yeah, yeah, it's more and more after
single phenomenal.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
As well as Tim Robinson's a new show, Chair Company,
which I gets to the American conspiracy mindset better than
almost anything I've seen. No parts of that are like
rival that can film. Yeah, I still think. I still
think Eddington is pretty good. It doesn't have as much
like a depth or humanity as like one battle after another,
which I quite enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I like that a lot too. I watched the first
two episodes of Chair Company and then was like, I
need to wait until they are all out so I
can derange myself and like stay up until Dawn watch.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Oh, it's so good.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
That's the way I need to encounter this. But I'm
excited for that.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
I finished Chair Company now and it consistently keeps hitting.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I don't think Tim Robinson is capable of not pleasing
me at this point.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
That's good. That's a that's a healthy relationship.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I like the on on Netflix Adolescence that that mini
series that was pretty good. The acting is incredible. There's
just so many things this year that we're pretty decent.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
TV has been good.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
TV's been good.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
TV has been good.
Speaker 9 (15:12):
Yeah, I haven't watched Shit. I've just watched I've watched
and Or and nothing else. So Hades too great game,
very fun. Yeah, det de Cronos, et cetera, et cetera. Also,
I want to talk about One of the Boys, which
is a book from the beginning of this year we
talked about on the show. That's a really really interesting
basically like sort of like a coming of age story
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about a trans girl who's trying to go who goes
back to her football team, and there's a lot of
really interesting stuff there about the relationship between transfemininity and masculinity,
and you know, the sort of like politics of sports,
and it's it's also just really fun. Has the best
written group chats I've ever seen in any piece of media.
(15:53):
So ship Rocks, Yeah, it's it's great. One of the boys, victoria' zeller,
it's it's fun.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I also watched Paradise. The ostensible focus on the show
is that like a secret service agent goes to live
with a president who is retired after like you know
how the detail that they stay with and it becomes
clear over the course of episode one this isn't really
a spoiler that the president is living in an underground
bunker with all of the other survivors of a catastrophe
(16:20):
that ended the world. And so it's like all of
the leadership cadra of the United States living underground in
a bunker after the world has ended, and then it
turns into a murder mystery. It's pretty good. It's fun nice.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I don't watch much TV, yeah, but I have been
enjoying sticking to the theme. I guess ak Press have
a translation now of two books that I very much
enjoyed reading in other languages. One is called Zaragossa Bound,
which is exclusively about the Druti column. I think it's
probably the best book I've read on the Druti Column
(16:53):
and Sons of Night by Antoine Jimenez, who was actually
that was not his birth name, but he was an
Haalian anarchist who fought with the International Group of the
Druti Column and it's his diary. And then he later
like in later life, was a groundskeeper at like the
Libertarian People's Club in Marseille, and after his passing, the
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young people at the club found his diaries, publish him
and then have these like incredible series of annotations like
two thirty. The book is, it's annotations, but it's really
well done. So I like that one.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Look, I think I can answer this next one. Given
how we see media companies from Disney to Conde and
ask purge or otherwise censor anyone centing against Trump. Do
you fear iHeartRadio doing something to cool Zone. My answer
is they've never, They've never censored us in the in
the past, so I don't see it happening in the future.
(17:45):
But you never know.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, I mean anything can happen. It's media. I'm on
my third or fourth industry depending on how you count it,
within the digital media space. But like what I'll tell you, right,
now is that at the moment, and this has been
true for almost a decade, we make them money and
they in return say, keep doing what you're doing, kid, kiddos, bukaroos.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
So yeah, that's about as good as it ever gets
in media, in journalism. So you know, let's keep our
fingers crossed.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yep. What was a piece or series cools one media
put together in the past year twenty twenty five that
you were most proud or happy to be part of?
Speaker 4 (18:23):
What about you gare?
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Probably the piece that I'm most proud of in like
a reflective sense is the dog Whistle Politics episode I did.
I still think that's really relevant and a useful addition
to like our cultural dialogue around understanding dog whistles coming
out of the Trump administration. And like, even still now
I will see see posts with people decoding false messages
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in overtly like nationalistic communications from the DHS again, and
then this whole focus on like dog whistles versus the
actual implementation of their which they're already doing. A few
times this year, DHS has posted just very very blatant,
like fast wave of stuff. They posted a moon Man
meme earlier this year, right and if if you told
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years ago, we would have like I don't know, I
don't know what we would.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Have had I would have had I would have fifty
one fifty yeah, yeah, I would have put your ass
on a seventy two hour hold.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
So, like there's obvious stuff like that, Like yeah, no,
they're they're clearly clearly doing like intentional nods towards like
online fascist memes. And then they are also just posting regular,
regular sentiments of like nationalist policy that people are then
reading in coded statements to. And I don't think that
whole practice is super useful when they're actually implementing this stuff.
