January 22, 2025 • 46 mins
James is joined by Margaret Killjoy to talk about evacuating from wildfires and what to put in your go bag.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All the media.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hi everyone, and welcome to the podcast. I was going
to go for a really Robert Evans intro there, but
I bottled it. I own a coward and I couldn't
do it.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I hate all of you.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It's Margaret Kiljoy, everyone here to spread the good news.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I was trying to rap at Evans that.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh, okay, yeah, and it doesn't he only hate a
certain percentage of them, all right, Statistically speaking.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
He likes some of you.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah, And because I know some nice people list in
there Robert likes. Maybe it's you, maybe it's not. You'll
never know. Today we're not here to talk about who
Robert Evans likes. But we are here to talk about
what to do if your house is going to burn
down or you have to leave because they think it
might burn down. This is obviously a topic that is
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front of mind for people in southern California currently, given
the massive wildfires that have engulfed whole neighborhoods of Los Angeles.
There are fires in Ventura and Start as well. Now
the whole of East County San Diego is under a
red flag warning. Fire conditions continue because climate change continues,
and we have decided as a society not to do
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anything about that, and so this shit is going to
be the rest of our lives.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
If you're on the East Coast or somewhere else and
you're like, oh, I'm fine, I'm not on the West Coast,
bad news for you. You're not fine. Slowly, more and
more the East Coast, including the northeast, is being seen
as a fire prone area, and we're seeing an increase
in fire out east as well.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeap, the United Kingdom as wildfires now a thing did
not exist.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Do you all even have wild over there?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah? We have like land owned by the monarch fires,
we have like parks and protected land. We don't really have.
We have commons to a degree, but not not like
public land of the US does. Like when I was
a kid, we used to burn the stuff into draw fields.
Like that's how how a few fucks we gave about fires.
We just burn it in a plat back in and
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air quality. I guess that is not a thing that
people engage in anymore.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
That's probably for the best.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Fire it's coming for you. It's happening everywhere. Hooray, hooray. Yeah,
lucky you. The cleansing fire. I feel like there's a
John Betchaman poem I could go off with here, but
I'll spare you all right. So, if you are in
a place where you are very likely to have to
evacuate your home soonish for a fire, here are some
things that you may wish to consider doing. I've harvested
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these from mutual a groups in LA and from the
Cowfire website, where they give you advice on what to
do if you're evacuating. The first thing that you want
to do is turn off your gas. For those of
you who are not familiar, this is a flammable substance,
and your gas pipe rupturing and then catching on fire
would be bad, would be sad. It's pretty easy to
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do this. Normally, you should have a valve near the meter.
Some places we'll have what's called earth quake shut off
or an earthquake valve where you won't need a tool.
I'm not sure that. In fact, i'm pretty certain those
are not mandatory, even in California, because I've lived places
that don't have them. Then again, there are things that
are mandatory that landlords just aren't doing. I think we
all know that.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, or like grandfathered into or whatever. M hmm yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, given that people outside California are listening and the
earthquakes are are fortunately not coming for us all just yet,
I would just suggest that you try and find where
your gas shut off is now. It's often where the
gas comes into the property, like there's a gas meter,
and normally you're going to need some kind of tool
to term that. What I've used normally is just like
an adjustable spanner or wrench. For those of you in
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the United States.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
The people at California that you're talking to.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, yes, yeah, Hi, fellow Californians. You can turn that
valve so it turns parallel with the pipe. That's kind
of shut off the gas coming into your house.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Do you mean a perpendicular to the pipe. I'm curious.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I think parallel is shut off.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Interesting with water, you turn it off by moving a perpendicular.
I've never messed with a gas line. I've lived weird
and off grid instead.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, let me have a look. I'm checking now.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Sorry, it wants to be at ninety degrees to the pipe. Yeah,
so it should be in line with the pipe when
you start in ninety degrees to the pipe when you
turn it off, which you.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Can just kind of imagine as like when it's in line,
you can imagine like, oh, that's how the gas and
water can flow through, and then when it's to the side,
it's like, oh, now it's blocking it. That's how I yeah,
I remember.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
That's much easier visually if you imagine like the hole
in the valve lining up with the handle.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Thing on there.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, do you want to turn that off? I've seen
some suggestions that you want to turn water off. Generally,
the advice is not to turn your water off, and
to hook up your outdoor hoses to your outdoor taps
such that they can be used if they need to
be used. I have seen some suggestions to turn water
off because I guess people's pipes are bursting, which is
decreasing water pressure.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
And it seems like that's probably a like city versus
rural or like city the city kind of divide. You
should listen to your local authorities around this kind of thing, right,
Like in the case of California, you can go to
CalFire right and there will be evacuation advice on the
CalFire website.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
There might even be on your city website. Some of
it is useful. This is a useful thing if you
do need to turn off your water. Again, water shut
offs could be in a variety of places, so it
kind of depends. Especially if you're on a well, you're
probably row and if you're roll, you're probably going to
be leaving it on.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, you're probably turning off your water. Yeah, but if
you do need to do it's just a pipe going
into your basement that you turned it on.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
You can sometimes be at the side of your house.
You might need to give this a little bit of
WD forty. Sometimes do a little little plastic box as well,
and the little plastic box has a little hole and
you kind of have to shove a screwdriver in that
hole and pop it open.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
We're now talking about city water again, right, municipal water, Yes, yeah,
that's city water. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, that's where if you have a water meat box
it could and the shut offs in there. Familiarize yourself
with that stuff now so that you're not doing it
in a panic later, And that's kind of where a
lot of what we're talking about today is. It's important.
It's if you do it now, you don't have to
dash about your house grabbing thinking. It's just important do
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I need this?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Do I need that? Right?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Because like I've evacuated for wildfires living in California a
few times. I like to think I have it pretty
down now, but definitely the first time I was, you know,
freshly minted European migrant, it was not familiar with this stuff,
and it definitely just ran around grabbing things.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
So it turned out to be the wrong thing.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
It's like, cool, I've got three bicycles here, let me
let me go to the shelter.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
And you can get something called a water key or
a silcock key. And I have a thing I have
not personally used it. I have a thing called an
eight way key. Sometimes they are called four way keys,
depends on how many little wrenches on them are on them.
And these are just cheap things that have like basically
all of the weird wrench style things that you would
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never otherwise use, like all the weird like triangle things.
They can get you into like the boxes on a
subway car, and they can turn on and off water,
like I carry one in case you know, you're in
the apocalypse and you need to turn on the water
at a rest area, you know, that kind of thing.
I've first learned about this from squatters, so it would
just move into houses and then turn the water on.
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And they they're built in specialized ways to try and
prevent squatter from doing exactly what I'm describing.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, so you couldn't use your standard socket set or
what happens. So that's where you need these specialized keys. Yeah,
and they're not very expensive you can buy.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
They're also not very high quality. This isn't the kind
of thing you're going to want to use over and
over again. They're usually cast and like they break, it's
like pot metal. Yeah exactly. Yeah, but they're are right
as far as I can tell. Yeah, and any you
hope you're not going to need to use them very much.
Other things that you should turn on or off, turn
off your air conditioning. No one's in the house anyway,
don't need it. I would consider leaving your exterior lights on.
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This is just going to help firefight to see things
and see your house in the event that your house
is still there. You can close your windows and doors.
It's amazing how much difference closed doors even internally make
it in fire spread that There are plenty of videos
you can watch about this online, but like it's amazing
how much difference it makes having those closed. But you
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don't want to lock your front door like you're going
to see a lot of stuff about looting. I will
tell you right now that the people who are looting
from wildfire survivors are the landlords who are charging one
hundred and fifty percent of the rent that they were
a month ago for people to find a flaceplace to live. Also,
if my house is about to burn down and you
go steal all my stuff, good have it?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah yeah, lucky you like I hope you don't get burned,
like yeah, yeah, compared to if a firefighter needs to
enter that house to prevent it burning down. It takes
a meaningful amount of time to break down a door, yeah,
and you can save that time by leaving it open.
So yeah, that is something that I think you will
get the wrong impression of if you're watching too much
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corporate news. If you can close metal shutters on your
windows but remove curtains, flammable things near windows generally not
a good idea, right, that makes sense. So if you've
got fabric curtains, I know they look nice, but take
them down. But you could just live like me and
never purchase curtains and just I don't have to have
the sun in your face. You know what is happening
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to right now? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah, we're going to start a whole interior design thing.
And when I see James interior design where you hang
your curtains.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, James's effectively squatting in a house that he actually rents.
You should also move flammable items into the middle of
the room again, right, that's where the fire is not.
And then before you go, choose an outfit that covers
your legs and arms. Right, and you want to wear
some sturdy shoes as well, something that's comfortable, something you
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could potentially sleep in and wear for a few days
and not be uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Shoes that you could walk in. Right.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
We saw a lot of people in la weren't able
to take their vehicles as far as they had expected
to be able to, and so having a pair of
shoes that you're comfortable in, your nice, comfy walking shoes
is definitely a useful thing to have something to think about.
I hope you're not listening to this dashing around your
house if you are, best of luck, Yeah, yeah, but
you know you can prepare all this stuff now for
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the outside of your house. Flammable stuff that might catch
outside your house is best either bought inside inside your
shed if you have a shed or a garage or something,
or in a particularly California piece of advice, CalFire suggests
chucking your path to your furniture in the pool. So
that is the thing that you can do. That makes
some sense, it does. Have you seen the picture of
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this lady in the nineties who put all her fine
china in her swimming pool before evacuating in a wildfire.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Oh that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, it's very like of the time, Like it was
a time when people could afford swimming pools, and also
people had china that they cared about, which is something
that our generation generally does not.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Unless they inherited it from their parents, and in which
case they still also yeah right they have like one plate.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Apparently it's a big issue
with people like inheriting china and not want to get
in and just dumping on good wiels.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah I believe that.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, I can see that. So, yeah, you can put
stuff in your pool if you don't want to burn.
If it is possible for you to do that you
have something you mentioned Margaret about you your fence right
living in a more rural setting.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, can I actually just kind of like really quickly
run through some if you fire protecting your house. There's
two things you're gonna do. One is the oh, I'm
going to run away now version, and then there's the
ahead of time version. The really quick basic version of
the ahead of time is that, and this is more
applicable rurally. But you want to have a defensible space.
