July 25, 2025 • 51 mins
The gang discuss Trump’s attempts to distract from Epstein, the construction of a 5,000 bed ICE detention camp at Fort Bliss, and cuts to the EPA and public broadcasting.
Sources/Links:
Fundraiser: https://www.gofundme.com/f/immigration-lawyer-for-primrose
https://www.wsj.com/politics/justice-department-told-trump-name-in-epstein-files-727a8038
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/07/1165454
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2025-07-22/fort-bliss-detention-center-migrants-18520342.html
https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract/Article/4250988/
https://www.oversight.gov/sites/default/files/documents/reports/2022-02/DODIG-2022-064.pdf
https://www2.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/232598p.pdf
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/afghan-refugee-fort-bliss/
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Colzon Media.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
This is it could happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly
newscast covering what is happening in the White House, the
crumbling world, and what it means for you. I'm Garson
Davis today. I'm joined by Mia Wong, James Stout, and
Sophie Lichterman. This episode, we are covering the week of
July sixteenth to July twenty three. It has been six
(00:28):
months since Trump has took office. How do we feel
about that, folks?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Wow, there can't be three and a half four years
of this, Like there just can't, Like there will not
be a country left.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Yeah, six months feels like a lifetime and not like
it feels like no time has passed at all.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
So yeah, sixpence of us doing this? She's wild? Was
that forty two months left? Am I correctly auditioning? I
don't you' mar hey is six months?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Welcome to Math cast with doctor and Ames Out.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
A doctor of modern European history. It does not involve
arithmet oh Man.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Let's go straight to Epstein, which is also what Hillary
Clinton's black ops kill squad said after they broke into
the jail.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Wow, Garrison, you are spreading disinformation. That is the one
group of people we can confirm did I kill Jeffrey Epstein?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Harrison Just because Robert's not here, does it mean you
have to go down to his level of humor?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I think yesterday or two days ago, we released Epstein
Update episode where we discussed the first Wall Street Journal
story where they released this type written note given to
Epstein on his fiftieth birthday from Trump, where he wrote
this fake dialogue conversation between him and Epstein saying, among
other things, we have certain things in common Jeffrey, Yes,
(01:55):
we do. Come to think of it, Enigma's never age.
Have you noticed that? As a matter of fact, it
was clear to me last time I saw you, pal
is a wonderful thing. Happy birthday, and may every day
be another wonderful secret quote, which is who you could
have just wrote like a pedophile confession note and it
would be less incriminating than whatever creepy shit you're doing
(02:17):
with this. So if you want to listen to our
full update episode on that, just pop over to the
other episode after Executive Disorder is done. We do have
some other updates to add on because the Epstein thing
keeps being in the news despite the will of Donald Trump,
who definitely wants this not in the news. In fact,
he is trying out a number of distraction techniques, including
(02:40):
releasing some files related to the death of Martin Luther King,
which when everyone's asking to release the files, that's not
the files they were talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Also, the family did not want that to happen.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
It's very dispectful and has stated that for a while.
This is a very cheap way to run some distraction.
Last week, Pambondi sent a request to release the grand
jury files on the Epstein investigation, and this was just
a way to perform transparency because these types of files
usually do not get released, like this was most likely
going to get blocked by the judge, and they knew
(03:11):
that when they sent this request. This was just to
perform this like gesture of transparency, knowing that it wouldn't
actually lead to anything. And all of this stuff goes
against what Trump was saying, like a year ago. A
year ago on Fox News, Trump said that he would
release the files and then although he did kind of
catch himself and realize that that might not be in
his best interest, because he kind of corrected and said
(03:33):
that he would have to make sure there's not phony
stuff in there. Let's play the clip.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Would you declassify the nine to eleven files?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Would you declassified JFK.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Files, Yeah, which I did a lot of it.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Would you declassify the Epstein files?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Yeah, yeah, I would.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
I guess I would. I think that less so because
you know, you don't know if you don't want to
affect people's lives of its phony stuff in there, because
there's a lot of phony stuff with that whole world.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
But I think I would.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
What does that fucking mean? That whole world?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, there's a lot of interesting things in there. Notably,
when Fox first aired this, they only played the first
half of his answer where he said yeah, I would,
and did not air the part where we said, well,
actually maybe not because there's a lot of phony stuff
in there.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Eventually the full clip went online, but at first they
released this shorter clip to make Trump look better, which
there's a lot of similarity to Trump's lawsuit against sixty
minutes in paramount, when they released two different clips of
Kamala Haara's answering a question in like the same week
on two different shows, answer the same question, like two
halves of the answer. Trump said that this was done
(04:43):
explicitly to change the outcome of the election and sued
sixty Minutes for this. And because Paramount, the parent company
of CBS News, is trying to complete a merger with
sky Dance, which needs to be approved by the Trump administration,
Paramount had started interfering with the affairs of sixty minutes,
had just canceled the Colbert A Late show, possibly in
efforts to appease Trump, and just gave him this, this
(05:06):
massive bribe as a way to get out of the lawsuit.
So very similar situation where news companies are playing two
different things from the same answer. I think the one
that happened on Fox News is way more egregious than
the one sixty Minutes Dead. I think the sixty minutes
one makes sense, But that's just a whole tiny aside.
Releasing Epstein files is something that Trump has still been
(05:29):
talking about. Last week, on Wednesday, July sixteenth, in an
Oval Office press conference, he was asked if he would
get Pambondi to try to release more documents. He answered
like this, will you ask a trade general Pambondi to
release more documents?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
To finally put this controversy to that.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
You know, whatever is credible, she can release. If a
document is credible, if the document's there that is credible,
she can release. I think it's I think it's good,
but it's just really it's just a subject. He's dead,
he's gone, and yeah, all it is is the Republicans.
Certain Republicans got duped by the Democrats and they're following
(06:06):
a Democrat playbooker.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
So, after this, Pambondi sent a request to a judge
to unseal the Epstein Maxwell grand jury transcripts, and again
this is the move to feign transparency. Attorney Sarah Chrissoff,
assistant US attorney in Manhattan from two s eight, twenty
twenty one, told the AP that this move was a
quote unquote distraction. Quote the president is trying to present
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himself as if he's doing something here and really it's
nothing unquote. She estimates that these transcripts could be as
little as sixty pages anyway, because it is standard practice
for the Southern District of New York to put very
little information in these transcripts compared to some other states,
and as expected earlier this week, the judge denied this request,
which the Trump admin knew was going to happen because
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they don't release grand jury transcripts. The whole point of
a grand jury is that it's secrets that she did this. Yeah,
so this was never going to happen.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I fear that's.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
But this was a move to make it look like
they were having some level of transparency. Another tactic Trump
has done to distract from the Epstein story is directing
in Tulsa Gabbert to run this huge distraction campaign by
talking about the Obama treeson investigation.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, I'll play a clip here.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
There is irrefutable evidence that detail how President Obama and
his national security team directed the creation of an intelligence
community assessment that they knew was false. They knew it
would promote this contrived narrative that Russia interfered in the
twenty sixteen election to help President Trump win, selling it
to the American people as though it were true.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
It wasn't.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
The report that we released today's shows in great detail
how they carried this out. They manufactured findings from shoddy sources,
They suppressed evidence and credible intelligence that disproved their false claims.
They disobeyed traditional trade craft intelligence community standards and withheld
(08:06):
the truth from the American people.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Very serious stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Just looks like a villain from the Orville.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
What they're talking about is, yeah, there was legitimate investigations
into Russia's meddling in the twenty sixteen election. What they
were unable to prove is conclusive evidence that Trump colluded
with the Russians. But this meddling was real and was proven.
This is stuff that they found and Obama was president
at the time, and yeah, he's gonna know about the investigation.
(08:35):
So they're trying to turn that into this whole giant,
giant hoax regarding Obama trying to steal the twenty sixteen
election again, an election that everyone knows Trump won. Trump
was president from twenty seventeen to early twenty twenty one,
something that some people have tried to forget. Yeah, and
they're trying to run like all of these distractions just
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to keep people from talking about Epstein and this something
that Trump's really good at. All he needs to do
is keep his base from turning on him. And the
way he's gonna do that is make them angry at
other people. He has to find new targets to make
his base upset at and right now he's trying it
out with Obama. Right, He's done that with Biden for years,
He's done that with Clinton for years. Obama is the
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new guy that he hasn't really targeted as much. So
now he's trying to get his supporters really mad at Obama.
And that is the whole way that he's trying to
hold onto their support and hold onto their power. Because, yeah,
some of the Epstein stuff may be a little bit weird,
but did you see how Obama tried to steal the election?
And this is his whole strategy. And he laid the
strategy out at a press conference earlier this week where
he's seen like coaching Republicans to respond to questions about
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Epstein by just talking about Obama and the Russian election
interference investigation, the quote unquote Russia hopes.
Speaker 8 (09:50):
But remember this, Obama cheated on the election, and we
have it called hard blue, and it's getting even more
so because the stuff that's coming in is not even believable.
So and you should mention that every time they give
you a question that's not appropriate, just say, oh, by
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the way, Obama cheated on the election. You'll watch the
camera turn off instantly.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And this is the strategy he uses. Whenever he's asked
about something, he'll talk about the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax,
the Hunter, Biden laptop, things that aren't even real, things
that he's like successfully syoped the country into believing are
like real things. But whenever he's asked a question about Epstein,
you can immediately pivot to that and have that control
the conversation. And he's laying out the strategy here. This
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is what I was talking about last week in d
about how Trump like dictates reality through speech, and he's
trying to coach his fellow Republicans on how to do it.
And they have to catch up on a lot of
stuff because Trump's ties to Epstein have been known for
a long long time. I'm going to play a very
very gross clip from around the turn of the millennia
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talking about eating eighteen models.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
What did you do last night?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
For fun?
Speaker 7 (11:04):
I actually went to the Fashion Award show.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Models working on. But Donald, do you worry because you
have a daughter who's a model?
Speaker 7 (11:14):
I do, and I have a deal with her. She's
just seventeen and she's doing great, Ivanka, and she made
me promise her swear to her that I would never
date a girl younger than her.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
So why did you grow with Howard?
Speaker 5 (11:28):
And she grows older?
Speaker 7 (11:29):
Right, the field is getting very limited.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
To deal now that she's seventeen. His dating field is
getting very limited. I wonder what he could mean by that.
