Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #33

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Cool Zone Media.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
This is it could happen here. Executive Disorder, our weekly
newscast covering what is happening in the White House, the
crumbling world, and what it means for you. I'm Garrison
Davis today I'm joined by Sophie Lecterman, Robert Evans, and
James Stout. This episode, we are covering the week of
September fourth to September eleventh.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Never wait, remember, wait, what never forget whichever one of
those were supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
So we had a very big news week already, and
then a very big piece of news happened yesterday, when
we usually record Executive Disorder, but this is Thursday. We
waited a little bit to get some more information before
we talk about this story, which'll probably be the biggest
story of the week, the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
So On Wednesday, September tenth, at Utah Valley University at
around twelve to twenty three pm Mountain time, Charlie kirk
was shot during a campus event. It was a big
outdoor event. The crowd, I mean, there's some good footage
of elevation of the size of the crowd it was.
It looked like several thousand people who had shown up

(01:18):
to I think it did all. It seemed like largely supporters,
but there was certainly a mix of supporters and protesters around.
And yeah, Kirk was shot once from a distance of
I think the right now, the best estimate is around
one hundred and fifty yards. I mean, that's precise, not accurate,
because people are kind of basing it on just sort
of like looking at the images and doing like maps,

(01:41):
the satellite estimation, right, right, But that does seem credible
based on what I've seen, about one hundred and fifty
yards or so, which is not long range. That's not
like short range. It's like low medium range for a rifle.
And they found, or at least the FBI is saying
they found the rifle, and the pictures show it to
be an extremely normal looking bolt action rifle. Kirk was
shot once in the neck. It hit his brain stem.

(02:04):
You can kind of tell by the way his arms
moved after he was shot, so he probably lost consciousness immediately,
and he was declared dead about two hours later at
the hospital. But that's largely because that tends to be
how it's handled when somebody has shot like this, they
don't like to announce their death immediately, even if they
died immediately, Like that's just kind of it's best pret

(02:26):
you want to make sure you've contacted the family and
everything like that. So that's what happened.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah, and his case of family were present I think
at at the event.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
I mean, I'm sure some of them, but there's yeah,
like not ever, like they would have probably wanted, Like
I doubt his parents or whatever were all there or whatever,
like even if his wife and kids were sure.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah, toty makes sense.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, those are the facts that we can verify,
and there's actually fairly little besides this other than some
time stuff that we can verify perfectly. Like they're currently
saying that about eleven fifty two a mountain time the
shooter arrived near campus, because they do have some videos
of the person they think was the shooter. There were
at least two people who were taken into custody right

(03:10):
after the shooting who proved not to be the guy,
and I think they were just grabbing people like it
did not they did not seem to be any good reason.
One of them had a pellet rifle.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
The first guy started shouting after the shooting. And I'll
do it again. And this prompted him to be detained,
but was later found to not be a legitimate suspect
in the shooting.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
No, because he was right next to the shooting. Yeah,
had no weapon, nothing. So I mean, those are the
facts as they stand right now. The photo that has
been released of the guy they think did it looks
like about eighty percent of the male population of Utah
clean shaven, but otherwise he looked just as nondescriptives like

(03:55):
this dude takes his hat off, maybe shaves his head,
like it would not be wildly difficult for him to
hide because he does not look like pretty greeny.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Picture is not as clear as something like the United
Healthcare CEO shooting.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, and the FBI did offer a reward of up
to one hundred thousand dollars for information.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
We do know that, Yeah, which points towards the usefulness
of the tips they have been getting so far. Exactly.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah. Yeah, the rifle is for anyone who's interested. It
looks they thought it was a Mauser.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
I guess it didn't look like one from the photos
that they released, but maybe that maybe that was yet again,
not the gun because the FBI has said a lot
of things and then backtracked on it.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, the New York Post has a pit sho of
a sporterized Spanish mauser with a composite stock. Have you
seen that one, Robert.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yes, that's the one I saw that. It looked like
a savage to me. But is that is that a
sportized eight millimeter that was rebarreled the thirty eight six?

Speaker 3 (04:57):
That would be my guest, the Spanish mausers, you anyone
I'm aware of that the bolt turned down in that way.
Good idea, but that it's not a great picture. It
could also be something else.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Because it just looked like any hunting rifle on a
store rack the photo that I saw.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah, yeah, No, I think it's someone who has done
a sported job on it.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
What's somewhat interesting about that, like, other than just being
a dweeb, is that potentially one could acquire a gun
like that without having filled out forty four to seventy
three form right like an FBI background check. I know
they will if they have the weapon, they will certainly
be pursuing trying to trace that as one of the
ways they're trying to locate the shooter. Yes, so if

(05:39):
this person's either a relative could have acquired it before
it was necessary to do a forty four to seventy
three yes, or I think with curios and relics in
some states, or antique weapons, you don't have to do
a background check.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
No, and you don't have to do a background check.
I mean, face to face sales are I believe legal
in Utah. Yes, private face to face sales are legal
in Utah.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
So if this guy bought basically, what that means is
if this guy just bought a gun in cash from
a dude, there's not a record of that, although said
dude might come forward.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
That said, the fact that this is a sportized old
mouser means this could be a gun that's put in
the family a while that he's sportized, in which case
there's absolutely no record of it.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah. Yeah, definitely, I'm guessing. I've seen people call it
a high powered rifle and stuff like. Just just be
aware it's kind of an old gun.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
It's an old gun. I mean, if it's thirty, If
it is thirty at six, I would say that's a
high power cartridge. H No, it is, that's a big
round but yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
It's a full size rifle cartridge for sure.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
People hunt deer with thirty at six all the time.
It's an extremely normal hunting rifle.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yeah, like probably top five most common kinds of rifle
for someone to have in this country.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
And that was bolt action hunting rifles my assumption as
soon as I saw the video, because the guy fired
one shot, and it's relatively uncommon for people who are
shooting in mass crowded public situations like this to limit
themselves to a single round, which it just suggests number one,
like a bolt action, which I also thought was likely
because they didn't leave any amo behind. And if he

(07:10):
was firing something like an ar, those can fling brass
so widely that you can't easily catch it, like if
you're especially if you're trying to escape immediately after shooting.
And yeah, I would guess. I'm seeing a lot of
people online obviously conspiracy start. I'm seeing so many people
say like this had to have been a hit, This
was a professional, only a professional hit have done.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
This Trump distracting from Epstein, this was the massage that
this was any number of unhinged theories around nice.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Event, And I will say, right now as pertains the
competence of the shooter. Anyone who had picked up a
gun for the first time couldn't have easily done this,
Like I doubt this as someone who was new to firearms,
but anyone who like shot a deer once or twice
a year could have made this happen. Anybody who went
to the range, you know, once or twice a month

(07:59):
for a while, could have gotten competent enough to make
a shot like this very easily, very doable for like
hobbyist shooters, which there are many of in the United
States and any other in Utah. I would be shocked
if like less than about eighty percent of the adult
male population of Utah could have made the shot. Right.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
You do not need like military training, You do not
need to be a veteran to make this shot.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
And I think it's very irresponsible to see so many people,
like including people who are journalists, speculating like that. Like
I know that generally firearms are not covered well in
the US media despite being ubiquitous here, but like in
cases like this, it's okay no to no, but it's
better to be quiet if you don't know.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yes, the other thing I guess we should get into
is in terms of the escape and what we know.
This is also not something that necessitates fucking Navy seal training, right, Like, Yeah,
you're a white, clean cut guy in fucking Salt Lake City.
If you have a bag that you could hide your
gun in and you get down, maybe throw on a
different jacket or something like that over your shirt or

