October 10, 2025 • 62 mins
The gang discuss out of state National Guard deployment to Oregon and Illinois, ICE shooting a woman in Chicago, and updates on immigration and tariffs.
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https://katu.com/news/local/court-docs-woman-charged-in-ice-protest-chased-nick-sortor-while-wearing-bird-outfit
https://www.opb.org/article/2025/10/03/trump-portland-oregon-ice-immigration-police-protest/
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Speaker 5 (01:59):
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Speaker 3 (02:01):
Right now, Let's start because there's a lot of news
this week by talking about, frankly, the most important news
story in the whole nation right now. On Thursday, October second,
right wing influencer Nick Sorder along with two other people.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's stupid. Oh, it's really stupid.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Along with two of the people, were arrested by the
Portland Police Bureau in connection with a fight outside of
the Ice Building during a protest. Sorder was provoking reactions
from protesters when he was then chased down the street
by a woman in a bird cost bird costume quote
swinging a large stick covered with.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Feathers rested by Big Bird.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
According to court documents, the three people were arrested at
all charged with disorderly conduct, though sords charges have since
been dropped. Sordiers arrest ignited a right wing firestorm the
likes of which I have not seen since Early Kirk
was assassinated.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I'm glad people are finally waking up to the ANTIFA
police department that rules Portland with an iron fist.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
For a long time.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Tim Poole posted on x the Everything app. I'm calling
on the Trump administration to launch a legal challenge against
Oregon following the arrest of Nick Sorter and if necessary,
deployed National Guard Organs failed to uphold federal and state
law and we should not tolerate it.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Oh and like Yeah, there was like a fight and
they detained people, and then the DA didn't press charges
against Sorter, and it's it's just it couldn't be more
of a nothing burger as an actual story.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
Nothing than burger.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah, but oh boy, but not according to the AG's office,
who quickly responded on it to Tim Poole's request, and
by Friday morning, the White House, the Attorney General, and
the Justice Department announced a quote unquote full investigation into
the arrest and the conduct of the Portland Police Bureau. Finally,
(04:02):
conservative influencer Benny Johnson, who's been embedded with ICE this
past week, posted on x Everything app quote important news.
I spoke with DHS Secretary Christinome. She's been briefed on
the attack and arrest of journalists and Nick Sorder. Secretary
Nome tells me DHS will surge ICE resources in Portland.
Quote Antifa is a terrorist group and will not control
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our streets unquote. Thank you, Secretary Nome. Benny Johnson later
shared video captioned breaking. DHS Secretary Christinome has announced that
the Department of War will deploy to Portland and Chicago
within twenty four hours to crush left wing violence unquote.
And here is the video with Christinome talking about the
(04:43):
quote unquote Antifa affiliated anti ICE protests.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
Well, you've got a presence in Portland as that is
Antifa affiliated, and so that is a situation where you
have known professionals targeted violence that want to tear down
America and while will apparently attack anyone, even journalists, they're
just trying to report the truth of what's happening.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
On the streets.
Speaker 7 (05:04):
So we're not just going to be rolling out of
Chicago here, but we're sending in the Department of War
at the request that I made to Secretary Headset, they're
going to be rolling in here within the next twenty
four hours. They'll be coming to Chicago to I put
a request in today for them to come to Chicago,
and we're going to not only have our officers that
are out there with HSI and space, but we're also
(05:26):
going to have backup from our military, because everybody deserves that.
And so what we saw happened to that journalist last
night will not happen again.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Okay, Yeah, Benny Johnson showing a very professional journalism there
by just saying wow a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
It's a pretty wild scene. Having like troops walk behind
Christy nome as this podcast or Grills Grills are on
sending the military to cities in front of a back cat.
The reactions from the right after Nick Sorterer's arrest we're
pretty wild, with journalists going on Fox News claiming that
(06:03):
the Portland Police are affiliated with Antifa, and popular right
wing influencers on X like amuse saying, quote, the Portland
Police are now colluding with Antifa to prosecute federal officers
protecting the ICE facility.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
When has that happened.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Each time federal officers engage with Antifa, Portland Police liaisons
clutch statements and videos from Antifa to facilitate state criminal
charges against DHS. So somehow, in the year of Our
Lord twenty twenty five, the Portland Police Bureau is now Antifa,
which is a truly miraculous state of affairs. After his
release Friday morning, next Order posted on X quote, You've
(06:45):
proved what we've all been saying for years. You're corrupt
and controlled by violent Antifa thugs who terrorize the streets.
Referring to the Portland Police. I have been in direct
contact with top officials at DHS. What's coming in Portland
is unprecedented thanks to Portland police exposing themselves by arresting journalists.
Great work, Portland, unquote. A day later, on October fourth,
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a Trump appointed federal judge granted the state of Oregon
and the City of Portland a temporary restraining order blocking
trumpenheag'sas federalization and deployment of two hundred organ National Guard
against the wishes of Oregon Governor Tina Kotec. The judge
found that existing local and federal law enforcement were sufficient
to police protests, that the Trump admin had mischaracterized the
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reality of the current protests outside of the ice facility,
and that violence against ICE in other parts of the
country is not sufficient justification for a local military deployment.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
It's worth noting this judge, Judge Immergant, number one, not
a woke judge, was literally, if you go back and
you watch the Monica Lewinsky hearings or the I mean,
this is the Clinton sex scandal hearings, but this is
the part of it in which Lewinsky was being grilled.
Immigrant was the female lawyer that they brought out to
be incredibly cruel to Monica Lewinsky Because it wouldn't look
(08:05):
as often putting and wound up.
Speaker 8 (08:07):
She wound up.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Part of why Monica Lewinsky became so is she immigrant
looked fucking nuts and immigrant is the person who is
looking at it, who is going through all of the
claims made by the administration and going there's literally not
only is there no justification for the deployment of troops
in Portland, but everyone calling the shots at FPS and
Ice is like, everything's under control, we have no need
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for additional people. Yeah, there's no real danger here. Like,
this is not a leftist judge. This is not a
judge with a political act to grind. This is a judge.
But thirty years ago you would have called a far
right extremist.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I will quote a little bit from her ruling here.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
To accept the defendant's arguments, that's the federal's government would
be to render meaningless the extraordinary requirements of ten USC
one two four six by allowing the presidents to federalize
one states National Guard based on the events in a
different state or mere speculation about future events. In other words,
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violence elsewhere cannot support troop deployments here, and concern about
hypothetical future conduct does not demonstrate a present inability to
execute the laws using non military federal law enforcement quote.
On the Trump Admin's argument that the presidents authorized to
federalize state National Guard in the case of rebellion or invasion,
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the judge concluded that the legal definition of rebellion requires quote. First,
a rebellion must not only be violent, but also armed. Second,
a rebellion must be organized. Third, a rebellion must be
open and avowed. Fourth, rebellion must be against the government
as a whole, often with the aim of overthrowing the government,
rather than in opposition to a single law or issue. Here,
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the protests in Portland were not a rebellion and did
not pose a danger of rebellion, especially in the days
leading up to the federalization. The judge found that the
president's federalization of the organ National Guard without proper statutory
authority under ten USC. One two four h six, exceeded
the president's constitutional authority, undermined organs sovereignty, and violated the
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Tenth Amendment by infringing on organ's constitutional power to control
its own national guard, writing that the Trump admin Quote
interfered with the constitutional balance of power between the federal
and state governments.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
Unquote Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Is that the one where she she said their argument
was untethered from the facts. Yeah, Yeah, I think that
was a pretty good, uh good summary of what's going
on here.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Later that day, Stephen Miller went on News Nation to
talk about the quote unquote insurrectionists interesting word in Portland
and the new National Security Presidential memorandum to investigate dismantle
so called left wing terrorist networks.
Speaker 9 (10:51):
We're the federal government. We are not going to tolerate
a lawless insurrection. We're not going to tolerate domestic terrorism.
And we are going after the Antifa rioters, thests, the
violent assaulters, and we are not only going after them,
we are going after their network. We are going after
their funders. Every time we make an arrest, we are
initiating an investigation into the.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Entire domestic terrorist network.
Speaker 9 (11:13):
The President issued a National Security Presidential Memorandum in NSPN
making clear that it is the national security priority of
United States law enforcement to dismantle, disrupt, defeat, and destroy
these domestic terror networks. And that is exactly what is
taking place. It is what we are doing, it is
what will happen.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
His use of the word insurrection, there is important. A
day later, President Trump also used the term insurrectionists to
describe protests in Portland and complained about the federal judge
who blocked the deployment of National Guard, saying, quote, Portland
is burning to the ground. You have agitators, insurrectionists. All
you gotta do is look at the television. It's burning
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to the ground. The governor, the mayor, the politicians are
petrified for their lives. That judge ought to be a shamed.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
And again, nothing's been burnt down. Nothing was burnt down
in twenty twenty. Most of the big nights that I
slately have been maybe two hundred people. You know, you've
had some more on a few occasions, but like it's
usually a lot less. It's probably just unnecessary for me
to correct all this, but I guess I can't fight
the urge to be like, none of this is accurate
to what's happening.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, yeah, the simulation is more important than the reality.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Miller's done this before, right, Like he kind of likes
to use these words that exist in legislation and sort
of in point to the direction he wants things to go.
I guess, yeah, like he did this by calling anti
for an enterprise. We sort as to an extent with
Title forty two and his reference to migrants to the
public health threat. This is kind of a trademark move
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for him.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Almost now, hours after the federal judge blocked the federalization
of Oregon National Guard, Secretary of War Pete Hegseth ordered
three hundred California National Guard to be deployed to Portland.
In the next day, he Texas Governor Greg Abbott authorized
four hundred Texas National Guard to be sent to Orgon
and Illinois in coordination with the Department of War. On
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Sunday night, the federal judge that previously blocked the organ
National Guard federalization made another ruling blocking the deployment of
troops from California and Texas, finding that it was quote,
in direct contravention of her earlier tro This secondary toro
halted any federalization relocation or deployment of any Guard members
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to organ from any state. The Trump administration has appealed
these rulings and oral arguments will be heard on Thursday,
October ninth in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Stephen
Miller called this ruling quote one of the most egregious
and thunderous violations of constitutional order we have ever seen,
and is yet the latest example of unceasing efforts to
(13:51):
nullify the twenty twenty fourth election by FIAT unquote. By Monday,
Miller told reporters, without going to specifics, that the present
quote has a very broad range and set of authorities
when it comes to deploying federal assets.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
That same day, Monday, Trump discussed the possibility of invoking
the Insurrection Act in a White House press conference.
Speaker 10 (14:16):
The Insurrection Act, Sir, what the Insurrection Act? Under what
conditions or terms would you?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Well?
Speaker 11 (14:21):
I do it if it was necessary. So far it
hasn't been necessary. But we have an Insurrection Act for
a reason. If I had to enacted, I'd do that.
If people were being killed and courts were holding us up,
or governors or mayors were holding us up, Sure I
do that. I mean, I want to make sure that
people aren't killed. We have to make sure that our
cities are safe. And it's turning out, and we started
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with DC it's been so successful. You look at what's
happened with Portland over the years. It's a burning hell hall.
And then you have a judge that lost a way
that tries to protec and that like there's no problem. Actually,
she's not even saying that there's a huge problem. Important.
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I'll tell you what the problem is.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Crime.
Speaker 11 (15:08):
Okay, crime. There's a huge problem in Chicago. It's called crime.
And we want to put out the crime, and they
want to inflame the crime.
Speaker 10 (15:17):
Oo booy.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Sure, that's the clearest statement we've gotten from the President
on the conditions in which he would invoke the Insurrection Act.
I think specifically pointing towards governors, mayors, or courts that
prevent ice from completing immigration actions in those cities and counties.
Speaker 10 (15:37):
Yeah, and that's the thing that we've gotten from him.
That's the most specific indication of things that are happening
right now that could cause him to do it. We
still don't have a direct I'm going to do it,
but I think it's pretty clear from this that he
wants to these people in the circles I'm talking about,
wanting to do it for a long time, and I
think this is in some ways the closest we've gotten
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to it.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah, and that's why you have tole like Miller and
Trump himself using the word insurrection when describing what's happening
to establish a pretext to actually follow through on that
and declare the Insurrection Act when it suits them.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Yeah, I think it's worth noting mellas doing. Miller is
often the originator of many of these kind of legal theories.