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You know, everyone's going to give you a different number,
but like one hundred feet from your house. You don't
want densely packed trees, especially conifers, and you're gonna want
you know, the one tree is okay as long as
it's a little bit further from the other. You're gonna
want to clear out yard debris, even though leaving leaves
on the ground is overall good, kind of want to
create this space where there's not a lot of leaf
litter and things like that directly under your house so
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that the eaves don't catch. You want to make sure
that you don't keep a lot of flammable stuff there.
And if like if I was fleeing my house in
a hurry, I would be pulling all the stuff away
from under the eaves that I should have pulled away
from under the eaves months ago. If I were to
design my house better, there would be a basically a
three foot like gravel line around the edge of my
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house right of landscaping. Yeah, But the other things that
you're going to want to do is you're going to
want to look for how embers can get in through
the vents and stuff like in your roof area or
under wherever. And you're gonna want to basically make sure
and it might already have that, but you want to
make sure that there's tighter than chicken wire. I think
it's I think you want quarter inch mesh covering those things.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, like construction netting. Yeah, well metal, but yeah, it's
metals the name of it. Oh okay, it's what they
put into concrete. I think I use it to build
chicken Oh yeah, runs for some reasons. Well, yeah, because
raccoon hans can't get through it, and raccoons they're bastards
as it turns out.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah, that makes sense. If your porch is wooden, you
have a porch, you don't want fire to get underneath it,
and so you can keep your wooden porch, but you
want to screen off underneath of it to keep flaming
debris from going under there. And then if you have
a wooden fence, consider having the first ten feet or
so of the fence the brick or something like that.
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I can't afford this, but imagine you can. Then you
would want the first chunk of it to be that way.
If you have gates, you open them. The deal with
fences and everything is that you don't want like a
wick that brings fire to your house. So if the
forest around you is burning, you don't want it to
catch your fence and have that go right up to
under the eaves, catch the eaves on fire. And now
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I you have a structure fire. So what you're gonna
do is you open the gates if you're leaving. And then,
for example, my plan, because I have a wooden fence
that goes all the way up to my house, is
that if I have more than like five minutes to
flee a fire, by a half an hour to flee
a fire, I am taking the chainsaw and I am
cutting down about ten feet of that wooden fence before
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I leave, And that should dramatically increase the chances that
my house will survive a fire. Yeah, smart move. And
then another thing with a pool thing, And I think
I've read about, but I've never there's no version of
my life where I'm ever gonna have a pool if
you live in a fire prone area. They actually make
pumps that are designed to pump your pool water into
a fire hose, and they have saved a lot of
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rural areas and probably city areas too by having that
accessible to firefighters. Immediately, your pool can become a resource
for the people who are coming in to try and
keep your house intact.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, amusingly, we use one of those. When I was
a kid, we had a whole wow like to get out,
and one day she got out. We all went looking
for of course, there were some wealthy people who like well,
they didn't live in the village that we lived in.
They owned it because Britain has never moved on from
this Ugal era, and they had a pool and that
that was where our horse was. And so the fire
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brigade came and they used one of those things, just
pumped out the water and just like host down the
surrounding garden. And then we came with the tractor and
we put some different strawbeles of different sizes, made a
set of stairs and got her out.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
That's the least relatable story I've ever heard about England.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
It's in yeah, just like a rural people living the dream. Yeah,
she was a good horse, misty. Yeah, we had a
lot of horses that, like, we had access to land
and not a great deal of finances, so we inherited
problematic horses. I think for people who had like who
had the means to purchase.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
That is relatable to the Americans. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, any people find themselves in this situation, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah. Horse poor is a whole thing. Yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, Yeah, it's it's the rich people who buy fancy
horses and then like find the horse not to their
liking and can afford to discard a living thing spent
more than a car is worth on.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Well and also, I mean, horse poor is you have
a horse, but you don't have any money, and you're like,
you're partly poor because you have the horse. Because horses
are incredibly expensive to ye maintain, Yes, they are. Vets
cost a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah anyway, so yeah, make sure not quite a horse relation.
But if you are more of a horseless carriage transport person.
If you are, this is a very American thing. In
possession of an electric garage door opener, it is a
good idea to work out how to open your garage
without that. Yeah, because you don't want to be in
a situation where you can't use your vehicle because you
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can't open your garage, or you don't want to be
dashing around going where's the bloody cord? Not the time, Yeah,
so work out how to do it now. Also, your
front gate. Hopefully you don't live in a gated community.
It's not the way to live. But if you do,
for whatever reason, you know, know how to open the gates.
Or if you have an electric front gates, you're drive
I suppose know how to open that, Margaret. Now will
be a good time for us to pause for ads.
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I wonder if we will get an advert for electric
garage doors.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Or electric horse. Oh yeah, maybe do they dream of
electra care.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
We'll find out in its advertising break. All right, we
are back, and we're continuing on the theme of animals
because they are.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Our little friends.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, So if you have animals inside your house, pets
We have farm animals inside my house growing up, so
I guess it's not exclusive to pets. Used to bring
the lambs in when it was cold, little often lambs. Again,
this is turning into like James story.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
That's okay, it's cute stories.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
People who are in possession of a range, like like
a big cooking if you have a very old house
in the UK, or again if you're rich, you have
these like coal burning or oil burning ovens, so they
stay at his temperature, and they have a number of doors.
The coldest one you can put a lamb in there
in the winter time and you can keep it warm
that way.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Like in a live one.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah yeah, yeah, well I mean any of them. You
can put a dead one in if you felt the knee.
If you look at you're saying okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. If you're looking to take care of your animal,
you put them in there and keep the More so,
if you have pets in your house, things to do
before you evacuate would be make sure they have a
collar on which has your name and your contact information. Yeah.
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I'm a big fan of the breakaway collars, especially for dogs.
We never had collars on a dog showing up because
the dogs were always out in the fields and going
through hedges and stuff, and you don't want them to
get caught up. Yeah, and so I'm a big fan
of those, especially in a situation where your pet's going
to be scared. You know, God forbid that you'd lose
your pet goes running for a bit. You don't want
them to get caught up by that neckus.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
W'll probably want to chip your dog as you chip
your pets.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yes, yeah, I was going to say, now it's a
good time where you have the time to chip your pets,
to make sure you have a carrier, make sure you
have their vaccination records, all that.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Stuff, and also particularly the particularly rabies vaccination is like
the thing that you need to make sure that you
have with you. There's a lot of places you can't
go with a pet, like Canada unless you have Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, hopefully you and your pet will be fine, you'll
come home in a few days. But keeping that stuff
is important if you have a cat having a so
what you can buy those little mobile list of boxes.
If you're in danger of having to evacuate, just buy
one and check in your vehicle.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Now.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Of course, any medications that your pet has, right, you'll
want to have a supply of those and those who
want to be in your go back. It's also nice
to have some familiar toys and things that's not like home. Yeah,
so consider puting them in the carrier now, and then
they'll just be there and you won't have to look
for them. They have advice if you have to leave
your pet, which would be a pretty heartbreaking situation to
be honest.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah, I think that choosing to be in charge of
an animal's entire life is a pretty solemn vow.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yes, I would agree, and I don't think I would
leave them to burn.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I think, yeah, but I guess there's probably I mean,
you see, like for example, I know we're gonna talk
about livestock in a second, but like you know, people
have had to like let loose some of their horses
because they can only personally escort so many horses or whatever. Right.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, a few years ago, my friend and I were
in a situation where a stables had more horses than
it did vehicles. Yeah, and were able to go in
a vehicle with a towdruck and just help, Like they
would load them up and just be like go to
the evacuation point with these horses. Yeah, and so having
a plan.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
For that is good.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
But yeah, I know, I struggled be conceive of leaving pets.
I grew up with dogs and like they were part
of my family.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah. I suppose there's some situation I am not imagining
where it is literally a necessity, but I struggle to Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I heard about people in LA who were forced to
leave relatives who were not mobile, which is just fucking heartbreaking,
just you know, one of the worst things I could
imagine happening.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Which is literally why I actually think that your evacuation plans.
Not trying to blame those people that we're talking about,
but I believe that your evacuation plans need to include
people with disabilities who are in your area, not just
were you not just in your house, but elsewhere. Like yeah, hundred,
if you have someone who can only travel by a wheelchair,
then you should be considering for your only vehicle a
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wheelchair accessible vehicle. Like this is the kind of thing
that I think that, like plans need to include people
who are at different levels of ability.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, yeah, if you have older people in your neighborhood, Yeah,
people who might not have their cell phone on or
on them all the time. They might not get that
like beat beat buzz buzz.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Yeah. If you have like older folks who live alone
in your neighborhood, you should know that.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
You know, yeah, yeah, a few years ago I helped
some older neighbors evacuate.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yah.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
You live in a community and you need to take
responsibility and take care of one another. If you have
livestock again, like you know, I grew up with livestock,
I think you're taking responsibility for the animal's life, and
that includes situations where you might have to help that
animal escape in a way that leg is not necessarily
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like lucrative for you. Right, So that might just mean
opening your fences, right, opening your gates if you're not
able to evacuate them, or at least giving it a
chance you can before just to avoid having yourself in
that situation. Need to make transport arrangements. You should be
able to look where large animals refuges are, like San
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Diego in the big fires, maybe fifteen years ago, they
have them on Fiesta Island for a while. Little island
out in the bay or del Mar Race Course is
often a place of San Diego where you can take them.
You should be able to find that now, if you're
in Los Angeles, you can find that. Now. Again, you're
going to want to have your essential documentation. You are
not going to want nylon halters for your livestock. I've
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seen a lot of people have, Like people have nylon
lead ropes for horses. We had like more hempy ones
when I was younger, just because those a much left
likely to melt, right, So that's why we had them
in the UK. But we had them because we'd have
them for a long time. But plastic key things that
can melt. You don't want to put them around your
horse's head or near your horse.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Okay, that makes some sense.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, if you have chickens right now, you're going to
run into the issue of AV and flu. Oh yeah,
which is a further complications. So like this is a
scenario of like a big chicken shelter where you take
them is not a good one for AV you and
flu reasons also for like chicken dynamics reasons. So that
means you should make a plan. Now, you might have
a friend who you're like, hey, I know that you're
(23:13):
not normally a poultry person, but would it be cool
in the event of us having to evacuate for me
and my chickens to come and stay at your house.
