June 13, 2025 • 46 mins
The gang get together to discuss state violence in Los Angeles, tariffs, the Trump-Musk breakup and more ICE raids across the country.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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Speaker 2 (01:15):
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Speaker 4 (01:50):
This is it could happen here. Executive Disorder, our weekly
newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,
and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today,
joined by Mia Wang and James Stout. This episode, we
are covering the week of June four to June eleventh.
Let's start James with an update on the protests happening
(02:12):
in la In response to mass ice raids in the
Los Angeles area and also around the country.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Yeah, so I've been in LA. I was up covering it.
I'm back home now. It's on Wednesday. We did a
whole episode about this people can listen to. In terms
of update, I think things were a little bit smaller tonight.
There were a large number of detentions.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Made late tonight.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
You mean last night, Tuesday night?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Tuesday night, okay.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
To summarize, right, the first two nights saw the city.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Caught off guard.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Yeah, the weekend was pretty spicy.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Yeah, it got pretty well that there. A couple of
cop cars got destroyed. I think some Weimos made the
ultimate sacrifice our rip Weimo yep oh. I saw them
trucking the Weimos out and there was not much Weimo left,
Like it was the remains of the waim passed me,
gone but not forgotten. So by Monday morning, they had
(03:07):
flooded Los Angeles with police. I saw police from LAPD,
LA SD, I saw police from fps DHS, National Guard,
California Highway patrols play it's like Pokemon for cops up there,
and that resulted in them splitting up protesters cattling and
detaining people on Monday night, and they made extremely liberal
(03:31):
use of impact munitions, chemical ritans, etc. Batterday Sunday, Monday Tuesday,
thousands of impact munitions that you can find kissings all
over DTLA if you just go walk around. I saw
a lot of like people had tagged up a lot
of buildings in DTLA. But from what I've seen, I
don't know. We'll see, Right, It's also of the week,
so maybe things will get bigger again over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
I things can get less combative during the week because
people are busy with work and keeping themselves like fed
and had housed, and then on the weekend things can
sometimes open back up again.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Yeah. And also it's worth it's worth noting how these
how these specific protests are flaring up, which is that
like these ones are flaring up when Ice like drags
people out of a place.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Yeah, it is directly in response to ICE kidnapping their.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
Names, right, And so you know, the next time ICE
does a bunch of kidnappings of people, there's a chance
to do it will pop off again because people are
being like, holy shit, don't take my neighbor away.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Yeah, and the LA protests are already happening in a sequence.
Right We had stuff happening in San Diego, We then
had stuff in Minneapolis, We then had stuff in Chicago.
We then had the really big flare of which was LA.
And I think what's interesting right now is that instead
of having just like nationwide riots like there was in
twenty twenty, this is more like a sequence that actually
directly follows the actions of ICE. And in some ways,
(04:50):
I think this can be harder to combat. If every
city has the capacity to do what LA has done
in response to the actions of ICE, that follow the
actions of ICE, that could be harder to prepare for
than just the federal government realizing that we have to
do massive counter insurgency everywhere, all at the same time,
like what happened in twenty twenty. If instead this is
(05:11):
a rolling sequence of protests that happened directly in response
to ICE actions, any city could be next. Instead of
just trying to prepare for nationwide riots, they have to
be this more like mobile fluid force. They have to
respond to different outbursts that happen in different cities at
different times. And I think the other advantage that this
model has is that the actual protesters themselves can also
(05:32):
iterate on tactics. Instead of trying to reinvent the wheel
every time, you can take what happened in a previous city,
like a week ago, two weeks ago, and iterate on that.
Iterate on what was unsuccessfully, what captured attention, and what
was able to catch the cops off guard, minimizing mass arrests.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Yeah, in terms of the state response, just in case
people have missed it, right, two thousand National Guard troops,
seven hundred United States Marines. The Marines came from twenty
nine Palms. I know the Core has like an urban
warfare school, or at least had one there in twenty
nine pounds. Obviously, Camp Pendleton is a bigger base. Well,
I see, it might not be geograph they're both huge
(06:08):
and closer to LA, but they sent them from twenty
nine Palms instead.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I didn't see any Marines.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
They're just supposed to be protecting federal assets and not
supposed to be out there like straight up policing. Obviously,
that's you know, unconstitutional. One can make a case it's
unconstitutional to be deploying them at all in this fashion.
There are some on the streets now National Guard is
actually making arrests on the street. Marines have not as
of Wednesday, but some of the Marines have been deployed.
(06:33):
There's upwards of seven hundred who are like in the
process of being deployed at LA streets right now, out
of two thousand available troops, some of which are actually
still receiving training on standard rules of force. So these
people do not have necessarily like extensive training on police
crowd control, but are currently brushing up on crowd control tactics. Yeah,
(06:53):
what I saw from National Guard was like it seemed
to be by rank, although I'm not certain of that
guy with with shields and sticks right, just straight up
poles as opposed to like truncheons with like a T
shape or an L shape or whatever. And then probably
one in every five or six had an M four
with a magazine. That's a gun for people who aren't familiar,
(07:14):
it's in AAR fifteen and that's obviously live ammunition. So
like they didn't seem to have any access to like
less lethals or they didn't bring them if they did that,
I don't know about the Marine. And obviously we saw
like police using less lethals and then LASD also had
some cops with M fours amongst their formations.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
And this is just about to like really expand outside
of LA and California admidst anti ICE protests across Texas.
Governor Greg Abbott just deployed the Texas National Guard, and
on Tuesday night, I believe MSNBC broke the story that
ICE is about to send special Response team quote unquote
tactical units to five Democrat controlled areas, namely in New
(07:54):
York City, Seattle, Chicago, Philadelphia, and northern Virginia.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, is like a swat team if you're not familiar.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Like there was a DHSSRT that ended up responding in too,
that South Park protest in San Diego that we mentioned
last week or the week before.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
As of Wednesday, there's already been protests this week and
over half US states. This will certainly continue throughout the weekend.
At least for LA. On Tuesday night, the mayor announced
an eight pm curfew in downtown Los Angeles. That were
mass arrests Tuesday night, hundreds of people. I think the
other advantage that this kind of rolling sequence model that
(08:32):
we've seen with like San Diego, Minneapolis, Chicago, LA is
that not only does it give people time to like
iterate on tactics, it also gives people a break. If
anyone who survived twenty twenty, like you know how how
intense burnout can be from just doing that all the time. Yeah,
and having the built in brakes where you can like
recover physically and mentally while iterating on tactics, that could
(08:54):
be interesting to see.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
I think also this one thing we should notice about this,
which is that like there's a very clear actual thing
you're trying to do here, which is stop them from
taking these people. And even if you fail to immediately
take someone, they stop them taking someone in the moment.
Every single like second they're having to do dealing with
this shit means that they're not doing it. Yeah, so
you're you're degrading their capacity. Yeah, exactly. The time is
(09:17):
like the most valuable asset year. Yeah. And and like
obviously again like the larger goals you want to like expel,
Like you know, like one of the most common things
I'm hearing from people is just like ice out of
the city, right, Like we don't want them to be
doing these raids, but every every time they're forced to
like actually face resistance when they're doing the raid makes
it much much harder for them to do what they
have to start planning for there to be resistance to
(09:38):
the rage, which slows them down. And yeah, everything you
could do to put fucking wrenches into the gears until
the machine breaks is good. And there's a there's a
very clear path from A to B, two C in
a way that they're kind of aren't. Like. It doesn't
rely on politicians doing stuff. It just relies on us
stopping them.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
So yeah, yeah doing stuff.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
The city of Glendale did cancel its detention contract with ICE, right,
so they won't be detaining people there. So like a
little bit of progress there. And Gavin Newsom has said
some shit about the deployment of the National Guard and
California as far the court case, like Newsom has not
done everything in his power to stop that.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
But it's Gavin Newsom. What do you expect?
Speaker 5 (10:20):
I'll be back in the ela of things continue there.
But it's certainly the biggest protest we've seen this time
around in the Trump administration.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
All right, let's go and break and come back to
discuss more news.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
We are back, and unlike people from twelve countries who
will not be coming back to the United States for
the foreseeable future because the Trump administration has announced.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
A new travel ban.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
The form of the travel ban is basically, anyone who
applies for a visa or is in the process of
applying for a visa currently, if they are from one
of these twelve countries is unable to obtain a visa
to the United States. Right the twelve countries, seven have
partial restrictions, and then the full ban is on Afghanistan, Myanmar, Chad,
(11:20):
the Republic of Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrere, Haiti, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan,
and Yemen. And then Borundi, Cuba, Laos, Sierra Leone, Togo, Turkmenistan,
and Venezuela have like a higher barrier right and some
visas are not available to them.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Is an interesting inclusion there, Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
They looked at two criteria.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
E seems because Trump made an executive order at the
start of his presidency like looking to identify countries for
a travel ban. The two criteria they had were visa
over stay percentages and the quote unquote not having a
competent central authority to cooperate with vetting, right, So, like
you can't do a background check on someone if their
country doesn't have that facility. It's a claim, right. I
(12:06):
think they got vanmar On visa overst eight percentages. It's
worth noting, right that they use percentages and not raw
numbers for a reason, because, yeah, a certain percentage of
Burmese people may overstay their visa. I think it's twenty
seven point one percent. That amounts to five hundred and
forty three individuals. If we look at, for instance, France,
(12:29):
these are twenty twenty three numbers. About zero point six
percent of French people overstay their visa. That amounts to
nine one hundred and eighty two individuals. Right, So, like
a percentage is great, but if a big percentage of
a small thing is still a small thing. Yeah, this
is how they're attempting to justify it though in terms
of bulletproofing it through the courts. Obviously, they didn't have
(12:50):
the best luck with their travel ban in the first administration,
so using this tactic is one that they're hoping will
justify it.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Will it will stick the landing through the courts.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
Should add that they have some exemptions right, existing visa
holders who are currently within the United States can remain
in the United States.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Right.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
In practice, lots of these countries only get single entry visas,
so it might be hard for them to leave and
come back. But it's sometimes I've heard it reported that
all these people, like people from these countries can no
longer come to the United States, will be in the
United States, and that's not true. There are exemptions for
people who are dual citizens. There are exemptions for adoptive children.
