September 26, 2025 • 59 mins
We discuss the shooting of three ICE detainees in Dallas, Trump’s Gold Card and 100k H1B visa fee, soybean tariffs, and reports of the FBI designating trans people “terrorists.”
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/the-gold-card/
https://x.com/ReichlinMelnick/status/1970491119831028000
https://www.npr.org/2025/09/23/nx-s1-5550915/trump-immigration-judges
https://www.npr.org/2025/09/02/g-s1-86691/military-lawyers-immigration-judges-jag
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/designating-antifa-as-a-domestic-terrorist-organization/
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Colzon Media.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
This is it could happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly
newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,
what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today. I'm
joined by Mia Wong Jamestown and Robert Evans.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
This week, we're covering the week of September eighteen to
September twenty four.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Luckily, nothink that remarkable has happened. It's a bit short one.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Another famously slow newsweek in the United States of America
and abroad, only the most stable out of all democratic countries.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, oh yeah, I mean the democracies were easily the
most democratic.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Shining city on a hill. It's saying, that's right, that's right, elevated. Yeah,
So let's talk about this guy who opened fire and
ice detention facility to start off with.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Then, sure, that's the big news story today is that
there's been a shooting at an ice facility in Dallas.
This is not the first shooting at a North Texas
ice facility this year. Two detainees were killed and one injured.
Last I saw, they were in an ice van, it
looks like and the shooter killed themselves pretty quickly. It
seems like, yeah, like fired a few rounds and then
(01:16):
killed themselves.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Yeah. Cash Hotel, who's the director to the FBI, shared
pretty quickly after shooting on x dot com the Everything
website a photo of a strip eclip of what looks
a lot like ein't milimeter Mauser ammunition. One round had
the wood anti ice written on it in blue pen
in block capital letters.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, lazy, we can agree on that, like, especially compared
to etching them onto a bullet. This has been I think,
immediately adopted by God. I mean, it seems like I
haven't done a deep survey, but most of the liberals
and leftists that I follow on both Twitter and Blue Sky,
(02:00):
and on just looking at friends on Facebook, they have
pretty immediately gone after this as a false flag or something.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Liberals and left us casting doubt on the authenticity of this.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I'm seeing both people be like, well, the shooter must
have been a right winger who lazily put anti ice
on the bullet, or this is some sort of federal conspiracy.
But a lot of conspiracism here.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, we simply don't know very much about the shooting
at this point. It's unclear who the shooter was aiming
for if they were just aiming at ice property, right
like unknowingly shooting like migrant detainees inside.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Did they think whoever was an ad van was a cop?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah? Yeah, most of this lines up with the person
being the sort of person who ends up being a
high profile shooter, right, Like, they're not so much an
ideologically motivated person as someone who, like you say, pretty
low effort wrote anti ice on their bullets at the
last minute of not on the bullet, but on the
casing that holds the fucking powder that the bullet goes in. Like,
(03:00):
I understand how that works.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And this just fits. This is something I tried to
talk about pretty regularly. Shootings in the United States are
heavily driven by mimetic spread.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
This has been happening since Columbine. There have been more
than one hundred copycat shootings of Columbine. And you do
have shooters who are let's say original, right like the
christ Church shooter, where they have new ideas for things
to do in mass shootings and then in the wake
of those, because whenever someone does something really new, it
gets a lot of attention, right Like, if there's a
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mass shooting that gets a lot more media coverage than
other ones, there will be people who copy it and
who copy specific aspects of that shooting. And what I'm
seeing with this guy that kind of just fits into
that pattern is you had a really high profile North
Texas shooting at a nice facility. Then you had a
really high profile shooting where somebody with a hunting rifle
(03:56):
shot at targets from the top of a roof, right,
And I'm seeing both of those things in this shooting,
and I guess it's just like, Yeah, that kind of
scans to me, you know.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, I guess another thing that has been fueling this
conspiracy zerm So the guy used a Mauser rifle, different
type of Mauser rifle to the last one. It looks
to me like a con ninety eight. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
The previous one was a very old Mauser that had
been rebarreled the thirty eight to six, which is a
very common American round. This one looks to have been
an original car ninety eight K that was still an
eight millimeter Mauser, which was the gun the Nazi that
was the standard battle rifle of the Wehrmacht during World
War Two. Yeah, it's not weird. He would have access
to that. He probably didn't have to buy it or
passed the background check to get it. Looking at Garrison
(04:44):
found his mother's Facebook. They'll talk some more about that,
but one of the things that was on there is
her talking about how she recently had to clean out
like a barn and a farm that her grandfather and
dad had owned and get rid of a lot of
their stuff. It kind of makes sense to me. One
of them, very likely was a veteran, could have brought
back a car ninety eight k as hundreds of thousands
of gis did, yeah, from the war, and it would
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have just gotten passed down under the family. Right, not weird, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
No way at all. Like you say, there are probably
hundreds of thousands of these in the United States.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
It was very common. And again that's more or less
probably what happened with the Charlie kirkshooter. Why why they
had a mouser right, Yeah, because it was their grandpa's rifle.
Probably had it re rebarreled or whatever. You know.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Yeah, not uncommon at all. Someone in especially somewhere like
Texas where you know those rifles, even if you didn't
bring them back from World War One, like could have
been obtained by private party transfer any time in the
last seventy five years. So he'd been placed on probation
for twenty sixteen marijuana offense, for which he pled guilty
and received deferred adjudication. I guess in Texas it's considered
(05:50):
dealing marijuana, but it just seems to be that he
was in possession of an amount greater than a quarter
ounce but less than five pounds. I'm not that familiar
with Texas law in that regard, but that is a
thing that we found out about him. I'll just add that, like,
I don't know if that effects his ability to obtain
a new firearm by doing a forty four to seventy three.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It's it's unclear, but it wouldn't. It doesn't matter in
Texas because again, you can just meet a guy in
a parking lot and buy a gun exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeah, it's not relevant.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
As I did when I lived in Texas almost every month.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Would be great today of Texas. Yeah, see, it's easy
to get a gun in Texas.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
How did he get the gun? It could have He
could have gotten it by accident. He could have traded
groceries for it like you just don't know, but there's
there's no barriers to him owning this.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, we still don't know very much about this guy
outside of his like public arrest record. I have like
a LinkedIn that hasn't been updated in a few years. Yeah,
he voted in the twenty twenty Democratic primary.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
We know that from Texas voting records.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
His mom's Facebook has a few political sentiments, but not
expressed very commonly. She's posted a few times about Greg
Abbot's pro gun stances.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, she was definitely like anti NRA, anti.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Abbot, anti NRA, upset about Abbot and a senator Korn
and Cruise not taking action for gun control damp.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Yeah, this isn't the sort of gun that would ever
be impacted by now proposed gun control legislation, right, Like,
this is kind of central to the gun that people
generally fail is reasonable to people to own.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yes, assuming that it was something that he inherited from
a grandfather, a great grandfather. Even like gun control bills
that are looking at stopping face to face sales wouldn't
stop this because the dims always tend to include an
exception for like, yeah, inheriting your dad's hunting rifle or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Right, Yeah, on an old Google Plus profile that's cashed deep.
His profile picture is like a Soviet communist carerture. But again,
that is no indication of a recent political alignment. We
still don't have a detailed look at this guy's politics.
But people have been quick to call this a false
(08:12):
flag when I think this appears more like in the
manifestation of this reality brain rottedness that we've talked about
vis a vis the years of lead paint, Like brain
rot inspires like ill thought or logical actions that maybe
appear akin to a half baked false flag. This is
like just a result of this weaponized on reality. Fiction
(08:35):
inspires reality, and then reality is seen through the lens
of fiction. So people project onto the state this like
nineteen fifty CIA staging world events. Thing like everything's become
so like Eddington pilled.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Yeah, I remember there was there was a really big
example of this someone I forget exactly what it was,
like someone like graffitied like Chuck Schumer's garage or something,
and everyone that I knew was convinced it was a
false flag, Like yeah, all over Twitter's Olver Blues. Everyone
thought it was a false flag, and it's just like
all of that has just accelerated alongside this process that
(09:11):
you'reson you're describing, where you have the unreality tunnel of
all this is a false flag, then you have the
other unreality tunnels that are like generating these people, and
they're just sort of like, yeah, flowing parallel to each other.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Nashing into each other. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
No, Like people are so quick just to point the
Black's rule image to discount every single thing that might
confuse you at first glance, Like if you cannot understand
that someone who is suicidal would do a crazy thing
like this, inspired by recent events and scribble something onto
a bullet trying to shoot at ICE equipment or ICE
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agents ICE property, inadvertently killing actual ICE detainees, if you
have no way to understand that as a premise, and
the only way that you can see something like this
is happening is like a beat cop walking up to
the crime scene realizing he has to alter it to
fit an agenda. Like that is a way more disjointed
and like broken reality to force yourself to believe than
(10:05):
just take the facts as they come and evaluate them
slowly without jumping to a very quick assumption that satisfies
your emotional reaction to a tragic event like this where
multiple people have died. With Trump in power again, I
think it's entirely possible that oppositional political violence will take
a form that resembles quote unquote left wing attacks increasingly
(10:28):
through the next few years. It's not twenty eighteen anymore.
Calling this guy a leftist right now doesn't make any sense.
We don't have a clear look at his politics or
if he really even had serious politics.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
But there are a lot of.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Like seemingly normal people who are depressed, demoralized, or angry
and might not write a stupid twitter brained manifesto and
scribbling anti ice gets a point across, whether that's sincere
or some kind of ironic ship post. If anti ice
sounds weird in comparison to fuck ice or abolish Ice, again,
(11:05):
not everyone is part of like the leftist twitter brained
terminology circle. It seems like he wasn't really thinking things
through intently anyway, as is common with these like quick
copycat style attacks and attacks like this are also sometimes
just harshly driven by suicide, wanting to do something as
(11:26):
a part of the suicidal act, and like who knows
what this shooter was aiming for or what they thought
they were aiming for. We do not have enough information yet.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
And it's worth noting NBC has interviewed his brother. Kind
of sounds like from the text of the NBC article
like they broke the news to him, which is.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Oof, that's fucked up, not great.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, but he said the last time he'd seen his
brothers two weeks ago, he was not particularly political. He
had never mentioned anything about Ice. As far as his
brother knew, he had no hatred or particular feelings about
Ice either way. He was registered as political independent. His
brother said that his parents had a rifle and that
he knew that his brother knew how to shoot it,
but that he didn't think he knew how to make
(12:10):
a shot like that. I don't think he knew anything
about the quality of shot. And it doesn't sound like
he did anything but shoot into a van and then
kill himself. So, he was recently unemployed and was looking
to move to his parents' land in Oklahoma, but he
was raised in Alan. The whole unemployed didn't sound like
he felt like he had a lot of maybe opportunity
(12:31):
going forward. His life was not going great, Like I
don't know, like I'm not having trouble seeing this all
add up now.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I mean, the people who do some crazy hit like
this often have a suicidal impulse running through an action
like this, And sometimes his manifests were something akin to
like you know, this is like a bad term, but
like suicide by cop right, and like similar to what
Roberts said about like mimetic and like copycat shootings. You
can see some of what's on display here in the
lineage of Luigi Mangioni allegedly writing denying to pose on bullets,
(13:05):
then the Charlie kirkshooting with stuff for non bullets. Yeah,
but this is something that's not like in our Zeitgei.
