September 2, 2025 • 52 mins
Garrison and Mia discuss the evolution of liberal conspiracy theories, and why people believe the Trump assassination was staged or that Elon Musk stole the 2024 election.
Sources:
https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/08/04/harris-nsa-audit-2024-election/
https://www.wired.com/story/election-denial-conspiracy-theories-x-left-blueanon/
https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/americans-accept-election-results-even-if-some-are-unhappy-outcome
https://www.reddit.com/r/houstonwade/comments/1gnwsv0/they_cheated/
https://theplotagainstamerica.com/
https://www.cip.uw.edu/2024/11/18/conspiracy-theory-starlink-election-results/
https://www.cjr.org/the_media_today/trump_assassination_attempt_online_conspiracy_theories_musk.php
https://pro.morningconsult.com/analysis/trump-assassination-attempt-polling
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Al Zone Media.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Garrison takes a puff of their clove cigarette as slow
jazz plays in the background. These sites say what they
used to be. I've been digging into liberal conspiracy theories.
That is, they're all the rage where the sky is
blue and the book is face. These libs think old
(00:31):
Donnie Jay's close call in Pennsylvania was a false flag,
that the South African Musk stole the election, and that
the Park Service has gone rogue, waging an insurgent information
warfare against this corrupt administration, sending out coded messages on
social media. It's called blue and on dohal and it's
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been making me blue. This is it could happen here.
I'm Davis. I'm joined by Mio Wong for our blue
on on episode Finally.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I never thought. I never thought I would have been
nostalgic for the days where I was arguing with isis
on Twitter. But increasingly increasingly I am looking back at
that as the golden age the Internet. We were merely dealing.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
No, it's it's only gotten.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
More stupid right wing terroristualization.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It's it's only gonna get more stupid from here.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Oh yeah, no, this is this is the least stupid.
It's going to be for at least fifty years.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
And this is the thing that I realized what doing
my research for this bloon On episode, is that usually
conspiracy research is kind of fun. I have a good
time looking into conspiracy theories. I like going to conspiracy conventions.
I get joy out of this, almost no joy. Looking
into liberal conspiracy theories really boring and kind of sad.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
So that's the intro for this episode, Garrison, can I
interest you in some of the bespoke shit, none of
none of the none of this twenty twenty four elections stolen?
Can I Can I interest you in some two thousand
and four Iowa vote total?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Stay? Oh yeah, absolutely, We'll get to that much. We'll
get to that in our last section. Because yeah, there
has been liberal election done out in the past, not
at the same I think scale it exists at now,
but yes, it certainly has existed before. And you know,
for a while, conspiracy theories were like a bipartisan or
at least like a by directional political pastime, like old
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conspiracy magazines were not as partisan as conspiracy theories has
seemed today. Think of like you know, JFK. Everyone gets
to have fun with JFK except for me. I don't
have any fun with that. And conspiracy culture used to
like crossover between hippie environmentalism, anti semitism, anti corporatism, anti authoritarianism.
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All these things exist both on the far right and
the far left. There was a lot of meshing between
different different polarities of conspiracy theory. And I think politics
on the fringe are slightly more susceptible to conspiratorial thinking.
And if if you spend an amount of time and like,
you know, the communist left, you'll see that they have
their fair share of conspiracy theories or even just a
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conspiratorial way of understanding the world.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
They all think that we work for the CIA.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, stuff about the CIA and NATO, all kinds of stuff.
And though like anti vaccine and nine to eleven trutherism
were initially more liberal aligned conspiracy theories, in the Obama years,
conspiracy culture coalesced around the growing far right. Look at
people like Glenn Beck and the slide of Alex Jones
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into the fascist right. Case in point Obama, Birtherism and
all this stuff leads to Donald Trump and QAnon. As
of late, liberals have had a conception that as the
more rational of the two political alignments, they were almost
naturally immune to conspiratorial thinking. Meanwhile, attacks on consensus, reality,
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fractured information streams, and any larger collective sense of what's
real and what isn't started to slip away from everyone.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, your camera's flashing.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
They're trying to silence me. They're trying to I'm getting
too close to the truth.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
He legitimately looked like a fucking like you're being taken
off the air in a cyberpunk pirate radios taken my.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Cat started to unflug my camera rehit.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Although my cat is named Theodore Katzinski and Kazinsky was
a CIA operative who got mk ultra, so you never know.
The right wings trailblazing of political unreality allowed space for
liberals to dip their toes into the conspiratorial mindset again,
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but maybe without even realizing that's what they were doing.
Exaggerations of Russia Gate was one of the first Trump
era liberal experiments with conspiracy theories, the idea that Russia
not only engaged in hacking on a social media disformation
campaign to influence the twenty sixteen election, but that Donald
Trump himself colluded with Russia to get himself elected and
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might even be a Russian asset. And even though those
allegations were investigated and not concretely proven, the conspiratorial churn continued,
emboldened by the media environment that the right has created.
As QAnon accelerated during the second half of Trump's first term,
so did the decline of American consensus reality, culminating in
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the Stop the Steel movement in January sixth, which were
explosive manifestations of Internet conspiracism which erupted in the physical world.
A severe fracturing of reality took place. Any conception of
a shared political reality seemed so far gone, and the
effects of this loss aren't just contained to Republicans, but
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this also enables liberals and people on the left by
opening up space for small reality tunnels to form regardless
of political ideology. The siloing of information channels makes it
almost impossible to actually form a consensus reality as the
United States has embraced its political cafe. As everything gets
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more absurd, what loses is political mundanity. Liberals and the
left were almost destined to become more conspiratorial in this
current moment, and you can even look at how newsome
is like copying Trump's posting strategies, and even how people
like me memify and replicate Trump phrases. Many such cases,
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we were all going to be pulled into this at
a certain point because it's just more interesting. I'm going
to quote from one of MIA's favorite books, the CCRU
quote God.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
No.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Conspiracy fictions are spun out of an all encompassing narrative
that can't possibly be falsified, because they want you to
believe in their non existence. To attempt to refute such
narratives is to be drawn into a tedious double game.
One either has to embrace an arbitrary and outrageous cosmic
plot in which everything is being run by Jews, Masons,
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the Illuminati, the CIA, Microsoft, or Satan, or alternatively advocate
submission to the most mundane construction of quotidian reality, dismissing
the hyperstitional chaos that operates behind the screens. This is
why atheism is usually so boring. Both conspiracy and common
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sense the normal reality script depend on the dialectical side
of the double game, on reflective twins belief and unbelief,
but disbelief is merely the negative complement of belief. Unquote,
belief is so much stronger because disbelief is so much
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more boring. It only exists in comparison to belief in something.
I think this is why everyone has this urge to
get more conspiratorial. And like American specifically, our whole country
is based on conspiracy theory, like the Masons are such
a core part of our national identity.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I fucking went down that tunnle. I went down the
like if you asked me to start talking about politics
in late nineteen seventies early nineteen eighties Italy, I could
start talking about how Italy was run by a rogue
Masonic lodge. So that actually is true. If you google
propaganda due you will you will find out this was
actually This was on the front page of the New
York Times. It was to be fair to the basis,
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this was a rogue Masonic lodge. They had been expelled
from the Masons for being assholes.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
But this is true.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
All conspiracies are true, but only about nineteen seventies Italy.
But it's more interesting, right, like it it's so much
more interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, it is more interesting, and it makes it really
hard to disprove conspiracy theories. When the act of disproving.
It makes it feel like you're submitting to some all
controlling authority, and people people feel like they're losing, like
they're they And that idea of submission is why people
get so pulled into conspiracy theories because they think that
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believing in conspiracy theories is itself almost a form of
resistance against you know, quote unquote them.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yeah, which is which which is very funny because the
actual operation of conspiracy is precisely the other way around.
Like conspiracies had been encouraged by the government, by governments
for ever, Like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion
were like an op by the fucking czars, like like
this is this, like this this, this is this was
this was literally a Russian police operation, right, But all
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of these people now believe that they're like, oh, I'm
like the anti systemic person because I fell for this
like anti Semitic police operation. But it's yeah, it's a
really powerful force.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
The US government has intentionally stoked UFO conspiracy theories for
eighty years.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, because it covers up the thing. You know, if
you want to go conspiratory about it, is because it
covers up the thing they're actually doing, which is like
mundane but horrifying weapons testing shit.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Like Now, the CCRU proposes that quote unquote, unbelief might
be the way out of this cycle by building a
plane of potentiality where the annihilation of judgment converges with
real cosmic indeterminacy. I myself try to embrace an unbelief
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viewpoint for a lot of things, but I think that
only gets you so far, and might also encourage some
of these same problems in a larger scale. Because America
has now gotten to the point of unbelief, especially in
regards to QAnon, We've outgrown the need for QAnon because
everything is QAnon Now. Politics are about determining who is
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and isn't a pedophile. Immigrants are trafficking children. Donald Trump
is on the Epstein List, which both doesn't exist and
was invented by Democrats. Historical events are staged. Every election
was now stolen by the side who won. DHS is
posting coded messages on the Internet. The FBI and police
are faking crime statistics. Everything Trump does is a distraction
from whatever the previous thing Trump did, which itself was
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a distraction from whatever the previous thing Trump did. So
on and so forth. This is just what American politics
are now. And while Trump's numerous connections to Epstein are
long documented and he appears in Epstein FBI investigation files,
discussions around it can feel very the storm is coming.
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The pedu elite are always just about to be arrested
and removed from office. I like to see old Donnie J.
Wiggle's way out of this jam. The logic of QAnon
has perforated almost every aspect of American politics. On Blue Sky,
there is this conspiratorial mantra gaining traction among liberals. But
he wasn't shot, he didn't win. He's on the list.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Don't like that.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Oh no, that's what they believe. Do you know what
isn't a conspiracy theory? Maya that advertisement is designed to
drive consumer demand repledged capitalism by replacing your desires. Not
a conspiracy theory. That's just the good old truth. Listen
to these ads. All right, we're back. As QAnon itself
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became a uber conspiracy theory overtime liking together a large
collection of historical and contemporary conspiracy theories into one overarching story.