(08:59):
change shirt. It's walk away, get to your car, drive off,
very hard for them to track you. Saltlake said, He's
not New York. It's not blanketed in cameras, not like
New York. There's not a massive police presence for this rally,
and there certainly wasn't a massive police presence doing concentric
circles around the rally. This was not like a fucking
the President's in town and the Secret Service is walking

(09:19):
everything down for two.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Miles and Charlie's own security tends to stay close to
him at the event. They're not set up with giant perimeters.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
No, because none of them expected something like this.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, I'm sure that Charlie Kirk has received threats before,
but yes, I mean, there's only so much a private
individual can do right in these situations.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
He often wears a bulletproof vest.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Yes, really yeah, Yeah, There's only so much a private
individual can do, And there's only so much you can
do if you're holding an event outside. Yeah, like to
stop somebody who's got us a scoped rifle from getting
on top of a roof, right Like. I'm sure his
family is firing their current secuity right now, obviously, But

(10:02):
I really don't know what they could have done, like
what his personal security could realistically have done, other than say,
don't do an event outside, Charlie.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
A few other notes that we should touch on on
Thursday morning, some unverified information related to the ongoing investigation
notes leaked online through fellow campus debater Stephen Crowder. Stephen
Crowder shared an internal memo which contained unverified information, which reads,

(10:34):
in part quote atf another law enforcement located an older
model imported Mouser thirty odd six caliber bolt action rifle
wrapped in a towel in a wooded area near the campus.
The location of the fire room appears to match the
suspect's route of travel. The spent cartridge was still chambered,
in addition to three unspent rounds in the top fed

(10:55):
magazine all cartridges have engraved wording on them expressing transgender
and anti fascist ideology unquote. So this claim linking the
shooting to transgender and quote unquote anti fascist ideology, whatever
that means, spread around the internet like wild, as expected,
though a few hours later, the New York Times reported

(11:18):
quote according to a preliminary internal report circulated inside the
Bureau of Alcohol tobacko Firearms and Exposives, federal and local
officials recovered ammunition with the shooter's rifle that appeared to
be engraved with statements expressing transgender and anti fascist ideology.
But a senior law enforcement official with direct knowledge of
the investigation cautioned that report had not been verified by

(11:39):
ATF analysts, did not match other summaries of the evidence,
and might turn out to have been misread or misinterpreted.
In fast moving investigations, such status reports are not made
public because they often contain a mixture of accurate and
inaccurate information unquote.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yes and again. When that person with the pellet ride
was arrested, Cash Betel, director of the FBI, posted on Twitter,
we have the man who killed Charlie Kirk, and then
had to post like an hour later, Nope, which is
not a thing you saw with previous directors of the FBI.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, for a good reason. Yeah, like that. The handling
of this has been pretty unorpthodox.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
No, And I can see why a fucking Stephen Crowder
fan in the ATF would want to get that out
immediately totally, especially because he probably knew at some point
that's going to get corrected. But what matters is it
gets out for some degree of time.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, and then that bakes into the reality of a
certain number of people forever.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Right, And that's what matters, whether or not it's true.
And we don't know yet is it true or not? Right,
We simply don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Heysus Garrison. This is just a short update. On Thursday evening,
law enforcement gave a press conference where Utah Governor Spencer
Cox cautioned against quote unquote a tremendous amount of disinformation
circulate online about the killing of Charlie Kirk and specifically
cited bots from China and Russia which were encouraging violence

(13:08):
and instilling disinformation into discourse around the shooting. Now, while
there certainly have been many on the left who have
been joking or even celebrating this, shooting.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Oh yeah, lots of people.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Rhetoric from the right has been similarly violent, with calls
to do mass violence or purge the Democrats or people
on the left. I'm going to play video of the
White House released late Wednesday night of Trump giving a
statement on the shooting.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
It's a long past time for all Americans and the
media to confront the fact that violence and murder are
the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree,
day after day, year after year, in the most hateful
and despicable way possible. For years, those on the radical

(13:58):
left have compared one for Americans like Charlie to Nazis
and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals. This kind
of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're
seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now.

(14:18):
My administration will find each and every one of those
who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence,
including the organizations that funded and support it, as well
as those who go after our judges, law enforcement officials,
and everyone else who brings order to our country. From

(14:39):
the attack on my life in Butler, Pennsylvania last year,
which killed a husband, and father, to the attacks on
ICE agents, to the vicious murder of a healthcare executive
in the streets of New York, to the shooting of
House Majority leaders Steve Scalise and three others. Radical of
political violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken

(15:02):
too many lives.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
The Trump assassin was not left wing.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
No, now, he was a registered Republican.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
There's currently no indication of the political alignment of this
shooter whatsoever. Just because they killed Charlie Kirk does not
mean that this was a left wing ANTIFA super soldier.
Charlie Kirk has had a memafied status on the Internet
for the past few years, which has encouraged vitriol and
threats from those on the extreme right as well as
the far left.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah, he's particularly disliked by like the hardcore anti Semites
on their right, and.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
The Gropers have long had fun with making threats against
Charlie Kirk in the quote unquote groper war, which we
don't have time to get into. But it's not just
Trump's worrying statement there promising a degree of crackdown. Jesse
Waters on Fox has claimed, quote, We're gonna avenge Charlie's death. Yep,

(15:56):
here's a clip of Jesse Waters on Fox News last night.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
Trump gets hit in the ear, Charlie gets shot dead.
They came after Kavanaugh with a rifle to his neighborhood.
They went after Musk's cars. They just shot two Jews
outside the embassy.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Think about it.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
Schlice got shot, barely survived.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
It's happening.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
We've got transshooters, we got riots and la They are
at war with us. Whether we want to accept it
or not, they are at war with us.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
What are we going to do about it?

Speaker 5 (16:30):
How much political violence are we going to tolerate? And
that's the question we're just going to have to ask
ourselves now. Charlie would want us to put as much
pressure on these people as possible. Dana nailed it. This
is unacceptable and has to stop, and it has to
stop now.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
And everybody's accountable.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
And we're watching what they're saying on television and who's
saying what the politicians and the media and all these
rats out there. This can never happen again. It ends now.
Greg's right again, this is a turning point, and we
know which direction we're going.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
He made a turning point Joe huh.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yes, that's Jesse Waters doing a turning point time.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Well, so the use of rats to refer to other
people's I know he's giving like radio mil Collan vibes.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
It's also worth noting Republican Representative Clay Higgins from Louisiana
is saying that he's seeking to have social media companies
place lifetime bans on users who celebrated the assassination.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
It's not just Jesse Waters calling for war. Other commentators
are employing very similar rhetoric, including Alex Jones and Steve Bannon.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
We're in a war.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
The Latins was saying, put a bullsa on trumpet bulls
on his supporters.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Charlie Kirk's a casualty of war.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
We're in this country.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Chaia Wricheck tweeted on the lips of TikTok account quote
this is war. The oas Keep founder Stuart Rhodes announced
on Info Wars that his militia would be reforming to
help with security at right wing events.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Mat oh gosh.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
It was a good Wired article Wednesday night, which collected
various calls to violence among the right in the aftermath
of the shooting. Quote Ed Martin US pardon attorney and
former acting with Stornay for DC wrote on Twitter, quote
for it is written, vengeance is mine. I will repay,
says the Lord. Citing Romans. Twelve nineteen, Elon Musk posted
the left is the party of murder, then quoted a

(18:30):
post blaming the left wing and mainstream media, as well
as figures like Gavin Newsom for radicalizing people against right
wing figures like Kirk Kitty Miller, who works with Musquet
Doge and is the wife of Stephen Miller, wrote on
x that even liberals condemning violence quote have blood on
their hands. You could be. Next. Influencer and unofficial Trump
advisor Laura Lumer posted on Twitter, the left are terrorists.