Making a plan. Now, it's going to avoid you being
in a very difficult situation of either driving around with
your birds in your in your truck being like where
the fuck can I go? Or like being turned away
from places. Right. Yeah, The last thing I have here
and then we're going to move on to packing your
(23:34):
go bag is insurance. My house flooded when I was
a kid, Like, it completely leveled the first floor of
the house.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Everything was gone, which, since it's England, is actually the
second floor to Americans.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, it's true. It was actually the great Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I love to uh it's the ground the ground floor
you have to hide on the first thing.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I love to go into a lift and be confused
in this country after sixteen years of living here, go
up and down, up and down, playing this stupid game
until I google what do American call their flaws? And
you can't do it, so you're in the lift and
your phone doesn't work. It's one of my favorite experiences.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
It's because you try to google what do American lifts do?
And they're like What the fuck is a lik.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's true. Yeah yeah, an elevator. It's
not an elevating experience. Away my favorite thing to pick. James,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, it's true. Sure, I'm the only person who does it.
I'm sure it never happened to me.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, it was never an issue when I worked in
a building with a lift and would routinely miss my
own floor.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So that I just took the fire escape.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
So I remember it taking months the time I was
working in construction, and what we were doing was for
the most part, pulling wet carpet out of people's homes
that have flooded. Highly recommend not doing that as a
way to make a living if you can. It's not
good for the body, not good for the soul, for
the lung. It's probably cleaning out restaurants. Like a month
(24:57):
later the power had been off from month. Just going
into the walk in. Oh my god, I've never seen
so many people vomit, like one after the other being like, no,
I could do it. I'm a builder straight, Like, yeah,
pretty horrific. So don't recommend if you can go around
your house taking a video.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Of your yeah stuffs, it will.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Just make it easier, Like this happened to my family,
and like maybe you know, the early two thousands, so
it wasn't possible. Well, I mean I could have got
the old like Sony handicam out I didn't. So now
you know you have a video camera in your pocket
going around your house taking a video especially of you know,
the things that are expensive and hard to move that
(25:40):
you're going to rely on insurance to replace.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, and then this is actually a decent regular prepper
practice regardless. This isn't a like, oh I'm just about
to have to run out for a fire. This is
a like every six months or every year, or every
time you get a new, weird, expensive thing that you
put in your house, make this video so that it's
easier to prove all of the stuff that you had
that needs to be replaced. Yeah, if you do that
(26:02):
on a regular basis, there's a little bit of like
security of like where do you put it? Do you
really want? You know? But it's honestly, for almost all
people probably totally fine to just have that, yeah on
the cloud, Yeah yeah, I think I think it. Don't
put it on Facebook, but you can get it directly.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Ensure it's going to be your Instagram where you post
an interior video of your home every month. Yeah, that's
that's your thing. I guess join us next month for
behind the podcast. Yeah, podcast crips.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
It's just in my shed.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
It's me critiquing your interior you have. That would be
a weekly podcast for some time. Shame James and James
Shame podcasts la Things that I've heard people thinks that
you will need. If you have a nebulizer, if you're
a person who uses a nebulizer to help them breathe,
(26:51):
those are in very high demands. You're probably not going
to be able to replace it, so bring that with you.
If you have medications, ideally grab the meds in the
little orange thing and take those with you. That where
you've got the RX number and you can easily go
to a pharmacy and be like, hey, this is my
prescription for me. It has my name and the RX number.
Can you issue me an emergency supply? And that's something
(27:13):
they should be able to do. And also if you
grab the whole bottle, then you've got, you know, hopefully
a decent supply, Hopefully your insurance isn't annoying and only
lets you go three weeks at a time.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah, that's that comes up for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
But I will not name any companies because I think
it is against my contract to do that. I will
say that if you have like your important documents, right,
you're potentially your deed to your house, if you're own
on your car, your passport, your birth certificate is a
(27:44):
big one.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Yeah, you're right to be in this country.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, any dream card, visa, that kind of thing, especially
those in the after Well, this will come out in
the era of Trump two point zero. So those documents
are going to be very important for some people. Right,
you're darker registration, Put those in a file and grab
the whole thing, bring it with you.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Do not rely on.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Scan copies of those, especially your immigration documents. If you're
a person who has firearms, records of the serial numbers
of those are going to be useful. And again I
would just snap a picture. It's not reasonable or sensible
to be taking a lot of firearms with you in
a situation like this. You're not going to need them,
and there's.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Gona be a lot of places that you won't want
to bring them.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yes, you know, I would suggest locking them up and
like I say, documenting that you've done that, you may
have to prove at some point that firearm no longer exists,
and then they're probably the best way to do that.
And being prepared to travel on foot. Like I said,
another thing that people have been needing and not having
is P one hundred masks. So that's a particle filter
(28:50):
generally in the three M and I think the Honeywell
filters they're pink, so I'm talking about like a screw
in filter here, although they.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Do make P one hundred masks that are more like
they more like COVID masks. Yeah, they're just a little
bit thicker and yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah they're a little bit more sort of burdensome than
those masks, but that is what you need if you're
in those situations. Yeah, so if you have one of those,
I have ones like when I'm when I'm a poxying wood,
I have a little half face respirated I wear for that.
We will actually talk about masks, Margaret, after some of
the products and services support the show have talked about themselves.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
It'd be pretty sick of a honey Well. Yeah, yeah,
they'd be pretty small. Yep. All right, here we go.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
All right, we're back, thank you, honey. Well, yeah, well,
keeping us safe from here gas.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Although I'm kind of a three M girl, I gotta admit,
Oh controversial, Okay, I know. So. One of the things
I did during twenty twenty was a lot of testing
of protest care. And if you want to see, I've
written up a whole bunch of pieces about exactly everything
about masks in body armour and blah blah blah blah blah.
But in general, when you think about masks, there's sort
(30:05):
of three levels that actually are matter a useful. There's
the version that we kind of see as a COVID mask.
There's a version where it's like you you wear it
around your face and you make sure you need to
get a rated one and N ninety five is better
than nothing for smoke, but a P one hundred is better.
And then there is a half mask respirator. Half mask
respirators are great. They are probably the sweet spot for this.
They are less good for pandemics because they do not
(30:29):
filter the xhale. They are better for your daily life
because they don't filter the xhale. It's much easier to
breathe with a half mask. Respirator than a fabric mask,
and you can switch out the cartridges and unfortunately almost
all of them are various proprietary types of filters, and
the bayonet mount is the three M style. There's a
(30:52):
NATO version. If something looks more like a gas mask,
it's probably the NATO screw on kind. So you can
get a half mask respirator, or you can a fold
face respirator, which is more or less what looks like
a gas mask, but those coming kind of civilian styles
that are using the same three M brand or Honeywell
or whatever cartridges, or you can get the more military
(31:12):
style that'll have the NATO style screw in. The military
style is kind of overkill in terms of it'll position
you oddly socially. Yes, set me a fire, Yeah, I
think that a thing that is worth everyone having. Are
these respirators a half mask respirator or depending on your life,
like if you use them a lot, or you're going
(31:32):
to be protesting, or there's a lot of different reasons
you might want a full face one. They make really
cheap knockoff ones that you can get imported, although maybe
if you're listening to this in the future, you can't
get it imported, but they work fairly well, they're just
not quite as good. I've tested a whole bunch of
them against various impacts and things like that. I think
that half masks are great. I keep a half mask
(31:53):
in my truck literally for wildfire smoke, because when I'm traveling,
if I'm driving out west, I've been around wildfire smoke
while traveling before. Another thing, just really quickly. They make
these for dogs as well, so cool. They're more like
COVID mask style. And my dog hates it. Yeah, you know,
but you could train your dog into not hating it.
I just haven't. I just keep it around to be like,
well if it really if we had to sleep in
(32:14):
the vehicle in a smoky area, my dog would hate it,
and he would put up with it, you know, and
he would survive.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Yeah, I like masks. Yes, they're great.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, they are good. The hat face respirator is great. Yeah,
that's what I used, like could say when I'm at poxying,
so I don't get high because that would be bad.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Yeah. Oh, and then really quickly about physical stuff like
deeds and all of that stuff. Yeah. I'm actually kind
of curious because it's like I see why it matters
the most to have the physical originals mm hmm for
most crises. A lot of people talk about how safety
deposit boxes at banks are kind of the way to
go for stuff like that you don't need on a
regular basis. This wouldn't be your proof of documentation necessarily,
(32:51):
but it might be your like birth certificate, maybe like
deeds and titles and things at a safe deposit box,
because then if your house burns down, it's still fine.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
La.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Wildfire kind of disproves this a little bit, right, because
then you're like, well, what if your bank burns down?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And then if.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
It's not on your property, you can't grab it and go,
So it's a little bit complicated. I think overall, I
think that there's a real advantage to keeping stuff in
a safety deposit box off site. And then also I
just want to shout out that fire proof safes aren't fireproof.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, not for the situation and we're talking about here right.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
They are designed for like your kitchen catches fire or
your bed catches fire, and your safe is under your bed.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, and the firefighters come and they get out in
fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
But some stuff gets charred right when there is a
structure fire and a structure is destroyed. Fireproof safes, like
all other safes, are generally not protecting their contents, and
that's not the safe fault of the fire safe, it's
just they're not designed for that.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Google the melting point of steel for this and many
other interesting Internet things that you can learn.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
If jet fuel can't melt fire proof.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Safe, yeah, which is why they build buildings out of it.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Oh and one more thing about documents really quick, While
the original matters, having copies is like better than nothing,
and also just like scanning and having them on encrypted
hard like encrypted USB stick, a little USB stick with
all of your stuff is a really pretty good thing
to have. It has some advantages too, right, because sometimes
you don't want the originals of your documents, Like, for example,
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you probably want a list of all of your bank accounts,
the bank account numbers, your pins or your credit card numbers,
like all of that stuff that you really don't want
someone else to have, but if you lost you would
be really sad. You probably want digital encrypted copies of
that available to you. Yeah. Yeah, also your like master
passwords and all that terrible horrible stuff that's scary to
(34:46):
put onto a USB stick.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, but that's why you're putting it then on the internet. Yeah,
so really quickly, Margaret, it's going to be a long one.
I guess you and I talked about prepper stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
It went long.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, shocking go bags. We've done a whole episode on.
If you're new to the show, Hello Welcome, you can
go back and listen to Margaret and James talking about
go bags. We'll try and put a link in the
description here for you. But what is the like super
fast speed round version of what you want to put
(35:16):
in your go back?
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Lord, change of socks and underwear, your basic toiletries, like
the kind of like travel toiletries, because your go back
is like more like so it's not gona be a
long tangent. Your go back is like more likely I
have to spend the night in my car than like
I'm starting a new life somewhere out in the planes. Yeah.