Bluin On does not just refer to a single conspiracy theory,
but rather as a label that can be applied to
a general assortment of theories or conspiratorial thinking held by
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contemporary liberals and Democratic voters. I myself used a version
of this term all the way back in January of
twenty twenty one for a since removed YouTube video due
to threats of violence, in which I used the word
blue QAnon to describe Portland liberals who believed that Russia
was staging Antifa protests to make liberals look bad after
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Biden's election victory, and some of the banners used in
this video apparently had threats to the president of the
United States, so YouTube took down the video. Unfortunately, even
though the video was just outlining liberal conspiracy theories about
this protest, thinking that you know, Russia probably made this banner, the.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Censorship regime continues apace.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Around this time twenty twenty one, the term blew and
on was mostly used to refer to Trump Russia conspiracy theories,
but there were a whole bunch of other liberal conspiracy
theories in this era, like how palettes of bricks were
being mysteriously dropped off at protests, and though I will
say this conspiracy theory was used by both people on
the right as well as some centrist liberals.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah, and I think this is actually you know, you
were talking about how there is this like QAnon, like
this sort of moment of break with consensus reality, And
I think the twenty twenty uprising was one of the
most the single most important events in this entire process massively. So, yeah,
because the twenty twenty uprising was a systemic challenge to
both the liberal and the Republican establishment right because if
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its central premise is true that the United States is
a structurally racist state, right, that is, is based on
the oppression of black people, then you can't continue to
maintain the state. And also simultaneously, the thing that was
incredibly threatening was that people were actually willing to go
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out and fight the police over this. And on the right,
this obviously causes massive reality fraction because they have to
grapple with the fact that like most of the country
was fine with burning a police stationed down or were
they right? Yeah, this is like oh no, there was
this was this was act. This whole thing was actually
like a plan by like Antifa democrats and like Pritzker's billionaire,
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like the Jewish billionaire soorro Jewish billionaires.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
It was actually the Boogaloo Boys who planned the whole
thing and burned down the Third Precinct.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, and this is this is a very very common
This became the liberal main line on the birding of
the Third Precinct was that it was a false flag
by like the Boogloo Boy People don't remember the Boogloo.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Bar right, Boogaloo Boys.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, it was like they were like this very very
weird race war fashion trying to encourage a new civil
yes a word weird fascist group, but like that became
the liberal main line because they had to find a
way to explain the fact that the people who were
you know, like a lot of people who are normally
supposed to be their base decided instead of doing their
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sort of just like vote for the president and like
vote for the Democratic president and like non violently and
passively do nothing, people went and fought the police from
of a year and this caused this massive fracturing where
people had to believe it instead of there just being
construction sites and people taking bricks from construction sites, as
people have been doing for literally since the first brick
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was made, people have been taking them and throwing them
at enemy authorities, right.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Like stone Wall was a false flag.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah, right, because the actual power of that uprising was
so dangerous to the fundamental liberal conceptions of reality in
the world, and that like the marginalized and oppressed people
who who they sort of planned to represent, would take
it into their own hands. The idea that yeah, the
state is structurally racist and so it has to be resisted.
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That caused people to just have to create these like
just pure reality tunnels of like, oh no, actually, any
attempt to fight the police is a false flag that
the police want to do. Or the burning of the
Third Precinct was actually like the fascist attempting to provoke people,
and that the state actually wants you to fight it
because if you fight the state, then the state wins.
And like this is one of the earth reality tunnels
that creates the sort of conspiratorial mindset. We're like the
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Boglue boys at the Third Preacing. That's not just a
thing from like you know, online posters. That became the
main line of the Democratic Party because they also had
to contain the uprising and from there and once once
that's the accepted narrative of like the Democrats. Then this
peer reality tunnel conspiracy shit is now just baked in
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to the very core of liberalism as it attempts to
recuperate and defeat the energies that were unleashed by twenty twenty.
And that's how we're here, that's a large part of it.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Flash Forwarding a few years during the first half of
twenty twenty four, especially in and around Biden's disastrous debate performance,
the blue and on term begun being used to refer
to a collection of theories that a secret cabal of
deep state elites, the news media, high ranking Democrats, and
Republicans were targeting Biden to sabotage his presidency to make
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him lose the election.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
There's no such thing as getting old. There is simply
being sabotaged by q cards and camera lighting positions.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Now, the bluenon term here is sort of a misnomer
because like at this point, like Russia Gate and QAnon
had very little in common. Like one viewed Trump as
the Messiah, the other viewed him as basically, you know,
an anti christ slash Russian asset. In the wake of
the Trump assassination, Philip Bump penned a Washington Post article
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declaring quote QAnon and blue and on rhyme. The similarities
end there, and I have sympathies for this viewpoint, especially
in the wake of like January sixth, Right, Blunon doesn't
have satanic wayfair child trafficking, Yeah, but maybe it doesn't
need to. No, In conspiracy theories, it's not just about
the substance of the beliefs held, but the function and
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methodology of the beliefs. In the past year, Blunon's function
and methodology have started to parallel q Andon's more and more,
which leads us to the event that really opened up
operating space for the mainstreaming of the liberal conspiracy theories,
the attempted assassination of one Donald Trump. Americans are particularly
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susceptible to assassination conspiracy theories. It has kind of been
woven into our national identity now. Of course, Republicans, including
elected representatives, developed their own fair share of theories about
the attempted assassination of Donald Trump. But that's another episode.
Here's a viral Facebook video, Remember Facebook, No.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
It's not that bad.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Take a look at what happened.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Fake a shit man stage, fake a shit bo ain't
no bullets plying in that. You know what I'm saying,
wan thing about a shootout. Soon a shootout, you will
see bullets, class stuff getting piled though Oh I ain't
never going on, never getting hit, nothing getting piled though
he definitely ain't get hit. He faked it all. The
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whole dang is fake stage when grid bro just I
didn't play, y'all, They gonna make y'all vote on now
if the dump you feel me? Oh, y'all, oh he oh,
he been shot in they'll all going on to vote
on y'all.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Some fucking clowns.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Buh.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
The word staged spiked in use by almost four thousand
percent on Twitter, according to the misinformation tracker NewsGuard, appearing
three hundred thousand times the day of and after the shooting.
The term inside job also rose on social media, up
by over three thousand percent, with bots and inauthentic accounts
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adding to this. Chaos and Israeli disinfo tech firm Cybra
found that forty five percent of accounts using hashtags like
fake assassination and staged shooting were inauthentic. Within a day,
a post on x questioning the authenticity of the event
a gained over fifty thousand likes. Quote, great camera angle,
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great quality. No Secret Service agent in front of his
head covering the wound, conveniently placed US flag unquote. Another
got nearly fifty thousand likes, asking users to quote, raise
your hand and repost if you think this was staged.
There was a flood of posts, earning thousands of likes
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and millions of alleged views, which questioned why Trump was
able to or allowed to stand above the crowd after
being shot, yelling fight, fight, fight, risking getting shot again.
And while it could have been possible that there was
a second shooter, Trump was only able to stand back
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up after it was confirmed that Crooks was killed. You
can hear it in the video Shoot her Down, Shoot
Her Down. Secret Service was already aware of Crook's position
prior to the shooting and had not located any other
possible shooters. But reality does not matter here. I'm going
to play a short clip from a YouTube video which
was uploaded just a month ago with over eighty five
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thousand views, explaining why someone feels it really easy to
believe in this conspiracy.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
Now, ladies and gentlemen, I normally don't go down conspiracy holes.
I don't, but we know MAGA does. MAGA has gone
down so many conspiracy holes and brought it to science
that We've got people not giving their kids vaccine. We've
seen measles rising in Texas. We had people not wanting
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to get into COVID. We had quarterbacks telling people to
take ivermectin. We had people saying take fucking horse traink
orizers to get rid of COVID. And so now I
think I've earned opportunity to go down a rabbit hole.
This video was someone who was right there at the
Trump rally, and there can tending that this whole thing
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is made up, which a lot of us felt like
it was anyway, because we do know that Trump he's
not afraid to fool around and shall we say reality
or entertainment TV. We know he's not afraid to do that.
And I'll show you an example of that in a minute.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
What example do you think he's going to show a
WWE thing? It is a WWE thing.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I remember there was so much WWE like tying shit
with this.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Well we'll get to that in this sect. But I
find this explanation of why this person feels almost allowed
to believe the conspiracy theory is now super interesting. It
is specifically because the right has been so willing to
embrace conspiracism that now it feels like it's fair game
for liberals to do it as well. And this guy
is just almost almost acknowledging this fact. He's kind of
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like working his way to by an entire thesis here
with maybe without realizing it.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
This guy sponsored by an AI company, just just to
make this absolutely perfect. Great stuff, great stuff happening in
this in the sphere of our political discourse. We love
to see it.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
But yes, based on the blood severed across Trump's face
after he went on the ground, people postulated that Trump
was hiding a razor blade in his sleeve w w
E style to purposefully cut his face to make it
look like he was shot.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, Donald Trump bladed himself. What are we doing here?
Speaker 7 (24:30):
So should we believe that faking getting shot is beyond them?
Why would we believe that when this is still Trump
that once was trained by the ww whatn't those some
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convincing ass right hands he just gave vincement Man, No, those.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
Were the least convincing right hands I've ever seen, and
I have throw a button not for me.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
You know what, I think We've saw this whole assassination
thing right here. I'm like, this stuff doesn't even warrant debunking.