I wonder what that could be insinuating.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Really fucking girls.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Man. Yeah, this shit is actually deeply fucking stick Like, yeah,
it's hideous.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
And also like the fact that the Democrats didn't spend
the entire election just calling him a pedophile and running
ads that were just this man as a pedophile, Like.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
This is stuff we've known for a long time.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yeah, which is all like in the public domain decades
and decades.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
This is from a Guardian article in twenty twenty. At
forty three years old, Donald Trump asked a seventeen year
old girl on a date. Trump asked her out for
dinner in the summer of nineteen eighty nine at an
industry soiree. She recalls Trump asking how old she was, quote,
I said seventeen, and he said that's just great, You're
not too old, not too young unquote.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Legally speaking, too young.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Outrageous, outrageous stuff. And we have some breaking news from
just a few hours ago. We're recording this. On Wednesday,
a second Wall Street Journal article has hit the Trump Towers.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
A new article.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Talking about the Justice Department officials reviewing Attorney General Pam
Bondi's quote unquote truckload of Jeffrey Epstein documents and discovering
that Donald Trump's name appears multiple times. According to senior
administration officials notified Trump about this in May, saying that
a few other high profile names are also in the documents,
(13:07):
and that the DOJ would not be releasing these documents
in order to quote unquote protect victims. As if you
can't censor victims' names or censored how sexual abast material.
This is just a complete cover up.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Oh and by the way, in late breaking news, that's
sure to make everyone considerably more normal. Epstein's defense lawyer,
Roy Black, who's the guy who got him off from
like going to prison for a billion years in two
thousand and seven, just died like today, So okay, sure,
Hillary Clinton kills squad, it's really really working working over
time this point, Like Donald Trump Kills Squad questionable, absolutely
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absolutely need to be retiring the Hillary Clinton Kills squad
jokes because like.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I think it's very likely that Epstein did kill himself.
I do not think you need to believe in that
sort of like conspiratorial thinking to also believe that there's
documented evidence of Trump dating teenagers and wanting to date
majors for the past like forty years, and that's something
that everyone should be aware of. Like, that's not a
(14:07):
conspiracy theory, and you don't need to believe in conspiratorial
thinking to think that that's very likely.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
That said, I do want to establish there is at
least one person on the podcast who thinks that he
might not have I don't know, but every single time
they do more weird shit about it, I'm like, maybe
is this conspiracy brain thinking?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
But I mean, editing the video didn't make anyone more
certain that he killed himself.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
So as we enter the more than six month marker
in the Trump administration, I think we should check in
on howthy youths feel about Donald Trump. Famously, there's a
lot of reporting about how gen Z is, like, you know,
swinging more conservative, how gen Z helped get Trump elected,
and if you look at some February approval numbers, it
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does seem that between ages of eighteen and twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
So too old. Using the aforementioned criteria.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Trump did have a plus ten points approval, with fifty
five percent approving only forty five percent disapproving of his performance. Now,
come July, things have changed dramatically in the youth bracket
eighteen to twenty nine, with only twenty eight percent approval.
It's a negative forty four points and seventy two percent disapproval,
which is a net fifty four point negative swing.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
That's genuinely astonishing, Like.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
That's a huge jump.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
But it's try to jump, Garrison, it's a fall.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
That's you're right, You're right, it is going down.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah, Yeah, it's a plummet.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
This is according to a CBS News polls again, and
I do think me is right. I don't know if
Trump's going to care about this very much because this
does seem to be higher than his preferred dating bracket,
So I don't think he's looking for the approval of
people between eighteen to twenty nine. But this still might
affect him culturally, I guess.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah. Talking of things that have gone down badly, Garrison,
it is now a detigation to pivot to advertisements.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Advertisements are doing just fine from what I hear, and
we are back. Let's do an immigration segment for the
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middle of the show, and I guess I'll first start
with Ice Watch. So the past few weeks, I've seen
multiple videos of ICE pulling over cars and sometimes not
even like pulling over, just like blocking cars and narrow streets,
like stopping them forcefully and then drawing guns as they
get out of the car. By the time they are
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like door open, feed on the ground, gun already drawn.
And they then descend on activists doing ICE watch, basically
people who follow ICE agents around to alert their community
of where ICE currently is. Usually they're live streaming and
this in particular video that I have sent to the
team here very freaky. I think we should just watch
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it here.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, and we can try and describe it
a little bit for listeners.
Speaker 9 (17:18):
If you know how I am, then why the fuck
are you telling me to open the window, and why
the hell are you pointing a gun a fucking taser
on me? If you know who I am? Okay, And
you guys follow everyone everyone, you guys talk people all
the time.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
A very large man wearing a mask, a hoodie and
a baseball cap. No, obviously identification, not in a police uniform,
not in like a order patrol uniform. It's just a
guy who basically forces your car to stop, jumps out,
and points a gun at you.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah, he draws from appendix Carrie Like.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
It's not many states this would be justification to start
shooting at this man.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah. Yeah. There I think reasons why they're not doing
this in state through there's high levels of gun ownership
because they're afraid of that happening. Because it's not clear
at all as the guy's a cop. No, it's a
masked man has forced your car to a halt and
is pulling a gun on you and is approaching you.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yeah, I mean that happens in another country and you
assume you're being robbed, like right, you know, another part
of the world. Like Also, it's notable that the vehicle
doesn't have lights.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
It's not a cop car.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
No, it's not even a US made car like sometimes
cops will use like non marked cars. They're normally US
manufactured right for or US companies for Chevy, et cetera.
This is a Kia. Everything apart from a lanyard hanging
around the guy's neck which is not identifiable as a badge.
Certainly not at this speed. Certainly not while he's drawing
a gun. From appendix carry points to this being someone
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trying to rob.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Or kill you. Very scary.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yeah, I will say I think the fact that they're
being forced to do this in some sense is a
sign that this is really working.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
It's pissing them off. The fact that people are keeping
tabs on where I yeah, yeah, it's working. And like
I keep saying, this is like they're the ones who
are being forced to operate, is if they're working in
a police state, Like they're the ones who are having
to deal with surveillance. They're the ones who are having
to deal with the fact that, like, if they stay
in a place too long, they'll be beast mobilizations and
people will just like drop.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
The hammer on them. It's a really interesting look at
what happens when you try to do this police state
shit in a society where everyone fucking hates you, which
is that all you really have is speed and terror totally.
And so you know they're doing this shit right, like
they're just trying to terrorize people into letting them do
their police state stuff. But if people keep doing it right,
It seriously is like denting their effectiveness a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, I've seen multiple videos like this. Eventually the ICE
agents will call over some like state trooper or like
a DHS guy who does not work or ICE directly
to diffuse this situation. I've seen most of these situations
get eventually diffused, but it's something to I think draw
attention to right now.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, I mean, if this keeps happening, it's likely to
end in violence somewhere, right.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I mean, this is the same thing when they're kidnapping
college students without any clear identification. Yeah, notably doing that
in like New England states where people do not conceal
carry firearms like regularly, as like a regular thing that
like people do.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah, I mean, firearms are not the only means of
violence available to people like that. Lady seemed very calm
and commendably so, but like she could have stepped on
the gas pedal of her car and.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Totally absolutely right. Yeah, And obviously this person knows that
the guy is ICED, because that's why she's following him.
But if ICE just starts getting paranoid about cars behind them,
if they think someone's following them, they can pull us
on someone who's not doing ICE watch. Yeah, they could
just pull us on anyone who they are like suspicious of,
And I think that's when really dangerous situations could start
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breaking out between these like unmarked ICE agents and just
regular citizens.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
And I think the odds of one of them just
snapping and starting shooting is like not zero, because that's
who these people are, and as they're increasingly put under stress.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
They're being trained to you always be afraid of danger,
like more so than even just like regular like cop stuff.
Like they're talking about how like violence against ICE is
up eight hundred percent, where the violence is like someone's
head meets an ICE agent's fist, right, It's that sort
of violence where it's like you're assaulting a cop by
like partially resisting arrest in some way. But they are
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spreading those stats as if this is a real epidemic
of violence against ICE agents right now. Another story I
like to talk about is this deportation hoax story that
I've seen going around social media. Seen it going around
like our slash green card on Reddit, like TikTok, and
even of like local news stories across the country where
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ICE secretly deports an eighty two year old torture survivor
and US legal resident for forty years. This man goes
to an immigration office to replace a green card, and
instead of that happening, Ice handcuffs him, detains him, denies
access to a lawyer, and deports him to Guatemala, a
country where he is not from, with no official paperwork,
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and then is put into the hospital in Guatemala. This
story got super viral the past week, and from what
we can tell, this is not a real story. There
was no immigration appointment in Philadelphia at the time of
this spiral story. Guatemala says that the man is not
in the country. The hospital he was alleged to be at.
Doctors have said there's no man matching this description in
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the story, and the photos attached to this vital story
of the man are not of this guy. The photos
are of a guy who died three years ago. This is,
from what we can tell, an entirely fabricated story that
one local news outlet bought and then spread around From there.
It's not even clear if, like the family members that
were the original source of this even exist. It's not
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clear if this man even exists. So this is from
what we can tell right now, not real, not real
at all, And this is something to keep him in mind.
Just because a story is like scary and just because
it's going by does not necessarily mean it's true. And
we don't need to be sharing fake stories of ICE
deporting people or even going after green card holders, because
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this is actually happening. This is happening in the country
right now, and ICE is defying judicial orders.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yeah, so let's talk about one of those incidents, right
In this case, it's a man called Lionel Navaret Hernandez
who filed a habeas suit in the Central District of
California right against the Department of Home noun Security. Let's
get some background on his case first, and we can
talk about this specific kind of not justifying court orders,
but also the United States Constitution. So he fled to
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the United States in two thousand and nine after being
pursued by the police and falsely accused in El Salvador
and beaten by police several times. I'm going to quote
from the court documents pretty extensively throughout this so quote,
including in one distance, beaten until he vomited blood, resulting
in a cut on his head that scarred and a
fractured finger end quote. In twenty twenty two, he was
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part of a targeted enforcement operation and he was issued
and notice to appear, and then he bonded out right,
so he posted like bail and he was out of
detention right. In January twenty twenty four, he filed for asylum.
He didn't get asylum dus a timing of filing. He
also asked for withholding of removal. I didn't get that
because he quote failed to show that his proposed quote
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particular social groups are cognizable or that his past harm
was because of a protected ground right. So regular listeners
will know that there are certain grounds on which one
can obtain asylum and what has to be part of
these certain categories to obtain asylum. What he did get
was protection of removal under a Convention against torture because
again quoting it is more likely than not that their
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respondent will be detained and tortured in El Salvador. El
Salvador had put out an inter poll red alert for
him for some reason, they deeply wanted him back. Doesn't
seem to be any evidence that this person committed crimes.