And so the small little things like bring deodorant, even
if you don't have deodorant in your daily life, because
(35:38):
you might be crammed into a place with lots of
other people.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I've seen tons of requests for deodorant in the La
mutal a chat almost every day.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah, no, it makes a lot of sense. So basic
toiletries and a little bit extra to share. I think
whether or not you menstright, you should have tampons for example,
and your go back, and so I think that the
basic toiletries basic first day's less survival stuff, and then
like change of clothes, and also like at least one
or two morale items. I keep a Nintendo switch in
my go bag. It Skyrim is I need a Skyrim
(36:07):
box in order to fight anxiety sometimes. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, you can get those tiny little game boys now
which have like it looks like a game boy every game,
every game ever. Yeah, yeah, I have one of those
in their two okay sick. Yeah, those would be a
perfect item for one of those that.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Actually I had like almost no electricity at the beginning
of COVID, and so the ability to play the Sega
Genesis version of Shadow Run from like the nineties was
crucial to me because I didn't have enough electricity to
run a computer.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, and look, that's fine, and it's probably going to
be more important to you than half the shit you
see people online putting in their go backs, Like yeah,
you don't need a gender affirming hatchet.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
You will.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
You will have a lot more fun with your tiny
game boy things that you don't needther I see people.
I see people houlding a lot of food. Everyone who's
evacuated in LA is having a miserable time. They are
eating the best they ever have. So many people want
to help, and food is a way that so many
of us express affection and careful one another. So many
people are getting fed right now, thanks for the efforts
(36:59):
to beat A groups. Really remarkably doesn't seem to be
so much by you'd think La, a city on a
major fault line, would would have some kind of supplies
for an earthquake that required feeding lots of people. Seems
like it's it's more vibes based for the city. But
you know, surprise surprises mutual A groups who are feeding
people and they're doing that really well. So you don't
need to hold a lot of food.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Having a little bit of food though a little bit
of shelf stable food. I really recommend bars you don't
like as the food that you put in your go bag,
because if you put in bars that you do like,
you're going to eat them when you're bored one day, Yeah,
and you don't want to go to the store.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
II doly recommend I say this.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Literally all of the bars in all my bags have
been eating yeah the past week. But that's because there's
been like a winter storm, so I haven't been out
to the grocery store and I just have been like
sugarcreavy and so I eat even the grossbars. I live
in San Diego.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I have no hues so to do it because I
can't be bothered to leave my offace and go to
my kitchen sometimes.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah, So find the one that you don't like, put
it in your bag. Just have a couple. It's not
to keep you sustained. It's to keep you from being grouchy. Like,
don't think of it as like I need to put
entire meals in my go bag. Think of it as
like I need enough sugar and whatever to keep my
headspace right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I kind of like to lay them in between things
I do is when I'm camping to I'll get like
those little peanut butter packets, yeah, and just like just
to throw a few in there. And then you're like, oh, yeah,
you know what, I am being cranky And that means
you snuff this and I'm going to be beat at. Yeah.
I do highly recommend peanut butter. I take it when
I travel a lot as well. It's like a comfort
food for me. It's filling, it's compact. It's not that
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bad for you.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
When I lived out of a backpack, I kept a
plastic jar of peanut butter at the bottom of my
pack always because I knew, no matter what, I had
at least two days worth of calories in the bottom
of my bag. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yeah, it's a wonderful thing, peanut butter. So yeah, put
some of that in there. There are things that, like,
you probably don't need shelter, right, but it might be
nice to have a little compact blanket, right, especially if
you're going to have to stay. One of those one thing,
little comfort item that I always take. I've taken this
all over the world. It's an inflatable pillow. Like there
are a lot of hardships that I will endure. I
(38:57):
like to sleep on a pillow, and so I take
a inflatable pillow. So it's something that you know, you
will have comfort items like that that are things for you.
I'll put those in there. I would avoid watching too
much go bag content on YouTube because you're going to
get anxious about the fact that you don't have like
a folding short barrels rifle. And that's because you don't
(39:18):
need it, nor do you need like a Like I'm
sitting next to my bullet profess that I've used before
for work. I'm not taking it with me staying here. Yeah,
I did spend a lot of money on the plate,
so I will be claiming those on insurance. But you
don't need that stuff. People are taking care of one another,
and so pack with the things that will help you
(39:38):
be comfortable. And consider that you might be spending a
while in a hotel or a hostel or a refuge
or staying with a friend or family members yea, and
think what would make that more comfortable for you.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
I think that's the really good way to put it.
It's the get out of town for the weekend. Bag.
Y's not the end of the world bag. I think
that if you are more rural, you might want some
basic camping stuff. Yeh, yeah, definitely, but the average person
probably doesn't. I mostly have this at the like there's
my go bag, and then there's the stuff that's kind
of always in my truck.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah, that's where I'm at too. I like to go camping,
so I have my camping stuff in my truck because
then it takes me less time to go camping.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah, and so like, I am almost certainly not bugging
out on foot from my house. And if I had to,
then I would have to bring a not my go bag,
I would have to bring a hiking bag, you know.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Most of the time, if you have access to a
car and roads, because you're escaping an emergency, you're getting
to somewhere with enough civilization that you have, you can
expect some level of shelter and food.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, exactly, but I do.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
I will say, have some water. Don't go overboard, like
I think that having like a little bit of like
chemical water filtration and a water bottle or a little
water filter and a water bottle, you know the reason not.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
To Yeah, I will say specifically, like get a soil squeeze.
They are tiny filtration, better than most other filters that
are that size. Get it, put it in your backpack,
leave it there. They're handy to have, and then yeah,
get a little uh I like to have again, this
is a little comfort thing I like to have a
stain of steel now gene size bottle. It's not made
(41:14):
by analogy think, it's made by clean canteen. I like
it so I could drink water out of it. I
like it because it's not plastic. And I like it
because I can use it to heat up water when
it's really cold and have it like a little hot
water bottle and snuggle with it. Yeah, so that's a
nice thing.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Yeah. I use also like a single wall steel canteen
so that you can heat water in it. If you
get the double wall ones, then you can't heat them
over the fire because they're you know, vacuum insulated or whatever.
But then other people I know are like, well they
want the ability to have like and they're insulated deep bottles. Sure, yeah,
you know you do you so, I will also say
(41:48):
battery packs for phones is a big one. Again, you're
less likely to need to hunt squirrels with axes, and
you're more likely need to keep your phone charged and
other people's phones charged.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
One of those little hydra charging cables, which you know
breaks one.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
That's what I was about to say to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
get get.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
One of those, Get a little war water and keep
it in there, so you can turn a wall socket
into a USB socket if you need that to charge
your stuff. Another thing that is surprisingly handy and lots
of situations is I like to run a lot, and
sometimes you're doing ultramarathon. When you get to the aid station,
they just have like big things of water, right, and
you fill up your little water bottles. You're carrying your vest,
(42:25):
and lots of people have these tiny collapsible cups that
are made of like a thin rubber. They're made of
the stuff that camelback gladders are made of. And then
they can fill up that cup and they can drink
from it, and they just keep it attached to their vest, right,
and then off they go running along. Oh interesting, These
are very useful and I've started incorporating them and lots
of my travel and like, yeah, emergency supplies because if
you're in a place where people don't have cups, right
(42:47):
that they have big things of water. Now you have
a vessel from which to drink. So those are surprisingly handy.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Yeah. I also keep one of those. I don't know
if it's the same one you're talking about it, but
it like collapses up almost like forty and stuff.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, it's like it's like the camping ones, but it's
way lighter than those.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Ah Okay, I have the camping style one and I
keep it in there as a like emergency dog ball.
Yes I know.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah, those are great for that too, and you can
drink hot things out of them, which is nice.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yeah. And another thing that I keep in my go
bag is I keep the meds that my dog is on,
and I keep some of the meds that I take
in there. And you know, it's like, my dog only
gets the meds once a month, So I go to
my bag and I pull out the meds and I
give them to my dog from my bag, because why not.
And if you have, you know, other people, whether they're
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not fully grown yet or are that you also take
care of, you know, you need to make sure you
have a little bit of their stuff in there, Like
like you keep a dog toy in your go bag. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, if you have a child, keep a child toy.
If you need to keep medicines cold, there's a product
called freeo Fio. They're not paying me. I've never got
one for free. But you dip it in water and
it uses the evaporative cooling to keep your insulin cold.
I have used them. Oh, they are very handy, they
don't rely on electric. It's very nice. So yeah, if
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that's something that you need, then then then that is
hopefully something useful to you. My last thing would be
a little torch, a little pocket flashlight, or even better
a headlamp like a head torch, because lots of places
in La lost power, right, and if you're having to
go places at night, it's much easier if you can
see where you're going. Yeah, they're not expensive, they're great gifts.
Bring a few, give them to friends, make new friends.
(44:24):
Hopefully this has repared you. The last thing, of course,
Margaret is a gold bullion with Ronald Reagan's face on it.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Oh, I forgot to mention that, Yeah, you need to trade.
Rather than having a system of mutual aid, which we
naturally do, instead, we should interject a complicated barter system,
ideally on the gold standard, in which shiny.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Metal replaces our naturally instinct to help one another. Yeah exactly, Yeah,
that's how it's been. That's that's humans, famously not a species.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Just bring a copy of Debt by David Graeber in
your Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeah, bring at the shrugs and then as you pass
the just start ripping that ship off, throwing it in there,
let it burn.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Having a paperback book if you like that. It's not
weight efficient, but you know what, like.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
That's how Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bring the Dawn of Everything
by David Graeber. That'll let'll occupy you through most natural disasters.
It's a it's a thick book. It is if you
can't reach something very handy.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Stand on that.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
He really thought he did us one final solid rap
David Graeber.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Yeah, and and and on rip to David wengro Is love.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yes, yeah, yeah, shout out to David. Wegrow the other
David than the less venerated David who also wrote that book.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
I always feel bad when I just talk about Gramer
stuff and they talk about Thought of Everything, and then
I don't talk about the other David. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Sometimes I'll just say the David's and then people will
look at me and yeah, totally the level. But I know, yeah,
yeah big to Margaret, I can say that David's. She
knows which David's. I mean, that's why we're friends.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Yeah. Well anyway, yeah, it's gonna be okay or it's not.