Debunking is useless, right Yeah. All of these conspiracy theories
rest on the fact that rally attendees were hospitalized with
gunshot wounds and two people died as a sacrifice to
sell this event, and that the Biden era Secret Service
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helped facilitate this whole operation. I watched YouTube videos explaining
that even if bullets were fired and people at the
rally were hitt and killed, though just not Trump, the
actual footage of the shooting is actually ai because the
number of targets hit don't match the number of shots
heard in the video, and people in the crowd suddenly
disappear once shots are fired, as in people get down
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low on the ground to avoid getting hit. As for
the number of shots hit versus shots fired, these videos
seem to not realize that bullets travel through t objects,
like say Donald Trump's.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Ear being the point of a bullet.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Also, this was actually Trump loyalist police firing into the
crowd as a part of this stage operation, not not
Thomas Crooks. After the shooting, a political advisor to Democratic
donor and LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman named Dimitri Melhorn sent
an email proposing that the shooting may have been quote
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encouraged and maybe even staged so Trump could get the
photos and benefit from the backlash unquote. The next day,
Melhorn regretted and apologized for sending the email, and think
about it. While one person was lined up perfectly to
get the now historic photo, think of how many other
professional photographers at the rally weren't so lucky. There's not
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just one photographer at the event, there's lots, and yeah,
one person got a really compelling shot.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
It's a campaign event. There's paid photographers there. This is
what I get paid event is Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
There was a flag that was stayed because it was
a campaign event.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Going insane.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
According to a pull from Morning Consult, roughly one in
five voters said that they found it credible that the
shooting was staged and not intended to kill Trump, including
one third of at the time Biden's supporters, thirty three
percent of Biden supporters, and twelve percent of those who
back Trump, which is really funny to me.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
That's actually really funny.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
It was an inside job. Good job, guys, good job.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
The mega Trump assassination. Truthers of the majority of voters,
though sixty two percent, said that the unsubstantiated notion is
not credible. A statement I've seen from both the conspiratorial
left and the right is that we know all about
say Luigi Mangioni or this latest school shooter, but still
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know nothing about the Trump assassination. And this just isn't true.
We actually know a lot about Thomas Crooks. Now, just
because you haven't read about it doesn't mean that we
don't know. I'll link to a recent New York Times
article looking into his online footprint. We know a lot
about this guy, yep. But based on the conception that
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this failed assassination attempt would in the end helped Trump
get elected, some people chose to just reject the event entirely.
And yeah, it was surreal, a warped manifestation of millions
of people's dream And when things happen that challenge expectations
or are just plain weird, some people reject that reality
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and substitute to their own alternate realities, which make more
sense to them. If a near miss event like this
would help Trump, then it must be Trump's doing. Do
you know what Trump has no control over?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
It's so not true that he doesn't have control of
these products and services. We have good report I got
is his Increasingly.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
The tariffs aren't real, be a. I won't believe the
tariffs until I see them with my own two eyes.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
I'm gonna I'm going to walk you to the port
of LA. Are gonna go look at the tariffs together?
Why inside?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
So here's the ads. All right, we're back. You can't
talk about liberal conspiracy theories without the most blatant example
of some libs taking a page right out of the megaplaybook.
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Twenty twenty four election denial God another instance of Trump
and QAnon trailblazing something that used to be on the
political fringe and normalizing it as acceptable political discourse. Early on,
after Trump was declared the projected winner, liberals questioned why
there were seemingly twenty million missing Democratic votes from the
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expected twenty twenty four totals, pointing to the higher numbers
than twenty twenty forgetting that vote totals were still being
counted and in the end, there were only three million
fewer votes this election, which is extremely reasonable for an election.
According to NewsGuard by Wednesday morning after the election, Trump
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cheated was trending on Twitter with nearly one hundred thousand
mentions since midnight. I'll read a few of these viral
tweets quote, I hold a master's degree in political science.
I don't yet understand these results, and I don't pretend to.
I'm not into conspiracy, but I'd like to know. Did
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millions across Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan really split their vote? Did
millions of Democratic voters really stay home? And the answer
is yes, yes they did.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
That is what happened. You figured it out.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
People did split their vote, and yeah, lots of people
were not compelled to vote for Harris and stayed home. Congratulations,
you stumbled across the reality.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Another person remarked, quote, I hold a master's again. I
love all these people prefacing this by saying that they
have degrees.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
And I want to say two things about the degree thing.
One eighty percent of the time when someone starts doing
what are these things, you can go back and find
different degrees they pretended have. Two. I have been around
people who get master's degrees in political science. We are
not talking about the cream of the intellectual crop here like,
this is a discipline that is like economics for people
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who like or even worse at the chain rule than economists.
Like what are we doing here?
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Quote?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I hold a master's and political science with a minor
in statistics, and I can't make sense of this. Human
nature had to completely upend itself for this to happen.
Swing states voting straight blue down the ballot except for
the top. Nah, that's not what people do, and yet
it is what happened.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Average political science. This is hinged for them, so very quickly.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Liberals demanded recounts and court challenges, begging that Kamala Harris
take this to court, with misinformation spreading that she was
planning said court challenges. Others alleged that Elon Musk hacked
voting machines. According to a report from the University of Washington,
over a five day period, there were hundreds of thousands
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of tweets and retweets about how Elon Musk, working with
Trump and sometimes with Putin, used Starlink satellites to steal
the election, perhaps by intercepting then changing vote totals through
the Internet. Despite most voting machines not being connected to
the Internet.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
No, and the actual thing that he did was like
going to places and saying, I'll give you a million
dollars if you vote for this election, one of you
will win. Like that's like the actual thing that he did,
which is so blatantly obvious.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
And like basic, like ground game targeting and swing states, Like, yeah,
they mobilized a shit ton of money. Quote I'm hearing
today that Elon's software Starship is the software that handled
all the swing state ballots. If indeed this is true,
this is clearly a conflict of interest and another reason
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why swing states need investigations. Well, good news, this isn't
indeed true.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
You made this up.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
This is fake.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
It's not just Twitter though.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
On Meta's Twitter alternative threads, there was a hotbed of
election denile, with posts like this spreading on the platform
and beyond to places like Reddit. Quote Trump cheats at
everything in life. Putin interfered in the past three elections.
Musk and Trump talked to Putin a lot. Musk's Starlink
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uploaded votes in swing states. Swing state voters went DEM
down ballot, but Trump at the top. Unlikely Starlink satellites explode,
destroying evidence quote. This is referencing a conspiracy theory from
the time that based on an event on November tenth
where a Starlink satellite re entered orbit and blew up,
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as Elon Musk's technology is known to do. This was
itself proof that he was blowing up his satellites on
purpose to conceal evidence that Starlink was used to alter
election results. SpaceX regularly retires satellites which then slowly fall
to Earth and blow up.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
This is ordinary practice.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
This particular satellite, which exploded on November tenth was decommissioned
back in August. This has nothing to do with the election. Still,
there were viral tweets calling for a quote unquote forensic
investigation and accounts like your n on News, an account
pretending to be affiliated with the hacker group Anonymous, which
is a real vector point of left wing conspiratorial thinking.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
I'm going to put a note here, Butz says that
the history of relationship if your n on News is
very compl this is not. This is not a definitive
statement on it. Please don't get mad at us. It's
a it's a fucking mess. It's a fucking mess. That's
that's what I'm gonna say about it, that guy sucks shit.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
They've been spreading a lot of election misinformation news, especially
in November.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Some strange statements from Trump and Elon have fueled doubts
about election integrity. You can just change one line of code,
Elon stated about the code on electronic voting machines. I
don't need more votes. I already have votes, Trump stated repeatedly,
So why not take a look.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Unquote.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
This alleged quote from Elon cannot be sourced at all.
The full version of it is quote if you want
to steal an election, all you have to do is
change one line of code unquote. I have tried so
hard to find the original source for this quote. I cannot.
It is just liberals saying Elon said this. It may
have been something said, I cannot find it. Even if
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it is something he said. There's not evidence that he
stole the election, no at all.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
He does this like that.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
There's there's a whole conspiracy on the left that thinks
that Elon Musk was behind the coup in Bolivia, which
was like something I was accepted by Evo back when
he was in the NIS. Like in Bolivia, because it
was like politically convenient for everyone involved to believe that
like Elon Musk did this coup in Bolivia over like
lithium prices, when the actual reality was it was done
by a bunch of Bolivia agrobarons. But people just believe
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this shit, and and and and Elon will just play
into it, even like because I don't he probably didn't
say that, but like even if he did, like he
did say the ship that he did the coup in Bolivia,
but like he didn't, he objectively didn't LOLXD like I
I okay, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not going to
get into the price history of of lithium here and
how there was a fucking market glut at that point,
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which is the exact opposite thing you would want there
to be if you're trying to steal lithius.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Like it's nonsense.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
So people just leave this ship because it fits, it
fits their version of reality. And the right is really
happy to sort of play into this because they just
play around with conspiracies.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
And this line from Trump is just breaking about having
a lot of projected votes already, That's all it is. Yeah,
the day before Inauguration day, people alleged that Trump may
have accidentally admitted to stealing the election in one of
his speeches.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Oh my fucking god, let's take a look.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Trump just told them himself.
Speaker 9 (37:24):
He just credited Elon Musk's knowledge of how voting machines
work for his victory in Pennsylvania. He said this during
his victory rally in Washington, d C. The night before
the alleged inauguration. Let's listen to the audio.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
And then he.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Journeyed to Pennsylvania, where he spent like a month and
a half campaigning for me in Pennsylvania. And he's a
popular guy, and he was very effective, and he knows
those computers better than anybody, all those computers, those vote
counting computers, and we ended up Pennsylvania like in a landslide,
so that it was pretty good.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
He was pretty good.
Speaker 7 (38:04):
So thank you to Elon.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
That is from a very popular TikToker. This particular video
has twenty thousand likes. I can't even find how many
views it has, but there's hundreds of comments talking about
how the election was stolen. The same video was spread
by people like a friend of the pod Brooklyn Dad Defiant.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Oh literally, God fucking Okay, I need to spend five seconds.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
No, we don't have time.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
He's literally paid by a Democratic party. He used to
be Yeah, he used to be literally paid a Democratic party.
He was a fucking oil guy. Fuck god, damn it. Sorry, Okay,
but he said quote. Is that a fucking confession?
