How to Survive The Hottest Summer Ever (So Far)

James, Margaret, and Gare discuss the incredibly hot temperatures impacting much of the world, and talk about ways to survive as global temperatures continue to rise.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi everyone, It's James here, and we have a wonderful
episode for you today on heat and heat illness and
how to protect yourself, for your community and your animals
when it is hot, which it is right now. But
I just wanted to record this little pick up to
tell you that this isn't medical advice, right, we do
this every time we do these. I am not that
kind of doctor, and I am not your doctor, and

(00:20):
I just wanted to reinforce especially that yes, generally, of
you're hot, it's a good idea to drink fluids and
get out of the heat. If someone is losing consciousness
or really really sick, you need to get better medical attention.
Then you can learn how to give on a podcast. Right,
So that's when you call someone whose job is to
look after people. I just wanted to reinforce it. Obviously,

(00:40):
pouring water down the throat of someone who's lost consciousness
is a very dumb idea. So please, if somebody is
seriously and well, seek medical care. Enjoy the episode. All right, Hi,
welcome to It could happen here a podcast where we
someone knows at God, which is what I doing just
before the podcast began. Maybe we'll include that, and today

(01:04):
we're here to talk about how God is smiting us
with massive heat waves. And I'm joined today by Margaret
Kiljoy and Garrison Davis. Say hello everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Hello, everyone one, so cool, soameless, so called thinks.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, my sheeple have joined me. This is what I
get for doing an episode about sheep so as you
will be aware if you are in just about anywhere
in the northern Hemisphere, it is very hot at the minute.
It's very hot in cities in Europe, It's very hot
in the United States. It's very hot in parts of

(01:46):
North Africa and Middle East as well. It's the hottest
June for Hambley years. Garrisonly July that one.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
It is the hottest July, and it is one hundred
and twenty thousand years according to the most recent estimates
released like three days ago as the time of recording.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
So yeah, yeah, And we've had the hottest day in
history like four times in the last month or something.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
In the in the first half of July, we had
we had two days in a row where it was
the two hottest days on record, and then we had
two other two other days that were also the hottest
days on record. It's it's pretty concerning. It's nothing that
people haven't been warning about for many, many decades, but

(02:32):
it's it's bad, and it's very warm.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yep, and it will continue probably to get warmer. So
I think the way we want to approach this is
I'm going to start off with talking about stuff related
to like exertional heat illness, because that's the thing that's
most acutely concerning for people, right, especially if they work outside,
if they recreate outside, if they're doing stuff outside where
they can't get out of the heat. So I think

(03:00):
to start off if I want to talk about things that
might make you predisposed, and then I'm going to expend
a little bit of how the body cools, and then
some of these different stages of heat illnesses and how
one might go about treating those or seeking further care
if you need to. Right, So to start out with,
there are some things that can make you predisposed to
heat illness. Right, The biggest predisposition I've come across my

(03:23):
reading is previously having heat illness. So I can certainly
speak to this. Yeah, Like I think I got heat
stroke for the first time. It was racing by in Spain,
I think, but I then remember getting it again racing
bikes in Vietnam and just like being really bad, like

(03:43):
having to have ivy fluids, like vomiting sort of even
some like sort of not loss of consciousness, but definitely
like confusion and erratic behavior and stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
And the line between that and dying is pretty narrow, right.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
You can have like multiple organ failure and stuff certainly
if yeah, if you don't respond to that or if
you misdiagnose that, and that's definitely like I'm someone with diabetes, right,
so people can sometimes if you're erratic or confused, people
can assume your hypoglycemic and you need some sugar, but
you don't in that situation. We need to fluids and
electrolytes and to be cooled quickly. So yeah, that is yeah,

(04:25):
you can die. People do die. Actually, the mortality is
quite high. Like I to prepare for this, so I
want to look at Advanced Wilderness Life Support course. I did,
and people can look it up. AWLS University of Utah
does one, and you can act as lots of the
stuff online for free. But they would think the mortality

(04:45):
is quite high from these like heat illnesses, and I
think that's probably especially true in wilderness medicine, because it
can be hard to cool someone down, right if you
don't have means of Like if you don't have access
to ice, you obviously not got air conditioning out there.
If the best thing you probably have is running water,
hopefully you have running water, right, And I think probably

(05:06):
it's something that people might not have been concerned with
unless they either lived in a very hot place or
a very active people, or who travel a lot before.
So yeah, if you've had heat illness before, then you
do need to be careful and you will probably know
if you've had it before. But if we go through
all the symptoms that you've had them all and never
I guess got diagnosed, and lucky you, maybe you just

(05:27):
found out you had heat illness and other things that
can predispose you can be a lack of acclimation. Again,
like this is one that I think kind of stands
to reason for most people. But like if you go
from a cold place to hot place, or the place
you are suddenly becomes hot having been cold, it's going
to take you a few days a week to become
a climatized to that heat, right, and your body will

(05:50):
change things about your body will change, so we don't
need to go into But it's also that I don't
think so. I think so back when I was exercising
more seriously, I would we would do heat acclimation by
going in a sauna after a training ride, and the

(06:11):
idea was like, you gave yourself this big bout of
heat stress and then then you could go back and
cool down. Right, So I think if you were in
acy for most of the day, it was okay, I'm
sort of guessing here, but if getting that bout of
heat stress and then recovering and get just like any
other training that you're doing, seems but if you.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Go outside into the heat and then come back into
the cool, you're still acclimating yourself.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yes, compared to just hanging out in you know, somewhere
where it's cold all the time. And you do want it.
You don't want to overdo it, right, You don't want
to be like, oh, yeah, I'm going to acclimate. Time
to go for a ten mile round, like, ease into it,
make sure you're hydrating, make sure you're taking breaks in
the heat. There's also a lack of conditioning, right, so
that's why you see a lot of heat illness. Maybe

