How Transphobia at a YMCA Took Over a Town

The past month the town of Port Townsend has become a nexus point in the war on Trans people. This episode we explain how, and what the community's response has been.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Warning for some pretty intense transphobia and miss gender ing.
Eighty year old Julie Jaman was permanently banned from her
local y m c A after demanding that a transgender
worker leave the women's locker room. Jaman said that she
was trying to protect little girls from a biological man

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and a women's swimsuit who was watching them undressed. So
this week, a few dozen people joined Jaman to protest
the y m c A. Some of the protesters, including her,
were assaulted by lunatics men dressed as women. Okay, first
of all, that granny rocks, But when pressed, Poor Towns
and Washington police said that Mr Mrs Jayman had an

(00:44):
emotional response to a strange male being in the bathroom
and helping a young girl take off her bathing suit. Well,
I should hope the response to that would be emotional, Yeah,
because this, you know, you can just picture this kind
of situation where they're rooming little kids, uh, completely inappropriately,
and you're you're you're doing the thing that a lot

(01:05):
of people want you to do and that a lot
of people watching would But I hope everybody is aware
that this, from what I understand, is pretty wonderful profit
for big pharma and medical systems. It's and what's happening
to children becomes even more disastrous. And you were protecting

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the kids. You were protecting the kids. I mean, they
should have a responsibility to do that. The Young Men's
Christians Association UH should be doing that themselves if they
were playing any role in this whatsoever. It's pretty frightening.
This is it could happen here. I'm Garrison, and today

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we're talking about a recent flare up of anti trans
hate and the anti trans protests and campaigning that's engulfed
a small town in North and Washington in what conservatives
describe as the culture war front. The past month, for
right media personalities and anti trans so called feminists have

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partnered together to create an international nexus point for the
increasing attacks on trans and queer people, resulting in a
wave of harassment, death threats, and rallies, including an upcoming
anti trans rally in association with the Proud Boys and
Three per Centers slated for Saturday, September three. Port Townsend

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is a small city of just around ten thousand people
located on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington State, just north
of Seattle. The city has a geographic footprint of just
under ten square miles. Over the course of the past month,
the quaint beachside city has become the focus of a
disinformation campaign against trans people and try gender inclusivity. But

(03:02):
unless you frequent right wing news outlets, you probably haven't
heard anything about this story, let alone are aware of
the massive amount of harassment and death threats being targeted
at trans people and their allies. Anti trans and far
right activists have already descended on this small city from
all around the country and plan to do so again

(03:25):
on September three, with Proud Boys and three per Centers
promising to show up. So what actually happened that escalated
things to this point? On July, an eighty year old
woman named Julie Jammon was in a pool locker room
and began verbally harassing a trans woman who was on

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the job as an employee of the Olympic Peninsula y
m c A. Julie Jammen asked invasive questions about her
genitals and later accused her of engaging in inappropriate conduct
while continuously mis gendering this employee. Both the employee and
y m c A officials and like everyone else present

(04:08):
in the locker room, have disputed Julie's highly publicized version
of events, which we'll get into in a bit, but
first we're going to hear from the original target of
the harassment. A few days ago, I was able to
talk with Clementine Young trans woman about what happened to
her near the end of July while working at the

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y m c A. It was a pretty normal day
that week. We were doing uh, swimming with the kids,
uh and man the other childcare workers, uh, you know,
use the locker rooms kind of as expected, and I

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was using the woman's locker room just because you know,
that works for me, um, and that lines up with
how I feel. We went through all that no problems.
We got the kids, the kids got changed and their stalls,
and then once we were out in the pool, one
of the kids needed to use the locker room bathroom,

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so I took that kid and another kid into the
locker room in accordance with the wise rule of three system.
To clarify, at the y m c A, there is
a quote rule of three where staff always accompany children
in a group of three, so that a staff person
is never alone with a child and children are never

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alone with each other. As Clementine was standing with a
kid outside the restroom stall, waiting on the other kid
who was using the bathroom, Julie Gemmond was showering nearby
in a curtained off stall across the locker room. I
was waiting outside of the bathroom stall with the kid
being the buddy, making small talk when Julie Jaman initiated

(05:58):
the dialogue by asking if I was a member of
the lgbt Q plus community. I responded, yes, I'm trans
and she asked me if I had a penis, and

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it kind of caught me off guard. Um, and I
and I told her that, you know, that's none of
your business. Um. Julie asserted that I needed to leave
and that I can't be there. And then in response
to her assertion, I just shook my head. Now, Um,
I couldn't really leave or I'd be leaving the kids unattended.

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And you know, I was backed into a corner the kid.
At some point, Um, the kid using the bathroom exited
the stall and had her swimming. Her bathing suit like
wasn't fully pulled up, and she asked me for help,
and so I assisted her by pulling it up by

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its straps, and you know, there were other patrons present
in the locker room at this time, and at some
point around the girl coming out and needing her straps
pulled up, Julie was back in her shower stall, and
then around this time, two more kids entered the locker room.

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It might be good to mention I have prescribed glasses. Um,
I wasn't wearing my glasses and I couldn't see anything,
which is kind of terrifying, because you know, it was
like a shot in the dark, like I just heard
a voice and I had to search around before I
figured out who's talking to me. But anyways, uh, the kids,

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two more kids came into the locker room and they
overheard Julie shouting at me and asked me what was
going on, and like they had this concerned look on
their face, and I just kind of told them to
leave because I didn't want them to get involved. The
kids went to the pool manager, Rowan, and asked for

(08:12):
help with the escalating situation. They went straight to her
and asked her to come help and told her that
someone was yelling at me. And moments later, Rowan entered
and as she walked by. I got her attention, and
I told her, you know, there's an older lady yelling

(08:32):
at me to leave right now. Uh, And I pointed
at the shower stall that Julie was using. Roan kind
of like posted up and Rowan stood in between me,
the kids, and Julie and waited for her to come out.
And then Julie you know, poked her head back out

(08:53):
and said get out, you're a man. Um and Rowan
you intervened when she sort of like popped back out
and said, no, actually, you need to leave because right
now you're discriminating and kind of being a bigot. So
it's actually that you need It's actually you that needs

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to leave right now. And Julie told Rohan she was
confused about gender. And then Julie pointed at me and said,
he has a fucking penis. He has no business being
around little girls. He has a penis, and he could
rape someone. And after that, Rowan uh sort of ushered