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Twenty three thousand likes? Oh?
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Which?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Now this line from Trump gets referenced a lot in
liberal stolen election theories. Trump is not saying he won
because Elon knows the vote counting computers. Those two statements
can be separate statements that are just right next to
each other. More, it could be easily interpreted as saying
that Elon Musk's computer knowledge helped prevent fraud, ensuring that
if Dems tried to steal the election again, Elon would
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have caught them. As twenty twenty Republican election denile focused
heavily on voting machines. In terms of numbers on how
many Democrats don't think the election was legitimate, we do
have some statistics. In twenty twenty, eighty eight percent of
Democrats thought the election was legitimate and accurate. In twenty
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twenty four, it was only sixty three percent, with nine
percent saying it was the result of illegal voting or
election rigging, and twenty nine percent saying they don't know
if it was legitimate or accurate. Of course, the Republicans
found this election was extremely legitimate as compared to the
last one, in which a majority of Republicans thought it
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was the result of illegal voting or election rigging. But
still twenty nine percent of Democrats in twenty twenty four
not knowing if the election is accurate pretty pretty damage,
And obviously a lack of trust and election systems is
an extremely damaging thing to the functioning of democracy. The
reason why I decided to finally do this episode after
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pulling little research bits over the course of the past year,
is a tweet from August twentieth quote two whistleblowers have
now confirmed that the NSSA conducted an election audit and
Harris was the winner. Don't fucking ignore this. One hundred
and forty six thousand likes, almost thirty thousand retweets, five
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point five million quote unquote views. This went super viral,
one of the biggest instances I've seen in recent election denial.
This viral tweet links to a substack with over fifty
one thousand subscribers and three million views. The focus of
the blog is showing how Kamala Harris really won the
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twenty twenty four election. The recent post cover how a
former CIA operative has confirmed that, based on an NSA
audit of the twenty twenty four election, Kamala actually won.
This was a quote covert compartmentalized forensic audit unquote.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
It's literally just stop the steal. They did this same thing.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
It was completed in December twenty twenty four, and based
on the findings, the NSSA and CIA recommended a hand recount,
but the recount was unable to take place before the
January sixth election certification, and since then the findings of
the audit proving a KAMMLA victory have been covered up
by Tulci, Gabbard and the Trump administration. This blog claims
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the election was stolen by hijacking voting machines and quote
illegally copied software, decades of vulnerabilities, and the installation of
a back door through a last minute change order right
before the election unquote. Now there's a few problems with
this theory, the first at which being that the NSSA
does an audit election no.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
What.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
This substacker also operates a still growing TikTok account to
prevent being suppressed from misinformation. The user talks in coded phrases,
calling elections baking contests. State election results are either red
cakes or blue cakes.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Boats are ingredients.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Christ In her most popular video with about seventy five
thousand views, she claims that Trump isn't giving red swing
states FEMA AID because he knows that these states actually
voted for Kamala Harris and so Trump is punishing them
by withholding aid. This is her second most popular video
with fifty thousand views, talking about North Carolina and how
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Elon Musk and Peter Thiel worked together to alter election results.
Speaker 10 (42:52):
Hey y'all, quick update on the baking contest in North
Kakilaki and the cake is in fact who We were
able to identify about one hundred and ninety seven thousand
ingredients that were swapped out by the space baker, So
he and his friend whose name rhymes with seal have
been up to some interesting things when it comes to
these baking contests. So the surveillance Seal and the space
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Baker doing some doing some interesting baking. So we need
you to let your media friends know and let all
your let all the people know. We're going to do
an email campaign next week, because that seems to be
how we get this done. We do have avenues to
undo this unholy mess, and just hold on to your hope.
Run over to my friends at the ATE and of
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course the Common Coalition. Check out the report. We have
more to report on all of the baking contests that
we're working on. We're still digging. We got more to
go and blue skies ahead, y'all.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
There's something specifically uniquely horrifying about the way that like
just the sort of TikTok language of sewer side or
whatever like that people say like that kind of shit.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
This stuff just makes me really sad. No, it's it's
so like I can't have fun with this anymore.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Oh God, damn it.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
The same thing when I was watching some of the
trump asassination videos, when I realized this is just from
people who are unwell, and I can't even have fun
with this. And that is also the case with a
lot of Q and on stuff. You should be really
careful about how much joy you take in the suffering
of people and people displaying their suffering on the Internet
by engaging in this stuff. But yeah, this stuff's just
really sad. Like in other videos, she's pleading with her
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followers to contact their state governors to convince them to
change all the voting machines because they've been compromised. And
I'll play one more video before we close the episode,
I says over thirty two thousand views. She talks about
Trump using tariffs as leverage to get countries to sign
deals with Elon Musk's Starlink satellites, which will then be
used to control elections worldwide. And the only way to
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stop this is to impeach Trump and put Kamala in
the White House since she is the rightful winner of
the twenty twenty four election.
Speaker 10 (45:11):
They take from their constituents now to address the Space Cadet,
And how look at what he launched last year in
record time ten months, this low orbit DTC constellation. And
look at what they're doing with the countries around the world.
To get your tariffs removed, you have to sign a
contract with the Space Cadet. Hello, this is not about
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any kind of like you know, internet in the rural areas,
blah blah blah, nothing about this is to be nice. No,
it is to control future contests. The US was not
the endgame. It was the litmus test. So we can
get out of this. We have constitutional avenues to get
out of this situation, but we need Congress to act,
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and Congress won't act until the American people know what happened.
And they're not going to know what happened until our
influencers and our media handle the situation. So Rachel Mattow, please,
Lawrence minus touched, for heaven's sake, minus touched. You guys,
four million people, you could be blasting this out and
letting the American people know what happened. Do your jobs, please,
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so we can get the rightful people in the House
that they belong in, the big white one.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
I think one of the things that makes me so
insane about these is that, like, if you're actually, I
guess Garrison, you weren't around for this. But like I've
legitimately have lived through two attempts to steal an election, right,
Like there was two thousand, which the Republicans just stole
(46:49):
and then yeah, Donald Trump did try to steal the
election in twenty twenty, but he did it by having
people try to form mobs outside of polling places and
then like his supporters did January. That's a real thing.
But the thing about these conspiracies is like they they
devour reality. They they they consume it and strip it
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for its constituent parts. Which is why you see so many,
like you know, used to see so many conspiracies that
would you know if if you look at their giant
conspiracy charts. They're talking about like the structure of the
World Bank and the IMF, and like that's that's where
the Builderberg group stuff comes out of, right, they love charts.
The Builder group stuff is then taking the real structure
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of the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank and
then you know, devouring that structure and spinning back out conspiracy.
And that that's what these things do. They take They
take real things that happen in the world and just
devour them and turn them into just nothing. And it
makes it harder to act because like, yeah, we do
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live in a world where the Republican Party has like
attempted to or successfully did fel to elections, but not
this one.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
And if this is your mode of resistance of hashtag
resistance against Trump, that's useless. It's completely useless. It's not
actually managing any of the effects of Trump on people
like ICE, like attacks on career people. It's this fully contained,
non non form of fighting.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Yeah, and like like you see you see this, you
see this too on the left of CIA stuff, where
it's like everyone is convinced that like the person they're
arguing with on Twitter like is the CIA, and that
the way that you combat CIA influences by like spreading
I don't know, posting pro asage shit. And it's like
that's not actually substantively combating the influence of the CIA.
It just feels like it is, and that structure of
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feeling is so powerful that it prevents you from doing
actual action.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
There has been this new conspiracy theory getting traction on
Blue Sky a lot that the masked people engaged in
Immigration enforcement ICE aren't actually ICE agents. They're secretly quote
j sixers, bounty hunters or thugs, oathkeepers, proud boys. It's
a big assumption to even say they're federal agents. They're
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not identified. We have no idea who they are. Could
be proud boys or oath keepers or three percenters unquote.
This is trying to push the blame away from the
US government who is engaging in this action Ice onto
these non state actors, which people in their mind think
are easier targets. And it's just a completely misunderstanding of power,
and it's a misunderstanding of their current political situation, and
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it gives you no no ability to actually stop the
bad things ICE are doing. But I've seen this theory
gain a lot of traction online.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
And in the same way that QAnon is a product
of the cognitive dissonance of Trump supporters having to grapple
the fact that the trumpet that their god king is
in power and their lives still suck. This is this
specific one is a product of the cognitive dissonance of
like the fact that these people all supported ICE when
Biden was the Biden was the run running it, when
like Biden and fucking did his executive order to shut
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the border down, right, but Kumboombiden was like doing consration
camps in the desert. They were all pro ICE. And
then they suddenly have to deal with the world where
ICE is doing an ethnic cleansing and they can't process that,
And so the way that they attempt to cope with
it is being like, well, that's actually not the real ice.
That's like J six Proud Boys.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
It's a groper occupied government. They're sending out coded messages
on Twitter. Yeah, it's the same thing me and you
did the episode about a few weeks ago in our
dog Whistle Politics and the Hunt for Coded Nazi Messaging episode.
But yeah, And though some Democratic voters are engaging in
election denial, I think one key difference from twenty twenty
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Republican election denial is that liberal election officials have as
of yet not been willing to participate in this rhetoric
openly or pursue these baseless fraud accusations. This is still
one difference, But I think it's a ticking clock. I
think it's only a matter of time, especially once we
see the midterms, that people running for office debt Democrats
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might start embracing some kind of wing nutty stuff the
same way Marjora Taylor Green, Trojan Horst wing nutty politics
into Congress. And now we see a whole bunch of
other representatives being able to engage in conspiratorial thought on
the right. There's going to be a few instances of this.
I think in the next mid term election for Democrats.