So it doesn't require you to be like an online
communist to do something like this, nor is it relegated
to a cop trying to manufacture a fake narrative to
cover up a murder of immigrants to frame it in
this left wing violence spike that the right is currently
(13:29):
really running with.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, look, folks, if you are convinced that this is
a conspiracy, I really doubt much that we say is
going to convince you. Otherwise, it's kind of a I
don't want to go on too bleak of a rantier,
but like, I almost feel like there's not really a
point in trying to stand up for basic reality anymore,
because number one, people are increasingly going to dig into
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the reality tunnel that's most comforting to them, and that's
going to be the one where, like they don't have
to deal with the complexities the world. That like, some
people who on paper have espoused beliefs that are similar
to you will also do fucked up shit, right like that,
that's just America. That's living in a country with four
hundred million guns. That's living in a country where mass
(14:14):
shootings go viral and where people act based off the
virality of shootings that they watch or see or hear about. Yeah,
And honestly, like there's a part of me that feels
like caring about the reality of the situation is almost
a vanity project, that like, it doesn't win you anything. Yeah,
it doesn't get you anywhere, It doesn't help you make
(14:35):
the world better. Maybe just embracing a fall like the
right has gotten very far in embracing completely fraudulent realities.
So why do I even care?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I Mean, this is something I've talked about with like
the flattening of tactics, with the right adopting state sponsored
cancel culture and the left getting more conspiratorial in like
replies to tweet some blue Sky posts talking about how
you know, the bulleting markings have to be a false flag.
I'm seeing people share memes like Pepe like psyop memes,
but like like leftists and like like oh wow, yeah,
(15:05):
liberals sharing sharing these memes that you used to just
see under like unhinged right wing accounts to talk about
how big world events are all stage or the Feds
are faking everything, and it's it's just this complete like
swap more accurately a flattening of tactics, and yeah, like it.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
It.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
It sucks to be in a position where I'm trying
to be like slow and methodical and how I evaluate
things and not just jump to posting funny reaction images
about how everything is a syop and how everything is
a false flag.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Lameo obvious psyop work done.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Because that seems so much more emotionally compelling, and instead
I'm just tired.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, just tired all the time. Anyway, go on and
believe whatever you want. Let's continue the episode. All right,
let's talk about Antifa when we come back.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
It comes from a mind control pond.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Speaking of false flags and Tiffa Antifa.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I hardly no, that doesn't Garrison, just continue.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
I don't have anything to say about that.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
All right, listen, folks, We're going to be doing what
James is going to be doing with our collective lawyer
Moira Meltzer Cohen, an episode on what this actually means legally,
and we will be doing that with a lawyer who
is competent to speak on that more than we are. Yeah,
I guess kind of what we want to do briefly
in this episode is try and pull people back from
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a ledge if you're feeling like you're on one right now,
because it's bad. The current situation is bad. The administration
is absolutely going after people on the left. They absolutely
will be increasingly applying terrorism enhancements to charges for anything
that can be deemed as politically motivated by the left.
But this declaration, as people pointed out, it's not like
a thing the president declaring somethingtic terrorist group like. It's
(17:01):
not like none of this is anything that like has
a legal force bind it, which doesn't mean again that
they're not going to continue to go after people. But
this is stuff that started under the Biden administration, applying
RICO charges and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
This is stuff that goes back to the nineties, right
to the scare Yeah right, yeah. With with environmental organizations,
there is no real domestic terrorism designation. That's why they're
trying to go after like funders and trying to find
ties to like international groups to have that terrorism like
label make more legal sense. But Trump did actually sign
(17:35):
an executive order to quote unquote designate Antifa as a
domestic terrorist organization.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
All relevant Executive Departments and agencies shall utilize all applicable
authorities to investigate, disrupt, and dismantle any and all illegal operations,
especially those involving terrorist actions conducted by Antifa or any
person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa, or for
which Antifa or any person claiming to act on behalf
of Antifa provide material support, including necessary investigatory and prosecutoral actions,
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against those who fund such operations.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
I mean, like anything in the United States, if you're
going to be prosecuted for a federal crime, the US
attorney has to bring a case against you, and there
has to be a crime that you have committed. The
executive branch does not make law, but legislative branch makes law.
They try, and they tried a lot last time as well.
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I do want to remind everyone that right now we
still have courts, and as we're seeing in Los Angeles
and in other places, grand juries are not returning indictments.
When the a USA brings a shoddy case or tries
to proscute some of something that isn't a crime, that
right now is the case. I'm not saying it will
be forever. I'm saying that that's where we're at, and
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we can take a step back from the ledge if
we know that. I hope for people who are under
standably very afraid.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yes, And I'm not saying don't be afraid because these
are scary times. I'm just saying, like, don't assume that
there's no point to fighting back, or there's no way
to do so, that you'll just like wind up in
a fucking camp. Because people are going to court right
now and winning yea, and those court cases have not
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been invalidated by the administration. That they're not just taking
people into custody anyway like people have repeatedly gotten off
for charges of assaulting ICE officers because they were bullshit charges, right, Yeah,
So that's all I'm trying to say right now.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
Yeah, you know, in terms of what these people are
actually worried about, I think if you read the executive order,
you can see what they're scared of, right, you know,
to do the mildly cringe and or a quote authority
is brittal, oppression is the mask of fear. God Plade
Stole is stealing my shit.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
You and prickser holding hands meme fading and.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Or apparently is a big Star Wars guy.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
But if you look at like what's actually in there, right, Like, okay,
I mean some of it's like obviously twenty twenty stuff,
and then they're talking about like violent assaults on immigration
and Customs enforcement and other law enforcement officials in routine dosing,
and other threats against public figures and activists. Like they
are very worried about the fact that everywhere ICE appears
a whole bunch of people, most of who are just
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like random people in sweatpants. I have seen so many
pictures from every single city that there's like loscualized deployments
are there's just like people in sweatpants who just like
walk out of their houses and start taking pictures of
ice agents. They are very much concerned about this, right,
This is why they're trying to do this crackdown because
the resistance to this stuff is actually working well enough.
(20:48):
You know. It's not not that they haven't been able
to do ice raids, but it has degraded their capacity
to do it significantly. And that's why they're rolling this
shit out so that they can, you know, as as
an attempt to intimidate people and as at to like
get people to stop doing the stuff that they've been doing,
which has been like effective enough to really shift the
(21:10):
way ICE has been forced to do these things.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
And yeah, yeah, Like if you go back to the
like one of the first incidents of people like imposing
an ice rad it was in South Park in San Diego. Right,
these people are not like like organized members of Antifa.
Like South Park is a pretty bougey place. It's like
a vegan small plates restaurant and cocktail place.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
There are people who are pissed that their neighbors are
getting abducted.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah, they're just people who were there and were like, no,
fuck you, this seems wrong.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Yeah, yeah, and again, like we talked about this last week,
like this is happening in Wheaton, Like people in evangelical
college towns are or seeing ice trucks roll up and
like just walking over to them and yelling at them
and filming them, and that sometimes is enough to make
them just run away. And that's what this is. You know,
(21:59):
they're of the fact that they live in an entire
country of people who don't like that you're dragging their
neighbors away at gunpoint, and that's a sign to do
more and not you know, sort of given to fear
every time there's some executive order bullshit that happens.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Yep, talking about things where the regime has not been
as successful as it wanted to. Right, Let's talk about
the case of the Guatemalan children. We spoke about this
on ED I think last week potentially the week before, right.
These were the kids who were grabbed from their beds
of a labored eight weekend and in that time Judge
Sparkle Supernanan theyshued an emergency protective order. But we've now
(22:40):
seen a class action which would bring a more permanent
protective order for these children. Judge Timothy Kelly I'm going
to quote him here. He was talking about the government's
case and he said it had quote crumbled like a
house of cards. This is in part because a whistleblower's
account contradicted the government's claim, and his claim was made
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by Acting Director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement, Angie Salazar.
Salazar said under oath that the children have vin screen
to ensure they would not be subject to abuse on neglect.
The whistlebowers claimed that at least thirty of these children
had been deemed ineligible for return because they have indicators
of being victimized by child abusers before, so returning them
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would obviously return them to that situation of abuse or
potentially do so. Right. The whistleblowers further stated that this
was in an OORR database Office of Refugee Resettlement database
and such that the acting Director would have access to
that information. Right. The printed a lot of other evidence
to Judge Kelly, who granted protection to the children in
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the case, and to quote all un accompanied Guatemalan children
who have received neither a final removal order nor permission
from the Attorney General to voluntarily depart the United States. So,
if you remember, the government had previously said that they
were resettling these children and that the DA had nothing
to do with it, that it was an Office of
Refugee Resettlement operation, right, and that their families wanted them
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home and the families didn't want them home.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
They dropped that claim later. So this is a win. Right.
They couldn't take these little children away in the night
and spirit them off to somewhere where they would be
in danger. Let's move on to Executive Order number two
for this week's episode. This is the one that you
probably heard less about than the Antifa one. But this
is the quote unquote gold card executive order. Oh god, yeah,
(24:33):
it's a gold card. Trump has been true thing about this, right,
He truced about it in June. Also in June, Howard
Lutnik announced that they were already seventy thousand people waiting
for these gold cards. Applications could be made at Trump
card dot gov. That the original stated price was five million.
The executive order signed this week slashed the cost to
(24:56):
just one million US dollars one million, one million million
American dollars. And as our currency continues to crush it,
that will only get more affordable for folks elsewhere in
the world. So that's great, it's good. This is Trump's
promise plan to sell permanent residency. Right when he first
(25:17):
announced this, we kind of wondered, how's he going to
do this statutorily? Right, how's he going to do it legally?
When it turns out his plan is to consider the
donation as evidence that the person is quote of exceptional
business ability and that makes them eligible for an EB
two visa. Oh my god, yeah, so like you could
you could have never engaged in business in your life. Right,
(25:38):
you could receive a small loan of one million dollars
from your parents, sure, and that would allow you to
get one of these. Now, people will go through all
the usual background checks, right, which, according to the EO,
will be expedited. Right. You can't be like a Apple
background bug daddy. He's dead now, but you couldn't be
him with a million dollars, right and do this?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
For example, I like the idea that Abubaka Albigdadi would
like try to move to the US, but would put
his real name and his application for.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Coming.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
You got a check for this, yeah, but everyone's god damaged,
unfortunate man. He shares that name with a bad guy, and.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
There's like a fifty percent chance that it would have
gotten approved that just like no one would have liked
would have had his name on. Yeah. Well look, guys,
the Khalif of Isis is like fucking living in Brooklyn.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Oh yeah, he's going to all those founders meetings, you know,
with other CEOs to discuss managing a large organization.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I'm excited for his ted doc.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
He's put its address as a tunnel in a HGS
controlled area of Syria. No, okay, so, to be clear,
is dead. It's killed in the first Trump administration, Yes,
a corporation donating for an individual would pay two million, right,
so it's more expensive if a corpse doing it on
your behalf. And the cards will supposedly b gold and
(27:01):
have Donald Trump's face on them, which is nice. At
the same time, the Trump administration added one hundred thousand
dollar bill to the H one B visa application so
the visa application fee. The H one B, if you're
not familiar, is an immigration scheme for skilled non immigrant labor,
and particularly interested in this because this was one of
(27:23):
the moments that the Trump coalition began to fracture. In
the early days of the Trump administration, Like, we saw
the kind of tech right as exemplified by Elon Musk
going like, no, H one B is a good they
allow us. They allow them to bring people to this
country and pay them not very much and take advantage
of they're skilled labor. It's what they allowed the tech
(27:43):
industry to do.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
Right.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Sure. And then we saw the more straight up white
nationalists right being like, but those people aren't white, we
don't want them here. And it seems like it is
that cadra of the Trump coalition, that that part of
his of his ideological sort of support base, which has
won out in this instance. Right, because companies cannot save
(28:05):
money paying someone twenty grand less if they have to
pay one hundred ges to get them into the country, right, Like,
individuals could make that donation, I guess, and get the
visa that way, like if they came from wealthy family
in another country and it just desperately wanted to work
in the US. But generally H one b's are used
because employees they can't leave. Right. Your visa is tied
(28:25):
to your employer, so the employment can be much less favorable,
especially in the tech industry where people are always shopping
and changing jobs to try and get a better wage,
better benefits, et cetera. They can't do that, and so
that will be coming to an end. Finally, I want
to talk about immigration judges, and the Trump administration has
fired even more of them. According to NPR, when Trump
(28:47):
came into office, they're about seven hundred and thirty five
of these judges. There are now fewer than five hundred
and eighty.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Why, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yeah, it's quite a remarkable cut. Right. Not all of
them were fired. Some of them took a vantage of
the quote unquote fork in the road offer. If we
remember like early early Trump two point zero, do stuff
in the immigration judges just so people understand, Like people
are like what they fire a judge? How can they
do that? Immigration judges are not part of the independent judiciary.