But you know what you weren't going to survive being
alive anyway. And keep your car half full of gas,
like when you're on your way home, and make sure
that you fill up if it's less than halfway full.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Plug your electric car in. Don't skip plugging your little
electric car in at night. Yeah, because the night that
you do is you know that you need it. So
do the little things take care of one another.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Yeah, it could.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hi everyone, and welcome to the podcast. I was going
to go for a really Robert Evans intro there, but
I bottled it. I own a coward and I couldn't
do it.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I hate all of you.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It's Margaret Kiljoy, everyone here to spread the good news.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I was trying to rap at Evans that.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh, okay, yeah, and it doesn't he only hate a
certain percentage of them, all right, Statistically speaking.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
He likes some of you.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah, And because I know some nice people list in
there Robert likes. Maybe it's you, maybe it's not. You'll
never know. Today we're not here to talk about who
Robert Evans likes. But we are here to talk about
what to do if your house is going to burn
down or you have to leave because they think it
might burn down. This is obviously a topic that is
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front of mind for people in southern California currently, given
the massive wildfires that have engulfed whole neighborhoods of Los Angeles.
There are fires in Ventura and Start as well. Now
the whole of East County San Diego is under a
red flag warning. Fire conditions continue because climate change continues,
and we have decided as a society not to do
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anything about that, and so this shit is going to
be the rest of our lives.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
If you're on the East Coast or somewhere else and
you're like, oh, I'm fine, I'm not on the West Coast,
bad news for you. You're not fine. Slowly, more and
more the East Coast, including the northeast, is being seen
as a fire prone area, and we're seeing an increase
in fire out east as well.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeap, the United Kingdom as wildfires now a thing did
not exist.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Do you all even have wild over there?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah? We have like land owned by the monarch fires,
we have like parks and protected land. We don't really have.
We have commons to a degree, but not not like
public land of the US does. Like when I was
a kid, we used to burn the stuff into draw fields.
Like that's how how a few fucks we gave about fires.
We just burn it in a plat back in and
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air quality. I guess that is not a thing that
people engage in anymore.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
That's probably for the best.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Fire it's coming for you. It's happening everywhere. Hooray, hooray. Yeah,
lucky you. The cleansing fire. I feel like there's a
John Betchaman poem I could go off with here, but
I'll spare you all right. So, if you are in
a place where you are very likely to have to
evacuate your home soonish for a fire, here are some
things that you may wish to consider doing. I've harvested
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these from mutual a groups in LA and from the
Cowfire website, where they give you advice on what to
do if you're evacuating. The first thing that you want
to do is turn off your gas. For those of
you who are not familiar, this is a flammable substance,
and your gas pipe rupturing and then catching on fire
would be bad, would be sad. It's pretty easy to
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do this. Normally, you should have a valve near the meter.
Some places we'll have what's called earth quake shut off
or an earthquake valve where you won't need a tool.
I'm not sure that. In fact, i'm pretty certain those
are not mandatory, even in California, because I've lived places
that don't have them. Then again, there are things that
are mandatory that landlords just aren't doing. I think we
all know that.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, or like grandfathered into or whatever. M hmm yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, given that people outside California are listening and the
earthquakes are are fortunately not coming for us all just yet,
I would just suggest that you try and find where
your gas shut off is now. It's often where the
gas comes into the property, like there's a gas meter,
and normally you're going to need some kind of tool
to term that. What I've used normally is just like
an adjustable spanner or wrench. For those of you in
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the United States.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
The people at California that you're talking to.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, yes, yeah, Hi, fellow Californians. You can turn that
valve so it turns parallel with the pipe. That's kind
of shut off the gas coming into your house.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Do you mean a perpendicular to the pipe. I'm curious.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I think parallel is shut off.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Interesting with water, you turn it off by moving a perpendicular.
I've never messed with a gas line. I've lived weird
and off grid instead.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, let me have a look. I'm checking now.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Sorry, it wants to be at ninety degrees to the pipe. Yeah,
so it should be in line with the pipe when
you start in ninety degrees to the pipe when you
turn it off, which you.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Can just kind of imagine as like when it's in line,
you can imagine like, oh, that's how the gas and
water can flow through, and then when it's to the side,
it's like, oh, now it's blocking it. That's how I yeah,
I remember.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
That's much easier visually if you imagine like the hole
in the valve lining up with the handle.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Thing on there.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, do you want to turn that off? I've seen
some suggestions that you want to turn water off. Generally,
the advice is not to turn your water off, and
to hook up your outdoor hoses to your outdoor taps
such that they can be used if they need to
be used. I have seen some suggestions to turn water
off because I guess people's pipes are bursting, which is
decreasing water pressure.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
And it seems like that's probably a like city versus
rural or like city the city kind of divide. You
should listen to your local authorities around this kind of thing, right,
Like in the case of California, you can go to
CalFire right and there will be evacuation advice on the
CalFire website.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
There might even be on your city website. Some of
it is useful. This is a useful thing if you
do need to turn off your water. Again, water shut
offs could be in a variety of places, so it
kind of depends. Especially if you're on a well, you're
probably row and if you're roll, you're probably going to
be leaving it on.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, you're probably turning off your water. Yeah, but if
you do need to do it's just a pipe going
into your basement that you turned it on.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
You can sometimes be at the side of your house.
You might need to give this a little bit of
WD forty. Sometimes do a little little plastic box as well,
and the little plastic box has a little hole and
you kind of have to shove a screwdriver in that
hole and pop it open.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
We're now talking about city water again, right, municipal water, Yes, yeah,
that's city water. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, that's where if you have a water meat box
it could and the shut offs in there. Familiarize yourself
with that stuff now so that you're not doing it
in a panic later, And that's kind of where a
lot of what we're talking about today is. It's important.
It's if you do it now, you don't have to
dash about your house grabbing thinking. It's just important do
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I need this?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Do I need that? Right?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Because like I've evacuated for wildfires living in California a
few times. I like to think I have it pretty
down now, but definitely the first time I was, you know,
freshly minted European migrant, it was not familiar with this stuff,
and it definitely just ran around grabbing things.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
So it turned out to be the wrong thing.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
It's like, cool, I've got three bicycles here, let me
let me go to the shelter.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
And you can get something called a water key or
a silcock key. And I have a thing I have
not personally used it. I have a thing called an
eight way key. Sometimes they are called four way keys,
depends on how many little wrenches on them are on them.
And these are just cheap things that have like basically
all of the weird wrench style things that you would
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never otherwise use, like all the weird like triangle things.
They can get you into like the boxes on a
subway car, and they can turn on and off water,
like I carry one in case you know, you're in
the apocalypse and you need to turn on the water
at a rest area, you know, that kind of thing.
I've first learned about this from squatters, so it would
just move into houses and then turn the water on.
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And they they're built in specialized ways to try and
prevent squatter from doing exactly what I'm describing.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, so you couldn't use your standard socket set or
what happens. So that's where you need these specialized keys. Yeah,
and they're not very expensive you can buy.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
They're also not very high quality. This isn't the kind
of thing you're going to want to use over and
over again. They're usually cast and like they break, it's
like pot metal. Yeah exactly. Yeah, but they're are right
as far as I can tell. Yeah, and any you
hope you're not going to need to use them very much.
Other things that you should turn on or off, turn
off your air conditioning. No one's in the house anyway,
don't need it. I would consider leaving your exterior lights on.
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This is just going to help firefight to see things
and see your house in the event that your house
is still there. You can close your windows and doors.
It's amazing how much difference closed doors even internally make
it in fire spread that There are plenty of videos
you can watch about this online, but like it's amazing
how much difference it makes having those closed. But you
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don't want to lock your front door like you're going
to see a lot of stuff about looting. I will
tell you right now that the people who are looting
from wildfire survivors are the landlords who are charging one
hundred and fifty percent of the rent that they were
a month ago for people to find a flaceplace to live. Also,
if my house is about to burn down and you
go steal all my stuff, good have it?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah yeah, lucky you like I hope you don't get burned,
like yeah, yeah, compared to if a firefighter needs to
enter that house to prevent it burning down. It takes
a meaningful amount of time to break down a door, yeah,
and you can save that time by leaving it open.
So yeah, that is something that I think you will
get the wrong impression of if you're watching too much
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corporate news. If you can close metal shutters on your
windows but remove curtains, flammable things near windows generally not
a good idea, right, that makes sense. So if you've
got fabric curtains, I know they look nice, but take
them down. But you could just live like me and
never purchase curtains and just I don't have to have
the sun in your face. You know what is happening
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to right now? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah, we're going to start a whole interior design thing.
And when I see James interior design where you hang
your curtains.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, James's effectively squatting in a house that he actually rents.
You should also move flammable items into the middle of
the room again, right, that's where the fire is not.
And then before you go, choose an outfit that covers
your legs and arms. Right, and you want to wear
some sturdy shoes as well, something that's comfortable, something you
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could potentially sleep in and wear for a few days
and not be uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Shoes that you could walk in. Right.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
We saw a lot of people in la weren't able
to take their vehicles as far as they had expected
to be able to, and so having a pair of
shoes that you're comfortable in, your nice, comfy walking shoes
is definitely a useful thing to have something to think about.
I hope you're not listening to this dashing around your
house if you are, best of luck, Yeah, yeah, but
you know you can prepare all this stuff now for
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the outside of your house. Flammable stuff that might catch
outside your house is best either bought inside inside your
shed if you have a shed or a garage or something,
or in a particularly California piece of advice, CalFire suggests
chucking your path to your furniture in the pool. So
that is the thing that you can do. That makes
some sense, it does. Have you seen the picture of
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this lady in the nineties who put all her fine
china in her swimming pool before evacuating in a wildfire.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Oh that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, it's very like of the time, Like it was
a time when people could afford swimming pools, and also
people had china that they cared about, which is something
that our generation generally does not.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Unless they inherited it from their parents, and in which
case they still also yeah right they have like one plate.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Apparently it's a big issue
with people like inheriting china and not want to get
in and just dumping on good wiels.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah I believe that.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, I can see that. So, yeah, you can put
stuff in your pool if you don't want to burn.
If it is possible for you to do that you
have something you mentioned Margaret about you your fence right
living in a more rural setting.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, can I actually just kind of like really quickly
run through some if you fire protecting your house. There's
two things you're gonna do. One is the oh, I'm
going to run away now version, and then there's the
ahead of time version. The really quick basic version of
the ahead of time is that, and this is more
applicable rurally. But you want to have a defensible space.