(06:56):
that's the first time I got heat stroke was like
pre season workouts for like especially like collegiate athletes and things,
or athletes who are more seasonal athletes. So people who
have been parked on their backside for a few months
are in class or whatever, and then they come and
start doing a rigorous training regime that can that can
predispose you, right, so they can cause you to be

(07:17):
more likely to get heat illness. And then there are
some medications, right, so you'd probably say on your medications,
but things like beta block is, actiohistor meines, diuretics, you
don't want to be drinking too much alcohol, and some
conditions to heart disease, skin disease, existing dehydration fever obviously, right,
your temperatures high to begin with, and diarrhea and vomiting

(07:40):
which can cause their dehydration. Right, So, looking, if you
have diarrhea and vomiting, it's not a good idea to
also be going out and exposing yourself to a lot
of heat. Right, So all of those things can make
you more predisposed. But you can have none of those
things and still get heat illness. I think the way

(08:00):
to understand it is like the way we'll talk about
the way our body cools, so it does set through evaporation.
People will be familiar with sweating. Most people sweat, and
so if you the sweating allows your body to cool, right,
The evaporation of the sweat allows your body to cool.
So people who don't sweat, or people who have injuries

(08:21):
which means they don't sweat some of their body again,
are at a higher risk for heat illness. Right.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
More less assties into wet bulb temperature and the fact
that if you're in a more humid place, you have
to consider the heat very differently, right, And so yeah, yeah,
the East coast versus the southwest, for example, of the
United States, will have very different options available to them,

(08:48):
both inside and outside about how to cool down. Based
on knowing the humidity outside is going to be as
important for people as knowing the actual temperature.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yes, definitely, and most of the time now, if you're
using a phone app, put think most people are doing
to check the wather that you can find that it
will give you the humidity and not give you a
wet bulb or like a real feel temperature. But certainly,
like I was recently on a trip to the Marshall Islands,
and I was running and like eighty five, and I'll
run at eighty five all the time. I was dying

(09:22):
because the humidity was so high. So yeah, whether how
humidity is high, you're not going to be able to
cool as much, right, so you need to be more
careful radiation that that's when your body is shedding heat
through like I guess electromagnetic energy. That makes up most
of your cooling when the ambrient temperatures are less than

(09:42):
body temperature. So once the ambient temperature is above your
body temperature, I think in fahrenheit, it's like ninety six
point six, your body's going to be relying on other methods, right,
that one's not going to work conduction. Conduction doesn't really
make up much of It's not really that from a
way to cool it doesn't really make much difference. But

(10:03):
like people will be familiar with conduction if you've ever
slept without a sleeping pad, if you've been camping, you'll
realize how much colder you get on cold ground. And
then the last one is convection, right, So that's heat
transfer between the body and then moving gas or liquid.
That's why wind chills the thing, okay, because that air's
whipping past you rate calling you down. And that's also

(10:25):
the convection is one that we can use to cool
people down if they overheat, right, like jump in the creek,
so yes, or if we don't have a creek, we
can get you wet and then fan you. Okay, maybe
we can if we're outside and we have those big
thermos sleeping pads, we can get some air moving that
way and help you cool down. If we know the

(10:46):
ways the body cools, then we can maybe use those right,
And we have to understand, like you said, the relative
humidity read so when our body gets hot, especially when
it starts to overheat, it'll shun some blood to the
skin right vase of it will also increase cardiac output
and increase catecula means which activate the sweat glands. So

(11:09):
the hypothalamus will also regulate heat production in the body.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
And there's been two so I don't understand two of
the words you've recently used.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
But okay, which way the words which are the words
about the.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
The cacophony and the means.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Okay, it's sufficient to say that the body you start
to sweat more and your body begins to regulate how
heart it makes itself.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Okay, I got that one kind of from contact. But
what's this next one?

Speaker 1 (11:38):
I gues see. Hypothalamus is like your your body is
kind of internal regulator, and what it's doing is it's
in this case, it's regulating the heat production of your body. Dude,
it's trying to it's not making you hotter from the inside.
I guess that's probably a terrible explanation. Okay, so let's

(12:02):
go through the different stages of heat illness. We can
start off with things that people will be I think
we can probably skip like sunburn. Many of us will
be familiar with somebur many it will have been sunburned.
Many of us will understand hopefully we're wearing us suncream
when we go outside, right or just wearing our suncream
and covering ourselves up from the sun, not just like

(12:23):
running around with our skin exposed to the sun when
it's one hundred and ten or what have you. So
step up from there would be heat cramps, and cramps
can come from various things, right, Like, I think not
all cramps are caused by sodium depletion or potassium depletion.
People sometimes think that it's a potassium thing. Some of
them can just be caused byever exertion. It can be

(12:47):
your body's way of being like hey stop. So like,
if you know, if it's fifty degrees out and you're
trying to run your fastest tank care and you have cramps,
that's not a heat thing. That's just your body being like, okay,
you're not ready for this. Yeah, that's kind of my
experience with running. Yeah. Yeah, your body's actively rejected it. Yeah,

(13:08):
it's because it knows.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
I tried to join the track when I was in
ninth grade to impress a girl. Neither part of that worked.
I'm sorry to hear. That's fine, but it's for the best.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
I'm glad that you can share that with the audience.
Oh that was just wait, oh no, someone's listening. Yeah anyway.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah. Unfortunately, So if heat cramps, right, they're mostly going
to be in your carves. People will be familiar with
the sensation of a cramp. I'm sure when we're experiencing
heat cramps, we want to obviously cool off, stop doing
the thing. So if we're running, it's time to stop running.
If we're cycling, time stop cycling, unlikely you're getting where

