April 15, 2025 • 28 mins
James and Gare discuss the terrible impact of the earthquake that hit Sagaing in late March, how the Junta has blocked aid workers, and how the revolution has responded. We also talk about how you can help.
Better Offline & Weird Little Guys are nominated for this year’s Webby Awards! Get your votes in by April 17th! 🗳️🗳️🗳️
https://vote.webbyawards.com/PublicVoting#/2025/podcasts/individual-episode/business
https://vote.webbyawards.com/PublicVoting#/2025/podcasts/individual-episode/crime-justice
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/30/world/asia/myanmar-earthquake-aftershocks-airstrikes.html
https://myanmar-now.org/en/news/myanmar-juntas-aerial-attacks-continue-despite-post-quake-ceasefire/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/myanmar-junta-shoots-chinese-earthquake-aid-convoy-rcna199233
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/07/world/asia/myanmar-earthquake-aid.html
https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/war-against-the-junta/myanmar-junta-airstrikes-kill-over-30.html
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
All media. Hey everybody, Robert here, I wanted to let
you know that two of our hosts at Zeitron of
Better Offline and Molly Conger of Weird Little Guys, are
in the running to win the Webbys right now, or
to win Webbys in their respective categories. If you just
google their names at Zeitron, Webby Webby or Molly Conger Webby,
(00:22):
you can find them and vote for them. There will
be links in the show notes as well, Sophia, you'll
put them in, so please do vote for them.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hello, and welcome to the show. It's me James today
and I am joined by Garrison Davis. Hi, Garrison, Hello. Hello.
Garrison has just said some words about something that's happening
on social media that I don't understand, and it's made
me feel very old. That's what's happening today in my world.
It's very sad. We're gathered here today to talk about
(00:53):
the earthquake in Mianma. Right. I think most of you
will probably have been made aware of the earthquake. Click.
It's somewhat odd that corporate media has really not reported
on the revolution in any substantial way since twenty twenty one,
but the earthquake apparently justified a lot of network sending
people to Meamma for the first time. Very amusingly, people
(01:16):
dming me on Blue Sky and Twitter asking how to
get a visa from the Burmese hunter, which is not
a thing I've ever done. The last communication I had
with them came in the form of a car bomb
that they said of near to a place where we were.
But if you're not aware, the earthquake happened on the
twenty eighth of March of this year, just before one
in the afternoon. It was the biggest earthquake in Meanma.
(01:39):
So it's nineteen twelve and it registered seven point seven
on the Richter scale, which is huge because it's it's
very hard for foreign journalists to get a visa to
enter Memba. The initial reporting focused on Bangkok and the
damage done in Thailand, but the epithet was in Sagang,
which is near Mandalay, Madelade's second biggest city in Memba,
(02:00):
and that was where like the worst of the destruction happened.
Almost every street in Mandalay has collapsed buildings. It's a
little difficult for us to get a sense of the
exact scale of the damage because the Hunter refuses to
allow some media has been allowed in the BBC. I
saw like sneaked somebody in It's very difficult for media
(02:22):
to move and report freely. And in addition to this,
the Hunter has continued to practice of cutting off Internet
for people in Mema right.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Even during like emergency situations.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yes, yeah, especially during emergency. They've cut it off like
as a response to this because I guess they perceive
it to be something that makes them look weak. This
is a tendency that the Hunter has displayed before. So
in two thousand and eight, cyclone Nagas affected Mema and
killed over one hundred and thirty thousand people, and they
(02:53):
blocked international aid. They said that people didn't need the
quote chocolate bars that the US and other countries were
trying to deliver, and that they could exist by like
hunting frogs in ditches, was their suggestion. I don't think
people realize like how far down the North Korea scale
(03:14):
the Burmese Hunter is, but like they're very worried that
any interaction with the outside world, specifically with like I
guess western neoliberal powers will be damaging for their like
ability to control the population. So for that reason, we
don't know how many people have died. Right from what
(03:38):
I've heard on the ground, the death toll is substantially
higher than the three thy six hundred number being reported.
The US Geological Survey estimated that an earthquake of that
magnitude in that region would kill between ten and one
hundred thousand people. Obviously, that's quite a big kind of
delta there. What I can tell you is that I've
heard firsthand that there are some parts of mandolines A
(03:59):
going where the stench of rotting bodies is so powerful
that people have stopped returning to their homes. There have
been so many after shocks that people are still sleeping
in the street because they're worried about the damage structures
falling down. The UN has an estimate of seventeen million
people across fifty seven townships. Townships are like the administrative
(04:22):
districts that are used in miannber a bit affected, with
over nine million people facing severe hardship. And of course
this is all compounded by the fact that there were
already twenty million people in Mianba who needed humanitarian assistance,
and they're about three and a half million internally displaced
people as a result of the fighting that's happened after
the revolution, So like it really came at a pretty
(04:45):
difficult time in a place where the government is not
willing to They said after the earth quake, they wanted
international aid, but they've, as we'll see later in this script,
they've only accepted it from certain countries. I spoke to
a friend who has family in Mandalay yesterday. He told
me that they the way they're assessing the damage is
using like open source intelligence. They're trying to look in
(05:08):
the backgrounds of people's videos on Facebook to like work
out if their childhood homes fell down. Right, They were
using satellite imaging software when I spoke to them yesterday
to try and ascertain if their families were okay. They
told me or Sagang has very famous pagodas, and the
pagodas are all on a hill. Apparently a lot of
those pagodas have fallen down, and even the hill itself
(05:31):
is like listing. So there's been like massive cultural damage
as well. Another way in which the damage was compounded
by Miamma's politics was the quake struck Like I said,
at one pm on a Friday, right which is Friday prayers.
This happened during Ramadans, particularly the day before it'll fitter,
which is a very busy day for mosques if you're
(05:52):
not aware. Right, successive governments of Memma since the nineteen
sixties have refused to allow even basic maintenance for moses.