(29:16):
They are a better way of seeing them would be
a civil servants. Nonetheless, they have in many cases, I guess,
worked to bring the trappings and the procedures of due
process to the immigration world. Right, Like in many cases
they have you know, they're not just rubber stamping deportation orders.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Right.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
People do have a chance to make their case in
front of immigration judges. And even in Trump two point o.
People are still getting asylum in the United States. The
courts right now are extremely backed up. Right, people are
getting here in decks in twenty twenty eight. As we
heard earlier this week, some courts I read that one
court is now running at twenty five percent of its capacity,
(30:00):
Like it's supposed to have twenty one judges and it
has five. Yep, so this means that people will be
in detention for longer. I mean that's like kind of intentional, right, Like,
h well, one could make that case. Very Yeah. The
DOJ has reduced requirements for staffing these positions, and the
Trump administration has authorized about six hundred jags to military
(30:24):
lawyers to take on the role. I don't think they're
going to get the rubber stamp on deportations from those
people that they expect to get. It depends on it
if they sort of hand pick those jags or they
just got a bunch of people from the National Guard.
But sure, I don't think that that's going to be
the just like straight up deportation factory that some people
might assume it to be. But nonetheless, right now what
(30:45):
we have is five hundred and eighty judges, tens of
thousands of people in detention, and detention numbers and detention
over crowding growing every single day, so that is not good.
Detention facilities are terrible at the best of times, and
conditions are pretty awful for I think I've heard right
now talking of things that are pretty awful. Here are
(31:08):
some products and services.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
We're back and uh, next, I think we're talking about tariffs.
Wait a second, do y'all hear that music?
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Sorry?
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Jazz?
Speaker 7 (31:37):
Right?
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Sorry?
Speaker 8 (31:44):
Z right?
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Jazz? Wow. We haven't had the song for a while.
That was nice, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
That was good.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
That was good, just like old times.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Bring it back, just like old times.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Several months ago, Garrison has a stir alarm clock, do
you Garrison?
Speaker 5 (31:59):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Okay, okay, good. I think that would be that would
be too much. That would be too much. I would
I would need we would need to interview.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Listen if you're listening and you do stop it all.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Right, Mia? How our tariffs be?
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Do so?
Speaker 6 (32:15):
We have some tariff news. One is that we have
a Supreme Court date for the case over whether a
whole bunch of the tariffs are going to be allowed
to continue or not. That is going to be on
November fifth. We also have something no movement, which I
think is pretty interesting. So when last we spoke of tariffs,
we mentioned that there were two countries that had gotten
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political tariffs on them, Brazil for arresting Volsonnaro and prosecuting
him and India for buying oil from Russia. And there
was a lot of speculation that these would be fairly
quickly resolved. They have not been. They are both still
into effect. This is having massive consequences on a whole
(32:58):
bunch of stuff. And the place that I want to
focus on with this is US agriculture, because we have
been seeing some extremely alarming things out of the American
agricultural sector that has really not broken out of like
Midwest agriculture circles very much.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
So.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
One of the major consequences of in some sense also
the tariffs on Brazilia. One of the major consequences of
the US tariffs on China is that, like China did
in twenty eighteen, China has simply refused to buy any
American soybeans. The US grows for export fifty two million
tons of soy every year, and more than half of
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that is sold to China.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
And again if you're conspiratorial and belief that, like, you know,
the soy, the soy is ruining people. You shouldn't support this,
well no.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
No, no, no, no, no, no, you should.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
You should.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
You should be opposed to this because you should be
wanting to export soy to China so that you can
you can make the Chinese woken soy.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah, that's what I was saying.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Yes, oh yeah, there do yeah, yeah, yeah, you should.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Support the export of soy to China. We're getting it
out of the US and to our greatest feel political enemy.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
The other people who support the export of soy to
try to are American farmers. So god, I guess this
is like, this is like the farming thing that I
say on this show. I did technically there was technically
a farm behind my house growing up. This is something
that's very common in mid Western agriculture, is a soybean
corn rotation. Doing a soybeing corn rotation is good for
the soil, So it's very very common in American agriculture.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Should you can fix nitrogen and soil with legumes.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
Yeah, but in order to do this you have to
be able to sell the soybeans. And when this happened,
in twenty eighteen. This was kind of kind of behind
the scenes, so that there was a whole big trades
down off in twenty eighteen. And one of the things
that played a big role in ending it was the
fact they trying to just didn't buy soybeans from the
US for a year and it really really really messed
(35:01):
with the American agricultural market. I'm going to read an
account from the Progressive Farmer. This is a quote from Mackay.
For most soybean farmers in North Dakota, you're looking at
about one hundred to one hundred and fifty dollars loss
per acre on every acre of soybeans planted. Grackle said
on his own farm, he expects losses to top four
hundred thousand dollars this year. Grackle said the losses are
(35:25):
not just tied to individual farmers. It's the small businesses.
Local grocery stores, hardware stores, are local schools or financial institutions.
They're all feeling the hurt from this. Yeah, So what's
happening right now is that there is a bunch of
soybeans that are being that are just sitting there. Yeah,
you know, like no one wants to buy them. And
I've seen a few things talking about like, Okay, they're
you know, there's processing plant opening up. We can turn
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them into soybean oil and use like in the US
and do that. But like, this is becoming a really
serious logistical problem because the thing about corn and soybeans
is that it's not like you store them in different things, right,
because if you're a farmer, you're growing both of them.
The sort of storage hubs that they use are the
same ones. And the problem is that there are basically
(36:10):
stockpiles building up of these soybeans that can't be sold,
and this is becoming an increasing problem because there's the
corn harvest and you have to put the corn somewhere.
It's a good example of the kind of middle miniature
logistical nightmares that are cropping up all up and down
the supply chains as these tariffs sort of continue to
roll in, and as the instability of them get he
(36:31):
needs to roll in that you and I aren't seen yet,
or we haven't seen much of the effectives other than
some small price increases, but down the supply chain there
are increasing parts of the population who are just dealing
with these just horrific logistical nightmares. This is going to
be We're going to see the acceleration of this with
a deminimous exemption being eliminated, and in the meantime, China
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is just basically going to the country that the US
lap fifty percent tariffs on. They're going to Brazil and
attempting to basically supply their entire soybean demanded largely from Brazil,
which is like the other major soybean exporter. So this
is also very important politically because the American farming sector
is very, very powerful. There have been some bailouts already,
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but they're not going to be able to sustain the
American farming sector, especially if this goes on for more
than one year. Only there was only one year in
twenty eighteen when they didn't buy and it was at fiasco.
If this goes on for an extended period of time,
it is going to cause significantly larger problems. Also, the
economy was doing a lot better in twenty eighteen than
it is right now. I mean, it's still kind of
a best, but yeah, so this this is going to
(37:40):
turn into an increasing sort of political thorn for Trump
among a bunch of people who are supposed to be
his base because people are very, very frustrated about this,
and it is getting very little press attention. This has
been the American farming tariff update question mark.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
No.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I mean, why would we want to hear about farming
tariff news when instead we can just keep the culture
war machine going to have everyone just gobsmacked over that instead,
Like that's the whole point of their political machine. It's
not that everything is a distraction from something else, right,
It's that if you keep everyone engaged with this with
like culture war nonsense, left wing terrorism, Charlie Kirk whatever,
(38:21):
like all of this stuff, no one's gonna care about
farming tariff news.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Even if you're a big liberal outlet, right, you put
it out there and like half your fucking audience is
going to be like lol, lamal they voted for Trump,
sucks for them, Like yeah yeah.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
And the question effectively is are the people who previously
had been kept in line by woke bathroom anti dei
like trans women in sports stuff going to be able
to be kept in line when the soybeans are running
in the field.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
And we will we will see, we shall see.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah, speaking of some Charlie Kirk culture war, the Department
of Education has partnered with the America First Policy Institute
and Turning Point USA for a new civics program. This
is called the America two fifty Civics Education Coalition. They'll
work with over forty national and state organizations to quote
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spearhead nationwide initiatives to engage students, educators, and communities and
conversations about liberty, citizenship, and America's enduring values unquote. Other
organizations a part of this coalition include Prager You, Moms
for Liberty, Alliance, Defending Freedom, Heritage Foundation, and the three
explicitly Christian lobbying Groups. Now all of these groups are
(39:41):
basically Christian lobbying groups, but three with like Christian or
religious names in the title of the organizations now partnering
directly with the state for this educational coalition. Let's play
video from the new website explaining the initiative.
Speaker 8 (40:00):
Education was once a shining light guiding generations built on faith, heritage, patriotism,
but over the past sixty to seventy years that brilliance
has been dimmed. A great institution has been crumbled from.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Within, playing Civil Rights era.
Speaker 8 (40:20):
Hatred for America, false revisionist history, and division from fundamental.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
States.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Oh, that's triggering phrase for me, critical race theory, gender
queer drag queens.
Speaker 8 (40:31):
Now on the two hundred and fiftieth Linda mcmation, the
Department of Education, the America two fifty Civic Education Coalition,
and partners across America are reigniting that light, understanding and
returning education to the States where it belongs.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
For this was bent your white kids.
Speaker 8 (40:51):
That inspired the world, and under the leadership of President
Trump and Secretary McMahon.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, are
you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 4 (41:09):
AI generated lighthouse.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Oh my god, because.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
We are Americans, the futures ares.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
It's one of the craziest things I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
So the framing of the video is that this lighthouse
has gone out and Linda McMahon emerges, polishes and fixes
the lighthouse, which now shines across the nation, igniting our
patriotic education.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
To find a lighthouse in America. So they aied one.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
With audio from w W Secretary Man, it's like the
most hyper reality American brain say that this is this
is like the here's a lead paint thing that we're
talking about, like talking about how a Marian education has
been like totally destroyed, and they're playing footage of like
civil rights era like protests and like leaders.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
You can't parody this, nah no.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
And it's all set to the to the soundtrack and
edited in the manner of like a big budget Hollywood
ayluster from fifteen years ago. Yeah yeah, yeah, which I
guess you know, fucking conservative Christians are always but fifteen
years yeah, and their culture shit like so that scans
but yeah, like it, this is like it sounds like
a fucking uh uh who's the guy who did independence stake?
(42:28):
God damn it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
I don't know shit about popular culture, but yeah, we
should just know that seventy years ago education was segregated
in this country. Oh yeah, that's race they want, which
is ye yes, I just want to I just want
to just sort of drop that nugget.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
And I've listened in person to Charlie Kirk argue that
we should repeal the Civil Rights Act, like that's what
these people want.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Yeah, yeah, I just want to join the dots for
folks who haven't and history as an heerenty revisionist, that's
what we do. We don't just like, go to God.
We've done it all now, we've worked it all out.
No need for any more historians. That's said that, that's
not how history works.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
The chief education officer of Turning Point Education. This is
his real name, doctor hutts H Hertzburg, Triple H said
that quote that.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
Was also wwe character Is it the same guy?
Speaker 2 (43:14):
No, this is a this is a Christian educator. Oh okay,
he says, quote, Turning Point USA is more resolved than
ever to advance God centered, virtuous education for students flourishing
across our nation. With that in mind, we are honored
to partner with the distinguished organizations that comprise the America
two fifty Civics Education Coalition to restore, revive, and reclaim
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robust American Civics education for all students throughout our country.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
Unquote.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Earlier today is Wednesday, the state of Oklahoma has announced
that they will be establishing TPUSA chapters in every high
school across the state. Oh great, here's the Superintendent Ryan
Waters of Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
I'm excited to do announce today that every Oklahoma high
school will have a Turning Point USA chapter. We have
seen the outpouring from parents, teachers, and students that want
to be engaged in a meaningful work going on a
Turning Point. They want their young people to be engaged
in a process that understands free speech, open engagement, dialogue
(44:21):
about American greatness, a dialogue around American values. We're so
excited to partner with Turning Point USA with this initiative.