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You know, everyone's going to give you a different number,
but like one hundred feet from your house. You don't
want densely packed trees, especially conifers, and you're gonna want
you know, the one tree is okay as long as
it's a little bit further from the other. You're gonna
want to clear out yard debris, even though leaving leaves
on the ground is overall good, kind of want to
create this space where there's not a lot of leaf
litter and things like that directly under your house so
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that the eaves don't catch. You want to make sure
that you don't keep a lot of flammable stuff there.
And if like if I was fleeing my house in
a hurry, I would be pulling all the stuff away
from under the eaves that I should have pulled away
from under the eaves months ago. If I were to
design my house better, there would be a basically a
three foot like gravel line around the edge of my
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house right of landscaping. Yeah, But the other things that
you're going to want to do is you're going to
want to look for how embers can get in through
the vents and stuff like in your roof area or
under wherever. And you're gonna want to basically make sure
and it might already have that, but you want to
make sure that there's tighter than chicken wire. I think
it's I think you want quarter inch mesh covering those things.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, like construction netting. Yeah, well metal, but yeah, it's
metals the name of it. Oh okay, it's what they
put into concrete. I think I use it to build
chicken Oh yeah, runs for some reasons. Well, yeah, because
raccoon hans can't get through it, and raccoons they're bastards
as it turns out.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah, that makes sense. If your porch is wooden, you
have a porch, you don't want fire to get underneath it,
and so you can keep your wooden porch, but you
want to screen off underneath of it to keep flaming
debris from going under there. And then if you have
a wooden fence, consider having the first ten feet or
so of the fence the brick or something like that.
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I can't afford this, but imagine you can. Then you
would want the first chunk of it to be that way.
If you have gates, you open them. The deal with
fences and everything is that you don't want like a
wick that brings fire to your house. So if the
forest around you is burning, you don't want it to
catch your fence and have that go right up to
under the eaves, catch the eaves on fire. And now
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I you have a structure fire. So what you're gonna
do is you open the gates if you're leaving. And then,
for example, my plan, because I have a wooden fence
that goes all the way up to my house, is
that if I have more than like five minutes to
flee a fire, by a half an hour to flee
a fire, I am taking the chainsaw and I am
cutting down about ten feet of that wooden fence before
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I leave, And that should dramatically increase the chances that
my house will survive a fire. Yeah, smart move. And
then another thing with a pool thing, And I think
I've read about, but I've never there's no version of
my life where I'm ever gonna have a pool if
you live in a fire prone area. They actually make
pumps that are designed to pump your pool water into
a fire hose, and they have saved a lot of
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rural areas and probably city areas too by having that
accessible to firefighters. Immediately, your pool can become a resource
for the people who are coming in to try and
keep your house intact.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, amusingly, we use one of those. When I was
a kid, we had a whole wow like to get out,
and one day she got out. We all went looking
for of course, there were some wealthy people who like well,
they didn't live in the village that we lived in.
They owned it because Britain has never moved on from
this Ugal era, and they had a pool and that
that was where our horse was. And so the fire
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brigade came and they used one of those things, just
pumped out the water and just like host down the
surrounding garden. And then we came with the tractor and
we put some different strawbeles of different sizes, made a
set of stairs and got her out.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
That's the least relatable story I've ever heard about England.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
It's in yeah, just like a rural people living the dream. Yeah,
she was a good horse, misty. Yeah, we had a
lot of horses that, like, we had access to land
and not a great deal of finances, so we inherited
problematic horses. I think for people who had like who
had the means to purchase.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
That is relatable to the Americans. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, any people find themselves in this situation, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah. Horse poor is a whole thing. Yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, Yeah, it's it's the rich people who buy fancy
horses and then like find the horse not to their
liking and can afford to discard a living thing spent
more than a car is worth on.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Well and also, I mean, horse poor is you have
a horse, but you don't have any money, and you're like,
you're partly poor because you have the horse. Because horses
are incredibly expensive to ye maintain, Yes, they are. Vets
cost a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah anyway, so yeah, make sure not quite a horse relation.
But if you are more of a horseless carriage transport person.
If you are, this is a very American thing. In
possession of an electric garage door opener, it is a
good idea to work out how to open your garage
without that. Yeah, because you don't want to be in
a situation where you can't use your vehicle because you
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can't open your garage, or you don't want to be
dashing around going where's the bloody cord? Not the time, Yeah,
so work out how to do it now. Also, your
front gate. Hopefully you don't live in a gated community.
It's not the way to live. But if you do,
for whatever reason, you know, know how to open the gates.
Or if you have an electric front gates, you're drive
I suppose know how to open that, Margaret. Now will
be a good time for us to pause for ads.
(16:55):
I wonder if we will get an advert for electric
garage doors.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Or electric horse. Oh yeah, maybe do they dream of
electra care.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
We'll find out in its advertising break. All right, we
are back, and we're continuing on the theme of animals
because they are.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Our little friends.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, So if you have animals inside your house, pets
We have farm animals inside my house growing up, so
I guess it's not exclusive to pets. Used to bring
the lambs in when it was cold, little often lambs. Again,
this is turning into like James story.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
That's okay, it's cute stories.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
People who are in possession of a range, like like
a big cooking if you have a very old house
in the UK, or again if you're rich, you have
these like coal burning or oil burning ovens, so they
stay at his temperature, and they have a number of doors.
The coldest one you can put a lamb in there
in the winter time and you can keep it warm
that way.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Like in a live one.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah yeah, yeah, well I mean any of them. You
can put a dead one in if you felt the knee.
If you look at you're saying okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. If you're looking to take care of your animal,
you put them in there and keep the More so,
if you have pets in your house, things to do
before you evacuate would be make sure they have a
collar on which has your name and your contact information. Yeah.
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I'm a big fan of the breakaway collars, especially for dogs.
We never had collars on a dog showing up because
the dogs were always out in the fields and going
through hedges and stuff, and you don't want them to
get caught up. Yeah, and so I'm a big fan
of those, especially in a situation where your pet's going
to be scared. You know, God forbid that you'd lose
your pet goes running for a bit. You don't want
them to get caught up by that neckus.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
W'll probably want to chip your dog as you chip
your pets.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yes, yeah, I was going to say, now it's a
good time where you have the time to chip your pets,
to make sure you have a carrier, make sure you
have their vaccination records, all that.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Stuff, and also particularly the particularly rabies vaccination is like
the thing that you need to make sure that you
have with you. There's a lot of places you can't
go with a pet, like Canada unless you have Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, hopefully you and your pet will be fine, you'll
come home in a few days. But keeping that stuff
is important if you have a cat having a so
what you can buy those little mobile list of boxes.
If you're in danger of having to evacuate, just buy
one and check in your vehicle.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Now.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Of course, any medications that your pet has, right, you'll
want to have a supply of those and those who
want to be in your go back. It's also nice
to have some familiar toys and things that's not like home. Yeah,
so consider puting them in the carrier now, and then
they'll just be there and you won't have to look
for them. They have advice if you have to leave
your pet, which would be a pretty heartbreaking situation to
be honest.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah, I think that choosing to be in charge of
an animal's entire life is a pretty solemn vow.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yes, I would agree, and I don't think I would
leave them to burn.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I think, yeah, but I guess there's probably I mean,
you see, like for example, I know we're gonna talk
about livestock in a second, but like you know, people
have had to like let loose some of their horses
because they can only personally escort so many horses or whatever. Right.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, a few years ago, my friend and I were
in a situation where a stables had more horses than
it did vehicles. Yeah, and were able to go in
a vehicle with a towdruck and just help, Like they
would load them up and just be like go to
the evacuation point with these horses. Yeah, and so having
a plan.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
For that is good.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
But yeah, I know, I struggled be conceive of leaving pets.
I grew up with dogs and like they were part
of my family.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah. I suppose there's some situation I am not imagining
where it is literally a necessity, but I struggle to Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I heard about people in LA who were forced to
leave relatives who were not mobile, which is just fucking heartbreaking,
just you know, one of the worst things I could
imagine happening.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Which is literally why I actually think that your evacuation plans.
Not trying to blame those people that we're talking about,
but I believe that your evacuation plans need to include
people with disabilities who are in your area, not just
were you not just in your house, but elsewhere. Like yeah, hundred,
if you have someone who can only travel by a wheelchair,
then you should be considering for your only vehicle a
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wheelchair accessible vehicle. Like this is the kind of thing
that I think that, like plans need to include people
who are at different levels of ability.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, yeah, if you have older people in your neighborhood, Yeah,
people who might not have their cell phone on or
on them all the time. They might not get that
like beat beat buzz buzz.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Yeah. If you have like older folks who live alone
in your neighborhood, you should know that.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
You know, yeah, yeah, a few years ago I helped
some older neighbors evacuate.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yah.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
You live in a community and you need to take
responsibility and take care of one another. If you have
livestock again, like you know, I grew up with livestock,
I think you're taking responsibility for the animal's life, and
that includes situations where you might have to help that
animal escape in a way that leg is not necessarily
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like lucrative for you. Right, So that might just mean
opening your fences, right, opening your gates if you're not
able to evacuate them, or at least giving it a
chance you can before just to avoid having yourself in
that situation. Need to make transport arrangements. You should be
able to look where large animals refuges are, like San
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Diego in the big fires, maybe fifteen years ago, they
have them on Fiesta Island for a while. Little island
out in the bay or del Mar Race Course is
often a place of San Diego where you can take them.
You should be able to find that now, if you're
in Los Angeles, you can find that. Now. Again, you're
going to want to have your essential documentation. You are
not going to want nylon halters for your livestock. I've
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seen a lot of people have, Like people have nylon
lead ropes for horses. We had like more hempy ones
when I was younger, just because those a much left
likely to melt, right, So that's why we had them
in the UK. But we had them because we'd have
them for a long time. But plastic key things that
can melt. You don't want to put them around your
horse's head or near your horse.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Okay, that makes some sense.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah, if you have chickens right now, you're going to
run into the issue of AV and flu. Oh yeah,
which is a further complications. So like this is a
scenario of like a big chicken shelter where you take
them is not a good one for AV you and
flu reasons also for like chicken dynamics reasons. So that
means you should make a plan. Now, you might have
a friend who you're like, hey, I know that you're
(23:13):
not normally a poultry person, but would it be cool
in the event of us having to evacuate for me
and my chickens to come and stay at your house.