This one has made its way to Trump.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I'm going to declare an ad break, and then we
will return to finish our reporting on war ravaged Portland. Okay,
we are back. DHS Secretary Christy Nome has made some
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pretty fantastic claims about the nature of these protests and
the threats facing ICE agents, both in Chicago and Portland,
and I'm just gonna play her clip from Fox News
here talking about the threats to ICE.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Our intelligence indicates that these people are organized, They're getting
more and more people on their team as far as
attacking officers, and they're making plans to ambush them and
to kill them. We have specific officers and agents that
have bounties that have been put out on their heads.
It's been two thousand dollars to kidnap them, ten thousand
dollars to kill them. They've released their pictures, they've sent
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them between their networks, and it's an extremely dangerous situation
and unprecedented. So we've put protective detail around those individuals,
change some of our operations to keep our officers safe.
But make no mistake, this isn't just about protesting free
speech or that they don't like that people out here
are upholding the law of our country. They're actually going
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out there and saying, kill these people, and we'll give
you this much money to do it.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
It's quite a specific claim, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
What she's doing there is conflating alleged cartel bounties on
ICE agents with protests happening out the site of ICE facilities,
making it sound like the protesters are putting ten thousand
dollars kill bounties on ICE officers.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Man, let me tell you, nobody who's out at ICE
right now has collectively ten grand to put towards a bounty.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Yeah, what are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
On Tuesday, October seventh, Christinom arrived in Portland, Oregon, along
with her conservative podcaster sidekick Benny Johnson, who has been
live streaming ICE operations in Chicago with NOME. Benny posted
on x everything app breaking DH Secretary Christinomes stares down
army of Antifa and a guy in a chicken suit
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from the rooftop of the ice facility here in Portland.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Finally someone took that chicken guy down to size.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I want to play the video that I think one
of us should like set this stage for what we're seeing.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Sector.
Speaker 10 (18:56):
Do you have a message to the protesters, especially the
man in the chicken outfit?
Speaker 12 (19:00):
Man on the chicken out but I just see him,
no goodness, you could do better. Our goal is that
people would peacefully protest, but that we would still be.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
Allowed to enforce the law in this country. Too bad
the uneducated and niliform.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
If you look at this protest, there's about what twenty
people on the street corner adjacent to the ice facility,
nearly as many journalists and photographers as there are protesters.
And this is what Bennie Johnson is describing as an
army of Antifa, is these twenty people holding signs across
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from like a police line on the edge of the
ice facility. At a later point, Benny zooms into another
street corner which similarly has about a dozen people over
a one block away from the ice facility. This is
the army of Antifa that Bennie Johnson is referring to
as he, along with Nick Sorder stand with on the
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roof of the ice facility surveying the area, which is
just a fantastical sequence of events. We time traveled and
told me that five years ago that Christy Nome and
Betty Johnson are going to be on the roof of
the ice facility calling a man in a chicken outfit
an army of Antifa. I guess I could believe you,
but it would still I guess it would still be
upsetting it.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't like, I wouldn't
like argue with you. I'd be like, yeah, I mean
that sounds like a natural extension of where things are
at this point in time.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
On Tuesday night, Nome went on Fox News to talk
about a meeting she had with local law enforcement and
the mayor where she threatened to send four times as
many federal forces into Portland, Oregon.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Sure man, I.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Told them what we wanted. We wanted more security here
at the building, a bigger buffer zone to keep our
officers safe. We wanted to have their streets opened up
again and not let the anarchists run this city anymore.
That we would ask them to continue to back us
up like we've been asked looking for, instead of what
they've been doing the last several months, which is just
leaving our officers hang out to dry. The chief asked
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if I wanted to meet with the mayor, and I
said absolutely, came back and just met with a mayor,
and I'm so extremely disappointed he's continuing to play politics.
Did not commit to any of those promises and said
that he'd give me an answer by tomorrow, and I'm
hopeful that he will. What I told him is that
if he did not follow through on some of these
security measures for our officers, we were going to cover
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him up with more federal resources, and that we were
going to send four times the amount of federal officers
here so that the people of Portland could have some safety.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Again, almost no one's even there. I can't exaggerate the
degree to which this is not a major factor in
ninety nine percent of people's day to day because number one,
where the ice facility is, is cordoned off from the
rest of the city like.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Pretty isolated chunk.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
It's isolated, you might say. And number two, just like
most people that I know who were out in twenty
twenty don't really have a clear idea of what they
should be doing right now or what the most useful
thing to do is right now, and have spent a
lot of time in front of federal riot lines and
aren't right now, And like it's this complete disconnect between
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what's actually going on in the city and like what's
what's being reported, which doesn't matter really, like it doesn't
impact anything. That everything they're saying is a lie, yeah,
because their people believe it. It's just kind of frustrating now.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
And this information is all into tro document that blocked
the deployment of National Guard quote. Plaintiffs provided all of
the PPB call logs in the month of September, which
showed that Portland Place Bureau worked in close coordination with
Federal Protective Service supervisors and regularly checked the status of
the ice facility as detailed above. They also showed that
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protest activity in September generally did not involve violence against
federal property or personnel.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Unquote.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Espureau have been working in coordination to manage the protests
outside the ICE building. They've not abandoned ice officers. That's
not actually what's happening. A federal judge is deemed that
local law enforcement are more than sufficient to handle the
protests outside of the ICE facility. The Trump government just
really wants to send the military into cities, as they've
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already done with DC, as they were wanting to do
with Memphis, Chicago, Portland eventually like New Orleans. This is
just something that they really want to do. On Tuesday,
October seventh, Texas National Guard arrived in Illinois and are
currently stationed at an Army reserve center in a suburb
south of Chicago. Sunday night, Governor Pritzker made a statement reading, quote,
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this evening, President Trump is ordering four hundred members of
the Texas National Guard for deployments to Illinois, Oregon, and
other locations within the United States. We must now start
calling this what it is, Trump's invasion. It started with
federal agents, will soon include deploying federalized members of the
Illinois National Guard against our wishes, and it will now
involve sending in another state's military troops. There is no
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reason a president should send military troops into a sovereign
state without their knowledge, consent, or cooperation.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Unquote.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
The state of Illinois announced that they would be seeking
their own tro against Trump's military deployment. The Illinois Attorney
General said in a statement, quote, the American people, regardless
of where they reside, should not live under the threat
of occupation by the United States military, particularly for the
reason that their city or state leadership has fallen out
of a president's favor. And on Monday, Chicago Mayra Brandon
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Johnson signed an executive order establishing city property and unwilling
private businesses as ice free zones and discuss the deployment
of troops from out of state by warning quote, the
right wing in this country wants a rematch of the
Civil War unquote.
Speaker 10 (24:49):
Yeah, and so we have a kind of breaking news update,
which is so this is being recorded on Wednesday, October eighth.
It's possible this will again change by the time this
comes out. The most recent information we have is and
this is supported by CBS per a statement from US
Northern Command, which is part of the Defense Department's War Department.
But yes, they're sitting five hundred troops. I'm just going
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to read the direct quote Illinois, approximately two hundred soldiers
from various units of the Texas National Guard and approximately
three hundred soldiers from various units of the Illinois National
Guard were activated into a Title ten status and have
arrived in the Greater Chicago area. The National Guard, remobilized
for an initial period of sixty days, will be under
the command and control of the Commander of US Northern Command.
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So that's where we are right now.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah, there is out of state guard deployed into Illinois.
They are in this borders of the state right now.
When Haiggs has tried to deployed California National Guard to Oregon,
it's unclear how many of them actually arrived in Oregon,
but we do have confirmation and photos of Texas Guard
in the borders of Illinois.
Speaker 8 (25:55):
YEP.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
This morning, Donald Trump truthed on truth Social that quote,
Chicago mayor should be in jail for failing to protect
ice officers. Governor Pritzker also unquote. Is that the President
of the United States calling for the jailing of a
mayor and governor.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, he's also more recently calling for the jailing of
everyone who burns American flags and an anim of a
year in prison. Again, the legality here is deeply unclear.
There's not a legal underpinning for that, other than he's
instructed the DOJ to start going after those folks.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
But yeah, this is just words that he's saying.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
But I think the words that he's saying are sometimes
not always, but sometimes important.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (26:36):
Yeah, So I want to turn from here to the
other occupation of Chicago, the one that has been doing
significant damage already in the city as we have been covering,
which is the ICE and Border Patrol deployment in Chicago.
There's been more escalations that we are going to spend
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a small amount of time talking about. ICE has begun
detaining unhoused people. We have reports of eleven total people
they've detained so far. Most of them have been released.
But the most prominent, and this is something that Brandon
Johnson specifically mentioned in his speech, was for people who
were taken in Chicago neighborhood called Broadview, who were outside
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a shelter. According to Chicago reader, we don't know where
they are Jesus as if when say they're just gone,
no one, no one has been able to trace them down.
Speaker 11 (27:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (27:28):
This and this seems to be part of a broader
trend of ICE agents taking action against people who I
mean appeared to be US citizens. We saw this a
couple like last week with and This is another thing
that Brandon Johnson specifically mentioned with him with ICE agents
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just choking a black man out on the street. The
major story is that there has been a second shooting
by ICE in Chicago on What we know for sure
about this shooting is that on Saturday morning, an ICE
agent shot a woman named Merrimar Martinez, who appeared to
have been part of a group that was following ICE
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vehicles around the city. Martinez was shot and drove herself
to a nearby auto repair shop, where medics and police
showed up. I'm going to read the Sun Times' account
from the shop managers who they spoke to of what
happened when she got to the body shop. Quote. The
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shop manager spoke with a nine to one one operator
and said, send somebody quickly because this lady is bleeding profusely.
I mean it was instant puddles. Police and paramedic showed
up a few minutes later, he said. As paramedics place
a turnquit on Martinez's leg and arm, a bullet fell
out of her arm and onto the shop floor. The
manager said, Martinez thankfully does not seem to have been
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really really severely injured. She is like she is insable
medical condition. NOWDHS put out a press release almost immediately
claiming that their agents who were quote ambushed by domestic
terrorists that rammed federal agents with their vehicles and that
quote Nortinez, woman they shot was quote aren't with a
semiongmatic weapon and has a history of docsing federal agents. Now,
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it is worth noting that best practice when looking at
Department of Homeland Security statements, especially under the Trump administration,
is to simply assume that they are not telling the
truth until any details they have mentioned are corroborated. What
the exact situation was before the shooting is very unclear.
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Both Department of Homeland Security and federal prosecutors have claimed
that a group of cars basically boxed in an ice vehicle,
and their repeated claims that they were ramming the ice
vehicle and then that's why the ICE agent opened fire.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
That's the DHS's claims.
Speaker 10 (29:52):
Yeah, yeah, this is the DHS's claims, and these are
the claims that are made in court documents. I want
to read from the Sun Times also Martinez's lawyer's description
of what's going on, because it is significantly different from
the government's account and Also, it's also worth mentioning that
there's already been some deviation between the court documents and
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the DHS statement. For example, the court the DHS statement
mentions a semi automatic weapon, and there's just simply no
mention of that in like in any of the sort
of charging documents. The deadly weapon that she's being accused
of doing an assault with, which is what she's been
charged with, is the car. Yeah, so here's here's from
the Sun Times. So Parenti, who is her attorney. Parenti
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also offered to play an agent's body cam video that
shows the shooting, noting prosecutors did not show the video
that he claims disputes the government's version of the shooting.
Parenti said the video shows an agent turning a federal
vehicle left into Martinez's vehicle, after which the agent says, quote,
do something, bitch. The agent then exits the vehicle and
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shoots Martinez. The t Ernie said Martinez had quote seven
holes in her from the shooting, and that agents were
in such a hurry to take her into custody at
the hospital that they had to return later when Martinez
began bleeding from her wounds.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (31:13):
Yeah, so this is a significantly different portrayal of the shooting.