For far too long, we have seen radical leftists with
the teachers' union dominate classrooms and push woken doctrination on
our kids. They fight parents' rights, they push parents out
(44:43):
of the classroom, and they lie to our kids about
American history. What we're going to continue to do is
make sure that our kids understand American greatness, engage in
civic dialogue, and have that open discussion. We will continue
to do all that we can sure OCLUMA students have
the best education plots.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Part of this announcement, he's written on Twitter quote radical
leftist teachers unions have dominated classrooms for far too long,
and we are taking them back. I think, Robert, we
talked with this guy last year.
Speaker 5 (45:14):
At the rn C.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
YEP, Yeah, we should.
Speaker 5 (45:16):
We might do something with that interview.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
At some point I wish he'd got he'd been out
of a job by now, but life life, huh.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
The last thing I want to discuss today is quote
unquote transgender terrorism, something I've seen many friends and posters
across the Internet be really really concerned about for you know,
a lot of good reasons. Ken Kleppenstein has released a
few articles the past few days. First to one from
(45:48):
last week, quote the FBI ready's new war on trans people.
The FBI is preparing to label transgender people as violent
extremists in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder as how
can frame that on the headline and for his tweet
alongside the article. Other outlets like them dot us has
spread this reporting even further Quote FBI to categorize trans
(46:11):
people as nihilistic, violent extremist. Threat Group report says the
Federal Bureau of Investigation is reportedly preparing to categorize transgender
people as violent extremists. This framing is incorrect, and I
will explain why in great detail. Shortly, the Federal Bureau
of Investigation is not getting ready to categorize transgender people
(46:35):
as like a category, as like a class of people,
as violent extremists. There is no evidence that this is
currently what they're doing. There's no internal communications arguing this.
Even the Heritage Foundation's proposal to create a new category
of trans terrorism is not arguing this, as I will
quote from here shortly. But let's get into what the
first article from Clippenstein actually wrote, based on a source
(46:57):
inside the government quote. The senior official explains that they're
there is no process per se for dealing with trans
people as a quote unquote threat group, but feels that
trans individuals will be increasingly targeted under the banner of
violent extremism. Under the plant being discussed, the FBI would
treat transgender subjects as a subset of the bureau's new
threat category, nihilistic violent extremists unquote. We've talked about nihilistic
(47:22):
violent extremists on this show before, back in spring, and
we all know that the Trump administration has been targeting
trans people like this is something that everyone who listens
to this show is aware of. This is this is
a real thing, But there is not actually any new
verifiable information in this report. There's rhetoric from people like
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Donald Trump Junior and right wing influencers talking about transgender
terrorists and this trend of transgender terrorists as they have
been for the past two years. Me and Mia did
that piece about fake trans terrorists, like almost two years ago.
That was two years ago to we We've been tracking
this rhetoric for a long time, So stuff like that
fills up a lot of the space in articles like this,
(48:03):
but new verifiable information is actually quite short. In this article,
Ken has a single unnamed official who quote unquote feels
like trans people could be labeled nihilistic violent extremists. Now,
in Ken's previous reporting about this label, he misunderstood the
ENV label. This label exists just essentially for seven to
(48:24):
sixty four. The child this exploitation group that operates from
the discord and Telegram and branch off groups from that.
We've talked about them on the show be here before
as well. And the nihilist of violent extremism term predates
the Trump administration. This isn't a cash betel thing. This
this predates the Trump admin. This was active last year,
and it primarily is to categorize and map these child's
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exploitation rings and some overlapping communities like the school shooter fandom.
But in Ken's article here, there's no like leaked documents
in this report showing like current memos or communications on
this topic. Ken's great for leaks, but there's there's not
leaked documents in this report.
Speaker 5 (49:02):
Now.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
As we all know and we've reported, the right wing
hate campaign against trans people is a real thing. It's
coming from the Trump administration, from state level government, as
well as the entire conservative media apparatus. But I think
right now especially, it's really important to read reports like
this very carefully. Trans fear mongering massively boosts social media engagement,
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which then can encourage people to use framing like this
that might actually kind of be irresponsible. Now, a few
hours before Pilplstein published this first article, the Heritage Foundation
and their Oversight Project released a petition to have the
FBI designate a new category of violent extremism, which they
call trans ideology inspired violent extremism or TIV.
Speaker 5 (49:51):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
TIV is based on the belief that violence is justified
against those who do not share radical views of transgender ideology.
It has led to an increasing trend of TIV domestic
terrorist events across the country in recent years. TIV has
played a role in the majority of mass shootings at schools,
that is the Heritage Foundation's claim. The petition includes a
(50:14):
list of quote unquote TIV motivated attacks, including multiple attackers
who either were not trans or were clearly not motivated
by trans ideology, as reporting at the time and government
documents have shown, including acts from the past like six
or seven years. But Heritage Rights that quote experts estimate
no citation that fifty percent of non gang related school
(50:39):
shootings since twenty fifteen have quote involved or likely involve
trans ideology unquote fifty percent.
Speaker 5 (50:47):
Have involved or likely involved.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yet in this list they can only list three school shootings.
They can only list three, even their own list, which
they say fifty percent likely involve trans ideology.
Speaker 5 (51:01):
There's been more than three school shootings this year.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
This month, there's been more three school shootings not involving
trans people this year. This this is a wild, wildly
atrocious is sad?
Speaker 4 (51:11):
Yeah, it's just fabricated right, like.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
And again, like reality doesn't matter, Like that's that's the point, Like.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
No, this is the Heritage Foundation, Like come on, yeah, yeah.
But importantly, like a violent extremism designation would not mean
that all trans people as a class are deemed violent extremists.
What it would do is it would create a category
to use for investigations into violent acts graph patterns of violence,
argue in court documents, and possibly include some preemptive surveillance
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on people or groups that are deemed as threats as
a part of this strut group. But in the petition,
Heritage says that no, not all transgender individuals or their
allies are domestic terrorists.
Speaker 5 (51:55):
Quote. They are even free to engage it in offensive
and hateful speech under the first men, so long as
they do not stray into unlawful incitement, defamation, true threat, obscenity,
or some other category of non protected speech. The domestic
terror destination becomes relevant only when individuals or groups one
are motivated by an ideology that encourages, promotes, or condones violence,
and two take or incite unlawful violent action or threats
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based on that ideology. Both criteria must be met.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Unquote. That's from the Heritage's own petition. It's not There's
nothing in Heritage's own petition or Ken's article that says
that trans people entirely are going to be deemed terrorists
or a domestic like extremist threat group. That's not what
either Heritage or what the actual details of articles like
(52:45):
Ken's is saying. And to further kind of show this divide.
The Heritage petition also addresses the nihilist violent extremism label
as a completely separate thing, unrelated trans people that they
do not want combined into one single category. I don't
know why Ken keeps pushing on this label so much.
It's really important to understand how trans people are actually
under threat right now, because they are right. The biggest
(53:07):
threats to transpaople right now are access to healthcare, specifically
for people who are under the age of eighteen, and
things like bathroom bands and trying to restrict transmitter people
from public life. But the other biggest threat to transpeople
right now is like ourselves, and we don't need to
do the government's work for them to keep us so demoralized.
Spreading misinformation or unverified reports like this that just makes
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everyone panicked and freak out actually harms us and our community.
The trans panic industrial complex is dangerous and people need
to be very careful about this because it's an extremely
dangerous time and having an accurate assessment over what's going
on is going to be crucial to survive the next
few months to years.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
No and again, we've seen this on the right and
this has played a role in radicalizing a lot of
people on the right and getting them to do fucked
up shit. Is years of like they're coming for you,
They're coming for you. They're going to be coming for
you tonight, right like you're already dead. You know, there's
money in pushing and there's clout in pushing hopelessness. Yeah,
(54:13):
And I don't want to be telling people everything's good,
because it's not. That things are very dangerous for trans
people right now in a way they have not been
at any point previously in very recent history. Things are
much worse. Right, nobody's denying that, but you have to
look at like the facts of how they're worse, as
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opposed to not reading an article or analyzing what the
article actually says, or analyzing what the Heritage Foundation says
and saying they've they're declaring all of us terrorists, right,
because that's not going to end.
Speaker 6 (54:46):
Well, No, don't panic, organize. That's the actual solution to this.
I also want to briefly note on I've seen a
lot of comparisons of this to the Black identity extremism designation,
and I want to bring this back to something that
Garrison mentioned earlier about the way that the nihilis extremism
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category was like specifically designed to target like a specific
sort of complex network of.
Speaker 5 (55:13):
Yeah, pedophile discord servers.
Speaker 6 (55:15):
Yeah, this is the same methodology that was used for
black identity extremism. Black identity extremism wasn't a category they
conjured out of nowhere to go after all black people.
It was a category that was specifically designed to go
after specific activists in the wake of Occupy and the
wake of Ferguson. Yeah, and this is completely just not
(55:38):
the process that is happening for this, right, Like, we're
not dealing with Okay, there is a specific group of
transactivists that the government wants to target, so they're creating
a label for it, right, We don't have any evidence
of that at all. What we have is anonymous sources
saying they feel like something might happen.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
That trans people could be targeted, And you're like, yeah,
trans people have been targeted, like that, that's what's happening. Yeah,
Are they going to be labeled denialist of violand streamists
at this point?
Speaker 5 (56:06):
Unlikely?
Speaker 2 (56:07):
Could the FBI consider adopting something like the Heritage proposal
for FORTIV, Yeah, possibly, Yeah, that is that is absolutely
a possibility. Would that come into reality the same way
that people are talking about it online or the way
that headlines are framing it. No, it's not about designating
all trans people as terrorists as a class.
Speaker 6 (56:27):
It's not about that. And it also wouldn't function like
the black identity extreamist thing, because again, that was like
they already had people they were going after and they
wanted a legal category that they could deploy in order
to go after them. That's not what's happening here. They
don't have like a list of like trans discord servers
that they're about to round up for like doing a protest, Like,
(56:49):
that's not what's happening here.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
No, But they could go after people who are make
threats online, and that's something that I'm sure Cashtel's fbiyah
would love to do. And if they can sort those
people into a category like tive to argue in a
prosecution or to or to make like a float chart
to direct investigations, then that's the realm they're gonna use.
Speaker 6 (57:10):
Yeah, but even that, we are so far away from
them even like starting that process that you should be
concerned about the actual threats from Like I don't know
I mean just like literally there's there's been a series
of attacks on trans people, just like in neighborhoods in
Seattle by just like gangs of dudes. Right, That's like
an actual substantive thing that is happening that is not this,
(57:34):
that is not some sort of nebulous like we are
relying on opinions of unnamed officials. We can look at
and evaluate and figure out what we're going to do
about it instead of just giving into the panic industrial
complex and panicking about it.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
Yeah, things that are frame bombastically like this go super
viral and they spread a lot, and that's what the
algorithms are encouraging. I mean, same thing with the algorithmic
boosting of you know, false flight conspiracy theories, because those
are so much more satis find they spread like wildfire
across blue sky and Twitter and like even things like
Instagram stories. And just be very careful about anything that
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goes viral because that claim is trying to influence your brain.
It's trying to worm its way into your brain to
take the form as a thought that you had yourself.
And be super careful because this type of weaponize on
reality has been used so successfully the past ten years
against the right. This is how the whole like you know,
migrant panic wave started lies about immigration.
Speaker 5 (58:30):
This like panicked framing.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
These things spread like wildfire online and now you have
large swaths of the country believing in this genuine like
like you know, migrant crisis. And this is how social
media functions to influence how your brain thinks and how
your brain process is fact from fiction and forms like
a collective sense of reality. And you are also being
targeted by this same process in different ways than the
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right is, but this process is still targeting you as well.
And it's like super important to like read things critically
and take time before jumping to conclusions because I don't
think we need more quick, emotionally satisfying conspiracy theories in
our life.