(13:45):
you get you get swimming, there's other kinds of cramps.
But you know, if we're exercising, it's good to stop,
it's good to cool down, it's good to rehydrate. So
that's where you're going to start with your oral salt solution.
And generally from what I've seen, it's a sodium thing,
so that that's just like a quarter to half a
teaspoon of table salt and a liter of water.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
This is the electrolyte thing that people talk about. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
And as we get further into like these heat illnesses,
one of the things that you want to be careful of.
You're trying to rehydrate some when it's overloading a carbohydrate,
so you want a less than six percent carbohydrate solution.
That can mean just not pounding gatorade, which I think
can be like the sort of standard response for some

(14:31):
people because it just it doesn't empty quite as quickly
at something which has a lower carbohydrate content. Right, Okay,
but people who.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Are drinking stead drinking straight water doesn't rehydrate you as
effectively as drinking electrolytes. Right, Like, if it's really hard out,
you pretty much need to be hydrating with electrolytes. This
is unless you're like eating a salty snack or something.
This is what I've heard from people.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, there's a thing called hypernatremia, which is when you
the opposite that's like low sodium, right, then that's that
can happen sometimes from just drinking straight water without any sodium.
It happens rarely, but it definitely can happen. It can
happen in like backcountry travel where people don't think they're
exerting themselves, they're just kind of walking and drinking a

(15:18):
lot of water. It can happen in marathons, like it
happens sometimes in marathons people are just taking the water
from the age station to just drinking the water. Yeah,
it's never like it's you know, when it's hot, if
you're having you know, when I was bike racing, I
used to do one drink of water and one drink
of electrolyte, even in the heat, pretty much like one bottle.

(15:38):
There are two bottles on a bicycle thing. I think
that's a fine thing to do if you're in the
heat and in you're exercising, you don't need to be
smashing gatorade all the time because that's a lot of sugar,
and it might that will also not empty from your stomach. So,
you know, a modern sports drink should have the right solution.
You know, there are lots of brands. I'm not going
to recommend one, but there are lots of different brands

(16:01):
which should have a decent sort of four or five
percent carbo hydrate solution, and I think one that tastes
nice to you. And then we move from there into
a couple of different things, heat exhaustion and heat syncope.
Heat syncope is when you'll see people like fall over,
and it happens often, like the only time I've seen

(16:22):
it happen is people stopping after like a long run,
like specifically like when they push themselves really hard, right,
And it can actually be it can be people who
are not particularly dehydrated or hypothermic, but a sort of
a long run and heat you're not acclimated to. It
can blood can pull in the legs, and it's it's

(16:46):
often people who ilderly are not very well acclimated, and
it's normally when they're standing and stationary, and that's something
that you can treat by elevating the feet, where's the
personal lies down, and then just getting them out of
direct some sunlight and helping them rehydrate, right, So helping
them cool, rehydrate, You're going to see that in nearly

(17:07):
all of these cases, cooling someone off it's the most
important thing to do. So next time we talk about
heat exhaustion again, like you'll know something is wrong in
these situations, right, Like if someone's just just like falling over,
you will know something is wrong. If someone's yeah, then
in case he's like you'll know like having had heat
exhaustion heat stroke, like you yourself will also know. There

(17:30):
are certain like like ecstasy is a big one, like
when people people quite often get heat illness when they're
like at raves on ecstasy. And that's just because obviously
like altered state of mind plus douncing uh plus plus
this drug, which is you know, your body is not
not making its usual responses, I guess, and that can

(17:52):
be so like you know, if it's one hundred and
ten out, maybe that's not the time to be doing
MBMA and raving car if.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Cop behavior James, Yeah, yeah, I can stand by and
here and just as you spread this m d M
A slander people should. People should absolutely be knowledgeable about
what causes serotonin syndrome and be careful about mixing other substances.
But I cannot have you just disparage the good name.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Of M d m A like this.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Oh I will, I will take it one step further
and tell you that, at least with my research, both
caffeine and alcohol make it far more likely for you
to suffer dehydration and related heat dehydration.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yes, this is this is just that this is an
actual problem that people should mix up. Like with M
D m A. This is something to look up because
because of the way it affects your serotonin levels, it
can cause you to overheat if you take too much
or come out with other things, or if you're in
a hot, sweaty, crowded room you're dancing too much without
taking breaks. This is a thing to consider.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yes, yeah, I had. There was a person it was.
I think it was reference in the in the course
I did where they wore talk about using a drone
a rave to identify people who are hypothermic, and like,
that's like your to want step away from the dance floor,
like to identify people who are at risk, which is an

(19:19):
interesting idea. That's cool, I think, yeah, So just you
know something to consider as you go forward with yourselber plants.
So other signs, right, tiredness, weakness, dizziness, headache, fainting, norse,
your vomiting, muscle cramps, norse, you're vomiting, it's ralph. I
remember that the worst heat onness I've ever had was

(19:40):
in Vietnam doing a bike race. One of the rules
in a bike race is that you can't take supplies
from your support car in the last fifty kilometers, and
it was just so hot, and I remember being like,
I'm baking inside my skull. I'm baking it aside my skull,
like and I'd been previously in like a little group
in front of the main groups. I also hadn't been

(20:01):
able to access water from my car then and then
drop we got caught by the main group, is what happened.
And I remember being like, okay, good, Now I can
get my eye socks and put them down my back
and I can get my cold water. And then I
went back and the guy was like, no, no, no,
it's like it's like forty nine kilometers and I was like, oh,
this is bad. This is really fucking bad and it

(20:22):
was really bad. Did you be I'm sure, Yeah I did.
I finished the race. Congrats, No, terrible decision at the
picture somewhere my teammates put me in a shower with
like my legs above my head it which was just
like water boarding me with cold water, and I was
given ivy fluid and they were all like, oh, this

(20:44):
is bad. He's not he's not in a good way. Yeah. Yeah,
then you know sport is good for you. Keep sporting
out there, kids. Everyone was very concerned for me.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
My All the stuff I came up with was like
stay inside, don't there yourself, like avoid caffeine and alcohol. Yeah,
if you want to push yourself past your limits, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Don't know. It's bad. But we did everything wrong right
like it was in December the race, because the Asian
Tour doesn't take a break at like the December and
a few time it takes a break from Ramadan. So
obviously coming from the United States, we were relatively less
fit than we would have been. We were not acclimated.
I had a fat beard, which did not help, and

(21:31):
like my hair was longer than it is now, My
body was not losing heat. Everything was I doing this
this race, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, going out there like
full like if there's nothing that what is more white
man on the left and you know, got a white
dude with a beard. It's like all of them, right,
and bacon and marks and you have to try it. Yeah,

(21:55):
don't do that. Don't do that to yourself. We talked
about heats and cope and the last one is heat stroke.
So what differentiates heat stroke from heat exhaustion is that
higher body temperature above forty degrees celsius, which is one
hundred and three one hundred and four fahrenheit. If youre
seeing one hundred and three, it's time to pick up
the telephone and call nine on one if you can,
if you're in an area where you can do that.