I appealed this this protection for removal right, and then
the same day they appealed it, they detained him when
he appeared at his Intensive Supervision Appearance Program check in.
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So ice AP right is one of these things where
instead of being detained, you appear at ICE office and
check in every now and again, right, as opposed to
than just locking you up for the entire time. His
partner then testified to the quote that quote. Lionel called
me and told me that he was arrested. He says,
Immigration officers went up to him and his IAP check
in and told him he was under arrest. Lionel said
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he asked the officers why and informed them he had
an order from the judge. The officer said something like
judges don't Judges' orders don't matter only the president.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Judges orders don't matter only the president. This is a
rogue law enforcement agency in service of a rogue president.
Like yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Lionel then told me that he told the officers he
had an attorney. I'm still quoting from his partner here,
But the officer said that doesn't matter either.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
He has an order forbidding his deportation, and they're telling
him that doesn't matter because the president wants you out
of the country.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, exactly, and that is what they have done, right,
that was the entire rendition of people to l Salbadol
was an end run around that, right, attempting.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
To They're just like saying this to people.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, because that's what they're doing. That's Warren. That's what
they said to the court.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
We sneaked him out before you could stop it.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
So just to update people on this case, he called
from jail in Santa Anna and said he was in
a small space and he heard people being taken to
San Diego or Texas. Then he had to hang up.
He was moved around significantly, right all around, including into Texas.
When he showed up on the detainee locator, the judge
in the case issued attentive restraining order to prevent them
from removing him. In detention, he was only allowed to
(26:36):
make phone calls for three minutes, and in one of
those calls, he told his partner that detention officers, I
guess were telling detainees they were going to be removed
whether or not they signed deportation papers. In his case,
the court has issued an injunction to prevent his removal
or his read attention to soly shout out to this
Central District of California. I guess this is wild, right,
(26:57):
this is dictatorial regime. You have no rights other than
those impression decides to give to you. It's the subtext here.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
It's explicitly the fascist thing of like there are people
who exist outside legal order in order to maintain it,
and that person is the fear. Like that that's just
what this is, right, Like, it's really explicit.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I don't really know what people expect on them, and
you know, the expects addressed like they're in the sound
of music, you know, like this is what fascism looks like.
Let's talk about some more immigration cases.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
What other immigration updates do we have, James.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah, well none of them are great, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
No, the immigration segment has been a bit of a
bummer in the past. Let me check my watch six months.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Yeah, it's hard on the soul and new do as
a district court has struck down the state's law forbidding
private immigration detention. This also happened in California, right, they
said it was stay overy, so this was an issue.
It's federal detentions, seid of Feds get to decide basically right.
So New Jersey had tried to stop Geo Group cour
Civic these massive detention operations from operating private immigration detention
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in the state, couldn't get down on through the court.
Probably the bigger story this week is that the federal
government has signed a contract for a huge five thousand
bed tent camp facility for migration detention of Fort Bliss,
So according to reporting in Bloomberg. Bloomberg has reported that
the contract totals one point twenty six billion. The only
contract I was able to actually find was a Department
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of Defense contract for two hundred and thirty one million,
eight hundred and seventy eight thousand, two hundred and twenty
nine dollars to be precise. What is not being reported
on this? And I don't understand why other than nobody
reported on immigration during the Biden admitt Apparently people are
looking for like analogues. What would this be like? Well,
(28:44):
the Department of Defense operated a tent facility at Fort
Bliss under Operation Allies Welcome for Afghan people arriving in
the United States. So after the bungled withdrawal from Afghanistan, right,
I interviewed one of them. I was freelancing for the
nation at that time, and there'll be a link in
the show notes. But the afghanswa Houals did a place
called Donia Anna Range, which is in New Mexico. So
(29:05):
Bliss Spans Texas in New Mexico. Right, This new complex
ne has to be in a different place because it
will be quote unquote soft sided, which just needs tents. Right,
But this one is accessible from El Paso streets and
it's accessible without entering the Fort Bliss main gate, right,
so people don't have to have on base clearance. The
Afghan site had ninety eight tenths, which each held about
(29:27):
one hundred people. This one will house five thousand people,
so we can assume about five hundred tenths. Right. This
contract for one point two six billion, Operation Allies Welcome
was larger, right. It did other things. For instance, all
those people got their COVID vaccinations because they hadn't gotten
them when they were in Afghanistan. A lot of other
vaccinations too. That that spent three billion just in fiscal
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year twenty twenty two. To give people a sense of
the scale of these things, right, So one point two
six billion, it's not at all out of the question.
And in fact brings me on to my next point,
which is that it may be a bit low given
this company has no experience with this kind of operation.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Right.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
One of the questions we asked back in November when
we did are like what could happen under Trump? Is
how will they stand up these facilities? Who has the
experience to do it well? This company does not have
the experience to do it right. They've never done anything
like this before. They have some logistic compact with DoD,
but they do not have the capacity. At least they
have not shown that they have the capacity to do
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anything on this scale. The DoD operation used a lot
of contractors as well as defact dining facility for food.
And I just want to quote some of the people
I called a bull, who I talked to, who was
in that detention facility. Quote for the past month, nighttime
was the most horrible time for us because every day
it got colder. We didn't have enough warm clothes or
any thick blankets to fight against the cold. They gave
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us a blanket that was so thin we could see
through it. These are people who in some cases fought
alongside United States soldiers, right, Like it's not going to
be better for migrants. Ball also told me the food
wasn't great. He said, quote it's not cooked enough or
it's burned. He did say that he appreciated the quote.
The guy doing the cooking was always asking for feedback.
(31:08):
They tried to cook Afghan food, I guess, and yeah, yeah,
he appreciated the effort to cook food.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Yeah, I mean they ain't going to try that now
this time, right, but not, for instance, provide halal food,
which was a consideration.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I'm assuming this time they're going to be getting the
fucking boldy food from Florida.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, I mean, the United States has a whole bunch
of food should have gone out to many of the
starving people around the world, right, but yeah, has been
left to mold and warehouses. So yeah, they might be
eating the high energy biscuits or the humrats. Talking of food,
Human Rights Watch has reached a report detailing human rights
abuses at detention centers. The report focuses on Chrome North
(31:48):
Service Processing Center OKA Chrome, the Broward Transitional Center, and
the Federal Detention Center. All of these are in Florida.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Are those first two like privately owned better than being
leased or like licensed out to the government.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Yes, they're run by contractors for the government for immigration
detentionent We've talked about Chrome before. It was one that
was already ever crowded, had two deaths.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
It's also the name that I would pick for like
an evil agency, who gets the product prison. Yeah, it's one.
It's Chrome with a K with a K too, which
makes it more evil.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
So the incidence detailed in this report pretty pretty bad.
They include people being forced to eat like dogs with
a hands tied behind their back. They include people being
punished and put in solitary confinement for seeking medical and
mental health help and having their handsipped. I hadn't been
forced to lay down on wet floors, as it's very
common in ice facilities. The air conditioning was turned up
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very high to make it uncomfortably cold.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Just like in like the Florida bomb.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yeah, this is this is the case in every immigration
detention facility that I've heard about. Right, the Spanish word
is like it translates to ice box is the word
that people used to refer That's the colloquial term for
these facilities.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
The FDC staff also used stun grenades and physical force
against detainees protesting denial of food, water, medical attention. The
report details people being detained in crowdedge cells with no
beds or bedding, and denied essential medications. Read a couple
of quotes from people interviewed in a report here. Quote
you could not fall asleep because it was so cold.
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I thought I was going to experience hypothermia. One said
it's like psychological abuse. You feel like your life is over,
said another. All right, we're back.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
This past week, the World Food Program released a new
report on food scarcity in Gaza enforced through the Israeli military,
and also discussed a quote unquote deadly incident this past
Sunday in which dozens of civilians were killed and injured
while waiting to access food as a World Food Program
convoy was entering northern Gaza. The Director of Emergency Preparedness
(34:06):
and Response, Ross Smith said, quote yesterday's incident is one
of the greatest tragedies we've seen for our operations in
Gaza and elsewhere while we're trying to work, and it's
completely avoidable, and it's an absolute tragedy unquote. Currently, food
safety experts warned that one in five people in Gaza
face enforced starvation. I'm going to quote from the un here. Quote,
(34:29):
Mister Smith said, World Food Program assessments show that a
quarter of the population is facing famine like conditions. Almost
one hundred thousand women and children are suffering from severe
acute malnutrition and need treatment as soon as possible. Pointing
to reports, he said, quote people are dying from a
lack of humanitarian assistance every day, and we are seeing
this escalate day by day, saying that food and humanitarian
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assistance are quote the only solution at the moment for
Gaza unquote.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
And it's worth emphasizing with this that like, the food
is there, it is literally just sitting warehouses, like they
can bring it in the moment the blockade lifts, but
the Israelis don't want.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
To bombing people bringing food into Gaza at this point.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Then they keep on doing this thing where they'll be like, oh,
we have food, and then they shoot everyone who shows food.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
So this is something that World Food Program has been saying. Quote.
We also need to have no armed actors near food
and distribution points, near our convoys, and near the movement
of those convoys from one place to another.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
This is basic humanitarian a ship. This is like one
oh one fucking operating humanitarian resources in a conflict zone stuff.
This isn't new stuff, right. This is asking the IDEF
to do what you would expect any reasonable actor to
do in one of these situations. Obviously the IDEF not
a particularly reasonable actor.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Rain speaking of things they don't like, Oh.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Garrison, you cannot compare the work of Joe Strama to
the ideas unre Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Like Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
All right, welcome to tariff talk thing where I had
no role in the prior transition to it. So we've
gotten a few tariff deals over the week. We got
one with the Philippines where Trump has negotiated a deal
for a nineteen percent tariff on all goods and the
Philippines coming to the US. There's also been a deal
(36:26):
established with Japan where we're out of terif rate of
fifteen percent. This one also has and there's been a
few of these deals that have things like this where
Japan also had to agree to invest five hundred and
fifty billion dollars in the US. It's really unclear how
that's going to work, Like it might just be loans.
(36:47):
That's the part I don't even know if it's going
to happen, because it's so staggeringly fuzzy and unclear as
to what any of that means. Trump has been talking
about how there's going to be like a ninety ten
profit split where Americans take the ninety percent of the
profits in Japan takes on tempers very weird, very weird.
