The Trans Genocide Part 1: Eradication

Garrison and Mia are joined by Margaret Killjoy to discuss the year's violent escalation in anti-trans rhetoric and the legislation they've produced.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, welcome to it could happen here. We've got a
bit of a bit of a downer of an episode here,
but this is going to be part one of a
two part series talking about the the increasing war on
trans people that we've seen both on the rhetorical side
and on the actual legislative side. Um with me today

(00:25):
is mia Anna Margaret. How how are you doing on
this fine day? It's it's been. It's been really fun
frantically updating my part of the script because they're keep
being fucking new bills that are like going through committee.
So it's great having having a good time. I'm doing great.

(00:45):
I'm not aware of anything that's wrong. I assume you
all are here to tell me that everything's fine forever well,
hopefully next episode we'll talk more about how we can like, uh,
I don't deal with this sort of thing. I most
I it was my job to handle the bad part

(01:06):
of the of this two part series, and it was
the other people's job to handle the good part. So
I don't know what they have and planned for the
next episode. Actually all I all I did was watch
hours and hours of people advocating for genocide and put
together some of the worst bits that I feel like
are still worth mentioning. It's probably worth noting that the
two of us who are supposed to be writing about

(01:28):
what we do about it both have swords over our shoulders.
I can go grab a sword if that is If
that is a core part of the advice, I think,
so okay. So I think whenever I put together episodes
like these, I always try to be careful not to
I don't just want to include people who are talking

(01:49):
about why myself and others should die, like just like
I don't want to include that unnecessarily because that's just
kind of a bummer. But I think it is also
important to actually hear and understand the types of rhetoric
that they are trying to spread and they're trying to normalize,
and be aware of what techniques and what rhetorical styles

(02:12):
they are trying to employ. So i've I've condensed this
down as much as I can. You will still hear
a decent amount of pretty gross stuff. I think I
should have almost all of the machendering completely edited out.
I should have a whole bunch of things not not included.
But there will be a decent amount of rhetoric that
that you will hear from just as as a heads up.
That's what's going to be kind of part of this episode.

(02:35):
A lot of this is going to be talking about
hosts that are employed by the conservative news site ran
by Ben Shapiro, The Daily Wire. They have really, really
focused in an excruciating extent on anti trans like campaigning
and activism for really the past year. It got this

(02:56):
type of stuff got really bad last February, and it
once again got really bad is February. It's no coincidence
that this is also the start of the legislative cycle.
This is why they're doing this right now. It is.
It is part of an attempt to actually affect the
laws that the United States have around if trans people
are allowed to exist. It is. It is purposeful, So

(03:19):
we may as well just get started here. We're going
to start a little bit ld actually, so most of
this will be documenting the types of rhetoric they were
using in February to March, so the past like month
and a half. In early February, Candice Owens on her
Daily Wire show refer to transpeople as demonic while advocating

(03:40):
for the total ban of transgender healthcare for all ages.
The trans Lives Matter protesters decided to occupy the Oklahoma
Capitol building to fight GOP bills that ban gender conforming
surgery for people that are under the age of twenty one.
So that course that should be banned. If you are
in the age twenty one, you should not be honestly,
never be allowed by I would go a little further, Oklahoma,

(04:03):
if you really want to do something, just ban it
all together. Yeah. I love that, because they're always trying
to be like, no, no, no, we're just here to
protect the children, whereas we've known this entire time that
they're trying to stop anyone from being trans. Yes, this
is a pattern that will come up a lot in
the research I've put together for this is how last
year it was their fay much trying to make it like, no,

(04:23):
it's just about the kids. And then we were talking
about how first they're going to try to limit it
to eighteen years old, and they're gonna limit it to
twenty one years old, and they're gonna limit it to
twenty five years old. Then they're just going to ban
it all together. And that is very clearly what they're doing.
And they're now just saying the quiet part out loud.
So good on us for calling that a year in advance,
but now they're emboldened just to say it outright. So

(04:46):
kind of someone's refers to trans people as demonic leader
on in that clip. I'm not not including that bit
because just today Michael Knowles on his Daily Wire show
said that this so called transgenderism is is demonic, the
second second Daily Wire person to drum up this satanic
panic shit. This is demonic stuff, really demonic stuff. And

(05:09):
I made this point I got in trouble with our
publicists over at Media Matters because I said that the
attacks on man's sexual nature and sexual difference in complimentarity
are demonic, and they are. They go back throughout all
of history, throughout some of the earliest depictions of demons.

(05:31):
Even one of the most prominent depictions of demons comes
from an artist, Lafas Levy, who is an occultist, who
did a depiction of Baphomet. If you just think what's
a demon looked like, you're probably thinking of this picture. Okay, okay,
all right, that's not true. It's completely wrong. This is

(05:53):
this is really funny to be because for years now
I've been trying to say that being trends is not demonic.
It's very clearly alchemical. Please please get your occult terms right.
Thousands of years of alchemical development has delivered onto me
estradial valorate. It's it's very clearly alchemy. Um. But also
it's just extremely funny to me that Knowles tried to

(06:15):
cite Levy, Who's like, Baphamet isn't really a demon in
Levy's work, but like whatever, it's it's all it's extremely funny.
He goes on to talk about solidate and and Kigila,
which I've actually been planning to do an episode on
for a while. But it's it's all extremely funny too.
Is it worth describing that Baphomet is the statue of
the like hornheaded person with like Yes, often falsely falsely

(06:42):
identified as the Satan or a demon, But yes, it's
a very famous, very famous statue. Like if you think
of like the statue of Satan, this is what Baphamet
actually is. Yeah, it's it's not Satan, but I mean
the use of this like demonic rhetoric is a very
is it's very basic, like a dehumanizing stuff, trying to
de human eyes trans people, um, while also pulling from

(07:03):
like the remnants of the satanic panic that still exists
in some conservatives minds um. Moving on to a friend
of the pod, Matt Walsh Um. One of one of
his recent main targets is actress Dylan mulvaney. On February fourteenth,
Matt went on a mindless rant while continuously miss gendering

(07:25):
Mulvaney and attacking her appearance, at one point referring to
her as like doing a woman face minstrel show routine.
Which a reaccording thing about this is that all in
all of their rhetoric against transpeople, they also managed to
be incredibly racist yep, and like understanding what racism actually is,

(07:46):
which I mean is not surprising considering there they work
for the Daily Wire. I'm not going to actually include
the clip of Matt Walsh there because it's it's just
it's just miss gendering and like making fun of how
someone looks for like a minute, and it's all very gross.
Who is that actress? I just I live under a
rock Dylan Mulvaney. I think she does like Broadway stuff.
She's like a New York person. I've not I've only

(08:08):
I've ady really heard of her. Based on Matt Walsh's
continuing rants against this person, we can't have cross stressors
in the theater. Imagine we have to. I actually don't know.
I literally don't know how far back you'd have to
get to get to where people didn't play with gender
on stage. I think it's impossible. I think the further

(08:30):
back you go to worsing guests, because like you get
things where like only men could be on stage, and
it's like, well, okay, this is every Shakespeare before Wance,
et cetera, et cetera. In one of the more bizarre
Daily Wire appearances in this um so on, on February fifteenth,
a young dad who called into the Daily Wire sports