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Christopher Ruffo, a conservative activist who popularized the demonization of
critical race theory, suggested in a Twitter post that the
radical left responsible for the shooting and urged the US
government to quote infiltrate, disrupt, arrest, and incars rate all
those who are responsible for this chaos unquote. There's many,
many more. This is after the right has long celebrated

(19:15):
certain types of political violence.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Oh yes, constantly.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, like that old guy in Panama who shot a
protester blocking the street. The entire right rallied behind that man.
Kirk himself has embraced Kyle Rittenhouse, who shot and killed
two people after a plastic bag was thrown in the
direction of Kyle Rittenhouse. Kirk was vocally supportive of the

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man who tried to attack Nancy Pelosi in her home
and did attack pol Pelosi.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yes, specifically specifically urged his audience to bail him out.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
It was like not even two months ago that Minnesota
state senator and her husband were killed. Political violence exists
across the spectrum. This is not a left wing problem.
This is an American problem.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
I mean the vast majority of political of like terrorist
attacks that are politically motivated in the US are right
wing like and have been for the last several decades.
Per the FBI, in.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
The twenty twelve to twenty twenty one, fifty five percent
of murders tied to political extremism came from white supremacy
fourteen percent, anti government six percent to other right wing
twenty percent, Islamist four percent left wing, and the white
supremacy fifty five percent are far right Nazis.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
In terms of like, who did this? Yeah, I think
we touched on Grouper's a little bit. We should probably
talk a bit more about the kind of online feud
between a chunk of Nick fuintes Is fan base and
Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
It was certainly more prominent a few years ago. As
Kirk has himself has moved further to right, has adopted
great replacement theory, the feud kind of dissipated, but it
certainly was like a legitimate thing in the right for years.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yes, to the extent that that a number of folks
are kind of have suspected that like maybe that's who
did it again, we really have no idea. I'm just
bringing this up to make the point that there's a
variety of reasons why this guy could have done this,
why this person could have done this, including could be
an Epstein related thing. Right, there's a lot of anger
at figures who kind of bought into the Trump line

(21:18):
that we're done now with the Epstein stuff. There's no
way to know, and I think that's kind of where
we have to end that part of our discussion here
is we don't know why this was done, and to extent,
it doesn't matter if it comes out tomorrow that this
guy was like a White House staffer working for Donald
Trump who did it because he thought Charlie Kirk could

(21:39):
disre Like if some crazy shit like that happened, it
wouldn't change at all the way that they're talking about
this shooting, like it just doesn't matter, Like we are
where we are with them, and they're saying a lot
of the same stuff like that. This is an escalation
in rhetoric, but it's not a massive escalation in rhetoric
over the way they've been talking about fucking the people changing, like.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
The cracker barrel logo logo, we have to go to war.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
We have to go to war, We're at war.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
I was thinking about that when you said that, like
the lips of TikTok had tweeted that we were at war,
Like you could probably go back and see dozens of
other instances almost exactly the same statement.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Right, And is this something that could lead to mass
Could this be because I've seen people comparing this guy
like Charlie Kirk to Horst Wessel, who was a Nazi
literally a PEMP that was a member of the Nazi
brown Shirts who was murdered, and it became a huge
rallying cry for the Nazi Party, right, they made a
song about him. It was a big deal. I think
that's kind of a very silly comparison. For one thing,

(22:37):
Horse Wessel is meaningful because he was killed before the
Nazis came to power, and they used his death in
order to get to power, and Trump is in power.
If you're not aware, they.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Don't need to invent excuses either to like crack down
on the left or no, or carry out their policies.
They're already doing that. I've seen people go into complete
panic modecause they're gonna be like, they're gonna use this,
this this shooting to to now do terrible things, as
if they're not already doing terrible things, Like they don't

(23:09):
need to wait for events to happen. They are more
than willing just to do whatever they want when they
want to.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yes, that is that is exactly like the the That's
exactly what I would tell you. And in terms of
like comparisons, I don't even think it's super useful to
try to compare this to specific figures from fucking German history,
because there's.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Really that's America in twenty twenty five. Yeah, there's a
viral TikTok of a man talking about the Book of Mormon,
like like seconds after the shooting.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Standing next to where Kirk died, and we now know
that he stole a bunch of shit from the booth
that was covered in blood to sell it online. Like
this is this is all of the books the American Germany.
You won't find anything like that in it.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Yeah, like I better historical comparison we will see, right,
might be Jose Carvo Sotelo Leku, whose death did immediately
sort of was one of the things that accelerated the
start of the Spanish Civil War, I guess, yeah, But
even then, like no one was tiktoking and grabbing much
that was stained by his blood.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
No, And there's no you can like say, like, oh, well,
this figure's assassination preceded this kind of violence, but like, okay,
was that figure a guy who did what Charlie Kirk
did and was connected in the way Like no, Like
this is an American thing, this is new ya, this
is a novel, his moment in history, and we don't
know what's going to happen. I'm not saying, don't you

(24:36):
know if you were if you're the kind of person
who has been worried about right wing violence accelerating. You
shouldn't be less worried right now, and I think that's
a good thing to be worried about. There's been a
spree of bomb threats called into like historically black colleges
today and BNC headquarters last I checked. I don't think
anything actually has been done, but it makes sense. It's

(24:59):
an angry from the right. You know, you've got some
people who woke up piste off this morning and decided
to call in some bomb threats. Apparently we'll see you
know who the culprits were there. But I didn't want
to touch on something else that I've seen in the
wake of all this that is pretty novel. But we
should do an AD break first, all right, coming back,

(25:29):
I wanted to talk briefly about the way AI is
being used by civilian investigators to try and crack this caper.
People have been using AI to enhance the images that
the FBI released of the maybe shooter. Again, we don't
even know that that guy's a shooter because they fucked
up very badly on this initially, but people have been