Making a plan. Now, it's going to avoid you being
in a very difficult situation of either driving around with
your birds in your in your truck being like where
the fuck can I go? Or like being turned away
from places. Right. Yeah, The last thing I have here
and then we're going to move on to packing your
(23:34):
go bag is insurance. My house flooded when I was
a kid, Like, it completely leveled the first floor of
the house.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Everything was gone, which, since it's England, is actually the
second floor to Americans.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, it's true. It was actually the great Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I love to uh it's the ground the ground floor
you have to hide on the first thing.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I love to go into a lift and be confused
in this country after sixteen years of living here, go
up and down, up and down, playing this stupid game
until I google what do American call their flaws? And
you can't do it, so you're in the lift and
your phone doesn't work. It's one of my favorite experiences.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
It's because you try to google what do American lifts do?
And they're like What the fuck is a lik.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's true. Yeah yeah, an elevator. It's
not an elevating experience. Away my favorite thing to pick. James,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, it's true. Sure, I'm the only person who does it.
I'm sure it never happened to me.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, it was never an issue when I worked in
a building with a lift and would routinely miss my
own floor.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So that I just took the fire escape.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
So I remember it taking months the time I was
working in construction, and what we were doing was for
the most part, pulling wet carpet out of people's homes
that have flooded. Highly recommend not doing that as a
way to make a living if you can. It's not
good for the body, not good for the soul, for
the lung. It's probably cleaning out restaurants. Like a month
(24:57):
later the power had been off from month. Just going
into the walk in. Oh my god, I've never seen
so many people vomit, like one after the other being like, no,
I could do it. I'm a builder straight, Like, yeah,
pretty horrific. So don't recommend if you can go around
your house taking a video.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Of your yeah stuffs, it will.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Just make it easier, Like this happened to my family,
and like maybe you know, the early two thousands, so
it wasn't possible. Well, I mean I could have got
the old like Sony handicam out I didn't. So now
you know you have a video camera in your pocket
going around your house taking a video especially of you know,
the things that are expensive and hard to move that
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you're going to rely on insurance to replace.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, and then this is actually a decent regular prepper
practice regardless. This isn't a like, oh I'm just about
to have to run out for a fire. This is
a like every six months or every year, or every
time you get a new, weird, expensive thing that you
put in your house, make this video so that it's
easier to prove all of the stuff that you had
that needs to be replaced. Yeah, if you do that
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on a regular basis, there's a little bit of like
security of like where do you put it? Do you
really want? You know? But it's honestly, for almost all
people probably totally fine to just have that, yeah on
the cloud, Yeah yeah, I think I think it. Don't
put it on Facebook, but you can get it directly.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Ensure it's going to be your Instagram where you post
an interior video of your home every month. Yeah, that's
that's your thing. I guess join us next month for
behind the podcast. Yeah, podcast crips.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
It's just in my shed.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
It's me critiquing your interior you have. That would be
a weekly podcast for some time. Shame James and James
Shame podcasts la Things that I've heard people thinks that
you will need. If you have a nebulizer, if you're
a person who uses a nebulizer to help them breathe,
(26:51):
those are in very high demands. You're probably not going
to be able to replace it, so bring that with you.
If you have medications, ideally grab the meds in the
little orange thing and take those with you. That where
you've got the RX number and you can easily go
to a pharmacy and be like, hey, this is my
prescription for me. It has my name and the RX number.
Can you issue me an emergency supply? And that's something
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they should be able to do. And also if you
grab the whole bottle, then you've got, you know, hopefully
a decent supply, Hopefully your insurance isn't annoying and only
lets you go three weeks at a time.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah, that's that comes up for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
But I will not name any companies because I think
it is against my contract to do that. I will
say that if you have like your important documents, right,
you're potentially your deed to your house, if you're own
on your car, your passport, your birth certificate is a
(27:44):
big one.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Yeah, you're right to be in this country.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, any dream card, visa, that kind of thing, especially
those in the after Well, this will come out in
the era of Trump two point zero. So those documents
are going to be very important for some people. Right,
you're darker registration, Put those in a file and grab
the whole thing, bring it with you.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Do not rely on.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Scan copies of those, especially your immigration documents. If you're
a person who has firearms, records of the serial numbers
of those are going to be useful. And again I
would just snap a picture. It's not reasonable or sensible
to be taking a lot of firearms with you in
a situation like this. You're not going to need them,
and there's.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Gona be a lot of places that you won't want
to bring them.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yes, you know, I would suggest locking them up and
like I say, documenting that you've done that, you may
have to prove at some point that firearm no longer exists,
and then they're probably the best way to do that.
And being prepared to travel on foot. Like I said,
another thing that people have been needing and not having
is P one hundred masks. So that's a particle filter
(28:50):
generally in the three M and I think the Honeywell
filters they're pink, so I'm talking about like a screw
in filter here, although they.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Do make P one hundred masks that are more like
they more like COVID masks. Yeah, they're just a little
bit thicker and yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah they're a little bit more sort of burdensome than
those masks, but that is what you need if you're
in those situations. Yeah, so if you have one of those,
I have ones like when I'm when I'm a poxying wood,
I have a little half face respirated I wear for that.
We will actually talk about masks, Margaret, after some of
the products and services support the show have talked about themselves.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
It'd be pretty sick of a honey Well. Yeah, yeah,
they'd be pretty small. Yep. All right, here we go.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
All right, we're back, thank you, honey. Well, yeah, well,
keeping us safe from here gas.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Although I'm kind of a three M girl, I gotta admit,
Oh controversial, Okay, I know. So. One of the things
I did during twenty twenty was a lot of testing
of protest care. And if you want to see, I've
written up a whole bunch of pieces about exactly everything
about masks in body armour and blah blah blah blah blah.
But in general, when you think about masks, there's sort
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of three levels that actually are matter a useful. There's
the version that we kind of see as a COVID mask.
There's a version where it's like you you wear it
around your face and you make sure you need to
get a rated one and N ninety five is better
than nothing for smoke, but a P one hundred is better.
And then there is a half mask respirator. Half mask
respirators are great. They are probably the sweet spot for this.
They are less good for pandemics because they do not
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filter the xhale. They are better for your daily life
because they don't filter the xhale. It's much easier to
breathe with a half mask. Respirator than a fabric mask,
and you can switch out the cartridges and unfortunately almost
all of them are various proprietary types of filters, and
the bayonet mount is the three M style. There's a
(30:52):
NATO version. If something looks more like a gas mask,
it's probably the NATO screw on kind. So you can
get a half mask respirator, or you can a fold
face respirator, which is more or less what looks like
a gas mask, but those coming kind of civilian styles
that are using the same three M brand or Honeywell
or whatever cartridges, or you can get the more military
(31:12):
style that'll have the NATO style screw in. The military
style is kind of overkill in terms of it'll position
you oddly socially. Yes, set me a fire, Yeah, I
think that a thing that is worth everyone having. Are
these respirators a half mask respirator or depending on your life,
like if you use them a lot, or you're going
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to be protesting, or there's a lot of different reasons
you might want a full face one. They make really
cheap knockoff ones that you can get imported, although maybe
if you're listening to this in the future, you can't
get it imported, but they work fairly well, they're just
not quite as good. I've tested a whole bunch of
them against various impacts and things like that. I think
that half masks are great. I keep a half mask
(31:53):
in my truck literally for wildfire smoke, because when I'm traveling,
if I'm driving out west, I've been around wildfire smoke
while traveling before. Another thing, just really quickly. They make
these for dogs as well, so cool. They're more like
COVID mask style. And my dog hates it. Yeah, you know,
but you could train your dog into not hating it.
I just haven't. I just keep it around to be like,
well if it really if we had to sleep in
(32:14):
the vehicle in a smoky area, my dog would hate it,
and he would put up with it, you know, and
he would survive.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Yeah, I like masks. Yes, they're great.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, they are good. The hat face respirator is great. Yeah,
that's what I used, like could say when I'm at poxying,
so I don't get high because that would be bad.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Yeah. Oh, and then really quickly about physical stuff like
deeds and all of that stuff. Yeah. I'm actually kind
of curious because it's like I see why it matters
the most to have the physical originals mm hmm for
most crises. A lot of people talk about how safety
deposit boxes at banks are kind of the way to
go for stuff like that you don't need on a
regular basis. This wouldn't be your proof of documentation necessarily,
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but it might be your like birth certificate, maybe like
deeds and titles and things at a safe deposit box,
because then if your house burns down, it's still fine.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
La.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Wildfire kind of disproves this a little bit, right, because
then you're like, well, what if your bank burns down?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And then if.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
It's not on your property, you can't grab it and go,
So it's a little bit complicated. I think overall, I
think that there's a real advantage to keeping stuff in
a safety deposit box off site. And then also I
just want to shout out that fire proof safes aren't fireproof.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, not for the situation and we're talking about here right.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
They are designed for like your kitchen catches fire or
your bed catches fire, and your safe is under your bed.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, and the firefighters come and they get out in
fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
But some stuff gets charred right when there is a
structure fire and a structure is destroyed. Fireproof safes, like
all other safes, are generally not protecting their contents, and
that's not the safe fault of the fire safe, it's
just they're not designed for that.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Google the melting point of steel for this and many
other interesting Internet things that you can learn.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
If jet fuel can't melt fire proof.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Safe, yeah, which is why they build buildings out of it.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Oh and one more thing about documents really quick, While
the original matters, having copies is like better than nothing,
and also just like scanning and having them on encrypted
hard like encrypted USB stick, a little USB stick with
all of your stuff is a really pretty good thing
to have. It has some advantages too, right, because sometimes
you don't want the originals of your documents, Like, for example,
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you probably want a list of all of your bank accounts,
the bank account numbers, your pins or your credit card numbers,
like all of that stuff that you really don't want
someone else to have, but if you lost you would
be really sad. You probably want digital encrypted copies of
that available to you. Yeah. Yeah, also your like master
passwords and all that terrible horrible stuff that's scary to
(34:46):
put onto a USB stick.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, but that's why you're putting it then on the internet. Yeah,
so really quickly, Margaret, it's going to be a long one.
I guess you and I talked about prepper stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
It went long.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, shocking go bags. We've done a whole episode on.
If you're new to the show, Hello Welcome, you can
go back and listen to Margaret and James talking about
go bags. We'll try and put a link in the
description here for you. But what is the like super
fast speed round version of what you want to put
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in your go back?
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Lord, change of socks and underwear, your basic toiletries, like
the kind of like travel toiletries, because your go back
is like more like so it's not gona be a
long tangent. Your go back is like more likely I
have to spend the night in my car than like
I'm starting a new life somewhere out in the planes. Yeah.