(08:51):
show Crane on Company talked about how dad's like him
are gonna cause dangerous problems if trans inclusive continues. The
hosts of the show agreed and said that violence will
be an inevitable response to trans women playing sports which
want to be brought up. But somebody said something about
dad being in the stand, finding out that for the

(09:14):
first time that somebody in the locker room was a male,
and that they were just hanging it all out in
front of their girls how I rate they would get.
My view is that, yeah, we're gonna have not just
one irate dad, We're gonna have a lot of I
rate dads. That's going to cause the massive problem in
the school system, and it's going to be very dangerous
for everybody because people are going to start taking in
their own hands because they're seeing that other people are

(09:35):
exactly jungle rules, as we call it, jungle rules. Exactly
at what point do we say, we've tried to talk
this out and hash this out with you, you're not
being reasonable. Those are part of my values. So it's
not even us saying go in there and handle business.
It's saying, I know what's going to happen the minute
that girl runs out of that locker room or a

(09:55):
couple of girls. Imagine if a twelve year old girl
ran out of the locker room and said that to her,
Just imagine that how great or whatever. Men shouldn't be
in women's locker room. But if a man that was
straight walked into a women's locker room with a trench
coat and just showed everything and started shaking like this
and got beat asleep, everybody would be doing this. They'd
be clapping. Great job. But you let the same thing

(10:16):
happen to somebody who says they think they're a woman
in there and does the exact same thing, then it's no,
it's a totally different situation. So while we're not advocating
for it, I'm telling you what's going to happen because
I live in the real world. I know what you
would do for your daughter. Yep, that man does not
live in the real world. No, And it's it's all, like,

(10:37):
it's this weird like trying to have some form of
like of like denial in their very clear advocating for
violence and like advocating for the normalization of just assaulting people.
I mean, I even feel like though this is like,
this is like last year's anti trans rhetoric, you know,
the like lowest hanging fruit was to come at us

(10:57):
about sports, this issue that affects the tiniest percentage of people. Yeah,
and it's it's it's the it's the blending of the
sports issue with like the locker room stuff. Yeah. Later
on in the show, another caller admitted that he would
assault transwomen, including his own children. M and the Daily

(11:17):
Wire hosts refused to push back on like any of this,
as this man just advocates child abuse. And I just
wanted to say too, as a as a new father.
I've got a new baby boy, uh, and I've got
a two year old daughter, And not only would I
want to beat somebody up for doing that to my daughter,
but I would beat my son up if he ever

(11:38):
thought about doing something like that in a women's locker room.
It's just again, and and I want to make sure
and again, we live in the real world. We know
what's gonna happen, because we're not even advocating violence, Like
I said, we're telling you what's gonna happen. These are
the fathers and the brothers and the uncles and the
mamas are it's gonna get to a point where they're
just gonna handle business like. And it's just it is.
It is what is We're trying to tell y'all this

(11:59):
in the threat, it's just a fore warning. It is
foreshadowing what's gonna happen. British are coming. Yeah, okay, but
but the British is coming. Is a really really funny
thing for an American to say about this, because he wait,
is he saying that they're the British they're trying to
do like a Paul Revere thing. Oh oh oh oh.

(12:19):
I thought they were trying to be like, we're gonna
show up and we're gonna handle business us. No, in
the opposite. I'm sorry, we are. We are warning that
if this insanity continues, then people will start violently assaulting
anyone who they suspect of being a man in a bathroom,
which will also just lead to like people assaulting like
like a butch sis woman as well. Like no, I mean,

(12:42):
it's like this has already been happening, like like one
of my friends can't get changed at the local gym
um even though they're assigned female at birth, because there's
no safe place for them to do it because the
way that they read, you know, like and I don't
know whatever. I mean, that's just one example of the
time my head. But it's just happening constantly. Suddenly we

(13:02):
have gender police everywhere, and everyone is expected to perform
masculinity and femininity and like weird sis normative ways that
everyone knows. I'm sorry, I'm just no, no, no no, But
I think there's something important about this too, which is
like and anytime someone tries to say, like, anytime someone
starts talking about the real world, this is the way
the world really works. Right, That's not an actual description

(13:27):
of reality, it's an it's an aspirational thing, right. And
the way that you make something real is through violence, yes,
And that's what all this stuff is absolutely and and
specifically speaking of violence and child abuse. The next day,
on February sixteenth, Candice Owens was discussing this, uh, this
like trans kids TikTok video about his grandmother's transphobic reaction

(13:49):
to him coming out. And it's it's also it's it's
just extremely grows. So these like these media people who
are paid millions of dollars spend their days may making
fun of trans kids on TikTok, like like random like
random miners on TikTok, We're making videos about their experiences.
And they then these these like these grifters and these

(14:10):
content creators who work on their right just like blast
these kids on their on their shows. They get like
millions of millions of viewers. I mean, this is the
entire lips of TikTok platform. But yours now seeing this
across like almost every mainstream conservative influencer. So on top
of Candice calling being trans a mental illness placed upon

(14:33):
you by society. Candas Owns also said that if she
had a trans grandchild, she would beat them with a cane.
It is a cry for help, and your grandmother answered
that cry for help by telling you that you are
loved as you are and that you don't need to
fall into this trap of insanity. You're the best grandma ever,

(14:54):
by the way, because when I'm a grandma, I get
any foolishness like that. I don't know. I want to
be a sweet grandma, they do. I want to be
a sweet old lady. But I feel like I might
be the kind hit somebody with a cane. I don't know,
I'll be like, why you're not calling you, Michael. I
feel like that will probably be me, but I will.
I would have prayed for you, you know, like a
thing that I keep thinking about. With this, like with

(15:14):
this Cannons clip, With most of these clips, it's like
they're just like laughing the whole time they're saying this stuff. Yep,
Like it's just a joke to them, right, It's like, yeah,
they believe it, but it's also it's just like a joke.
It's just something they can sort of like casually talk
about while like you know, fucking hanging out in their
show or whatever. And absolutely, because I mean the primary

(15:35):
goal for these people is is content creation. And yeah,
they're making suffering content for for and as well as
like normalizing this type of like violent response. Yeah, and
and and I think I think the sort of joking
thing is is a big part of how normalization works.
Like I don't think, like I think it would be
much harder to have someone just being incredibly serious going

(15:59):
like yeah, I'm gonna like beat my child with a cane,
right like if if if you do, When that's sort
of like joking, like matter of fact thing, it helps,
It helps normalize it enormously. Yeah. No, absolutely, I'm just
really sad thinking about the because acceptance by family, a
family that doesn't necessarily understand, but there's willing to accept.
It's like the thing that I think bolsters the spirits

(16:22):
of young trans people or adult trans people more than
anything else, you know. And I've been like reading a
bunch of history about like trans people from one hundred
years ago where their family or like all right, well
we don't get it, but what's your name now? Yeah,
And like a hundred years ago, we we could have
improved from there. And and this is something that the