That means that these buildings were in great states of disrepair, right, Memma,
there is an alternationalist Buddhist movement which has been embraced
to a great degree by the Hunter, but also limited
(06:13):
even like the National League for Democracy, which was the
relatively neo liberal aligned party that had previously been in
power in Myanma or somewhat in power. I suppose alternationalist
Buddhist monks like Ashin Wurathu and his nine six nine
movement have kind of condemned anythink that they did as
making them pro Muslim And they have this essentially they
(06:35):
have a great replacement theory, right, that Muslims are trying
to come in through Bangladesh to replace Buddhists in Mianma.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, lots of people here have this like very orientalist
perspective of like Buddhism TM as this like you know,
like like like peaceful blah blah blah blah blah, and
like no, like Buddhism, like every religion has a variety
of sex. Yes, and the Buddhist nationalist set can be
(07:01):
particularly nasty.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, I mean as vicious as any other people I'm
sure will be familiar with their Hindi genocide and like
there are a lot of monks that supported that, including
We're Atheurism most notable one, but there are plenty more, right,
and they're part of the I mean he's he's literally
explicitly expressed, like how much he looks up to the
English Defense League Jesus. Yeah, yeah, Like these are people
(07:24):
who like they are part of this global nativist movement.
People's orientalism, I think sometimes stops him seeing that or
appreciating that this extends outside of like white global North countries. Yeah.
One thing that I did think that that really touched
me in the days after the earthquake was young Buddhist Bamar,
people of the majority ethnicity, reaching out to me and
(07:47):
being like, hey man, this happened in Friday prayers to Ramadan,
and it has devastated the Muslim population, Like thousands of people,
hundreds of mosques have gone and thousands of people are
trapped in a rubble and like no one's talking about it?
Why is no we're talking about it? This is terrible
and like it would have been inconceivable to hear young
Bama Buddhist people so concerned with the well being of
(08:10):
like their Muslim countrymen before the coup in twenty twenty one.
This was a country that had been manufacturing consent for
genocide against its Muslim minorities for four or five years
by that point, right specifically on Facebook. That's a behind
the bath this episode on this you can also listen
if you're new to the show. Robert and I have
(08:30):
made two scripted series about the revolution in me Amma,
which will include in the show notes. But like that
change to a real genuine solidarity and care between these
two groups was really touching in the like moments after
the earthquake, in the dates after the earthquake. When we
come back, I want to talk a little bit more
about the revolution and I want to talk about how
(08:51):
the revolution has been responding to this and the impact
has had on the revolution. We are back, and of
course the revolution hasn't stopped because of the earthquake. Right,
the conflict is still ongoing, and the PDFs and their
(09:16):
allied ethnic bsiness organizations are still fighting against the Hunter.
In fact, within an hour of the earthquake, the Hunter
began using paramotors to drop bombs on Hangule village and Sagang.
This has been a thing that they've started to do recently.
In a sense, I guess it's a good sign because
it shows that maybe their jets and other aircraft are
(09:38):
in a poor state of repair, or that they're struggling
to keep enough of them airborne. Initially, I wondered if
they were using the paramotors because their runways have been damaged,
but there doesn't seem to be the case. They've been
striking just as much as they ever did, which is unfortunate.
Satellite images or reports of my source on the ground
suggests that they're able to continue carrying out bombing rates
(10:02):
at a pretty similar rate from when they did before.
Despite this, the National Unity Government, which is kind of
the shadow government composed mostly of people who are elected
and then deposed by the coup in twenty twenty one
and the PDF who in theory are commanded by the
National Unity Government, called a two week ceasefire right after
the earthquake to allow for like a humanitarian pause. The
(10:26):
Three Brotherhood Alliance, which is an alliance of the three
month powerful ethnic resistance organizations in Myanmar, also called what
they called a humanitarian pause for a month. In both
cases they said they wouldn't undertake offensive operations, but they
would defend themselves right because I think they had a
CeNSE that the Hunter wasn't going to stop attacking them.
The Hunter did declare its own ceasfire on April third,
(10:49):
and the Kachin In Dependence Army, which is another ethnic
residence organization, followed shortly thereafter. Notably, that ceasefire from the
Hunter came the day after its troops fire on a
Chinese Red Cross convoy, which is not a great look
for them.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
No, never love to see that.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, we don't love to see people firing on the
Red Cross. This is especially bad for the Hunter because
China has been growing closer and closer to the Hunter
and supporting it. China's had this weird back and forth
relationship with the Revolution. At times it supported the revolution,
it seems like just supporting the me and my National
Democratic Alliance Army, which is a group that broke off
the Communist Party of Burma in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
That yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, there's also the United War State Army, which isn't
part of the revolution, which is that which has the
strongest relationship with the PSC, and they're just chilling. They
haven't really entered the conflict.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
It's called straight chillin. By the way, Jane, straight chillin.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, there you go. That's how you say it. I
marked myself out yet again, straight chillin the United War
State Army, Thank you, Charrison. Actually it spoke to some
Cardridge from the Burmese Communist Party. The Communist Party of
Burma re entered after twenty twenty one, and like they're
(12:05):
not focusing on like proselytizing the Maoist gospel to people.
They're focusing on like fighting the hunter and like developing alliances.
And it's kind of it's interesting to see where that
will go. Given Marcus Leninism MAUS and is definitely not
the majority ideology the revolution. Most people are committed to
some form of federal democracy, which when you speak to
(12:25):
different fighters, varies from like we want what you guys
have in the US to something more akin to the
democratic con federalism that people might be familiar with in
ra Java. China is competing with Russia in me and
mar So both of them are interested in supporting the
Hunter right like, and obviously both their ideologies are far
from the liberatory. They're interested in propping up a totalitarian state.