(09:35):
me and the girls out of the locker room and
uh told me to go to her office, and then
the other staff members found me and helped me. Um
and Rowan stood outside the lobby side of the office
when I was in there, and um, I guess like, yeah,
after the police have been called, Julie came out and

(09:56):
engaged with her, uh, and they were yelling, but I
kind of hear what was going on, and I mean,
that's kind of the end of it. I know that
Julie left after that. I just kind of checked out
for an hour two. It shocked me. I haven't had

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someone do that to me before. I've never been talked
to in a bathroom or locker room before, especially in
that way. The y m c A pool manager told
Julie Gemmen that she needed to leave and suspended her
membership for violating the Wise Code of Conduct, which prohibits

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quote discrimination, hatred, derogatory or unwelcome comments, intimidation, conduct or
actions based on an individual's sex, race, ethnicity, age, religion, disability,
sexual orientation, or any other legally protected status unquote, as
well as having no tolerance for disrespectful words or just

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ors towards y m c A staff or others. Part
of an official statement released by the Olympic Peninsula y
m c A, published as the incident in question was
growing into a much broader anti trans spectacle, clarified that
Julie has had quote several incidents where she has repeatedly
violated the wise Code of conduct, specifically using disrespectful words

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or gestures towards y m c A staff or others,
and abusive, harassing and or obscene language or gestures towards
y m c A staff or others. The aquatics manager
then informed the patron that she was permanently suspended from
Mountain View Pool and all Olympic Peninsula y m c
A facilities unquote. After Julie was banned from the pool

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on Monday, August one, she started showing up outside the
facility with anti trans signs and led a small group
of people into a city council meeting, resulting in an
hour of public comment logged about the incident. Here is
some of the statement Julie read in the city council meeting,

(12:08):
which also gives a look at her version of events
at this time. Podium, state your name and where you
live for the record, Peninsula, and I'm here because I
had an experience that you need to know. I have
sent it to you all in detail. In an effort
by the city and the y m c A to

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apply the neocultural gender rules at Mountain View pool dressing
shower room facilities, women and children are being put at risk.
My experience while showering after my swim was hearing a
man's voice in the women's dressing area and seeing a
man in a women's swimsuit watching little girls pull down

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their bathing suits in order to use the toilets in
the dressing room. I reacted by telling him to leave,
and the consequences that I have been banned from the pool.
There is no signage informing women the shower room is
now all gender and what that means, Nor have parents
been informed of what they can expect with these news policies.

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The why has not provided any dressing shower room options
for women who do not want to be exposed to
men who identify as women. The y m c A,
the city, the police and sheriff's, the parents, the professionals
who assist victims of royealism, peeping tom's, pedophilia, and assault

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need to come together to figure out how to make
the new policies work for all pool patrons, not just
one group. How to keep children who are less able
to discriminate safe. It is ironic that women who discriminate
when a situation threatens their safety or their children. A

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message from our ancestors are now cused of discrimination as
if they have made someone else a victim. We need
to do much more intelligence and wise about applying the
rules and developing policies that are respectful and inclusive. Thank you,

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thank you so. Just a few notes about that. Trans
inclusivity at the Y is not some new policy. For years,
it's been literally Washington state law that people have the

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right to access the locker rooms, changing rooms, and bathrooms
that align with their gender identity. This has been the
case since the law states, quote, entities shall allow individuals
to use the gender segraded facilities such as westrooms, locker rooms,
dressing rooms, and homeless or emergency shelters that are consistent

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with at individual's gender expression or gender identity unquote. And
regarding Julie's account of the incident, there have been no
complaints from children or parents who are using the pool,
and multiple accounts conflict with Julie's telling of the story,
as the employee never did help anyone undress, nor was

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watching anyone change. Throughout this city Council meeting, there were
several public comments in support of trans rights that pushed
back on Julie's outrageous claims and called out the overall
trend of mis gendering and the groomer style transphobia. At
the end of the meeting, city officials themselves took a

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stand against the transphobic rhetoric that was present throughout the
hour of public comments. Oddly enough, for this show, one
of the people I interviewed for this episode serves as
a Port Townsend City councilwoman. My name's Libby winstrom Um.
I'm an elected city councilor for the City of Port Townsend,

(16:05):
and I'm speaking today on as myself rather than as
a representative of the city or a representative of the
city council as a whole. When did you first kind
of hear about this thing that's now ballooned into this
larger issue with people coming in from out of state
to do protests and all this kind of stuff. I
think I first heard about it on Sunday night, which

(16:27):
would have been I guess the thirty one of July.
And I heard about it from the y m c
A Aquatics director Rowan mackins Um, and it was more
in the tone of kind of a heads up that
this was a thing that was going on, and then
I heard a lot more about it the next day,
which was Monday, the first of August UM when uh

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Julia Jaman showed up at the pool with a whole
group of people doing a protest that they were picketing
at the pool, and she also sub had a public
comment to the City council meeting that night. And at
that point I realized that a group of people, including Julie,
was probably going to plan on attending the City council
meeting UM and reached out to some friends and acquaintances

(17:14):
in the UM trans and Allies community, UM Olympic Pride, UM,
the Social Justice Group and at the Unitarian Church here
in town and various other people who had been kind
of resourced and say, hey, this is going on, you
need to be aware of it. And in fact, that
night there was over an hour of public comment. There

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wasn't anything on these council agenda. There wasn't anything we
were discussing. It wasn't really a matter. It wasn't really
i think, even on the city's radar. But people showed
up the City council meeting. And normally when there's a
public comment about an item that's not on the agenda.
They cut off public comment at half an hour, but
for whatever reason, let it run that night, so it

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was well over an hour of public comment. And some
of the things said, we're pretty shocking, and um, you know,
to the to the tune of that you know all
transgender people were pedophiles, or that you know, this was
a rape happening, and some some stamons that were just
not true. And then based on what I heard that night,

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I was really concerned and felt that this was both
you know, this was ballooning out of proportion, which now
seems kind of funny given how much more balloon it's
out of proportion. It's gotten. There's not really any action
here for the city or for the pool. I mean,
one of the things that Julia Jaman has retained legal
counsel and sent a demand letter to the city. But

(18:42):
her demands were like, well, you should fire people, Well
they don't work for the city. There y m c
a place. Um, well you should change your policy. Well
the policy is literally stayed law and you know a
bunch of things, so it's just you can't do this. Um,
So it's not really clear why this is all focusing
on the city because the city doesn't really have there's