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It's something to keep an eye out for because I
think it's only a matter of time. Like what I
mentioned in that CCR you quote, mundane reality is going
to lose because this stuff is just more interesting. People
are going to try to buy it and it requires
constant pushback That doesn't for part one. But there's going
to be another episode tomorrow where I talk with Jack
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of the Alt watcher Blue Sky account to discuss the
latest evolution of blue and on and possibly the most
Q and on the extension of blue and On we've
seen yet the Alt National Park Service and their coded
messages being sent out on Blue Sky and Facebook. So
stay tuned for that tomorrow, and remember you are not
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immune to propaganda.
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Garrison takes a puff of their clove cigarette as slow
jazz plays in the background. These sites say what they
used to be. I've been digging into liberal conspiracy theories.
That is, they're all the rage where the sky is
blue and the book is face. These libs think old
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Donnie Jay's close call in Pennsylvania was a false flag,
that the South African Musk stole the election, and that
the Park Service has gone rogue, waging an insurgent information
warfare against this corrupt administration, sending out coded messages on
social media. It's called blue and on dohal and it's
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been making me blue. This is it could happen here.
I'm Davis. I'm joined by Mio Wong for our blue
on on episode Finally.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I never thought. I never thought I would have been
nostalgic for the days where I was arguing with isis
on Twitter. But increasingly increasingly I am looking back at
that as the golden age the Internet. We were merely dealing.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
No, it's it's only gotten.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
More stupid right wing terroristualization.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It's it's only gonna get more stupid from here.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Oh yeah, no, this is this is the least stupid.
It's going to be for at least fifty years.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
And this is the thing that I realized what doing
my research for this bloon On episode, is that usually
conspiracy research is kind of fun. I have a good
time looking into conspiracy theories. I like going to conspiracy conventions.
I get joy out of this, almost no joy. Looking
into liberal conspiracy theories really boring and kind of sad.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
So that's the intro for this episode, Garrison, can I
interest you in some of the bespoke shit, none of
none of the none of this twenty twenty four elections stolen?
Can I Can I interest you in some two thousand
and four Iowa vote total?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Stay? Oh yeah, absolutely, We'll get to that much. We'll
get to that in our last section. Because yeah, there
has been liberal election done out in the past, not
at the same I think scale it exists at now,
but yes, it certainly has existed before. And you know,
for a while, conspiracy theories were like a bipartisan or
at least like a by directional political pastime, like old
(02:34):
conspiracy magazines were not as partisan as conspiracy theories has
seemed today. Think of like you know, JFK. Everyone gets
to have fun with JFK except for me. I don't
have any fun with that. And conspiracy culture used to
like crossover between hippie environmentalism, anti semitism, anti corporatism, anti authoritarianism.
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All these things exist both on the far right and
the far left. There was a lot of meshing between
different different polarities of conspiracy theory. And I think politics
on the fringe are slightly more susceptible to conspiratorial thinking.
And if if you spend an amount of time and like,
you know, the communist left, you'll see that they have
their fair share of conspiracy theories or even just a
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conspiratorial way of understanding the world.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
They all think that we work for the CIA.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, stuff about the CIA and NATO, all kinds of stuff.
And though like anti vaccine and nine to eleven trutherism
were initially more liberal aligned conspiracy theories, in the Obama years,
conspiracy culture coalesced around the growing far right. Look at
people like Glenn Beck and the slide of Alex Jones
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into the fascist right. Case in point Obama, Birtherism and
all this stuff leads to Donald Trump and QAnon. As
of late, liberals have had a conception that as the
more rational of the two political alignments, they were almost
naturally immune to conspiratorial thinking. Meanwhile, attacks on consensus, reality,
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fractured information streams, and any larger collective sense of what's
real and what isn't started to slip away from everyone.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, your camera's flashing.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
They're trying to silence me. They're trying to I'm getting
too close to the truth.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
He legitimately looked like a fucking like you're being taken
off the air in a cyberpunk pirate radios taken my.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Cat started to unflug my camera rehit.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Although my cat is named Theodore Katzinski and Kazinsky was
a CIA operative who got mk ultra, so you never know.
The right wings trailblazing of political unreality allowed space for
liberals to dip their toes into the conspiratorial mindset again,
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but maybe without even realizing that's what they were doing.
Exaggerations of Russia Gate was one of the first Trump
era liberal experiments with conspiracy theories, the idea that Russia
not only engaged in hacking on a social media disformation
campaign to influence the twenty sixteen election, but that Donald
Trump himself colluded with Russia to get himself elected and
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might even be a Russian asset. And even though those
allegations were investigated and not concretely proven, the conspiratorial churn continued,
emboldened by the media environment that the right has created.
As QAnon accelerated during the second half of Trump's first term,
so did the decline of American consensus reality, culminating in
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the Stop the Steel movement in January sixth, which were
explosive manifestations of Internet conspiracism which erupted in the physical world.
A severe fracturing of reality took place. Any conception of
a shared political reality seemed so far gone, and the
effects of this loss aren't just contained to Republicans, but
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this also enables liberals and people on the left by
opening up space for small reality tunnels to form regardless
of political ideology. The siloing of information channels makes it
almost impossible to actually form a consensus reality as the
United States has embraced its political cafe. As everything gets
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more absurd, what loses is political mundanity. Liberals and the
left were almost destined to become more conspiratorial in this
current moment, and you can even look at how newsome
is like copying Trump's posting strategies, and even how people
like me memify and replicate Trump phrases. Many such cases,
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we were all going to be pulled into this at
a certain point because it's just more interesting. I'm going
to quote from one of MIA's favorite books, the CCRU
quote God.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
No.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Conspiracy fictions are spun out of an all encompassing narrative
that can't possibly be falsified, because they want you to
believe in their non existence. To attempt to refute such
narratives is to be drawn into a tedious double game.
One either has to embrace an arbitrary and outrageous cosmic
plot in which everything is being run by Jews, Masons,
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the Illuminati, the CIA, Microsoft, or Satan, or alternatively advocate
submission to the most mundane construction of quotidian reality, dismissing
the hyperstitional chaos that operates behind the screens. This is
why atheism is usually so boring. Both conspiracy and common
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sense the normal reality script depend on the dialectical side
of the double game, on reflective twins belief and unbelief,
but disbelief is merely the negative complement of belief. Unquote,
belief is so much stronger because disbelief is so much
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more boring. It only exists in comparison to belief in something.
I think this is why everyone has this urge to
get more conspiratorial. And like American specifically, our whole country
is based on conspiracy theory, like the Masons are such
a core part of our national identity.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I fucking went down that tunnle. I went down the
like if you asked me to start talking about politics
in late nineteen seventies early nineteen eighties Italy, I could
start talking about how Italy was run by a rogue
Masonic lodge. So that actually is true. If you google
propaganda due you will you will find out this was
actually This was on the front page of the New
York Times. It was to be fair to the basis,
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this was a rogue Masonic lodge. They had been expelled
from the Masons for being assholes.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
But this is true.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
All conspiracies are true, but only about nineteen seventies Italy.
But it's more interesting, right, like it it's so much
more interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, it is more interesting, and it makes it really
hard to disprove conspiracy theories. When the act of disproving.
It makes it feel like you're submitting to some all
controlling authority, and people people feel like they're losing, like
they're they And that idea of submission is why people
get so pulled into conspiracy theories because they think that
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believing in conspiracy theories is itself almost a form of
resistance against you know, quote unquote them.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yeah, which is which which is very funny because the
actual operation of conspiracy is precisely the other way around.
Like conspiracies had been encouraged by the government, by governments
for ever, Like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion
were like an op by the fucking czars, like like
this is this, like this this, this is this was
this was literally a Russian police operation, right, But all
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of these people now believe that they're like, oh, I'm
like the anti systemic person because I fell for this
like anti Semitic police operation. But it's yeah, it's a
really powerful force.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
The US government has intentionally stoked UFO conspiracy theories for
eighty years.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, because it covers up the thing. You know, if
you want to go conspiratory about it, is because it
covers up the thing they're actually doing, which is like
mundane but horrifying weapons testing shit.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Like Now, the CCRU proposes that quote unquote, unbelief might
be the way out of this cycle by building a
plane of potentiality where the annihilation of judgment converges with
real cosmic indeterminacy. I myself try to embrace an unbelief
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viewpoint for a lot of things, but I think that
only gets you so far, and might also encourage some
of these same problems in a larger scale. Because America
has now gotten to the point of unbelief, especially in
regards to QAnon, We've outgrown the need for QAnon because
everything is QAnon Now. Politics are about determining who is
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and isn't a pedophile. Immigrants are trafficking children. Donald Trump
is on the Epstein List, which both doesn't exist and
was invented by Democrats. Historical events are staged. Every election
was now stolen by the side who won. DHS is
posting coded messages on the Internet. The FBI and police
are faking crime statistics. Everything Trump does is a distraction
from whatever the previous thing Trump did, which itself was
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a distraction from whatever the previous thing Trump did. So
on and so forth. This is just what American politics
are now. And while Trump's numerous connections to Epstein are
long documented and he appears in Epstein FBI investigation files,
discussions around it can feel very the storm is coming.
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The pedu elite are always just about to be arrested
and removed from office. I like to see old Donnie J.
Wiggle's way out of this jam. The logic of QAnon
has perforated almost every aspect of American politics. On Blue Sky,
there is this conspiratorial mantra gaining traction among liberals. But
he wasn't shot, he didn't win. He's on the list.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Don't like that.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Oh no, that's what they believe. Do you know what
isn't a conspiracy theory? Maya that advertisement is designed to
drive consumer demand repledged capitalism by replacing your desires. Not
a conspiracy theory. That's just the good old truth. Listen
to these ads. All right, we're back. As QAnon itself
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became a uber conspiracy theory overtime liking together a large
collection of historical and contemporary conspiracy theories into one overarching story.