(12:49):
So we have seen both Russia and China send support
to the Hunter, send like rescue teams after the earthquake. Meanwhile,
the US offered two million dollars, which I was kind
of surprisingly offered.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Any think that is low key surprising considering Yeah, Mark Rubio.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Right, Yeah, well I think Rubio is more of a
like slightly Rubio is a neocon.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, I guess like it makes sense Mark Rubio like
five years ago. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. Like post
like you said, being gutted, They're like, oh, you're still
doing that kind of stuff. Huh. Yeah, there's like a
weird like mix of things because because yes, like a
traditional neo con style Rubio. This this tracks but all
(13:33):
of the movements that the Trump administration has been doing
more recently. This seems like it seems like some kind
of dei shenanigans if you ask.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, actually they added another seven million later nine million
which is, yeah, it's not a lot of money compared
to what we would normally expect.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
And at the same.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Time they did it, three USAID workers, at least three,
I should say three that I'm aware of, were laid off,
like literally they received emails telling them that they no
longer had a job while they were on the ground
assisting earthquake survivors.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Department of Government Efficiency strikes again.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Highly efficient, will send you the money and then also
put out our own people who I guess are supervising
how the money has spent or would be. It definitely
shows though, like a strategic shift in the region China
and Russia. China obviously is interested in Memma because of
its rare earth metals, because of jade China has originally
had a lot of jade trade with mean Ma, and
(14:29):
then because it controls a large amount of seafront right,
which which China wouldn't want to fall into like way
it would see as like someone with adversarial interests. Russia
is still interested in just kind of projecting itself as
a global power, even as it continues to shrink of
every day in terms of its global ability to project power.
But there definitely are both Chinese and Russian assistance helping
(14:51):
the Miamma Hunter. Now, meanwhile, the US doesn't seem to
give a shit what happens here now like this is
kind of not that it by the administration was doing
very much either, but at least we had USAID and
USIP was very invested in MEMR and actually did a
really good job of kind of almost like being the
Foreign Affairs not branch, but they explained the revolution to
(15:13):
the world, like whenever a journalist wanted to understand the
revolution in Memr, it was USIP they went to. Obviously,
all the contents that have a USIP have now been doged,
which is a shame. So despite the ceasefire, right I said,
they fired on these Chinese troops, the Hunter has in
fact not stop bombing earthquake struck areas since the earthquake
(15:35):
madele APDF who I'm in contact with the other revolutionary
forces in the area that was most affected by the
earthquake on April seventh, told me that they were aware
of ten strikes in their area of operations since the earthquake.
Three months old baby and a ten year old child
were killed in an air raid on Niicar village and
Papun township that was in Corrent State. On April tenth,
(15:57):
they bombed a school and something that the and likes
to do a lot that They dropped two five hundred
pound bombs on a food court. They then circled back
and dropped another bomb on the people responding to and
giving aid to the people they'd initially bombed in the
food court by food court here, Just to clarify, I'm
not talking about like at the shopping mall. I'm talking
about like a market where people can buy like prepared food. Right.
(16:21):
They've killed the best I can collate from various sources,
at least seventy two people and injured about one hundred
people in addition to thousands who died after the earthquake.
There are also reports that hunter quote unquote recruiters here
are engaging in forced conscription in the disaster zone. I
(16:42):
read of at least one person who was on a
search and rescue team, like they were a trained search
and rescue volunteer, right, so they were moving rebel to
rescue people, and they were forcibly conscripted while they were
doing that. Obviously, that's had a chilling effect on people
going out to help others. Right, what the Hunter is
not doing is rescuing its citizens. The military is detested
(17:05):
in most of me and mar even in the areas
that it controls, and its failure to even try and
track people rescued on the rubber won't help this. There
was a video that went viral recently of Hunter troops
literally a line of soldiers rescuing bricks. They've gone to
a collapsed building and they're inspecting the bricks to see
if the bricks a whole, and then passing them down
the lines and stacking them up.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Don't worry. The bricks are safe.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, the bricks are safe. The people are not, which
just like it was genuinely like infuriating to see it,
and I can't imagine for people who have lost family
members how that must feel. Even rescue workers, like I said,
have been forcibly conscripted. Equality MEANMA has noted more than
one hundred cases of force conscriptions since the earthquake. So
(17:49):
Meama has a conscription rule right, a law, so anyone
men and now women between certain ages can be forcibly
conscripted into the Hunter's army.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
So they're just finding people displaced from the earthquake and
forcing now.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, it's people who have been hiding in their homes
right who now don't have homes to hide it, yeah,
or people who came out in order to save their
neighbors and now now they're forcing them to be to
fight for them, just as as they did with cyclone Nagis.
They've also delayed and in cases blocked AID. A team
came from France to assist in a search and rescue.
(18:21):
They spent twenty four hours sitting in an airport waiting
for their visa to be approved, and then they spent
one day working in search and rescue efforts before being
told that search and rescue efforts had now finished and
they were to go home. So they traveled around the
entire world and didn't save a single life abundance it's great,
presumably because the hunter wanted to plicate China. A Taiwanese
(18:45):
team was straight up refused entry into Meenmar. Taiwan had
a search and rescue team that they were willing to
say zend who could have saved yourble lives, and that
they weren't allowed to enter. All tourist visas have been suspended,
so it's not like the Hunter is like overwhelmed with
visa applications, but they're not allowing certain rescue teams to
enter from countries. I guess they're not politically aligned with
This kind of horrific indifference to human suffering has characterized
(19:07):
a toutmudor for decades, and it's really unlikely to change.
As it grows even more desperate and it loses even
more territory, it's just going to clamp down harder and
harder on its people. The one in the liberated areas.
Aid is being mobilized using the mutual aid structures which
you've existed for decades. In the absence of the state,
in significant and growing parts of ME and MA, people
are relying on each other instead of the government for aid,
(19:30):
and that has its benefits, right, Like people have been
out rescuing people from the rebel, but they're also desperately
short of resources. I spoke to mandal APDF rescue team
at the first week of April and they literally sent
me a They have a notebook of a list of
like we've run out of gorz, we've run out of
towny ks, we've run out of adhesive dressings, we've run
(19:51):
out of elastic bandages, right, they're like the little nuts
and bolts of saving people's lives they run out of.
We did a fund raising campaign for them through behind
the Bus. We raised nearly two thousand dollars, which is great.
So they're restocking their supplies, which is fantastic, But that's
just one township. All across the country, people are struggling
for the basic supplies that they need to save lives.