(19:03):
not really any action that the city could take here.
On top of the dozens of people Julie lead in
giving public testimony, which largely consisted of transphobia, miss gender ring,
and baseless accusations that trans people are pedophilic inherently. But
that same day, August one, she also led a protest

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outside of the y m c A. To learn more
about this, I talked with Cass and Raven, who are
both part of a local affinity group. The first protest
was August first, and they announced that they'd be back
the same time on the second, third, and fourth, So
the second drew a much larger counter protest um, and

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then a lot of the same people who were there
on the second came back the third and fourth, but
there was nobody to counter protest against because the protesters
gave up and went home after one day when they
saw the kind of backlash they were facing, And most people,
I think, thought that was the end of it, But

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people who do this kind of thing more often realized
that this was more likely the vibe of the beginning
stages of something bigger. A lot of red flags went
off when we found out they were protesting at a
city council meeting planning to come back the following week. Oh,
that's right. That was The other thing was the council
meeting on the first, where there was a lot of

(20:32):
public comment logged. It seemed to us like this was
going to escalate further, but other people um tended to
feel that it was going to be a quick, you know,
one and done type thing with how fast the news
cycle picks up a new issue. And I think it

(20:54):
was probably about a week later on the council meeting
on the eighth, because by that point we knew about
the planned urf action on the fifteen. That's when it
started to click for a lot of people that this
was going to become a bigger thing. But I don't
think anybody, including us, thought it was going to become

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an ongoing issue. When I searched Court Townsend on Twitter
and saw trending hashtags on a wall of anti transferator,
a lot of red flags went off. Since the city

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council public comments, the y m c A had started
receiving threatening phone calls, and Jamen had been returning to
facility nearly daily with some friends to protest, approaching everybody
coming in and out of the pool and talking about
how men are allowed in the locker room and bearing
signs that miss gendered the employee. Julius group had said

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they were going to be picketing every day at the
pool that week. Um that they showed up and they
were about a hundred counter counterprochesters isn't even really the
right word, um people that were there. Was sort of
like a little pride parade there and um, Olympic Pride
had a kind of a booth table set up and
we're handing out pride flags and the Social Justice group

(22:33):
from the kof had a um, you know, standing on
the side of love banner, and there were kids blowing
bubbles and and it was just it was much more
of it. Just kind of a lot of people here.
As these initial picket style protests were happening in front
of the y, the head of the Jefferson County Transgender
Support Group called some friends and assembled this sort of

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counter protest to voice their support for the trans employee
and the y m c A, which resulted in this
gay s trans rights party massively overshadowing Julie gemmen and
her friends little protest. As she was getting outnumbered in person,
Julie took to alternative tactics by getting in touch with

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media outlets that will give her a soapbox, resulting in
a new wave of harassment targeted at the y. There
were about a hundred people and it was I think
it was Julian one or two other people, and people
had some conversations with Julie, and it sort of seemed
like that was going to be the end of it.
And the next day the pool was closed and about

(23:38):
fifty trans Right supporters showed up and nobody showed up
to pick it, and the pool was closed because pool
employees were receiving death threats and just so much harassment.
They basically couldn't use their phones because the phone lines
were jammed and voicemails were filling up in fifteen minutes.
Things like that, um so, and then the pool ended

(24:01):
up staying closed, I think from the third which was
a Wednesday, all the way through that week and the
and the following week, and it was just kind of
a safety issue of not wanting to have children present
for day camps and patrons there if they were going
to be harassed right after, I think probably on Monday,
the first um of August, Julie reached out too. There's

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a local sort of far right blog site called the
Port Townsend Free Press that isn't really a newspaper a
news source at all. It's it's kind of this this
one guy, Jim James Guarantino's blog, and she reached out
to that, and he did an article That first Portstownsend
Free Press quote unquote article came out to August two

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and served as a mouthpiece for Julie's inflammatory version of events,
coupled with some conservative transphobia. More reputable news outlets and
local press didn't really cover the story until it had
already turned into a idle topic on the right, which
means there was over a week where the only documented
right up of the incident was the Port Townsend Free

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Press blog post. Two days after that piece was published,
Andy Knows the Post Millennial posted an article largely pulling
directly from the Port Townsend Free Press right up, and
that was just the start. The next day, August five,
Ben Shapiro's The Daily Wire did an article about Julie

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Gammond and the danger of men watching little girls undressed
in the locker room. Later that night, the story was
on Laura Ingram's Fox News show, citing reporting from the
Post Millennial, which of course cited their reporting from the
Port Townsend Free Press. And across the country in Washington

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State we found perhaps the most maddening story of the week.
An eight year old grandmother was banned there from her
y m c A after demanding that a bio logical
mail leave the woman's locker room where little girls were undressing.
They then went to play clips of Julie's public comment

(26:10):
at the city council meeting, amplifying Julie's ever changing, altered
version of events. Now on the national stage, I think
the mainstream actual, you know, real local newspapers didn't pick
it up until the seventh or the tenth, respectively, for
the Peninsula Daily News and the Leader, and that gap

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when they amplified it out to the larger right wing press.
This got picked up by Bright Barty, got picked up
by the Daily Mail. They kept quoting that original portents
of Free Press article, which was very inaccurate about in
terms of what it described as having happened, and I
mean it was both outright wrong and it also left
a bunch of things out, like that the transgender person
was a ymc A employee, for instance, or that they

(26:54):
were in the locker room because they were supervising children.
Um and uh uh, I think we're really hit a
crescendo on Thursday, the ninth sheet, now earlier whatever, not
Thursday's past week, but the previous Thursday. Um, it was

(27:15):
on Tucker Carlson. And that's where I really saw the
email volume explode for people from outside the area, where
it was like, you know, you're getting thirty emails in
five minutes, and they're from you know, they're from Texas,
they're from Tennessee, they're from New Jersey, they're from Australia,
they're from the UK, etcetera. That when it got picked
up by Fox News, the reach really got broad. The

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first time the story was covered on Tucker Carlson. Tonight
took place on August eleven, in an episode guest hosted
by Brian Clemide by m c A has changed a
lot over the years. Now, women and young girls at
the y A finding themselves in locker rooms and showers
with men who identify as women, but they still have
all their genitalia with them. And if you're complaining to