(13:28):
There are exemptions for ethnic and religious minorities in Iran.
There are exemptions for sports teams because the United States thing, well,
the United States is holding the World Cup and the Olympics, right, yeah,
so like it would be something of a fascical spectacle
if you know, nineteen countries were not represented. I mean,
(13:50):
the Olympic Games is something of a fascal spectacle to
begin with, one could argue, but yeah, they didn't want that, right,
they didn't want that like international spectacle. So a professional
athlete visa is hard to get at the best of times,
so that is a high bar, but those ones still
seem to be available. And then there's also exemptions for
SIV wrote special immigrant visas. These are people who have
(14:11):
worked closely with the United States. The vast bulk of
them will be Afghan people, people who worked as interpreters
or otherwise cooperated with the United States during the twenty
years the United States was at.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
War in Afghanistan.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Again, I've seen that mis reported, including by people who
really should know better. But you know, I'm never not
disappointed in a lot of people's immigration coverage. This will
be challenging court, right, but I think they have gone
some way to trying to make this a bit more
bulletproof than they did before. And it is concerning that
(14:46):
they seem to have a better chance. Obviously pretty concerning,
especially for US, you know, with our extensive reboarding on
Burma or Mihanmar, that those people can't come here and
be safe. Yeah, that's a travel man in a nutshell,
I guess.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Also, I think it's worth noting so like this is
just an expanded version Well, I guess it's like a
little bit of differences, but it's basically an expanded version
of the Muslim band from his first term.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Yeah, with some new countries, and I think maybe the
removal of some countries from previously.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
Yeah, And like it's worth noting that, like in Trump.
One like that immediately caused the airport protests, which were
like the first big protests of the administration that were
extremely effective until people like went home. And this time
it's basically not been a news story because we're so
far along that the protests have been about like ices
dragging our neighbors away, and yeah, I just think that's
(15:38):
fucking bad as shit. And also the airport protests, like,
we're really effective.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
They some of the more effective protests in those years. Yeah, yeah,
I am yea.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
I did see a flyer for an airport protest, but
I've seen no evidence of one's occurring.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Yeah. I had heard that there was going to be
one on Monday, but that it just like didn't happen,
So I don't know what's going on with that. Yeah,
but that was a thing that was pretty effective, and
they also didn't eat the shirt of everyone for most
of it, which was nice.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
Yeah, well Mia, talking of beats, how about we dropped
some beats right now with this sick tariff song.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Great work, James, thank you, thank you, Rocking Jazz Rocket
Jazz Bot Sorry Rocket Jazz Rocking Jazz bo.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
The Donald Trump has apparently, according to him, resolved that
the trade war with China. He's planning the negotiation one
he's claiming, he's.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Claiming victory, mission accomplished. Ye the claim that.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
He's making out of the out of the London negotiations.
And I want to point out that I have not
heard anything from the Chinese side. It's possible there will
be soft from the Chinese side by the time this
episode comes out. It's possible this whole deal will have
collass by the time this comes out. It seems like
the deal is that US maintains tariffs at fifty five percent,
(17:06):
which is what they're at right now, China maintains ten
percent tariffs, and then China ensures US access to rare
earth metals, and then the US does Trump was talking
about the US not actually doing a crackdown on like
Chinese international students. So who knows what the fuck is
going to happen with any of that. That is the
(17:28):
reporting that's coming out right now. I don't know. Quite frankly,
I am skeptical this is going to hold. I again, like,
I don't I don't know if, like in two days
when this episode comes out of any of this is
going to be true because again, we have heard nothing
from the Chinese side. It has all been from Trump,
so who the fuck knows. But yeah, that's that. That is.
(17:53):
That is the late of tariff news. This is a
kind of short one.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
That's that's what we've got. That's exciting. That's exciting that
we won. Trade is back. I can go back to
buying everything I owned from Timu, no problem.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
Yeah, I mean, I give my usual disclaimer that fifty
percent tariff on China is like fucking ruinous the global economy,
et cetera, et cetera. I do genuinely hope that, like
the Chinese international students are getting cracked out on because
Jesus fucking Christ, those poor kids. All of these policies
are tied together in this sort of like unhinged like
American Nationalist Project etctera, et cetera. They're all connected. They
(18:28):
hate us all and yay, really really fun time to
be a Chinese trans woman in the US.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
WHOA, Okay, it's also fun to enjoy the COVID vaccine
because we might not get it for much longer. I
guess I'll do a brief update on an episode I
did with Cave a few weeks ago. So RFK has
now dismissed the entirety of the ACIP, the CDC's Vaccine
Advisory Committee that has just been completely dissolved. This happened
(18:58):
on Tuesday. That was the big theory that Cave had
is that if that panel gets dissolved, that that was
kind of the last line of defense with like reasonable
people being in charge of COVID vaccine recommendations at the CDC.
And that has gone And just a few minutes ago,
RFK Junior announced the replacements. And i'd have not had
enough time to look into all these guys because this
(19:20):
was literally just thirty minutes ago, But at least half
of them are at the very least what would be
considered a COVID vaccine skeptic. Oh crazy cool, right wing
libertarian types, people who have been dismissed from their academic positions. Basically,
it's who you would expect RFK two to submit to
a vaccine advisory panel. The very least half are like cranks.
(19:45):
I will try to look into the rest of these
guys in the future. We should probably do a full
follow up episode eventually on the new panel. So not
looking good on the COVID vaccine front.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Yeah, we also have very bad news from the S
which instead of, like you know, I don't know, like
I know, crypto scams are supposed to be the SEC's thing,
but I feel like the FCC also should have fucking
things for crypto scams. But instead of instead of going
after the fucking crypto scams, what they're doing is they're
gonna hold like meetings basically with what is I'm assuming
(20:19):
is going to be a bunch of the most unhingedy
transgrifters and anti trans like packs, frauds, and violent bigots.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Notably not trans people. Yeah, yeah, they will not be included,
no for the statements.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
No trans people, no trans people, No, no, no, no. They're looking
into ways to do like FCC investigations for like deceptive
marketing practices for any doctor and also parents for some reason,
which how the fuck is you're going after a parent
for defective marketing? What the fuck are you doing here?
But anyone who like gives a child's any kind of
trans healthcare.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I mean, is it specifically trans healthcare or are they
trying to like specify like surgical procedures because I've seen
some like Mixtra on this.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
It's unclear right now. The wording that I saw was
so ambiguous that I think it could be anything, but
I don't know. And this is I think one of
the things it's not clear that they know right now,
right like it's all just really really up in the air.
What the fuck this is going to turn into or
if this is even when he turned into anything, we
had that whole at the beginning of Pride, the FBI
was like, hey, you can report like doctors doing like
(21:24):
trans healthcare here too. Things. Yeah, and some of these
have not really turned into anything yet.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
The anti wilk FBI soliciting tips for people providing trans healthcare.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Yeah, yeah, So like, I don't know, we'll put a
pin in that one to see if some fucking horrible
stuff happens out out of there. That's, you know, one
of the next giant anti trans things that they're doing,
as all of the anti immigrant stuff happens, as they
fucking make vaccines illegal.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Like it's so much of the trends DUFF specifically is
like just the chilling effect that it's trying to scare
people away from providing people with the health care that
they need to live faffillian lives and it's working.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Like there are there are lots of clinics that have
like fucking stopped and if you if you are one
of the people at these clinics, fuck you eat shit well.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
And I think that is where people can apply pressure to.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was gonna say, yeah,
it's like there have been protests.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
You're not going to change the mind of the Trunk
administration on this topic at this point, but you can
apply pressure to people who are feeling like they're too
they're too scared to actually provide healthcare, and they can
be reminded that no, it is their duty to provide
people with health care.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Yeah, and and people have successfully gotten clinics to start
to restart like trans healthcare for kids by just going
out and protesting. This is a This is also just
like if you're I don't know, you're in like a
blue city and you don't know immigrants, and you're like,
I want to do a protest, this is the thing
(22:50):
you can do. You can find there's one in Chicago
right now that I'm blanking on the name of where
there's there's a bunch of protests. Yeah, but like you
can find the clinics that are refusing to do this,
and you can go fucking protest them, and this can
and will work.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
We've spoken on the show before to healthcare workers who
are like very dedicated to keeping the provision of gender
affirming care. So like, if you want to listen to more,
you can hear that. You can hear how folks are
organizing to retect that.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
Yeah, and all of those people are fucking heroes, even
if they probably won't be remembered as such for a
long time, but they are and keep doing it and
keep the fight up.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Let's go and break and then return to finish up
on an exciting piece of news.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Hooray, Okay, we are back.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
So as usual, a massive, massive news dropped right after
we finished recording last week's Executives, and that is the
Elon Musk Donald Trump breakup story got a lot more messy.
So this is what we're going to close on, possibly
one of our last Stinky Musk segments.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
But I fucking know it, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
We'll never forget you.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
Eat on.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Oh uh, miyah.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Do you wanna do you wanna start us off here? Yeah,
let's let's start this off with Okay, I have been seeing.