(20:13):
The military has also blocked aid and medicine from entering
their areas. Right, so the military controls a lot of
roadblocks and it uses its control of those roadblocks to
stop AIDA medicine. Often it's kind of hoarding it in
the capital city, which is Napidor. People not familiar and
Napidor is a city that they've couldn't have built for
itself to govern from, I mean seat of kings. Also
(20:33):
in Napidor right now is the US AID agency Samaritans Purse.
Are you familiar with Samaritans perse keratin?
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I don't think so. It sounds vaguely familiar, but all
these humanitarian organizations all have like the same like four
words that they shuffle around in different ways.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, Samaritans perse perhaps the most famous
for being run by Franklin Graham.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Okay, yes, the idea what this is and who this is?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yes, yeah, having all their volunteers sign like a statement
of faith, and being extremely homophobic. For some reason, Samaritans
Persons establishing a field hospital in Napi door right now.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
They're going to force people to convert to Evangelical Christianity
before they give services like they do in some.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Cases, yeah, or just leave them like they did in
Afghanistan if they're not Christian. I cannot work out for
the life of me what the fuck they're doing, because
like the Hunter has made a consistent policy of bombing
Christians in me Emma. Right in Karen and Karini State,
there are a lot of Christian people. On Christmas Day,
the Hunter bombed people going to services because it knew
(21:37):
that Christians would be going to services at churches. Right
the Kareni Christians this year I saw celebrated Christmas in
caves because they were so afraid of being bombed. Right, Like,
I have no idea what logical leap you have to make?
Are yeah, it's and they're like they're not even at
the Insagang. The only people. The only international aida aware
(22:00):
of that was able to make it to Sagang was
a Malaysian team who were able to save some lives. Unfortunately,
there were really strong rains this week and that made
all the collapse structures even more unstable. And the Malaysian
team I saw have now returned home. We're going to
take another ad break here and when we come back,
we will talk about what you can do t help.
(22:30):
All right, and we're back first, I want to, I
guess have some good news. Despite everything. The military has
still been taking massive losses. The all Burma students Democratic
Front captured remaining hunter positions in Indoor. They're almost Democratic
Front are a group that's been around since nineteen eighty eight, right,
and they have armed up and re entered the revolution
(22:52):
since twenty twenty one. One of the things that they
captured on Monday was a underground Japanese field hospital from
World War II, which I guess had been like entrench position.
I guess they're not covered technically by the ceasefire, but
there was a unit under the National Uniti government's command
that operated with them, and from what I understand, this
(23:14):
began as a defensive action. They'd surrounded the Hunter. I
think it's called Japan Cave Hill. They'd surrounded them on
Japan Cave Hill for a long time and then the Hunter,
obviously seeing the earthquake and everything thereafter, decided that now
was the time for them to break out of this circlement.
They did not break out, They took a fat l
and as a result, they've all been captured now. Meanwhile,
(23:36):
in chin Land, if people haven't listened to the episode,
I did a couple of weeks ago with a Zad
from the Anti Fashis Internationalists Front. I was just going
back and listening to that to understand chin Land. But
the AIF and a lot of their allied forces from
a Chinland Defense Force and a chin Brotherhood had a
significant victory in capturing the rest of the Hunter's positions
in Flam last week. And I think it's very much
(23:59):
like on the table that we will see the whole
of chin Land liberated in the next few months or
by the end of the year, which would be great
to see. So people are wondering, like what they can
do to help, right, And I think it's a very
valid question because I saw today that the UN was
meeting with the Hunter in NAPI door and I just
(24:21):
have no faith that any money that goes to the
Hunter is going to get to people who need it.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Yeah, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
You cannot, like they want them to die that I
don't know, they're like evil why yeah, yeah, they are
literally genocide or they have done a genocide like that
has been prosecuted international Criminal court. Like, I have no
understanding why people continue to like international organizations continue to
(24:48):
funnel money to them other than because like they have
a status quo bias. I guess, so don't be doing that.
But there are groups who are making a really big difference.
And one of them that I wanted to highlight, and
Robert and I were very familiar with their work from
the last time that we were over reporting is Community
Partists International. CPI are really cool because they work by
(25:11):
empowering members of the local community to be health volunteers,
as opposed to like dropping in some like doctors from America,
right or doctors from the United Kingdom or whatever, and
then when those people leave, they take their skills with them.
CPI the thing is to educate folks within the community
so that they can take care of one another. And
(25:32):
I sor that CPI has a matching donations thing right now,
which is pretty cool. So like if you donate, someone
else will match your donation and that will double the
amount that you receive otherwise. I will provide a list
of mutual aid funds that have been shared with me.
Most of them are like GoFundMe or things like that.
(25:53):
I'll put it all in the show description. They've all
been vetted, and like I know, people are sometimes relucted
to give to go fundmes and they'd rather give to
like a five oh one C three or an organization
which has a little bit more I guess, like online presence.
In this case, you have to understand that like a
lot of orgs just aren't operating in the liberated areas.
(26:14):
The two that I'm aware of CPI and Free Burma
Ranges right I spoke to Dave from Free Burma Ranges.
They're trying to get to as many people as it
can as well. That would be another great place to donate.
And I would include a list of vetted gofundmes if
you want to have a look through those and see
if any of them kind of speaks to you more,
you can do that too. What this will mean for
(26:35):
the future of Memma. We don't know yet, right, We
have really no sense of how many people have died,
of what it's done to the Hunter's ability to control
those areas. But until the Revolution has a way to
stop planes bombing people, we will continue to see the
same dynamic, right of the Hunter losing terrain on the ground,
(26:59):
pulling back its soldiers and then bombing civilians in the
areas that it's lost. That is its game plan. It's
continuing to get more drones from China. It's getting aircraft,
munitions and jet fuel from China. Until there is an
embargo on jet fuel and munitions to the Hunter, then
(27:19):
we will see this same pattern continue, Right, they lose terrain,
they bomb a school, they lose terrain, they bomb a hospital.
It's the same stuff that Israel's doing, and they've of
course previously been armed by Israel as well. But we
don't see as much solidarity for the people at Burma.