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the y m c A about the jennet tell you
and what they're dressed like, you might get yourself banned.
It's would exactly happen to an eight year old woman
in Washington State. Here to explain, but not actually make
excuses for, but explain, is our West Coast correspondent, Seattle
based radio host Jason Rance. Jason set the scene. Yeah, so,
I mean, here's the scene. Democrats used to stand up

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for women, but now they can't even define one. And
as a result, you have eight year old Julie Jamon
who said she was banned from a pool and locker
room facility that was managed by the Olympic Peninsula y
m c A on Port Towns in Washington. Now. She
said she was headed into the locker room to shower
and she saw something pretty alarming. She explained what happened
at this council meeting. Then a clip from the public

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comments please and I will not subject you to that again,
but here is a little bit more of that clip.
So a number of residents showed up to support her
at this council meeting. But the mayor, his name is
David Faber. He was not pleased, accusing them of transphobia.
Townsend is a welcoming community and hate and discrimination has

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no place in this community. I listen to you quietly.
I would like you to listen to me quietly. Now.
Given the rise in harassment and bigotry the trans persons
have experienced recently, it's essential that we all speak up.

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The cis gendered people like me speak up in support
of our trans community. Now, Jamond says the staff accused
her of being discriminatory. The YMC put out a statement
basically saying we're not going to tolerate the bias, discrimination
or hatred. And of course, in Washington State, the law
allows anyone to use locker room changeing remember bathroom that

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aligns with their gender identity. So they're basically saying, we're
doing what we have to do, except, of course, protect
women who don't want to see this. Unbelievable. That guy
should be ashamed of himself behind the mask in the
media after methodist, did you see it alluding to this
scale or did you think this is just like a
one and done traumatic incident. Absolutely not, um, I I

(30:06):
really just thought, you know, oh my my days. Calm.
I finally had the bad bathroom experience, and and I
know a lot of people do have that bad experience. Um, nobody,
nobody is ready for it to be you know, to
have this much attention called just such a small thing. Um,

(30:33):
because I wasn't ready for it to be like this,
because yeah, it's escalated to the point where you're like
on international news for these like right wing grifters who
are trying to basically get trends people killed. Um yeah,
and you're I don't know, it's really it's really upsetting
to have my face and and name, you know, sort

(30:56):
of be pushed out like that. And it it's crazy
how that feeling, the sinking feeling when I saw my
name and face I don't even think it was my
face at the time, when I saw my name appear
on that local PP Free Press article, and you know,
at the time it was that still a pretty big impact.

(31:19):
And then to have that just keep happening and it
got it gets like kind of depressingly numbing. Yeah, just
have it keep intensifying. I mean, yeah, I've been on
hormones for almost a year now and I've avoided that
for kind of reasons like this that it sucks because

(31:43):
I just feel like, I feel like this is a
very common experience with trends, people who are like starting out,
like you just can't really go anywhere because you look
too weird to go in the men's room and you're
not quite like you don't feel comfortable the woman's room
because of stuff like this, and you know, if you're
not in binary, then if it's a whole other issue,
like where the fund do I go, Like there's there's
there's not a lot of options sometimes, but then to

(32:06):
have something that's already very stressful we turned into like
a fucking like Daily Wire New York Post Info Warship
is like like what like like it's we like Tucker Carlson,
like all of it. It's really it's disappointing that there's

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this idea that I, you know, I'm I'm actively trying
to violate people's space, and and it's really frustrating because
of how uncomfortable I feel putting myself in that position,
being in that room. Um, and I don't want to
have something like this happened, and I don't, you know,

(32:52):
I don't abuse that space because I'm not some guy
trying to prey on people I'm I'm just trying to
use the bathroom and get changed, and and you talk
about like, oh, you know, walking in penis, hanging out
and and all of these things. But I don't change

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in the public space. I go into a changing room,
and you know, I I understand, you know, that confusion,
and I try to subtract myself from the space as
much as possible and make it, you know, more comfortable.
When when I'm in a position like that where I'm
trying to, you know, sort of entertain a kid who's

(33:37):
not happy to be a bathroom buddy, and and I'm
kind of putting that position where I have to talk, um,
it's super vulnerable and and I just remember feeling small
and and I just shrunk when she talked to me
like that. And I don't even the space just got

(33:58):
so small. Take backing off the groomer and growing anti
trans attacks we've seen this year a large swath of
right wing influencers and media personalities jumped on this story
to drive outrage and push their rhetoric. Here is a
brief clip from Newsmax. They're more than willing to just

(34:18):
ignore possible pedophilia happening at the y m c A
in the locker room. Well, it's from my point of view,
it seems more like some sort of hypnotism. I know
the word woke has been put to it, but I
have to tell you that all public agencies I'm connected
to as a citizen in a very small town, they

(34:39):
are all operating with this gender identity. And you've got
to wonder what is happening and those most private places
that people, particularly women need to have. We've we've had
you on we've had you on the show a couple
of times now, and you seem very level headed. Yes,
very very level headed. Indeed. Um By now, the story

(35:02):
has been headlined and obviously very mischaracterized and transphobic fashion,
but still headlined by The Post, Millennial, The Daily Wire,
Fox News, Daily Mail, Bright Bart News, Max, Info, Wars,
New York Post, the Federalist, and the quote unquote feminist
news site Redux. As false retellings about what happened in

(35:26):
the Olympic Peninsula, y m c A went viral on
the right. Threatening emails and phone calls started pouring into
the y m c A, prompting them to shut down
the entire facility for over a week, leaving many local
families without childcare services. Intense harassment and death threats were
sent to city officials who voiced support of trans rights,

(35:50):
and also to the pool manager. In my conversation with
Libby Winstrom from last week, she detailed some of the
threats and the impact the harassment has had on the community.
A lot more of the ire is now kind of
directed at the city and the mayor and just at
the pool director and less at employees. UM. The transgender

(36:15):
employee who was you know, attacked in the locker room
by Julie Dremond is actually no longer. Why UM and
other people have left is another undisclosed location, just out
of concern of trying to get the kids as far
away from this whole process as possible. And and so

(36:38):
that took a little bit of time in juggling to
set up, and they were so short staff they were
actually calling for volunteers in order to try to keep
the childcare open this week just because UM they were
already somewhat short staffed, and with people leaving, it had
just been even harder. UM the y has been open

(36:58):
I think all week this week. I think it was
open Monday, Tuesday. Today's Wednesday. UM. So it has been
able to reopen. They've they've changed the schedule around. It's
now not open Saturdays again. UM. And shuffled. And I
think some staff are working seven days a week in
order to try to keep it open. UM. People are
still getting threats. UM, still getting I got a terrible