(16:45):
Daily Wire definitely does continue to harp on across multiple hosts,
even like the next video that we have here Matt
Matt Walsh is doing like this is the same thing
they're they're talking about if they themselves had trans kids
or trans grandkids, that they would continue to be as
openly vitriolic and even violent against their own children. So

(17:10):
this next clip came like a week after Matt Walsh's
first unhinged rant attacking Dylan Muldaney. Walsh claimed that he
wouldn't stop barking vitriolic rhetoric if he had a trans kid,
that in fact, he would quote rather be dead than
discover he had a trans kid. A beautiful and innocent
kid one day, seemingly out of nowhere, gets sucked into

(17:33):
the gender call and is devoured by it. All of
their innocence and light and beauty just drained out of them,
replaced by this self cannibalizing madness. For a parent to
see this happen to a child, it is a fate
worse than death. I would rather be dead than have
that happened to my kids then die. We do argue

(17:56):
with you. I'm not on the debate team. This is
a mock trial. I keep thinking, whatever these things happen, like,
I keep thinking about Matt Chrisman's one good line, which
is we should give to Christians what they want and
crucify them, persecute, persecute all day, every day. So unfortunately,
there was more to that clip than Walsh just threatening
to kill himself using the like a groomer and protect

(18:20):
the children rhetoric that we saw go viral last year.
Walsh promises that mean words are only the beginning. See,
the thing that I most despise about Dylan Wolvani is
that part of a movement which actively seeks to turn
my children into Dylan Wolvni. That's why I'm entitled to
my anger and to whatever language I use to convey it.

(18:45):
I will say whatever I want to say, and I
will be justified in saying it, because these people are
after my kids and yours and everyone else's. And you're
worried that I'm being a little rude when it comes
to my children, the children that I cherish more than
my own life. If you think mean words go too far,

(19:08):
then you would be very shocked to hear how far
I would really go to protect them. Trust me, words
are the least of it. I love this. I would
do anything to protect my children, unless they're a gay,
in which case I'm good, like off myself or something
like yeah, just I mean, I mean, I don't know whatever.

(19:29):
Already the legally actionable things have already been said. Hey,
it's it's not my idea, it's only Matt Walsh's. This
is his idea. You know. I do want to go
back for a second to the early parts of this clip.
We are he's talking about like, oh, like you have
these like puerian innocent children and like the light goes
out of them, Like it's this thing that strikes you

(19:50):
about that so much. Is like she's describing the process
exactly in reverse. Like the thing that he's describing is
what is like, this is what happens if you try
agition a kid like by force, Like the thing that
actually happens when a trans kid transitions is like you
can you can literally see this in like like you

(20:10):
could you can like literally see this in pictures of kids.
It's like like you can wash the light come back
to their eyes. As a transition totally. No, yah, yeah,
and it's you know, it's it's it's one of sort
of like it's one of the most beautiful things about
being trans It's like is experiencing that joy and experiencing
like what it is to be yourself and then you
get to watch this fucking dipshit like just literally just

(20:33):
like taking the process as it actually happens, and then
like lying and saying it's like literally like lying and
saying that the thing that is making these people have
this joy is the like the thing that's fucking killing them. No. Absolutely,
that that's something that's often overlooked when covering this sort
of thing, is the like just the presence of trans

(20:54):
joy and the trans joy that can be experienced when
people are given access to the treatments that have been
like known to be successful for decades now. It's also
I mean, I don't know if you're intentionally going in
an escalating sense. This is the first person that I'm
looking at being like, oh, this man wants to kill me,
you know I am I am going in an escalating Yeah, yeah,

(21:16):
we escalate pretty far over the next bit. First, I
think let's let's have a bit of an ad break.
Do you know who doesn't want to kill you? Fifty
percent of the advertisers, at least at least fifty percent
of the advertisers don't want you dead because instead they
want your money. All right, we are back as as

(21:46):
previously stated, Like when when reporting on this topic before,
we've always said that the limited focus on transgender miners
was simply a form of rhetorical deception. Oh, somebody, please
think of the children. By conjuring concerns that have been
like culturally ingrained in US around the protection of children,

(22:08):
anti transactivists have been introducing and a normalizing anti trans
talking points that inevitably get used against trans people of
all ages. Last year, Matt Walsh openly said that quote,
it should be illegal for doctors to medically transition anyone
of any age. Unte And as Margaret said, it seems

(22:28):
like we were moving in a more escalating direction. But
that just so happened to corresponds as the month of
February continued. So here's a clip from Daily Wire host
Michael Knowles from the late February twenty twenty three. In
order for women to have the right to have their
own bathrooms, you have to ban transgenderism entirely. You can't

(22:50):
just ban it for the kids. It's got to be
entirely in order for women to be able to have
their own locker rooms at the gym, you have to
ban transgenderism entirely. In order to protect businesses from having
to participate in weird occult sexual rituals like the transgender transition,
you have to ban transgenderism entirely. So that is just

(23:13):
like straight up advocating for genocide, right, Like, yeah, there
there is no difference between this this term that the
Daily Wire people use transgenderism and and currently existing transgender people.
That that isn't you It's like saying we have to
eradicate judaism, Like what is what is it? What do
you mean by that? You obviously mean exterminating human beings

(23:36):
and making it impossible for them to continue on? Like
that is that? That is what genocide is? Yeah, and
you can hear me like literally the next thing he
says is like you know, he's talking about like like
transition angas in the cult ritual or whatever the fuck
it is, Like well, yeah, no, Like like he's he's
explicitly saying like what what Yeah, what does banning transgenderism means,
does it never like confuse you all when you just

(23:58):
have these moments where you're like, these people believe in
sky Daddy. Like I'm not even anti religious, I'm not
even an atheist. I don't know exactly what I am.
But like when you hear people just being like God
has willed me to do this murder or whatever, that
this is what this person is saying. I'm just like
they think of themselves as like holy warriors who have

(24:19):
been chosen by God to eradicate this demonic plague that
is infecting like humankind. Yeah, it would be like if
all of a sudden they were like, and that's why
Gandolf has told me that I must go on a quest.
Like I'm just like, am I living in the same
century as these people? Like, again, not an atheist, but

(24:41):
I'm just like you've decided that sky Daddy has told
you to march off to murder, Like, yeah, that doesn't
even map to a fucking basic understanding even of religious anyway. Sorry, No, absolutely,
And I mean this unfortunately continues to get worse. Yea.

(25:02):
The very next day, Michael Knowles defended his elimination as rhetoric.
In another unhinged rant about the probably about two million
trans people in the United States, saying that quote, there
can't be a genocide of trans people because it's quote,
not a legitimate category of being. They said that I
was calling for the extermination of transgender people. They said

(25:26):
I was calling for a genocide against I said, I
must have missed that part of my show. When did
I did? I say that? I don't one. I don't
know how you could have a genocide of transgender people
because genocide refers to genes, It refers to genetics, it
refers to biology. And the whole point of those genderism

(25:49):
is that it has nothing to do with biology. That's
what the transgender activists say. They say, forget about biological sex.
My gender expression doesn't have to have anything to do
with my biological sex. Okay, well, then there can't be
a genocide that refers to genetics. But furthermore, nobody's calling
to exterminate anybody, because the other problem with that statement

(26:11):
is that transgender people is not a real ontological category.
It's not a legitimate category of being. There are people
who think that they're the wrong sex, but they're mistaken,
they're they're laboring under a delusion, and so we need
to correct that delusion. Okay, so that was that was

(26:32):
a lot. I'm just clinging to my emotional support sword, Like,
what what solution, pretel, will you be employing to correct
that so called delusion? Maybe just like one one once,
like a like one one of the last one, Yeah,
fidal one, not a penultimate solution, that's not his his thing.
No one step further, the very the very last one.