(25:53):
using to like clarify and we know that the AI
is doing a bad job because again he's wearing a
distinctive shirt. People found the shirt online and when the
AI was like solidifying the image on the shirt, it
did it wrong, Like it put like a silhouette of
a man on there that wasn't on there, like it like.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
You can also submit the same image to like five
different AI imaging programs and get five wildly different results
for what the face quote unquote looks like.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
And I just brought that up because I haven't seen
that happen before with one of these things. And it
was like, oh, okay, cool, that's a fun new.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
This is going to be something we'd have to deal
with now for every single right preceding event in absolutely, yes,
whatever this hellscape of the American Century of humiliation looks like.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yes. The other thing I wanted to bring up is
within about like two to three hours after Kirk was killed,
and after again it had been announced that he was dead,
people were asking Grock is this video? Because the video
was spreading wildly of him dying on everywhere. Really, but
people asked on Twitter, they asked groc elon Musk's AI,
is this real? And the response that was posted initially

(26:58):
was Charlie Kirk takes the roast in stride with a laugh.
He's faced tougher crowds. Yes, he survives this one easily.
And then someone responded, Groc, he got shot through the neck.
What are you talking about? And Grok responded, it's a
meme video with edited effects to look like a dramatic shot,
not a real event. Charlie Kirk is fine, he handles
roasts like a pro. So again, I bring this up

(27:19):
just because this is going to only become more of
a factor in the immediate wake of shootings and terrorist
attacks and disasters. Is people going to AI's for information
about the validity of videos, about the validity of threats.
And what scares me is not this didn't do any damage, right, Like,
this doesn't didn't hurt the man hunt for the killer.

(27:41):
It didn't like do anything. It's just ridiculous. But let's
say you've got videos of a disaster ongoing, I mean,
like a fucking natural disaster coming or whatever, and people
are being told to leave their homes and somebody asks,
fucking Groc, hey do I need to hear I'll plug
this video and it'll tell me if the storm's going
to hit my house or if I can stay here,

(28:03):
people are gonna do shit like that, like that's gonna happen. Yeah,
you're right anyway, just his heads up.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Ah, that's bleak. Yeah, that's pretty terrible.

Speaker 6 (28:14):
All right.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Well that's I think all we got to say on this.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, we'll keep updating you is we learn more. I'm
sure this will developing over the weekend.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, this is going to keep being a major story. Well,
I'm sure we'll do a dedicated episode on it next week.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Something else that happened on Wednesday, the same day as
the Charlie Kirk assassination, was a school shooting in Colorado.
Two students were shot before the shooter killed himself. Police
have said, quote, we are looking at him mode if
we don't have one yet. He was radicalized by some
extremist network and the details of that will be down

(28:49):
the road, And we wanted to give you that much
about maybe a mindset for him. Unquote.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess it's just a marking
of what kind of shootings Americans are adneured to, and
not school shootings that's business as.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Usual, especially if it's just a regular white male teenager.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Yeah, yeah, We'll be kind of following that one as
well to see what it's online radicalization was that they Yeah,
they've already found so early. But yeah, it's pretty tragic
that two school shootings happened in a day.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
It was reported in multiple outlets last week that the
Department of Justice was considering restricting gun ownership rights for
transgender Americans in the wake of the Minneapolist Catholic school
shooting last month. This was first reported by the Diggity Wire,
who quoted the source inside the Justice Department saying quote,
Individuals within the DOJ are reviewing ways to ensure that

(29:45):
mentally ill individuals suffering from gender dysphoria are unable to
obtain firearms while they are unstable and unwell unquote. CNN
said that their sources described the proposal for a transgun
ban as quote prelimin in nature, and since then, the
DOJ and the Trump administration have not made any clear
statements confirming or denying this reporting. A DOJ spokesperson acknowledg

(30:09):
THEES reports with the statement, reading, quote, the DOJ is
actively evaluating options to prevent the pattern of violence we
have seen from individuals with specific mental health challenges and
substance abuse disorders. No specific criminal justice proposals have been
advanced at this time. Unquote. Trump declined to answer a
question about a possible transgun ban last Friday. This is
something right wing influencers have been advocating for years now.

Speaker 6 (30:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
On September fifth, the NRA made a statement reading, the
Second Amendment isn't up for debate. The NRA supports the
Second Amendment rights for all law abiding Americans to purchase, possess,
and use firearms. The energy does not and will not
support any policy proposals that implement sweeping gun bands that
arbitrarily strict law abiding citizens of their Second Amendment rights

(30:55):
without due process.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yep, which is consistent with the NRA messaging four years
because the.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Lion is the recent messaging. Definitely.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Well, I mean the line has been for as long
as I have been a gun owner, which is twenty
years now from the NRA that after the.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Civil Rights movement.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, yeah, registration and like laws forcing people to register
their guns, and like gun control laws in general are
that restrict at all access to firearms are a prelude
inevitably to mass confiscation. Right, Like that has been the
that has been the line for a long time.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
This does not surprise me.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah, no, the stance doesn't. The fact that they said
something publicly during this does because the NRA has been
quiet a lot when there's an issue, like, for example,
that the shooting the Filando Castile right, who was legally
carrying a concealed firearm when the police murdered him in
his car. They kept pretty fucking quiet about that. So
I am a little surprised that they said something. But

(31:53):
what they're saying is is very consistent with other shit
they've been saying.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, there's no current legal mechanism that exists for them
to do this. They would have to invent or heavily
alter the current way that gun rights can be taken away,
which is right now through individual court cases where a
judge finds an individual person quote unquote mentally deficient. And
it's highly unlikely that the gun lobby will support any

(32:17):
policy proposals that start adding certain diagnoses to a list
that excludes you from gun ownership, because sure, if you
add gender dysphoria, now that might not be a huge
problem to many on the right. But let's say a
Democrat administration and Democrat House and Senate come into power.

(32:38):
Now there was this precedent that you can add diagnoses
to take away gun rights, which would enable adding things
like depression or PTSD, which a lot of veterans have.
And this is like the slippery slope that the NRA
warns about, So it makes sense that they would be
taking this stance. Similarly, I don't necessarily see a very

(32:58):
clear path for them to like rest strict HRT through
this mechanism. SIS people, including a lot of men who
own guns, take testosterone and CIS women take estrogen, so
that would be a very tricky way to handle this.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
I think the only way they could again would be
if they try to restrict en mass like the prescription
of hormones specifically to people with gender dysphoria or trans people,
which is difficult for a lot of reasons, but would
provide it like a pretext for Okay, these people are
now taking stuff an illegal substance, and you can go

(33:34):
after people with guns for that. But I feel like
I don't know how you would judicate that how you
like force Like the federal government does not theoretically have
the ability to force the medical community to say nobody
who's got gender dysfoia gets hormones.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Ever again, Yeah, I mean, you could maybe do something
through the FDA, but I don't see how you could
do it just to trans people and.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
How right, like, how would you keep it legal for
all of Joe Rogan's friends, and that's just like through
the FDA, right, I don't I literally just don't know.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yeah, I'm not super familiar with that.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
But this is obviously something that we will keep an
eye on. This is this is like a possibility that
we've discussed the right wanting to enact for years now,
and the fact that the DOJ might even have some
people in there who are doing preliminary considerations. It obviously
is a worrying sign of the general position on trans

(34:29):
rights and transgun rights.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Yeah, for our immigration update this week, I want to
start by talking about the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court
confirmed in its case that CBP and more permanently ICE
can continue their policy of racial profiling. This overturned a
lower court judges ordered that prohibits them from stopping someone
in Los Angeles based on ethnicity alone. It didn't just