This has kind of stopped now that Elon has kind
of like run crying back the Trump. But like, let's see,
there was a there was a moment where a lot
of the like like Matt Iglacias, like a lot of
the sort of like reasonable Democrats or whatever we're trying
to be, like we should try to recruit Musk into
the coulition.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Now was a scary moment.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
Yeah, yeah, I want to remind everyone this is the
guy who did two Nazi saluted the inauguration two two
of them. He did one and then he did a
second one. People have forgotten that he also did the
second Nazi Like Census administration came into office. He has
spent this time destroying the federal government. He has spent
this time terrorizing like government employees, just shutting down fucking
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important government institutions. Enormous numbers of people are going to
die because of the things that he's done, like the
shutting down to USAID, particularly like the vaccine programs, the
anticha V programs. You know, like he's just been doing
all of the shift for this entire time, right, he
has been just systematically looting and tearing apart anything in
the US federal government that even can remotely do anything
(25:12):
for a person from again, everything from like HIV prevention
to like destroying a bunch of the apparatus that like
figures out what the weather is going to be and
tells you when storms are coming. Yeah, he has been
fucking doing that.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Well, like Mia, the weather is woke. You can't you
can't forget the woke weather machines.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
I just had a meeting with the Southeast Alliance where
we're deciding the weather for the next few weeks. Fucking God,
make it less hot here. It's too fucking hot weather,
too hot. I know, well, we have to raise the temperature.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
It's all.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
It's all part of the data plan, large scale political plan.
That's right, you get it, James, Yeah, full of the plan.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
More he more riots, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Okay. It's also remembering that these two were very very
close sort of like during this election cycle, right, Trump
was just straight up going for Buddy, was just I mean,
he's just just like straight up in Philadelphia, like paying
people to vote through these like raffles. Elon Elon, Yeah,
Elon was just like, yeah, straight up doing these right,
Trump just.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Like did a tesla ad.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's like he just did a tesla ad.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
They first buddy has gotta gotta have each other's backs,
you know.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Never say that again.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
So there had started to be a little bit of
tension between them, like as the tariff sort of mounted,
because the tariffs are you know, not good for Elon.
I think things kind of came to a head when
Elon tried to buy the Wisconsin Supreme Court election and
just got his ass kicked harder than anyone I've ever
seen get just absolutely thumped.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
And this is where the policy wonk sector of the
right was starting to like side eye Elon and question
his like yeah, yeah, invincibility, right, this this this this
guy that can come in and like save the Republican Party,
can secure every future election. That's where that I like
view of Elon started to really get called into question.
Maybe this guy is kind of just a one hit wonder.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Yeah, And and and you can also look at a
lot of the stuff that was sort of happening here
in terms of like she is staggeringly unpopular, right, everyone
fucking hates him, and like the Democratic Party did a
really bad job of this. But like just like the
party's base and the Tesla protests were very effective and
like negative, yea polarizing opinion of him. Negative, people really
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really dislike him.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Like worldwide, Yeah, everyone hates it.
Speaker 7 (27:30):
She cost right wing parties elections and countries that like, yeah,
he's never been taggering staggering like she she may have
accidentally saved Germany from fascism for like a decade. Why,
it's very funny, you know, critical support to the to
the fascist carmaker who saves Germany from fascist Yeah yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
And then so okay, so we've we've been coming up
to like the end of his appointment as like a
special what the fuck was the name of the term
special government employeecial government employee? Oh it was special. I
was gonna say that. Then I was like, it can't
be called special government employee.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
We call it a sidge Ski ski Gay. Well, James,
you can't say that, No, no, you can't.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I've been canceled.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
But there was always a question of like what exactly
his role is going to be going forward once his
time as a special government employee like ran out, Yeah,
but then he leaves with Steven Miller's.
Speaker 8 (28:22):
Wife, so as we reported in previous episodes, But the
final break came over the weekend over the.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Budget, big beautiful budget, and Elon.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Has been pissed off at this budget for like a while,
and over the weekend he finally starts straight up doing
like kill the budget posting and telling people to like
call their senators to kill the budget instead of just
saying it's bad. And this is I think actually an
important thing to note here.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Like like actively campaigning against the budget bill and yeah yeah,
which is essentially Trump's like core policy at this point.
It's like the way to the way to push through
a whole bunch of the stuff that he can't just
do himself as president. Yep, is just trojanhorse through this
budget bill.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
Yeah yeah. And and and then this gets too, I
think something that's like a kind of important split in
the Republican Party right now about this budget, which is
that like Musk is a is a budget deficit true believer, right,
Like yes, he and his guls are trying to destroy
the federal government because like ideologically they don't think it
should really exist except for like as a tool to
hand the money, as a tool to like shoot people
(29:27):
who they don't like but he is part of this
caudra of tech people. And this is very very common
in these tech circles. And you see that in some
finance circles of these people who believe that the US
is about to like enter like the super Great depression
because the amount of the GDP being spent on debt
payments is too high, and so they think if they
(29:47):
don't like stop this right now, And this is partially
why they are trying to like crash the economy, because
they thought that if you crash the economy and he
did all this terrift stuff or like whatever it would
it would decrease the cost of of US borrowing. Now
that didn't happen, right, The interest rates of the bond
shot up because everyone was like, holy fuck, these like
absolute maniacs aren't gonna pay their debt. So you know,
(30:07):
none of the shit is working. But they are like
true believers on this, yeah right, And this is again
this is very very very common in tech circles. Like
these people who like are are really like, oh God,
the US is gonna die unless we like yeah, like
unless we start just like destroying the national debt.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
And the whole doge idea is built around like Terminal
Tech Brain, and it's it's trying to apply the logic
of these like startups that are kind of scams, but
trying to apply the logic of startups to an entire government.
And there was an interview INPR this week where they
talked to a DOGE employee.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Oh yeah, he has an ex DOGE employee.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
And NPR asked about how much fraud and abuse they
were actually able to find, and he said, quote, I
did not find the federal government to be rife with waste,
fraud and abuse. I was expecting some more easy wins.
I was hoping for opportunity to cut waste, fraud and abuse.
And I do believe that there is a lot of waste.
There's minimal amounts of fraud and abuse to me feels
(31:07):
relatively non existent. And the reason is, I think we
have a bias as people coming from the tech industry
where we worked at companies you know, such as Google, Facebook,
These companies that have plenty of money, are funded by
investors and have lots of people kind of sitting around
and doing nothing on growth. So his idea that the
government must be full of like fraud and abuse is
because that's just how tech companies work, and he assumed
(31:29):
that the government works the same as a tech company. Yeah,
and I think Elon have uwsed this the exact same way.
That's why he was doing his like Twitter takeover stuff
to the government, is he believed that's how it actually functions,
and it doesn't. That's not really how the federal bureaucracy functions.
Like like these people have just like eaten the fucking
kool aid, right, Like none of the Republicans actually believed that,
like the US like economy functions like a pocketbook, Like
(31:53):
none of them believe that you're because it's not true, right,
Like you don't print your own money, so of course
the US government doesn't find some like pocketbook. But like,
this is the generation of people where like the people
who are just so absolutely pilled on the ideology have
taken over.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
But on the other hand, there is Trump, and Trump
doesn't give off fuck about any of this, right, Like
the faction that Trump here is representing is the faction
of capitalists who just wants tax cuts. You don't give
off fuck about like all of this weird tech brain stuff.
Like they elected Trump with the mandate of handing them
trillions of dollars in these formula tax cuts, and that's
(32:28):
all they care about. And we're getting a giant conflict
between them because as much as Trump has just sort
of been like lying about the budget numbers or whatever
the fuck, if you're one of these actual budget lock people,
you can just look at the budget and go, this
is going to increase the debt by like two trillion
dollars or whatever the fuck, right, And it's revealed a
sort of pre existing source of tension inside of the
(32:48):
base between the sort of tech people and a lot
of the rest of sectors are capital which aren't as
ideologically pilled. So let's get into all of the actual
shit because it's very funny. So Business Insider put together
a really good minute by minute timeline if you want
to do that. I'm not going through this shit minute
by minute.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
I'm not gonna go through minute by minute. I am.
I am going to go through tweet by tweet tweet
because we have to talk about the tweets. The first
time I've ever really wanted to say that. Yeah, the
first big tweet, and this was you know, amongst Elon
crashing out about the budget bill and talking about how
he's going to cancel certain SpaceX SpaceX projects. But the
(33:28):
first big tweet from Elon was time to drop the
really big bomb at real Donald Trump is in the
Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not
been made public. Have a nice day, Donald J.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Trump.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Mark this place. In the future, the truth will come out.
So this is this is the really big one, as
Elon says, the really big Bob.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
I actually think this, in the long run could be
one of the most important aspects of this entire fight.
Because the right is incredibly conspiracy brains. They've all been
like hyped up on this, like Epstein pill shit and
like like specifically on like the Trump's gonna release Epstein
files and show all the Democrats right, But they've always
(34:10):
had like the psychological block about talking about the fact
that like Trump and Epstein are the most connected motherfuckers
anyone's ever been. I'm gonna read this. There's a very
famous quote from a New York magazine article that's like
Trump talking to a bunch of people at like a meeting. Quote.