(26:56):
I can't think of a of a of a of
another word for for for very last. But yeah, I
also like, have these motherfuckers karatyped themselves? No one has
almost no one has been goddamn like the percentage of
people who've seen what their genes are like, I don't
know whatever, sense it's nonsense. Yeah, that the science does

(27:17):
not hold up to the like thing you learn in
fourth grade that the you know, I don't know when
they teach you x x and x y or whatever.
But it's like, but like, that's not science, that's not
the current scientific understanding. And I think it's never really
been the scientific understanding. That part I'm not as certain about.
Um No, I mean like it's and by saying I'm
not calling for genocide because the group I'm targeting aren't

(27:38):
even a real group of people. They're not even literally
it's literally the talking point of every single jenicidal fascist
ever it existence. So like like literally this is I
can I cannot find the person who was writing about this.
I apologize immensely. But when when when this clip was
first circulating, there was a really interesting article of BA
that was circulating about how like not a legitimate category.

(28:00):
Gry is what like the word that gets translated as degenerate,
like that the Nazis used like actually means like like
that's like non legitimate kind of like that very specifically
is what the Nazis used as like you know, as
as they're saying, for we need to kill the Jews,
right like that. That's that's that's very very specifically what
they were doing. No, And and like genocide does not

(28:23):
refer to genetics, it it doesn't. And and you know,
you know, you can you can look at like because
like these people are like just unfathomably fucking stupid, right
Like they they they look at genocide, right and they
see the word gen and they go, this means no.
But you know, and I think I think something that
is worth mentioning is that So Raphael Lemkin is the

(28:47):
guy who coins the term genocide, right, Um, the Lemkin Institute,
which is the the like the lempicin SciTE, which is
the institute from this guy that that does genois, like
does anti genocide prevention works specifically in the West. Was
like there was now a risk of genocide against trans people.
So you know, the institute of the actual guy who
made the term genocide versus a guy who thinks that

(29:09):
jen means gene. It's like, it's just no, It's it's
very obvious that that saying that transgender people are not
a real ontological category is like he's doing He's literally
is how you do the Nazis did. That is how
you do Nazi stuff. Like I'm under the impression of
the whole thing with ontology is accepting that there's like

(29:31):
multiple ontologies, Like it's clearly not an ontological concept in
his ontological like his way of viewing the world. That's
one of my problems, you know, I just like I
don't think he would pass a basic philosophy of course
in college, you know, Okay, I will say this my my, my,
my argument against against, specifically against there being multiple legitimate ontologies.
Is this is this these people's fucking ontology who like

(29:53):
believe that like these people, all these fucking freaks literally
believe individually right that there is no scientific explanation for
lightning and that like every act of lightning is an
individual act of God, that is not a legitimate ontology.
Like fuck that shit. No, I I refuse. I refuse
to do fucking to have to have there be fucking

(30:14):
multiple valid ontological positions. I refuse for there to be
valid worlds like no, there's something are just wrong and
you have to be able to say that shit otherwise
you get this fucking bullshit reality tunnels do do be
funny like that? He He later added quote transgenderism ultimately

(30:35):
is a lie, It's a deception. It is a fraud.
Fraud is not protected by the First Amendment. Fraud is
not a category protected by the principles of a free speech.
You have no right to fraud. But you know, here's
the thing, I will I will agree with him. You
have no right to fraud. Fraud is not protected by
free speech. I really like have have have a real

(30:57):
fun time when we fucking come for you. On those principles.
It's a little like tights show disappears a few days
of A few days later, Noles once again invoked grooma
rhetoric and openly called drag Queen's pedophiles and explicitly called
on quote the heavy hand of the state to shut
down to drag shows and arrest performers and parents. Why

(31:20):
is he dressed like um, mister Rogers in a Black
Mirror episode. He's just mirror universe, mister Rogers. He's like
just telling you to hate your neighbor. You know. I
don't know how you can watch this and not conclude
that the performers are pedophiles. I don't use that word lightly.

(31:42):
I know a lot of people on the right use
that word. They fling it around, and they use it
in precisely. I don't see how you can dance around
in a thong or in a leather harness in front
of babies and toddlers if you are not a pedophile.
So I'm I would be if not the farm, I'd
bet a lot of my money that that's the case,
and that's being normalized. I don't see how these parents

(32:03):
should be permitted to keep their children they're abusing your children,
are sexually abusing your children by taking them to these events.
I don't see how whatever company is hosting this should
be allowed to keep its doors open. All of this
should be shut down by the heavy hand of the state.
All of these people other than the children should be arrested,
and some of them should face pretty severe consequences. Not

(32:25):
great stuff. He did hedge his bets. He was like,
you know, I'm actually not sure about this. That was
my favorite part. I think it is. It is interesting
that the whole heavy hand of the state line is
is an interesting, little little unique gem in their style
of rhetoric whenever they explicitly call on the powers of

(32:45):
the government to do fascism. I think a lot of
this type of rhetoric was leading up to Seapack in
what should happened in early March. During Seapack, anti trans
rhetoric was a very central theme across There are many speakers.
That's like the big right wing gathering where all the
far right people get together and talk to an empty room. Well,

(33:06):
SEPAK is the Conservative Political Action Conference. It is far
right by the world's over to the window, but it's
like a mainstream right wing convention in the United States
cool So. The conference featured in a rave speakers, including
prominent Republican politicians and policymakers, as well as people like
Michael Knowles who are just like right wing pundits. The

(33:28):
many many speeches had attacks against gender affirming healthcare, trans
inclusive sports, and bathroom policies, as well as the you know,
the typical groomer and pedophelia stuff that we saw get
super popular last year, as well as framing this word
transgenderism as a radical ideology. Now, words like transgenderism and

(33:50):
gender ideology are not actually terms that trans people use.
These were terms invented by anti transactivists. I want to
be very certific about this because this is the thing
I don't think people understand. The term gender ideology was
specifically invented by the Catholic Church, like as as as
a thing to oppose this and also a sort of
a way to oppose like gay marriage and like queerness

(34:12):
in general. And they're all of the fucking all of
the like shitty like one one of the one of
those sort of like quote unquote like dark secrets in
the fucking closet of all of the black people who
claim to be like radical feminists who are anti trance is.
All of these people specifically worked with the back back
when this up was first being developed in like the
late nineties and early two thousands. All of these people

(34:32):
worked with the Catholic Church specifically to make sure that
I like that that that more sort of liked more
gender inclusive like terminology and stuff like not on terminology,
like more gender and preclusive programs and definitions of like
of what gender is wouldn't be implemented at the un.
So this this sort of like rad fem conservative Catholic

(34:52):
alliance is very old, and most of the people who
are in it will deny that that's what they were doing,
but it is like, this is the this Catholic Church shit.
The Pope literally had a rant about how gender ideology
was colonialism, like like a week ago, and and and
the Pope does the same demonic rhetoric as these people.