(34:51):
look at ethnicity. It said that it prohibits them from
using either one or a combination of four factors, which
were apparent race, the accent or they use for non
English language, their job, Their jobs that tend to have
a higher proportion of undocumented people. Right, they get construction
and some agricultural jobs. And their presence at a certain
place again right, places like a home depot or a

(35:14):
farm garrison. Smiling at how I correctly pronounce the word depot. There,
CBP has always been able to profile you at the border. Right,
that's kind of what they do. There was a nineteen
seventy five Supreme Court decision that one's called USA versus Brignion.
I think it's BRIDNIONI like Italian Brigni ponce. That decision
looked a roving traffic stop uppearing lives in San Clemente,

(35:39):
And in that case, the CBP had stopped someone not
a checkpoint, but while sitting by the side of the
highway in their vehicle, and they had done so solely
based on the apparent ethnicity of the driver. That was
ruled unconstitutional, and the standard that offices needed to have
was quite reasonable. Suspicion that pertains to roving stops, which

(36:02):
is kind of what ICE is doing in la right.
CBP officers have also previously been sued, more recently for
using a language as to sol basis for detention, like
if you're speaking Spanish, yeah, exactly, that was the case, right,
it's pudo and Hernandez versus US Customs and Border Protection.
That one was in Montana. The ACLU of Montana sued
them to Spanish speaking ladies were speaking Spanish in a store.

(36:24):
They actually said hello to a border drill agent in
the English who proceeded to detain them on the basis
that not many people speak Spanish in Montana. I think
the name is from Spanish, like Montagna, but maybe I'm wrong.
The State Department has also issued guidance that non immigrant
visa applicants can now only schedule interviews in their own country.

(36:46):
So this is a further burden for people seeking visas
to come to the United States. Right previously, you could
do it at another US embassy or consulate. For instance.
You know, if you were let's say French but resident
in Spain, you could apply at the consulate or embassy there.
Right now you have to go to your country's embassy.

(37:09):
In some cases, there are designated embassies or consular places
for for national states where the US has no embassy
or similar presence, like a US hasn't got an embassy
in Afghanistan right now for pretty obvious reasons, right, So
I believe it's such Lama bad for those people, for example. Finally,
I want to get onto the case of the dozens
of watermelon children who came to the US and accompanied

(37:31):
by adults they are related to, and who the Trump
admin attempted to deport over the Labor Day weekend. Sometimes
I don't like the phrase unaccompanied miners because maybe they
are accompanied by someone who's just not in their family,
right that people have taken care of them on the journey,
almost certainly, and I've seen this myself, and so I
don't know the idea that then they're not just walking alone,
but they are not with their relatives, right if undertaking

(37:54):
this journey themselves. So Judge Sparkle supn Nan temporarily halted
their removal in the early hours of Sunday morning of
Labor Day weekend. This is an extremely unusual decision, right,
but the judge decided it was warranted because not doing
so would put the children in potential extreme danger. The

(38:14):
government categorically attempted to remove these children, like very quickly
and literally got them out of bed, right. We got
these little children out of beds in their foster homes
and attempted to shove them on a plane to Guatemala.
Their attorney literally ran onto the tarmac at the airport
to tell flight control personnel that they were likely in
violation of a court order. They allowed the plane to

(38:36):
take off like it couldn't be more last minute than this, right,
they were literally working all night. Judge Tim Kelly now
has to rule on the legitimacy of the government's claims.
The claim the government makes here is that it was
quote reuniting children with parents abroad, not deporting them, and
that would mean the children don't have the statutory protections

(38:58):
that they do if it were being as quote unquote
unaccompanied miners. Right. Previously, the government had made the claim
that the children's parents wanted them to be returned. It's
dropped that claim after Reuter's published a watermelon government document
which completely refutes that none of the children's parents seem
to want them to come home. So what the government

(39:18):
is claiming here is that the Office of Refugee Resettlement,
which is under HHS is moving the children, not the
Department of Homeland Security. So they're not being deported, they're
being reunified with their families. Yeah, that's a pretty sketchy claim. Meanwhile,
the kids are in shelters. Many of them were in

(39:40):
long term foster care and have been now removed from
that environment and they're in shelters. Law Fare, which is
an online publication, has a pretty good account of the
courtroom exchange that I've linked in the notes. I also
several people have asked about this, so I should talk
about it. I wanted to talk about the Hyundai plant
in Georgia. I don't know what to call this raid. Yeah,

(40:02):
in Georgia. I guess raid is the right word. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah,
Like more than three hundred South Korean workers were attained
at the plant. They should be going home today. They
were supposed to go home yesterday, but there were some delays.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
So far.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
IS has claimed that these people were working without proper
authorization and slash or but not in the US with
proper authorization, their lawyers have claimed, and The Guardian has
foundly documents that confirm that many of them had B
one visa status. B one is like you can do
some work on a B one. It also can be

(40:37):
just some extended term tourist visa and you can do
certain jobs but not other jobs, and you still get
paid at home where you were on a B one,
which seems to be what these people were doing. Right.
They can supervise construction on a B one, but you
can't do construction, and it would make sense for people
who are very expert in the construction of these highly
technical buildings to supervise their construction.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
It seems that they were in the country to supervise
the setting up of this car plant.

Speaker 6 (41:05):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Yeah, most South Koreans can also get est visa waivers,
which like it's not exactly the same, but it's kind
of a ninety day be one visa. So there are
some people who cannot, right, like if they have been
cremated of crimes in such that they'd have to go
through to be one process. But it seems very unlikely
at least that that they were not in the country
without any documentation, because like that would be a stranging

(41:29):
to do when they can get a est visa waiver.
What's really weird about this is the state of Georgia
has invested millions, if not billions in bringing this plant
to Georgia. Right, it has created a significant economic boost.
Something like ninety percent of the products that go into
the car come from there. So there are lots of
small businesses and local businesses that have started up to

(41:52):
provide this factory with the goods it needs. You know,
there are all the other services that come with that, right,
Like it's economic benefit to the region. I know the
state has spent more than three hundred million on improving
the roads. Apparently they've deepened ports in some regions to
allow larger, larger ships to arrive. It's bought in over

(42:14):
twelve billion investment, more than eight thousand jobs, It's received
massive tax breaks. It's going to total over two billion
dollars according to reporting the arling to in the notes. Yet,
Georgia State Police blocked off roads as part of the raid,
and it was Georgia Department of Corrections buses that took

(42:36):
people away. This seems an odd choice for Kemp. Brian
Kemp right, Georgia governor. He's not Trump's favorite. Maybe he's
trying to become Trump's favorite. But previously even Republicans in
Georgia have been very behind this, I mean, Garrison, you
lived in Georgia for a bit, right, This was a
thing that the Republicans has support. Is a way to

(42:56):
revitalize a place where there wasn't much economic opportunity before.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Well, and this follows the whole point of Trump's tariffs.
If you're trying to bring, yeah, manufacturing to the United States,
you have these specialized workers to help supervise the construction
and managing of equipment. They get this plant up and running.
And even if you're even if you're doing that, even
if you're bringing manufacturing back to the States, somehow you
still get bitten. Yeah, big time bitten by the Trump horse.