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And I think the sort of like anti ice protests
you see in Chicago and like in New York on
Connell Street, it's a way more useful way to channel
frustration at the administration and like a frustration around like
this nationalist immigration stuff, rather than trying to you know,
look for these maybe real, maybe not coded messages on
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X the everything app.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, I'm proud of the Zizzian episodes that I did
earlier this year, and those are my best episodes of
the year, you know, I'm particularly this year have done
a lot more back end supporting work, but I'm continue
to be extremely proud of how ed Xytron's both show
and influence in the industry that he covers has grown,
(20:26):
especially as he's been really on the ball ahead of
some of the breaking of open ais irrational exuberance. Been
really happy to play a small role in that. It's
just really satisfying to like stumble onto somebody and be like, oh,
I think this person has some good things to say.
I'm going to try to get that out to more people,
(20:48):
and then really feel like, yeah, that was the right call.
Turns out this was exactly the voice that needed to
be louder in this space. That just feels good. It's
the kind of it's a kind of good feeling that
you only really get in this business, and it really
makes up for all of the bad feelings that you
also only get in this business.
Speaker 9 (21:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I have two things. One
on sort of just a personal level, I'm really proud
of the episode that I did that was sort of
about Elon Musks Nazi Salute, but was mostly about the
way that all of our reality has been consumed by
spectacle and the way that we relate to each other
(21:26):
through you know, through screens and through like images of
media in a very you know, so this was this
was a very guide to board sciety these medical episode.
But I'm really proud of how that episode played out
and how I think in a lot of ways it
kind of it kind of predicted some of what's been
happening in terms of, you know, if you look at
the sort of decrease and use to social media over
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the last sort of year and the turn away from
these these these social relationships that are purely mediated by
images that suck and make you miserable all the time.
And the ether thing that I'm really proud of is
some coverage we did about the Republicans attempt in the
in one of the one of the previous budget fights
to impose a role that would have blocked Medicaid from
(22:13):
covering trans healthcare. And we covered it and we helped
blow it up and we help get that killed, and
that rocks. I don't know, it's awesome. I'm really proud
of it. I'm also really proud of the trans News
Network people, Yeah, particularly like Medicals again and Miria Levigne
who did a really great job covering that and helping
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stop it, and it rocks love us see it.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
I think for me, like still the border stuff. Really
it made me really happy that like last year I
went to the jungle and made a podcast and now
one of the people I met has a place to live.
That's really cool, and like it really makes me happy.
Like not just when we can like shift the discourse.
I think that's cool, but also when people listen to
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that and then change the things that they do, like
every day or some like that's always what you want.
What I want as a journalist is like for people
to listen and care guess why I go to places,
And so it's been really cool to see people and
just to run into people engaging in like mutual aid
at the boarder and then then like them slowly realize
(23:17):
that I'm the person that they listened to on a
podcast a year ago or two years ago whatever. Is
kind of funny. But yet I think I'm really proud
of that, and I'm proud of all the people in
the second series for all the stuff that they've done.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I'm super proud of the anti vaxx America series that
I commissioned Steven to do. I think it was a
really good, complete project that covered the story in depth
more than anyone else. So if you haven't checked that out,
check it out. We're going to go to another quick
break and then we'll answer a couple more questions.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
Sound good, cool, Yep, we're back all right.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
This question says, as we become jokrified, Sure.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
As we all become jokerified.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Eventually, what did it for each of you? I mean,
let's just say, let's let's just answer in like the
last year.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Sure not not overall a recent jokerification inciting incident.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I can answer that, And that might also be career
since it's when we couldn't get into the DNC for
comm layers to speech.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Oh no, that was nothing to me. That hurt me.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
That hurt me so much because the DNC was so depressing.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
It was so depressing, and.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
The DNC was way worse than the RNC.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
Post DNC certainly was a jokerifying moment for me.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
It hurts Garrison. I had people reaching out to me
in Portland who were worried about you after the DMC.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
Yeah, the DNC was a jokerifying moment. I guess to
piggyback off that though in terms of like a re
sent joker moment working on the like Democrat left wing
conspiracy stuff really did a number on me.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
Yeah, and just like like seeing the scale of that stuff,
especially around like the Charlie Kirk assassination, and just that
that that whole moment definitely was like just drilling into
my head.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, those uh, like truth tunnels that people went.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
The whole team could attest to this, I was getting
pretty out there.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
You can't get back to Garrison sustained damage.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
The uniformity of the embrace of counter factuals is like, like,
I I don't even know what to do about it anymore.