(35:13):
And I mean, yeah, so I believe this terms him.
It makes sense from him. That's his that's his thing,
that's his literal job. Yeah, which immediately also it's like, sir,
you are the pope, like shut the fuck up about colonization, man,
Like yeah, like you know from Latin America. That doesn't
excuse you, like the church, the Catholic Church famously never never,

(35:37):
never done colonization. Um. But yeah, these words were invented
by anti transactivists to the humanized transgender people and frame
being trans as itself this dangerous ideology or a mental
illness in a need of curing um. CEPAC speakers consistently
invoked like grooming and pedophilia stuff in their In their

(35:57):
long anti LGBTQ hate rantum, Lauren Bobert claimed that educators
attempting to groom children, echoing the libs of TikTok stuff
that got popular in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two,
Tulsa Gabbard was at Seapack. She basically claimed that LGBTQ
plus people were trying to gain acceptance for pedophiles by
labeling them as minor attracted persons and allowing them to

(36:19):
teach in schools. This is another conspiracy theory that Libs
of TikTok has boosted for a long time. By the way,
I want to hold a fucking greed share, which is
that there were a lot of people who like claimed
to be leftist. Two in like twenty eighteen, twenty, nineteen, two,
and twenty were like telling all of us that Tulsa
Gabbard was a leftist. It was like the only antick
very clearly a fascist. Falk like she she, she like, no,

(36:42):
fuck off, you were wrong. Please admit you were wrong.
Please be more careful about who you're going to fucking
back so you don't end up backing this fucking like
weird peto jacketing dipshit. But you know who you should back.
Oh God, is it not yet? Not yet? Almost almost

(37:02):
not almost almost time? Sorry, I have abbot planned. Matt
Gates spoke about an instant in Virginia which the right
wing media sphere has spread disinformation about to falsely frame
it as an instance of a trans student abusing inclusive
bathroom policies to attack young girls. Just spreading all kinds
of misinformation and disinformation from these right wing hate websites,
that that is why they exist, is to prop by

(37:25):
gate disinformation. Marjor Taylor Green targeted gender affirming healthcare, praising
her current reintroduction of the twenty twenty two Protect Children's
Innocence Act in the House, a bill which would make
it a felony to provide a gender affirming care to miners.
Green spread the lies and disinformation made popular by Matt
Walsh that gender affirming healthcare is designed to quote mutilate
your kids and quote chemically castrate them. Stuff that we've

(37:48):
debunked on the show before and many others have debunked.
Trump gave a pretty pretty bad transphobic speech to close
out the conference. On the one side, he said that
he would keep men out of women's sports, but then
closed out Seepack by saying, quote, he would revoke every

(38:10):
Biden policy promoting the sexual mutilation and chemical castration of
our youth, and I will ask Congress to send me
a bill prohibiting child sexual mutilation in all fifty states unquote.
I don't want to include Trump's stuff here because I
find his voice to be slightly annoying. Anyway, moving off,

(38:31):
Donald Trump more annoying than Michael Knowles. Shocking so hard,
challenge level, almost impossible speak. Speaking of Michael Knowles, he
gave a speech at Seapack where he advocated that transgenderism
must be eradicated. To thunderous applause. Now I'm going to
play this whole clip here, Bear with me. There can

(38:52):
be no middle way in dealing with transgenderism. It is
all or nothing. If transgenderism is if men really can
become women, then it's true for everybody of all ages.
If transgenderism is false, as it is, if men really
can't become women, as they cannot, then it's false for

(39:13):
everybody too. And if it's false, then we should not
indulge in, especially since that indulgence requires taking away the
rights and customs of so many people. If it is false,
then for the good of society, and especially for the
good of the poor people who have fallen prey to
this confusion, transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely,

(39:40):
the whole preposterous ideology at every level. Pretty bad stuff.
Not great to hear a room full of people applied
someone who's very clearly talking about the eradication of an
entire group of people. And I want to specifically point
out the from public life thing, because that was something

(40:01):
that you know, like back when the first bathroom bills
were happening in twenty sixteen, right, you know, like people
like trans people who were following this stuff. You know,
the thing everyone said was they're trying to they're trying
to erase trans people from public life, right, because that's
that's what happens when you can't use a restroom in public, Right,
It's like it limits your ability to just exist in

(40:24):
the public sphere. And we've gotten to a point now
where they can just fucking say what we you know,
what we all knew they wanted from the beginning, And
that's terrifying. I remember when I hit them the kind
of uncanny valley space, like when I hit the space
where I freaked people out no matter what bathroom I used,
you know, it's like a very conscious thing where I

(40:46):
remember it because I pick which bathroom to use based
on safety, right, and and like depending on my presentation.
It's it's wildly different depending on what kind of space
I'm in, it's wildly different. I don't know, I just
I just re member really consciously. The first time, I
like just I picked the men's room and then got
like double takes about why was I in there, And
it's just like, oh, I like can't do anything anymore. Yeah,

(41:10):
like no, absolutely. After Noel's speech at SPACK arguing for
the eradication of transgenderism, quote unquote, Daily Wire hosts, including
Matt Walsh, defended him by saying, quote, we are in
a war against the most deranged ideology ever invented by
the human race. We are fighting to eradicate the ideological
equivalent of a parasitic infection. But is a term like

(41:33):
eradicate over the top. Does it have a needlessly militant tone? No,
definitely not. The tone may be militant, but not needlessly so.
We are, after all, in a war and lives are
at stake. We are in a war against the most
deranged ideology ever invented by the human race. Plane and sample.

(41:55):
We are fighting to eradicate the ideological equivalent of a
parasitic infestation. And the parasite gender ideology seeks to not
only brainwash a generation of children, not only degrade and
appropriate womanhood, but also and manhood by the way, but also,
and most fundamentally, it seeks to eat away at truth itself.

(42:17):
This is coming from somebody who glibly refers to himself
as a theocratic fascist, And in cases like this, when
they tell you who they are, you should fucking believe them.
Like the first bit of that clip is like pretty bad,
very very clearly fascistic like it's it's checking all of
the boxes. But then I'm going to continue on to

(42:39):
the second part of this clip, and it is incredibly chilling.
Can we point out about how his poor choice and
plaid is also degrading into masculinity. Really, he is the
greatest threat to masculine right now because of his plaid choice.
Eradication of gender ideology. Total defeat is the only option
because there's no compromise with it, there's no living side

(43:00):
by side with it, there's no finding common ground. The
gender ideologue wants to destroy your culture and your children.
You will either rise up against it or lose everything
to it. We're so fucked, it's so Nazzi, Like, yeah, quote,
total defeat is the only option. The gender ideologue wants

(43:20):
to destroy your culture and your children. Like that is
less than the stones throw away from We must have
secure the existence of our people in the future for
white children. It's right there. It's like, it's so it's
so clear. I think there's like a tiny grain of
truth in it, which is that like they are very
very very close to like permanently losing the battle over