This is also look, it's worth noting that the last
(37:07):
time we deliberately decapped Japan's export manufacturing economy dreating the
Plaza Accords, it kicked off an economic crisis that Japan
has literally never recovered from. Like people used to talk
about the Japanese economy in the way that we talk
about the Chinese economy now is like the emerging, rising,
unstoppable force that was going to like become the world's
greatest manufacturing power, and we don't do that anymore, partially
(37:27):
because of like Japan hit like structural overcapacity in the market.
Blah blah blah blah blah. Listen to me on every
other episode where I talk about the Plaza Accords and
structural global manufacturing over capacity. But again, the second thing
is we also made their manufacturing less competitive and it
destroyed the entire global economy, Like it's the reason two
thousand and eight happened is because we did that and
(37:48):
we're doing it again. Like twenty eight percent of the
Japanese economy is based on like car exports, So that's great,
that's fun. There's also been reports that there's a deal
with the EU coming. I don't know who knows. I'm
not going to say what's in it because we don't
know if this is going to happen. There's that one
in particular. There's a lot of things that can torpedo it,
(38:10):
but it's not great. Also, these terrorists, by the way,
are replacing the ones that are scheduled to go into
effect on August first. Trump is still promising to put
out tariff things for one hundred and twenty countries or
something like that. I don't know the nub of the
number is exactly right now. It keeps changing, keeps also
not writing those letters, so who knows.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Silky Doki.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Yeah, great way to have terrorist policy, say is that
Trump says something on truth social and then doesn't do it.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
And sometimes he does, yes, sometimes he does.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
It's good. It's a good way to do things.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
It's okay.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
So speaking of things, being done badly. We need to
talk about NPR and PBS because the Republicans just cut
one point one billion dollars from public broadcasting, which is like, all.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Again, we were reported on what Elmo said last week.
It's not a surprise that PBS is getting cut after this.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
I language, hold on, We have not on this show
talked about the fact that PBS like sold Sesame Street.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yes, that's true.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
This is so ghoulish, like it does Jenny Wieley. Sesame
Street was like one of the few really truly great
triumphs of American state media. Like it was specifically designed
to teach kids in underprivileged backgrounds how to read.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Now it's on like like HBO, Max or Netflix are
still available on public podcasting.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Some of it's in a public domain, Like it's probably
on YouTube because it's been out for SOTI.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Yeah, but like the problem is, like, this is Jenni Wineley,
one of the greatest public goods the US ever created,
and it was fucking looted and privatized and and now
as all of its funding is being cut, Trump has
basically been pissed off at public podcasting for ages. Actually, hilariously,
a lot of this One of the big origin points
of this was that they had friend of the show
(39:50):
Vicky Osterweil on NPR to do an interview about her
book in Defensive Looting and Republican has been mad ever since.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Like a few months ago, Trump signing Executive Order to
quote unquote end taxpayer subsidation of biased media, which specifically
sought to defund MPR and PBS through ending contributions through
the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, in the order saying quote,
government funding of news media in this environment is not
only outdated and unnecessary, but corrosive to the appearance of
(40:20):
journalistic independence. And instead they replaced the role of PBS
and NPR with One American News, the super far right
mode in sending like American News overseas. Instead of rooting
things like the Voice of America, they are explicitly entering
a partnership with OA N which is of the.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Certain stuff like Voice of American News and the Cuban
Broadcasting Office right like where they which are explicitly like
these are things the US government goes to to advance
its a gender abroad like this isn't.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
And now the way that they're doing that is with
one America, which is really funny because that probably does
make it less effective. I do want to circle back
a little bit to what this is going to do
to MPR and PPS, because like the main central NPR.
I mean, obviously it's a disaster for even like the
national MPR, but like this is going to just annihilate
any semblages of like local news.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Right, like yeah, because they rely on public broadcasting and
NPR massively around the country.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Especially in rural areas. Like one of the Reportsoy was
ridic was talking about how like Texas was expecting to
lose half of their like NPR stations and like rural areas.
This is just like the apocalypse for any kind of
like rural local news. And you know, obviously, like this
is a part of trust attempt to just consolidate all
of the American media under his control through a combination
of destroying this kind of stuff and then doing lawsuits.
(41:41):
And also and this is another thing we need to
talk about, is like here'shon you talked about this Guidiance
merger and how that you know, is being used as
leverage to like just destroy the gut CBS, loot it
and turn it into just like a pro Trumpet.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Outlet, right, like allegedly entering in a cooperation deal with
the Free Press from Barry Weiss exert editorial control over
CBS News, which we'll just take the outlet destroy sixty minutes,
one of the most respectable, longstanding television news programs in
the history of the country.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
I think there's a very good argument that this is
what Bezos is doing to the Washington Post. Right, is
better for these people that news outlets don't exist, or
like seven people read the like unhandebar right things than
it is for like anything to actually exist. This is
all again like media consolidation of a diictorial regime being
accelerated by the fact that all of these things are
owned either by corporations or individual billionaires. So that's bad.
(42:37):
Speaking of bad, the EPA's Office of Research has just
been eliminated. This is a unbelievable catastrophe because the EPA's
Office of Research does all of the basic research about
like is this chemical dangerous? What does this chemical do
to the environment, what does like what do these pollution
levels do? This is the part of the EPA that
(42:58):
undergirds like basically all in our mental regulations and all
regulations on things like chemical protection. Right, it comes out
of this Office of Research. That's where the standards are set,
that's where the science has done that is used in
basically like all like regulatory policy that the EPA does
that other agencies used to, and they're just destroying it.
Trump has said that they're going to move some of
(43:19):
it to other offices, but they've already been massively downsizing
the EPA. Every day we edge closer and closer to
w're just like, this is the country with no environmental regulations.
We're seeing it more and more. At some point on
the show, we're going to cover all of the unhinged
shit that's been happening with the power stations and like
generators set up to power AI stuff. I also want
(43:40):
to specifically mention one of the things that the New
York Times reported on, which is that the people who
are running the destruction of the EPA have been trying
to get rid of the integrated risk information system, which,
if you've ever dealt with dangerous chemicals, the integrated risk
information system is the system that tells you what the
effects of it are. Every chemical has one right, and
(44:02):
these fucking people like there's a guy who's now in
the American First Policy Institute, which, like Trump, pulls a
lot of shit from who is literally talking about just
getting rid of it because quote, IRIS evaluations often rely
on worst case scenario hazard assumptions that fail to consider
real world exposure.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
That's kind of the situation with these things, isn't you
don't want to look at the worst case scenario.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
Yes, And when you don't look at the worst case scenario.
One of the other agencies that's been like just destroyed
is the US Chemical Safety and Hazard Investigation Board, which
is very famous for doing a bunch of very very
good YouTube videos about like plant disasters and like how
safety violations and safety laps has caused like fucking plants
to explode. And that's just like gone now. And this is,
(44:48):
you know, the world that these people want you to
live in is a world in which you don't know
what all of these corporations are pumping into the environment
around you. And even if you can figure out what
the chemicals they're pumping, like into the roundwater that you're
drinking is, you're not supposed to know what it does.
This is just like the basic infrastructure for how all
American like chemical operations work, and they're just trying to
(45:13):
destroy it.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
You know.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
Great, speaking of chemicals, Yeah, speaking of chemicals and the
government trying to destroy it. The government of Puerto Rico
has passed a bill that bans gender affirming care of
all kinds for anyone under the age of twenty one,
because twenty one is the.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Age, the highest that we've seen.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
So what's happening here is twenty one is the age
which become a legal adult in Puerto Rico, which is unhinged. Yeah,
this is the highest band we've seen. We've seen a
couple of other places try to do it to nineteen.
This also includes what's basically a high amendment for transcare,
like all transcare of all ages that says that like
state money cannot be used, so state insurance stuff like
(45:54):
that in Puerto Rico cannot be used to pay for
any gender affirming care at all, which is fucking hideous.
This is basically the thing we were trying to stop
with medicaid wherever we did stop medicaid the Lost Budget bill,
but they've passed a local version of it. This bill
promises this I think it's up to five years in
prison and fifteen thousand dollars in fines for anyone who
(46:14):
gives trans healthcare to anyone under the age of twenty one.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
So if you never plan to visit Puerto Rico, it's
time to start mailing gender firm and care services to
people in Puerto Rico.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
The fun part, too, is this law is worded so
loosely that there is genuine concern that it could apply
to Like if you are a parent and you try
to get your kid gender firman care, this could apply
to you.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
There's I would say, I think that aspect of it
is still a little bit unclear. I don't want to
inspire too much panic in that sense. I think a
lot of it is directed at people who work in
the medical industry. But still I think if you do
not ever want to visit Puerto Rico and you want
to help trans people.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Because presumably like no ban on like the import of
the products, right, I guess some product it themselves controlled.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
Yeah, I mean in Chlade, they don't start doing that.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
But because famously there's never illegal drugs mailed in the
United States, they can't stop us. Fell us. We're getting
the HRT one way or another. But this sucks and
it will force people to adapt and it's a really
unfortunate to see. But I do believe in the ability
which tries people to overcome the state's attacks against us.
(47:28):
Before we close, there's actually one other piece of important
news that we need to discuss. We're turning once again
to the Stinky Musky segment because the Tesla Diner has
finally opened. I know we've been waiting for this for
a long time. It is open in La, right right, yeah,
so James, you need to get up there and go
to the Tesla Diner. They have cyber truck food containers,
(47:51):
so that's cool.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
They have Tesla robots helping to serve food and drinks.
It's what they're calling retro futurist style. I would never
say that. And most importantly, if you want to spend
twelve dollars, you can get yourself a single serving of
epic bacon that's on the menu. It's called epic Bacon.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
Twelve dollars.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Twelve dollars Epic bacon at the Tesla diaers twelve oh.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
They also opened it at four to twenty.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
I saw that they also have avocado toast, which is
great for those of us who will never afford a home.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
I can't support the Tesla diners serving this lib cock
avocado toes needs to be beef tallow fries.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Well, unfortunately they did put buttermilk bread with avocado toast.
So just so like vegan people can't eat there.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
I guess there you go.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Yeah, and again I cannot go to the Testa diner.
I don't have to return to Buffalo Wild Wings at
two am like I did when I was up in
La covering the protest a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
You know, four wild Wings open that late? Incredible.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Let me tell you it was time.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
What other time are you going to be eating Buffalo
wild wings?