I don't feel like fact checking works. Yeah, I feel
like positing alternate facts feels bad too, because then you're
just like saying, well, I guess we're just openly having
(25:51):
a life fight. Let's all have a big life fight.
Let's see who's live.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
No, And when you're when you're trying to be the
only one holding on to like the like life raft
of truth as everyone as everyone else is like drowning
and like mad at you.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah, it's like I, yeah, I don't know, you don't
know how to handle that.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Whenever I encounter someone who's like you think Trump got
shot in the ear, Like, yes, yes, I do. Yes,
In fact, I do think he got shot in the ear.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
And also can we not like what it's a year
ago late, like we're here now.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
That one is so comprehensively disappointed to me because one
of the little things it reveals is that there's even
among progressives in the left, this belief that like, someone
can't be injured by a gun and handle it reasonably
well and not be a good person. Right, right, you
have faked the fact that he didn't like can and
piss himself. It has to be fake. It's like, no,
(26:45):
he just like didn't freak out or whatever on a
huge mine shows a huge adrenal. Have you ever been
shot at It's like when you get when you realize
you didn't get hit, it feels awesome. Yeah, you're living.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
You are surfing a cloud for a while there you're
not anymore.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
I think the insights I got from this like left
wing conspiracism, like like seizure. Right, this is like the
seizure of the left embracing desk. I got one of
the biggest points of clarity I was on, like what's
happening right now? Is this like tactical flattening of especially
after the Charlie Kirk stuff as well, Like with the
right wing embracing this like cultural cancelation strategy of trying
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to get people fired for saying things online, which they've
tried to do before but was done way more successfully
that month, and like directed by the administration, and then
the left embracing a style of conspiratorial thinking that previously
was really only embraced as fully on the right. So
like this, this this flattening of tactics across the left
and the right, I think has been a useful way
(27:45):
to look at our current situation.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
For me, Yeah, the ice guided missiles, Yeah man, that
fully fucking sent me like as someone who's been a
journalist for a while, just seeing these outlets that you
were previously kind of like the first time I had
a byline in Mother Jones, I was pumped. Yeah, and
then here they are just being like, love to know
more about these missiles.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
We have that.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Job, look at it.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
I literally did that while I was like waiting for
coffee or having a shit or something like. It took
me that much time on my telephone to find that contract, Like,
what is wrong with people.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Again, it's all just fucking shibolettes and virtue signaling boat
like that. Why would that be worse if I've had
guided missiles? Do you know how guided missiles work? Do
you know the kind of tail that's required to make
them function? Do you know the kind of like mechanical
like experts that you have to have in order to
like keep these things working and keep them usable? Why
would ice be more dangerous with these? It's just going
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to distract them from doing the things they're already use
it doing to hurt people, Like guided missiles do not
do any It would be just like extra trash for
them to carry around.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, and they'd be as bad at using them as
there and everything else.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
And to be quite frank, the government is already using
guided missiles to do war crimes via the military up. Yeah, yeah,
people who know how to use them.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
The other thing that really just wow, every single time
that there's a mass shooting event, which is often in
this country, the fact that they had to transvestigate the
person every single time, Oh yeah, holy is unnecessary annoying.
It makes me very angry, Yeah, very angry.
Speaker 8 (29:23):
Fuck men.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Just I don't know recently there was a wide piece
about like in range TV Calcasido, who's had on before
and the matches, the matches he hosts.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
And like the brutality matches. Yeah, probably thirty.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Percent of the piece was reflecting on the killing of
Charlie Kirk and like nobody who goes to Carl's matches
has been accused of shooting Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
No again, And the guy who shot Charlie Kirk didn't
shoot him because he trained doing matches. He shot deer. Yeah,
and then he shot a guy in a similar way
to how he'd shot deer.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Nor is he a trans person?
Speaker 2 (29:57):
You know, what's a better practice if you're going to
shoot someone one hundred something yards distance than a tactical
shooting match shooting deer?