Speaker 1 (59:09):
Yeah. Anyway, that's the news this week.
Speaker 5 (59:13):
We sure did report it.
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Yeah, the news this week.
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This is it could happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly
newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,
what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today. I'm
joined by Mia Wong Jamestown and Robert Evans.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
This week, we're covering the week of September eighteen to
September twenty four.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Luckily, nothink that remarkable has happened. It's a bit short one.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Another famously slow newsweek in the United States of America
and abroad, only the most stable out of all democratic countries.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, oh yeah, I mean the democracies were easily the
most democratic.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Shining city on a hill. It's saying, that's right, that's right, elevated. Yeah,
So let's talk about this guy who opened fire and
ice detention facility to start off with.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Then, sure, that's the big news story today is that
there's been a shooting at an ice facility in Dallas.
This is not the first shooting at a North Texas
ice facility this year. Two detainees were killed and one injured.
Last I saw, they were in an ice van, it
looks like and the shooter killed themselves pretty quickly. It
seems like, yeah, like fired a few rounds and then
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killed themselves.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Yeah. Cash Hotel, who's the director to the FBI, shared
pretty quickly after shooting on x dot com the Everything
website a photo of a strip eclip of what looks
a lot like ein't milimeter Mauser ammunition. One round had
the wood anti ice written on it in blue pen
in block capital letters.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, lazy, we can agree on that, like, especially compared
to etching them onto a bullet. This has been I think,
immediately adopted by God. I mean, it seems like I
haven't done a deep survey, but most of the liberals
and leftists that I follow on both Twitter and Blue Sky,
(02:00):
and on just looking at friends on Facebook, they have
pretty immediately gone after this as a false flag or something.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Liberals and left us casting doubt on the authenticity of this.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I'm seeing both people be like, well, the shooter must
have been a right winger who lazily put anti ice
on the bullet, or this is some sort of federal conspiracy.
But a lot of conspiracism here.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, we simply don't know very much about the shooting
at this point. It's unclear who the shooter was aiming
for if they were just aiming at ice property, right
like unknowingly shooting like migrant detainees inside.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Did they think whoever was an ad van was a cop?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah? Yeah, most of this lines up with the person
being the sort of person who ends up being a
high profile shooter, right, Like, they're not so much an
ideologically motivated person as someone who, like you say, pretty
low effort wrote anti ice on their bullets at the
last minute of not on the bullet, but on the
casing that holds the fucking powder that the bullet goes in. Like,
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I understand how that works.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And this just fits. This is something I tried to
talk about pretty regularly. Shootings in the United States are
heavily driven by mimetic spread.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
This has been happening since Columbine. There have been more
than one hundred copycat shootings of Columbine. And you do
have shooters who are let's say original, right like the
christ Church shooter, where they have new ideas for things
to do in mass shootings and then in the wake
of those, because whenever someone does something really new, it
gets a lot of attention, right Like, if there's a
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mass shooting that gets a lot more media coverage than
other ones, there will be people who copy it and
who copy specific aspects of that shooting. And what I'm
seeing with this guy that kind of just fits into
that pattern is you had a really high profile North
Texas shooting at a nice facility. Then you had a
really high profile shooting where somebody with a hunting rifle
(03:56):
shot at targets from the top of a roof, right,
And I'm seeing both of those things in this shooting,
and I guess it's just like, Yeah, that kind of
scans to me, you know.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, I guess another thing that has been fueling this
conspiracy zerm So the guy used a Mauser rifle, different
type of Mauser rifle to the last one. It looks
to me like a con ninety eight. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
The previous one was a very old Mauser that had
been rebarreled the thirty eight to six, which is a
very common American round. This one looks to have been
an original car ninety eight K that was still an
eight millimeter Mauser, which was the gun the Nazi that
was the standard battle rifle of the Wehrmacht during World
War Two. Yeah, it's not weird. He would have access
to that. He probably didn't have to buy it or
passed the background check to get it. Looking at Garrison
(04:44):
found his mother's Facebook. They'll talk some more about that,
but one of the things that was on there is
her talking about how she recently had to clean out
like a barn and a farm that her grandfather and
dad had owned and get rid of a lot of
their stuff. It kind of makes sense to me. One
of them, very likely was a veteran, could have brought
back a car ninety eight k as hundreds of thousands
of gis did, yeah, from the war, and it would
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have just gotten passed down under the family. Right, not weird, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
No way at all. Like you say, there are probably
hundreds of thousands of these in the United States.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
It was very common. And again that's more or less
probably what happened with the Charlie kirkshooter. Why why they
had a mouser right, Yeah, because it was their grandpa's rifle.
Probably had it re rebarreled or whatever. You know.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Yeah, not uncommon at all. Someone in especially somewhere like
Texas where you know those rifles, even if you didn't
bring them back from World War One, like could have
been obtained by private party transfer any time in the
last seventy five years. So he'd been placed on probation
for twenty sixteen marijuana offense, for which he pled guilty
and received deferred adjudication. I guess in Texas it's considered
(05:50):
dealing marijuana, but it just seems to be that he
was in possession of an amount greater than a quarter
ounce but less than five pounds. I'm not that familiar
with Texas law in that regard, but that is a
thing that we found out about him. I'll just add that, like,
I don't know if that effects his ability to obtain
a new firearm by doing a forty four to seventy three.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It's it's unclear, but it wouldn't. It doesn't matter in
Texas because again, you can just meet a guy in
a parking lot and buy a gun exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeah, it's not relevant.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
As I did when I lived in Texas almost every month.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Would be great today of Texas. Yeah, see, it's easy
to get a gun in Texas.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
How did he get the gun? It could have He
could have gotten it by accident. He could have traded
groceries for it like you just don't know, but there's
there's no barriers to him owning this.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, we still don't know very much about this guy
outside of his like public arrest record. I have like
a LinkedIn that hasn't been updated in a few years. Yeah,
he voted in the twenty twenty Democratic primary.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
We know that from Texas voting records.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
His mom's Facebook has a few political sentiments, but not
expressed very commonly. She's posted a few times about Greg
Abbot's pro gun stances.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, she was definitely like anti NRA, anti.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Abbot, anti NRA, upset about Abbot and a senator Korn
and Cruise not taking action for gun control damp.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Yeah, this isn't the sort of gun that would ever
be impacted by now proposed gun control legislation, right, Like,
this is kind of central to the gun that people
generally fail is reasonable to people to own.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yes, assuming that it was something that he inherited from
a grandfather, a great grandfather. Even like gun control bills
that are looking at stopping face to face sales wouldn't
stop this because the dims always tend to include an
exception for like, yeah, inheriting your dad's hunting rifle or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Right, Yeah, on an old Google Plus profile that's cashed deep.
His profile picture is like a Soviet communist carerture. But again,
that is no indication of a recent political alignment. We
still don't have a detailed look at this guy's politics.
But people have been quick to call this a false
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flag when I think this appears more like in the
manifestation of this reality brain rottedness that we've talked about
vis a vis the years of lead paint, Like brain
rot inspires like ill thought or logical actions that maybe
appear akin to a half baked false flag. This is
like just a result of this weaponized on reality. Fiction
(08:35):
inspires reality, and then reality is seen through the lens
of fiction. So people project onto the state this like
nineteen fifty CIA staging world events. Thing like everything's become
so like Eddington pilled.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Yeah, I remember there was there was a really big
example of this someone I forget exactly what it was,
like someone like graffitied like Chuck Schumer's garage or something,
and everyone that I knew was convinced it was a
false flag, Like yeah, all over Twitter's Olver Blues. Everyone
thought it was a false flag, and it's just like
all of that has just accelerated alongside this process that
(09:11):
you'reson you're describing, where you have the unreality tunnel of
all this is a false flag, then you have the
other unreality tunnels that are like generating these people, and
they're just sort of like, yeah, flowing parallel to each other.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Nashing into each other. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
No, Like people are so quick just to point the
Black's rule image to discount every single thing that might
confuse you at first glance, Like if you cannot understand
that someone who is suicidal would do a crazy thing
like this, inspired by recent events and scribble something onto
a bullet trying to shoot at ICE equipment or ICE
(09:44):
agents ICE property, inadvertently killing actual ICE detainees, if you
have no way to understand that as a premise, and
the only way that you can see something like this
is happening is like a beat cop walking up to
the crime scene realizing he has to alter it to
fit an agenda. Like that is a way more disjointed
and like broken reality to force yourself to believe than
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just take the facts as they come and evaluate them
slowly without jumping to a very quick assumption that satisfies
your emotional reaction to a tragic event like this where
multiple people have died. With Trump in power again, I
think it's entirely possible that oppositional political violence will take
a form that resembles quote unquote left wing attacks increasingly
(10:28):
through the next few years. It's not twenty eighteen anymore.
Calling this guy a leftist right now doesn't make any sense.
We don't have a clear look at his politics or
if he really even had serious politics.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
But there are a lot of.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Like seemingly normal people who are depressed, demoralized, or angry
and might not write a stupid twitter brained manifesto and
scribbling anti ice gets a point across, whether that's sincere
or some kind of ironic ship post. If anti ice
sounds weird in comparison to fuck ice or abolish Ice, again,
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not everyone is part of like the leftist twitter brained
terminology circle. It seems like he wasn't really thinking things
through intently anyway, as is common with these like quick
copycat style attacks and attacks like this are also sometimes
just harshly driven by suicide, wanting to do something as
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a part of the suicidal act, and like who knows
what this shooter was aiming for or what they thought
they were aiming for. We do not have enough information yet.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
And it's worth noting NBC has interviewed his brother. Kind
of sounds like from the text of the NBC article
like they broke the news to him, which is.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Oof, that's fucked up, not great.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, but he said the last time he'd seen his
brothers two weeks ago, he was not particularly political. He
had never mentioned anything about Ice. As far as his
brother knew, he had no hatred or particular feelings about
Ice either way. He was registered as political independent. His
brother said that his parents had a rifle and that
he knew that his brother knew how to shoot it,
but that he didn't think he knew how to make
(12:10):
a shot like that. I don't think he knew anything
about the quality of shot. And it doesn't sound like
he did anything but shoot into a van and then
kill himself. So, he was recently unemployed and was looking
to move to his parents' land in Oklahoma, but he
was raised in Alan. The whole unemployed didn't sound like
he felt like he had a lot of maybe opportunity
(12:31):
going forward. His life was not going great, Like I
don't know, like I'm not having trouble seeing this all
add up now.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I mean, the people who do some crazy hit like
this often have a suicidal impulse running through an action
like this, And sometimes his manifests were something akin to
like you know, this is like a bad term, but
like suicide by cop right, and like similar to what
Roberts said about like mimetic and like copycat shootings. You
can see some of what's on display here in the
lineage of Luigi Mangioni allegedly writing denying to pose on bullets,
(13:05):
then the Charlie kirkshooting with stuff for non bullets. Yeah,
but this is something that's not like in our Zeitgei.
So it doesn't require you to be like an online
communist to do something like this, nor is it relegated
to a cop trying to manufacture a fake narrative to
cover up a murder of immigrants to frame it in
this left wing violence spike that the right is currently
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really running with.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, look, folks, if you are convinced that this is
a conspiracy, I really doubt much that we say is
going to convince you. Otherwise, it's kind of a I
don't want to go on too bleak of a rantier,
but like, I almost feel like there's not really a
point in trying to stand up for basic reality anymore,
because number one, people are increasingly going to dig into
(13:53):
the reality tunnel that's most comforting to them, and that's
going to be the one where, like they don't have
to deal with the complexities the world. That like, some
people who on paper have espoused beliefs that are similar
to you will also do fucked up shit, right like that,
that's just America. That's living in a country with four
hundred million guns. That's living in a country where mass
(14:14):
shootings go viral and where people act based off the
virality of shootings that they watch or see or hear about. Yeah,
And honestly, like there's a part of me that feels
like caring about the reality of the situation is almost
a vanity project, that like, it doesn't win you anything. Yeah,
it doesn't get you anywhere, It doesn't help you make
(14:35):
the world better. Maybe just embracing a fall like the
right has gotten very far in embracing completely fraudulent realities.