Speaker 3 (48:59):
You lunch? They are like a fucking psycho in college.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
But it was a good time back in the.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
This is a great time. God, no one looked to
be weird for wearing a fucking plate carrier with press stand.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Buffalo that is a war zone. It's basically one step
removed from like waffle house.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
Yeah yeah, which is in turn one step removed from Falujah.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
So, James, I thought that you wanted to plug.
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Speaker 2 (49:59):
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July sixteenth to July twenty three. It has been six
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months since Trump has took office. How do we feel
about that, folks?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Wow, there can't be three and a half four years
of this, Like there just can't, Like there will not
be a country left.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Yeah, six months feels like a lifetime and not like
it feels like no time has passed at all.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
So yeah, sixpence of us doing this? She's wild? Was
that forty two months left? Am I correctly auditioning? I
don't you' mar hey is six months?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Welcome to Math cast with doctor and Ames Out.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
A doctor of modern European history. It does not involve
arithmet oh Man.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Let's go straight to Epstein, which is also what Hillary
Clinton's black ops kill squad said after they broke into
the jail.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Wow, Garrison, you are spreading disinformation. That is the one
group of people we can confirm did I kill Jeffrey Epstein?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Harrison Just because Robert's not here, does it mean you
have to go down to his level of humor?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I think yesterday or two days ago, we released Epstein
Update episode where we discussed the first Wall Street Journal
story where they released this type written note given to
Epstein on his fiftieth birthday from Trump, where he wrote
this fake dialogue conversation between him and Epstein saying, among
other things, we have certain things in common Jeffrey, Yes,
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we do. Come to think of it, Enigma's never age.
Have you noticed that? As a matter of fact, it
was clear to me last time I saw you, pal
is a wonderful thing. Happy birthday, and may every day
be another wonderful secret quote, which is who you could
have just wrote like a pedophile confession note and it
would be less incriminating than whatever creepy shit you're doing
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with this. So if you want to listen to our
full update episode on that, just pop over to the
other episode after Executive Disorder is done. We do have
some other updates to add on because the Epstein thing
keeps being in the news despite the will of Donald Trump,
who definitely wants this not in the news. In fact,
he is trying out a number of distraction techniques, including
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releasing some files related to the death of Martin Luther King,
which when everyone's asking to release the files, that's not
the files they were talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Also, the family did not want that to happen.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
It's very dispectful and has stated that for a while.
This is a very cheap way to run some distraction.
Last week, Pambondi sent a request to release the grand
jury files on the Epstein investigation, and this was just
a way to perform transparency because these types of files
usually do not get released, like this was most likely
going to get blocked by the judge, and they knew
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that when they sent this request. This was just to
perform this like gesture of transparency, knowing that it wouldn't
actually lead to anything. And all of this stuff goes
against what Trump was saying, like a year ago. A
year ago on Fox News, Trump said that he would
release the files and then although he did kind of
catch himself and realize that that might not be in
his best interest, because he kind of corrected and said
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that he would have to make sure there's not phony
stuff in there. Let's play the clip.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Would you declassify the nine to eleven files?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Would you declassified JFK.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Files, Yeah, which I did a lot of it.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Would you declassify the Epstein files?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Yeah, yeah, I would.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
I guess I would. I think that less so because
you know, you don't know if you don't want to
affect people's lives of its phony stuff in there, because
there's a lot of phony stuff with that whole world.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
But I think I would.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
What does that fucking mean? That whole world?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, there's a lot of interesting things in there. Notably,
when Fox first aired this, they only played the first
half of his answer where he said yeah, I would,
and did not air the part where we said, well,
actually maybe not because there's a lot of phony stuff
in there.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Eventually the full clip went online, but at first they
released this shorter clip to make Trump look better, which
there's a lot of similarity to Trump's lawsuit against sixty
minutes in paramount, when they released two different clips of
Kamala Haara's answering a question in like the same week
on two different shows, answer the same question, like two
halves of the answer. Trump said that this was done
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explicitly to change the outcome of the election and sued
sixty Minutes for this. And because Paramount, the parent company
of CBS News, is trying to complete a merger with
sky Dance, which needs to be approved by the Trump administration,
Paramount had started interfering with the affairs of sixty minutes,
had just canceled the Colbert A Late show, possibly in
efforts to appease Trump, and just gave him this, this
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massive bribe as a way to get out of the lawsuit.
So very similar situation where news companies are playing two
different things from the same answer. I think the one
that happened on Fox News is way more egregious than
the one sixty Minutes Dead. I think the sixty minutes
one makes sense, But that's just a whole tiny aside.
Releasing Epstein files is something that Trump has still been
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talking about. Last week, on Wednesday, July sixteenth, in an
Oval Office press conference, he was asked if he would
get Pambondi to try to release more documents. He answered
like this, will you ask a trade general Pambondi to
release more documents?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
To finally put this controversy to that.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
You know, whatever is credible, she can release. If a
document is credible, if the document's there that is credible,
she can release. I think it's I think it's good,
but it's just really it's just a subject. He's dead,
he's gone, and yeah, all it is is the Republicans.
Certain Republicans got duped by the Democrats and they're following
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a Democrat playbooker.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
So, after this, Pambondi sent a request to a judge
to unseal the Epstein Maxwell grand jury transcripts, and again
this is the move to feign transparency. Attorney Sarah Chrissoff,
assistant US attorney in Manhattan from two s eight, twenty
twenty one, told the AP that this move was a
quote unquote distraction. Quote the president is trying to present
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himself as if he's doing something here and really it's
nothing unquote. She estimates that these transcripts could be as
little as sixty pages anyway, because it is standard practice
for the Southern District of New York to put very
little information in these transcripts compared to some other states,
and as expected earlier this week, the judge denied this request,
which the Trump admin knew was going to happen because
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they don't release grand jury transcripts. The whole point of
a grand jury is that it's secrets that she did this. Yeah,
so this was never going to happen.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I fear that's.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
But this was a move to make it look like
they were having some level of transparency. Another tactic Trump
has done to distract from the Epstein story is directing
in Tulsa Gabbert to run this huge distraction campaign by
talking about the Obama treeson investigation.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, I'll play a clip here.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
There is irrefutable evidence that detail how President Obama and
his national security team directed the creation of an intelligence
community assessment that they knew was false. They knew it
would promote this contrived narrative that Russia interfered in the
twenty sixteen election to help President Trump win, selling it
to the American people as though it were true.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
It wasn't.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
The report that we released today's shows in great detail
how they carried this out. They manufactured findings from shoddy sources,
They suppressed evidence and credible intelligence that disproved their false claims.
They disobeyed traditional trade craft intelligence community standards and withheld
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the truth from the American people.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Very serious stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Just looks like a villain from the Orville.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
What they're talking about is, yeah, there was legitimate investigations
into Russia's meddling in the twenty sixteen election. What they
were unable to prove is conclusive evidence that Trump colluded
with the Russians. But this meddling was real and was proven.
This is stuff that they found and Obama was president
at the time, and yeah, he's gonna know about the investigation.
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So they're trying to turn that into this whole giant,
giant hoax regarding Obama trying to steal the twenty sixteen
election again, an election that everyone knows Trump won. Trump
was president from twenty seventeen to early twenty twenty one,
something that some people have tried to forget. Yeah, and
they're trying to run like all of these distractions just
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to keep people from talking about Epstein and this something
that Trump's really good at. All he needs to do
is keep his base from turning on him. And the
way he's gonna do that is make them angry at
other people. He has to find new targets to make
his base upset at and right now he's trying it
out with Obama. Right, He's done that with Biden for years,
He's done that with Clinton for years. Obama is the
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new guy that he hasn't really targeted as much. So
now he's trying to get his supporters really mad at Obama.
And that is the whole way that he's trying to
hold onto their support and hold onto their power. Because, yeah,
some of the Epstein stuff may be a little bit weird,
but did you see how Obama tried to steal the election?
And this is his whole strategy. And he laid the
strategy out at a press conference earlier this week where
he's seen like coaching Republicans to respond to questions about
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Epstein by just talking about Obama and the Russian election
interference investigation, the quote unquote Russia hopes.
Speaker 8 (09:50):
But remember this, Obama cheated on the election, and we
have it called hard blue, and it's getting even more
so because the stuff that's coming in is not even believable.
So and you should mention that every time they give
you a question that's not appropriate, just say, oh, by
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the way, Obama cheated on the election. You'll watch the
camera turn off instantly.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And this is the strategy he uses. Whenever he's asked
about something, he'll talk about the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax,
the Hunter, Biden laptop, things that aren't even real, things
that he's like successfully syoped the country into believing are
like real things. But whenever he's asked a question about Epstein,
you can immediately pivot to that and have that control
the conversation. And he's laying out the strategy here. This
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is what I was talking about last week in d
about how Trump like dictates reality through speech, and he's
trying to coach his fellow Republicans on how to do it.
And they have to catch up on a lot of
stuff because Trump's ties to Epstein have been known for
a long long time. I'm going to play a very
very gross clip from around the turn of the millennia
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talking about eating eighteen models.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
What did you do last night?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
For fun?
Speaker 7 (11:04):
I actually went to the Fashion Award show.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Models working on. But Donald, do you worry because you
have a daughter who's a model?
Speaker 7 (11:14):
I do, and I have a deal with her. She's
just seventeen and she's doing great, Ivanka, and she made
me promise her swear to her that I would never
date a girl younger than her.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
So why did you grow with Howard?
Speaker 5 (11:28):
And she grows older?
Speaker 7 (11:29):
Right, the field is getting very limited.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
To deal now that she's seventeen. His dating field is
getting very limited. I wonder what he could mean by that.
I wonder what that could be insinuating.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Really fucking girls.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Man. Yeah, this shit is actually deeply fucking stick Like, yeah,
it's hideous.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
And also like the fact that the Democrats didn't spend
the entire election just calling him a pedophile and running
ads that were just this man as a pedophile, Like.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
This is stuff we've known for a long time.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yeah, which is all like in the public domain decades
and decades.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
This is from a Guardian article in twenty twenty. At
forty three years old, Donald Trump asked a seventeen year
old girl on a date. Trump asked her out for
dinner in the summer of nineteen eighty nine at an
industry soiree. She recalls Trump asking how old she was, quote,
I said seventeen, and he said that's just great, You're
not too old, not too young unquote.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Legally speaking, too young.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Outrageous, outrageous stuff. And we have some breaking news from
just a few hours ago. We're recording this. On Wednesday,
a second Wall Street Journal article has hit the Trump Towers.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
A new article.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Talking about the Justice Department officials reviewing Attorney General Pam
Bondi's quote unquote truckload of Jeffrey Epstein documents and discovering
that Donald Trump's name appears multiple times. According to senior
administration officials notified Trump about this in May, saying that
a few other high profile names are also in the documents,
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and that the DOJ would not be releasing these documents
in order to quote unquote protect victims. As if you
can't censor victims' names or censored how sexual abast material.