(43:24):
I guess yeah, I mean it does.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
It does sort of line up with this working closer
to the Feurer hypothesis, right that you have these counter
valent impulses and everyone's just trying to do things that
they think Trump will like, and kind of sometimes those
can directly contradict each other, as is happening here. There's
not really a coherent policy platform.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
No, they're they're just so focused on trying to get
like the base numbers up, like going to get the
number of deportations higher than it's ever been.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Yeah, and therefore, and you have this this sort of
series of impulses which motivate Trump is and one of
which is deport as many people as possible.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
Another is broadly written, bring manufacturing jobs back to America,
but not if foreign people are helping supervise the construction.
I guess understandably, South Careera is very upset. More so
I think because these are like middle class professionals who
have been detained. Right, they appear to have negotiated a
voluntary departure for these people, which it's not like a

(44:19):
voluntary departure like you came on told they disneylanded, you're
going home on the plane. It can still have long
term consequences. But the hope there is that it won't
make it harder for these people to get US visas
in the future. They have to come back, because obviously
it's going to be very hard for this company to
build a plant in Georgia if they can't bring any
of their staff to Georgia. Yeah, that is about all

(44:41):
I have. I'm going to keep looking, especially this Georgia story,
see if it develops any further, and if it's worthy
of a whole episode, we'll do a whole episode on that.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Speaking of Georgia, the long delayed copp City reco case
has finally made some progress in the court. I have
been working on the final scripted piece of my Coppa
City coverage for basically this whole summer. I've been slowly
chipping away at it. Part of the reason why I

(45:11):
have not finished that yet is because essentially the whole
court case, like the sixty one defendant reco case, got
reset in May. They changed judges, and that has delayed
an already long delayed case even further. So I was
waiting to see a little bit of the results of
the court case, or at least get a better indication
where the court case is going to go before I

(45:32):
finish that final piece. And we're going to get that
final piece out probably in the next six month or
two here, but I will give this small update because
it's pretty substantial. This past Tuesday, September ninth, the defense
successfully argued that the State Attorney General's office did not
have the jurisdictional authority to prosecute the sixty one defendants

(45:54):
under the state's reco statute. This was due to simple
procedural error in neglecting to first ask Governor Brian Kemp
if the AG's office could prosecute the case. Judge Farmer
found that the AG does not have the authority to
prosecute Count one of the Rico indictment, which is the
racketeering and conspiracy charges affecting sixty one people. So without

(46:15):
the sweeping Rico charges in golfing the sixty one defendants,
just five defendants would be left with Count two of
the indictment, the domestic terrorism charges, which the AG does
have the authority to prosecute, and Count three, which is
the arson charge, which Judge Farmer indicated could be thrown
out on a similar technicality as the racketeering and conspiracy charges.

(46:39):
This is still heavily in flux. The prosecution is going
to appeal this decision, and it's unclear how this ruling
will affect how the rest of the cop City case
will unfold, as removal of the Rico charges kind of
undermines the rest of the indictment. On Wednesday, they were
arguing about the constitutionality of George's domestic terrorisms, which has

(47:00):
never been tested in courtse before, so a lot of
this case is currently up in the air. But this
is a positive sign for the defendants at this point.
One brief RFK Junior update. I guess r f K
Junior is soon to be released. Autism report from HHS
is reportedly going to include the claim that use of

(47:23):
tailanol during pregnancy could cause autism in children. Jesus, this
is not believed to be true by reputable medical authorities.
But the report is set to release sometime in September.
It was announced like months ago when r f K
Junior said that by September we will finally know the

(47:44):
cause of autism quote unquote, And it seems the report
is still churning away but set to be released this month,
and it will include a few other claims, which we
will report on in more detail once the report is
actually out. But the Wall Street Journal got this little
heads up about the hilan all inclusion in the report.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Fantastic. So I heard from somebody who is waiting on
their work permit, a Kurdish woman who came to the
United States to claim asylum from Turkey from Northern Kurdistan.
And because she doesn't have a work permit yet and
she's gonna be waiting for her work permit sometime, she's
asking for help to cover her basic sort of day

(48:23):
to day expenses. And this is a thing that people
often find themselves in a situation. Right, they have come here,
done all the documentation, but it can take a long
time to get their work permit, and without friends or family,
it can be very hard for them. The website is
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Speaker 1 (49:05):
All right, and here's some ads. We're back and uh,
I guess it's time to drop some bars about Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Somehow Epstein has returned.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah, that's that joke. It always gets old. So one
of the big pieces of news this week before the
thing that we started the episode with, I mean, this
was the story before that happened, is that as a
result of the ongoing investigation into Epstein and whether or
not you know how involved was Trump? How involved were Democrats?

(49:47):
What do we care that the book, the first fifty
years birthday book, that that drawing that Trump is accused
of having done where he signed his name as the
p Big Care of a very obviously young girl with
a poem that seemed to hint at child molestation. That

(50:08):
the whole book that Epstein had has has been released
to Congress and is now public. Right, Yeah, I did.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Democrats on the House Oversight Committee subpoena the Epstein birthday
Book from Jeffrey Epstein's estate once the estate made a
statement saying that they have the book and wouldn't cooperate
with a subpoena.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
And there's a bunch of news articles summarizing it. If
you want to read the thing for yourself, just google
document cloud Jeffrey Epstein fiftieth Birthday Book, and the whole
thing isn't there?

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Yah?

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Right?

Speaker 3 (50:37):
I would say, like just that kind of slight devotion.
I guess between this and Charlie kirk shooting, maybe you
don't need to give yourself a break.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
You don't saying you should. I just wanted to let
people know where they can get to the original source
if they don't want to have it mediated by.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
A media, right, It's always good to do that.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
We're going to mediate it for you now. Yeah. So
it opens, as far as I can tell, the first well,
I mean, there's there's a list of contents. The prologue
is written by Gailand Maxwell. Then there's letters from the family,
Paula Seymour and Marco I guess you're relatives. Then it's
split into Brooklyn. So there's friends of his from Brooklyn
who are Warren Eisenstein, neutral, I don't know who that is,

(51:19):
Terry Kofka. Very funny that there's a Kafka involved, doctor
Stephen Levy, and Michael Buekols. The next section is all girlfriends.
They're letters from girlfriends. All of those names have been
blacked out for reasons that should be obvious. The section
after that is children. God almighty, I don't know whose
kids because this is blacked out too, but oh boy. Yeah,

(51:40):
and then we get to the section that is friends.
That is all the letters from friends, and the friends
are Leon Black is on there, Bill Clinton is on there,
Alan Dershowitz is on there. The dersh himself.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Is the letter is really unsettling.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Yeah, Donald Trump is in there. We'll get to that
in a second. Donald Trump is in there, obviously these
are not. Morton Zuckerman is on there, Leslie Wexner is
on there. So a number of like very prominent people.
Unknown is at the very end. I don't know like that.
That's like literally how the book listed it. So they
just have a letter from someone who's presumably his friend
but didn't put a name.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
I mean, it's a smart move if you're doing things
you have federal crimes.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
And then after that you've got the letters from scientists
friends of his, which include people we brought up on
my episode about a bioscience company who pretends that they're
cloning dire wolves and Martin Noak are both on here,
so that's great, Oh good. And then after that I
just noted girlfriends is like the third group of people
who had letters, and all those names were blacked out.