We do not have access to this bodycam footage yet
it has not been released to the public. There is
a video that we do have that does not show
the shooting, that shows some of the stuff leading up
to the shooting, from that sort of audio repair shop
that she went to. It is still very unclear what
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exactly happened here other than the fact that I shot
this woman. That's the only thing that we one percent know.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
She does have a concealed carry license and had a
handgun in the car with her. Yeah, the lawyers have
claimed she never brandished the weapon and it was in
the passenger seat.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
And there's no evidence that she did brandage the one.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Nor is Ice even claiming that like Ice. Ice isn't
even claiming that she brandished weapon. Ice isn't claiming that
she fired a weapon.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Now, the Ice specific claim is that when she was
arrested later, she had the weapon on her, which could
refer to the vehicle or whatever.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (32:11):
Well, and I will say so. The initial Department of
Homeland Security press statement said that she was armed with
correct Semiana had weapon. I think a lot of people
took that to mean, you know, because DHS was implying
stuff by saying that she was armed with even though
she was not.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yeah, they're inhabiting the ambiguity of the right.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Like yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
They also said that they fired defensively, which makes you
infer that this person may have fired at Ice. Yeah,
even though DTS has never actually claimed that. They are
trying to selectively use words to make people infer things
that they're not even actually explicitly claiming.
Speaker 8 (32:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (32:46):
Yeah, And we're going to have to get more details
and we're going to have to wait to see exactly
what happened. But what the evidence supports right now is
that ICE shot someone who was doing rapid response work
and it is frankly a miracle that she wasn't severely
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injured or killed. And this is again the second time
they have done this since ICE's deployment in the city.
The first time they did just straight up kill a man.
So we'll be following the story as as it develops,
and we'll be following the continued actions of ICE in
Chicago and other places. Yeah, and we will continue to
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talk about stuff after these ads.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
All right, and we are back.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
MEA was talking about rapid responders there, and I want
to talk a little bit about one of the tools
that they were using, which was called People over Papers.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
There are many of these apps that have sprung up.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
The January of this year rate since we saw much
more visible immigration enforcement on the streets. Padlet, which was
the I guess bulletin board type service that was People
over Papers relied on, has removed People over Papers rights
say it violated their terms of service. The removal comes
just a few days after a Laura Luma tweet which
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tag the CEO claimed that People over Papers was violating
the terms of service by quote harassment, stalking, privacy violations,
inciting violence, and other unlawful activity. Luma there is noting
things in the terms of service she perceives people to
be doing with People over Papers, right y. This has
happened after another of these apps, ice Block, was removed
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from app stores last week, also involved some Luma posting. Notably,
Tricia McLachlin, the DHS Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs, has
claimed and this is in contravention of what's widely held
to be caught precedent the Lord. She has claimed that
videotaping ice agents is doxing them, and separately, Christie nom
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has claimed that doxing is an act of violence. We
can join the two dots there. Videotaping ice agents is
an act of violence to what's being suggested here. We
can see the consequences of this argument in the deportation
of Atlanta Area report on Mario. Mario was held for
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more than one hundred days in detention. He was arrested
a No King's Day protest if you can remember, back
back when people were doing those things, but the charges
against him were dropped. However, since then the government has
argued that his filming of law enforcement constitutes a threat
to public safety. Mara has now been deported back to
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El Salvador. He's an Atlanta Area reporter and like I
guess two editorialize, it would be really nice to see
a fraction of the advocacy we saw for Jimmy Kimmel
as someone who's actually doing reporting right, not just trying
to be funny.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
He's not as big as Jimmy Kimmel. There's never as
any followers.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Yeah, yeah, but he's also been sent to El Salvador,
whereas Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Was sent back to his mansion in Hollywood.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Eggs.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Yeah, exactly, for like less than a week. So I'm
going to link in the show notes both to an
avacy campaign and the freem of the Press Foundation piece
about Mario, and you guys can check that out if
you'd like to.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Second character for this week is Tom Hohman.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
You guys will remember Tom Horman Bordizar, a guy who famously,
well relatively recently, has become famous for scenically accepting a
bag with fifty thousand dollars of cash in it in
an FBI sting operation. Let's play this clip of Pam Bondy,
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who is answering questions in front of Congress here about
what happened to the literal bag of cash?
Speaker 8 (37:01):
What became of the fifty thousand dollars in cash that
the FBI paid to mister Homan in a paper bag?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Evidently, oh my god, Tom and Jerry asked shit.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
She's looking through her notes right now. She's selected the
page Senator.
Speaker 13 (37:27):
As Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche recently stated the investigation
of mister Homan was subjected to a full review by
the FBI agents and DOJ prosecutors. They found no credible
evidence of any wrongdoing.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
And that was not my question. My question was what
became of the fifty thousand dollars in cash that the
FBI delivered evidently in a paper bag to mister Homan.
Speaker 13 (37:54):
Senator, I look at your facts.
Speaker 8 (38:01):
Are you saying that they did not deliver fifty thousand
dollars in cash to mister home snitor?
Speaker 13 (38:04):
As recently stated, the investigation and mister Homan was subjected.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
To a full re question by FBI.
Speaker 13 (38:11):
Agents, that's by Department of Justice prosecutors. They found no
evidence of wrongdoing.
Speaker 8 (38:19):
That's a different question. What became of the fifty thousand dollars?
Did the FBI get it back?
Speaker 13 (38:26):
Mister white House? Excuse me, Senator white House. You're welcome
to talk to.
Speaker 8 (38:29):
The FBI the report to you. Can't you answer this question?
Speaker 6 (38:34):
First of all, this guy's name is mister white House.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Yeah, Na, Senator white House, Charrison. That surely is a
little confuser, maybe against some emails for the wrong person.
Sheldon white House apparentes.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Theoretically, if he got a job for the administration, his
email will be white House at white House dot gov.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Yes, that's cool.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Yeah, Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that's happen given the
line of questioning that he pursued here. But yeah, you
can hear Retchie. She seems to be unwilling to answer
where the paper bag of cash money, yeah, has gone.
Incredible stuff, beca it's easier to lose that than you'd
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think you. One would assume that the FBI would have
some kind of tracking capability when giving someone fifty thousand
dollars in a paper bag, But here we are.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Maybe it's a no country for all mint kind of situation.
Whoever found it was smart enough to dumb transponder first.
We will probably never know if they're smart. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Well, building on that, what Pro Publicer is now reporting
is that Homan went into business with a Pennsylvania consultant
named Child Soul, and that Soul has been offering consoles
on how to obtain contracts a Department of Homeland Security.
So Homan consulted for Soul's firm during the Biden administration,
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and during that same period, So became the chair of
Homan's Border nine one one foundation. According to their reporting,
Pro Publica has called into question the extent to which
Homan has actually recused himself from contracts, saying that he
participated in meetings with executives about government contracting plans. So
normally a government official would be bound to steer clear
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of their former business associates for at least a year
when they enter office. Right, I can't consult for Garrison Inc.
And then become procurement for DHS and immediately buy one
thousand of whatever Garrison Inc.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
Is selling?
Speaker 6 (40:35):
You can?
Speaker 4 (40:35):
You can tag Garrison on a blue sky where they
will read what you think they're selling.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
If this will result in me getting fifty thousand dollars
in a paper bag, then you know, maybe.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Yeah, in this instance, I would be the one getting
the fifty thousand dollars from Garrison Inc. In return for
buying whatever it is that you are selling orbs.
Speaker 6 (40:54):
Maybe yeah, that's not a great deal.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
Yeah, yeah, I did.
Speaker 11 (40:57):
Well.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Seems like it was a great deal in this instance
for a Tom Holman.
Speaker 12 (41:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Well.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Their reporting suggests that Horman went from a relatively modest
income in twenty seventeen to being a multimillionaire by the
time he filed his twenty twenty five disclosed your documents.
When you assume federal office that you have to file
these disclosure documents, disclose your assets. I guess the famous
one is Jimmy Carter's peanut farm. But it seems that
during that time his personal network increased significantly. Right, he
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did a lot of consulting. He became like a talking
head on Fox News in the Biden administration. It's difficult
to summarize the intricacies of history. I encourage you to
read it. For instance, of the third person called Mark Hall,
who appears to be doing some work on behalf of Homan,
but also retaining relationship with Soul's clients, it looks a
lot like what's happening is that the people who Homan
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had been doing consulting with and now trying to make
money saying that they have act special access to DHF
based off that consulting. This kind of builds on some
of the stuff that we'd already seen and spoken about
last week. Right finally, on the immigration beat, I want
to talk about a case where the petitioner's attorney has
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stated that the petitioner I'm not going to name the person,
I don't think it's necessary, was taken to hospital by
CBP after they severely injured his leg on a raid
in a car wash in Carson, California. He was booked
into the hospital under a pseudonym and kept there under
armed guard from August to twenty seventh until October fourth.
Speaker 10 (42:31):
Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Yeah, so this person, they weren't coming up in the
detainee locator, right. They hadn't apparently been allocated in a number,
which is what you would normally used to look someone
up on the ICE detainee locator. And I guess the
argument there was that they weren't booked in until they
left the hospital. So this person basically disappeared for more
than a month. Yeah, the judges granted that petitioner an
attentive restraining order in that instance, right, But I think
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this I have been receiving a lot of mess about
a Chicago older person who was detained by ICE at
a hospital, and I have seen a number of reports
that suggest that that's because Ice were detaining people in
the hospital. To my knowledge, the only person they detained
in the hospital was the older person. They were not
detaining patients at the hospital. They were there because they
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had bought somebody to the hospital in order for that
person to be a patient. Because that person was in
their detention in their care and needed medical assistance. I
have seen outlets I don't should I name them, like
Democracy Now got this wrong and so that they were
arresting people. So like Democracy Now is one example, right,
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I have seen outlets reporting this as ICE were in
the hospital detaining people. Nothing I have seen leads me
to believe that, and lots of things I have seen
leave me not to believe that. It doesn't mean it's
great for the people who are bought into hospital by ICE,
and sure it fucking sucks. I'm sure it has a
chilling effect on other people going to hospital to know
that they are there.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
But so does.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Reporting that suggests that you can be picked up in
hospital if you're an impatient or if you're in the
emergency room. That stops people accessing medical care, that actively
puts people in danger. We need to be really, really
fucking careful when sharing this shit. That includes people who
are journalists or claiming to be journalists.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
People are so upset, rightly so with what ICE is
doing that there can be this attitude and I've encountered
before of like, well, by undercautioning people, that's the biggest risk,
And it's like not when we're talking about whether or
not people go to the hospital for life saving care.
I'm sorry, it's just not like these are not equivalent risks.
More people are going to be in a position where
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they would be scared off from going to the hospital
and not in any danger from ice going to it,
than might possibly be in danger going to the hospital. Like,
you're just endangering people by trying to get them to
believe it is not safe for them to go receive
life saving emergency medical care at this stage. Now, is
it possible that's going to change? Good? God, I'm certainly
not going to say no, right, I'm certainly not going
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to say no one hundred percent, but that's not where
we are right now. Just overcautioning people is not a
net good in this instance. Yeah, absolutely, times it is,
but not here because again, if people don't go to
the hospital on time, they die.
Speaker 8 (45:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Yeah, And I'm aware of cases where people with genuinely
life threatening medical emergencies have been had to be persuaded
to go to the hospital by people right because they
had seen this. Because these rooms don't just spread via
social media built by WhatsApp groups and things, and it
can be very scary for people.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Well, and people largely construct their beliefs on reality by
like what the weight of the people that they know
directly or follow are saying is true. And when you
see fifty people, some of them you kind of know,
some of them you've at least followed to an extent online,
all say this is unsafe. Then there's a tendency to
get really angry when people are like, well, I don't know,
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maybe it doesn't actually.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
Yeah, Like I mean, like I care about the safety
of migrantes in this country. I think anyone who looked
at a totality of my work would believe that, right, Like,
it's ludicrous to suggest otherwise. That means I want them
to go to hospital when they're fucking sick. And that
means that people who are saying things that are not true.