If you want to stay in touch with what's happening
(27:40):
on the ground, I think the Irawiti I Double r
a Wa DDY does a really good job of doing
daily summaries right now, so I would suggest checking out
what's happening there, and of course we'll keep you updated
on developments in the Spring Revolution as they come.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
It Could Happen Here is a product of cool Zone Media.
For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website
coolzonmedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can
now find sources for it could Happen Here, listed directly
in episode descriptions. Thanks for listening.
All media. Hey everybody, Robert here, I wanted to let
you know that two of our hosts at Zeitron of
Better Offline and Molly Conger of Weird Little Guys, are
in the running to win the Webbys right now, or
to win Webbys in their respective categories. If you just
google their names at Zeitron, Webby Webby or Molly Conger Webby,
(00:22):
you can find them and vote for them. There will
be links in the show notes as well, Sophia, you'll
put them in, so please do vote for them.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hello, and welcome to the show. It's me James today
and I am joined by Garrison Davis. Hi, Garrison, Hello. Hello.
Garrison has just said some words about something that's happening
on social media that I don't understand, and it's made
me feel very old. That's what's happening today in my world.
It's very sad. We're gathered here today to talk about
(00:53):
the earthquake in Mianma. Right. I think most of you
will probably have been made aware of the earthquake. Click.
It's somewhat odd that corporate media has really not reported
on the revolution in any substantial way since twenty twenty one,
but the earthquake apparently justified a lot of network sending
people to Meamma for the first time. Very amusingly, people
(01:16):
dming me on Blue Sky and Twitter asking how to
get a visa from the Burmese hunter, which is not
a thing I've ever done. The last communication I had
with them came in the form of a car bomb
that they said of near to a place where we were.
But if you're not aware, the earthquake happened on the
twenty eighth of March of this year, just before one
in the afternoon. It was the biggest earthquake in Meanma.
(01:39):
So it's nineteen twelve and it registered seven point seven
on the Richter scale, which is huge because it's it's
very hard for foreign journalists to get a visa to
enter Memba. The initial reporting focused on Bangkok and the
damage done in Thailand, but the epithet was in Sagang,
which is near Mandalay, Madelade's second biggest city in Memba,
(02:00):
and that was where like the worst of the destruction happened.
Almost every street in Mandalay has collapsed buildings. It's a
little difficult for us to get a sense of the
exact scale of the damage because the Hunter refuses to
allow some media has been allowed in the BBC. I
saw like sneaked somebody in It's very difficult for media
(02:22):
to move and report freely. And in addition to this,
the Hunter has continued to practice of cutting off Internet
for people in Mema right.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Even during like emergency situations.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yes, yeah, especially during emergency. They've cut it off like
as a response to this because I guess they perceive
it to be something that makes them look weak. This
is a tendency that the Hunter has displayed before. So
in two thousand and eight, cyclone Nagas affected Mema and
killed over one hundred and thirty thousand people, and they
(02:53):
blocked international aid. They said that people didn't need the
quote chocolate bars that the US and other countries were
trying to deliver, and that they could exist by like
hunting frogs in ditches, was their suggestion. I don't think
people realize like how far down the North Korea scale
(03:14):
the Burmese Hunter is, but like they're very worried that
any interaction with the outside world, specifically with like I
guess western neoliberal powers will be damaging for their like
ability to control the population. So for that reason, we
don't know how many people have died. Right from what
(03:38):
I've heard on the ground, the death toll is substantially
higher than the three thy six hundred number being reported.
The US Geological Survey estimated that an earthquake of that
magnitude in that region would kill between ten and one
hundred thousand people. Obviously, that's quite a big kind of
delta there. What I can tell you is that I've
heard firsthand that there are some parts of mandolines A
(03:59):
going where the stench of rotting bodies is so powerful
that people have stopped returning to their homes. There have
been so many after shocks that people are still sleeping
in the street because they're worried about the damage structures
falling down. The UN has an estimate of seventeen million
people across fifty seven townships. Townships are like the administrative
(04:22):
districts that are used in miannber a bit affected, with
over nine million people facing severe hardship. And of course
this is all compounded by the fact that there were
already twenty million people in Mianba who needed humanitarian assistance,
and they're about three and a half million internally displaced
people as a result of the fighting that's happened after
the revolution, So like it really came at a pretty
(04:45):
difficult time in a place where the government is not
willing to They said after the earth quake, they wanted
international aid, but they've, as we'll see later in this script,
they've only accepted it from certain countries. I spoke to
a friend who has family in Mandalay yesterday. He told
me that they the way they're assessing the damage is
using like open source intelligence. They're trying to look in
(05:08):
the backgrounds of people's videos on Facebook to like work
out if their childhood homes fell down. Right, They were
using satellite imaging software when I spoke to them yesterday
to try and ascertain if their families were okay. They
told me or Sagang has very famous pagodas, and the
pagodas are all on a hill. Apparently a lot of
those pagodas have fallen down, and even the hill itself
(05:31):
is like listing. So there's been like massive cultural damage
as well. Another way in which the damage was compounded
by Miamma's politics was the quake struck Like I said,
at one pm on a Friday, right which is Friday prayers.
This happened during Ramadans, particularly the day before it'll fitter,
which is a very busy day for mosques if you're
(05:52):
not aware. Right, successive governments of Memma since the nineteen
sixties have refused to allow even basic maintenance for moses.
That means that these buildings were in great states of disrepair, right, Memma,
there is an alternationalist Buddhist movement which has been embraced
to a great degree by the Hunter, but also limited
(06:13):
even like the National League for Democracy, which was the
relatively neo liberal aligned party that had previously been in
power in Myanma or somewhat in power. I suppose alternationalist
Buddhist monks like Ashin Wurathu and his nine six nine
movement have kind of condemned anythink that they did as
making them pro Muslim And they have this essentially they
(06:35):
have a great replacement theory, right, that Muslims are trying
to come in through Bangladesh to replace Buddhists in Mianma.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, lots of people here have this like very orientalist
perspective of like Buddhism TM as this like you know,
like like like peaceful blah blah blah blah blah, and
like no, like Buddhism, like every religion has a variety
of sex. Yes, and the Buddhist nationalist set can be
(07:01):
particularly nasty.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, I mean as vicious as any other people I'm
sure will be familiar with their Hindi genocide and like
there are a lot of monks that supported that, including
We're Atheurism most notable one, but there are plenty more, right,
and they're part of the I mean he's he's literally
explicitly expressed, like how much he looks up to the
English Defense League Jesus. Yeah, yeah, Like these are people
(07:24):
who like they are part of this global nativist movement.