(52:43):
But then under science there's another section that's girl dash
friends that's longer, and all of those names are blacked out.
No fucking idea what that is supposed to meet? Yeah,
but upsetting, it's no good whatever it is. Yeah, Anyway,
there's some more names on there, but they're not super relevant,
Gilan Maxwell's prologue is handwritten, or at least the note

(53:07):
in front of it is handwritten. I know you will
enjoy looking through the book, and I hope you will
derive as much pleasure looking through it as I did
putting it together for you. Happy birthday, Love, Gilan Maxwell.
So that's the prologue. One of the first pictures, I mean,
the first picture in the book is Jeffrey Epstein's standing
around with a bunch of soldiers. They look like, I mean,

(53:32):
I would guess from some African country. They're all in
a camo pattern that's not immediately familiar to me. And yeah,
I can't fully read what it says down here. Some
of the line say something about a president and the
Secret Service to greet you. I don't know who these
soldiers were that Jeffrey's standing around. I kind of want
to know, but it's a weird photo to start. And

(53:53):
then immediately after that is Jeffrey Epstein's cub scout graduation photo.
They've got that in. There's a bunch of like pictures
of Epstein throughout his life, Like that's kind of how
this thing opens before we get down to the letters. Yeah,
one thing I wanted to get at there. So there's
on page fifty seven there's a photo of Jeffrey Epstein
wearing a weird shirt with a bunch of handprints on

(54:14):
it when he was younger. That's just titled girls on
My Boat. We picked up girls on beach, went out
on boat. I tell them with knife in my hand
to take suits off, but Warren tells me, don't worry.
His name is Jahann. He's just joking. He lives at
so and So. I tell Mark to throw him into water.
He did no idea what the fuck that's about. But

(54:35):
like a lot of it's like that is like very
upsetting stories that are handwritten crudely, I think, and often
by Gillan. But yeah, it's it's like pretty deeply upsetting stuff. Okay,
I do kind of want to read this Bill Elks letter.
It just starts with it's no secret that Jeffrey appreciates
beautiful women that not many people know. He can create

(54:55):
them in a thin whay air, as he did in
Iowa in nineteen eighty eight.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Good to give a play time discuss fixings that are illegal.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Yeah, this guy says that he was managing the money
of a family who lived in Fairfield, Iowa. Hog farming
is a serious industry there, and many people feel there
is more than a little truth in the saying that
it's hard to tell the difference between the girls and
the hogs in southeast Iowa. Jeffrey came to Fairfield to
check in on their investigation on their investment opportunities. He
asked about the night life and we could only laugh

(55:25):
as we dropped him off at the local motel. The
next morning or before of us picked up Jeffrey to
give him a tour of the area. At our first stop,
we parked in front of a bookstore. As we were
getting out of the car, a spectacular, tall, blonde woman
suddenly came out of the store, walked directly up to
Jeffrey and announced, I am new to this area. What's
going on? It turns out she was a sales representative
for a firm solling academic brand and athletic clothing. She
was literally driving through Iowa visiting local campuses. Jeffrey invited

(55:47):
her to join us and did his magic. Within a
few hours, he had invited her to return to New
York with him for the weekend. Yeah, a lot of
stuff like that. We should probably read Dershowitz's letter.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Yeah, yeah, we sack, Yeah, you can do that.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Okay, here's Dershowitz's Who was that man with Epstein? Is
the title of the letter. Inquiring minds are asking, who
is that man with Epstein? Jeffrey Epstein is, of course,
one of the world's most famous men, a household name
throughout the planet. His picture has appeared on the cover
of every magazine in the world. Everyone knows his story,
from his humble roots on Coney Island to his rise
to one of the most envied public figures in the

(56:24):
Western world. But what is he doing flying to Africa
with an obscure former politician from Hope, Arkansas? Who is
that politician? And why would Epstein have picked him for
the coveted seat on his private jet. Vanity Unfair was
determined to get to the bottom of this mystery man
and to reveal the story behind the story. Normally, we
would not pry into the private life of an obscure
Arkansas politician, particularly when he has tried so hard up
to now, so successfully to keep his private life to himself.

(56:47):
But the moment this scire man stepped under the Epstein jet,
he became fair game for probing inquiry. Why would a
man like Epstein, who can pick and choose his companions
from princes to professors, select a flying companion from the
Ozark Mountains. To be sure, he was a Rhodes scholar,
but we all know how easy it is to get
a roads if you're from Arkansas. There must be something else.
Vanity Unfair decided to snoop around as obscure politician reluctantly
agreed to be to an interview on the express condition

(57:09):
that it was completely off the record. This is what
he told us, and then it's blank. The letter ends.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
It comes with a note yes, reading dear Jeffrey. As
a birthday gift to you, I managed to obtain an
early version of the Vanity Unfair article. I talked them
into changing the focus from you to Bill Clinton, as
you will see from the enclosed excerpt. Halfy birthday in
best regards.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
And then there's a fake Vanity Unfair article. Yeah or cover? Yeah?
That who is Jack the Repper?

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Was it?

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Jeffrey Epstein? Al Qaeda in South America financed by Epstein.
Jeffrey Epstein stole my heart in another courtroom dispatches it's
like really crudely animated. But yeah, yeah, I mean it's
what do you even say? Oh, there is a quote
on the Vanity Fair cover attributed to Epstein that says
life is a pure flame and we live by an
invisible sun within us. So I guess that's a Jeffrey

(58:01):
Epstein original.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Wow, how profound.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Before we talk about the Trump letter, there's this one
other image I didn't like to discuss. This what I
can only described as a grooming themed drawing Oh God,
yeah to him as part of its birthday card, depicting
Jeffrey Epstein in nineteen eighty three giving balloons in a
lolly pomp to three young children girls like children, children.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
And importantly, his pockets are turned out out and the
pants he's wearing are like patched and old. He's clearly
poor in this. In nineteen eighty three, by the way,
he was working as a tutor and a teacher, like
he was teaching kids at private schools. Like, so that's
what's represented here.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
The other section of the drawing is in two thousand
and three and has Jeffrey Epstein sitting on the beach
with four women touching his body.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
One woman is very clearly touching his genitals and has
Je tattooed on her ass.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Jeffrey Epstein's jet is flying a.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
You know it's his jet because the actual in number
of his real jet is written on the side of
the jet.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
And on the beach he is on a lawn chair
outside of what sort of resembles Trump's mar Lago resort
in terms of the architectural style, the arched doorways, the
tiered structure and lay out of the palm trees, and
the beach. This building does not match his house in Florida,
or his house in the Southwest, or his house on

(59:29):
the island, which appears very different with blue roofing. I'm
not saying this necessarily is mar A Lago, but if
I were to try to draw mar A Lago from memory,
it might look something like this. There's certainly a resemblance
which is notable.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Yeah, we should talk about literally. The next photo from
this is a picture of Jeffrey Epstein holding a check
for twenty two thousand dollars to him from Donald Trump.
There's three people posing next to him. One of them
is a woman whose face is blacked out. There's also
another woman with her face blacked out behind them. But

(01:00:08):
the man who's sitting next to the woman at what
looks like a dinner table does not have his face
blacked out. I don't know why. And it says on
this Jeffrey is showing early talents with money and women
sells fully depreciated. And then the name of the woman
who is being sold is blacked out to Donald Trump
for twenty two five hundred dollars. Showed early people skills too.