(43:41):
where the trans people could exist, and that's why they're
doing this right, because like the only like like like
so support for trans people getting healthcare is like sixty
is at like sixty percent, right, the only thing they
have left is just straight up genocide because if they
don't fucking kill us all now, right, and they don't
right now act to make it impossible for future trans

(44:03):
people to be trans, right, they are going to lose.
And I will talk about this towards the end of
the episode. This is kind of part of my thesis
on this, and this is something that Michael Knowles himself
actually admits. In one of Michael Knowles's first shows after Sepack,
he suggests that eradicating transgenderism would be a simple matter
of returning to the state of Affairs in twenty fifteen

(44:26):
to eradicate transgenderism from public life. And it's a good question.
I'm glad people are talking about that. That was the
point of my speech. What would it mean to eradicate
the preposterous ideology of transgenderism from public life at every level?
Put simply, eradicating transgenderism from public life would mean behaving

(44:50):
as American society did before, say twenty fifteen. Before round
twenty fifteen, we did not have any acceptance of transgenderism
in public life. Also, in just like a grim moment
of sourality, in the middle of that clip, Knowles does

(45:13):
an adder read for a company called Rabbit Air, which
is an air purifier company who has an office in Pasadena, California.
She's fucking oh ba. Knowles goes on to blame Obama
for leading this wave of trans acceptance in public life. Now,
this whole twenty fifteen thing is very funny to me

(45:33):
because in a lot of ways, it was actually kind
of easier to be trans in twenty fifteen that it
is right now. But I think that this is mostly
that like for conservatives, it's mostly that young trans people
are simply more visible now, mostly due to things like TikTok.
Like there's just there's a more visible presence of trans

(45:54):
joy and trans people living, and that is angering conservatives.
So they think it's just like some new recent thing.
And because Michael Knowles did an ad break for Rabbit Air,
who again has an office and Pacady, Ina, California, I too,
am going to do an ad break for our fine sponsors.

(46:21):
All right, and we're back. We are we are almost done.
I only have like one or two more clips to
show I like the ad for Rabbit Air that just
played Chuck Off. So in Michael knowles case, I think
he isn't even primarily against just like trans equality, he
is against modernity. Now, when I say modernity, I'm not

(46:45):
referring to like industrial civilization. It's many consequences for humans
and the planet at large. Right wing anti modernism is
very different than like anarchist ANTISTI of ideas. This idea
of modernism isn't really tied to industrial developments. It's more
linked to a psycho spiritual antagonism against modern social progress.

(47:06):
It's more akin to the esoteric super fascist Julius Vola's
idea of like revolt against the modern world and how
liberalism is like a plague against moral society and causing
maths degeneracy. Michael knowles own Twitter bio reads quote, I
am completely opposed to the error of the modernists. Again,

(47:27):
when these people tell tell you who they are, you
have to believe them. Um. Just this week, during a
speech at the University of Buffalo, Knowles laid out a
plan to attack quote the illogic of so called gay marriage,
the rights to fornication, and the feminists who loosened divorce laws. Yeah,
I think it's I think it's worth pointing out here, right.

(47:49):
I think I think the actual reason why twenty fifteen
is the year that he picked out of his head
is at twenty fifteen is the year that game that
game marriage was legalized by the Supreme Court. Sure like
that that like ninety nine percent chats that he means
like twenty fifteen before gay marriage is the thing that
he wants to go back to. But here's here's here's
a clip of him talking about how conservatives have continued

(48:11):
to lose the battleground at a whole bunch of topics
and how he's going to try to win them back. Now,
even many conservatives accept so called gay marriage, and they
have to. They have to accept gay marriage if they
accept the illogic of the Sexual Revolution, which held that
all sexual relations are fine and dandy so long as

(48:33):
they're consensual. After the Sexual Revolution, the only test for
sexual ethics became if it feels good, do it. For
most of American history to nobody believes that too. For
most of American history, there were all sorts of laws
against certain sexual behaviors. There were famously laws against sodomy,
but there were lots of other laws as well, laws

(48:55):
against fornication, laws against adultery, laws against plenty of other
destructive sexual behaviors. Those laws around the books as recently
as two thousand and three, when liberals on the Supreme
Court discovered in the Constitution some sort of right to
all of those things. He wants all these things to
become illegal. Again, that that is his political project. And

(49:19):
to quote airy drenand quote none of this is a
theoretical exercise. After banning drag or gender I firm and
care for minors, the Tennessee House yesterday passed a bill
that would allow local officials to refuse same sex, interfaith,
or interracial marriages unquote. Now, last year we titled some
of our episodes that cover this wave of anti trans

(49:39):
attacks quote like the War on Transpeople unquote, and even
like considering the origin of this podcast, I am often
hesitant to entertain fantasies of actual civil conflict in the
United States, But in this case, like they are the
ones who are killing us and trying to make our
very existence illegal, it is them who has initiated this

(50:01):
type of militant language. The last clip I have here
is of Matt Walsh talking about just that we aren't
even remotely done. Okay, this is honestly only the beginning.
We've got a lot more in store for you. I
promised you a year ago that we were going to
war here, and I kept that promise. I'll keep this

(50:21):
one too. There's much more to be done, that needs
to be done, and we aim to do it. So
the battle continues. Whether you like it or not. The
battle continues. So a few days ago, the Governor of
Mississippi brought Matt Walsh to speak during an official press

(50:42):
conference about the signing of House Bill one one two
five banning gender affirming healthcare for minors. The presence of
Matt Walsh at a State of Mississippi official press conference
is a clear example of fascism being inserted into the
governmental process. And speaking of bills, I'm going to hand
this over to Mia to now talk about some of

(51:02):
the legislative stuff. Yay, yeah, wow, So this is gonna
be a long one, I'm sorry, folks. Yeah. Unfortunately, the
list of ways in which they are trying to kill
us as long. So, yeah, this is this is the
inevitable result of that. In one of the very early clips, right,
I think, how I can't remember which one it was,

(51:25):
one of the maybe it was Kennis Owen has talked
about like our publicist at Media Matters, right, Yeah, And
I think, you know, I think there is in a
lot of cases. I think there's a lot of merit
and not like covering this ship when it's specifically people
like like very specific, Like you know Alex Jones does this, right, Well,
he'll say something like specifically incredibly inflammatory is a way
to start to get media attention to him. Yeah, But

(51:48):
in this case, we can't fucking do that because all
of the policy proposals that these people want are getting
actually fucking implemented. So here here's from the Human Rights
Campaign about how bad things have gotten. Less than two
months into twenty twenty three, Human Rights Campaign is already
tracking three hundred and forty anti LGBTQ bills that have
been introduced in state houses across the country. I think

(52:11):
four hundred. Oh yeah, it's this, Yeah, I was gonna
get this. So those numbers are from early Those numbers
are from early February, right or mid February. Now, yeah,
it's something like over four hundred. It's really hard to
get actual totals because there are so fucking many of them.
One hundred and fifty of those would specifically restrict the
rights of transgender people, the highest number of bills targeting
transgender people in a single year to date. They also note,