This is just a complete cover up.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Oh and by the way, in late breaking news, that's
sure to make everyone considerably more normal. Epstein's defense lawyer,
Roy Black, who's the guy who got him off from
like going to prison for a billion years in two
thousand and seven, just died like today, So okay, sure,
Hillary Clinton kills squad, it's really really working working over
time this point, Like Donald Trump Kills Squad questionable, absolutely
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absolutely need to be retiring the Hillary Clinton Kills squad
jokes because like.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I think it's very likely that Epstein did kill himself.
I do not think you need to believe in that
sort of like conspiratorial thinking to also believe that there's
documented evidence of Trump dating teenagers and wanting to date
majors for the past like forty years, and that's something
that everyone should be aware of. Like, that's not a
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conspiracy theory, and you don't need to believe in conspiratorial
thinking to think that that's very likely.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
That said, I do want to establish there is at
least one person on the podcast who thinks that he
might not have I don't know, but every single time
they do more weird shit about it, I'm like, maybe
is this conspiracy brain thinking?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
But I mean, editing the video didn't make anyone more
certain that he killed himself.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
So as we enter the more than six month marker
in the Trump administration, I think we should check in
on howthy youths feel about Donald Trump. Famously, there's a
lot of reporting about how gen Z is, like, you know,
swinging more conservative, how gen Z helped get Trump elected,
and if you look at some February approval numbers, it
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does seem that between ages of eighteen and twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
So too old. Using the aforementioned criteria.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Trump did have a plus ten points approval, with fifty
five percent approving only forty five percent disapproving of his performance. Now,
come July, things have changed dramatically in the youth bracket
eighteen to twenty nine, with only twenty eight percent approval.
It's a negative forty four points and seventy two percent disapproval,
which is a net fifty four point negative swing.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
That's genuinely astonishing, Like.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
That's a huge jump.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
But it's try to jump, Garrison, it's a fall.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
That's you're right, You're right, it is going down.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah, Yeah, it's a plummet.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
This is according to a CBS News polls again, and
I do think me is right. I don't know if
Trump's going to care about this very much because this
does seem to be higher than his preferred dating bracket,
So I don't think he's looking for the approval of
people between eighteen to twenty nine. But this still might
affect him culturally, I guess.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah. Talking of things that have gone down badly, Garrison,
it is now a detigation to pivot to advertisements.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Advertisements are doing just fine from what I hear, and
we are back. Let's do an immigration segment for the
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middle of the show, and I guess I'll first start
with Ice Watch. So the past few weeks, I've seen
multiple videos of ICE pulling over cars and sometimes not
even like pulling over, just like blocking cars and narrow streets,
like stopping them forcefully and then drawing guns as they
get out of the car. By the time they are
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like door open, feed on the ground, gun already drawn.
And they then descend on activists doing ICE watch, basically
people who follow ICE agents around to alert their community
of where ICE currently is. Usually they're live streaming and
this in particular video that I have sent to the
team here very freaky. I think we should just watch
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it here.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, and we can try and describe it
a little bit for listeners.
Speaker 9 (17:18):
If you know how I am, then why the fuck
are you telling me to open the window, and why
the hell are you pointing a gun a fucking taser
on me? If you know who I am? Okay, And
you guys follow everyone everyone, you guys talk people all
the time.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
A very large man wearing a mask, a hoodie and
a baseball cap. No, obviously identification, not in a police uniform,
not in like a order patrol uniform. It's just a
guy who basically forces your car to stop, jumps out,
and points a gun at you.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah, he draws from appendix Carrie Like.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
It's not many states this would be justification to start
shooting at this man.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah. Yeah. There I think reasons why they're not doing
this in state through there's high levels of gun ownership
because they're afraid of that happening. Because it's not clear
at all as the guy's a cop. No, it's a
masked man has forced your car to a halt and
is pulling a gun on you and is approaching you.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yeah, I mean that happens in another country and you
assume you're being robbed, like right, you know, another part
of the world. Like Also, it's notable that the vehicle
doesn't have lights.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
It's not a cop car.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
No, it's not even a US made car like sometimes
cops will use like non marked cars. They're normally US
manufactured right for or US companies for Chevy, et cetera.
This is a Kia. Everything apart from a lanyard hanging
around the guy's neck which is not identifiable as a badge.
Certainly not at this speed. Certainly not while he's drawing
a gun. From appendix carry points to this being someone
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trying to rob.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Or kill you. Very scary.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yeah, I will say I think the fact that they're
being forced to do this in some sense is a
sign that this is really working.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
It's pissing them off. The fact that people are keeping
tabs on where I yeah, yeah, it's working. And like
I keep saying, this is like they're the ones who
are being forced to operate, is if they're working in
a police state, Like they're the ones who are having
to deal with surveillance. They're the ones who are having
to deal with the fact that, like, if they stay
in a place too long, they'll be beast mobilizations and
people will just like drop.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
The hammer on them. It's a really interesting look at
what happens when you try to do this police state
shit in a society where everyone fucking hates you, which
is that all you really have is speed and terror totally.
And so you know they're doing this shit right, like
they're just trying to terrorize people into letting them do
their police state stuff. But if people keep doing it right,
It seriously is like denting their effectiveness a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, I've seen multiple videos like this. Eventually the ICE
agents will call over some like state trooper or like
a DHS guy who does not work or ICE directly
to diffuse this situation. I've seen most of these situations
get eventually diffused, but it's something to I think draw
attention to right now.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, I mean, if this keeps happening, it's likely to
end in violence somewhere, right.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I mean, this is the same thing when they're kidnapping
college students without any clear identification. Yeah, notably doing that
in like New England states where people do not conceal
carry firearms like regularly, as like a regular thing that
like people do.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah, I mean, firearms are not the only means of
violence available to people like that. Lady seemed very calm
and commendably so, but like she could have stepped on
the gas pedal of her car and.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Totally absolutely right. Yeah, And obviously this person knows that
the guy is ICED, because that's why she's following him.
But if ICE just starts getting paranoid about cars behind them,
if they think someone's following them, they can pull us
on someone who's not doing ICE watch. Yeah, they could
just pull us on anyone who they are like suspicious of,
And I think that's when really dangerous situations could start
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breaking out between these like unmarked ICE agents and just
regular citizens.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
And I think the odds of one of them just
snapping and starting shooting is like not zero, because that's
who these people are, and as they're increasingly put under stress.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
They're being trained to you always be afraid of danger,
like more so than even just like regular like cop stuff.
Like they're talking about how like violence against ICE is
up eight hundred percent, where the violence is like someone's
head meets an ICE agent's fist, right, It's that sort
of violence where it's like you're assaulting a cop by
like partially resisting arrest in some way. But they are
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spreading those stats as if this is a real epidemic
of violence against ICE agents right now. Another story I
like to talk about is this deportation hoax story that
I've seen going around social media. Seen it going around
like our slash green card on Reddit, like TikTok, and
even of like local news stories across the country where
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ICE secretly deports an eighty two year old torture survivor
and US legal resident for forty years. This man goes
to an immigration office to replace a green card, and
instead of that happening, Ice handcuffs him, detains him, denies
access to a lawyer, and deports him to Guatemala, a
country where he is not from, with no official paperwork,
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and then is put into the hospital in Guatemala. This
story got super viral the past week, and from what
we can tell, this is not a real story. There
was no immigration appointment in Philadelphia at the time of
this spiral story. Guatemala says that the man is not
in the country. The hospital he was alleged to be at.
Doctors have said there's no man matching this description in
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the story, and the photos attached to this vital story
of the man are not of this guy. The photos
are of a guy who died three years ago. This is,
from what we can tell, an entirely fabricated story that
one local news outlet bought and then spread around From there.
It's not even clear if, like the family members that
were the original source of this even exist. It's not
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clear if this man even exists. So this is from
what we can tell right now, not real, not real
at all, And this is something to keep him in mind.
Just because a story is like scary and just because
it's going by does not necessarily mean it's true. And
we don't need to be sharing fake stories of ICE
deporting people or even going after green card holders, because
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this is actually happening. This is happening in the country
right now, and ICE is defying judicial orders.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yeah, so let's talk about one of those incidents, right
In this case, it's a man called Lionel Navaret Hernandez
who filed a habeas suit in the Central District of
California right against the Department of Home noun Security. Let's
get some background on his case first, and we can
talk about this specific kind of not justifying court orders,
but also the United States Constitution. So he fled to
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the United States in two thousand and nine after being
pursued by the police and falsely accused in El Salvador
and beaten by police several times. I'm going to quote
from the court documents pretty extensively throughout this so quote,
including in one distance, beaten until he vomited blood, resulting
in a cut on his head that scarred and a
fractured finger end quote. In twenty twenty two, he was
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part of a targeted enforcement operation and he was issued
and notice to appear, and then he bonded out right,
so he posted like bail and he was out of
detention right. In January twenty twenty four, he filed for asylum.
He didn't get asylum dus a timing of filing. He
also asked for withholding of removal. I didn't get that
because he quote failed to show that his proposed quote
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particular social groups are cognizable or that his past harm
was because of a protected ground right. So regular listeners
will know that there are certain grounds on which one
can obtain asylum and what has to be part of
these certain categories to obtain asylum. What he did get
was protection of removal under a Convention against torture because
again quoting it is more likely than not that their
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respondent will be detained and tortured in El Salvador. El
Salvador had put out an inter poll red alert for
him for some reason, they deeply wanted him back. Doesn't
seem to be any evidence that this person committed crimes.
I appealed this this protection for removal right, and then
the same day they appealed it, they detained him when
he appeared at his Intensive Supervision Appearance Program check in.
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So ice AP right is one of these things where
instead of being detained, you appear at ICE office and
check in every now and again, right, as opposed to
than just locking you up for the entire time. His
partner then testified to the quote that quote. Lionel called
me and told me that he was arrested. He says,
Immigration officers went up to him and his IAP check
in and told him he was under arrest. Lionel said
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he asked the officers why and informed them he had
an order from the judge. The officer said something like
judges don't Judges' orders don't matter only the president.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Judges orders don't matter only the president. This is a
rogue law enforcement agency in service of a rogue president.