I understand why, right it lines up with the other
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things that we know to be true. ICE is doing
terrible shit. Shit is terrible, but it is still an
area where we need to exercise extreme caution when reporting
on things until we know that it is true that
I so are coming in to hospital and taking people
out of the beds, which again not a thing that
I think is happening. Let's pivot a little bit to
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public lands and think that I think about a lot
that we don't always report on here, but that I
think is very important. I want to talk about the
Roadless Rule today. So September saw the end of the
comment period. It was a very short comment period on
the Trump administration's proposal to rescind the Roadless Rule. The
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Roadless Rule, if you're not familiar, protects over fifty d
eight point eight million acres of national forest land from roadbuilding, logging,
and other industrial activity. According to the Center for Western Priorities,
ninety nine percent of the comments submitted, of which there
were more than one hundred and eighty thousand, were opposed
to rescinding the rule. Right, the reads rule has previously
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had broad bipartisan support.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
It was not a particularly controversial thing.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
Agriculture Sexuary Brook Rollins announced a proposal early in the summer,
saying it would increase logging and decrease wildfire risk. Research
suggests that the opposite is true. Cutting roads into forests
provides more ignission opportunities. Right By allowing people to go
into those forests, you allow those people to do things
which lead to fires happening. Right, their cars overheat they
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smoke cigarettes, they fucking shoot steel targets in the middle
of the summer.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
I mean, we just had a guy brought in for
the Palisade fires and he was like a twenty nine
year old uber driver who was having clearly a bad
mental health day, called in after he set a fire,
but kind of made weird denials about it and then
like flood to Florida and it kind of just looks
like he was listening to a song where there were
people lighting fires and decided to light a fire and
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it got way out of control, way too quickly. Yeah,
and it wasn't even the same night, Like it took
like a week because like they put out the initial fire,
but it kept burning through thick underbrush which eventually got
real hot. That's my understanding based on the articles that
I've read. But like, yeah, it's it's I mean, in
that case, it's just a guy who's not super well.
Speaker 11 (48:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (48:33):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
And like the other thing that cutting grows will do
is it will change the foliage. Right, You'll cut down
the big trees and you'll have smaller shrubs and that
those are easier to burn the big trees.
Speaker 8 (48:43):
Right.
Speaker 4 (48:44):
The wilderness society has some data on this. I think
they found that forestwich roads were four times more likely
to have fires. I will link to that Wilderness Society data.
And the road rule was passed under the Clinton admin
and it's being rescinded as part of a March executive
which sought to increase US timber production. I want to
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note that there will not be guys with chainsaws rolling
into your favorite national forest like next week or next month,
right Like building these roads would have to be financed
by the United States Forest Service, which is of course
currently well. If you go on the forest website, forest
Service website will tell you that radical left Democrats have
shut down the federal government right now in a pop
up but we did it, guys. Yeah, so the Forest
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Service finally coming out against the work left. But yeah,
the Forest Service would have to finance these and it's
currently understaffed because of the voluntree and DOGE based layoffs.
It's not particularly well funded. I don't see the Forest
Service going in for a lot of road construction, but
it might be wrong. Right Trump Kelly seems to see
not importing timber as a major issue. I'm not quite
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sure why. Like I guess this was an issue in
Britain when they had to respond to the Spanish Armada
cut down a lot of trees back then. Not familiar
with very similar Yeah, yeah, national security issue.
Speaker 5 (50:01):
I think we can agree right to Spanish.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
I mean, I'm just excited that now I can finally
drive my ATV through these you know, environmentally protected area
damn right garrison without getting harassed by the park ser.
Speaker 5 (50:13):
Yeah woke left.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
I'm gonna be the drunkest guy on an ATV and
Joshua tree, I'm gonna drive straight for the biggest tree
I can find. Anything over a thousand years old is
fair game for my bumper.
Speaker 5 (50:25):
Baby's hit close to home if I I'm sorry, James.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
James is seething right now, James Jessu is going to
fucking cut me.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
If I see anyone stealing or destroying a Joshua tree,
I will.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
I would never harm a Joshua tree. I would never
harm a Joshua tree. There's one kind of tree I
will harm, in discriminately, into tree of paradise. But that's
good for the environment. But those trees kill them wherever
you find them.
Speaker 4 (50:49):
I think the only Joshua tree it's okay to hate
is the album by you two.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Yeah, that's also burn every copy of the album Joshua
Tree that yeah, I'm okay with destroy raise it from
the inn for those within ATV.
Speaker 5 (51:01):
Yeah, I wouldn't mind if that became extinct. Why not?
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (51:06):
May you want to talk about tariffs. We're talking about timber,
and of course there has been recently a tariff on
Canadian lumber woke trees coming in from our neighbors to
the north. So sorry, that's why we need to destroy
our national forests.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I mean, Canada kinda is destroying theirs and they still
have trees the export.
Speaker 5 (51:23):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 4 (51:24):
I guess one thing I haven't said about public land
that you should always say when you're talking about public
land is that it's all native land actually, and the
framing of public land is a place for white folks
to recreate. It's not the correct framing. It's not how
we win this fight.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
And no, and you should also if you care about
not just the damage that fires do, but conservation in general,
and you ever eat the opportunity to go through like
up here in the Pacific Northwest, you can go through
chunks of the forest that are managed by the state,
and that are managed by the Bureau of Land Management,
and then you can go through chunks of forests that
are managed by the indigenous communities, and the way in
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which forests are managed is very different. Yeah, in a
way that one is the right way to do it,
and the other two arts yeah.
Speaker 5 (52:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
This is land that was all stolen from its indigenous
stewards by means of genocide, and we should give it back.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
And it's not just a matter of that's the the
right thing to say, but also that is the right
way to preserve those lands.
Speaker 4 (52:22):
Yeah, the people who've been in stewardship of those lands
so much longly than America has been a country.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Anyway. Watch the I think nineteen ninety one movie Clearcut,
which is set in Canada. But a fucking banger, real
good movie.
Speaker 5 (52:33):
Check it out.
Speaker 4 (52:34):
I don't know if those two things are compatible. What
Canada and a banga. Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
It's it's it's a it's about an indigenous activist and
a white lawyer.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
Who you don't like cronin what's wrong with.
Speaker 5 (52:50):
He's fighting this movies.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
It's it's really good. It's about this like liberal white
lawyer who's fighting like a logging company and this indigenous
activist who takes him and kidnaps the head of the
logging company and takes them into the forest. And that's
all I'll tell you about the movie. It is a
fucking banger.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
I don't go on this podcast make fun of your
own country, Garrison Davis.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
You will all by the way, like Clearcut, watch that
fucking movie it Yeah, tariff talk, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (53:23):
What movie tariff? Look at that for fucking segue. Yeah,
rocking jazz, rocking jazz pot sorry lock.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
Rocking jazz, rocking jazz bo.
Speaker 5 (53:42):
Okay.
Speaker 10 (53:42):
In Lightning Round, we have huge we have two pivot
points here. We're gonna go for the timber pivot instead
of the movie pivot. Okay, So Lightning Round. Trump is
imposing a ten percent tariff on softwood lumber, a twenty
five percent tariff on upholstered furniture, and twenty five percent
tariff on kitchen cabinets in vanities.
Speaker 6 (54:05):
Ikea is the thing.
Speaker 4 (54:06):
Ikea is Tyas Shay's long industry is collapsing in Canada
as we speak.
Speaker 10 (54:12):
Yeah, so this is this is going to be in
effect October fourteenth. Get him now, and then also these
tariffs are scheduled to increase at the beginning of next year.
The upholstered furniture tariffs are increasing to thirty percent, and
the kitchen cabinet and vanity tariffs are increasing to fifty
percent at the beginning of next year.
Speaker 4 (54:31):
Oh yeah, the idea that there's a vanity tariff is
very funny to me, like a now, but just like
as a concept.
Speaker 10 (54:39):
Yeah, people, these are nominally lumber industry tariffs. I think
there's some kind of housing development brain inside of Trump's
head rattling around as to why there's suddenly tariffs on
vanities and upultered furniture. Who knows, baffling. The Canadian government
has been attempting to lift the tariffs. It has not worked.
(55:00):
Snociations once again failed today, which is October eighth. Okay,
bouncing from that to something that's also very important, Blashet
Waite and I feeling more important. So one of the
issues with the current government shutdown is the threat to
the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, infants and Children,
which is normally called WIC. The RECU funding is extraordinarily
(55:25):
important because it feeds several million people. And okay, this
story is very very weird because we haven't gotten any
direct thing about how this would work outside of the
Press secretary saying it. But the Press Secretary is saying
that Trump is going to fund this program with the
(55:48):
money from one of the tariff programs. Now, it is
worth noting that this is just very unconstitutional, exceptionally unconstitutional.
Is a violation of the part of the operation of
powers where they say that Congress is the thing that
the levy's tax doesn't decide where the money goes. But
it's also it's not clear if this is even happening
(56:08):
or how it could even remotely happen, but it is
being reported. The WIC has been a program that Trump
has been using to push his narrative about the government
shut down.
Speaker 4 (56:19):
Yeah, I think forty percent of children are on WICK
right now. Like, this is an extremely important program. It's
one of those things where like again, there was complete
biparties and support apart aside from complete lunatics until very
like you would never have heard like a fuck Wick statement.
It's done a lot of good for a lot of
(56:40):
people who need a lot of help. I did see
a statement from the Wick Council that basically asserted that like, look,
we'd be excited if you would keep us keep Wick funded,
but using tariff money, it's not a sustainable or like
reliable approach to do this. Just just fund it by
playing for government program to the youthul way.
Speaker 8 (57:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (57:02):
So, the other major tariff news that we have is basically,
for the last couple of weeks, Trump has been threatening
to impose one percent tariffs on pharmaceuticals. This was originally
supposed to go into effect in October first, and then
Trump started cutting a bunch of deals with drug manufacturers
to exchange sort of lower price agreements. And also, and
(57:24):
this is the major significant element, as we've seen with
the whole bunch of companies that have made deals with
Trump pledges of large scale investments in US manufacturing and production.
These tariffs have sort of been staved off, and the
administration is now saying that they won't do it because
they don't need to because they have resear gavings for
drug companies. Pfizer was the first major company to sign
(57:47):
a deal. This has been part of an initiative called
Trump RX, which is supposedly coming in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (57:56):
Man.
Speaker 10 (57:57):
Yeah, and the plan is to have to reck to
consumer drug sales by forcing these companies to give the
US Most Favored Nation status, which like basically the thrust
of this is giving specifically this trump are X thing,
the prices that these drug companies charged to undeveloped countries. However,
(58:18):
and this is extremely important to not being reported very much.
Trump ore Rex. Assuming this comes program comes into being,
you can't use insurance on it is only you can
only buy drugs off there. You would only be able
to buy drugs off there without insurance. So it probably
doesn't lower your drug costs at all if you have
really any kind of.
Speaker 4 (58:36):
Insurance, certainly lowers that cost your insurance company has to pay,
right like, if you're insured.
Speaker 5 (58:41):
Badly, Yeah, right, you know.
Speaker 10 (58:43):
And so the actual good that this could even potentially do,
I think is very very limited. Yeah, but that's sort
of what's going on. This is the part of the initiative.
If you see people talking about how he's lowering drug prices,
it's specifically for this weird trump are X thing, which
again you can't use insurance to use. So there's been
a few other tariffs that he's talked about, and I
(59:03):
kind of want to set a spectrum of how real
a tariff is because there's a whole bunch of different
kinds of teriffs that Trump announces and then nothing happens one. So,
for example, you can have a kind of tariff where
he announces on social media, but there's no date. Right,
So one hundred percent tariff on four and made movies.
This is the second time he's talked about it. There's
(59:24):
never been a date attached to it. It seems to
be something that he tweets about and then forgets about.
It never happens. On the more real end, there are
tariffs like the one that is currently being proposed as
twenty five percent tariff on heavy trucks that's supposed to
go into effect in November first, but there is no
executive order, so that one we can't treat as real
(59:46):
as for example, the lumber tariffs, which have an executive order,
although also again you have to wait for these to
actually go into effect, which which would be category sort
of three and four. Are is there an executive order
and has the date of these executive order doing the
thing passed? So we have a couple of floating tariffs.
From there, we have those twenty five percent tariffs on
(01:00:08):
heavy trucks, which are supposed to go into efect November first,
assuming it's an executive order. We have this film.
Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Tariff, which is the was the scariest tariff by far
one tariffs on foreign made films.
Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
What are they tariffing that have to.
Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Hoist the black flag again?
Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
My friends don't know has any idea what that meants?
We have no absolutely not. We have no clue how
this is no detasfled. Okay, he just said film Okay, sick. Good.
Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
I'm glad that everyone's equally clear on that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Get back to torrenting Babel.
Speaker 10 (01:00:37):
I think I think the final thing we should talk
about is so on November fifth, the Supreme Court is
going to start hearing the case against a bunch of
the tariffs that Trump has been doing. We've talked about
this before. The Trump administration has also stated that even
if these terriffs are found on constitutional, they are going
to continue to apply tariffs themselves using other laws.
Speaker 5 (01:00:55):
That's good.
Speaker 10 (01:00:56):
Even if they lose the Supreme Court case, that doesn't
mean that all the terriffs are suddenly just not going
to happen anymore. He will probably try to reimpose a
whole bunch of them under different terror authority and we'll
go through this whole process again. But yeah, this is
this has been, this has been terriff.