So why do I even care?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I Mean, this is something I've talked about with like
the flattening of tactics, with the right adopting state sponsored
cancel culture and the left getting more conspiratorial in like
replies to tweet some blue Sky posts talking about how
you know, the bulleting markings have to be a false flag.
I'm seeing people share memes like Pepe like psyop memes,
but like like leftists and like like oh wow, yeah,
(15:05):
liberals sharing sharing these memes that you used to just
see under like unhinged right wing accounts to talk about
how big world events are all stage or the Feds
are faking everything, and it's it's just this complete like
swap more accurately a flattening of tactics, and yeah, like it.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
It.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
It sucks to be in a position where I'm trying
to be like slow and methodical and how I evaluate
things and not just jump to posting funny reaction images
about how everything is a syop and how everything is
a false flag.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Lameo obvious psyop work done.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Because that seems so much more emotionally compelling, and instead
I'm just tired.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, just tired all the time. Anyway, go on and
believe whatever you want. Let's continue the episode. All right,
let's talk about Antifa when we come back.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
It comes from a mind control pond.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Speaking of false flags and Tiffa Antifa.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I hardly no, that doesn't Garrison, just continue.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
I don't have anything to say about that.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
All right, listen, folks, We're going to be doing what
James is going to be doing with our collective lawyer
Moira Meltzer Cohen, an episode on what this actually means legally,
and we will be doing that with a lawyer who
is competent to speak on that more than we are. Yeah,
I guess kind of what we want to do briefly
in this episode is try and pull people back from
(16:38):
a ledge if you're feeling like you're on one right now,
because it's bad. The current situation is bad. The administration
is absolutely going after people on the left. They absolutely
will be increasingly applying terrorism enhancements to charges for anything
that can be deemed as politically motivated by the left.
But this declaration, as people pointed out, it's not like
a thing the president declaring somethingtic terrorist group like. It's
(17:01):
not like none of this is anything that like has
a legal force bind it, which doesn't mean again that
they're not going to continue to go after people. But
this is stuff that started under the Biden administration, applying
RICO charges and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
This is stuff that goes back to the nineties, right
to the scare Yeah right, yeah. With with environmental organizations,
there is no real domestic terrorism designation. That's why they're
trying to go after like funders and trying to find
ties to like international groups to have that terrorism like
label make more legal sense. But Trump did actually sign
(17:35):
an executive order to quote unquote designate Antifa as a
domestic terrorist organization.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
All relevant Executive Departments and agencies shall utilize all applicable
authorities to investigate, disrupt, and dismantle any and all illegal operations,
especially those involving terrorist actions conducted by Antifa or any
person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa, or for
which Antifa or any person claiming to act on behalf
of Antifa provide material support, including necessary investigatory and prosecutoral actions,
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against those who fund such operations.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
I mean, like anything in the United States, if you're
going to be prosecuted for a federal crime, the US
attorney has to bring a case against you, and there
has to be a crime that you have committed. The
executive branch does not make law, but legislative branch makes law.
They try, and they tried a lot last time as well.
(18:31):
I do want to remind everyone that right now we
still have courts, and as we're seeing in Los Angeles
and in other places, grand juries are not returning indictments.
When the a USA brings a shoddy case or tries
to proscute some of something that isn't a crime, that
right now is the case. I'm not saying it will
be forever. I'm saying that that's where we're at, and
(18:54):
we can take a step back from the ledge if
we know that. I hope for people who are under
standably very afraid.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yes, And I'm not saying don't be afraid because these
are scary times. I'm just saying, like, don't assume that
there's no point to fighting back, or there's no way
to do so, that you'll just like wind up in
a fucking camp. Because people are going to court right
now and winning yea, and those court cases have not
(19:23):
been invalidated by the administration. That they're not just taking
people into custody anyway like people have repeatedly gotten off
for charges of assaulting ICE officers because they were bullshit charges, right, Yeah,
So that's all I'm trying to say right now.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
Yeah, you know, in terms of what these people are
actually worried about, I think if you read the executive order,
you can see what they're scared of, right, you know,
to do the mildly cringe and or a quote authority
is brittal, oppression is the mask of fear. God Plade
Stole is stealing my shit.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
You and prickser holding hands meme fading and.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Or apparently is a big Star Wars guy.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
But if you look at like what's actually in there, right, Like, okay,
I mean some of it's like obviously twenty twenty stuff,
and then they're talking about like violent assaults on immigration
and Customs enforcement and other law enforcement officials in routine dosing,
and other threats against public figures and activists. Like they
are very worried about the fact that everywhere ICE appears
a whole bunch of people, most of who are just
(20:27):
like random people in sweatpants. I have seen so many
pictures from every single city that there's like loscualized deployments
are there's just like people in sweatpants who just like
walk out of their houses and start taking pictures of
ice agents. They are very much concerned about this, right,
This is why they're trying to do this crackdown because
the resistance to this stuff is actually working well enough.
(20:48):
You know. It's not not that they haven't been able
to do ice raids, but it has degraded their capacity
to do it significantly. And that's why they're rolling this
shit out so that they can, you know, as as
an attempt to intimidate people and as at to like
get people to stop doing the stuff that they've been doing,
which has been like effective enough to really shift the
(21:10):
way ICE has been forced to do these things.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
And yeah, yeah, Like if you go back to the
like one of the first incidents of people like imposing
an ice rad it was in South Park in San Diego. Right,
these people are not like like organized members of Antifa.
Like South Park is a pretty bougey place. It's like
a vegan small plates restaurant and cocktail place.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
There are people who are pissed that their neighbors are
getting abducted.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah, they're just people who were there and were like, no,
fuck you, this seems wrong.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Yeah, yeah, and again, like we talked about this last week,
like this is happening in Wheaton, Like people in evangelical
college towns are or seeing ice trucks roll up and
like just walking over to them and yelling at them
and filming them, and that sometimes is enough to make
them just run away. And that's what this is. You know,
(21:59):
they're of the fact that they live in an entire
country of people who don't like that you're dragging their
neighbors away at gunpoint, and that's a sign to do
more and not you know, sort of given to fear
every time there's some executive order bullshit that happens.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Yep, talking about things where the regime has not been
as successful as it wanted to. Right, Let's talk about
the case of the Guatemalan children. We spoke about this
on ED I think last week potentially the week before, right.
These were the kids who were grabbed from their beds
of a labored eight weekend and in that time Judge
Sparkle Supernanan theyshued an emergency protective order. But we've now
(22:40):
seen a class action which would bring a more permanent
protective order for these children. Judge Timothy Kelly I'm going
to quote him here. He was talking about the government's
case and he said it had quote crumbled like a
house of cards. This is in part because a whistleblower's
account contradicted the government's claim, and his claim was made
(23:00):
by Acting Director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement, Angie Salazar.
Salazar said under oath that the children have vin screen
to ensure they would not be subject to abuse on neglect.
The whistlebowers claimed that at least thirty of these children
had been deemed ineligible for return because they have indicators
of being victimized by child abusers before, so returning them
(23:22):
would obviously return them to that situation of abuse or
potentially do so. Right. The whistleblowers further stated that this
was in an OORR database Office of Refugee Resettlement database
and such that the acting Director would have access to
that information. Right. The printed a lot of other evidence
to Judge Kelly, who granted protection to the children in
(23:43):
the case, and to quote all un accompanied Guatemalan children
who have received neither a final removal order nor permission
from the Attorney General to voluntarily depart the United States. So,
if you remember, the government had previously said that they
were resettling these children and that the DA had nothing
to do with it, that it was an Office of
Refugee Resettlement operation, right, and that their families wanted them
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home and the families didn't want them home.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
They dropped that claim later. So this is a win. Right.
They couldn't take these little children away in the night
and spirit them off to somewhere where they would be
in danger. Let's move on to Executive Order number two
for this week's episode. This is the one that you
probably heard less about than the Antifa one. But this
is the quote unquote gold card executive order. Oh god, yeah,
(24:33):
it's a gold card. Trump has been true thing about this, right,
He truced about it in June. Also in June, Howard
Lutnik announced that they were already seventy thousand people waiting
for these gold cards. Applications could be made at Trump
card dot gov. That the original stated price was five million.
The executive order signed this week slashed the cost to
(24:56):
just one million US dollars one million, one million million
American dollars. And as our currency continues to crush it,
that will only get more affordable for folks elsewhere in
the world. So that's great, it's good. This is Trump's
promise plan to sell permanent residency. Right when he first
(25:17):
announced this, we kind of wondered, how's he going to
do this statutorily? Right, how's he going to do it legally?
When it turns out his plan is to consider the
donation as evidence that the person is quote of exceptional
business ability and that makes them eligible for an EB
two visa. Oh my god, yeah, so like you could
you could have never engaged in business in your life. Right,
(25:38):
you could receive a small loan of one million dollars
from your parents, sure, and that would allow you to
get one of these. Now, people will go through all
the usual background checks, right, which, according to the EO,
will be expedited. Right. You can't be like a Apple
background bug daddy. He's dead now, but you couldn't be
him with a million dollars, right and do this?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
For example, I like the idea that Abubaka Albigdadi would
like try to move to the US, but would put
his real name and his application for.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Coming.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
You got a check for this, yeah, but everyone's god damaged,
unfortunate man. He shares that name with a bad guy, and.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
There's like a fifty percent chance that it would have
gotten approved that just like no one would have liked
would have had his name on. Yeah. Well look, guys,
the Khalif of Isis is like fucking living in Brooklyn.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Oh yeah, he's going to all those founders meetings, you know,
with other CEOs to discuss managing a large organization.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I'm excited for his ted doc.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
He's put its address as a tunnel in a HGS
controlled area of Syria. No, okay, so, to be clear,
is dead. It's killed in the first Trump administration, Yes,
a corporation donating for an individual would pay two million, right,
so it's more expensive if a corpse doing it on
your behalf. And the cards will supposedly b gold and
(27:01):
have Donald Trump's face on them, which is nice. At
the same time, the Trump administration added one hundred thousand
dollar bill to the H one B visa application so
the visa application fee. The H one B, if you're
not familiar, is an immigration scheme for skilled non immigrant labor,
and particularly interested in this because this was one of
(27:23):
the moments that the Trump coalition began to fracture. In
the early days of the Trump administration, Like, we saw
the kind of tech right as exemplified by Elon Musk
going like, no, H one B is a good they
allow us. They allow them to bring people to this
country and pay them not very much and take advantage
of they're skilled labor. It's what they allowed the tech
(27:43):
industry to do.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
Right.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Sure. And then we saw the more straight up white
nationalists right being like, but those people aren't white, we
don't want them here. And it seems like it is
that cadra of the Trump coalition, that that part of
his of his ideological sort of support base, which has
won out in this instance. Right, because companies cannot save
(28:05):
money paying someone twenty grand less if they have to
pay one hundred ges to get them into the country, right, Like,
individuals could make that donation, I guess, and get the
visa that way, like if they came from wealthy family
in another country and it just desperately wanted to work
in the US. But generally H one b's are used
because employees they can't leave. Right. Your visa is tied
(28:25):
to your employer, so the employment can be much less favorable,
especially in the tech industry where people are always shopping
and changing jobs to try and get a better wage,
better benefits, et cetera. They can't do that, and so
that will be coming to an end. Finally, I want
to talk about immigration judges, and the Trump administration has
fired even more of them. According to NPR, when Trump
(28:47):
came into office, they're about seven hundred and thirty five
of these judges. There are now fewer than five hundred
and eighty.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Why, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yeah, it's quite a remarkable cut. Right. Not all of
them were fired. Some of them took a vantage of
the quote unquote fork in the road offer. If we
remember like early early Trump two point zero, do stuff
in the immigration judges just so people understand, Like people
are like what they fire a judge? How can they
do that? Immigration judges are not part of the independent judiciary.