Like yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Lionel then told me that he told the officers he
had an attorney. I'm still quoting from his partner here,
But the officer said that doesn't matter either.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
He has an order forbidding his deportation, and they're telling
him that doesn't matter because the president wants you out
of the country.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, exactly, and that is what they have done, right,
that was the entire rendition of people to l Salbadol
was an end run around that, right, attempting.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
To They're just like saying this to people.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, because that's what they're doing. That's Warren. That's what
they said to the court.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
We sneaked him out before you could stop it.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
So just to update people on this case, he called
from jail in Santa Anna and said he was in
a small space and he heard people being taken to
San Diego or Texas. Then he had to hang up.
He was moved around significantly, right all around, including into Texas.
When he showed up on the detainee locator, the judge
in the case issued attentive restraining order to prevent them
from removing him. In detention, he was only allowed to
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make phone calls for three minutes, and in one of
those calls, he told his partner that detention officers, I
guess were telling detainees they were going to be removed
whether or not they signed deportation papers. In his case,
the court has issued an injunction to prevent his removal
or his read attention to soly shout out to this
Central District of California. I guess this is wild, right,
(26:57):
this is dictatorial regime. You have no rights other than
those impression decides to give to you. It's the subtext here.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
It's explicitly the fascist thing of like there are people
who exist outside legal order in order to maintain it,
and that person is the fear. Like that that's just
what this is, right, Like, it's really explicit.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I don't really know what people expect on them, and
you know, the expects addressed like they're in the sound
of music, you know, like this is what fascism looks like.
Let's talk about some more immigration cases.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
What other immigration updates do we have, James.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah, well none of them are great, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
No, the immigration segment has been a bit of a
bummer in the past. Let me check my watch six months.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Yeah, it's hard on the soul and new do as
a district court has struck down the state's law forbidding
private immigration detention. This also happened in California, right, they
said it was stay overy, so this was an issue.
It's federal detentions, seid of Feds get to decide basically right.
So New Jersey had tried to stop Geo Group cour
Civic these massive detention operations from operating private immigration detention
(28:01):
in the state, couldn't get down on through the court.
Probably the bigger story this week is that the federal
government has signed a contract for a huge five thousand
bed tent camp facility for migration detention of Fort Bliss,
So according to reporting in Bloomberg. Bloomberg has reported that
the contract totals one point twenty six billion. The only
contract I was able to actually find was a Department
(28:23):
of Defense contract for two hundred and thirty one million,
eight hundred and seventy eight thousand, two hundred and twenty
nine dollars to be precise. What is not being reported
on this? And I don't understand why other than nobody
reported on immigration during the Biden admitt Apparently people are
looking for like analogues. What would this be like? Well,
(28:44):
the Department of Defense operated a tent facility at Fort
Bliss under Operation Allies Welcome for Afghan people arriving in
the United States. So after the bungled withdrawal from Afghanistan, right,
I interviewed one of them. I was freelancing for the
nation at that time, and there'll be a link in
the show notes. But the afghanswa Houals did a place
called Donia Anna Range, which is in New Mexico. So
(29:05):
Bliss Spans Texas in New Mexico. Right, This new complex
ne has to be in a different place because it
will be quote unquote soft sided, which just needs tents. Right,
But this one is accessible from El Paso streets and
it's accessible without entering the Fort Bliss main gate, right,
so people don't have to have on base clearance. The
Afghan site had ninety eight tenths, which each held about
(29:27):
one hundred people. This one will house five thousand people,
so we can assume about five hundred tenths. Right. This
contract for one point two six billion, Operation Allies Welcome
was larger, right. It did other things. For instance, all
those people got their COVID vaccinations because they hadn't gotten
them when they were in Afghanistan. A lot of other
vaccinations too. That that spent three billion just in fiscal
(29:49):
year twenty twenty two. To give people a sense of
the scale of these things, right, So one point two
six billion, it's not at all out of the question.
And in fact brings me on to my next point,
which is that it may be a bit low given
this company has no experience with this kind of operation.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Right.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
One of the questions we asked back in November when
we did are like what could happen under Trump? Is
how will they stand up these facilities? Who has the
experience to do it well? This company does not have
the experience to do it right. They've never done anything
like this before. They have some logistic compact with DoD,
but they do not have the capacity. At least they
have not shown that they have the capacity to do
(30:26):
anything on this scale. The DoD operation used a lot
of contractors as well as defact dining facility for food.
And I just want to quote some of the people
I called a bull, who I talked to, who was
in that detention facility. Quote for the past month, nighttime
was the most horrible time for us because every day
it got colder. We didn't have enough warm clothes or
any thick blankets to fight against the cold. They gave
(30:48):
us a blanket that was so thin we could see
through it. These are people who in some cases fought
alongside United States soldiers, right, Like it's not going to
be better for migrants. Ball also told me the food
wasn't great. He said, quote it's not cooked enough or
it's burned. He did say that he appreciated the quote.
The guy doing the cooking was always asking for feedback.
(31:08):
They tried to cook Afghan food, I guess, and yeah, yeah,
he appreciated the effort to cook food.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Yeah, I mean they ain't going to try that now
this time, right, but not, for instance, provide halal food,
which was a consideration.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I'm assuming this time they're going to be getting the
fucking boldy food from Florida.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, I mean, the United States has a whole bunch
of food should have gone out to many of the
starving people around the world, right, but yeah, has been
left to mold and warehouses. So yeah, they might be
eating the high energy biscuits or the humrats. Talking of food,
Human Rights Watch has reached a report detailing human rights
abuses at detention centers. The report focuses on Chrome North
(31:48):
Service Processing Center OKA Chrome, the Broward Transitional Center, and
the Federal Detention Center. All of these are in Florida.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Are those first two like privately owned better than being
leased or like licensed out to the government.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Yes, they're run by contractors for the government for immigration
detentionent We've talked about Chrome before. It was one that
was already ever crowded, had two deaths.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
It's also the name that I would pick for like
an evil agency, who gets the product prison. Yeah, it's one.
It's Chrome with a K with a K too, which
makes it more evil.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
So the incidence detailed in this report pretty pretty bad.
They include people being forced to eat like dogs with
a hands tied behind their back. They include people being
punished and put in solitary confinement for seeking medical and
mental health help and having their handsipped. I hadn't been
forced to lay down on wet floors, as it's very
common in ice facilities. The air conditioning was turned up
(32:42):
very high to make it uncomfortably cold.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Just like in like the Florida bomb.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yeah, this is this is the case in every immigration
detention facility that I've heard about. Right, the Spanish word
is like it translates to ice box is the word
that people used to refer That's the colloquial term for
these facilities.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
The FDC staff also used stun grenades and physical force
against detainees protesting denial of food, water, medical attention. The
report details people being detained in crowdedge cells with no
beds or bedding, and denied essential medications. Read a couple
of quotes from people interviewed in a report here. Quote
you could not fall asleep because it was so cold.
(33:20):
I thought I was going to experience hypothermia. One said
it's like psychological abuse. You feel like your life is over,
said another. All right, we're back.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
This past week, the World Food Program released a new
report on food scarcity in Gaza enforced through the Israeli military,
and also discussed a quote unquote deadly incident this past
Sunday in which dozens of civilians were killed and injured
while waiting to access food as a World Food Program
convoy was entering northern Gaza. The Director of Emergency Preparedness
(34:06):
and Response, Ross Smith said, quote yesterday's incident is one
of the greatest tragedies we've seen for our operations in
Gaza and elsewhere while we're trying to work, and it's
completely avoidable, and it's an absolute tragedy unquote. Currently, food
safety experts warned that one in five people in Gaza
face enforced starvation. I'm going to quote from the un here. Quote,
(34:29):
Mister Smith said, World Food Program assessments show that a
quarter of the population is facing famine like conditions. Almost
one hundred thousand women and children are suffering from severe
acute malnutrition and need treatment as soon as possible. Pointing
to reports, he said, quote people are dying from a
lack of humanitarian assistance every day, and we are seeing
this escalate day by day, saying that food and humanitarian
(34:51):
assistance are quote the only solution at the moment for
Gaza unquote.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
And it's worth emphasizing with this that like, the food
is there, it is literally just sitting warehouses, like they
can bring it in the moment the blockade lifts, but
the Israelis don't want.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
To bombing people bringing food into Gaza at this point.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Then they keep on doing this thing where they'll be like, oh,
we have food, and then they shoot everyone who shows food.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
So this is something that World Food Program has been saying. Quote.
We also need to have no armed actors near food
and distribution points, near our convoys, and near the movement
of those convoys from one place to another.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
This is basic humanitarian a ship. This is like one
oh one fucking operating humanitarian resources in a conflict zone stuff.
This isn't new stuff, right. This is asking the IDEF
to do what you would expect any reasonable actor to
do in one of these situations. Obviously the IDEF not
a particularly reasonable actor.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Rain speaking of things they don't like, Oh.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Garrison, you cannot compare the work of Joe Strama to
the ideas unre Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Like Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
All right, welcome to tariff talk thing where I had
no role in the prior transition to it. So we've
gotten a few tariff deals over the week. We got
one with the Philippines where Trump has negotiated a deal
for a nineteen percent tariff on all goods and the
Philippines coming to the US. There's also been a deal
(36:26):
established with Japan where we're out of terif rate of
fifteen percent. This one also has and there's been a
few of these deals that have things like this where
Japan also had to agree to invest five hundred and
fifty billion dollars in the US. It's really unclear how
that's going to work, Like it might just be loans.
(36:47):
That's the part I don't even know if it's going
to happen, because it's so staggeringly fuzzy and unclear as
to what any of that means. Trump has been talking
about how there's going to be like a ninety ten
profit split where Americans take the ninety percent of the
profits in Japan takes on tempers very weird, very weird.
This is also look, it's worth noting that the last
(37:07):
time we deliberately decapped Japan's export manufacturing economy dreating the
Plaza Accords, it kicked off an economic crisis that Japan
has literally never recovered from. Like people used to talk
about the Japanese economy in the way that we talk
about the Chinese economy now is like the emerging, rising,
unstoppable force that was going to like become the world's
greatest manufacturing power, and we don't do that anymore, partially
(37:27):
because of like Japan hit like structural overcapacity in the market.