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Speaker 3 (02:01):
Right now, Let's start because there's a lot of news
this week by talking about, frankly, the most important news
story in the whole nation right now. On Thursday, October second,
right wing influencer Nick Sorder along with two other people.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's stupid. Oh, it's really stupid.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Along with two of the people, were arrested by the
Portland Police Bureau in connection with a fight outside of
the Ice Building during a protest. Sorder was provoking reactions
from protesters when he was then chased down the street
by a woman in a bird cost bird costume quote
swinging a large stick covered with.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Feathers rested by Big Bird.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
According to court documents, the three people were arrested at
all charged with disorderly conduct, though sords charges have since
been dropped. Sordiers arrest ignited a right wing firestorm the
likes of which I have not seen since Early Kirk
was assassinated.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I'm glad people are finally waking up to the ANTIFA
police department that rules Portland with an iron fist.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
For a long time.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Tim Poole posted on x the Everything app. I'm calling
on the Trump administration to launch a legal challenge against
Oregon following the arrest of Nick Sorter and if necessary,
deployed National Guard Organs failed to uphold federal and state
law and we should not tolerate it.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Oh and like Yeah, there was like a fight and
they detained people, and then the DA didn't press charges
against Sorter, and it's it's just it couldn't be more
of a nothing burger as an actual story.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
Nothing than burger.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yeah, but oh boy, but not according to the AG's office,
who quickly responded on it to Tim Poole's request, and
by Friday morning, the White House, the Attorney General, and
the Justice Department announced a quote unquote full investigation into
the arrest and the conduct of the Portland Police Bureau. Finally,
(04:02):
conservative influencer Benny Johnson, who's been embedded with ICE this
past week, posted on x Everything app quote important news.
I spoke with DHS Secretary Christinome. She's been briefed on
the attack and arrest of journalists and Nick Sorder. Secretary
Nome tells me DHS will surge ICE resources in Portland.
Quote Antifa is a terrorist group and will not control
(04:22):
our streets unquote. Thank you, Secretary Nome. Benny Johnson later
shared video captioned breaking. DHS Secretary Christinome has announced that
the Department of War will deploy to Portland and Chicago
within twenty four hours to crush left wing violence unquote.
And here is the video with Christinome talking about the
(04:43):
quote unquote Antifa affiliated anti ICE protests.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
Well, you've got a presence in Portland as that is
Antifa affiliated, and so that is a situation where you
have known professionals targeted violence that want to tear down
America and while will apparently attack anyone, even journalists, they're
just trying to report the truth of what's happening.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
On the streets.
Speaker 7 (05:04):
So we're not just going to be rolling out of
Chicago here, but we're sending in the Department of War
at the request that I made to Secretary Headset, they're
going to be rolling in here within the next twenty
four hours. They'll be coming to Chicago to I put
a request in today for them to come to Chicago,
and we're going to not only have our officers that
are out there with HSI and space, but we're also
(05:26):
going to have backup from our military, because everybody deserves that.
And so what we saw happened to that journalist last
night will not happen again.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Okay, Yeah, Benny Johnson showing a very professional journalism there
by just saying wow a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
It's a pretty wild scene. Having like troops walk behind
Christy nome as this podcast or Grills Grills are on
sending the military to cities in front of a back cat.
The reactions from the right after Nick Sorterer's arrest we're
pretty wild, with journalists going on Fox News claiming that
(06:03):
the Portland Police are affiliated with Antifa, and popular right
wing influencers on X like amuse saying, quote, the Portland
Police are now colluding with Antifa to prosecute federal officers
protecting the ICE facility.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
When has that happened.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Each time federal officers engage with Antifa, Portland Police liaisons
clutch statements and videos from Antifa to facilitate state criminal
charges against DHS. So somehow, in the year of Our
Lord twenty twenty five, the Portland Police Bureau is now Antifa,
which is a truly miraculous state of affairs. After his
release Friday morning, next Order posted on X quote, You've
(06:45):
proved what we've all been saying for years. You're corrupt
and controlled by violent Antifa thugs who terrorize the streets.
Referring to the Portland Police. I have been in direct
contact with top officials at DHS. What's coming in Portland
is unprecedented thanks to Portland police exposing themselves by arresting journalists.
Great work, Portland, unquote. A day later, on October fourth,
(07:09):
a Trump appointed federal judge granted the state of Oregon
and the City of Portland a temporary restraining order blocking
trumpenheag'sas federalization and deployment of two hundred organ National Guard
against the wishes of Oregon Governor Tina Kotec. The judge
found that existing local and federal law enforcement were sufficient
to police protests, that the Trump admin had mischaracterized the
(07:31):
reality of the current protests outside of the ice facility,
and that violence against ICE in other parts of the
country is not sufficient justification for a local military deployment.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
It's worth noting this judge, Judge Immergant, number one, not
a woke judge, was literally, if you go back and
you watch the Monica Lewinsky hearings or the I mean,
this is the Clinton sex scandal hearings, but this is
the part of it in which Lewinsky was being grilled.
Immigrant was the female lawyer that they brought out to
be incredibly cruel to Monica Lewinsky Because it wouldn't look
(08:05):
as often putting and wound up.
Speaker 8 (08:07):
She wound up.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Part of why Monica Lewinsky became so is she immigrant
looked fucking nuts and immigrant is the person who is
looking at it, who is going through all of the
claims made by the administration and going there's literally not
only is there no justification for the deployment of troops
in Portland, but everyone calling the shots at FPS and
Ice is like, everything's under control, we have no need
(08:28):
for additional people. Yeah, there's no real danger here. Like,
this is not a leftist judge. This is not a
judge with a political act to grind. This is a judge.
But thirty years ago you would have called a far
right extremist.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I will quote a little bit from her ruling here.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
To accept the defendant's arguments, that's the federal's government would
be to render meaningless the extraordinary requirements of ten USC
one two four six by allowing the presidents to federalize
one states National Guard based on the events in a
different state or mere speculation about future events. In other words,
(09:07):
violence elsewhere cannot support troop deployments here, and concern about
hypothetical future conduct does not demonstrate a present inability to
execute the laws using non military federal law enforcement quote.
On the Trump Admin's argument that the presidents authorized to
federalize state National Guard in the case of rebellion or invasion,
(09:28):
the judge concluded that the legal definition of rebellion requires quote. First,
a rebellion must not only be violent, but also armed. Second,
a rebellion must be organized. Third, a rebellion must be
open and avowed. Fourth, rebellion must be against the government
as a whole, often with the aim of overthrowing the government,
rather than in opposition to a single law or issue. Here,
(09:50):
the protests in Portland were not a rebellion and did
not pose a danger of rebellion, especially in the days
leading up to the federalization. The judge found that the
president's federalization of the organ National Guard without proper statutory
authority under ten USC. One two four h six, exceeded
the president's constitutional authority, undermined organs sovereignty, and violated the
(10:13):
Tenth Amendment by infringing on organ's constitutional power to control
its own national guard, writing that the Trump admin Quote
interfered with the constitutional balance of power between the federal
and state governments.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
Unquote Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Is that the one where she she said their argument
was untethered from the facts. Yeah, Yeah, I think that
was a pretty good, uh good summary of what's going
on here.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Later that day, Stephen Miller went on News Nation to
talk about the quote unquote insurrectionists interesting word in Portland
and the new National Security Presidential memorandum to investigate dismantle
so called left wing terrorist networks.
Speaker 9 (10:51):
We're the federal government. We are not going to tolerate
a lawless insurrection. We're not going to tolerate domestic terrorism.
And we are going after the Antifa rioters, thests, the
violent assaulters, and we are not only going after them,
we are going after their network. We are going after
their funders. Every time we make an arrest, we are
initiating an investigation into the.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Entire domestic terrorist network.
Speaker 9 (11:13):
The President issued a National Security Presidential Memorandum in NSPN
making clear that it is the national security priority of
United States law enforcement to dismantle, disrupt, defeat, and destroy
these domestic terror networks. And that is exactly what is
taking place. It is what we are doing, it is
what will happen.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
His use of the word insurrection, there is important. A
day later, President Trump also used the term insurrectionists to
describe protests in Portland and complained about the federal judge
who blocked the deployment of National Guard, saying, quote, Portland
is burning to the ground. You have agitators, insurrectionists. All
you gotta do is look at the television. It's burning
(11:54):
to the ground. The governor, the mayor, the politicians are
petrified for their lives. That judge ought to be a shamed.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
And again, nothing's been burnt down. Nothing was burnt down
in twenty twenty. Most of the big nights that I
slately have been maybe two hundred people. You know, you've
had some more on a few occasions, but like it's
usually a lot less. It's probably just unnecessary for me
to correct all this, but I guess I can't fight
the urge to be like, none of this is accurate
to what's happening.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, yeah, the simulation is more important than the reality.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Miller's done this before, right, Like he kind of likes
to use these words that exist in legislation and sort
of in point to the direction he wants things to go.
I guess, yeah, like he did this by calling anti
for an enterprise. We sort as to an extent with
Title forty two and his reference to migrants to the
public health threat. This is kind of a trademark move
(12:46):
for him.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Almost now, hours after the federal judge blocked the federalization
of Oregon National Guard, Secretary of War Pete Hegseth ordered
three hundred California National Guard to be deployed to Portland.
In the next day, he Texas Governor Greg Abbott authorized
four hundred Texas National Guard to be sent to Orgon
and Illinois in coordination with the Department of War. On
(13:08):
Sunday night, the federal judge that previously blocked the organ
National Guard federalization made another ruling blocking the deployment of
troops from California and Texas, finding that it was quote,
in direct contravention of her earlier tro This secondary toro
halted any federalization relocation or deployment of any Guard members
(13:29):
to organ from any state. The Trump administration has appealed
these rulings and oral arguments will be heard on Thursday,
October ninth in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Stephen
Miller called this ruling quote one of the most egregious
and thunderous violations of constitutional order we have ever seen,
and is yet the latest example of unceasing efforts to
(13:51):
nullify the twenty twenty fourth election by FIAT unquote. By Monday,
Miller told reporters, without going to specifics, that the present
quote has a very broad range and set of authorities
when it comes to deploying federal assets.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
That same day, Monday, Trump discussed the possibility of invoking
the Insurrection Act in a White House press conference.
Speaker 10 (14:16):
The Insurrection Act, Sir, what the Insurrection Act? Under what
conditions or terms would you?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Well?
Speaker 11 (14:21):
I do it if it was necessary. So far it
hasn't been necessary. But we have an Insurrection Act for
a reason. If I had to enacted, I'd do that.
If people were being killed and courts were holding us up,
or governors or mayors were holding us up, Sure I
do that. I mean, I want to make sure that
people aren't killed. We have to make sure that our
cities are safe. And it's turning out, and we started
(14:44):
with DC it's been so successful. You look at what's
happened with Portland over the years. It's a burning hell hall.
And then you have a judge that lost a way
that tries to protec and that like there's no problem. Actually,
she's not even saying that there's a huge problem. Important.
(15:06):
I'll tell you what the problem is.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Crime.
Speaker 11 (15:08):
Okay, crime. There's a huge problem in Chicago. It's called crime.
And we want to put out the crime, and they
want to inflame the crime.
Speaker 10 (15:17):
Oo booy.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Sure, that's the clearest statement we've gotten from the President
on the conditions in which he would invoke the Insurrection Act.
I think specifically pointing towards governors, mayors, or courts that
prevent ice from completing immigration actions in those cities and counties.
Speaker 10 (15:37):
Yeah, and that's the thing that we've gotten from him.
That's the most specific indication of things that are happening
right now that could cause him to do it. We
still don't have a direct I'm going to do it,
but I think it's pretty clear from this that he
wants to these people in the circles I'm talking about,
wanting to do it for a long time, and I
think this is in some ways the closest we've gotten
(15:58):
to it.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah, and that's why you have tole like Miller and
Trump himself using the word insurrection when describing what's happening
to establish a pretext to actually follow through on that
and declare the Insurrection Act when it suits them.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Yeah, I think it's worth noting mellas doing. Miller is
often the originator of many of these kind of legal theories.