I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy, Trump booms
from a speakerphone. He's a lot of fun. To be
(34:32):
with it. Has even said that he likes beautiful women
as much as I do, and many of them are
on the younger side, no doubt about it. Jeffrey enjoys
his social life. So like he knew, right he was
transmitting for ages, Yeah, some two and two, Like he's
he's on Epstein's fucking.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Plain like he is, like everyone knows this, right, like
everyone except everyone knows this right, everyone except for like
the weirdo QAnon, right, yeah, understands this. And some of
the young people try to justify this as being like, no,
Trump was like, you know, a deep mold, a deep
plant who got in close with with Epstein so that
we could eventually round up and arrest all the Democrat pedophiles. Right,
(35:08):
That's what they try to justify it. But now that
that sort of like specific QAnon logic doesn't really exist
as much on the right anymore. Yeah, now people just
like memory hole, especially the right, They just memory hole
that like Trump and Epstein were best buddies.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
Yeah, and like and and this is the thing, it's
been impossible we'll talk about on the right, you just
can't do it, right. Yeah, And suddenly Elon Musk, who
is a guy who like is capable of shifting what
right wing discourse is. Its suddenly like, yeah, this guy's
a pedophile. I want to read this. This, this post
that Trump made has response to this, right I missed
(35:43):
this when this happens. I've only seen this in the
business inside of reporting, so on truth social Trump's response
to this was to post it or to truth the truth.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Of David Shown, who tweeted this quote. I was hired
to lead Jeffrey Fstein's defense as his criminal lawyer nine
days before he died. He sought my advice for months
before that. I can authoritatively, unequivocally and definitively say he
has no information to hurt President Trump. I specifically asked him.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Yeah, that sounds legit.
Speaker 6 (36:18):
This is one of the most unhinged posts I have
ever seen. This genuinely, this is this is not a joke.
If you if you are a fucking poster and you
are like, what can my contribution to like the future
of democracy be? You need to push this shit into
the unhinged like fucking like the depths of like fucking
(36:40):
eight chan right like into into like the fucking breeding
layers of the most unhinged reutling spaces in the world.
You need to be going in and just injecting this
shit straight into their fucking brains. You you need to
be like like just like just just hyping them up
on the most unhinged conspiracies about Trump being like a
fucking like being a fucking Epstein guy, because this is
(37:04):
completely unhinged, Like, what do you mean. His defense lawyer,
who was hired nine days before he died, is supposed
to have specifically asked him about Trump and Trump's response
to being called a pedophile as you go to this
guy fucking inject that shit into right wing discourse. We
know four chan does this the leftist discourse all the
(37:24):
time and injects like the worst discourses of all time.
Fucking do it to them.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
It is odd how this was really the first thing
that breaks through this block on the right. You had
to You had Alex Jones like freaking out on Twitter
being quote, God help us.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
All, Kanye, Oh yay.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Kanye was freaking out, Turn was crashing out on the timeline.
It was really bizarre. Trump's immediate response was saying, quote,
I don't mind Elon turning against me, but he should
have done so months ago, this is one of the
greatest bills ever presented to Congress, and then goes on
to talk about how great the bill is. It's wild.
You had I Miles Chong tweeting about versus the president
(38:05):
who will win My money is on Elon Trump should
be impeached and JD. Van should replace him with Elon
Musk boosting this claim saying yes, yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
It's pretty good. It says pretty funny.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Something that's extremely indicative of the current cultural moment that
we are at is during this spat, when when things
really broke out on Twitter and truth social during during
this spat, both the Vice President of the United States
and the director of the FBI were on two separate
podcasts and got to live react to this very funny Unfortunately,
(38:46):
I am going to play the clip. I will start
with JD. Vance reacting live on a podcast by someone
named THEO Vaughn.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Here.
Speaker 9 (38:55):
Here's here's my basic reaction to like all this stuff
is luck. First of all, like absolutely not. Donald Trump
didn't do anything wrong with Jeffrey Epstein. Like there's the
guy is whatever the Democrats and the media says about him,
that's totally bs. Here here's my basic my basic read
on it. First of all, I'm the vice President's the
(39:16):
President Trump. My loyalties are always going to be with
the President. And I think that Elon, he's an incredible entrepreneur.
He's actually done I think does was really good. This
sort of effort to root out waste fraud abuse in
our country is really good. And and and look, man,
I'm always going to be loyal to the President, and
I hope that eventually Elon kind of comes back into
(39:36):
the fold. Maybe that's not possible now because he's gone,
so nuclear hope it is.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Do you know why?
Speaker 9 (39:43):
Yeah, I mean so, look, I think number one, Elon's
new to politics, right, So part of it is this
guy got into politics and it's has suffered a lot
for it. But I mean, I and I get the
frustration there, and I get the frustration that me. Look,
Congress got the spending bill, but the main purpose of
(40:04):
the bill is not actually spending or cutting spending, though
it does cut a lot of spending. The main purpose
of the bill is to prevent the biggest tax increase.
But I understand, like it's a good bill, it's not
a perfect bill. Like the process in DC if you're
a business leader, you probably get frustrated with that process
because it's more you know, bureaucratic, it's more slow moving.
So I think there's just some frustrations there. But I really, man,
(40:25):
I think it's a huge mistake for him to go
after the president like that, and I think that if
he and the president are in some blood feud, most importantly,
it's going to be bad for the country. But I
think it's going to be I don't think it's going
to be good for Elon either.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
So that's jd Vance's reaction to this. He eventually got
put onto like damage control. We'll talk about that in
a sec. What is more interesting to me is cash
Ptel's reaction because Patel has been taking fire from the
right for being a little bit soft on the promise
of releasing the full Epstein files, trying to downplay the
(41:00):
tent at the files and say there's really nothing in
there that's super notable, and this has gotten him in
trouble because him and people like Dan Bongino have for
years made a living out of talking about how the
Epstein files is going to, you know, ruin the Democratic Party.
They have they have all of this evidence all this footage,
and now that these guys are in power, they're simply
not talking about this issue. And this has got some
(41:22):
of the qan On right upset and cash Footel's reaction
to this is is frankly baffling. I'm not participating in
that conversation.
Speaker 6 (41:32):
Have a nice day, DD so much takets fall away.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Are going back and forth about different things.
Speaker 6 (41:37):
And yeah, he said he was disappointing Elon. Yeah, I
want to leave Jesus Christ. That's a crazy thing to say.
How does he know? Does he know that Donald Trump
is in the Epstein files or does he have access
to them?
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I don't know how he would, But I'm just staying
out of the Trump Elon thing.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
That's way outside of my life. I know my lane,
and that.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
Ain't What do you mean? This isn't your lane. You're
the director of the FBI, you are in charge of
the Epstein files. This specifically is your lane. This, this
one thing is actually your lane. It's unhinged. Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
His big thing now is yes to wear a hunting
camera all the time. I guess it's his new lane.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
So after the heat of this started to die down,
you started to get more of the right try to,
I guess, soothe the tension. A lot of a lot
of people trying to trying to talk about coming together.
You had right wing commentators trying to frame this as
two alpha males beefing right this this is this is
just how you just how alpha male's.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Beef we got. We've got to quote some of these because.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Jack Pasovic famously said, some of y'all can't handle two
high agency males going at it, and it really shows
this is direct communication, fallow centric versus indirect communication. Guy nocentric,
I understand you aren't used to it. Wonderful stuff from
Pasovic as usual. Yeah, you also had our friends at
(43:00):
the New Norm posting videos about trying to solve this
dispute through a dancing competition. Roll the clip.
Speaker 6 (43:10):
Can't we all just get along?
Speaker 2 (43:13):
We've got to cut you to say.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Hey, I do find it odd that a lot of
people's innate reaction after the heat died down was even
if Elon Musk is semi credibly accusing the president of
being a pedophile. Can't we just all get along together?
I don't know why we can't just get along? This
is this is hurting the country, and Elon's like remark
(43:39):
about Trump being in the files is in and of
itself just kind of baffling from Elon's perspective, because he
was bragging in tweets about how he is responsible for
Trump being elected, and Trump was then having to respond
to that by claiming that they would have won the
election without Elon, but Elon was saying that without him,
Trump would have lost the election right after he called
(43:59):
him a pedophile, which is super interesting because it's essentially
Musk saying, I'm fine with making sure a pedophile gets
elected president, but I draw the line at a bad
spending bill. Yeah, yeah, that's that's really what is too
much for him. The implication is that if he didn't
get essentially shafted from the White House, he just would
have kept this a secret. And he's like okay with
(44:20):
working with Trump otherwise except for the bad bill, and
ye maybe he's maybe he's butt heard about Trump threatening
to terminate his governmental subsidies and contracts, but like, come on, Elons,
this is crazy.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Yeah, yeah, not the most well considered.
Speaker 5 (44:35):
It is fantastic that the richest man in the world
is addicted to posting, because we get some real we
get some real banging posters.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Poster's madness. It never never fails.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
I gotta say though, Trump's posting response terrible. This guy
has washed There's nothing there. He's fucking gone mentally like
he could have fucking get Like even twenty twenty, Trump
just destroys him in one tweet like none of this
is He's there's nothing left there. He's a shell. Now.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
They have now been making attempts to fold the team
back together. It was reported recently that actually on Friday night,
which was the day after this spat on unfolded on Twitter,
but a Friday night jd Vance and Whiteouse chief of
staff Susie Willis had a call with Elon to de
escalate the conflict. Eventually, Elon started deleting some of his
(45:20):
more inflammatory tweets about the president coward and has now
posted quote, I regret some of my posts about President
Trump last week. They went too far.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
I said the thing that wasn't supposed to say.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
So he got us stern talking to by jd Vance,
who is kind of caught in between Trump and Musk
here but has stated that his loyalties will will always
lie with the President. So yeah, that is the current
state of the Musk and Trump fallout, it will not
be able to go back to how it was, but
they might try to play nice again. Yep, I think
(46:00):
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Speaker 3 (01:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:15):
We work for the border. We just following with all
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Speaker 4 (01:50):
This is it could happen here. Executive Disorder, our weekly
newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,
and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today,
joined by Mia Wang and James Stout. This episode, we
are covering the week of June four to June eleventh.