(37:21):
email last night. I haven't been getting death threats. I've
been getting things like, UM, you know you're a disgusting,
fat pig bitch. Why don't you go back to the buffet? Um?
And you know, things like that. It hasn't for me
been death threats. UM. The pool director was receiving photographs

(37:43):
of her children saying there next and UM some pretty
explicit threatening messages like I'm coming for you, I know
where you are. UM. And mayor favorite has been getting
similar things. He got one where somebody was threatening to
come to his home and rape his wife. UM. So
these have been pretty horrifying messages. For the most part,

(38:05):
most of the email has voicemails have been coming from
out of the area. You know, they're not they're not local. UM.
So it's a little hard to gauge whether these are
serious threats. But at some of you feel like you
have to take it somewhat seriously. UM, and that I
think has been pretty disruptive both for the y employees
and for the city. As Julie's retelling of the story

(38:28):
was going viral across the right wing and turf media,
resulting in the pool having to temporarily shut down, so
called press conference was scheduled outside of another city council
meeting for August by Julie and her allies. There's a
local UM she builds yourself as a sort of radical

(38:51):
feminist UM named Ami Susa, who has a uh so
anti trans blog site and UM, she has really taken
this and run with it. So I plugged in, but
not well, She's really taken this and run with it,
and has I think has been really this kind of

(39:12):
driving force between behind a lot of this amplification onto
far right media. UM and Amy Susa held a what
she built as a press conference on the August fifteenth,
the night of the most recent UM City Council meeting,
and showed up with a group of I don't know,
probably twenty five or thirty supporters and there were estimates

(39:37):
are between three and fifty and four hundred. Um Trans
writes folks from town. I mean that there were local
who had just showed up and most of them were
waiting in line to go into the council meeting and
you know, flying flags and raising gland at banners and stuff. UM.
But there was some heated shouting and one person got
arrested for shoving. There weren't any charg charges filed. I

(40:01):
did confirm that with UM UH the Sheriff's office, UM
that with the courts that that not no charges got
filed out of that, which is contrary to those stories
they've been putting out that like there were some charges filed,
that's not true. I believe there were about three hundred
people that came out to confront less than twenty UM

(40:24):
people coming to try and bring hayten to our community.
And it feels like that really inspired a lot of
the different networks to get connected. UM. Our personal little
networks are incredibly white. Most of us are are trends
of Summer guard UM and we were reached out to
by a local bipop community that we've we've had some

(40:49):
crossover with, but not a lot. But since this happened, UM,
just the interconnectivity with with that group has just exploded
after the press conference protests, footage of the event went viral,
spawning another new wave of right wing media outrage. Clips
from the quote unquote feminist re Dux magazine Twitter account

(41:12):
show Julie trying to give a speech while being drowned
out by chance in support of trans people, and at
one point someone running behind Julie to rip down a
Suffragette flag put up by one of the turfs, and
a side note, in some much less viral footage, we
can see turfs trying to rip Pride flags out of

(41:33):
the hands of people who are counter protesting. So conservative
coverage of the protest painted a pearl clutching picture of
scary trans people assaulting women. A few days after the
press conference, Julie Jammen herself made an appearance on Tucker
Carlson Tonight. Julie Jaman is one of them. She's eighty

(41:54):
years old. She's duben banned from stepping inside a Y
m C A Y because she dared to object when
a male employee was assigned to watch little girls remove
their bathing suits in the bathroom in a women's locker room.
So this week a few dozen people joined Jaman to
protest the y m c A. Some of the protesters,
including her, were assaulted by lunatics men dressed as women.

(42:17):
Here's some of the footage from that on Monday. You
may have read some version of my personal experience. A
naked old lady and the women's shower room and what
I saw that day. You can see sense woman screaming

(42:53):
at her. Julie Jaman is the woman, the brave woman.
Just on the video she joins us sight Julie, thanks
so much. We're grateful that you are joining us. Why
at this stage in your life are you taking it
upon yourself to to speak up against this in the
face of what we just saw. I was in the
shower and I saw that man in that women's suit,

(43:16):
and I saw him watching little girls. You can't not
act when you see that going on. You must do something,
So I and and bless you for doing that. That's
exactly right. Your your moral sense is just is clear.
I have no idea what your background is, but you
have a very clear sense of right and wrong, and
I wish more people had it. So you tried to

(43:36):
explain that in the video we just played, and rather
than listen to you, people screamed at you. And then
appeared to come at you. Have you noticed there's no
conversation about this. There was. It was a mob of
hundreds of people that came streaming into this permitted gathering

(43:57):
and they kettled us. I think that's what you'd call it.
They pushed, shoved, they knocked women to the ground. These
are the men and the supporters of men that apparently
the y m c A and the city want to
allow into the women's dressing and shower area. I object,
and you, at the age of eighty, were banned by

(44:20):
the y m c A. M. It's hard to even
believe this is real because you were taking a shower
and there was a man in there and they banned you,
not him. What could tell us if that's true? A
and B? What y m c A is this? Yes,
that's correct. I told that guy to get out of
the shower, and then a staff member came around the

(44:40):
corner and I said to her, get him out of here,
and she said, that's discrimination. You're out of here for life,
and I'm calling the cops. Can you tell us what? Why?
M c Where did this happen? This happens in Port Townsend,
that's on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington State. It's just

(45:01):
it's I hope they are punished for the way that
they treated you, and I appreciate your bravery and forthrightness.
I do too. We did try and get the police
to come help us. They were standing across the streets
and they were told by a directive to stand down.