People's orientalism, I think sometimes stops him seeing that or
appreciating that this extends outside of like white global North countries. Yeah.
One thing that I did think that that really touched
me in the days after the earthquake was young Buddhist Bamar,
people of the majority ethnicity, reaching out to me and
(07:47):
being like, hey man, this happened in Friday prayers to Ramadan,
and it has devastated the Muslim population, Like thousands of people,
hundreds of mosques have gone and thousands of people are
trapped in a rubble and like no one's talking about it?
Why is no we're talking about it? This is terrible
and like it would have been inconceivable to hear young
Bama Buddhist people so concerned with the well being of
(08:10):
like their Muslim countrymen before the coup in twenty twenty one.
This was a country that had been manufacturing consent for
genocide against its Muslim minorities for four or five years
by that point, right specifically on Facebook. That's a behind
the bath this episode on this you can also listen
if you're new to the show. Robert and I have
(08:30):
made two scripted series about the revolution in me Amma,
which will include in the show notes. But like that
change to a real genuine solidarity and care between these
two groups was really touching in the like moments after
the earthquake, in the dates after the earthquake. When we
come back, I want to talk a little bit more
about the revolution and I want to talk about how
(08:51):
the revolution has been responding to this and the impact
has had on the revolution. We are back, and of
course the revolution hasn't stopped because of the earthquake. Right,
the conflict is still ongoing, and the PDFs and their
(09:16):
allied ethnic bsiness organizations are still fighting against the Hunter.
In fact, within an hour of the earthquake, the Hunter
began using paramotors to drop bombs on Hangule village and Sagang.
This has been a thing that they've started to do recently.
In a sense, I guess it's a good sign because
it shows that maybe their jets and other aircraft are
(09:38):
in a poor state of repair, or that they're struggling
to keep enough of them airborne. Initially, I wondered if
they were using the paramotors because their runways have been damaged,
but there doesn't seem to be the case. They've been
striking just as much as they ever did, which is unfortunate.
Satellite images or reports of my source on the ground
suggests that they're able to continue carrying out bombing rates
(10:02):
at a pretty similar rate from when they did before.
Despite this, the National Unity Government, which is kind of
the shadow government composed mostly of people who are elected
and then deposed by the coup in twenty twenty one
and the PDF who in theory are commanded by the
National Unity Government, called a two week ceasefire right after
the earthquake to allow for like a humanitarian pause. The
(10:26):
Three Brotherhood Alliance, which is an alliance of the three
month powerful ethnic resistance organizations in Myanmar, also called what
they called a humanitarian pause for a month. In both
cases they said they wouldn't undertake offensive operations, but they
would defend themselves right because I think they had a
CeNSE that the Hunter wasn't going to stop attacking them.
The Hunter did declare its own ceasfire on April third,
(10:49):
and the Kachin In Dependence Army, which is another ethnic
residence organization, followed shortly thereafter. Notably, that ceasefire from the
Hunter came the day after its troops fire on a
Chinese Red Cross convoy, which is not a great look
for them.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
No, never love to see that.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, we don't love to see people firing on the
Red Cross. This is especially bad for the Hunter because
China has been growing closer and closer to the Hunter
and supporting it. China's had this weird back and forth
relationship with the Revolution. At times it supported the revolution,
it seems like just supporting the me and my National
Democratic Alliance Army, which is a group that broke off
the Communist Party of Burma in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
That yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, there's also the United War State Army, which isn't
part of the revolution, which is that which has the
strongest relationship with the PSC, and they're just chilling. They
haven't really entered the conflict.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
It's called straight chillin. By the way, Jane, straight chillin.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, there you go. That's how you say it. I
marked myself out yet again, straight chillin the United War
State Army, Thank you, Charrison. Actually it spoke to some
Cardridge from the Burmese Communist Party. The Communist Party of
Burma re entered after twenty twenty one, and like they're
(12:05):
not focusing on like proselytizing the Maoist gospel to people.
They're focusing on like fighting the hunter and like developing alliances.
And it's kind of it's interesting to see where that
will go. Given Marcus Leninism MAUS and is definitely not
the majority ideology the revolution. Most people are committed to
some form of federal democracy, which when you speak to
(12:25):
different fighters, varies from like we want what you guys
have in the US to something more akin to the
democratic con federalism that people might be familiar with in
ra Java. China is competing with Russia in me and
mar So both of them are interested in supporting the
Hunter right like, and obviously both their ideologies are far
from the liberatory. They're interested in propping up a totalitarian state.
(12:49):
So we have seen both Russia and China send support
to the Hunter, send like rescue teams after the earthquake. Meanwhile,
the US offered two million dollars, which I was kind
of surprisingly offered.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Any think that is low key surprising considering Yeah, Mark Rubio.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Right, Yeah, well I think Rubio is more of a
like slightly Rubio is a neocon.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, I guess like it makes sense Mark Rubio like
five years ago. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. Like post
like you said, being gutted, They're like, oh, you're still
doing that kind of stuff. Huh. Yeah, there's like a
weird like mix of things because because yes, like a
traditional neo con style Rubio. This this tracks but all
(13:33):
of the movements that the Trump administration has been doing
more recently. This seems like it seems like some kind
of dei shenanigans if you ask.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, actually they added another seven million later nine million
which is, yeah, it's not a lot of money compared
to what we would normally expect.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
And at the same.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Time they did it, three USAID workers, at least three,
I should say three that I'm aware of, were laid off,
like literally they received emails telling them that they no
longer had a job while they were on the ground
assisting earthquake survivors.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Department of Government Efficiency strikes again.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Highly efficient, will send you the money and then also
put out our own people who I guess are supervising
how the money has spent or would be. It definitely
shows though, like a strategic shift in the region China
and Russia. China obviously is interested in Memma because of
its rare earth metals, because of jade China has originally
had a lot of jade trade with mean Ma, and
(14:29):
then because it controls a large amount of seafront right,
which which China wouldn't want to fall into like way
it would see as like someone with adversarial interests. Russia
is still interested in just kind of projecting itself as
a global power, even as it continues to shrink of
every day in terms of its global ability to project power.