Let's start James with an update on the protests happening
(02:12):
in la In response to mass ice raids in the
Los Angeles area and also around the country.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Yeah, so I've been in LA. I was up covering it.
I'm back home now. It's on Wednesday. We did a
whole episode about this people can listen to. In terms
of update, I think things were a little bit smaller tonight.
There were a large number of detentions.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Made late tonight.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
You mean last night, Tuesday night?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Tuesday night, okay.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
To summarize, right, the first two nights saw the city.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Caught off guard.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Yeah, the weekend was pretty spicy.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Yeah, it got pretty well that there. A couple of
cop cars got destroyed. I think some Weimos made the
ultimate sacrifice our rip Weimo yep oh. I saw them
trucking the Weimos out and there was not much Weimo left,
Like it was the remains of the waim passed me,
gone but not forgotten. So by Monday morning, they had
(03:07):
flooded Los Angeles with police. I saw police from LAPD,
LA SD, I saw police from fps DHS, National Guard,
California Highway patrols play it's like Pokemon for cops up there,
and that resulted in them splitting up protesters cattling and
detaining people on Monday night, and they made extremely liberal
(03:31):
use of impact munitions, chemical ritans, etc. Batterday Sunday, Monday Tuesday,
thousands of impact munitions that you can find kissings all
over DTLA if you just go walk around. I saw
a lot of like people had tagged up a lot
of buildings in DTLA. But from what I've seen, I
don't know. We'll see, Right, It's also of the week,
so maybe things will get bigger again over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
I things can get less combative during the week because
people are busy with work and keeping themselves like fed
and had housed, and then on the weekend things can
sometimes open back up again.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Yeah. And also it's worth it's worth noting how these
how these specific protests are flaring up, which is that
like these ones are flaring up when Ice like drags
people out of a place.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Yeah, it is directly in response to ICE kidnapping their.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
Names, right, And so you know, the next time ICE
does a bunch of kidnappings of people, there's a chance
to do it will pop off again because people are
being like, holy shit, don't take my neighbor away.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Yeah, and the LA protests are already happening in a sequence.
Right We had stuff happening in San Diego, We then
had stuff in Minneapolis, We then had stuff in Chicago.
We then had the really big flare of which was LA.
And I think what's interesting right now is that instead
of having just like nationwide riots like there was in
twenty twenty, this is more like a sequence that actually
directly follows the actions of ICE. And in some ways,
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I think this can be harder to combat. If every
city has the capacity to do what LA has done
in response to the actions of ICE, that follow the
actions of ICE, that could be harder to prepare for
than just the federal government realizing that we have to
do massive counter insurgency everywhere, all at the same time,
like what happened in twenty twenty. If instead this is
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a rolling sequence of protests that happened directly in response
to ICE actions, any city could be next. Instead of
just trying to prepare for nationwide riots, they have to
be this more like mobile fluid force. They have to
respond to different outbursts that happen in different cities at
different times. And I think the other advantage that this
model has is that the actual protesters themselves can also
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iterate on tactics. Instead of trying to reinvent the wheel
every time, you can take what happened in a previous city,
like a week ago, two weeks ago, and iterate on that.
Iterate on what was unsuccessfully, what captured attention, and what
was able to catch the cops off guard, minimizing mass arrests.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Yeah, in terms of the state response, just in case
people have missed it, right, two thousand National Guard troops,
seven hundred United States Marines. The Marines came from twenty
nine Palms. I know the Core has like an urban
warfare school, or at least had one there in twenty
nine pounds. Obviously, Camp Pendleton is a bigger base. Well,
I see, it might not be geograph they're both huge
(06:08):
and closer to LA, but they sent them from twenty
nine Palms instead.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I didn't see any Marines.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
They're just supposed to be protecting federal assets and not
supposed to be out there like straight up policing. Obviously,
that's you know, unconstitutional. One can make a case it's
unconstitutional to be deploying them at all in this fashion.
There are some on the streets now National Guard is
actually making arrests on the street. Marines have not as
of Wednesday, but some of the Marines have been deployed.
(06:33):
There's upwards of seven hundred who are like in the
process of being deployed at LA streets right now, out
of two thousand available troops, some of which are actually
still receiving training on standard rules of force. So these
people do not have necessarily like extensive training on police
crowd control, but are currently brushing up on crowd control tactics. Yeah,
(06:53):
what I saw from National Guard was like it seemed
to be by rank, although I'm not certain of that
guy with with shields and sticks right, just straight up
poles as opposed to like truncheons with like a T
shape or an L shape or whatever. And then probably
one in every five or six had an M four
with a magazine. That's a gun for people who aren't familiar,
(07:14):
it's in AAR fifteen and that's obviously live ammunition. So
like they didn't seem to have any access to like
less lethals or they didn't bring them if they did that,
I don't know about the Marine. And obviously we saw
like police using less lethals and then LASD also had
some cops with M fours amongst their formations.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
And this is just about to like really expand outside
of LA and California admidst anti ICE protests across Texas.
Governor Greg Abbott just deployed the Texas National Guard, and
on Tuesday night, I believe MSNBC broke the story that
ICE is about to send special Response team quote unquote
tactical units to five Democrat controlled areas, namely in New
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York City, Seattle, Chicago, Philadelphia, and northern Virginia.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, is like a swat team if you're not familiar.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Like there was a DHSSRT that ended up responding in too,
that South Park protest in San Diego that we mentioned
last week or the week before.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
As of Wednesday, there's already been protests this week and
over half US states. This will certainly continue throughout the weekend.
At least for LA. On Tuesday night, the mayor announced
an eight pm curfew in downtown Los Angeles. That were
mass arrests Tuesday night, hundreds of people. I think the
other advantage that this kind of rolling sequence model that
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we've seen with like San Diego, Minneapolis, Chicago, LA is
that not only does it give people time to like
iterate on tactics, it also gives people a break. If
anyone who survived twenty twenty, like you know how how
intense burnout can be from just doing that all the time. Yeah,
and having the built in brakes where you can like
recover physically and mentally while iterating on tactics, that could
(08:54):
be interesting to see.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
I think also this one thing we should notice about this,
which is that like there's a very clear actual thing
you're trying to do here, which is stop them from
taking these people. And even if you fail to immediately
take someone, they stop them taking someone in the moment.
Every single like second they're having to do dealing with
this shit means that they're not doing it. Yeah, so
you're you're degrading their capacity. Yeah, exactly. The time is
(09:17):
like the most valuable asset year. Yeah. And and like
obviously again like the larger goals you want to like expel,
Like you know, like one of the most common things
I'm hearing from people is just like ice out of
the city, right, Like we don't want them to be
doing these raids, but every every time they're forced to
like actually face resistance when they're doing the raid makes
it much much harder for them to do what they
have to start planning for there to be resistance to
(09:38):
the rage, which slows them down. And yeah, everything you
could do to put fucking wrenches into the gears until
the machine breaks is good. And there's a there's a
very clear path from A to B, two C in
a way that they're kind of aren't. Like. It doesn't
rely on politicians doing stuff. It just relies on us
stopping them.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
So yeah, yeah doing stuff.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
The city of Glendale did cancel its detention contract with ICE, right,
so they won't be detaining people there. So like a
little bit of progress there. And Gavin Newsom has said
some shit about the deployment of the National Guard and
California as far the court case, like Newsom has not
done everything in his power to stop that.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
But it's Gavin Newsom. What do you expect?
Speaker 5 (10:20):
I'll be back in the ela of things continue there.
But it's certainly the biggest protest we've seen this time
around in the Trump administration.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
All right, let's go and break and come back to
discuss more news.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
We are back, and unlike people from twelve countries who
will not be coming back to the United States for
the foreseeable future because the Trump administration has announced.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
A new travel ban.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
The form of the travel ban is basically, anyone who
applies for a visa or is in the process of
applying for a visa currently, if they are from one
of these twelve countries is unable to obtain a visa
to the United States. Right the twelve countries, seven have
partial restrictions, and then the full ban is on Afghanistan, Myanmar, Chad,
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the Republic of Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrere, Haiti, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan,
and Yemen. And then Borundi, Cuba, Laos, Sierra Leone, Togo, Turkmenistan,
and Venezuela have like a higher barrier right and some
visas are not available to them.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Is an interesting inclusion there, Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
They looked at two criteria.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
E seems because Trump made an executive order at the
start of his presidency like looking to identify countries for
a travel ban. The two criteria they had were visa
over stay percentages and the quote unquote not having a
competent central authority to cooperate with vetting, right, So, like
you can't do a background check on someone if their
country doesn't have that facility. It's a claim, right. I
(12:06):
think they got vanmar On visa overst eight percentages. It's
worth noting, right that they use percentages and not raw
numbers for a reason, because, yeah, a certain percentage of
Burmese people may overstay their visa. I think it's twenty
seven point one percent. That amounts to five hundred and
forty three individuals. If we look at, for instance, France,
(12:29):
these are twenty twenty three numbers. About zero point six
percent of French people overstay their visa. That amounts to
nine one hundred and eighty two individuals. Right, So, like
a percentage is great, but if a big percentage of
a small thing is still a small thing. Yeah, this
is how they're attempting to justify it though in terms
of bulletproofing it through the courts. Obviously, they didn't have
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the best luck with their travel ban in the first administration,
so using this tactic is one that they're hoping will
justify it.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Will it will stick the landing through the courts.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
Should add that they have some exemptions right, existing visa
holders who are currently within the United States can remain
in the United States.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Right.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
In practice, lots of these countries only get single entry visas,
so it might be hard for them to leave and
come back. But it's sometimes I've heard it reported that
all these people, like people from these countries can no
longer come to the United States, will be in the
United States, and that's not true. There are exemptions for
people who are dual citizens. There are exemptions for adoptive children.