(45:22):
They did not come to help us. I hope they
wrought Juli Jaman, thank you for all you've done. I
appreciate it. Good to see you tonight. Throughout all the
media spectacle, I feel like the actual original victim of
this harassment has kind of been forgotten, despite them being
the current face of the transgender menace. In my conversation

(45:45):
with Clementine, we talked about what it's like to be
turned into this sort of outrage symbol, like I've I
watched the three hours of public testimony UM a few
nights ago, which was I was on I was on
so much caffeine. Um. Is that the meeting that happened

(46:09):
right after the incident or the Monday meeting from both?
I did both in one day. Yeah, it was yeah.
And one of the more shocking things was just how
how how miss one how mischaracterized the incident was and

(46:30):
to just like how much blatant miss gendering there was,
and like talking about you not as like an actual person,
but as almost this like evil archetype in people's minds.
Like it's so dehumanizing in a really bad way. Um
let alone all of like the like miss gendering stuff

(46:51):
like it's it was. It was wild watching this person
after person completely mindlessly create this villain in their own
head it's um and then just attached it onto an
actual human being who's like you, like, your privacy has
actually been violated, Like you're like like you're like like
private information, your pictures, names is going all over these

(47:14):
like like neo fascist news sites, and like if something
you know, people are framing this is like you know,
safety and privacy, Like if you want to look at
what's actually going on, it's so different. And there's such
a disconnect between watching all of that public testimony and

(47:35):
looking at all of you know, the the right wing
press of this incident and I don't know, it's it's
very depressive framing. It's really clear and disappointing when you're
the subject of it because I know what happened in
that space, and you know, there were people to witness
what happened, and we worked to get our reports out quickly,

(48:00):
but it just didn't you know, it didn't matter because
of how dedicated this woman was to getting her side
or whatever. I mean. In reality, it just feels like
she was dedicated to hurting. UM. I don't know what
her motivation was, but it's the blatantly false side of

(48:24):
the story that really hurts because accusations that I was
standing there watching I think they go anywhere from like
two to five kids. It's their number. UM. I was
watching the Tucker Carlson and I think I saw that
number five, watching five kids undress, UM, when that's just

(48:47):
not what happened. I was standing there with one kid
who was fully closed, chatting while we waited for another
kid to come out of the bathroom. And it's just wrong.
It's misinformation, and it's not about you know, it's not
even about UM pushing an agenda. It's it's about people's

(49:10):
livelihood and it's really damaging to have my privacy violated
like that, you know, UM, straight up, that's what it is.
It almost feels like you're just like this sacrificial archetype
that yeah, it's like they're not even but they're not

(49:31):
even like interested in you as a person. Really, they're
interested in you on this this this, this this like
idea and to project you onto this whole other idea,
which is so fucked up because you're an actual person.
Like yeah, well, and and you can see in the
comments and stuff on some of these that it's pretty

(49:52):
you know, I won't try to dig into like the ugly,
the ugly and the bad of Twitter, but uh, like
I've seen people say that I'm like a fully bearded man,
or like I'll be paralleled as a lumberjack, and it's
like or I mean, and not that you know, your

(50:12):
appearances matter, It's it's about how you feel. But it's
kind of, you know, interesting to see how I'm I'm
painted in such a weird and twisted light. Despite going

(50:42):
viral in the right wing and turf news sphere, local
sentiment in the port towns in the area has been
widely in supportive trans rights and not very pleased that
their town has been upended for over a month due
to one woman's personal prejudice and discomfort. I lived in
towns and for twenty four and a half years, and

(51:03):
in talking to people over the last couple of weeks,
I would say nearly universally, the local sentiment is, why
is this such a big deal? Like this, basically somebody
got startled in a locker room, made kind of a
jerk of herself, and is now trying to blow this
into some kind of international incident. And you know, here's

(51:25):
this little tiny town at the edge of the continent,
and we're like, why, why, why is this the most
important thing? You know? Why did you know dozens of
families not have child care for ten days? Why did
you know the y m c A employees have to
not get paid? Why? Why did you know? The The

(51:46):
impact of this has been so outsized relative to the
actually what actually happened. The person who started the initial
incident with the trans employee. It's it's kind of funny
in a way that, yes, she's gotten out her message
to the whole community, but it spread as a result

(52:08):
of the organizing against her and against the group of
people that she's bringing into the area. And it's gotten
to a point where just random community members that we
don't have any direct connection to our recognizing her and
knowing why she's a known person and are just kicking

(52:29):
her out of their businesses on site. It's like the
the backlash against that incident is really spreading really well,
and we're getting this really good organic network building throughout
the community. Earlier in August, before the big press conference thing,

(52:51):
various BIPOC and queer collectives and affinity groups started networking
and a solidarity meeting was set up to figure out
how to take of each other as the far rights
spotlight on the town grows. Myself and one another person
went and maybe a couple of others who I didn't know,
but the two of us were the main ones who

(53:11):
are more directly involved with the queer community side of
responding to what was going on, and it was really great,
like they just like, we want to support you, we
want to you know, help take care of you. What
can we do? And then for the action on the fifteenth,
when we were talking about, you know, like here's here's

(53:34):
the kind of response that we're wanting from the whole community,
but here's some of these background needs. Because none of
them were experienced enough with protesting to feel comfortable going
out on the front lines and doing stuff. They went
about a quarter mile away and set up a community picnic,
and I don't think people took nearly enough advantage of

(53:57):
it because the planning happened so last minute. They did
a great job of setting up in solidarity and in
solidarity and in support, and we're really looking forward to
working with them more. We spent the last few years
running small group basic medical classes UM and workshops and

(54:23):
really making connections like within our community and having this
come about and having everyone come up to one place
and see each other and going, oh, we know you
and I know you UM, and from different communities coming together.
We've really been able to enable those folks to come
together to start building more of a unified front. I

(54:45):
want to reiterate that with all the media spectacle, it's
important to not lose sight of the original target of
all of this hate and transphobia. The physical and mental
effect of such a massive wave of bigoted harassment and
boxing can take a substantial toll. I had to stop

(55:06):
going into work at a certain point because I couldn't
do it. I woke up in the morning and I
looked in the mirror and and I just broke down
because it was too much to keep going into keep
trying to bring that bright energy uh to work. Um,

(55:27):
and a lot of doubt. Uh, that's what I've been
experiencing is a lot of you see so many people
trying to divulge your character in a negative way, and
it's you know, it's toxic and it can kind of
seep through and make your life toxic. And that's why

(55:50):
I just had to stop looking because it hurt too
much and it's putting me in this limbo. I don't
feel like I gotten a break for a month. I
feel like I've just been tired and like rest. I
feel like I'm in purgatory. You know. Has there been

(56:12):
any kind of like support on the community level that
has been helpful? Yeah? Yeah, UM, I've been I've been
definitely grateful and um blessed to have the community response
be really astounding and supportive. Yeah. I've been given the
opportunity to be so much more connected with my local

(56:33):
queer community as well as my local community period. Um.
There were a lot of supportive voices, uh that made
it a little bit easier to ignore the darker side
of this. UM and elephant in the room. Uh, the
go fund me, I don't know how I would feel

(56:55):
if there wasn't you know, something rigid and like a
rock to lean on, like to go fund me, to
be able to have something hopeful will look forward to
and think that I can you know, be me, and
that I can afford being me. Uh. I don't know

(57:16):
how I would navigate the storm without something like that
in the distance. It's been overwhelming and I've just been
waiting for it to end, and it looks like it's
finally slowing down. But um, the support makes it easier.