Blah blah blah blah blah. Listen to me on every
other episode where I talk about the Plaza Accords and
structural global manufacturing over capacity. But again, the second thing
is we also made their manufacturing less competitive and it
destroyed the entire global economy, Like it's the reason two
thousand and eight happened is because we did that and
(37:48):
we're doing it again. Like twenty eight percent of the
Japanese economy is based on like car exports, So that's great,
that's fun. There's also been reports that there's a deal
with the EU coming. I don't know who knows. I'm
not going to say what's in it because we don't
know if this is going to happen. There's that one
in particular. There's a lot of things that can torpedo it,
(38:10):
but it's not great. Also, these terrorists, by the way,
are replacing the ones that are scheduled to go into
effect on August first. Trump is still promising to put
out tariff things for one hundred and twenty countries or
something like that. I don't know the nub of the
number is exactly right now. It keeps changing, keeps also
not writing those letters, so who knows.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Silky Doki.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Yeah, great way to have terrorist policy, say is that
Trump says something on truth social and then doesn't do it.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
And sometimes he does, yes, sometimes he does.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
It's good. It's a good way to do things.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
It's okay.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
So speaking of things, being done badly. We need to
talk about NPR and PBS because the Republicans just cut
one point one billion dollars from public broadcasting, which is like, all.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Again, we were reported on what Elmo said last week.
It's not a surprise that PBS is getting cut after this.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
I language, hold on, We have not on this show
talked about the fact that PBS like sold Sesame Street.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yes, that's true.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
This is so ghoulish, like it does Jenny Wieley. Sesame
Street was like one of the few really truly great
triumphs of American state media. Like it was specifically designed
to teach kids in underprivileged backgrounds how to read.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Now it's on like like HBO, Max or Netflix are
still available on public podcasting.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Some of it's in a public domain, Like it's probably
on YouTube because it's been out for SOTI.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Yeah, but like the problem is, like, this is Jenni Wineley,
one of the greatest public goods the US ever created,
and it was fucking looted and privatized and and now
as all of its funding is being cut, Trump has
basically been pissed off at public podcasting for ages. Actually, hilariously,
a lot of this One of the big origin points
of this was that they had friend of the show
(39:50):
Vicky Osterweil on NPR to do an interview about her
book in Defensive Looting and Republican has been mad ever since.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Like a few months ago, Trump signing Executive Order to
quote unquote end taxpayer subsidation of biased media, which specifically
sought to defund MPR and PBS through ending contributions through
the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, in the order saying quote,
government funding of news media in this environment is not
only outdated and unnecessary, but corrosive to the appearance of
(40:20):
journalistic independence. And instead they replaced the role of PBS
and NPR with One American News, the super far right
mode in sending like American News overseas. Instead of rooting
things like the Voice of America, they are explicitly entering
a partnership with OA N which is of the.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Certain stuff like Voice of American News and the Cuban
Broadcasting Office right like where they which are explicitly like
these are things the US government goes to to advance
its a gender abroad like this isn't.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
And now the way that they're doing that is with
one America, which is really funny because that probably does
make it less effective. I do want to circle back
a little bit to what this is going to do
to MPR and PPS, because like the main central NPR.
I mean, obviously it's a disaster for even like the
national MPR, but like this is going to just annihilate
any semblages of like local news.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Right, like yeah, because they rely on public broadcasting and
NPR massively around the country.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Especially in rural areas. Like one of the Reportsoy was
ridic was talking about how like Texas was expecting to
lose half of their like NPR stations and like rural areas.
This is just like the apocalypse for any kind of
like rural local news. And you know, obviously, like this
is a part of trust attempt to just consolidate all
of the American media under his control through a combination
of destroying this kind of stuff and then doing lawsuits.
(41:41):
And also and this is another thing we need to
talk about, is like here'shon you talked about this Guidiance
merger and how that you know, is being used as
leverage to like just destroy the gut CBS, loot it
and turn it into just like a pro Trumpet.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Outlet, right, like allegedly entering in a cooperation deal with
the Free Press from Barry Weiss exert editorial control over
CBS News, which we'll just take the outlet destroy sixty minutes,
one of the most respectable, longstanding television news programs in
the history of the country.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
I think there's a very good argument that this is
what Bezos is doing to the Washington Post. Right, is
better for these people that news outlets don't exist, or
like seven people read the like unhandebar right things than
it is for like anything to actually exist. This is
all again like media consolidation of a diictorial regime being
accelerated by the fact that all of these things are
owned either by corporations or individual billionaires. So that's bad.
(42:37):
Speaking of bad, the EPA's Office of Research has just
been eliminated. This is a unbelievable catastrophe because the EPA's
Office of Research does all of the basic research about
like is this chemical dangerous? What does this chemical do
to the environment, what does like what do these pollution
levels do? This is the part of the EPA that
(42:58):
undergirds like basically all in our mental regulations and all
regulations on things like chemical protection. Right, it comes out
of this Office of Research. That's where the standards are set,
that's where the science has done that is used in
basically like all like regulatory policy that the EPA does
that other agencies used to, and they're just destroying it.
Trump has said that they're going to move some of
(43:19):
it to other offices, but they've already been massively downsizing
the EPA. Every day we edge closer and closer to
w're just like, this is the country with no environmental regulations.
We're seeing it more and more. At some point on
the show, we're going to cover all of the unhinged
shit that's been happening with the power stations and like
generators set up to power AI stuff. I also want
(43:40):
to specifically mention one of the things that the New
York Times reported on, which is that the people who
are running the destruction of the EPA have been trying
to get rid of the integrated risk information system, which,
if you've ever dealt with dangerous chemicals, the integrated risk
information system is the system that tells you what the
effects of it are. Every chemical has one right, and
(44:02):
these fucking people like there's a guy who's now in
the American First Policy Institute, which, like Trump, pulls a
lot of shit from who is literally talking about just
getting rid of it because quote, IRIS evaluations often rely
on worst case scenario hazard assumptions that fail to consider
real world exposure.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
That's kind of the situation with these things, isn't you
don't want to look at the worst case scenario.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
Yes, And when you don't look at the worst case scenario.
One of the other agencies that's been like just destroyed
is the US Chemical Safety and Hazard Investigation Board, which
is very famous for doing a bunch of very very
good YouTube videos about like plant disasters and like how
safety violations and safety laps has caused like fucking plants
to explode. And that's just like gone now. And this is,
(44:48):
you know, the world that these people want you to
live in is a world in which you don't know
what all of these corporations are pumping into the environment
around you. And even if you can figure out what
the chemicals they're pumping, like into the roundwater that you're
drinking is, you're not supposed to know what it does.
This is just like the basic infrastructure for how all
American like chemical operations work, and they're just trying to
(45:13):
destroy it.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
You know.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
Great, speaking of chemicals, Yeah, speaking of chemicals and the
government trying to destroy it. The government of Puerto Rico
has passed a bill that bans gender affirming care of
all kinds for anyone under the age of twenty one,
because twenty one is the.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Age, the highest that we've seen.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
So what's happening here is twenty one is the age
which become a legal adult in Puerto Rico, which is unhinged. Yeah,
this is the highest band we've seen. We've seen a
couple of other places try to do it to nineteen.
This also includes what's basically a high amendment for transcare,
like all transcare of all ages that says that like
state money cannot be used, so state insurance stuff like
(45:54):
that in Puerto Rico cannot be used to pay for
any gender affirming care at all, which is fucking hideous.
This is basically the thing we were trying to stop
with medicaid wherever we did stop medicaid the Lost Budget bill,
but they've passed a local version of it. This bill
promises this I think it's up to five years in
prison and fifteen thousand dollars in fines for anyone who
(46:14):
gives trans healthcare to anyone under the age of twenty one.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
So if you never plan to visit Puerto Rico, it's
time to start mailing gender firm and care services to
people in Puerto Rico.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
The fun part, too, is this law is worded so
loosely that there is genuine concern that it could apply
to Like if you are a parent and you try
to get your kid gender firman care, this could apply
to you.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
There's I would say, I think that aspect of it
is still a little bit unclear. I don't want to
inspire too much panic in that sense. I think a
lot of it is directed at people who work in
the medical industry. But still I think if you do
not ever want to visit Puerto Rico and you want
to help trans people.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Because presumably like no ban on like the import of
the products, right, I guess some product it themselves controlled.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
Yeah, I mean in Chlade, they don't start doing that.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
But because famously there's never illegal drugs mailed in the
United States, they can't stop us. Fell us. We're getting
the HRT one way or another. But this sucks and
it will force people to adapt and it's a really
unfortunate to see. But I do believe in the ability
which tries people to overcome the state's attacks against us.
(47:28):
Before we close, there's actually one other piece of important
news that we need to discuss. We're turning once again
to the Stinky Musky segment because the Tesla Diner has
finally opened. I know we've been waiting for this for
a long time. It is open in La, right right, yeah,
so James, you need to get up there and go
to the Tesla Diner. They have cyber truck food containers,
(47:51):
so that's cool.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
They have Tesla robots helping to serve food and drinks.
It's what they're calling retro futurist style. I would never
say that. And most importantly, if you want to spend
twelve dollars, you can get yourself a single serving of
epic bacon that's on the menu. It's called epic Bacon.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
Twelve dollars.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Twelve dollars Epic bacon at the Tesla diaers twelve oh.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
They also opened it at four to twenty.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
I saw that they also have avocado toast, which is
great for those of us who will never afford a home.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
I can't support the Tesla diners serving this lib cock
avocado toes needs to be beef tallow fries.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Well, unfortunately they did put buttermilk bread with avocado toast.
So just so like vegan people can't eat there.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
I guess there you go.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Yeah, and again I cannot go to the Testa diner.
I don't have to return to Buffalo Wild Wings at
two am like I did when I was up in
La covering the protest a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
You know, four wild Wings open that late? Incredible.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Let me tell you it was time.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
What other time are you going to be eating Buffalo
wild wings?
Speaker 3 (48:59):
You lunch? They are like a fucking psycho in college.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
But it was a good time back in the.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
This is a great time. God, no one looked to
be weird for wearing a fucking plate carrier with press stand.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Buffalo that is a war zone. It's basically one step
removed from like waffle house.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
Yeah yeah, which is in turn one step removed from Falujah.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
So, James, I thought that you wanted to plug.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
That's right, Okay, So we do have an email address.
It's a encrypted email address. And you can send us
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(49:46):
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Speaker 2 (49:59):
We we are.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
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I know she still has a lot of significant expenses
(50:21):
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