This one has made its way to Trump.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I'm going to declare an ad break, and then we
will return to finish our reporting on war ravaged Portland. Okay,
we are back. DHS Secretary Christy Nome has made some
(16:47):
pretty fantastic claims about the nature of these protests and
the threats facing ICE agents, both in Chicago and Portland,
and I'm just gonna play her clip from Fox News
here talking about the threats to ICE.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Our intelligence indicates that these people are organized, They're getting
more and more people on their team as far as
attacking officers, and they're making plans to ambush them and
to kill them. We have specific officers and agents that
have bounties that have been put out on their heads.
It's been two thousand dollars to kidnap them, ten thousand
dollars to kill them. They've released their pictures, they've sent
(17:23):
them between their networks, and it's an extremely dangerous situation
and unprecedented. So we've put protective detail around those individuals,
change some of our operations to keep our officers safe.
But make no mistake, this isn't just about protesting free
speech or that they don't like that people out here
are upholding the law of our country. They're actually going
(17:44):
out there and saying, kill these people, and we'll give
you this much money to do it.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
It's quite a specific claim, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
What she's doing there is conflating alleged cartel bounties on
ICE agents with protests happening out the site of ICE facilities,
making it sound like the protesters are putting ten thousand
dollars kill bounties on ICE officers.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Man, let me tell you, nobody who's out at ICE
right now has collectively ten grand to put towards a bounty.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Yeah, what are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
On Tuesday, October seventh, Christinom arrived in Portland, Oregon, along
with her conservative podcaster sidekick Benny Johnson, who has been
live streaming ICE operations in Chicago with NOME. Benny posted
on x everything app breaking DH Secretary Christinomes stares down
army of Antifa and a guy in a chicken suit
(18:44):
from the rooftop of the ice facility here in Portland.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Finally someone took that chicken guy down to size.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I want to play the video that I think one
of us should like set this stage for what we're seeing.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Sector.
Speaker 10 (18:56):
Do you have a message to the protesters, especially the
man in the chicken outfit?
Speaker 12 (19:00):
Man on the chicken out but I just see him,
no goodness, you could do better. Our goal is that
people would peacefully protest, but that we would still be.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
Allowed to enforce the law in this country. Too bad
the uneducated and niliform.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
If you look at this protest, there's about what twenty
people on the street corner adjacent to the ice facility,
nearly as many journalists and photographers as there are protesters.
And this is what Bennie Johnson is describing as an
army of Antifa, is these twenty people holding signs across
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from like a police line on the edge of the
ice facility. At a later point, Benny zooms into another
street corner which similarly has about a dozen people over
a one block away from the ice facility. This is
the army of Antifa that Bennie Johnson is referring to
as he, along with Nick Sorder stand with on the
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roof of the ice facility surveying the area, which is
just a fantastical sequence of events. We time traveled and
told me that five years ago that Christy Nome and
Betty Johnson are going to be on the roof of
the ice facility calling a man in a chicken outfit
an army of Antifa. I guess I could believe you,
but it would still I guess it would still be
upsetting it.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
I wouldn't be happy, but I wouldn't like, I wouldn't
like argue with you. I'd be like, yeah, I mean
that sounds like a natural extension of where things are
at this point in time.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
On Tuesday night, Nome went on Fox News to talk
about a meeting she had with local law enforcement and
the mayor where she threatened to send four times as
many federal forces into Portland, Oregon.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Sure man, I.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Told them what we wanted. We wanted more security here
at the building, a bigger buffer zone to keep our
officers safe. We wanted to have their streets opened up
again and not let the anarchists run this city anymore.
That we would ask them to continue to back us
up like we've been asked looking for, instead of what
they've been doing the last several months, which is just
leaving our officers hang out to dry. The chief asked
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if I wanted to meet with the mayor, and I
said absolutely, came back and just met with a mayor,
and I'm so extremely disappointed he's continuing to play politics.
Did not commit to any of those promises and said
that he'd give me an answer by tomorrow, and I'm
hopeful that he will. What I told him is that
if he did not follow through on some of these
security measures for our officers, we were going to cover
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him up with more federal resources, and that we were
going to send four times the amount of federal officers
here so that the people of Portland could have some safety.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Again, almost no one's even there. I can't exaggerate the
degree to which this is not a major factor in
ninety nine percent of people's day to day because number one,
where the ice facility is, is cordoned off from the
rest of the city like.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Pretty isolated chunk.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
It's isolated, you might say. And number two, just like
most people that I know who were out in twenty
twenty don't really have a clear idea of what they
should be doing right now or what the most useful
thing to do is right now, and have spent a
lot of time in front of federal riot lines and
aren't right now, And like it's this complete disconnect between
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what's actually going on in the city and like what's
what's being reported, which doesn't matter really, like it doesn't
impact anything. That everything they're saying is a lie, yeah,
because their people believe it. It's just kind of frustrating now.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
And this information is all into tro document that blocked
the deployment of National Guard quote. Plaintiffs provided all of
the PPB call logs in the month of September, which
showed that Portland Place Bureau worked in close coordination with
Federal Protective Service supervisors and regularly checked the status of
the ice facility as detailed above. They also showed that
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protest activity in September generally did not involve violence against
federal property or personnel.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
Unquote.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Espureau have been working in coordination to manage the protests
outside the ICE building. They've not abandoned ice officers. That's
not actually what's happening. A federal judge is deemed that
local law enforcement are more than sufficient to handle the
protests outside of the ICE facility. The Trump government just
really wants to send the military into cities, as they've
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already done with DC, as they were wanting to do
with Memphis, Chicago, Portland eventually like New Orleans. This is
just something that they really want to do. On Tuesday,
October seventh, Texas National Guard arrived in Illinois and are
currently stationed at an Army reserve center in a suburb
south of Chicago. Sunday night, Governor Pritzker made a statement reading, quote,
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this evening, President Trump is ordering four hundred members of
the Texas National Guard for deployments to Illinois, Oregon, and
other locations within the United States. We must now start
calling this what it is, Trump's invasion. It started with
federal agents, will soon include deploying federalized members of the
Illinois National Guard against our wishes, and it will now
involve sending in another state's military troops. There is no
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reason a president should send military troops into a sovereign
state without their knowledge, consent, or cooperation.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Unquote.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
The state of Illinois announced that they would be seeking
their own tro against Trump's military deployment. The Illinois Attorney
General said in a statement, quote, the American people, regardless
of where they reside, should not live under the threat
of occupation by the United States military, particularly for the
reason that their city or state leadership has fallen out
of a president's favor. And on Monday, Chicago Mayra Brandon
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Johnson signed an executive order establishing city property and unwilling
private businesses as ice free zones and discuss the deployment
of troops from out of state by warning quote, the
right wing in this country wants a rematch of the
Civil War unquote.
Speaker 10 (24:49):
Yeah, and so we have a kind of breaking news update,
which is so this is being recorded on Wednesday, October eighth.
It's possible this will again change by the time this
comes out. The most recent information we have is and
this is supported by CBS per a statement from US
Northern Command, which is part of the Defense Department's War Department.
But yes, they're sitting five hundred troops. I'm just going
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to read the direct quote Illinois, approximately two hundred soldiers
from various units of the Texas National Guard and approximately
three hundred soldiers from various units of the Illinois National
Guard were activated into a Title ten status and have
arrived in the Greater Chicago area. The National Guard, remobilized
for an initial period of sixty days, will be under
the command and control of the Commander of US Northern Command.
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So that's where we are right now.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah, there is out of state guard deployed into Illinois.
They are in this borders of the state right now.
When Haiggs has tried to deployed California National Guard to Oregon,
it's unclear how many of them actually arrived in Oregon,
but we do have confirmation and photos of Texas Guard
in the borders of Illinois.
Speaker 8 (25:55):
YEP.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
This morning, Donald Trump truthed on truth Social that quote,
Chicago mayor should be in jail for failing to protect
ice officers. Governor Pritzker also unquote. Is that the President
of the United States calling for the jailing of a
mayor and governor.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, he's also more recently calling for the jailing of
everyone who burns American flags and an anim of a
year in prison. Again, the legality here is deeply unclear.
There's not a legal underpinning for that, other than he's
instructed the DOJ to start going after those folks.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
But yeah, this is just words that he's saying.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
But I think the words that he's saying are sometimes
not always, but sometimes important.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (26:36):
Yeah, So I want to turn from here to the
other occupation of Chicago, the one that has been doing
significant damage already in the city as we have been covering,
which is the ICE and Border Patrol deployment in Chicago.
There's been more escalations that we are going to spend
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a small amount of time talking about. ICE has begun
detaining unhoused people. We have reports of eleven total people
they've detained so far. Most of them have been released.
But the most prominent, and this is something that Brandon
Johnson specifically mentioned in his speech, was for people who
were taken in Chicago neighborhood called Broadview, who were outside
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a shelter. According to Chicago reader, we don't know where
they are Jesus as if when say they're just gone,
no one, no one has been able to trace them down.
Speaker 11 (27:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (27:28):
This and this seems to be part of a broader
trend of ICE agents taking action against people who I
mean appeared to be US citizens. We saw this a
couple like last week with and This is another thing
that Brandon Johnson specifically mentioned with him with ICE agents
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just choking a black man out on the street. The
major story is that there has been a second shooting
by ICE in Chicago on What we know for sure
about this shooting is that on Saturday morning, an ICE
agent shot a woman named Merrimar Martinez, who appeared to
have been part of a group that was following ICE
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vehicles around the city. Martinez was shot and drove herself
to a nearby auto repair shop, where medics and police
showed up. I'm going to read the Sun Times' account
from the shop managers who they spoke to of what
happened when she got to the body shop. Quote. The
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shop manager spoke with a nine to one one operator
and said, send somebody quickly because this lady is bleeding profusely.
I mean it was instant puddles. Police and paramedic showed
up a few minutes later, he said. As paramedics place
a turnquit on Martinez's leg and arm, a bullet fell
out of her arm and onto the shop floor. The
manager said, Martinez thankfully does not seem to have been
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really really severely injured. She is like she is insable
medical condition. NOWDHS put out a press release almost immediately
claiming that their agents who were quote ambushed by domestic
terrorists that rammed federal agents with their vehicles and that
quote Nortinez, woman they shot was quote aren't with a
semiongmatic weapon and has a history of docsing federal agents. Now,
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it is worth noting that best practice when looking at
Department of Homeland Security statements, especially under the Trump administration,
is to simply assume that they are not telling the
truth until any details they have mentioned are corroborated. What
the exact situation was before the shooting is very unclear.
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Both Department of Homeland Security and federal prosecutors have claimed
that a group of cars basically boxed in an ice vehicle,
and their repeated claims that they were ramming the ice
vehicle and then that's why the ICE agent opened fire.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
That's the DHS's claims.
Speaker 10 (29:52):
Yeah, yeah, this is the DHS's claims, and these are
the claims that are made in court documents. I want
to read from the Sun Times also Martinez's lawyer's description
of what's going on, because it is significantly different from
the government's account and Also, it's also worth mentioning that
there's already been some deviation between the court documents and
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the DHS statement. For example, the court the DHS statement
mentions a semi automatic weapon, and there's just simply no
mention of that in like in any of the sort
of charging documents. The deadly weapon that she's being accused
of doing an assault with, which is what she's been
charged with, is the car. Yeah, so here's here's from
the Sun Times. So Parenti, who is her attorney. Parenti
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also offered to play an agent's body cam video that
shows the shooting, noting prosecutors did not show the video
that he claims disputes the government's version of the shooting.
Parenti said the video shows an agent turning a federal
vehicle left into Martinez's vehicle, after which the agent says, quote,
do something, bitch. The agent then exits the vehicle and
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shoots Martinez. The t Ernie said Martinez had quote seven
holes in her from the shooting, and that agents were
in such a hurry to take her into custody at
the hospital that they had to return later when Martinez
began bleeding from her wounds.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (31:13):
Yeah, so this is a significantly different portrayal of the shooting.
We do not have access to this bodycam footage yet
it has not been released to the public. There is
a video that we do have that does not show
the shooting, that shows some of the stuff leading up
to the shooting, from that sort of audio repair shop
that she went to. It is still very unclear what
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exactly happened here other than the fact that I shot
this woman. That's the only thing that we one percent know.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
She does have a concealed carry license and had a
handgun in the car with her. Yeah, the lawyers have
claimed she never brandished the weapon and it was in
the passenger seat.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
And there's no evidence that she did brandage the one.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Nor is Ice even claiming that like Ice. Ice isn't
even claiming that she brandished weapon. Ice isn't claiming that
she fired a weapon.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Now, the Ice specific claim is that when she was
arrested later, she had the weapon on her, which could
refer to the vehicle or whatever.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (32:11):
Well, and I will say so. The initial Department of
Homeland Security press statement said that she was armed with
correct Semiana had weapon. I think a lot of people
took that to mean, you know, because DHS was implying
stuff by saying that she was armed with even though
she was not.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yeah, they're inhabiting the ambiguity of the right.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Like yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
They also said that they fired defensively, which makes you
infer that this person may have fired at Ice. Yeah,
even though DTS has never actually claimed that. They are
trying to selectively use words to make people infer things
that they're not even actually explicitly claiming.