But there definitely are both Chinese and Russian assistance helping
(14:51):
the Miamma Hunter. Now, meanwhile, the US doesn't seem to
give a shit what happens here now like this is
kind of not that it by the administration was doing
very much either, but at least we had USAID and
USIP was very invested in MEMR and actually did a
really good job of kind of almost like being the
Foreign Affairs not branch, but they explained the revolution to
(15:13):
the world, like whenever a journalist wanted to understand the
revolution in Memr, it was USIP they went to. Obviously,
all the contents that have a USIP have now been doged,
which is a shame. So despite the ceasefire, right I said,
they fired on these Chinese troops, the Hunter has in
fact not stop bombing earthquake struck areas since the earthquake
(15:35):
madele APDF who I'm in contact with the other revolutionary
forces in the area that was most affected by the
earthquake on April seventh, told me that they were aware
of ten strikes in their area of operations since the earthquake.
Three months old baby and a ten year old child
were killed in an air raid on Niicar village and
Papun township that was in Corrent State. On April tenth,
(15:57):
they bombed a school and something that the and likes
to do a lot that They dropped two five hundred
pound bombs on a food court. They then circled back
and dropped another bomb on the people responding to and
giving aid to the people they'd initially bombed in the
food court by food court here, Just to clarify, I'm
not talking about like at the shopping mall. I'm talking
about like a market where people can buy like prepared food. Right.
(16:21):
They've killed the best I can collate from various sources,
at least seventy two people and injured about one hundred
people in addition to thousands who died after the earthquake.
There are also reports that hunter quote unquote recruiters here
are engaging in forced conscription in the disaster zone. I
(16:42):
read of at least one person who was on a
search and rescue team, like they were a trained search
and rescue volunteer, right, so they were moving rebel to
rescue people, and they were forcibly conscripted while they were
doing that. Obviously, that's had a chilling effect on people
going out to help others. Right, what the Hunter is
not doing is rescuing its citizens. The military is detested
(17:05):
in most of me and mar even in the areas
that it controls, and its failure to even try and
track people rescued on the rubber won't help this. There
was a video that went viral recently of Hunter troops
literally a line of soldiers rescuing bricks. They've gone to
a collapsed building and they're inspecting the bricks to see
if the bricks a whole, and then passing them down
the lines and stacking them up.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Don't worry. The bricks are safe.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, the bricks are safe. The people are not, which
just like it was genuinely like infuriating to see it,
and I can't imagine for people who have lost family
members how that must feel. Even rescue workers, like I said,
have been forcibly conscripted. Equality MEANMA has noted more than
one hundred cases of force conscriptions since the earthquake. So
(17:49):
Meama has a conscription rule right, a law, so anyone
men and now women between certain ages can be forcibly
conscripted into the Hunter's army.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
So they're just finding people displaced from the earthquake and
forcing now.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, it's people who have been hiding in their homes
right who now don't have homes to hide it, yeah,
or people who came out in order to save their
neighbors and now now they're forcing them to be to
fight for them, just as as they did with cyclone Nagis.
They've also delayed and in cases blocked AID. A team
came from France to assist in a search and rescue.
(18:21):
They spent twenty four hours sitting in an airport waiting
for their visa to be approved, and then they spent
one day working in search and rescue efforts before being
told that search and rescue efforts had now finished and
they were to go home. So they traveled around the
entire world and didn't save a single life abundance it's great,
presumably because the hunter wanted to plicate China. A Taiwanese
(18:45):
team was straight up refused entry into Meenmar. Taiwan had
a search and rescue team that they were willing to
say zend who could have saved yourble lives, and that
they weren't allowed to enter. All tourist visas have been suspended,
so it's not like the Hunter is like overwhelmed with
visa applications, but they're not allowing certain rescue teams to
enter from countries. I guess they're not politically aligned with
This kind of horrific indifference to human suffering has characterized
(19:07):
a toutmudor for decades, and it's really unlikely to change.
As it grows even more desperate and it loses even
more territory, it's just going to clamp down harder and
harder on its people. The one in the liberated areas.
Aid is being mobilized using the mutual aid structures which
you've existed for decades. In the absence of the state,
in significant and growing parts of ME and MA, people
are relying on each other instead of the government for aid,
(19:30):
and that has its benefits, right, Like people have been
out rescuing people from the rebel, but they're also desperately
short of resources. I spoke to mandal APDF rescue team
at the first week of April and they literally sent
me a They have a notebook of a list of
like we've run out of gorz, we've run out of
towny ks, we've run out of adhesive dressings, we've run
(19:51):
out of elastic bandages, right, they're like the little nuts
and bolts of saving people's lives they run out of.
We did a fund raising campaign for them through behind
the Bus. We raised nearly two thousand dollars, which is great.
So they're restocking their supplies, which is fantastic, But that's
just one township. All across the country, people are struggling
for the basic supplies that they need to save lives.
(20:13):
The military has also blocked aid and medicine from entering
their areas. Right, so the military controls a lot of
roadblocks and it uses its control of those roadblocks to
stop AIDA medicine. Often it's kind of hoarding it in
the capital city, which is Napidor. People not familiar and
Napidor is a city that they've couldn't have built for
itself to govern from, I mean seat of kings. Also
(20:33):
in Napidor right now is the US AID agency Samaritans Purse.
Are you familiar with Samaritans perse keratin?