(57:37):
And the support is a kind of attention that really
helps right now because it's dreking lye easy to feel bad, ah,
to feel just dissociated when when your life is kind
of thrust into a different lens in what felt like

(57:59):
a day, what kind of was just a day. For
a week this month has felt like longer than my
entire summer break. The situation in Port Townsend is not
over yet. In a bit, we'll talk about the upcoming
anti trans rally on September three. And there is this
kind of absurd irony that's not uncommon when digging into

(58:22):
these types of issues, that the types of talking points
common among reactionaries and all the complaints around violations of
privacy just end up actually being enacted by the people
who push these moral panics and so things that just
continue to kind of escalate and escalate. My understanding, And
I wasn't there for this. Is that yesterday which was

(58:47):
Amy Susan. I'm not sure if Julie Jahman was there
not because of cours Julie Jamons would be banned from
the pool. UM showed up at the pool with a
film crew and was trying to push their way into
the locker room when patrons were there in the locker
room trying to film inside the locker room and got
asked to leave. UM. So it's it's still continuing to estalate.

(59:08):
One of the things that I've been noticing a lot,
and it's something that for those of us who are
more involved, this is kind of a you don't say moment,
and it's the people who are coming in and making
accusations and making attacks against the community are very much

(59:30):
doing the exact thing that they're making accusations of. Uh.
There was an issue the other day of the people
who planned and hosted the protest at the council meeting
going into the y with a camera crew and demanding
to film the locker rooms while people were using them. Um,

(59:51):
there's lots of accusations that have been thrown that we
bust in people from Portland, and in reality, the main
aggre who are there in their group did come from
Vancouver area, or we're flown in from Texas, or we're
flown in from Texas. Yeah, like this was three d
people who live within twenty minutes of Court towns and

(01:00:13):
showed up because they care, and they had to fly
people from as far as Pennsylvania to post an hour
long press conference with twenty people. And so we're seeing
that a lot recurring. The person organizing this upcoming action
is also lives in Vancouver area and is inviting people

(01:00:35):
from all over to come up and start fights here
and try to get video of confrontations going. And everybody
up here wants to just be left alone and live
in peace, but they also want to show up and
they're kind of getting an opportunity to show up in

(01:00:56):
the most low effort way. It's it's in your own town,
you might as well up. I remember a few weeks
ago there was this headline from a federalist think piece
that when a bit viral for being a big Yike's
almost mirroring the fascist framing of blood libel. If you
replace quote the transgenders with quote the Jews, you'll see

(01:01:21):
what I mean. The headline reads, quote the transgender movement
is not just intolerant, it's barbaric and violent and it's
coming for your children unquote. Almost exclusively, its sources are
Twitter accounts like lives of TikTok and a few random turfs.

(01:01:42):
And this is what we mean when we talk about
how things that seem like they should just be insignificant
Twitter bullshit actually do affect the world off of social media.
This is how entire conversations on the validity of people's
existence get formed and directed. Now, the last section of

(01:02:03):
the Federalist story is about the Boston Children's Hospital, and
if you listened to yesterday's episode of It could happen here,
you can guess the kind of disinformation the article pedals,
and many readers, many of whom are not on Twitter.
We'll take whatever it says at face value. Same thing
for limps of TikTok stuff being boosted on Fox News.

(01:02:25):
The majority of the Federalist think piece, though, is about
Port Townsend and everything stemming out of the y m
c A incident, and the whole article is as terrifying
and fascistic as its headline. I remember seeing the Federalist
article headline and just being like, Oh, here's another another
piece doing the same thing. And I didn't realize it

(01:02:47):
was about like this specific incident until much later, and now, Yeah,
it's the kind of it kind of does play into
the idea that like, we know these things happen, you
just don't expect them to happen like right where you
are until what's until it's until it's going on. Yeah,
I've spent years screaming at a wall telling people that

(01:03:08):
this is coming, and UH really hope that all of
my preparation had been for nothing and it's happening in
my hometown now and getting national media attention everything from
you know and Shapiro to Info Wars to interviews on
Tucker Bacting the Trump presidency. We were pretty much just

(01:03:29):
gun nerds and UH had started a small little UH
gun club and we're inviting our friends and our local
queer community up to to learn about that. And it
went really quickly from that to people having more of
an interest in the medical suffering teaching specifically uh stopped

(01:03:52):
the bleed and UH so after the Trump presidency was over, UM,
a lot of people dropped off, and just the majority
of the people that stuck around happened to be trans UM.
But we continued offering these classes. We were posting ones
out here about the escalation, about stop the bleed, of

(01:04:13):
we're hosting the locks on stuff. UM. I think with
UM they're being such limited options for direct actions in
the area, a lot of people were kind of naturally
tending towards how can we better support our friends who
live in areas that are doing direct actions and we
started getting a lot more interest in those kinds of

(01:04:36):
support roles than medical training to de escalation, even things
like emergency preparedness and food security. UM yeah UM. But
because of that, we've just spent the last few years
running these just a small group like wonderful people UM
basically workshops on all these different subjects and bill somewhat

(01:05:00):
of a connection with the community, a bit of respect.
So when this happened, we actually had that to draw
on and we could really help enable people to organize
themselves and create some form of unity. So it's not
small groups of people coming in without a plan, but
a large group of people showing up all at once.
UM that we're not directly involved in any sort of

(01:05:23):
leadership of it's just naturally organically happened. UM. But have
really spent the last few years just feeling like cook
screening at a wall. UM until this happened in our
small town and completely unexpectedly, and now we're actually somewhat useful.