Speaker 8 (32:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (32:46):
Yeah, And we're going to have to get more details
and we're going to have to wait to see exactly
what happened. But what the evidence supports right now is
that ICE shot someone who was doing rapid response work
and it is frankly a miracle that she wasn't severely
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injured or killed. And this is again the second time
they have done this since ICE's deployment in the city.
The first time they did just straight up kill a man.
So we'll be following the story as as it develops,
and we'll be following the continued actions of ICE in
Chicago and other places. Yeah, and we will continue to
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talk about stuff after these ads.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
All right, and we are back.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
MEA was talking about rapid responders there, and I want
to talk a little bit about one of the tools
that they were using, which was called People over Papers.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
There are many of these apps that have sprung up.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
The January of this year rate since we saw much
more visible immigration enforcement on the streets. Padlet, which was
the I guess bulletin board type service that was People
over Papers relied on, has removed People over Papers rights
say it violated their terms of service. The removal comes
just a few days after a Laura Luma tweet which
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tag the CEO claimed that People over Papers was violating
the terms of service by quote harassment, stalking, privacy violations,
inciting violence, and other unlawful activity. Luma there is noting
things in the terms of service she perceives people to
be doing with People over Papers, right y. This has
happened after another of these apps, ice Block, was removed
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from app stores last week, also involved some Luma posting. Notably,
Tricia McLachlin, the DHS Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs, has
claimed and this is in contravention of what's widely held
to be caught precedent the Lord. She has claimed that
videotaping ice agents is doxing them, and separately, Christie nom
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has claimed that doxing is an act of violence. We
can join the two dots there. Videotaping ice agents is
an act of violence to what's being suggested here. We
can see the consequences of this argument in the deportation
of Atlanta Area report on Mario. Mario was held for
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more than one hundred days in detention. He was arrested
a No King's Day protest if you can remember, back
back when people were doing those things, but the charges
against him were dropped. However, since then the government has
argued that his filming of law enforcement constitutes a threat
to public safety. Mara has now been deported back to
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El Salvador. He's an Atlanta Area reporter and like I
guess two editorialize, it would be really nice to see
a fraction of the advocacy we saw for Jimmy Kimmel
as someone who's actually doing reporting right, not just trying
to be funny.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
He's not as big as Jimmy Kimmel. There's never as
any followers.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Yeah, yeah, but he's also been sent to El Salvador,
whereas Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Was sent back to his mansion in Hollywood.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Eggs.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Yeah, exactly, for like less than a week. So I'm
going to link in the show notes both to an
avacy campaign and the freem of the Press Foundation piece
about Mario, and you guys can check that out if
you'd like to.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Second character for this week is Tom Hohman.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
You guys will remember Tom Horman Bordizar, a guy who famously,
well relatively recently, has become famous for scenically accepting a
bag with fifty thousand dollars of cash in it in
an FBI sting operation. Let's play this clip of Pam Bondy,
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who is answering questions in front of Congress here about
what happened to the literal bag of cash?
Speaker 8 (37:01):
What became of the fifty thousand dollars in cash that
the FBI paid to mister Homan in a paper bag?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Evidently, oh my god, Tom and Jerry asked shit.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
She's looking through her notes right now. She's selected the
page Senator.
Speaker 13 (37:27):
As Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche recently stated the investigation
of mister Homan was subjected to a full review by
the FBI agents and DOJ prosecutors. They found no credible
evidence of any wrongdoing.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
And that was not my question. My question was what
became of the fifty thousand dollars in cash that the
FBI delivered evidently in a paper bag to mister Homan.
Speaker 13 (37:54):
Senator, I look at your facts.
Speaker 8 (38:01):
Are you saying that they did not deliver fifty thousand
dollars in cash to mister home snitor?
Speaker 13 (38:04):
As recently stated, the investigation and mister Homan was subjected.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
To a full re question by FBI.
Speaker 13 (38:11):
Agents, that's by Department of Justice prosecutors. They found no
evidence of wrongdoing.
Speaker 8 (38:19):
That's a different question. What became of the fifty thousand dollars?
Did the FBI get it back?
Speaker 13 (38:26):
Mister white House? Excuse me, Senator white House. You're welcome
to talk to.
Speaker 8 (38:29):
The FBI the report to you. Can't you answer this question?
Speaker 6 (38:34):
First of all, this guy's name is mister white House.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Yeah, Na, Senator white House, Charrison. That surely is a
little confuser, maybe against some emails for the wrong person.
Sheldon white House apparentes.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Theoretically, if he got a job for the administration, his
email will be white House at white House dot gov.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Yes, that's cool.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Yeah, Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that's happen given the
line of questioning that he pursued here. But yeah, you
can hear Retchie. She seems to be unwilling to answer
where the paper bag of cash money, yeah, has gone.
Incredible stuff, beca it's easier to lose that than you'd
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think you. One would assume that the FBI would have
some kind of tracking capability when giving someone fifty thousand
dollars in a paper bag, But here we are.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Maybe it's a no country for all mint kind of situation.
Whoever found it was smart enough to dumb transponder first.
We will probably never know if they're smart. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Well, building on that, what Pro Publicer is now reporting
is that Homan went into business with a Pennsylvania consultant
named Child Soul, and that Soul has been offering consoles
on how to obtain contracts a Department of Homeland Security.
So Homan consulted for Soul's firm during the Biden administration,
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and during that same period, So became the chair of
Homan's Border nine one one foundation. According to their reporting,
Pro Publica has called into question the extent to which
Homan has actually recused himself from contracts, saying that he
participated in meetings with executives about government contracting plans. So
normally a government official would be bound to steer clear
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of their former business associates for at least a year
when they enter office. Right, I can't consult for Garrison Inc.
And then become procurement for DHS and immediately buy one
thousand of whatever Garrison Inc.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
Is selling?
Speaker 6 (40:35):
You can?
Speaker 4 (40:35):
You can tag Garrison on a blue sky where they
will read what you think they're selling.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
If this will result in me getting fifty thousand dollars
in a paper bag, then you know, maybe.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Yeah, in this instance, I would be the one getting
the fifty thousand dollars from Garrison Inc. In return for
buying whatever it is that you are selling orbs.
Speaker 6 (40:54):
Maybe yeah, that's not a great deal.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
Yeah, yeah, I did.
Speaker 11 (40:57):
Well.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Seems like it was a great deal in this instance
for a Tom Holman.
Speaker 12 (41:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Well.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Their reporting suggests that Horman went from a relatively modest
income in twenty seventeen to being a multimillionaire by the
time he filed his twenty twenty five disclosed your documents.
When you assume federal office that you have to file
these disclosure documents, disclose your assets. I guess the famous
one is Jimmy Carter's peanut farm. But it seems that
during that time his personal network increased significantly. Right, he
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did a lot of consulting. He became like a talking
head on Fox News in the Biden administration. It's difficult
to summarize the intricacies of history. I encourage you to
read it. For instance, of the third person called Mark Hall,
who appears to be doing some work on behalf of Homan,
but also retaining relationship with Soul's clients, it looks a
lot like what's happening is that the people who Homan
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had been doing consulting with and now trying to make
money saying that they have act special access to DHF
based off that consulting. This kind of builds on some
of the stuff that we'd already seen and spoken about
last week. Right finally, on the immigration beat, I want
to talk about a case where the petitioner's attorney has
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stated that the petitioner I'm not going to name the person,
I don't think it's necessary, was taken to hospital by
CBP after they severely injured his leg on a raid
in a car wash in Carson, California. He was booked
into the hospital under a pseudonym and kept there under
armed guard from August to twenty seventh until October fourth.
Speaker 10 (42:31):
Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Yeah, so this person, they weren't coming up in the
detainee locator, right. They hadn't apparently been allocated in a number,
which is what you would normally used to look someone
up on the ICE detainee locator. And I guess the
argument there was that they weren't booked in until they
left the hospital. So this person basically disappeared for more
than a month. Yeah, the judges granted that petitioner an
attentive restraining order in that instance, right, But I think
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this I have been receiving a lot of mess about
a Chicago older person who was detained by ICE at
a hospital, and I have seen a number of reports
that suggest that that's because Ice were detaining people in
the hospital. To my knowledge, the only person they detained
in the hospital was the older person. They were not
detaining patients at the hospital. They were there because they
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had bought somebody to the hospital in order for that
person to be a patient. Because that person was in
their detention in their care and needed medical assistance. I
have seen outlets I don't should I name them, like
Democracy Now got this wrong and so that they were
arresting people. So like Democracy Now is one example, right,
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I have seen outlets reporting this as ICE were in
the hospital detaining people. Nothing I have seen leads me
to believe that, and lots of things I have seen
leave me not to believe that. It doesn't mean it's
great for the people who are bought into hospital by ICE,
and sure it fucking sucks. I'm sure it has a
chilling effect on other people going to hospital to know
that they are there.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
But so does.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Reporting that suggests that you can be picked up in
hospital if you're an impatient or if you're in the
emergency room. That stops people accessing medical care, that actively
puts people in danger. We need to be really, really
fucking careful when sharing this shit. That includes people who
are journalists or claiming to be journalists.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
People are so upset, rightly so with what ICE is
doing that there can be this attitude and I've encountered
before of like, well, by undercautioning people, that's the biggest risk,
And it's like not when we're talking about whether or
not people go to the hospital for life saving care.
I'm sorry, it's just not like these are not equivalent risks.
More people are going to be in a position where
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they would be scared off from going to the hospital
and not in any danger from ice going to it,
than might possibly be in danger going to the hospital. Like,
you're just endangering people by trying to get them to
believe it is not safe for them to go receive
life saving emergency medical care at this stage. Now, is
it possible that's going to change? Good? God, I'm certainly
not going to say no, right, I'm certainly not going
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to say no one hundred percent, but that's not where
we are right now. Just overcautioning people is not a
net good in this instance. Yeah, absolutely, times it is,
but not here because again, if people don't go to
the hospital on time, they die.
Speaker 8 (45:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
Yeah, And I'm aware of cases where people with genuinely
life threatening medical emergencies have been had to be persuaded
to go to the hospital by people right because they
had seen this. Because these rooms don't just spread via
social media built by WhatsApp groups and things, and it
can be very scary for people.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Well, and people largely construct their beliefs on reality by
like what the weight of the people that they know
directly or follow are saying is true. And when you
see fifty people, some of them you kind of know,
some of them you've at least followed to an extent online,
all say this is unsafe. Then there's a tendency to
get really angry when people are like, well, I don't know,
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maybe it doesn't actually.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
Yeah, Like I mean, like I care about the safety
of migrantes in this country. I think anyone who looked
at a totality of my work would believe that, right, Like,
it's ludicrous to suggest otherwise. That means I want them
to go to hospital when they're fucking sick. And that
means that people who are saying things that are not true.
I understand why, right it lines up with the other
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things that we know to be true. ICE is doing
terrible shit. Shit is terrible, but it is still an
area where we need to exercise extreme caution when reporting
on things until we know that it is true that
I so are coming in to hospital and taking people
out of the beds, which again not a thing that
I think is happening. Let's pivot a little bit to
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public lands and think that I think about a lot
that we don't always report on here, but that I
think is very important. I want to talk about the
Roadless Rule today. So September saw the end of the
comment period. It was a very short comment period on
the Trump administration's proposal to rescind the Roadless Rule. The
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Roadless Rule, if you're not familiar, protects over fifty d
eight point eight million acres of national forest land from roadbuilding, logging,
and other industrial activity. According to the Center for Western Priorities,
ninety nine percent of the comments submitted, of which there
were more than one hundred and eighty thousand, were opposed
to rescinding the rule. Right, the reads rule has previously
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had broad bipartisan support.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
It was not a particularly controversial thing.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
Agriculture Sexuary Brook Rollins announced a proposal early in the summer,
saying it would increase logging and decrease wildfire risk. Research
suggests that the opposite is true. Cutting roads into forests
provides more ignission opportunities. Right By allowing people to go
into those forests, you allow those people to do things
which lead to fires happening. Right, their cars overheat they
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smoke cigarettes, they fucking shoot steel targets in the middle
of the summer.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
I mean, we just had a guy brought in for
the Palisade fires and he was like a twenty nine
year old uber driver who was having clearly a bad
mental health day, called in after he set a fire,
but kind of made weird denials about it and then
like flood to Florida and it kind of just looks
like he was listening to a song where there were
people lighting fires and decided to light a fire and
(48:12):
it got way out of control, way too quickly. Yeah,
and it wasn't even the same night, Like it took
like a week because like they put out the initial fire,
but it kept burning through thick underbrush which eventually got
real hot. That's my understanding based on the articles that
I've read. But like, yeah, it's it's I mean, in
that case, it's just a guy who's not super well.