(01:00:29):
Even though I handled the deal, I didn't get any
of the money for the girl.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
So pretty sickening joke.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Yeah, yeah, genuinely like nauseating literally, yeah, like him holding
up a check Donald Trump gave him for a girl.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Like a fake novelty check signed by someone's not Trump,
just someone signing Donald Trump, not Donald Trump's signature. But
people joking. It's a bit about Jeffrey selling a woman
to Trump for twenty two five hundred dollars? Was this
a fully depreciated?

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Is that the phrasing us it's a phrase, yes, yes, yeah,
it's fucking disgusting.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
And then we get down to the original Trump letter,
which we've talked about on the show. We've read it
to you. This is the one where Donald says it's
framed as a conversation between them, and Donald says, enigmas
never age. Have you noticed that anyway? The only thing
noteworthy about this is now we have the drawing of
the woman. It's drawn around the script, and it's i

(01:01:25):
would say, pretty clearly a pubescent girl. Like there's breasts
drawn on.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Their breasts do not look fully developed, and they do
not look they're not large like no, and the position
of them is higher. They look like underdeveloped breasts.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Yes, it looks like a drawing of a young girl,
like of a child.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
It's so much more creepy than anyone who like tried
to draw what this might have looked like, has like
previously imagined like they were all drawing you know, like
conventionally attractive like adult female bodies. This is much more creepy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Now, I will say, it doesn't look like his signature
is meant to be pubic care here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
It's in a similar position. But you know, this is
a very abstract drawing. His signature is just his first name, Donald,
which he signs a lot of personal notes with, not
his full Donald Trump's signature. Trump is maintaining that he
did not sign this, that this is a forgery. He
is unaware of this letter, even though the signature matches
other signatures from him around this time. And this just

(01:02:26):
feels like a very Donald Trump thing to do. Yeah,
and is worded similarly to how he talked about women
in this era. He now makes statements being like I
don't talk this way all my everyone who knows me
knows I don't talk this way. And if you watch
like clips from Donald Trump in the early two thousands
talking about women, it is this type of language. Is
it is very gross. Yeah, Like everyone remembers the Howard

(01:02:50):
Stern clip, like come on.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Right, oh yeah, No. It's also worth noting one of
the last things in the book is recipe for like
chuck chip cookies. I tried to figure out who put
the recipe in there, but their name is blacked out.
They're right under Henry Rossofski and right above Les Wexner.
I don't know who put that chocolate chip cookie recipe
in here, but I might try to make those cookies

(01:03:15):
the Epstein biscuit.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
I wouldn't eat this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
A few other things before we close this episode related
to Epstein. On September, fifth House Speaker Mike Johnson told
reporters that Trump was actually a secret to FBI informant
tasked with taking down Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
I hadn't heard it did a great job.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Yeah, well, I'm saying that what Epstein did as a hoax.

Speaker 7 (01:03:41):
It's a terrible, unspeakable evil. He believes in himself when
he first heard the room where kicked them out of Milvago.
He was an FBI informant to try to take this
stuff down. The President knows and has great sympathy for
the women who suffered these unspeakable arms. It's detestable to them.
And I've spoken about this as recently as twenty hours ago.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
This should be documents that could that could corroborate that.
One would I one thing Detember eighth.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Mike Johnson walked back his FBI informant comments, telling reporters
he was referring to what Epstein victims attorneys has said
that Trump was quote willing to help law enforcement to
go after the guy who was a disgusting child abusers
at trafficker, all the allegations. That's what they heard. I
don't know if I use the right terminology, but that's
common knowledge and everybody knows that I was repeating what

(01:04:23):
has been common knowledge for a long time. The President
was helpful in trying to get Epstein for the law
enforcement to go after Epstein. Unquote, great stuff from Mike Johnson.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
A day later, White House Press Secretary Carolyn Levitt confirmed
that Trump was not, in fact an FBI informant. One
other weird Epstein story from this week is how the
DOJ has been beefing with James O'Keefe's Project Veritas.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Project Veritas did a operation against a DOJ employee in
which they recorded him say this, and those files do exist.

Speaker 6 (01:05:02):
Yeah, thousands and thousands of page of five Jill Redact
that every Republican or conservative person in those files leave
on the liberal Democratic people in those files.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
I mean they visited that Maxwell person.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Yeah, and also.

Speaker 8 (01:05:18):
Involved got transferred to a minimum security person series, which
is against bop Posey because she's she's a committed sex mner.
The offering or something to keep about.

Speaker 9 (01:05:30):
Se That was the acting Deputy Chief of the Office
of Enforcement Operations, Joseph Schnitt, telling a stranger about the
FBI and DOJ's handling of the Epstein files.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
The DOJ responded to O'Keefe saying, quote, Joseph Schnid had
no role in the department's internal review of Epstein materials.
He has confirmed as much to leadership, and we plan
on publishing his written statements to that effect when we
have it. In his words, the comments he made were
based on quote what he learned in the media, and
he has quote no knowledge of the circumstances surrounding Miss

(01:06:03):
Maxwell other than what was reported in the news unquote.
And then Schnid used the Department of Justice X account
to post a what it could be described as like
an Apple Notes apology statement with thirty percent battery displayed
on his phone. When he talks about he talks about

(01:06:26):
meeting a quote woman named Skyler on Hinge, a dating
app in July twenty twenty five. Her profile is no
longer findable. We had two dates. She gave no clues
that she was a reporter or recording car dates. Had
I clue, the first date would have ended immediately and
there would have never been a second one. My profile
indicated I did quote unquote government work, but did not

(01:06:48):
specify for which agency. I never discussed what I do
at DOJ. The comments I made were my own personal
comments on what I've learned in the media and not
from anything I've done or learned via work. Incredible the
United States government, everybody. Yeah, and James O'Keeffe out there
with the journalism first trap. I guess I wonder if

(01:07:09):
it's I is it a one party consent?

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
This is in d C, right, I.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Don't believe DC is one party consent.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Yeah, that I would be shocked.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
I'm not sure how o'keef pulls all this stuff off legally.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
He could get in trouble for this one.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Yeah. My understanding would be just to be clear for
people who aren't in on the jargon. Like in most
states of the Union, I think you need both people's
consent to record a conversation. You could argue, I guess
he didn't have a reasonable expectation of privacy sitting out there,
But I think this is very clearly a clandestine recording.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Oh no, no, no, sorry, d DC is a one
party consents area. Dan, Okay, well there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Wow, Okay, I did ye. I did not know that, yep,
So well he's safe. Yeah, I guess if that date
was in DC, you got to look. If the date
was in DCT of jurisdictions around there bumping up. But yeah,
that's surprising. No, he's good.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Well, I think that's all we have for this week,
which is a lot. This was a massive news week.
This is an extra long episode, but sometimes that happens.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Congratulations on making it this far.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Yeah, and may every day be a new wonderful secret.
As you know, Donald Trump told Jeffrey Epstein stop him
to send off. We reported the news. We reported the news.

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