(29:16):
They are a better way of seeing them would be
a civil servants. Nonetheless, they have in many cases, I guess,
worked to bring the trappings and the procedures of due
process to the immigration world. Right, Like in many cases
they have you know, they're not just rubber stamping deportation orders.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Right.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
People do have a chance to make their case in
front of immigration judges. And even in Trump two point o.
People are still getting asylum in the United States. The
courts right now are extremely backed up. Right, people are
getting here in decks in twenty twenty eight. As we
heard earlier this week, some courts I read that one
court is now running at twenty five percent of its capacity,
(30:00):
Like it's supposed to have twenty one judges and it
has five. Yep, so this means that people will be
in detention for longer. I mean that's like kind of intentional, right, Like,
h well, one could make that case. Very Yeah. The
DOJ has reduced requirements for staffing these positions, and the
Trump administration has authorized about six hundred jags to military
(30:24):
lawyers to take on the role. I don't think they're
going to get the rubber stamp on deportations from those
people that they expect to get. It depends on it
if they sort of hand pick those jags or they
just got a bunch of people from the National Guard.
But sure, I don't think that that's going to be
the just like straight up deportation factory that some people
might assume it to be. But nonetheless, right now what
(30:45):
we have is five hundred and eighty judges, tens of
thousands of people in detention, and detention numbers and detention
over crowding growing every single day, so that is not good.
Detention facilities are terrible at the best of times, and
conditions are pretty awful for I think I've heard right
now talking of things that are pretty awful. Here are
(31:08):
some products and services.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
We're back and uh, next, I think we're talking about tariffs.
Wait a second, do y'all hear that music?
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Sorry?
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Jazz?
Speaker 7 (31:37):
Right?
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Sorry?
Speaker 8 (31:44):
Z right?
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Jazz? Wow. We haven't had the song for a while.
That was nice, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
That was good.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
That was good, just like old times.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Bring it back, just like old times.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Several months ago, Garrison has a stir alarm clock, do
you Garrison?
Speaker 5 (31:59):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Okay, okay, good. I think that would be that would
be too much. That would be too much. I would
I would need we would need to interview.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Listen if you're listening and you do stop it all.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Right, Mia? How our tariffs be?
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Do so?
Speaker 6 (32:15):
We have some tariff news. One is that we have
a Supreme Court date for the case over whether a
whole bunch of the tariffs are going to be allowed
to continue or not. That is going to be on
November fifth. We also have something no movement, which I
think is pretty interesting. So when last we spoke of tariffs,
we mentioned that there were two countries that had gotten
(32:37):
political tariffs on them, Brazil for arresting Volsonnaro and prosecuting
him and India for buying oil from Russia. And there
was a lot of speculation that these would be fairly
quickly resolved. They have not been. They are both still
into effect. This is having massive consequences on a whole
(32:58):
bunch of stuff. And the place that I want to
focus on with this is US agriculture, because we have
been seeing some extremely alarming things out of the American
agricultural sector that has really not broken out of like
Midwest agriculture circles very much.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
So.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
One of the major consequences of in some sense also
the tariffs on Brazilia. One of the major consequences of
the US tariffs on China is that, like China did
in twenty eighteen, China has simply refused to buy any
American soybeans. The US grows for export fifty two million
tons of soy every year, and more than half of
(33:41):
that is sold to China.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
And again if you're conspiratorial and belief that, like, you know,
the soy, the soy is ruining people. You shouldn't support this,
well no.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
No, no, no, no, no, no, you should.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
You should.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
You should be opposed to this because you should be
wanting to export soy to China so that you can
you can make the Chinese woken soy.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah, that's what I was saying.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Yes, oh yeah, there do yeah, yeah, yeah, you should.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Support the export of soy to China. We're getting it
out of the US and to our greatest feel political enemy.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
The other people who support the export of soy to
try to are American farmers. So god, I guess this
is like, this is like the farming thing that I
say on this show. I did technically there was technically
a farm behind my house growing up. This is something
that's very common in mid Western agriculture, is a soybean
corn rotation. Doing a soybeing corn rotation is good for
the soil, So it's very very common in American agriculture.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Should you can fix nitrogen and soil with legumes.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
Yeah, but in order to do this you have to
be able to sell the soybeans. And when this happened,
in twenty eighteen. This was kind of kind of behind
the scenes, so that there was a whole big trades
down off in twenty eighteen. And one of the things
that played a big role in ending it was the
fact they trying to just didn't buy soybeans from the
US for a year and it really really really messed
(35:01):
with the American agricultural market. I'm going to read an
account from the Progressive Farmer. This is a quote from Mackay.
For most soybean farmers in North Dakota, you're looking at
about one hundred to one hundred and fifty dollars loss
per acre on every acre of soybeans planted. Grackle said
on his own farm, he expects losses to top four
hundred thousand dollars this year. Grackle said the losses are
(35:25):
not just tied to individual farmers. It's the small businesses.
Local grocery stores, hardware stores, are local schools or financial institutions.
They're all feeling the hurt from this. Yeah, So what's
happening right now is that there is a bunch of
soybeans that are being that are just sitting there. Yeah,
you know, like no one wants to buy them. And
I've seen a few things talking about like, Okay, they're
you know, there's processing plant opening up. We can turn
(35:48):
them into soybean oil and use like in the US
and do that. But like, this is becoming a really
serious logistical problem because the thing about corn and soybeans
is that it's not like you store them in different things, right,
because if you're a farmer, you're growing both of them.
The sort of storage hubs that they use are the
same ones. And the problem is that there are basically
(36:10):
stockpiles building up of these soybeans that can't be sold,
and this is becoming an increasing problem because there's the
corn harvest and you have to put the corn somewhere.
It's a good example of the kind of middle miniature
logistical nightmares that are cropping up all up and down
the supply chains as these tariffs sort of continue to
roll in, and as the instability of them get he
(36:31):
needs to roll in that you and I aren't seen yet,
or we haven't seen much of the effectives other than
some small price increases, but down the supply chain there
are increasing parts of the population who are just dealing
with these just horrific logistical nightmares. This is going to
be We're going to see the acceleration of this with
a deminimous exemption being eliminated, and in the meantime, China
(36:55):
is just basically going to the country that the US
lap fifty percent tariffs on. They're going to Brazil and
attempting to basically supply their entire soybean demanded largely from Brazil,
which is like the other major soybean exporter. So this
is also very important politically because the American farming sector
is very, very powerful. There have been some bailouts already,
(37:18):
but they're not going to be able to sustain the
American farming sector, especially if this goes on for more
than one year. Only there was only one year in
twenty eighteen when they didn't buy and it was at fiasco.
If this goes on for an extended period of time,
it is going to cause significantly larger problems. Also, the
economy was doing a lot better in twenty eighteen than
it is right now. I mean, it's still kind of
a best, but yeah, so this this is going to
(37:40):
turn into an increasing sort of political thorn for Trump
among a bunch of people who are supposed to be
his base because people are very, very frustrated about this,
and it is getting very little press attention. This has
been the American farming tariff update question mark.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
No.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I mean, why would we want to hear about farming
tariff news when instead we can just keep the culture
war machine going to have everyone just gobsmacked over that instead,
Like that's the whole point of their political machine. It's
not that everything is a distraction from something else, right,
It's that if you keep everyone engaged with this with
like culture war nonsense, left wing terrorism, Charlie Kirk whatever,
(38:21):
like all of this stuff, no one's gonna care about
farming tariff news.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Even if you're a big liberal outlet, right, you put
it out there and like half your fucking audience is
going to be like lol, lamal they voted for Trump,
sucks for them, Like yeah yeah.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
And the question effectively is are the people who previously
had been kept in line by woke bathroom anti dei
like trans women in sports stuff going to be able
to be kept in line when the soybeans are running
in the field.
Speaker 5 (38:53):
And we will we will see, we shall see.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah, speaking of some Charlie Kirk culture war, the Department
of Education has partnered with the America First Policy Institute
and Turning Point USA for a new civics program. This
is called the America two fifty Civics Education Coalition. They'll
work with over forty national and state organizations to quote
(39:18):
spearhead nationwide initiatives to engage students, educators, and communities and
conversations about liberty, citizenship, and America's enduring values unquote. Other
organizations a part of this coalition include Prager You, Moms
for Liberty, Alliance, Defending Freedom, Heritage Foundation, and the three
explicitly Christian lobbying Groups. Now all of these groups are
(39:41):
basically Christian lobbying groups, but three with like Christian or
religious names in the title of the organizations now partnering
directly with the state for this educational coalition. Let's play
video from the new website explaining the initiative.
Speaker 8 (40:00):
Education was once a shining light guiding generations built on faith, heritage, patriotism,
but over the past sixty to seventy years that brilliance
has been dimmed. A great institution has been crumbled from.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Within, playing Civil Rights era.
Speaker 8 (40:20):
Hatred for America, false revisionist history, and division from fundamental.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
States.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Oh, that's triggering phrase for me, critical race theory, gender
queer drag queens.
Speaker 8 (40:31):
Now on the two hundred and fiftieth Linda mcmation, the
Department of Education, the America two fifty Civic Education Coalition,
and partners across America are reigniting that light, understanding and
returning education to the States where it belongs.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
For this was bent your white kids.
Speaker 8 (40:51):
That inspired the world, and under the leadership of President
Trump and Secretary McMahon.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, are
you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 4 (41:09):
AI generated lighthouse.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Oh my god, because.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
We are Americans, the futures ares.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
It's one of the craziest things I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
So the framing of the video is that this lighthouse
has gone out and Linda McMahon emerges, polishes and fixes
the lighthouse, which now shines across the nation, igniting our
patriotic education.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
To find a lighthouse in America. So they aied one.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
With audio from w W Secretary Man, it's like the
most hyper reality American brain say that this is this
is like the here's a lead paint thing that we're
talking about, like talking about how a Marian education has
been like totally destroyed, and they're playing footage of like
civil rights era like protests and like leaders.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
You can't parody this, nah no.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
And it's all set to the to the soundtrack and
edited in the manner of like a big budget Hollywood
ayluster from fifteen years ago. Yeah yeah, yeah, which I
guess you know, fucking conservative Christians are always but fifteen
years yeah, and their culture shit like so that scans
but yeah, like it, this is like it sounds like
a fucking uh uh who's the guy who did independence stake?
(42:28):
God damn it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
I don't know shit about popular culture, but yeah, we
should just know that seventy years ago education was segregated
in this country. Oh yeah, that's race they want, which
is ye yes, I just want to I just want
to just sort of drop that nugget.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
And I've listened in person to Charlie Kirk argue that
we should repeal the Civil Rights Act, like that's what
these people want.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Yeah, yeah, I just want to join the dots for
folks who haven't and history as an heerenty revisionist, that's
what we do. We don't just like, go to God.
We've done it all now, we've worked it all out.
No need for any more historians. That's said that, that's
not how history works.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
The chief education officer of Turning Point Education. This is
his real name, doctor hutts H Hertzburg, Triple H said
that quote that.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
Was also wwe character Is it the same guy?
Speaker 2 (43:14):
No, this is a this is a Christian educator. Oh okay,
he says, quote, Turning Point USA is more resolved than
ever to advance God centered, virtuous education for students flourishing
across our nation. With that in mind, we are honored
to partner with the distinguished organizations that comprise the America
two fifty Civics Education Coalition to restore, revive, and reclaim
(43:37):
robust American Civics education for all students throughout our country.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
Unquote.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Earlier today is Wednesday, the state of Oklahoma has announced
that they will be establishing TPUSA chapters in every high
school across the state. Oh great, here's the Superintendent Ryan
Waters of Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
I'm excited to do announce today that every Oklahoma high
school will have a Turning Point USA chapter. We have
seen the outpouring from parents, teachers, and students that want
to be engaged in a meaningful work going on a
Turning Point. They want their young people to be engaged
in a process that understands free speech, open engagement, dialogue
(44:21):
about American greatness, a dialogue around American values. We're so
excited to partner with Turning Point USA with this initiative.