(22:16):
But it doesn't matter it to one hundred and three
one hundred and four. I guess it's that you're very hot.
At that point, you're going to have hot, red skin,
a fast strong pulse, headache, dizziness, naughtia, confusion. People can
also lose consciousness. So this is very serious, right, and
the line between this and really serious lasting complications is

(22:39):
quite quite small, So you do need to be very
extremely concerned. I will say that, like when you're taking
someone to temperature, taking it at the extremities is not
necessarily going to give you the best idea of what
their core body temperature is, right, So that for the

(23:00):
reason that like if they're hot, if like if it's hot,
they're hot on the outside, right, like an ear or
what have you. And then if you if you've then
tried to cool the person and you're seeing like a
lower body temperature in their hand or if you're yeah,
if their hands been in ice, you know, in ice bath,
then you might see a cooler temperature there. And that
there are like rectal probes are used for this not

(23:21):
something to be doing in a sort of non consensual manner.
They're not really something to be doing unless you're like
a medical professional. But if you're so, just don't don't
be relying. I guess that you know, people have those
little heat guns that they like to use and stuff
might not be the most reliable source of information.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Although it might be useful for the initial diagnosis, right.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, even then, like if even if you can just
do an ooral thermometer as opposed to like the temperature
if your forehead is X. Yeah, like if it's one
hundred and ten, then the temperature of your forehead is
going to be hot, right.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, totally kind of.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Versus you know, you're trying to get as inside as possible.
I guess.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
I remember people doing cooling experiments where you had to
take a pill when it measured your internal temperature and
well bluetoothed out or something. Yeah, so that's fun times.
I think that's cool. I want one rescue in it.
Later sounds like not fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it does

(24:26):
make an exit from the body. So with this again, right,
you want to cool the person down, and the way
we can do that it's like ice packs right in
the groin, neck and scalp. So I used to do
like just tights, Like if you're wearing tights, put ice
in those and put those down my back of my
cycling jersey, you know cycling. You can put them in

(24:47):
the groins, obviously the person has become like a heat casualty.
You can put them in the groin, armpits, the like
the neck, and you can also if you don't have
access to a c obviously you've got you can put
the person in an air conditioned environment to help them
cool down, you can put them in an ice bath.
You'll see that, like at hot weather events. I'm trying

(25:10):
to think there are a lot of other conditions, so
you'll see a hot weather events we don't really have
time to talk about. Things like rabdough are very very
concerning if someone's exercising in the heat. But you'll often
see at the end of hot events in first day
tents they're popping people in ice bas to cool them down.
They've got some of these symptoms, like fifteen twenty minutes
I think is how long you want to put them

(25:31):
in there for. But like if you're starting to feel headache, dizziness,
and nausea, I guess my big take home here is
to get out of the sun, stop exercising if you're exercising,
and start hydrating. If you're not hydrating with with that
carbohydrate solution, you're looking to drop that cool temperature, that
core temperature below that kind of danger zone, right, and

(25:52):
I really get it back to where what's to be,
which I think in fahrenheit's around ninety six point six.
You you probably don't want to actively cool someone all
the way down because you can overshoot and they can
get hypothermic and so like, then they can get too
cold if you're like you know, dumping them in a
freezer or like you know, actively calling them to aggressively.

(26:17):
So that's something to be concerned with as well. And
you don't want the person to start shivering because the
body's trying to heat yourself back up at that point,
so you can't be uber aggressive. But I think having
said all this, like I said, the big take home
is like, if you start to feel sick, dizzy underwell,

(26:37):
when you're outside in the heats, get out the heat,
get some water, get in the shade if you can,
get their conditioning if you can. If you're at a
job site, you know, if there's like a trailer where
you with that's air conditioned, go in the trailer. Like
it's not worth your life, even if it's your job.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
You want to know it's fun?

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Is that what's fun?

Speaker 3 (26:57):
In the United States, there's no federal law that says
you can't make people work in the hot weather without
hell yeah, some states less than half. I don't have
the notes in front of me. I have the notes
for a different thing I recorded recently. Some states like
sixteen of them or sometime maybe have laws against working

(27:18):
people outside and the heat, but most states don't. The
federal government is like considering one right now, but that
is like probably years away before it could be enacted.
But it's like basic worker protections, like don't have people
work outside without enough stuff to make sure they don't.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Die of it. Consider forming a union. Yeah, google Blair
Mountain for more information on how to respond if you're
not allowed here, if you're not allowed to take breaks
for the heat. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. Talking of how
capitalism is killing us all, Margaret, it's time for us
to break for some adverts so things people can buy.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Oh we have we have some breaking news here, folks.
We have some breaking sheep news. So it turns out
during during during James's Last Sheep episode, he talked about

(28:22):
having Texel sheep when it's actually Tesl sheep, so this is.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Pretty No, they're definitely Texels.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Who's pretty exciting here. Who is the largest northwestern islands
of the of the Netherlands. It's one of those European
places where where the pronouncidation, where the pronunciation does not
match how it's written, and it's Tessel sheep. Not textel sheep.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
So this is.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Pretty exciting for me, and usually James gets to make
fun of how I pronounce words. Now and now now
now looks so here we go?