Bluin On does not just refer to a single conspiracy theory,
but rather as a label that can be applied to
a general assortment of theories or conspiratorial thinking held by
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contemporary liberals and Democratic voters. I myself used a version
of this term all the way back in January of
twenty twenty one for a since removed YouTube video due
to threats of violence, in which I used the word
blue QAnon to describe Portland liberals who believed that Russia
was staging Antifa protests to make liberals look bad after
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Biden's election victory, and some of the banners used in
this video apparently had threats to the president of the
United States, so YouTube took down the video. Unfortunately, even
though the video was just outlining liberal conspiracy theories about
this protest, thinking that you know, Russia probably made this banner, the.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Censorship regime continues apace.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Around this time twenty twenty one, the term blew and
on was mostly used to refer to Trump Russia conspiracy theories,
but there were a whole bunch of other liberal conspiracy
theories in this era, like how palettes of bricks were
being mysteriously dropped off at protests, and though I will
say this conspiracy theory was used by both people on
the right as well as some centrist liberals.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yeah, and I think this is actually you know, you
were talking about how there is this like QAnon, like
this sort of moment of break with consensus reality, And
I think the twenty twenty uprising was one of the
most the single most important events in this entire process massively. So, yeah,
because the twenty twenty uprising was a systemic challenge to
both the liberal and the Republican establishment right because if
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its central premise is true that the United States is
a structurally racist state, right, that is, is based on
the oppression of black people, then you can't continue to
maintain the state. And also simultaneously, the thing that was
incredibly threatening was that people were actually willing to go
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out and fight the police over this. And on the right,
this obviously causes massive reality fraction because they have to
grapple with the fact that like most of the country
was fine with burning a police stationed down or were
they right? Yeah, this is like oh no, there was
this was this was act. This whole thing was actually
like a plan by like Antifa democrats and like Pritzker's billionaire,
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like the Jewish billionaire soorro Jewish billionaires.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
It was actually the Boogaloo Boys who planned the whole
thing and burned down the Third Precinct.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, and this is this is a very very common
This became the liberal main line on the birding of
the Third Precinct was that it was a false flag
by like the Boogloo Boy People don't remember the Boogloo.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Bar right, Boogaloo Boys.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, it was like they were like this very very
weird race war fashion trying to encourage a new civil
yes a word weird fascist group, but like that became
the liberal main line because they had to find a
way to explain the fact that the people who were
you know, like a lot of people who are normally
supposed to be their base decided instead of doing their
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sort of just like vote for the president and like
vote for the Democratic president and like non violently and
passively do nothing, people went and fought the police from
of a year and this caused this massive fracturing where
people had to believe it instead of there just being
construction sites and people taking bricks from construction sites, as
people have been doing for literally since the first brick
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was made, people have been taking them and throwing them
at enemy authorities, right.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Like stone Wall was a false flag.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah, right, because the actual power of that uprising was
so dangerous to the fundamental liberal conceptions of reality in
the world, and that like the marginalized and oppressed people
who who they sort of planned to represent, would take
it into their own hands. The idea that yeah, the
state is structurally racist and so it has to be resisted.
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That caused people to just have to create these like
just pure reality tunnels of like, oh no, actually, any
attempt to fight the police is a false flag that
the police want to do. Or the burning of the
Third Precinct was actually like the fascist attempting to provoke people,
and that the state actually wants you to fight it
because if you fight the state, then the state wins.
And like this is one of the earth reality tunnels
that creates the sort of conspiratorial mindset. We're like the
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Boglue boys at the Third Preacing. That's not just a
thing from like you know, online posters. That became the
main line of the Democratic Party because they also had
to contain the uprising and from there and once once
that's the accepted narrative of like the Democrats. Then this
peer reality tunnel conspiracy shit is now just baked in
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to the very core of liberalism as it attempts to
recuperate and defeat the energies that were unleashed by twenty twenty.
And that's how we're here, that's a large part of it.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Flash Forwarding a few years during the first half of
twenty twenty four, especially in and around Biden's disastrous debate performance,
the blue and on term begun being used to refer
to a collection of theories that a secret cabal of
deep state elites, the news media, high ranking Democrats, and
Republicans were targeting Biden to sabotage his presidency to make
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him lose the election.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
There's no such thing as getting old. There is simply
being sabotaged by q cards and camera lighting positions.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Now, the bluenon term here is sort of a misnomer
because like at this point, like Russia Gate and QAnon
had very little in common. Like one viewed Trump as
the Messiah, the other viewed him as basically, you know,
an anti christ slash Russian asset. In the wake of
the Trump assassination, Philip Bump penned a Washington Post article
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declaring quote QAnon and blue and on rhyme. The similarities
end there, and I have sympathies for this viewpoint, especially
in the wake of like January sixth, Right, Blunon doesn't
have satanic wayfair child trafficking, Yeah, but maybe it doesn't
need to. No, In conspiracy theories, it's not just about
the substance of the beliefs held, but the function and
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methodology of the beliefs. In the past year, Blunon's function
and methodology have started to parallel q Andon's more and more,
which leads us to the event that really opened up
operating space for the mainstreaming of the liberal conspiracy theories,
the attempted assassination of one Donald Trump. Americans are particularly
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susceptible to assassination conspiracy theories. It has kind of been
woven into our national identity now. Of course, Republicans, including
elected representatives, developed their own fair share of theories about
the attempted assassination of Donald Trump. But that's another episode.
Here's a viral Facebook video, Remember Facebook, No.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
It's not that bad.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Take a look at what happened.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Fake a shit man stage, fake a shit bo ain't
no bullets plying in that. You know what I'm saying,
wan thing about a shootout. Soon a shootout, you will
see bullets, class stuff getting piled though Oh I ain't
never going on, never getting hit, nothing getting piled though
he definitely ain't get hit. He faked it all. The
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whole dang is fake stage when grid bro just I
didn't play, y'all, They gonna make y'all vote on now
if the dump you feel me? Oh, y'all, oh he oh,
he been shot in they'll all going on to vote
on y'all.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Some fucking clowns.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Buh.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
The word staged spiked in use by almost four thousand
percent on Twitter, according to the misinformation tracker NewsGuard, appearing
three hundred thousand times the day of and after the shooting.
The term inside job also rose on social media, up
by over three thousand percent, with bots and inauthentic accounts
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adding to this. Chaos and Israeli disinfo tech firm Cybra
found that forty five percent of accounts using hashtags like
fake assassination and staged shooting were inauthentic. Within a day,
a post on x questioning the authenticity of the event
a gained over fifty thousand likes. Quote, great camera angle,
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great quality. No Secret Service agent in front of his
head covering the wound, conveniently placed US flag unquote. Another
got nearly fifty thousand likes, asking users to quote, raise
your hand and repost if you think this was staged.
There was a flood of posts, earning thousands of likes
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and millions of alleged views, which questioned why Trump was
able to or allowed to stand above the crowd after
being shot, yelling fight, fight, fight, risking getting shot again.
And while it could have been possible that there was
a second shooter, Trump was only able to stand back
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up after it was confirmed that Crooks was killed. You
can hear it in the video Shoot her Down, Shoot
Her Down. Secret Service was already aware of Crook's position
prior to the shooting and had not located any other
possible shooters. But reality does not matter here. I'm going
to play a short clip from a YouTube video which
was uploaded just a month ago with over eighty five
(22:14):
thousand views, explaining why someone feels it really easy to
believe in this conspiracy.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
Now, ladies and gentlemen, I normally don't go down conspiracy holes.
I don't, but we know MAGA does. MAGA has gone
down so many conspiracy holes and brought it to science
that We've got people not giving their kids vaccine. We've
seen measles rising in Texas. We had people not wanting
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to get into COVID. We had quarterbacks telling people to
take ivermectin. We had people saying take fucking horse traink
orizers to get rid of COVID. And so now I
think I've earned opportunity to go down a rabbit hole.
This video was someone who was right there at the
Trump rally, and there can tending that this whole thing
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is made up, which a lot of us felt like
it was anyway, because we do know that Trump he's
not afraid to fool around and shall we say reality
or entertainment TV. We know he's not afraid to do that.
And I'll show you an example of that in a minute.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
What example do you think he's going to show a
WWE thing? It is a WWE thing.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I remember there was so much WWE like tying shit
with this.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Well we'll get to that in this sect. But I
find this explanation of why this person feels almost allowed
to believe the conspiracy theory is now super interesting. It
is specifically because the right has been so willing to
embrace conspiracism that now it feels like it's fair game
for liberals to do it as well. And this guy
is just almost almost acknowledging this fact. He's kind of
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like working his way to by an entire thesis here
with maybe without realizing it.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
This guy sponsored by an AI company, just just to
make this absolutely perfect. Great stuff, great stuff happening in
this in the sphere of our political discourse. We love
to see it.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
But yes, based on the blood severed across Trump's face
after he went on the ground, people postulated that Trump
was hiding a razor blade in his sleeve w w
E style to purposefully cut his face to make it
look like he was shot.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, Donald Trump bladed himself. What are we doing here?
Speaker 7 (24:30):
So should we believe that faking getting shot is beyond them?
Why would we believe that when this is still Trump
that once was trained by the ww whatn't those some
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convincing ass right hands he just gave vincement Man, No, those.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
Were the least convincing right hands I've ever seen, and
I have throw a button not for me.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
You know what, I think We've saw this whole assassination
thing right here. I'm like, this stuff doesn't even warrant debunking.