For far too long, we have seen radical leftists with
the teachers' union dominate classrooms and push woken doctrination on
our kids. They fight parents' rights, they push parents out
(44:43):
of the classroom, and they lie to our kids about
American history. What we're going to continue to do is
make sure that our kids understand American greatness, engage in
civic dialogue, and have that open discussion. We will continue
to do all that we can sure OCLUMA students have
the best education plots.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Part of this announcement, he's written on Twitter quote radical
leftist teachers unions have dominated classrooms for far too long,
and we are taking them back. I think, Robert, we
talked with this guy last year.
Speaker 5 (45:14):
At the rn C.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
YEP, Yeah, we should.
Speaker 5 (45:16):
We might do something with that interview.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
At some point I wish he'd got he'd been out
of a job by now, but life life, huh.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
The last thing I want to discuss today is quote
unquote transgender terrorism, something I've seen many friends and posters
across the Internet be really really concerned about for you know,
a lot of good reasons. Ken Kleppenstein has released a
few articles the past few days. First to one from
(45:48):
last week, quote the FBI ready's new war on trans people.
The FBI is preparing to label transgender people as violent
extremists in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder as how
can frame that on the headline and for his tweet
alongside the article. Other outlets like them dot us has
spread this reporting even further Quote FBI to categorize trans
(46:11):
people as nihilistic, violent extremist. Threat Group report says the
Federal Bureau of Investigation is reportedly preparing to categorize transgender
people as violent extremists. This framing is incorrect, and I
will explain why in great detail. Shortly, the Federal Bureau
of Investigation is not getting ready to categorize transgender people
(46:35):
as like a category, as like a class of people,
as violent extremists. There is no evidence that this is
currently what they're doing. There's no internal communications arguing this.
Even the Heritage Foundation's proposal to create a new category
of trans terrorism is not arguing this, as I will
quote from here shortly. But let's get into what the
first article from Clippenstein actually wrote, based on a source
(46:57):
inside the government quote. The senior official explains that they're
there is no process per se for dealing with trans
people as a quote unquote threat group, but feels that
trans individuals will be increasingly targeted under the banner of
violent extremism. Under the plant being discussed, the FBI would
treat transgender subjects as a subset of the bureau's new
threat category, nihilistic violent extremists unquote. We've talked about nihilistic
(47:22):
violent extremists on this show before, back in spring, and
we all know that the Trump administration has been targeting
trans people like this is something that everyone who listens
to this show is aware of. This is this is
a real thing, But there is not actually any new
verifiable information in this report. There's rhetoric from people like
(47:42):
Donald Trump Junior and right wing influencers talking about transgender
terrorists and this trend of transgender terrorists as they have
been for the past two years. Me and Mia did
that piece about fake trans terrorists, like almost two years ago.
That was two years ago to we We've been tracking
this rhetoric for a long time, So stuff like that
fills up a lot of the space in articles like this,
(48:03):
but new verifiable information is actually quite short. In this article,
Ken has a single unnamed official who quote unquote feels
like trans people could be labeled nihilistic violent extremists. Now,
in Ken's previous reporting about this label, he misunderstood the
ENV label. This label exists just essentially for seven to
(48:24):
sixty four. The child this exploitation group that operates from
the discord and Telegram and branch off groups from that.
We've talked about them on the show be here before
as well. And the nihilist of violent extremism term predates
the Trump administration. This isn't a cash betel thing. This
this predates the Trump admin. This was active last year,
and it primarily is to categorize and map these child's
(48:45):
exploitation rings and some overlapping communities like the school shooter fandom.
But in Ken's article here, there's no like leaked documents
in this report showing like current memos or communications on
this topic. Ken's great for leaks, but there's there's not
leaked documents in this report.
Speaker 5 (49:02):
Now.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
As we all know and we've reported, the right wing
hate campaign against trans people is a real thing. It's
coming from the Trump administration, from state level government, as
well as the entire conservative media apparatus. But I think
right now especially, it's really important to read reports like
this very carefully. Trans fear mongering massively boosts social media engagement,
(49:27):
which then can encourage people to use framing like this
that might actually kind of be irresponsible. Now, a few
hours before Pilplstein published this first article, the Heritage Foundation
and their Oversight Project released a petition to have the
FBI designate a new category of violent extremism, which they
call trans ideology inspired violent extremism or TIV.
Speaker 5 (49:51):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
TIV is based on the belief that violence is justified
against those who do not share radical views of transgender ideology.
It has led to an increasing trend of TIV domestic
terrorist events across the country in recent years. TIV has
played a role in the majority of mass shootings at schools,
that is the Heritage Foundation's claim. The petition includes a
(50:14):
list of quote unquote TIV motivated attacks, including multiple attackers
who either were not trans or were clearly not motivated
by trans ideology, as reporting at the time and government
documents have shown, including acts from the past like six
or seven years. But Heritage Rights that quote experts estimate
no citation that fifty percent of non gang related school
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shootings since twenty fifteen have quote involved or likely involve
trans ideology unquote fifty percent.
Speaker 5 (50:47):
Have involved or likely involved.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yet in this list they can only list three school shootings.
They can only list three, even their own list, which
they say fifty percent likely involve trans ideology.
Speaker 5 (51:01):
There's been more than three school shootings this year.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
This month, there's been more three school shootings not involving
trans people this year. This this is a wild, wildly
atrocious is sad?
Speaker 4 (51:11):
Yeah, it's just fabricated right, like.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
And again, like reality doesn't matter, Like that's that's the point, Like.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
No, this is the Heritage Foundation, Like come on, yeah, yeah.
But importantly, like a violent extremism designation would not mean
that all trans people as a class are deemed violent extremists.
What it would do is it would create a category
to use for investigations into violent acts graph patterns of violence,
argue in court documents, and possibly include some preemptive surveillance
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on people or groups that are deemed as threats as
a part of this strut group. But in the petition,
Heritage says that no, not all transgender individuals or their
allies are domestic terrorists.
Speaker 5 (51:55):
Quote. They are even free to engage it in offensive
and hateful speech under the first men, so long as
they do not stray into unlawful incitement, defamation, true threat, obscenity,
or some other category of non protected speech. The domestic
terror destination becomes relevant only when individuals or groups one
are motivated by an ideology that encourages, promotes, or condones violence,
and two take or incite unlawful violent action or threats
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based on that ideology. Both criteria must be met.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Unquote. That's from the Heritage's own petition. It's not There's
nothing in Heritage's own petition or Ken's article that says
that trans people entirely are going to be deemed terrorists
or a domestic like extremist threat group. That's not what
either Heritage or what the actual details of articles like
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Ken's is saying. And to further kind of show this divide.
The Heritage petition also addresses the nihilist violent extremism label
as a completely separate thing, unrelated trans people that they
do not want combined into one single category. I don't
know why Ken keeps pushing on this label so much.
It's really important to understand how trans people are actually
under threat right now, because they are right. The biggest
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threats to transpaople right now are access to healthcare, specifically
for people who are under the age of eighteen, and
things like bathroom bands and trying to restrict transmitter people
from public life. But the other biggest threat to transpeople
right now is like ourselves, and we don't need to
do the government's work for them to keep us so demoralized.
Spreading misinformation or unverified reports like this that just makes
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everyone panicked and freak out actually harms us and our community.
The trans panic industrial complex is dangerous and people need
to be very careful about this because it's an extremely
dangerous time and having an accurate assessment over what's going
on is going to be crucial to survive the next
few months to years.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
No and again, we've seen this on the right and
this has played a role in radicalizing a lot of
people on the right and getting them to do fucked
up shit. Is years of like they're coming for you,
They're coming for you. They're going to be coming for
you tonight, right like you're already dead. You know, there's
money in pushing and there's clout in pushing hopelessness. Yeah,
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And I don't want to be telling people everything's good,
because it's not. That things are very dangerous for trans
people right now in a way they have not been
at any point previously in very recent history. Things are
much worse. Right, nobody's denying that, but you have to
look at like the facts of how they're worse, as
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opposed to not reading an article or analyzing what the
article actually says, or analyzing what the Heritage Foundation says
and saying they've they're declaring all of us terrorists, right,
because that's not going to end.
Speaker 6 (54:46):
Well, No, don't panic, organize. That's the actual solution to this.
I also want to briefly note on I've seen a
lot of comparisons of this to the Black identity extremism designation,
and I want to bring this back to something that
Garrison mentioned earlier about the way that the nihilis extremism
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category was like specifically designed to target like a specific
sort of complex network of.
Speaker 5 (55:13):
Yeah, pedophile discord servers.
Speaker 6 (55:15):
Yeah, this is the same methodology that was used for
black identity extremism. Black identity extremism wasn't a category they
conjured out of nowhere to go after all black people.
It was a category that was specifically designed to go
after specific activists in the wake of Occupy and the
wake of Ferguson. Yeah, and this is completely just not
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the process that is happening for this, right, Like, we're
not dealing with Okay, there is a specific group of
transactivists that the government wants to target, so they're creating
a label for it, right, We don't have any evidence
of that at all. What we have is anonymous sources
saying they feel like something might happen.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
That trans people could be targeted, And you're like, yeah,
trans people have been targeted, like that, that's what's happening. Yeah,
Are they going to be labeled denialist of violand streamists
at this point?
Speaker 5 (56:06):
Unlikely?
Speaker 2 (56:07):
Could the FBI consider adopting something like the Heritage proposal
for FORTIV, Yeah, possibly, Yeah, that is that is absolutely
a possibility. Would that come into reality the same way
that people are talking about it online or the way
that headlines are framing it. No, it's not about designating
all trans people as terrorists as a class.
Speaker 6 (56:27):
It's not about that. And it also wouldn't function like
the black identity extreamist thing, because again, that was like
they already had people they were going after and they
wanted a legal category that they could deploy in order
to go after them. That's not what's happening here. They
don't have like a list of like trans discord servers
that they're about to round up for like doing a protest, Like,
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that's not what's happening here.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
No, But they could go after people who are make
threats online, and that's something that I'm sure Cashtel's fbiyah
would love to do. And if they can sort those
people into a category like tive to argue in a
prosecution or to or to make like a float chart
to direct investigations, then that's the realm they're gonna use.
Speaker 6 (57:10):
Yeah, but even that, we are so far away from
them even like starting that process that you should be
concerned about the actual threats from Like I don't know
I mean just like literally there's there's been a series
of attacks on trans people, just like in neighborhoods in
Seattle by just like gangs of dudes. Right, That's like
an actual substantive thing that is happening that is not this,
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that is not some sort of nebulous like we are
relying on opinions of unnamed officials. We can look at
and evaluate and figure out what we're going to do
about it instead of just giving into the panic industrial
complex and panicking about it.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
Yeah, things that are frame bombastically like this go super
viral and they spread a lot, and that's what the
algorithms are encouraging. I mean, same thing with the algorithmic
boosting of you know, false flight conspiracy theories, because those
are so much more satis find they spread like wildfire
across blue sky and Twitter and like even things like
Instagram stories. And just be very careful about anything that
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goes viral because that claim is trying to influence your brain.
It's trying to worm its way into your brain to
take the form as a thought that you had yourself.
And be super careful because this type of weaponize on
reality has been used so successfully the past ten years
against the right. This is how the whole like you know,
migrant panic wave started lies about immigration.
Speaker 5 (58:30):
This like panicked framing.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
These things spread like wildfire online and now you have
large swaths of the country believing in this genuine like
like you know, migrant crisis. And this is how social
media functions to influence how your brain thinks and how
your brain process is fact from fiction and forms like
a collective sense of reality. And you are also being
targeted by this same process in different ways than the
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right is, but this process is still targeting you as well.
And it's like super important to like read things critically
and take time before jumping to conclusions because I don't
think we need more quick, emotionally satisfying conspiracy theories in
our life.
Speaker 1 (59:09):
Yeah. Anyway, that's the news this week.
Speaker 5 (59:13):
We sure did report it.
Speaker 1 (59:14):
Yeah, the news this week.
Speaker 4 (59:16):
We reported the head out of media go away. We
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