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Here we should we? I mean, should we move into
like machinations versus machinations or should we just move on?

Speaker 2 (29:11):
No?

Speaker 1 (29:11):
I think we can just move on here where We'll
just start a Buenos Aires and move from there. Yeah, Garrison,
the Speaker of Free, I have.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
A hard life. They did not teach me how to
say words in Canada. It was all I know. It
was tongues. In the school. We couldn't We didn't actually
learn much much English, so much woods.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, don't worry again. Yeah, we're we're all learning as
we go. You see, there we go. Yeah, I've just
I've just learned that that the place is called Tehsel
and then that's the sheep from there.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Is there an X in it or something?

Speaker 2 (29:48):
No?

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yes, when you're yeah, is there an X all the time?
T E X C L Yeah, I always see, but
X sounds the X sounds like an S. Yeah speaking Yeah, fascinating. Yeah. Wow,
And all my life I've been misnaming the very sheep

(30:09):
that many of you enjoyed hearing about sad.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
That no wonder the sheep weren't coming when you called.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
They felt no they come disrespected.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yeah, well never mind.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah, Well, to be fair, I just go out there
and say sheep. So you know I'm hedging my beds
with the pronunciation of that one.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Well you want to talk about animals and heat waves,
I would love to, Yeah, tell me it was me
what to do with your sheep, But I talk about
humans and heat and heat waves. So actually, ironically, one
of the things that I learned I don't know whether
or not applies to sheep. I was talking before this
to one of my professional animal friends who has worked
in veterinary clinics and also as a professional horse person.

(30:53):
So there's some stuff to know, right for all of
our all of the people who aren't humans. Different animals
need different electrolyte feel formulas if you are going to
feed them electrolytes, and for example, dogs need more sugar
and less salt because they their bodies don't get rid
of salt as much. Right, they don't really sweat nearly

(31:14):
so much. Occasional pedialyte or some other like non gator
ady thing is fine. Every now and then, and probably
gatorides probably fine every now and then. But don't be
like like you can go hiking and just drink electrolytes, right,
not sugar water, but electrolytes. But don't do that with
your dog, even if it's super hot out. There is

(31:34):
dog specific stuff and there's formulas you can look up
for dog specific making your own. Don't shave your pets.
This is the one that I don't know if applies
to sheep.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
My friend said, this does not apply to sheep. You
have to share there. You want to have to share
your sheep or else they will overheat and die.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, okay, yeah, you want to share your sheep. Yeah.
Some animals you want to shave. Some animals you don't.
If you have animals, you should look this up ahead
of time. Some people like run out and shave their
cats and dogs if a heatwave. This is a very
bad thing. The hair is designed to protect them from
the sun. Also, especially like if you have a dog
with a double coat, it does a lot of weird

(32:12):
heat transfer stuff and it's really kind of cool and magic.
Brushing and grooming are very good. If your dog is
like slow to its summer coat or it's summer is
suddenly here eleven months of the year, or as I predict,
there's going to be two seasons. There's going to be summer,
which will last for nine months, and then there's going
to be hell mouth, which will replace what was previously summer.

(32:36):
Don't take your dog out in the hottest weather. It
is better that your dog pisses inside it gets heat stroke.
It is harder to identify heat stroke and a dog,
but if the dog is like panting a particular amount,
there's like other things about looking at the gums and eyes.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
I got bitten by a dog that was having a
heat stroke on my god, forsdy Li. It was good.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
I feel bad for both the animals involved in this.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah good, feel fairly secure in saying that the people
who were looking off to dog on listening, but like, yeah,
they made a series of very poor choices. Yeah yeah,
and like it wasn't nice.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Hiking is my main activity and it is like my
main bonding with me and my dog, and I am
not doing it during a lot of the heat wave,
and I'm finding other ways. I'm you know, because I'm
I have to drive a decent way to go hiking,
right so I can't do it early in the morning
unless they wake up earlier than I want to. But
if you are going to do as sid activities with

(33:31):
both yourself or with an animal, consider doing them at
early in the morning or late in the evening or
mid the night.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
I don't want it whatever.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
If you have animals that can't come inside, because overall,
what it was going to apply to your animals is
it was going to apply to humans, like get them
into the ac Like what are you doing? But a
lot of animals you don't have a room for inside,
right unless you're a medieval Irish peasant, in which case
I've read way too much about how much those animals
live inside.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, cows under the house, so the warmth comes up.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
So you want a crossbreeze in your barn or coop
or whatever. If it's a coop, you want to make
sure there's a place at the top for air to
come escape. And you don't want the like box style
coop with only one entrance. If you're dealing with heat waves,
you want a lot of cool water that is easy
to drink. And so a lot of people who normally
feed their animals with like the nipple style feeders different animals,

(34:26):
you have different ways of watering them. No, no nipple
style feeders. During a heat wave, the animal needs to
be able to get into the get the water easily.
For chickens, you might want to bring your nesting boxes
down to the ground floor where it's cooler. You also
might want to consider insulating the coop, like with hay bales,
for example, you can stack them up next to your coop.

(34:48):
Horses have yet another electrolyte mix. My horse professional friend
uses one called Gallagher's Water, but points out that it's
like mostly bougie people use it when they're when most
people have horses are bougie, but not all of them
right at least where I live other places.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Okay, so.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
It's only necessary in extreme circumstances. It's only better than
water in extreme circumstances. Most animals do very well with
just drinking water. And also you can probably consider if
you live somewhere wester than I do, you can consider
misting systems if you have the money and the infrastructure.