Debunking is useless, right Yeah. All of these conspiracy theories
rest on the fact that rally attendees were hospitalized with
gunshot wounds and two people died as a sacrifice to
sell this event, and that the Biden era Secret Service
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helped facilitate this whole operation. I watched YouTube videos explaining
that even if bullets were fired and people at the
rally were hitt and killed, though just not Trump, the
actual footage of the shooting is actually ai because the
number of targets hit don't match the number of shots
heard in the video, and people in the crowd suddenly
disappear once shots are fired, as in people get down
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low on the ground to avoid getting hit. As for
the number of shots hit versus shots fired, these videos
seem to not realize that bullets travel through t objects,
like say Donald Trump's.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Ear being the point of a bullet.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Also, this was actually Trump loyalist police firing into the
crowd as a part of this stage operation, not not
Thomas Crooks. After the shooting, a political advisor to Democratic
donor and LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman named Dimitri Melhorn sent
an email proposing that the shooting may have been quote
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encouraged and maybe even staged so Trump could get the
photos and benefit from the backlash unquote. The next day,
Melhorn regretted and apologized for sending the email, and think
about it. While one person was lined up perfectly to
get the now historic photo, think of how many other
professional photographers at the rally weren't so lucky. There's not
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just one photographer at the event, there's lots, and yeah,
one person got a really compelling shot.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
It's a campaign event. There's paid photographers there. This is
what I get paid event is Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
There was a flag that was stayed because it was
a campaign event.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Going insane.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
According to a pull from Morning Consult, roughly one in
five voters said that they found it credible that the
shooting was staged and not intended to kill Trump, including
one third of at the time Biden's supporters, thirty three
percent of Biden supporters, and twelve percent of those who
back Trump, which is really funny to me.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
That's actually really funny.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
It was an inside job. Good job, guys, good job.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
The mega Trump assassination. Truthers of the majority of voters,
though sixty two percent, said that the unsubstantiated notion is
not credible. A statement I've seen from both the conspiratorial
left and the right is that we know all about
say Luigi Mangioni or this latest school shooter, but still
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know nothing about the Trump assassination. And this just isn't true.
We actually know a lot about Thomas Crooks. Now, just
because you haven't read about it doesn't mean that we
don't know. I'll link to a recent New York Times
article looking into his online footprint. We know a lot
about this guy, yep. But based on the conception that
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this failed assassination attempt would in the end helped Trump
get elected, some people chose to just reject the event entirely.
And yeah, it was surreal, a warped manifestation of millions
of people's dream And when things happen that challenge expectations
or are just plain weird, some people reject that reality
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and substitute to their own alternate realities, which make more
sense to them. If a near miss event like this
would help Trump, then it must be Trump's doing. Do
you know what Trump has no control over?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
It's so not true that he doesn't have control of
these products and services. We have good report I got
is his Increasingly.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
The tariffs aren't real, be a. I won't believe the
tariffs until I see them with my own two eyes.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
I'm gonna I'm going to walk you to the port
of LA. Are gonna go look at the tariffs together?
Why inside?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
So here's the ads. All right, we're back. You can't
talk about liberal conspiracy theories without the most blatant example
of some libs taking a page right out of the megaplaybook.
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Twenty twenty four election denial God another instance of Trump
and QAnon trailblazing something that used to be on the
political fringe and normalizing it as acceptable political discourse. Early on,
after Trump was declared the projected winner, liberals questioned why
there were seemingly twenty million missing Democratic votes from the
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expected twenty twenty four totals, pointing to the higher numbers
than twenty twenty forgetting that vote totals were still being
counted and in the end, there were only three million
fewer votes this election, which is extremely reasonable for an election.
According to NewsGuard by Wednesday morning after the election, Trump
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cheated was trending on Twitter with nearly one hundred thousand
mentions since midnight. I'll read a few of these viral
tweets quote, I hold a master's degree in political science.
I don't yet understand these results, and I don't pretend to.
I'm not into conspiracy, but I'd like to know. Did
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millions across Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan really split their vote? Did
millions of Democratic voters really stay home? And the answer
is yes, yes they did.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
That is what happened. You figured it out.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
People did split their vote, and yeah, lots of people
were not compelled to vote for Harris and stayed home. Congratulations,
you stumbled across the reality.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Another person remarked, quote, I hold a master's again. I
love all these people prefacing this by saying that they
have degrees.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
And I want to say two things about the degree thing.
One eighty percent of the time when someone starts doing
what are these things, you can go back and find
different degrees they pretended have. Two. I have been around
people who get master's degrees in political science. We are
not talking about the cream of the intellectual crop here like,
this is a discipline that is like economics for people
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who like or even worse at the chain rule than economists.
Like what are we doing here?
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Quote?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I hold a master's and political science with a minor
in statistics, and I can't make sense of this. Human
nature had to completely upend itself for this to happen.
Swing states voting straight blue down the ballot except for
the top. Nah, that's not what people do, and yet
it is what happened.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Average political science. This is hinged for them, so very quickly.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Liberals demanded recounts and court challenges, begging that Kamala Harris
take this to court, with misinformation spreading that she was
planning said court challenges. Others alleged that Elon Musk hacked
voting machines. According to a report from the University of Washington,
over a five day period, there were hundreds of thousands
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of tweets and retweets about how Elon Musk, working with
Trump and sometimes with Putin, used Starlink satellites to steal
the election, perhaps by intercepting then changing vote totals through
the Internet. Despite most voting machines not being connected to
the Internet.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
No, and the actual thing that he did was like
going to places and saying, I'll give you a million
dollars if you vote for this election, one of you
will win. Like that's like the actual thing that he did,
which is so blatantly obvious.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
And like basic, like ground game targeting and swing states, Like, yeah,
they mobilized a shit ton of money. Quote I'm hearing
today that Elon's software Starship is the software that handled
all the swing state ballots. If indeed this is true,
this is clearly a conflict of interest and another reason
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why swing states need investigations. Well, good news, this isn't
indeed true.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
You made this up.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
This is fake.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
It's not just Twitter though.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
On Meta's Twitter alternative threads, there was a hotbed of
election denile, with posts like this spreading on the platform
and beyond to places like Reddit. Quote Trump cheats at
everything in life. Putin interfered in the past three elections.
Musk and Trump talked to Putin a lot. Musk's Starlink
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uploaded votes in swing states. Swing state voters went DEM
down ballot, but Trump at the top. Unlikely Starlink satellites explode,
destroying evidence quote. This is referencing a conspiracy theory from
the time that based on an event on November tenth
where a Starlink satellite re entered orbit and blew up,
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as Elon Musk's technology is known to do. This was
itself proof that he was blowing up his satellites on
purpose to conceal evidence that Starlink was used to alter
election results. SpaceX regularly retires satellites which then slowly fall
to Earth and blow up.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
This is ordinary practice.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
This particular satellite, which exploded on November tenth was decommissioned
back in August. This has nothing to do with the election. Still,
there were viral tweets calling for a quote unquote forensic
investigation and accounts like your n on News, an account
pretending to be affiliated with the hacker group Anonymous, which
is a real vector point of left wing conspiratorial thinking.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
I'm going to put a note here, Butz says that
the history of relationship if your n on News is
very compl this is not. This is not a definitive
statement on it. Please don't get mad at us. It's
a it's a fucking mess. It's a fucking mess. That's
that's what I'm gonna say about it, that guy sucks shit.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
They've been spreading a lot of election misinformation news, especially
in November.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Some strange statements from Trump and Elon have fueled doubts
about election integrity. You can just change one line of code,
Elon stated about the code on electronic voting machines. I
don't need more votes. I already have votes, Trump stated repeatedly,
So why not take a look.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Unquote.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
This alleged quote from Elon cannot be sourced at all.
The full version of it is quote if you want
to steal an election, all you have to do is
change one line of code unquote. I have tried so
hard to find the original source for this quote. I cannot.
It is just liberals saying Elon said this. It may
have been something said, I cannot find it. Even if
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it is something he said. There's not evidence that he
stole the election, no at all.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
He does this like that.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
There's there's a whole conspiracy on the left that thinks
that Elon Musk was behind the coup in Bolivia, which
was like something I was accepted by Evo back when
he was in the NIS. Like in Bolivia, because it
was like politically convenient for everyone involved to believe that
like Elon Musk did this coup in Bolivia over like
lithium prices, when the actual reality was it was done
by a bunch of Bolivia agrobarons. But people just believe
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this shit, and and and and Elon will just play
into it, even like because I don't he probably didn't
say that, but like even if he did, like he
did say the ship that he did the coup in Bolivia,
but like he didn't, he objectively didn't LOLXD like I
I okay, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not going to
get into the price history of of lithium here and
how there was a fucking market glut at that point,
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which is the exact opposite thing you would want there
to be if you're trying to steal lithius.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Like it's nonsense.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
So people just leave this ship because it fits, it
fits their version of reality. And the right is really
happy to sort of play into this because they just
play around with conspiracies.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
And this line from Trump is just breaking about having
a lot of projected votes already, That's all it is. Yeah,
the day before Inauguration day, people alleged that Trump may
have accidentally admitted to stealing the election in one of
his speeches.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Oh my fucking god, let's take a look.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Trump just told them himself.
Speaker 9 (37:24):
He just credited Elon Musk's knowledge of how voting machines
work for his victory in Pennsylvania. He said this during
his victory rally in Washington, d C. The night before
the alleged inauguration. Let's listen to the audio.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
And then he.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Journeyed to Pennsylvania, where he spent like a month and
a half campaigning for me in Pennsylvania. And he's a
popular guy, and he was very effective, and he knows
those computers better than anybody, all those computers, those vote
counting computers, and we ended up Pennsylvania like in a landslide,
so that it was pretty good.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
He was pretty good.
Speaker 7 (38:04):
So thank you to Elon.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
That is from a very popular TikToker. This particular video
has twenty thousand likes. I can't even find how many
views it has, but there's hundreds of comments talking about
how the election was stolen. The same video was spread
by people like a friend of the pod Brooklyn Dad Defiant.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Oh literally, God fucking Okay, I need to spend five seconds.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
No, we don't have time.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
He's literally paid by a Democratic party. He used to
be Yeah, he used to be literally paid a Democratic party.
He was a fucking oil guy. Fuck god, damn it. Sorry, Okay,
but he said quote. Is that a fucking confession?
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Twenty three thousand likes? Oh?