Speaker 11 (48:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (48:33):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
And like the other thing that cutting grows will do
is it will change the foliage. Right, You'll cut down
the big trees and you'll have smaller shrubs and that
those are easier to burn the big trees.
Speaker 8 (48:43):
Right.
Speaker 4 (48:44):
The wilderness society has some data on this. I think
they found that forestwich roads were four times more likely
to have fires. I will link to that Wilderness Society data.
And the road rule was passed under the Clinton admin
and it's being rescinded as part of a March executive
which sought to increase US timber production. I want to
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note that there will not be guys with chainsaws rolling
into your favorite national forest like next week or next month,
right Like building these roads would have to be financed
by the United States Forest Service, which is of course
currently well. If you go on the forest website, forest
Service website will tell you that radical left Democrats have
shut down the federal government right now in a pop
up but we did it, guys. Yeah, so the Forest
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Service finally coming out against the work left. But yeah,
the Forest Service would have to finance these and it's
currently understaffed because of the voluntree and DOGE based layoffs.
It's not particularly well funded. I don't see the Forest
Service going in for a lot of road construction, but
it might be wrong. Right Trump Kelly seems to see
not importing timber as a major issue. I'm not quite
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sure why. Like I guess this was an issue in
Britain when they had to respond to the Spanish Armada
cut down a lot of trees back then. Not familiar
with very similar Yeah, yeah, national security issue.
Speaker 5 (50:01):
I think we can agree right to Spanish.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
I mean, I'm just excited that now I can finally
drive my ATV through these you know, environmentally protected area
damn right garrison without getting harassed by the park ser.
Speaker 5 (50:13):
Yeah woke left.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
I'm gonna be the drunkest guy on an ATV and
Joshua tree, I'm gonna drive straight for the biggest tree
I can find. Anything over a thousand years old is
fair game for my bumper.
Speaker 5 (50:25):
Baby's hit close to home if I I'm sorry, James.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
James is seething right now, James Jessu is going to
fucking cut me.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
If I see anyone stealing or destroying a Joshua tree,
I will.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
I would never harm a Joshua tree. I would never
harm a Joshua tree. There's one kind of tree I
will harm, in discriminately, into tree of paradise. But that's
good for the environment. But those trees kill them wherever
you find them.
Speaker 4 (50:49):
I think the only Joshua tree it's okay to hate
is the album by you two.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Yeah, that's also burn every copy of the album Joshua
Tree that yeah, I'm okay with destroy raise it from
the inn for those within ATV.
Speaker 5 (51:01):
Yeah, I wouldn't mind if that became extinct. Why not?
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (51:06):
May you want to talk about tariffs. We're talking about timber,
and of course there has been recently a tariff on
Canadian lumber woke trees coming in from our neighbors to
the north. So sorry, that's why we need to destroy
our national forests.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I mean, Canada kinda is destroying theirs and they still
have trees the export.
Speaker 5 (51:23):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 4 (51:24):
I guess one thing I haven't said about public land
that you should always say when you're talking about public
land is that it's all native land actually, and the
framing of public land is a place for white folks
to recreate. It's not the correct framing. It's not how
we win this fight.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
And no, and you should also if you care about
not just the damage that fires do, but conservation in general,
and you ever eat the opportunity to go through like
up here in the Pacific Northwest, you can go through
chunks of the forest that are managed by the state,
and that are managed by the Bureau of Land Management,
and then you can go through chunks of forests that
are managed by the indigenous communities, and the way in
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which forests are managed is very different. Yeah, in a
way that one is the right way to do it,
and the other two arts yeah.
Speaker 5 (52:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (52:06):
This is land that was all stolen from its indigenous
stewards by means of genocide, and we should give it back.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
And it's not just a matter of that's the the
right thing to say, but also that is the right
way to preserve those lands.
Speaker 4 (52:22):
Yeah, the people who've been in stewardship of those lands
so much longly than America has been a country.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Anyway. Watch the I think nineteen ninety one movie Clearcut,
which is set in Canada. But a fucking banger, real
good movie.
Speaker 5 (52:33):
Check it out.
Speaker 4 (52:34):
I don't know if those two things are compatible. What
Canada and a banga. Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
It's it's it's a it's about an indigenous activist and
a white lawyer.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
Who you don't like cronin what's wrong with.
Speaker 5 (52:50):
He's fighting this movies.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
It's it's really good. It's about this like liberal white
lawyer who's fighting like a logging company and this indigenous
activist who takes him and kidnaps the head of the
logging company and takes them into the forest. And that's
all I'll tell you about the movie. It is a
fucking banger.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
I don't go on this podcast make fun of your
own country, Garrison Davis.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
You will all by the way, like Clearcut, watch that
fucking movie it Yeah, tariff talk, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (53:23):
What movie tariff? Look at that for fucking segue. Yeah,
rocking jazz, rocking jazz pot sorry lock.
Speaker 4 (53:37):
Rocking jazz, rocking jazz bo.
Speaker 5 (53:42):
Okay.
Speaker 10 (53:42):
In Lightning Round, we have huge we have two pivot
points here. We're gonna go for the timber pivot instead
of the movie pivot. Okay, So Lightning Round. Trump is
imposing a ten percent tariff on softwood lumber, a twenty
five percent tariff on upholstered furniture, and twenty five percent
tariff on kitchen cabinets in vanities.
Speaker 6 (54:05):
Ikea is the thing.
Speaker 4 (54:06):
Ikea is Tyas Shay's long industry is collapsing in Canada
as we speak.
Speaker 10 (54:12):
Yeah, so this is this is going to be in
effect October fourteenth. Get him now, and then also these
tariffs are scheduled to increase at the beginning of next year.
The upholstered furniture tariffs are increasing to thirty percent, and
the kitchen cabinet and vanity tariffs are increasing to fifty
percent at the beginning of next year.
Speaker 4 (54:31):
Oh yeah, the idea that there's a vanity tariff is
very funny to me, like a now, but just like
as a concept.
Speaker 10 (54:39):
Yeah, people, these are nominally lumber industry tariffs. I think
there's some kind of housing development brain inside of Trump's
head rattling around as to why there's suddenly tariffs on
vanities and upultered furniture. Who knows, baffling. The Canadian government
has been attempting to lift the tariffs. It has not worked.
(55:00):
Snociations once again failed today, which is October eighth. Okay,
bouncing from that to something that's also very important, Blashet
Waite and I feeling more important. So one of the
issues with the current government shutdown is the threat to
the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, infants and Children,
which is normally called WIC. The RECU funding is extraordinarily
(55:25):
important because it feeds several million people. And okay, this
story is very very weird because we haven't gotten any
direct thing about how this would work outside of the
Press secretary saying it. But the Press Secretary is saying
that Trump is going to fund this program with the
(55:48):
money from one of the tariff programs. Now, it is
worth noting that this is just very unconstitutional, exceptionally unconstitutional.
Is a violation of the part of the operation of
powers where they say that Congress is the thing that
the levy's tax doesn't decide where the money goes. But
it's also it's not clear if this is even happening
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or how it could even remotely happen, but it is
being reported. The WIC has been a program that Trump
has been using to push his narrative about the government
shut down.
Speaker 4 (56:19):
Yeah, I think forty percent of children are on WICK
right now. Like, this is an extremely important program. It's
one of those things where like again, there was complete
biparties and support apart aside from complete lunatics until very
like you would never have heard like a fuck Wick statement.
It's done a lot of good for a lot of
(56:40):
people who need a lot of help. I did see
a statement from the Wick Council that basically asserted that like, look,
we'd be excited if you would keep us keep Wick funded,
but using tariff money, it's not a sustainable or like
reliable approach to do this. Just just fund it by
playing for government program to the youthul way.
Speaker 8 (57:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (57:02):
So, the other major tariff news that we have is basically,
for the last couple of weeks, Trump has been threatening
to impose one percent tariffs on pharmaceuticals. This was originally
supposed to go into effect in October first, and then
Trump started cutting a bunch of deals with drug manufacturers
to exchange sort of lower price agreements. And also, and
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this is the major significant element, as we've seen with
the whole bunch of companies that have made deals with
Trump pledges of large scale investments in US manufacturing and production.
These tariffs have sort of been staved off, and the
administration is now saying that they won't do it because
they don't need to because they have resear gavings for
drug companies. Pfizer was the first major company to sign
(57:47):
a deal. This has been part of an initiative called
Trump RX, which is supposedly coming in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (57:56):
Man.
Speaker 10 (57:57):
Yeah, and the plan is to have to reck to
consumer drug sales by forcing these companies to give the
US Most Favored Nation status, which like basically the thrust
of this is giving specifically this trump are X thing,
the prices that these drug companies charged to undeveloped countries. However,
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and this is extremely important to not being reported very much.
Trump ore Rex. Assuming this comes program comes into being,
you can't use insurance on it is only you can
only buy drugs off there. You would only be able
to buy drugs off there without insurance. So it probably
doesn't lower your drug costs at all if you have
really any kind of.
Speaker 4 (58:36):
Insurance, certainly lowers that cost your insurance company has to pay,
right like, if you're insured.
Speaker 5 (58:41):
Badly, Yeah, right, you know.
Speaker 10 (58:43):
And so the actual good that this could even potentially do,
I think is very very limited. Yeah, but that's sort
of what's going on. This is the part of the initiative.
If you see people talking about how he's lowering drug prices,
it's specifically for this weird trump are X thing, which
again you can't use insurance to use. So there's been
a few other tariffs that he's talked about, and I
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kind of want to set a spectrum of how real
a tariff is because there's a whole bunch of different
kinds of teriffs that Trump announces and then nothing happens one. So,
for example, you can have a kind of tariff where
he announces on social media, but there's no date. Right,
So one hundred percent tariff on four and made movies.
This is the second time he's talked about it. There's
(59:24):
never been a date attached to it. It seems to
be something that he tweets about and then forgets about.
It never happens. On the more real end, there are
tariffs like the one that is currently being proposed as
twenty five percent tariff on heavy trucks that's supposed to
go into effect in November first, but there is no
executive order, so that one we can't treat as real
(59:46):
as for example, the lumber tariffs, which have an executive order,
although also again you have to wait for these to
actually go into effect, which which would be category sort
of three and four. Are is there an executive order
and has the date of these executive order doing the
thing passed? So we have a couple of floating tariffs.
From there, we have those twenty five percent tariffs on
(01:00:08):
heavy trucks, which are supposed to go into efect November first,
assuming it's an executive order. We have this film.
Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Tariff, which is the was the scariest tariff by far
one tariffs on foreign made films.
Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
What are they tariffing that have to.
Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Hoist the black flag again?
Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
My friends don't know has any idea what that meants?
We have no absolutely not. We have no clue how
this is no detasfled. Okay, he just said film Okay, sick. Good.
Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
I'm glad that everyone's equally clear on that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Get back to torrenting Babel.
Speaker 10 (01:00:37):
I think I think the final thing we should talk
about is so on November fifth, the Supreme Court is
going to start hearing the case against a bunch of
the tariffs that Trump has been doing. We've talked about
this before. The Trump administration has also stated that even
if these terriffs are found on constitutional, they are going
to continue to apply tariffs themselves using other laws.
Speaker 5 (01:00:55):
That's good.
Speaker 10 (01:00:56):
Even if they lose the Supreme Court case, that doesn't
mean that all the terriffs are suddenly just not going
to happen anymore. He will probably try to reimpose a
whole bunch of them under different terror authority and we'll
go through this whole process again. But yeah, this is
this has been, this has been terriff.
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