(35:26):
And misting systems is basically just like it pumps water
out into a mist and the mist cools everything down
and below about seventy percent humidity. They're fairly effective. Below
fifty percent of humidity, they're incredibly effective. And so they
and it's not that you get wet, it's that they do.
It's like it's like the air is sweating, the air.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Is They're like you have in if you go to
restaurants in Phoenix outside they have them. Yeah. I bought
some really cheap of like Craigslist, like super cheap. I think,
I hot you, I just have to go and get them.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Yeah, but no, I'm like so jealous because it wouldn't
work where I live.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
You can't use them because of a high humidity.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
I mean they do a little bit here, but not
very effectively.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yeah, I know your chickens don't want to be living
in a too damp environment. Could be that that it lungs,
so don't be running one inside all the time. Yeah,
and againside, but I think it's certainly like my chickens
will go around it when it's hot. It seems to it.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
And one person I talked to and this is like
I did a bunch of research about this, but it's inconclusive.
One person I talked to during the wildfire smoke actually
set up a particulate set up a misting system because
mist picks up and drops particular matter to the cloud.
There's a lot of research that says that this particulate
absorption happens. There is no research to say this is

(36:53):
how you handle wildfire smoke with outside animals, but that
is something that at least one person I heard from
is doing, and science backs it up for human animals
in terms of preparedness. Just to run through all this
stuff that I've been keeping track of the way that
you're going to deal with all this if you're not outside, right,
if you're outside and you're dealing with the stuff, you're

(37:14):
going to use what James talked about and like keep
track of how you're feeling and get into the AC.
I mean, the main thing you want to do is
get into AC right. You don't want to distrenuous exercise.
You want to check alerts on your phone or your
weather radio. If you're a cool prepper and have like
a little weather radio, you probably want to use the
buddy system outside if it's getting really hot, if you can, right,

(37:34):
just like having someone who can keep track of what
you're doing. If you don't have another way to get
to AC consider public libraries and other places. This is
a very good actor time look after your neighbors. And
some of your neighbors are housed and might not have AC.
Some of your neighbors don't have houses and probably don't
have AC unless they live in their vehicles, in which

(37:55):
case they might have some AC, but not all vehicles do.
And so it's a very good time to look after people.
Whether it's giving people rides to public cooling centers, or
whether it's setting up public cooling centers, or they're just
letting your neighbor who like come over because your AC
is working and theres isn't.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
You want to.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
I mean, one thing that you want to do is
to accept that what we're dealing with isn't normal. And
I'll get to that in a moment. But so if
you're a renter, you have fewer options, right in terms
of like structural preparedness, there are some things that you
can do. Running fans, unless you're a podcaster, Running fans
is a very good idea. If you have ceiling fans,
you want to make sure that during the summer they

(38:36):
run counterclockwise and during the winter they run clockwise. So
it's just look and be like I wanted to push
air down, and you can visualize the direction it'll turn
to push air down, and that's the summer one.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
I want change the direction they spin.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Yes, there is a little switch on every ceiling fan.
I can see the one behind you.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
I can. Don't do it if you look on the screen. No,
don't be a coward. Garrison like, walk me through it. Okay,
I think I see it now.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, but closer off and want me to put my
arm up and then do it.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
It's less because you're going to stick your head in
there so you can get a good look at what.
Oh ah, no, Garrison's deceased.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Oh well, good thing they left me their Gester costume.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
You'll never find out any more about cops.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Cop City has to end because there's no other way
for us to find out about it. They finally stopped,
all right, So other things that you can do. Evaporative
cooling is the coolest thing in the world. Again, if
you're not in a human area. This is why humidity
is absolutely terrible. And I picked the wrong part of
the country to be from wet Bandana's wet clothing. There's

(39:53):
actually like it's kind of sad. Was saying that there's
no labor protections about heat. Some farm workers like developed
a like an immigrant farm worker developed a cooling vest
system that she's like working on that. There's like articles
about where it's it just uses avaporative cooling to cool people.
And it's like one of those things where I'm like
that rules and also it's absolutely awful that that's like

(40:15):
where we're at. Where we're at, you know, is not like, oh,
let's have better labor practices and stuff. And if you
have a house, if you have like a place that
you can really do preparedness for, there's I mean, we'll
just get an air conditioner. Don't run your air conditioner

(40:36):
as like low as it'll go. It just doesn't actually
make things any cooler. Air conditioners are generally designed and
only cool things. I want to say, was it like
thirty degrees below outside temperature or something?

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah, And I think also depends on like the size
of the relative space you're cooling and a BTU.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Well, so I'm saying that they're sized for that by
like regulation. If someone comes in as like, oh, what
size AC should I put into this house, it's going
to be I want this size house to be be
cooled thirty degrees.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
I think it's thirty degrees.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
It might be twenty four, okay, And so if you
run your fans, you actually can keep your thermostat up
about four degrees. And if you don't have it, if
you don't have AC, there's a lot you can do
with like thermal mass right is your friend. Like if
you have a you can choose which house you're going
to live in. Living in brick houses is great or
adobe houses. It depends on where you live and what

(41:28):
your climate is. You want to keep your curtains closed
during the day and open at night if you're trying
to keep out the sun, but then let out the
heat into the cool night air, assuming that there's still
cool night air. Depends on where you live. As we
enter into this nightmare world, Reflective window insulationy things like
the thing that you put in your windshield can help.