(52:33):
as everyone else does, every single successive year breaks the
record for the most number of bills targeting trans people. Yeah,
those numbers are already out of date, and okay, so
on the one hands, right there, there are there are
real problems with projects that just track the raw number
of bills, and you know, okay, on the one hands,

(52:56):
the world like the raw numbers are I think a
good way of actually getting people to sort of understand
like the level of threat that is happening, like just
sort of just sort of the raw magnitude of the threats.
On the other hand, okay, it's kind of misleading in
the sense that almost all these bills are going to
fail because most of these most most and this is

(53:18):
the incredible important thing here, most but not all, most
of these bills are made by just random state lawmakers
and no political backing. And this allows organizations, you know,
sort of like like a lot of the nonprofit groups
who work in these sort of legislative spaces to like
claim credit for defeating like ninety percent of the bills,
and it's like, well, no, like most of those, like

(53:38):
almost none of them we're ever going to pass in
the first place. And the second thing that it does
is it puts this sort of cloud out, which makes
it really really difficult, you know, if you're just being
if you're if you're trying to follow right, the sort
of legislative process here, it gets very very hard because
it's it's very difficult to sort out which bills have
any chance of passing in which ones are just some

(54:00):
random dipshit like first term like I don't know someone
some like first term lawmaker from like a part of
Mississippi that is two lawmakers right, like. But so my, my,
my solution to this is we're going to run through
the bills had ever already been passed. Um, I guess
we should just started in Mississippi because we've sort of

(54:21):
already talked about Yeah, Governor Tate Reeves inviting that wallshy
have a speech at the bill signing ceremony. So in
Mississippi a law was passed called the reap Act, which
you know, that's. That's great. It's a that's that tells
you exactly what they fucking I mean by this. Uh,

(54:41):
this is a bill that bans and this this is
a very very common pattern for bills. Um. It bans
miners from getting hormones, from getting any kind of gender
affirming surgery, and blocks anyone from getting puberty blockers. Um.
We've said this before, We'll say it again. All of
this stuff is good. Kids should be able to get
these things. Kids should be able to g these things easier.
They they just unfathomably improve the lives of the child

(55:05):
you get them. All of the data supports this notion.
This has been normalized for literally decades. Yeah, and I
mean puberty blockers in particular is one of the things
that's become the focus of like, oh, it's not safe.
It's like puberty blockers were the compromise position, right, And
this is something that I think has been lost in
a lot of debate about this, because you know, we've
gotten to the point where everything is being banned, but

(55:26):
puberty blockers. You know, we're a compromise position because you
could give people puberty blockers without like actually giving trans
kids to hormones. That they need, and even that, you know,
we're at a point where stays there's just full on
banning kids from getting them. This sucks, it's awful. It
is killing trans kids. Um. Mississippi also has a ban

(55:50):
one of the other things about this specific one and
not all the states are doing it do this, but
this specific bill also bans state money from going to
any institution that practices like does like gender form for miners.
They also have an anti sports law, so you can,
you know, you can see the sort of like how
how the dominoes went down in terms of like, sorry,

(56:13):
you can see how the dominoes fell down in terms
of where it started and where it was going right
for at first you get your anti bathroom log. Then
you you get your sort of like keep trans people
out of sports, and then and then you get healthcare laws. Yea, yeah, yeah,
So I Will also has a band that's you know,
but basically identical identical band on hormone gender firming surgery,

(56:35):
and puberty blockers. They also passed a bill that bands
trans kids from using bathrooms and locker rooms according to
their gender and elementary, middle and high schools. And I
want to talk a little bit about this, because this
is going to lead to kids getting fucking raped, because
it turns out if you force a trans girl into
a men's locker room, things are going to go real
fucking bad for them. They don't give a shit about this, right,

(56:57):
They simply do not care. Um, but that's you know
that that that's that that that's the actual substantive results. Um.
I will also pass. I've seen it variously refers to
as like I don't say trans or like I don't
say LGBTQ plus bill. This is a bill that prohibits
teachers who teach either from kindergarteners through sixth grade from

(57:19):
teaching about trans niss like at all. You can't teach
about gender. You can't teach about like sex. You can't
teach about you know, you can't teach about the fact
that you can, in fact change your gender and it's
good and cool. Um. The Human Rights Campaign says quote.
This bill would also prohibit schools from providing gender reforming
accommodations for transgender students without parental consents, and would require

(57:43):
school staff to out transgender students. UM. So I read
this bill and it's not clear to me how it
requires that but that's what the lawyers are saying, and
I'm not a lawyer, so it may or may not
require that. This is another thing, very specifically, This isn't
everything that that that that's been happening in the sort
of news where waves of these laws are laws that
specifically require school counselors, teachers, and school staff to out

(58:07):
their kids, like to out kids to their parents, which
is unbelievably dangerous. In the last few years alone, there
have been a bunch of trans people who are just
killed by their parents. And you know, forcibly adding people
is like you you're you're exposing them to the risk
of abuse, You're exposing them to the risk of unsafe
housing environments. No, it's just a little soft whack by

(58:27):
your grandma, I remember, just a little a little tap
on the head. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna fucking beat
you to death. So these bills in Iowa have been
passed by the House in the Senate and they're just
like they're just like sitting on a desk waiting for
the government to sign them, and the governor's going to
So yeah, that's that situation in Iowa. In Arkansas, you

(58:48):
have the hormone pubuty blocker, gender firming surgery ban. The
Arkansas one is on hold because you know, and this
is a this is true for a couple of these,
is that people have done legal challenges on it, and yeah,
our Arkansas particulars had a huge legal fight. We still
don't know how that's I mean, the legal fights are
going on for like a year. We still haven't gotten

(59:08):
ruling on it yet. They also have a ban on
transcids competing in sports. Alabama made it a Class C
felony punishable by oh to a decade in prison. To
give trensch Endry kids hormones, puberty blockers, gender affirming surgery.
This was also interesting because it's the only bill so
most of these ones when they do when they say minors, right,
it's until you're eighteen. You can't get it for whatever reason. Alabama,

(59:31):
it also bans eighteen year olds from getting any of
these things. You just have to be nineteen. Yeah, part
part of the bill, you know about hormone blockers, So okay,
So specifically, the part of the parts of this bill
that are about hormones and hormone blockers are on hold
pending sort of resolution to legal challenges. But the judge
was like, fuck it, you can do with the surgery band,

(59:52):
So that sucks. Alabama also has bills that you know,
have the whole trans kids in school can't use the
right bathroom and you know, teachers, counselors and other school
officials have to out them. They also have another dose
trans bill that does a very similar thing about bands
teachers from talking about transits until fifth grade. I think

(01:00:14):
a lot of these bills are written by like lobbying
groups who just be and paced the same thing. And
so I see a whole bunch of different states. I
will say there are weird differences in them, like so
you'll see like different completely scattered shot like definitions of
what hormones are, or like like some somebody's bills trying
to find what a woman is. And it's very funny

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because they have to like do all this weird stuff
about like like clusters of like chromosomes, but also there's
like chromosomal diseases, Like you can't do this, like a
fuck off. It's it's so funny. We should also mention that,
like there will be more reporting on this later, this bill.
This episodes are ready too long, but there have been
a bunch of emails released from a bunch of anti