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Like yeah, Like the whole thing is just like I know, Yeah,
the discourse around mass shootings has become less helpful and
more toxic.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
No part of it's because I think there's a decent
chunk of like progressives and left for whom like it's
immoral to actually know anything about how guns work, or
how shooting works, or gun culture works, so you can't
actually like understand what you're talking about, which is another problem.
There's a lot of problems. It's not high on the
list of problems. But it annoys me.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah, maybe it pitches me off irrationally more than it should.
But like I just tried to find that frustrating, Like
we cannot have a reasonable discourse around guns in this country.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
No, No, that that ship sailed, Yeah, with some bullet
holes in the hole.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
One one last serious one. M what's everyone's opinion on
the best implementation of dual power in the modern era?
That's a mea question.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
I mean, how are you defining modern era?
Speaker 4 (31:01):
I guess how you defining dual power?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah, and how long do you have the people who've
objectively done the best job of it as Asapatistas.
Speaker 9 (31:12):
And they've done the best job of it in large
part because they've been willing to change the structure of
their systems over time as things have worked and things
have not worked, and as the systems that they've been
using have decentralized. I don't know the fact that they
were able to even even under a massive attack, they
were able to do a massive expansion a few years ago. Yeah,
(31:34):
they've held out against you know, the wrath of the
Mexican state which is one of the most violent in
the world.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah. I mean I would in a similar veins talk
about like the PKK and then the YEPGJ and REROJABA,
right where you had these non state groups that had
connections and that had some experience doing what we might
call mutual aid prior to the government's collapse, and then
kind of expanded that into these networks that began to
mimic and replace state function in an area that about
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three million people lived in. I think that's a really
that's certainly a more important story in terms of how
that kind of thing might work on a larger scale
than anything that's happened up to the present point in
the United States.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
Right, Yeah, I guess in less of a militaristic way,
but more like a party capacity or like political proposal capacity.
Probably some of the stuff coming out of the New
York City Chapter of d say the past year, which
is not reflective of DSA is an entire national organization,
but specifically the New York chapter has been very very
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prefigative in actually doing like more like party oriented dual power.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, And obviously I think probably we should also talk
some about like the different immigration defense hotlines and immigration
defense reaction forces around the country that have shown really
ramping up and doing a lot of really good and
really difficult work under duress and under you know, fire,
so to speak.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Yeah, I think people have built immedunity safety to keep
that community safe when the state has failed to keep
their communities safe, right, and sometimes it's put their communities
in danger. Ye, And like especially, I think it is
kind of heartwarming to me to see people who who
were just like straight up statist liberals, right yeah, realizing
that actually the cops aren't going to come and arrest Ice.
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That's not going to fucking happen, and then being like, Okay, well,
how do we organize the strategy that will maintain safety
in our community given that this load bearing part of
reality for me that cops are good has seemingly collapsed.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
And I'd say, in general, James, the fact that there's
a whole lot of normy people who would have you
certainly would have described them as normies a year or
two ago, that are now like, yeah, we gotta get
rid of Ice. Maybe we've got to get rid of
all these cops. Yeah, Bill Crystal, Yeah, Bill Crystal. Beyond
the anti Ice train, right. Yeah, it's not bad. I
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do get the first. I'm not saying like we should
invite Bill Crystal to the party or whatever. I'm saying that,
like the fair, Crystal blocked me on Blue Sky, so
I can't invite him.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
Said, Bill Crystal's coming to the Anarchist Book Fair and
it's going to be serving Vegan Slov.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Is that even a joke? Garrisoner, Is that real? That
could be real? Okay, but but it's it's just in
general good that a lot of people who are like
where my parents were politically twenty years ago are looking
out at what's happening and being like, we got to
get rid of these fucking people. Yeah, that's that's good.
That's positive.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
I would say that that's kind of like a downstream
change from what I think will be the most long
term positive change from the twenty twenty uprisings, which is
a huge number of people who hadn't thought about the
cops realized what the cops are.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, And to wrap it up, Robert, we got like
multiple requests for you to do various accents.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Are you fucking shitting me?
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Various what accents?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Since so many requests for you to do various access.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
Well okay, some Australian ones, some Boston ones, Boston a
few other but like the specific areas of Boston. I
think they were asking about like like different like int
Austin regional. Sure, sure, I'm sure you can just do
those like one one one.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Oh all right, yes, enough of that to see? Is
that for listening? Are our Q and A episode?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Oh they could happen a year?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Nailed it perfect?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
You had no notes.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
I'd say we reported the news, but this was definitively
not the news.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Yeah we didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, goodbye.
Speaker 7 (35:27):
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