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I don't think so. It sounds vaguely familiar, but all
these humanitarian organizations all have like the same like four
words that they shuffle around in different ways.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, Samaritans perse perhaps the most famous
for being run by Franklin Graham.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Okay, yes, the idea what this is and who this is?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yes, yeah, having all their volunteers sign like a statement
of faith, and being extremely homophobic. For some reason, Samaritans
Persons establishing a field hospital in Napi door right now.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
They're going to force people to convert to Evangelical Christianity
before they give services like they do in some.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Cases, yeah, or just leave them like they did in
Afghanistan if they're not Christian. I cannot work out for
the life of me what the fuck they're doing, because
like the Hunter has made a consistent policy of bombing
Christians in me Emma. Right in Karen and Karini State,
there are a lot of Christian people. On Christmas Day,
the Hunter bombed people going to services because it knew
(21:37):
that Christians would be going to services at churches. Right
the Kareni Christians this year I saw celebrated Christmas in
caves because they were so afraid of being bombed. Right, Like,
I have no idea what logical leap you have to make?
Are yeah, it's and they're like they're not even at
the Insagang. The only people. The only international aida aware
(22:00):
of that was able to make it to Sagang was
a Malaysian team who were able to save some lives. Unfortunately,
there were really strong rains this week and that made
all the collapse structures even more unstable. And the Malaysian
team I saw have now returned home. We're going to
take another ad break here and when we come back,
we will talk about what you can do t help.
(22:30):
All right, and we're back first, I want to, I
guess have some good news. Despite everything. The military has
still been taking massive losses. The all Burma students Democratic
Front captured remaining hunter positions in Indoor. They're almost Democratic
Front are a group that's been around since nineteen eighty eight, right,
and they have armed up and re entered the revolution
(22:52):
since twenty twenty one. One of the things that they
captured on Monday was a underground Japanese field hospital from
World War II, which I guess had been like entrench position.
I guess they're not covered technically by the ceasefire, but
there was a unit under the National Uniti government's command
that operated with them, and from what I understand, this
(23:14):
began as a defensive action. They'd surrounded the Hunter. I
think it's called Japan Cave Hill. They'd surrounded them on
Japan Cave Hill for a long time and then the Hunter,
obviously seeing the earthquake and everything thereafter, decided that now
was the time for them to break out of this circlement.
They did not break out, They took a fat l
and as a result, they've all been captured now. Meanwhile,
(23:36):
in chin Land, if people haven't listened to the episode,
I did a couple of weeks ago with a Zad
from the Anti Fashis Internationalists Front. I was just going
back and listening to that to understand chin Land. But
the AIF and a lot of their allied forces from
a Chinland Defense Force and a chin Brotherhood had a
significant victory in capturing the rest of the Hunter's positions
in Flam last week. And I think it's very much
(23:59):
like on the table that we will see the whole
of chin Land liberated in the next few months or
by the end of the year, which would be great
to see. So people are wondering, like what they can
do to help, right, And I think it's a very
valid question because I saw today that the UN was
meeting with the Hunter in NAPI door and I just
(24:21):
have no faith that any money that goes to the
Hunter is going to get to people who need it.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Yeah, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
You cannot, like they want them to die that I
don't know, they're like evil why yeah, yeah, they are
literally genocide or they have done a genocide like that
has been prosecuted international Criminal court. Like, I have no
understanding why people continue to like international organizations continue to
(24:48):
funnel money to them other than because like they have
a status quo bias. I guess, so don't be doing that.
But there are groups who are making a really big difference.
And one of them that I wanted to highlight, and
Robert and I were very familiar with their work from
the last time that we were over reporting is Community
Partists International. CPI are really cool because they work by
(25:11):
empowering members of the local community to be health volunteers,
as opposed to like dropping in some like doctors from America,
right or doctors from the United Kingdom or whatever, and
then when those people leave, they take their skills with them.
CPI the thing is to educate folks within the community
so that they can take care of one another. And
(25:32):
I sor that CPI has a matching donations thing right now,
which is pretty cool. So like if you donate, someone
else will match your donation and that will double the
amount that you receive otherwise. I will provide a list
of mutual aid funds that have been shared with me.
Most of them are like GoFundMe or things like that.
(25:53):
I'll put it all in the show description. They've all
been vetted, and like I know, people are sometimes relucted
to give to go fundmes and they'd rather give to
like a five oh one C three or an organization
which has a little bit more I guess, like online presence.
In this case, you have to understand that like a
lot of orgs just aren't operating in the liberated areas.
(26:14):
The two that I'm aware of CPI and Free Burma
Ranges right I spoke to Dave from Free Burma Ranges.
They're trying to get to as many people as it
can as well. That would be another great place to donate.
And I would include a list of vetted gofundmes if
you want to have a look through those and see
if any of them kind of speaks to you more,
you can do that too. What this will mean for
(26:35):
the future of Memma. We don't know yet, right, We
have really no sense of how many people have died,
of what it's done to the Hunter's ability to control
those areas. But until the Revolution has a way to
stop planes bombing people, we will continue to see the
same dynamic, right of the Hunter losing terrain on the ground,
(26:59):
pulling back its soldiers and then bombing civilians in the
areas that it's lost. That is its game plan. It's
continuing to get more drones from China. It's getting aircraft,
munitions and jet fuel from China. Until there is an
embargo on jet fuel and munitions to the Hunter, then
(27:19):
we will see this same pattern continue, Right, they lose terrain,
they bomb a school, they lose terrain, they bomb a hospital.
It's the same stuff that Israel's doing, and they've of
course previously been armed by Israel as well. But we
don't see as much solidarity for the people at Burma.
If you want to stay in touch with what's happening
(27:40):
on the ground, I think the Irawiti I Double r
a Wa DDY does a really good job of doing
daily summaries right now, so I would suggest checking out
what's happening there, and of course we'll keep you updated
on developments in the Spring Revolution as they come.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
It Could Happen Here is a product of cool Zone Media.
For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website
coolzonmedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can
now find sources for it could Happen Here, listed directly
in episode descriptions. Thanks for listening.
It Could Happen Here News
Hosts And Creators
Robert Evans
Garrison Davis
James Stout
Show Links
AboutPopular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com