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Which?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Now this line from Trump gets referenced a lot in
liberal stolen election theories. Trump is not saying he won
because Elon knows the vote counting computers. Those two statements
can be separate statements that are just right next to
each other. More, it could be easily interpreted as saying
that Elon Musk's computer knowledge helped prevent fraud, ensuring that
if Dems tried to steal the election again, Elon would
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have caught them. As twenty twenty Republican election denile focused
heavily on voting machines. In terms of numbers on how
many Democrats don't think the election was legitimate, we do
have some statistics. In twenty twenty, eighty eight percent of
Democrats thought the election was legitimate and accurate. In twenty
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twenty four, it was only sixty three percent, with nine
percent saying it was the result of illegal voting or
election rigging, and twenty nine percent saying they don't know
if it was legitimate or accurate. Of course, the Republicans
found this election was extremely legitimate as compared to the
last one, in which a majority of Republicans thought it
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was the result of illegal voting or election rigging. But
still twenty nine percent of Democrats in twenty twenty four
not knowing if the election is accurate pretty pretty damage,
And obviously a lack of trust and election systems is
an extremely damaging thing to the functioning of democracy. The
reason why I decided to finally do this episode after
(40:10):
pulling little research bits over the course of the past year,
is a tweet from August twentieth quote two whistleblowers have
now confirmed that the NSSA conducted an election audit and
Harris was the winner. Don't fucking ignore this. One hundred
and forty six thousand likes, almost thirty thousand retweets, five
(40:35):
point five million quote unquote views. This went super viral,
one of the biggest instances I've seen in recent election denial.
This viral tweet links to a substack with over fifty
one thousand subscribers and three million views. The focus of
the blog is showing how Kamala Harris really won the
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twenty twenty four election. The recent post cover how a
former CIA operative has confirmed that, based on an NSA
audit of the twenty twenty four election, Kamala actually won.
This was a quote covert compartmentalized forensic audit unquote.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
It's literally just stop the steal. They did this same thing.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
It was completed in December twenty twenty four, and based
on the findings, the NSSA and CIA recommended a hand recount,
but the recount was unable to take place before the
January sixth election certification, and since then the findings of
the audit proving a KAMMLA victory have been covered up
by Tulci, Gabbard and the Trump administration. This blog claims
(41:40):
the election was stolen by hijacking voting machines and quote
illegally copied software, decades of vulnerabilities, and the installation of
a back door through a last minute change order right
before the election unquote. Now there's a few problems with
this theory, the first at which being that the NSSA
does an audit election no.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
What.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
This substacker also operates a still growing TikTok account to
prevent being suppressed from misinformation. The user talks in coded phrases,
calling elections baking contests. State election results are either red
cakes or blue cakes.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Boats are ingredients.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Christ In her most popular video with about seventy five
thousand views, she claims that Trump isn't giving red swing
states FEMA AID because he knows that these states actually
voted for Kamala Harris and so Trump is punishing them
by withholding aid. This is her second most popular video
with fifty thousand views, talking about North Carolina and how
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Elon Musk and Peter Thiel worked together to alter election results.
Speaker 10 (42:52):
Hey y'all, quick update on the baking contest in North
Kakilaki and the cake is in fact who We were
able to identify about one hundred and ninety seven thousand
ingredients that were swapped out by the space baker, So
he and his friend whose name rhymes with seal have
been up to some interesting things when it comes to
these baking contests. So the surveillance Seal and the space
(43:16):
Baker doing some doing some interesting baking. So we need
you to let your media friends know and let all
your let all the people know. We're going to do
an email campaign next week, because that seems to be
how we get this done. We do have avenues to
undo this unholy mess, and just hold on to your hope.
Run over to my friends at the ATE and of
(43:37):
course the Common Coalition. Check out the report. We have
more to report on all of the baking contests that
we're working on. We're still digging. We got more to
go and blue skies ahead, y'all.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
There's something specifically uniquely horrifying about the way that like
just the sort of TikTok language of sewer side or
whatever like that people say like that kind of shit.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
This stuff just makes me really sad. No, it's it's
so like I can't have fun with this anymore.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Oh God, damn it.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
The same thing when I was watching some of the
trump asassination videos, when I realized this is just from
people who are unwell, and I can't even have fun
with this. And that is also the case with a
lot of Q and on stuff. You should be really
careful about how much joy you take in the suffering
of people and people displaying their suffering on the Internet
by engaging in this stuff. But yeah, this stuff's just
really sad. Like in other videos, she's pleading with her
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followers to contact their state governors to convince them to
change all the voting machines because they've been compromised. And
I'll play one more video before we close the episode,
I says over thirty two thousand views. She talks about
Trump using tariffs as leverage to get countries to sign
deals with Elon Musk's Starlink satellites, which will then be
used to control elections worldwide. And the only way to
(45:02):
stop this is to impeach Trump and put Kamala in
the White House since she is the rightful winner of
the twenty twenty four election.
Speaker 10 (45:11):
They take from their constituents now to address the Space Cadet,
And how look at what he launched last year in
record time ten months, this low orbit DTC constellation. And
look at what they're doing with the countries around the world.
To get your tariffs removed, you have to sign a
contract with the Space Cadet. Hello, this is not about
(45:34):
any kind of like you know, internet in the rural areas,
blah blah blah, nothing about this is to be nice. No,
it is to control future contests. The US was not
the endgame. It was the litmus test. So we can
get out of this. We have constitutional avenues to get
out of this situation, but we need Congress to act,
(45:56):
and Congress won't act until the American people know what happened.
And they're not going to know what happened until our
influencers and our media handle the situation. So Rachel Mattow, please,
Lawrence minus touched, for heaven's sake, minus touched. You guys,
four million people, you could be blasting this out and
letting the American people know what happened. Do your jobs, please,
(46:19):
so we can get the rightful people in the House
that they belong in, the big white one.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
I think one of the things that makes me so
insane about these is that, like, if you're actually, I
guess Garrison, you weren't around for this. But like I've
legitimately have lived through two attempts to steal an election, right,
Like there was two thousand, which the Republicans just stole
(46:49):
and then yeah, Donald Trump did try to steal the
election in twenty twenty, but he did it by having
people try to form mobs outside of polling places and
then like his supporters did January. That's a real thing.
But the thing about these conspiracies is like they they
devour reality. They they they consume it and strip it
(47:13):
for its constituent parts. Which is why you see so many,
like you know, used to see so many conspiracies that
would you know if if you look at their giant
conspiracy charts. They're talking about like the structure of the
World Bank and the IMF, and like that's that's where
the Builderberg group stuff comes out of, right, they love charts.
The Builder group stuff is then taking the real structure
(47:33):
of the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank and
then you know, devouring that structure and spinning back out conspiracy.
And that that's what these things do. They take They
take real things that happen in the world and just
devour them and turn them into just nothing. And it
makes it harder to act because like, yeah, we do
(47:54):
live in a world where the Republican Party has like
attempted to or successfully did fel to elections, but not
this one.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
And if this is your mode of resistance of hashtag
resistance against Trump, that's useless. It's completely useless. It's not
actually managing any of the effects of Trump on people
like ICE, like attacks on career people. It's this fully contained,
non non form of fighting.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Yeah, and like like you see you see this, you
see this too on the left of CIA stuff, where
it's like everyone is convinced that like the person they're
arguing with on Twitter like is the CIA, and that
the way that you combat CIA influences by like spreading
I don't know, posting pro asage shit. And it's like
that's not actually substantively combating the influence of the CIA.
It just feels like it is, and that structure of
(48:45):
feeling is so powerful that it prevents you from doing
actual action.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
There has been this new conspiracy theory getting traction on
Blue Sky a lot that the masked people engaged in
Immigration enforcement ICE aren't actually ICE agents. They're secretly quote
j sixers, bounty hunters or thugs, oathkeepers, proud boys. It's
a big assumption to even say they're federal agents. They're
(49:11):
not identified. We have no idea who they are. Could
be proud boys or oath keepers or three percenters unquote.
This is trying to push the blame away from the
US government who is engaging in this action Ice onto
these non state actors, which people in their mind think
are easier targets. And it's just a completely misunderstanding of power,
and it's a misunderstanding of their current political situation, and
(49:33):
it gives you no no ability to actually stop the
bad things ICE are doing. But I've seen this theory
gain a lot of traction online.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
And in the same way that QAnon is a product
of the cognitive dissonance of Trump supporters having to grapple
the fact that the trumpet that their god king is
in power and their lives still suck. This is this
specific one is a product of the cognitive dissonance of
like the fact that these people all supported ICE when
Biden was the Biden was the run running it, when
like Biden and fucking did his executive order to shut
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the border down, right, but Kumboombiden was like doing consration
camps in the desert. They were all pro ICE. And
then they suddenly have to deal with the world where
ICE is doing an ethnic cleansing and they can't process that,
And so the way that they attempt to cope with
it is being like, well, that's actually not the real ice.
That's like J six Proud Boys.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
It's a groper occupied government. They're sending out coded messages
on Twitter. Yeah, it's the same thing me and you
did the episode about a few weeks ago in our
dog Whistle Politics and the Hunt for Coded Nazi Messaging episode.
But yeah, And though some Democratic voters are engaging in
election denial, I think one key difference from twenty twenty
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Republican election denial is that liberal election officials have as
of yet not been willing to participate in this rhetoric
openly or pursue these baseless fraud accusations. This is still
one difference, But I think it's a ticking clock. I
think it's only a matter of time, especially once we
see the midterms, that people running for office debt Democrats
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might start embracing some kind of wing nutty stuff the
same way Marjora Taylor Green, Trojan Horst wing nutty politics
into Congress. And now we see a whole bunch of
other representatives being able to engage in conspiratorial thought on
the right. There's going to be a few instances of this.
I think in the next mid term election for Democrats.
(51:23):
It's something to keep an eye out for because I
think it's only a matter of time. Like what I
mentioned in that CCR you quote, mundane reality is going
to lose because this stuff is just more interesting. People
are going to try to buy it and it requires
constant pushback That doesn't for part one. But there's going
to be another episode tomorrow where I talk with Jack
(51:45):
of the Alt watcher Blue Sky account to discuss the
latest evolution of blue and on and possibly the most
Q and on the extension of blue and On we've
seen yet the Alt National Park Service and their coded
messages being sent out on Blue Sky and Facebook. So
stay tuned for that tomorrow, and remember you are not
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immune to propaganda.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
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