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There are exemptions for ethnic and religious minorities in Iran.
There are exemptions for sports teams because the United States thing, well,
the United States is holding the World Cup and the Olympics, right, yeah,
so like it would be something of a fascical spectacle
if you know, nineteen countries were not represented. I mean,
(13:50):
the Olympic Games is something of a fascal spectacle to
begin with, one could argue, but yeah, they didn't want that, right,
they didn't want that like international spectacle. So a professional
athlete visa is hard to get at the best of times,
so that is a high bar, but those ones still
seem to be available. And then there's also exemptions for
SIV wrote special immigrant visas. These are people who have
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worked closely with the United States. The vast bulk of
them will be Afghan people, people who worked as interpreters
or otherwise cooperated with the United States during the twenty
years the United States was at.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
War in Afghanistan.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Again, I've seen that mis reported, including by people who
really should know better. But you know, I'm never not
disappointed in a lot of people's immigration coverage. This will
be challenging court, right, but I think they have gone
some way to trying to make this a bit more
bulletproof than they did before. And it is concerning that
(14:46):
they seem to have a better chance. Obviously pretty concerning,
especially for US, you know, with our extensive reboarding on
Burma or Mihanmar, that those people can't come here and
be safe. Yeah, that's a travel man in a nutshell,
I guess.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Also, I think it's worth noting so like this is
just an expanded version Well, I guess it's like a
little bit of differences, but it's basically an expanded version
of the Muslim band from his first term.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Yeah, with some new countries, and I think maybe the
removal of some countries from previously.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
Yeah, And like it's worth noting that, like in Trump.
One like that immediately caused the airport protests, which were
like the first big protests of the administration that were
extremely effective until people like went home. And this time
it's basically not been a news story because we're so
far along that the protests have been about like ices
dragging our neighbors away, and yeah, I just think that's
(15:38):
fucking bad as shit. And also the airport protests, like,
we're really effective.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
They some of the more effective protests in those years. Yeah, yeah,
I am yea.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
I did see a flyer for an airport protest, but
I've seen no evidence of one's occurring.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Yeah. I had heard that there was going to be
one on Monday, but that it just like didn't happen,
So I don't know what's going on with that. Yeah,
but that was a thing that was pretty effective, and
they also didn't eat the shirt of everyone for most
of it, which was nice.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
Yeah, well Mia, talking of beats, how about we dropped
some beats right now with this sick tariff song.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Great work, James, thank you, thank you, Rocking Jazz Rocket
Jazz Bot Sorry Rocket Jazz Rocking Jazz bo.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
The Donald Trump has apparently, according to him, resolved that
the trade war with China. He's planning the negotiation one
he's claiming, he's.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Claiming victory, mission accomplished. Ye the claim that.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
He's making out of the out of the London negotiations.
And I want to point out that I have not
heard anything from the Chinese side. It's possible there will
be soft from the Chinese side by the time this
episode comes out. It's possible this whole deal will have
collass by the time this comes out. It seems like
the deal is that US maintains tariffs at fifty five percent,
(17:06):
which is what they're at right now, China maintains ten
percent tariffs, and then China ensures US access to rare
earth metals, and then the US does Trump was talking
about the US not actually doing a crackdown on like
Chinese international students. So who knows what the fuck is
going to happen with any of that. That is the
(17:28):
reporting that's coming out right now. I don't know. Quite frankly,
I am skeptical this is going to hold. I again, like,
I don't I don't know if, like in two days
when this episode comes out of any of this is
going to be true because again, we have heard nothing
from the Chinese side. It has all been from Trump,
so who the fuck knows. But yeah, that's that. That is.
(17:53):
That is the late of tariff news. This is a
kind of short one.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
That's that's what we've got. That's exciting. That's exciting that
we won. Trade is back. I can go back to
buying everything I owned from Timu, no problem.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
Yeah, I mean, I give my usual disclaimer that fifty
percent tariff on China is like fucking ruinous the global economy,
et cetera, et cetera. I do genuinely hope that, like
the Chinese international students are getting cracked out on because
Jesus fucking Christ, those poor kids. All of these policies
are tied together in this sort of like unhinged like
American Nationalist Project etctera, et cetera. They're all connected. They
(18:28):
hate us all and yay, really really fun time to
be a Chinese trans woman in the US.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
WHOA, Okay, it's also fun to enjoy the COVID vaccine
because we might not get it for much longer. I
guess I'll do a brief update on an episode I
did with Cave a few weeks ago. So RFK has
now dismissed the entirety of the ACIP, the CDC's Vaccine
Advisory Committee that has just been completely dissolved. This happened
(18:58):
on Tuesday. That was the big theory that Cave had
is that if that panel gets dissolved, that that was
kind of the last line of defense with like reasonable
people being in charge of COVID vaccine recommendations at the CDC.
And that has gone And just a few minutes ago,
RFK Junior announced the replacements. And i'd have not had
enough time to look into all these guys because this
(19:20):
was literally just thirty minutes ago, But at least half
of them are at the very least what would be
considered a COVID vaccine skeptic. Oh crazy cool, right wing
libertarian types, people who have been dismissed from their academic positions. Basically,
it's who you would expect RFK two to submit to
a vaccine advisory panel. The very least half are like cranks.
(19:45):
I will try to look into the rest of these
guys in the future. We should probably do a full
follow up episode eventually on the new panel. So not
looking good on the COVID vaccine front.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Yeah, we also have very bad news from the S
which instead of, like you know, I don't know, like
I know, crypto scams are supposed to be the SEC's thing,
but I feel like the FCC also should have fucking
things for crypto scams. But instead of instead of going
after the fucking crypto scams, what they're doing is they're
gonna hold like meetings basically with what is I'm assuming
(20:19):
is going to be a bunch of the most unhingedy
transgrifters and anti trans like packs, frauds, and violent bigots.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Notably not trans people. Yeah, yeah, they will not be included,
no for the statements.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
No trans people, no trans people, No, no, no, no. They're looking
into ways to do like FCC investigations for like deceptive
marketing practices for any doctor and also parents for some reason,
which how the fuck is you're going after a parent
for defective marketing? What the fuck are you doing here?
But anyone who like gives a child's any kind of
trans healthcare.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I mean, is it specifically trans healthcare or are they
trying to like specify like surgical procedures because I've seen
some like Mixtra on this.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
It's unclear right now. The wording that I saw was
so ambiguous that I think it could be anything, but
I don't know. And this is I think one of
the things it's not clear that they know right now,
right like it's all just really really up in the air.
What the fuck this is going to turn into or
if this is even when he turned into anything, we
had that whole at the beginning of Pride, the FBI
was like, hey, you can report like doctors doing like
(21:24):
trans healthcare here too. Things. Yeah, and some of these
have not really turned into anything yet.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
The anti wilk FBI soliciting tips for people providing trans healthcare.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Yeah, yeah, So like, I don't know, we'll put a
pin in that one to see if some fucking horrible
stuff happens out out of there. That's, you know, one
of the next giant anti trans things that they're doing,
as all of the anti immigrant stuff happens, as they
fucking make vaccines illegal.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Like it's so much of the trends DUFF specifically is
like just the chilling effect that it's trying to scare
people away from providing people with the health care that
they need to live faffillian lives and it's working.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Like there are there are lots of clinics that have
like fucking stopped and if you if you are one
of the people at these clinics, fuck you eat shit well.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
And I think that is where people can apply pressure to.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was gonna say, yeah,
it's like there have been protests.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
You're not going to change the mind of the Trunk
administration on this topic at this point, but you can
apply pressure to people who are feeling like they're too
they're too scared to actually provide healthcare, and they can
be reminded that no, it is their duty to provide
people with health care.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Yeah, and and people have successfully gotten clinics to start
to restart like trans healthcare for kids by just going
out and protesting. This is a This is also just
like if you're I don't know, you're in like a
blue city and you don't know immigrants, and you're like,
I want to do a protest, this is the thing
(22:50):
you can do. You can find there's one in Chicago
right now that I'm blanking on the name of where
there's there's a bunch of protests. Yeah, but like you
can find the clinics that are refusing to do this,
and you can go fucking protest them, and this can
and will work.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
We've spoken on the show before to healthcare workers who
are like very dedicated to keeping the provision of gender
affirming care. So like, if you want to listen to more,
you can hear that. You can hear how folks are
organizing to retect that.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
Yeah, and all of those people are fucking heroes, even
if they probably won't be remembered as such for a
long time, but they are and keep doing it and
keep the fight up.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Let's go and break and then return to finish up
on an exciting piece of news.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Hooray, Okay, we are back.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
So as usual, a massive, massive news dropped right after
we finished recording last week's Executives, and that is the
Elon Musk Donald Trump breakup story got a lot more messy.
So this is what we're going to close on, possibly
one of our last Stinky Musk segments.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
But I fucking know it, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
We'll never forget you.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
Eat on.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Oh uh, miyah.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Do you wanna do you wanna start us off here? Yeah,
let's let's start this off with Okay, I have been seeing.