And so the small little things like bring deodorant, even
if you don't have deodorant in your daily life, because
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you might be crammed into a place with lots of
other people.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I've seen tons of requests for deodorant in the La
mutal a chat almost every day.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah, no, it makes a lot of sense. So basic
toiletries and a little bit extra to share. I think
whether or not you menstright, you should have tampons for example,
and your go back, and so I think that the
basic toiletries basic first day's less survival stuff, and then
like change of clothes, and also like at least one
or two morale items. I keep a Nintendo switch in
my go bag. It Skyrim is I need a Skyrim
(36:07):
box in order to fight anxiety sometimes. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, you can get those tiny little game boys now
which have like it looks like a game boy every game,
every game ever. Yeah, yeah, I have one of those
in their two okay sick. Yeah, those would be a
perfect item for one of those that.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Actually I had like almost no electricity at the beginning
of COVID, and so the ability to play the Sega
Genesis version of Shadow Run from like the nineties was
crucial to me because I didn't have enough electricity to
run a computer.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, and look, that's fine, and it's probably going to
be more important to you than half the shit you
see people online putting in their go backs, Like yeah,
you don't need a gender affirming hatchet.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
You will.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
You will have a lot more fun with your tiny
game boy things that you don't needther I see people.
I see people houlding a lot of food. Everyone who's
evacuated in LA is having a miserable time. They are
eating the best they ever have. So many people want
to help, and food is a way that so many
of us express affection and careful one another. So many
people are getting fed right now, thanks for the efforts
(36:59):
to beat A groups. Really remarkably doesn't seem to be
so much by you'd think La, a city on a
major fault line, would would have some kind of supplies
for an earthquake that required feeding lots of people. Seems
like it's it's more vibes based for the city. But
you know, surprise surprises mutual A groups who are feeding
people and they're doing that really well. So you don't
need to hold a lot of food.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Having a little bit of food though a little bit
of shelf stable food. I really recommend bars you don't
like as the food that you put in your go bag,
because if you put in bars that you do like,
you're going to eat them when you're bored one day, Yeah,
and you don't want to go to the store.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
II doly recommend I say this.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Literally all of the bars in all my bags have
been eating yeah the past week. But that's because there's
been like a winter storm, so I haven't been out
to the grocery store and I just have been like
sugarcreavy and so I eat even the grossbars. I live
in San Diego.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I have no hues so to do it because I
can't be bothered to leave my offace and go to
my kitchen sometimes.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah, So find the one that you don't like, put
it in your bag. Just have a couple. It's not
to keep you sustained. It's to keep you from being grouchy. Like,
don't think of it as like I need to put
entire meals in my go bag. Think of it as
like I need enough sugar and whatever to keep my
headspace right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I kind of like to lay them in between things
I do is when I'm camping to I'll get like
those little peanut butter packets, yeah, and just like just
to throw a few in there. And then you're like, oh, yeah,
you know what, I am being cranky And that means
you snuff this and I'm going to be beat at. Yeah.
I do highly recommend peanut butter. I take it when
I travel a lot as well. It's like a comfort
food for me. It's filling, it's compact. It's not that
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bad for you.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
When I lived out of a backpack, I kept a
plastic jar of peanut butter at the bottom of my
pack always because I knew, no matter what, I had
at least two days worth of calories in the bottom
of my bag. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yeah, it's a wonderful thing, peanut butter. So yeah, put
some of that in there. There are things that, like,
you probably don't need shelter, right, but it might be
nice to have a little compact blanket, right, especially if
you're going to have to stay. One of those one thing,
little comfort item that I always take. I've taken this
all over the world. It's an inflatable pillow. Like there
are a lot of hardships that I will endure. I
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like to sleep on a pillow, and so I take
a inflatable pillow. So it's something that you know, you
will have comfort items like that that are things for you.
I'll put those in there. I would avoid watching too
much go bag content on YouTube because you're going to
get anxious about the fact that you don't have like
a folding short barrels rifle. And that's because you don't
(39:18):
need it, nor do you need like a Like I'm
sitting next to my bullet profess that I've used before
for work. I'm not taking it with me staying here. Yeah,
I did spend a lot of money on the plate,
so I will be claiming those on insurance. But you
don't need that stuff. People are taking care of one another,
and so pack with the things that will help you
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be comfortable. And consider that you might be spending a
while in a hotel or a hostel or a refuge
or staying with a friend or family members yea, and
think what would make that more comfortable for you.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
I think that's the really good way to put it.
It's the get out of town for the weekend. Bag.
Y's not the end of the world bag. I think
that if you are more rural, you might want some
basic camping stuff. Yeh, yeah, definitely, but the average person
probably doesn't. I mostly have this at the like there's
my go bag, and then there's the stuff that's kind
of always in my truck.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah, that's where I'm at too. I like to go camping,
so I have my camping stuff in my truck because
then it takes me less time to go camping.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah, and so like, I am almost certainly not bugging
out on foot from my house. And if I had to,
then I would have to bring a not my go bag,
I would have to bring a hiking bag, you know.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Most of the time, if you have access to a
car and roads, because you're escaping an emergency, you're getting
to somewhere with enough civilization that you have, you can
expect some level of shelter and food.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, exactly, but I do.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
I will say, have some water. Don't go overboard, like
I think that having like a little bit of like
chemical water filtration and a water bottle or a little
water filter and a water bottle, you know the reason not.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
To Yeah, I will say specifically, like get a soil squeeze.
They are tiny filtration, better than most other filters that
are that size. Get it, put it in your backpack,
leave it there. They're handy to have, and then yeah,
get a little uh I like to have again, this
is a little comfort thing I like to have a
stain of steel now gene size bottle. It's not made
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by analogy think, it's made by clean canteen. I like
it so I could drink water out of it. I
like it because it's not plastic. And I like it
because I can use it to heat up water when
it's really cold and have it like a little hot
water bottle and snuggle with it. Yeah, so that's a
nice thing.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Yeah. I use also like a single wall steel canteen
so that you can heat water in it. If you
get the double wall ones, then you can't heat them
over the fire because they're you know, vacuum insulated or whatever.
But then other people I know are like, well they
want the ability to have like and they're insulated deep bottles. Sure, yeah,
you know you do you so, I will also say
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battery packs for phones is a big one. Again, you're
less likely to need to hunt squirrels with axes, and
you're more likely need to keep your phone charged and
other people's phones charged.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
One of those little hydra charging cables, which you know
breaks one.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
That's what I was about to say to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
get get.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
One of those, Get a little war water and keep
it in there, so you can turn a wall socket
into a USB socket if you need that to charge
your stuff. Another thing that is surprisingly handy and lots
of situations is I like to run a lot, and
sometimes you're doing ultramarathon. When you get to the aid station,
they just have like big things of water, right, and
you fill up your little water bottles. You're carrying your vest,
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and lots of people have these tiny collapsible cups that
are made of like a thin rubber. They're made of
the stuff that camelback gladders are made of. And then
they can fill up that cup and they can drink
from it, and they just keep it attached to their vest, right,
and then off they go running along. Oh interesting, These
are very useful and I've started incorporating them and lots
of my travel and like, yeah, emergency supplies because if
you're in a place where people don't have cups, right
(42:47):
that they have big things of water. Now you have
a vessel from which to drink. So those are surprisingly handy.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Yeah. I also keep one of those. I don't know
if it's the same one you're talking about it, but
it like collapses up almost like forty and stuff.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, it's like it's like the camping ones, but it's
way lighter than those.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Ah Okay, I have the camping style one and I
keep it in there as a like emergency dog ball.
Yes I know.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah, those are great for that too, and you can
drink hot things out of them, which is nice.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yeah. And another thing that I keep in my go
bag is I keep the meds that my dog is on,
and I keep some of the meds that I take
in there. And you know, it's like, my dog only
gets the meds once a month, So I go to
my bag and I pull out the meds and I
give them to my dog from my bag, because why not.
And if you have, you know, other people, whether they're
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not fully grown yet or are that you also take
care of, you know, you need to make sure you
have a little bit of their stuff in there, Like
like you keep a dog toy in your go bag. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, if you have a child, keep a child toy.
If you need to keep medicines cold, there's a product
called freeo Fio. They're not paying me. I've never got
one for free. But you dip it in water and
it uses the evaporative cooling to keep your insulin cold.
I have used them. Oh, they are very handy, they
don't rely on electric. It's very nice. So yeah, if
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that's something that you need, then then then that is
hopefully something useful to you. My last thing would be
a little torch, a little pocket flashlight, or even better
a headlamp like a head torch, because lots of places
in La lost power, right, and if you're having to
go places at night, it's much easier if you can
see where you're going. Yeah, they're not expensive, they're great gifts.
Bring a few, give them to friends, make new friends.
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Hopefully this has repared you. The last thing, of course,
Margaret is a gold bullion with Ronald Reagan's face on it.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Oh, I forgot to mention that, Yeah, you need to trade.
Rather than having a system of mutual aid, which we
naturally do, instead, we should interject a complicated barter system,
ideally on the gold standard, in which shiny.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Metal replaces our naturally instinct to help one another. Yeah exactly, Yeah,
that's how it's been. That's that's humans, famously not a species.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Just bring a copy of Debt by David Graeber in
your Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeah, bring at the shrugs and then as you pass
the just start ripping that ship off, throwing it in there,
let it burn.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Having a paperback book if you like that. It's not
weight efficient, but you know what, like.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
That's how Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bring the Dawn of Everything
by David Graeber. That'll let'll occupy you through most natural disasters.
It's a it's a thick book. It is if you
can't reach something very handy.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Stand on that.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
He really thought he did us one final solid rap
David Graeber.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Yeah, and and and on rip to David wengro Is love.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yes, yeah, yeah, shout out to David. Wegrow the other
David than the less venerated David who also wrote that book.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
I always feel bad when I just talk about Gramer
stuff and they talk about Thought of Everything, and then
I don't talk about the other David. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Sometimes I'll just say the David's and then people will
look at me and yeah, totally the level. But I know, yeah,
yeah big to Margaret, I can say that David's. She
knows which David's. I mean, that's why we're friends.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Yeah. Well anyway, yeah, it's gonna be okay or it's not.
But you know what you weren't going to survive being
alive anyway. And keep your car half full of gas,
like when you're on your way home, and make sure
that you fill up if it's less than halfway full.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Plug your electric car in. Don't skip plugging your little
electric car in at night. Yeah, because the night that
you do is you know that you need it. So
do the little things take care of one another.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Yeah, it could.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
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