(01:05:44):
Before we close out, we do need to talk about
the upcoming Anti Twins rally planned for the afternoon of Saturday,
September three at Pope Marine Park. Organizers are explicitly tied
to the Proud Boys, and this rally is one of
the most clear examples of how Turf's self described feminists

(01:06:06):
or people just looking out for biological women's rights are
perfectly willing to ally with fascists if it means hurting
trends and queer people. The rally is billed as quote
a rally for decency, stand up against men in women's
public pool locker rooms, and tell the city of Port

(01:06:28):
Townsend to let Julie swim unquote. Yeah. The guy who
runs common Sense Court Conservatives, a man named Robert Um.
I always mess up his name M Zurfling. I think
it is Zurfings E r f I and g Um
who's associated in somewhere with the Proud Boys and his
associated with Roger Stone. He runs this blog called common

(01:06:51):
Sense Conservative. He is organizing something that's being billed as
quote rally for Decency unquote UM to be here in
Port Townsend on the Labor Day weekend Saturday, which is
the third and UM it's unclear whether this is going
to be a large event or a small one. They
have not as of yesterday, pulled a permit for that UM,

(01:07:14):
and there's some questions about, you know, if you're planning
a large event, what what's that kind of unfold? Like,
uhs is a tourist community and at this time of year,
we've got a lot of people in town over Labor
Day weekend. UM, so a large Proud Boy rallies is
kind of you know, it doesn't feel very comfortable. Is
It's kind of the first kind of big instant where

(01:07:36):
you've had these types of like, you know, more kind
of experienced activists on like the anti trans side or
on you know, affiliate with Proud Boys or whatever kind
of come in and try to make this problem inside
the town. We've had little bits and pieces of stuff. Um,
the Proud Boys or something kind of connected had a

(01:07:57):
kind of truck drive through parade rally in sort of
just prior to the election. Um, that kind of drove
through town and you know, a bunch of big trucks
and I think some people were open carrying, and it
was it was mostly a bunch of noise. UM. But
it hasn't. This is a very liberal community, um, and

(01:08:17):
it hasn't really hit us. This is also just for context.
This is a town of ten thousand people and and
it's the biggest town for you know, fifty miles in
any direction. So it's not you know, it isn't like
ten thousand people that's a suburb. This this is the
big town. This is the county seat. UM. So it's
we've been kind of insulated from a lot of things.

(01:08:39):
You know, we had, you know, we definitely had some
Black Lives Matter protests. We definitely had you know, we
had a big women's march in seventeen eighteen, but we
haven't seen the kind of explosive clashing protests that you know,
Seattle or Portland have. The far right is planning to
mobilize people from around the Pacific Northwest, pulling from folks

(01:09:01):
in Oregon and Idaho, and are expecting anywhere between fifty
to a hundred people to show up on the anti
trans side, especially people from Proud Boy and three percenter
affiliated networks. One of the leaders of the Washington State
three Percent of militia, Eric Road, has stated that he

(01:09:21):
will be present and is encouraging his followers to join him,
saying on telegram, quote, I don't care if five of
you show up or fifty if you show up, I
will always march against men staring at girls as young
as eleven pulling off their swim trunks. It would be
pretty cool if people could cancel their plans and show

(01:09:42):
up to stand against child molesters. God said, if you
even look back, I'll turn you into a pillar of salt.
I wouldn't have looked back, but I never failed to
answer the call to something so simple as don't stare
at little girls when they take off their clothes unquote.
He then goes on to do some unhinged rambling about

(01:10:05):
federal observation and his commitment to God and country, but
he ends that post by saying quote when I get
threatened by Antifa, all matched Antifa unquote, which I don't
even know what that means. The grammar on that is
very confusing. Another telegram post from a three percenter account reads,

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quote calling all patriots, all proud boys, all three percenters,
all lone wolves, We roll out to Port Townsend on
September three. Hope to see you there. We got proud
boys and three pers rolling in from all over unquote.
The three percenter crew is also planning a pre and

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post rally barbecue party on Friday and Saturday night at
Whidby Island, which sounds like an awful time. That sounds
like a horrible party. Our major concerns going forward is
if protesters keep coming out here, UM that the right

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wing will get more footage that they can spin, bringing
more attentions on this, bringing more harm to the trans
community across the country. UM that the right wing will
attack someone locally around here, or that all of the
spun footage will inspire someone from outside of the area

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or someone just sitting in the woods who will come
and pause serious harm to a large group of our
our local trans community. UM. And our intent is to
to be there to have some sort of response via
medical or otherwise trying to think of how to say this. UM.

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I've lived here on and off most of my life
and had started UM working towards transitioning, but due to
the national political situation, specifically when the former president temporarily

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got rid of trans protections and medical canceled all that
changed my medical records back and have been presenting as
a cis white dude since then, specifically because of the
amount of privilege that gives me and having a trans
partner who is working on their transition in this town

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while this is happening is hitting home to a level
that I was completely unprepared for. And the emotional impact
that all of this has been having on me, and
the fact that it's not just here but that this
is getting national attention is something I'm still trying to

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wrap my head around. And I'm just really thankful for
all of the networks that we've built in all of
the community, the local community, the broader Washington community, all
the people who have just shown so much support for us,
and it makes me feel like there is there is
a future where we can just be left in peace.

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And that is the story of what's been happening in
Port Townsend over the course of the past month, and
what could happen in the next few days. I'm going
to close this episode with Clementine discussing the details of
her go fund me. The go fund me is sort
of a general transition fund for me. I originally made

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it specifically for two surgeries. I low balled the amount
greatly because I felt like if I asked for too much,
I wouldn't get anything, and I still got nothing for
a long time. At some point, when the articles were
coming out, one of the nationals used one of the
national articles used my go fund me as a source

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um to find out more about me. But that got
my go fund me out there UM and a lot
of different people started picking up on it and spreading it.
I actually didn't do much at all to to help that.
I it was never something on my mind, the go
fund me. It just happened and I looked at it

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one day and I thought, that's strange. I have more
donations than the last time I checked, and it was
pretty empowering to see that, or or more hopeful um.
But now now so I talked about the go fund
me was originally for two specific surgeries, and I lobald.

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The amount um I later revised actually took me a
couple of times and a lot of consideration because I
didn't want to feel like I was cheating the people
that were being gracious to me, which I'm not trying
to be. But yeah, uh, finding out that things cost

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more than I thought, but you know, it's way better
than it was before. And to find it, I mean,
I'm pretty sure it's the first thing that comes up
when you look up my name now, which is better
than Fox News is video or or a daily wire
article or whatever. The big thing that would pop up

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otherwise is but um, yeah, it's called Clementine's Transition Fund
fund go fund me. You can find the transition go
fund me at go fund me dot com slash s
r s for clem and that link will be in
the description, or you can just search Clementine's Transition Fund

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on your search engine of choice. See you on the
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