This has kind of stopped now that Elon has kind
of like run crying back the Trump. But like, let's see,
there was a there was a moment where a lot
of the like like Matt Iglacias, like a lot of
the sort of like reasonable Democrats or whatever we're trying
to be, like we should try to recruit Musk into
the coulition.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Now was a scary moment.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
Yeah, yeah, I want to remind everyone this is the
guy who did two Nazi saluted the inauguration two two
of them. He did one and then he did a
second one. People have forgotten that he also did the
second Nazi Like Census administration came into office. He has
spent this time destroying the federal government. He has spent
this time terrorizing like government employees, just shutting down fucking
(24:50):
important government institutions. Enormous numbers of people are going to
die because of the things that he's done, like the
shutting down to USAID, particularly like the vaccine programs, the
anticha V programs. You know, like he's just been doing
all of the shift for this entire time, right, he
has been just systematically looting and tearing apart anything in
the US federal government that even can remotely do anything
(25:12):
for a person from again, everything from like HIV prevention
to like destroying a bunch of the apparatus that like
figures out what the weather is going to be and
tells you when storms are coming. Yeah, he has been
fucking doing that.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Well, like Mia, the weather is woke. You can't you
can't forget the woke weather machines.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
I just had a meeting with the Southeast Alliance where
we're deciding the weather for the next few weeks. Fucking God,
make it less hot here. It's too fucking hot weather,
too hot. I know, well, we have to raise the temperature.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
It's all.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
It's all part of the data plan, large scale political plan.
That's right, you get it, James, Yeah, full of the plan.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
More he more riots, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Okay. It's also remembering that these two were very very
close sort of like during this election cycle, right, Trump
was just straight up going for Buddy, was just I mean,
he's just just like straight up in Philadelphia, like paying
people to vote through these like raffles. Elon Elon, Yeah,
Elon was just like, yeah, straight up doing these right,
Trump just.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Like did a tesla ad.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's like he just did a tesla ad.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
They first buddy has gotta gotta have each other's backs,
you know.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Never say that again.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
So there had started to be a little bit of
tension between them, like as the tariff sort of mounted,
because the tariffs are you know, not good for Elon.
I think things kind of came to a head when
Elon tried to buy the Wisconsin Supreme Court election and
just got his ass kicked harder than anyone I've ever
seen get just absolutely thumped.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
And this is where the policy wonk sector of the
right was starting to like side eye Elon and question
his like yeah, yeah, invincibility, right, this this this this
guy that can come in and like save the Republican Party,
can secure every future election. That's where that I like
view of Elon started to really get called into question.
Maybe this guy is kind of just a one hit wonder.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Yeah, And and and you can also look at a
lot of the stuff that was sort of happening here
in terms of like she is staggeringly unpopular, right, everyone
fucking hates him, and like the Democratic Party did a
really bad job of this. But like just like the
party's base and the Tesla protests were very effective and
like negative, yea polarizing opinion of him. Negative, people really
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really dislike him.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Like worldwide, Yeah, everyone hates it.
Speaker 7 (27:30):
She cost right wing parties elections and countries that like, yeah,
he's never been taggering staggering like she she may have
accidentally saved Germany from fascism for like a decade. Why,
it's very funny, you know, critical support to the to
the fascist carmaker who saves Germany from fascist Yeah yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
And then so okay, so we've we've been coming up
to like the end of his appointment as like a
special what the fuck was the name of the term
special government employeecial government employee? Oh it was special. I
was gonna say that. Then I was like, it can't
be called special government employee.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
We call it a sidge Ski ski Gay. Well, James,
you can't say that, No, no, you can't.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I've been canceled.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
But there was always a question of like what exactly
his role is going to be going forward once his
time as a special government employee like ran out, Yeah,
but then he leaves with Steven Miller's.
Speaker 8 (28:22):
Wife, so as we reported in previous episodes, But the
final break came over the weekend over the.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Budget, big beautiful budget, and Elon.
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Has been pissed off at this budget for like a while,
and over the weekend he finally starts straight up doing
like kill the budget posting and telling people to like
call their senators to kill the budget instead of just
saying it's bad. And this is I think actually an
important thing to note here.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Like like actively campaigning against the budget bill and yeah yeah,
which is essentially Trump's like core policy at this point.
It's like the way to the way to push through
a whole bunch of the stuff that he can't just
do himself as president. Yep, is just trojanhorse through this
budget bill.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
Yeah yeah. And and and then this gets too, I
think something that's like a kind of important split in
the Republican Party right now about this budget, which is
that like Musk is a is a budget deficit true believer, right,
Like yes, he and his guls are trying to destroy
the federal government because like ideologically they don't think it
should really exist except for like as a tool to
hand the money, as a tool to like shoot people
(29:27):
who they don't like but he is part of this
caudra of tech people. And this is very very common
in these tech circles. And you see that in some
finance circles of these people who believe that the US
is about to like enter like the super Great depression
because the amount of the GDP being spent on debt
payments is too high, and so they think if they
(29:47):
don't like stop this right now, And this is partially
why they are trying to like crash the economy, because
they thought that if you crash the economy and he
did all this terrift stuff or like whatever it would
it would decrease the cost of of US borrowing. Now
that didn't happen, right, The interest rates of the bond
shot up because everyone was like, holy fuck, these like
absolute maniacs aren't gonna pay their debt. So you know,
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none of the shit is working. But they are like
true believers on this, yeah right, And this is again
this is very very very common in tech circles. Like
these people who like are are really like, oh God,
the US is gonna die unless we like yeah, like
unless we start just like destroying the national debt.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
And the whole doge idea is built around like Terminal
Tech Brain, and it's it's trying to apply the logic
of these like startups that are kind of scams, but
trying to apply the logic of startups to an entire government.
And there was an interview INPR this week where they
talked to a DOGE employee.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Oh yeah, he has an ex DOGE employee.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
And NPR asked about how much fraud and abuse they
were actually able to find, and he said, quote, I
did not find the federal government to be rife with waste,
fraud and abuse. I was expecting some more easy wins.
I was hoping for opportunity to cut waste, fraud and abuse.
And I do believe that there is a lot of waste.
There's minimal amounts of fraud and abuse to me feels
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relatively non existent. And the reason is, I think we
have a bias as people coming from the tech industry
where we worked at companies you know, such as Google, Facebook,
These companies that have plenty of money, are funded by
investors and have lots of people kind of sitting around
and doing nothing on growth. So his idea that the
government must be full of like fraud and abuse is
because that's just how tech companies work, and he assumed
(31:29):
that the government works the same as a tech company. Yeah,
and I think Elon have uwsed this the exact same way.
That's why he was doing his like Twitter takeover stuff
to the government, is he believed that's how it actually functions,
and it doesn't. That's not really how the federal bureaucracy functions.
Like like these people have just like eaten the fucking
kool aid, right, Like none of the Republicans actually believed that,
like the US like economy functions like a pocketbook, Like
(31:53):
none of them believe that you're because it's not true, right,
Like you don't print your own money, so of course
the US government doesn't find some like pocketbook. But like,
this is the generation of people where like the people
who are just so absolutely pilled on the ideology have
taken over.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
But on the other hand, there is Trump, and Trump
doesn't give off fuck about any of this, right, Like
the faction that Trump here is representing is the faction
of capitalists who just wants tax cuts. You don't give
off fuck about like all of this weird tech brain stuff.
Like they elected Trump with the mandate of handing them
trillions of dollars in these formula tax cuts, and that's
(32:28):
all they care about. And we're getting a giant conflict
between them because as much as Trump has just sort
of been like lying about the budget numbers or whatever
the fuck, if you're one of these actual budget lock people,
you can just look at the budget and go, this
is going to increase the debt by like two trillion
dollars or whatever the fuck, right, And it's revealed a
sort of pre existing source of tension inside of the
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base between the sort of tech people and a lot
of the rest of sectors are capital which aren't as
ideologically pilled. So let's get into all of the actual
shit because it's very funny. So Business Insider put together
a really good minute by minute timeline if you want
to do that. I'm not going through this shit minute
by minute.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
I'm not gonna go through minute by minute. I am.
I am going to go through tweet by tweet tweet
because we have to talk about the tweets. The first
time I've ever really wanted to say that. Yeah, the
first big tweet, and this was you know, amongst Elon
crashing out about the budget bill and talking about how
he's going to cancel certain SpaceX SpaceX projects. But the
(33:28):
first big tweet from Elon was time to drop the
really big bomb at real Donald Trump is in the
Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not
been made public. Have a nice day, Donald J.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Trump.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Mark this place. In the future, the truth will come out.
So this is this is the really big one, as
Elon says, the really big Bob.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
I actually think this, in the long run could be
one of the most important aspects of this entire fight.
Because the right is incredibly conspiracy brains. They've all been
like hyped up on this, like Epstein pill shit and
like like specifically on like the Trump's gonna release Epstein
files and show all the Democrats right, But they've always
(34:10):
had like the psychological block about talking about the fact
that like Trump and Epstein are the most connected motherfuckers
anyone's ever been. I'm gonna read this. There's a very
famous quote from a New York magazine article that's like
Trump talking to a bunch of people at like a meeting. Quote.