(41:48):
There's like stuff you can do when you accept that
it's an emergency and you can okay. But then the
other thing is that running AC's puts a lot of
strain on power grid, and we're already starting to see
more grid failure, usually in the brown out style rather
than the blackout style. But when everyone's running their AC,

(42:10):
the grid is not designed to handle it, and there
are problems, and so one you get these like city
wide text alerts that are like, hey, everyone, please turn
up your AC like turned down whatever, make your AC
less cold cold. And this is an example of something
that we should do and listen to. But it's really

(42:31):
fucking annoying because it's not our fucking fault that the
world is heating up, right, And they're not like turning
off Times Square. They're telling everyone, you know, they're not
turning off the ads. Yeah, speaking of ads, it's a.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Good time to pivot to some some more stuff. Yea,
even it is waste wasting power.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Even in the emergency, there's still the ads.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Here you go.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
And we're back.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Hopefully. It was for gold, which is useless in the
death of the nurse. I just want to throw that
out there.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Yeah, but it does keep its value compared to.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Cash, just until neither of them have that.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
That's why whiskey Oh wait, no, wait, mutual.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Aid Now, that's why I've been stacking up on my
on my series of John's Version inspired n f T
s that I minted last year, and oh boy, have
they only grown in value? Am I. I'm telling you
this is that, this is what's gonna hold me through whenever,
whenever you know, the thing happens.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yep, I will be at your door with my wanting
to try ammunition for apes, as I always am. Find
me in the group chat.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
But there's one other group of people that I want
to talk about really quickly about who we should check
in on, and that is prisoners. There is no way
from my point of view, I'm gonna have a lot
of bias here. There is no way for us to
justly face a climate emergency while we live in a
carcoral society in Texas. This is where most of the

(44:17):
news is right now. But that's not like it's better
other places. As far as I can tell, in Texas,
since mid June, between nine and twenty three prisoners have
died from heat, but no one knows because Texas refuses
to say that anyone has died from heat. They haven't
done that since I believe twenty twelve is the last
time they admitted someone died from heat. However, two thirds

(44:39):
of Texas prisons don't have air conditioning, and a bunch
of people are dying randomly of heart attacks in their
thirties because they're dying of heat.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Jesus correct.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
I think earlier in the first few weeks of July,
when it was getting very, very hot, I believe it,
it was a pretty young woman died in the Fulton
County jail here in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Sure, and it's they're doing an investigation to see why.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
So yeah, oh.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Good, don't worry. The Texas State House passed money to
put AC into prisons and then the Senate rejected it.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Cool. Big thing is the money, because not much money
in law enforcement, so I can see how they're struggling
to afford that.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Otherwise, Yeah, there was a oh I didn't write down
the numbers in my script, but there was like a
many millions of dollar budget surplus that they didn't apply to. Oh,
I don't know. Not having people die for having been
accused of owning weed.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Yeah, I don't know. Whatever.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
I get really fucking mad about this, and I think
that it is.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Like it's fucking horrific.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Okay, and then the last thing I really want to
say is that this was the hottest month right that
any of us have ever experienced. It will be the
coolest month in our memory at some point, you know,
or rather whatever, it's not getting.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Coolest July our in our memory at some point.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Yeah, yeah, like next year might be a little bit
cooler because of natural cycles or whatever. Right, but it's
not coming back. We're not going back to normal. And
for me, this month marks a sea change literally and
that the Arctic Antarctic ice did not come back this winter.
It's winter right now in Antarctica and there's a five

(46:33):
or six standard deviation away from normal amount of ice
there right now. Five to six standard deviations is more
than if you flipped a coin one hundred times and
it came up heads every single time. It is like
more than a one in three point five million chance.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Right.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
It is a very big number. It is a very
abnormal thing. Nothing like this has ever been seen before.
And I don't want to say this to make people afraid,
because I don't think we need to be. For whatever.
Fear is complicated. You can't be brave unless you're afraid,
That's what I will say. You cannot have courage. Courage
is the act of responding to fear, and we should

(47:12):
notice the fear and not let it control us. But
it really is time for people to very seriously look
at not what's going to happen by twenty fifty, but
what is happening now, What is happening now, what will
happen in the next three years, the next five years,
the next ten years, and start making decisions based on that.

(47:36):
That is what I want. I don't want to tell
people what those decisions are. I want people to get
together with the people that they care about and figure
out what those decisions are. One of the things that
I would recommend is building resilient communities, is looking at
how to build communities right, And there's a lot of ways.
A lot of like scenes can become communities, a lot
of extended families can become communities. A lot of religious

(47:57):
organizations are communities. Okay, how and then how to make
them resilient? How to collectively look at how to handle
these things, whether it's literally just having a plan for like, Okay,
if the power goes out, who has the whole house
generator where I live? Someone around being has god to

(48:18):
have a whole house generator. I don't have one. I
want one, but they're expensive. Whose AC is still going
to be running when the power goes out? Right, or
whether it's like, hey, how can we collectively help each
other's houses have rain water catchment systems? Right? How can
we collectively be building up food sovereignty as well as

(48:43):
food storage? How can we have I want to see personally,
I want to see days of workshops at community centers
of all different ideological compositions getting together and being like,
here's how you can food, Here's how you dry food.
Here is how you set up mesh networks.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
I just.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
I think it's time. I think that I'm tired of saying, hey,
bad stuff might be coming because it's not might be coming.
Now it's here and it's really bad. And I think
people stick to the might be coming because they're afraid
of despair. And I will say that despair is not good, right,

(49:25):
but the but that is something that we can fight.
How do we fight despair? Is also part of this?
And that the answer to that is agency, and when
we can find ways to act with agency, that is
I mean, there's like studies about like in disasters, people
who express agency have like less PTSD right when bad
things happen. Yeah, and even if the agency, like I

(49:46):
mean I remember all at one point getting arrested, right,
and being like, all right, well, I'm keeping track of
like I know that cops badge number, I know, I
know this. I'm keeping track of stuff in case there's
a lawsuit later. I totally lost that lawsuit, but like
that helped me get through that situation. Right, everyone else
won the lawsuit, but because I was in black block,
I did not win the lawsuit.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
That's that's funny, that's funny. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Anyway, Actually it might have been because I refused to
give my name anyway, whatever, it was a long time ago,
and kiss film this and just so yeah, act with agency.
That is the solution. The solution it is. It's like, like,
it's not the solution to despair. It's a way to
deal with it. In the same way that we're not
looking at solutions to climate change anymore. We're looking at

(50:33):
ways to deal with it, right because it's already here.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Some of the episodes that me and Robert research to
put together for the original, like could happen near season
two stuff is Yeah, a lot of us talking about
like a mitigation versus adaption, And almost every day it
looks like we're getting more and more committed to just
all a full adaption model, because these things are really
not going to be like the most common widespread effects

(50:59):
is not going to be mitigated. There's still a few,
like cataclysmic scenarios that that probably could be averted, but
things are going to get so much, so much worse,
and that will be to deal with that, we will
have to adopt a large variety of adaptations. And it's
gonna suck, but it's it's what we're gonna have to do.