I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy, Trump booms
from a speakerphone. He's a lot of fun. To be
(34:32):
with it. Has even said that he likes beautiful women
as much as I do, and many of them are
on the younger side, no doubt about it. Jeffrey enjoys
his social life. So like he knew, right he was
transmitting for ages, Yeah, some two and two, Like he's
he's on Epstein's fucking.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Plain like he is, like everyone knows this, right, like
everyone except everyone knows this right, everyone except for like
the weirdo QAnon, right, yeah, understands this. And some of
the young people try to justify this as being like, no,
Trump was like, you know, a deep mold, a deep
plant who got in close with with Epstein so that
we could eventually round up and arrest all the Democrat pedophiles. Right,
(35:08):
That's what they try to justify it. But now that
that sort of like specific QAnon logic doesn't really exist
as much on the right anymore. Yeah, now people just
like memory hole, especially the right, They just memory hole
that like Trump and Epstein were best buddies.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
Yeah, and like and and this is the thing, it's
been impossible we'll talk about on the right, you just
can't do it, right. Yeah, And suddenly Elon Musk, who
is a guy who like is capable of shifting what
right wing discourse is. Its suddenly like, yeah, this guy's
a pedophile. I want to read this. This, this post
that Trump made has response to this, right I missed
(35:43):
this when this happens. I've only seen this in the
business inside of reporting, so on truth social Trump's response
to this was to post it or to truth the truth.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Of David Shown, who tweeted this quote. I was hired
to lead Jeffrey Fstein's defense as his criminal lawyer nine
days before he died. He sought my advice for months
before that. I can authoritatively, unequivocally and definitively say he
has no information to hurt President Trump. I specifically asked him.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Yeah, that sounds legit.
Speaker 6 (36:18):
This is one of the most unhinged posts I have
ever seen. This genuinely, this is this is not a joke.
If you if you are a fucking poster and you
are like, what can my contribution to like the future
of democracy be? You need to push this shit into
the unhinged like fucking like the depths of like fucking
(36:40):
eight chan right like into into like the fucking breeding
layers of the most unhinged reutling spaces in the world.
You need to be going in and just injecting this
shit straight into their fucking brains. You you need to
be like like just like just just hyping them up
on the most unhinged conspiracies about Trump being like a
fucking like being a fucking Epstein guy, because this is
(37:04):
completely unhinged, Like, what do you mean. His defense lawyer,
who was hired nine days before he died, is supposed
to have specifically asked him about Trump and Trump's response
to being called a pedophile as you go to this
guy fucking inject that shit into right wing discourse. We
know four chan does this the leftist discourse all the
(37:24):
time and injects like the worst discourses of all time.
Fucking do it to them.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
It is odd how this was really the first thing
that breaks through this block on the right. You had
to You had Alex Jones like freaking out on Twitter
being quote, God help us.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
All, Kanye, Oh yay.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Kanye was freaking out, Turn was crashing out on the timeline.
It was really bizarre. Trump's immediate response was saying, quote,
I don't mind Elon turning against me, but he should
have done so months ago, this is one of the
greatest bills ever presented to Congress, and then goes on
to talk about how great the bill is. It's wild.
You had I Miles Chong tweeting about versus the president
(38:05):
who will win My money is on Elon Trump should
be impeached and JD. Van should replace him with Elon
Musk boosting this claim saying yes, yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
It's pretty good. It says pretty funny.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
Something that's extremely indicative of the current cultural moment that
we are at is during this spat, when when things
really broke out on Twitter and truth social during during
this spat, both the Vice President of the United States
and the director of the FBI were on two separate
podcasts and got to live react to this very funny Unfortunately,
(38:46):
I am going to play the clip. I will start
with JD. Vance reacting live on a podcast by someone
named THEO Vaughn.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Here.
Speaker 9 (38:55):
Here's here's my basic reaction to like all this stuff
is luck. First of all, like absolutely not. Donald Trump
didn't do anything wrong with Jeffrey Epstein. Like there's the
guy is whatever the Democrats and the media says about him,
that's totally bs. Here here's my basic my basic read
on it. First of all, I'm the vice President's the
(39:16):
President Trump. My loyalties are always going to be with
the President. And I think that Elon, he's an incredible entrepreneur.
He's actually done I think does was really good. This
sort of effort to root out waste fraud abuse in
our country is really good. And and and look, man,
I'm always going to be loyal to the President, and
I hope that eventually Elon kind of comes back into
(39:36):
the fold. Maybe that's not possible now because he's gone,
so nuclear hope it is.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Do you know why?
Speaker 9 (39:43):
Yeah, I mean so, look, I think number one, Elon's
new to politics, right, So part of it is this
guy got into politics and it's has suffered a lot
for it. But I mean, I and I get the
frustration there, and I get the frustration that me. Look,
Congress got the spending bill, but the main purpose of
(40:04):
the bill is not actually spending or cutting spending, though
it does cut a lot of spending. The main purpose
of the bill is to prevent the biggest tax increase.
But I understand, like it's a good bill, it's not
a perfect bill. Like the process in DC if you're
a business leader, you probably get frustrated with that process
because it's more you know, bureaucratic, it's more slow moving.
So I think there's just some frustrations there. But I really, man,
(40:25):
I think it's a huge mistake for him to go
after the president like that, and I think that if
he and the president are in some blood feud, most importantly,
it's going to be bad for the country. But I
think it's going to be I don't think it's going
to be good for Elon either.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
So that's jd Vance's reaction to this. He eventually got
put onto like damage control. We'll talk about that in
a sec. What is more interesting to me is cash
Ptel's reaction because Patel has been taking fire from the
right for being a little bit soft on the promise
of releasing the full Epstein files, trying to downplay the
(41:00):
tent at the files and say there's really nothing in
there that's super notable, and this has gotten him in
trouble because him and people like Dan Bongino have for
years made a living out of talking about how the
Epstein files is going to, you know, ruin the Democratic Party.
They have they have all of this evidence all this footage,
and now that these guys are in power, they're simply
not talking about this issue. And this has got some
(41:22):
of the qan On right upset and cash Footel's reaction
to this is is frankly baffling. I'm not participating in
that conversation.
Speaker 6 (41:32):
Have a nice day, DD so much takets fall away.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Are going back and forth about different things.
Speaker 6 (41:37):
And yeah, he said he was disappointing Elon. Yeah, I
want to leave Jesus Christ. That's a crazy thing to say.
How does he know? Does he know that Donald Trump
is in the Epstein files or does he have access
to them?
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I don't know how he would, But I'm just staying
out of the Trump Elon thing.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
That's way outside of my life. I know my lane,
and that.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
Ain't What do you mean? This isn't your lane. You're
the director of the FBI, you are in charge of
the Epstein files. This specifically is your lane. This, this
one thing is actually your lane. It's unhinged. Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
His big thing now is yes to wear a hunting
camera all the time. I guess it's his new lane.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
So after the heat of this started to die down,
you started to get more of the right try to,
I guess, soothe the tension. A lot of a lot
of people trying to trying to talk about coming together.
You had right wing commentators trying to frame this as
two alpha males beefing right this this is this is
just how you just how alpha male's.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Beef we got. We've got to quote some of these because.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Jack Pasovic famously said, some of y'all can't handle two
high agency males going at it, and it really shows
this is direct communication, fallow centric versus indirect communication. Guy nocentric,
I understand you aren't used to it. Wonderful stuff from
Pasovic as usual. Yeah, you also had our friends at
(43:00):
the New Norm posting videos about trying to solve this
dispute through a dancing competition. Roll the clip.
Speaker 6 (43:10):
Can't we all just get along?
Speaker 2 (43:13):
We've got to cut you to say.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Hey, I do find it odd that a lot of
people's innate reaction after the heat died down was even
if Elon Musk is semi credibly accusing the president of
being a pedophile. Can't we just all get along together?
I don't know why we can't just get along? This
is this is hurting the country, and Elon's like remark
(43:39):
about Trump being in the files is in and of
itself just kind of baffling from Elon's perspective, because he
was bragging in tweets about how he is responsible for
Trump being elected, and Trump was then having to respond
to that by claiming that they would have won the
election without Elon, but Elon was saying that without him,
Trump would have lost the election right after he called
(43:59):
him a pedophile, which is super interesting because it's essentially
Musk saying, I'm fine with making sure a pedophile gets
elected president, but I draw the line at a bad
spending bill. Yeah, yeah, that's that's really what is too
much for him. The implication is that if he didn't
get essentially shafted from the White House, he just would
have kept this a secret. And he's like okay with
(44:20):
working with Trump otherwise except for the bad bill, and
ye maybe he's maybe he's butt heard about Trump threatening
to terminate his governmental subsidies and contracts, but like, come on, Elons,
this is crazy.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Yeah, yeah, not the most well considered.
Speaker 5 (44:35):
It is fantastic that the richest man in the world
is addicted to posting, because we get some real we
get some real banging posters.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Poster's madness. It never never fails.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
I gotta say though, Trump's posting response terrible. This guy
has washed There's nothing there. He's fucking gone mentally like
he could have fucking get Like even twenty twenty, Trump
just destroys him in one tweet like none of this
is He's there's nothing left there. He's a shell. Now.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
They have now been making attempts to fold the team
back together. It was reported recently that actually on Friday night,
which was the day after this spat on unfolded on Twitter,
but a Friday night jd Vance and Whiteouse chief of
staff Susie Willis had a call with Elon to de
escalate the conflict. Eventually, Elon started deleting some of his
(45:20):
more inflammatory tweets about the president coward and has now
posted quote, I regret some of my posts about President
Trump last week. They went too far.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
I said the thing that wasn't supposed to say.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
So he got us stern talking to by jd Vance,
who is kind of caught in between Trump and Musk
here but has stated that his loyalties will will always
lie with the President. So yeah, that is the current
state of the Musk and Trump fallout, it will not
be able to go back to how it was, but
they might try to play nice again. Yep, I think
(46:00):
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