(51:23):
I don't know, I've there's there's a variety of reactions
to this. I mean, I think I should just put
together an episode on this sometimes in the future. But
like there's as this as the intensity of the situations
more and more, like, as as it becomes more and
more clear, we're going to get a variety of reactions

(51:44):
from especially for people on the right who used to
be very much pure purely like ignoring or denying this problem.
Some some some on the right have like have skipped
over the whole part where they've been wrong for so
many years and are going to start up applying extreme
the authoritarian and like nationalist solutions to this. Others are

(52:05):
just doubling down on denial because facing the facts of
the horrible situation we're in is more and more like frightening.
It's it's it's harder to admit that you're wrong and
realize the the terribleness of the situation of the most
recent example of this is I've been checking on the
replies to to CTV News, which is one of the

(52:27):
biggest Canadian like television news stations. They've they've put out
a few stories about how July is the hottest month,
and the in the replies to this story, it's there's
just a shock and honestly shocking amount of of pure
like flippant denial of what's going on. And this has

(52:48):
been an increasing problem in Canada. And it's it's which
is ironic because actually Canada's economy is probably gonna grow
during climate change because they're gonna take over a whole
bunch of agricultural production from the States. They're actually going
to become a much bigger economic player. But the amount
of just pure denial that that that we're that we're

(53:08):
seeing in Canada and we're seeing get like increased is
extremely worrying. Yeah, and it's one of those things that's
really hard to deal with, Like it's It's also something
I talked about in my hyper object episode. But like
it's like it's the same thing if someone's like in QAnon,
you can't like you can't like out logic them from
qan on. You have to you have to you have
to tell a better story.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
So this is you need a solid place to stand
like before you can push someone, if you see what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Yeah, but like I don't know, it's it's just been
it's been concerning because I've been seeing a whole bunch
of whole bunch of these things about how this is
the hottest month in one hundred and twenty thousand years,
and yeah, that is uh an, that is a like
a horrifying thing to learn, and you can like look
at you know what this what the sources for this are.
But the fact that so many of us are just

(53:58):
just denying this is that like as you like you
can go outside and feel it as well, like it's
like it's and that's not how climate works all the time.
But like I've certainly I think many of us have
have felt the effects of this, and also like the
death numbers can't lie either.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Yeah, yeah, and like I just got back from a
trip which will be a podcast soon to the Marshall Islands,
where it is extremely evident that sea levels are rising
and if they continue to rise at the rate they're rising,
then these places will be uninhabitable within the lifetimes of
people who are alive today. And it's it's very odd

(54:39):
to or very sort of discordant to see that. And
then you log on when you get home and see
someone being like, oh, it's natural variation, or you know,
like oh, it's snowed last winter, or you know, some
something which shows like a name incomplete understanding, but still
like just a knee jerk rejection of of like all

(55:00):
the evidence we have that the climate is changing and
it's it's not coming back.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
But I find myself the same that I have that
same feeling sometimes when I see people refuse to engage
with solutions, even with people who just are like, sure,
oh that's real. There's nothing we can do about it,
so we're not going to try. Like feels very like

(55:25):
and I don't mean like, I don't even mean a
specific way of trying. I don't mean everyone has to
go get arrested gluing themselves to famous things, or everyone
needs to go set things on fire. Everyone needs to
only focus on growing food or like. But just when
I see people like just being like, well, there's nothing,

(55:46):
so I'm just gonna not take it into account in
my decision making. I'm like, even if your decision making
is like, like I made the decision to move near
my family because a climate change, I didn't move to
where the climate is going to be magically stable. I
move to where I can spend more time with people
I love and be in a better position to take

(56:06):
care of them, you know, Like I just I feel
so like I don't know it was whatever.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Yeah, yeah, no it is. And it's very difficult to
see people just sort of fiddle as the Titanic Sally.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Shutting down is the is one of the easiest reactions
to stress and ignoring both both the both like the
like the like the v admitt like denial of this.
As things are obviously getting more and more intense, the
denial gets more and more intense. But so is like
the types of like the type of dumerism that leads
you just to like checking out of being like, oh
this is so bad, there's nothing I can do, So

(56:46):
I'm just going to completely ignore this. And then that's
that's also another way of just like sectioning off this
part of your brain so it so it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Actually impact you.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
It's it's it's functionally quite the same, and I can't.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Blame people for it. And that's what I think. People
often think that I am judging for them for that,
and I'm not. I just feel like I'm it's just
it's hard to engage with sometimes.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Yeah, But I think a good point to end is like,
maybe the best prep you can do for climate change
is not like buying a bigger air conditioner or moving
to somewhere where you think there is a better chance
that you personally as an individual will be better, but
it's building a community that can be resilient and that

(57:28):
can like weather the storm, and like having seen a
country which is losing its very minimal amount of land
to climate change and how communities have come together to
protect each other during that. It's kind of reinforced to
me how important community is as opposed to stuff.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Yeah. Absolutely, Also with communities you can get more stuff.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
You can make your own stuff.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
That's true, seize the means of production, but not for
the pure Marxist point for you, but from the I
like joking, but I'm actually like, this is what people
should be preparing to do.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Like, yeah, a.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Climate revolution that's less about like, oh, we're going to
put in someone smart in charge, you's going to fix everything,
and more a climate revolution that's like we're going to
create bottom up solutions and not let people stop us
from creating bottom up solutions.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Yes, that would be good. It'd be a good revolution.
Consider implementing that.

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Speaker 3 (58:50):
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