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trans sort of organizer and fake scientists and stuff about
how they've been coordinating all of this, and a lot
of the experts that they use for testimony for all
off they show up to these capitals are like, are
exactly the same people, And the big guy they have
saying that puberty blockers is unsafe like has never worked
with a transperson in their life and has no fucking

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idea what they're talking about. So you know, this is
this is this is this is fun. Utah also bands
also passed a band banning gender affirming surgeries, puberty blockers,
and hormones. They also have a band I also have
a bill forcing students and counselors to out their students
to their families. Last year, Utah Governor Spencer Cox was

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praised by the media for a symbolic veto of a
bill that made it illegal for trans students to compete
in sports. Cox signed this fucking bill. Signed, signed, the
one signed, the one that bands of gender affirming surgeries,
pubty blockers, and hormones. Yeah, I think we're talked about
this last year. Yeah, I want to we had we

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talked about some Utah thing last Yeah, well we talked. Yeah,
the thing we talked about him vetoing that bill. Um,
I want to read his thing for why why he packed?
Why so he vetoed the bill that was less bad
and signed the one that's worse. And I'm going to
read what he said about this quote. While we understand

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our words will be of little comfort to those who
disagree with us, we sincerely hope that we can treat
our transgender families with more love and respect as we
work to better understand the science and consequences behind these procedures.
Fuck off, Fuck all the way off. He's trying to
avoid the Nuremberg trials. Look as a neutrals. As a

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neutral objective journalist, I'm obligated to inform me that Spencer
Cox was a full time missionary from the Mormon Church,
which is currently embroiled in a pedophilias gandal after is
revealed to have systematically protected church members and members of
the clergy who sexually abused children from church sanctions and
legal repercussions. Under Utah law, clergy have the right of
penitent privilege, which means they are not required to report

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child abuse to the authorities as long as the information
is revealedgere confession. Both the Mormon and Catholic churches, along
with Jehovah's witnesses, have lobbied against all efforts have changed
this law. Earlier this month, survivors at the Mormon Church
rallied in support of a bill that would have endependent privilege.
Governor Cox publicly announced his support for the bill being
considered and in legislature, but did nothing to pressure legislators

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to vote for and as of time of recording, the
bill is dead, leaving the church free to protect yet
another round of pedophiles. Also, his name is Cox. Yeah,
so South Dakota also did. I could do this for
every fucking governor on this list, and I decided I
was going to do it once and not do it
for all the rest of them, but fuck him. South

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Dakota has a sports bill. They also have a ban
on puberty blockers, hormones, degenerate framing surgery. Arizona has a
NATI bathroom bill. Tennessee has a sports ban. It has
the basically identical ban on puberty blockers, hormones, and gender
affirming surgery, and it also has this. It also has
what's been kind of a new innovation. I guess which

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is the anti they have an anti drag law. Yes,
this is the one that's gotten the most amount attraction,
and it sparked some debate over how much of it
can actually be applied against just trans people living their
lives because it is tied to the state's pre existing
obscenity laws. So there's been some debate about this. We will,
we will. We will learn more about this as it

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starts being enforced by law enforcement and the court system. Yeah,
I want to talk about it. It's not good. Like, yeah,
I want to talk about it a little bit more
so the specific bill, it makes it illegal for anyone
to be underage and a drag show. And you know,
it basically applies like the rules around the sex offender
list for where you can have drag shows. So Governor

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William Brian Lee, who signed this bill, did drag in
high school, which I'm saying. No, I'm saying here not
to out the hypocrisy, like Governor Lee doesn't see anything
any hypocrisy here, but to get across the fact the
Republicans who want to do this stuff will still be
able to This bill will targeted a very very specific
group of people. As Jules gil Peterson points out in
your piece to left hand of the law, which people
should go read, this is an attack on a very specific,

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precarious class of workers, many of whom are trans, some
of whom aren't, who do drag performances. This is this
is it's it's it's a very specific attempt to sort
of like neutralize, Okay, it's targeting this very specific middle
ground between sort of like being in the formal economy
and doing sex work. There are an enormous amount of

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trans people who do sex work. Drag shows provide a
way to sort of like not exactly enter the middle class,
but it provides a legal way for trans people to
like have a job that's not fucking that. And those
and those workers are specifically the people being targeted by this.

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I don't know. The other thing that's unclear is, for example,
like if a podcast does a live show where there's
trans people, like, what will happen? We don't know. But
the other thing I want to say about this, right
is everyone's talking about this fucking drag bill. I have
seen like basically zero discussion of the of the fact
that they also past the same fucking band on puberty blockers,

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hormones and gender affirming surgery, which is way way more
destructive and damaging. It's like but directly attacking. Yeah, so
I think I want to push back about the like, yeah,
like what you're talking about about, like what will happen
if you do a live show? Like what will happen?
Because to trans people who live in these states, the
state I live in as a red state, well it's

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not supposed to be, but as a red state, and
you know, is considering a drag bill and things like that.
And I recognize that they're like aimed, they're targeted specifically
at drag performances, but there's a fairly easy interpretation of
a lot of these things that literally says I can
go to the grocery store. And that is how like
a lot of transpeople in Tennessee are viewing this right now.

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And so I don't think it's it's a disproportionate thing
that the drag bill is something that a lot of
people are focusing on. I mean, we all care also
about the hormone issues or whatever, but the Tennessee passing
the drag law that other states are considering is a
new bad thing that could criminalize our very public existence. Yeah,

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that is part of the kind of discussion around this
laws ties to the pre existing obscenity laws, and that
will heavily depend on the discretion that law enforcement chooses
to employ this law, and if it gets taken up
to the court system, how the court's going to interpret
this law. So it is like the vagueness is part

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of the point because that causes a lot of fear
because you really just don't know what it all entails.
And yeah, that's weird because you don't know if you
going to the store is going to be a felony
or not, And how are you supposed to live like that? Yeah,
and it I don't know. The sort of pervasive atmosphere

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of fear is definitely like part of the point of this, right,
Like part of the way the sort of extermination campaign
works is by forcing everyone to sort of live in
fear of what they can and can't do, and also
live in fear specifically of the police increasing the amount
of violence that they're deploying. Yeah, I mean, and all
the stuff like we talked about, they're specifically targeting people's

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ability to exist in a public life, which is whenever
you want to do a genocide, that's one of the
things you do is you make people unable to exist
in public life. This is literally what the Nazis did, right,
Like you section them off into their own little communities
where they cannot actually leave and enter into the outside world. Yep. So,
so far as of writing this, there are seven states

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with bands on gender, firm and care for Youth. I
was to become number eight whenever the governor gets around
as signing the bill. There are nineteen states that ban
trans athletes from competing. There are a number of states.
Oh so other soft forgot much. So there's like literally
while I was like, while I was like waiting to
record this episode, there were a few things that happened

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in like the legislature. So in Florida, there was a
bill that got just got out of committee that would
ban LGBTQ books like in all libraries, not just sort
of school libraries. So I don't know that that actually
has a real chance of passing because it's Florida. There's
a lot of movement right now. The situation is very

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very sort of fluid and bad. Yes, yeah, I would
say it it is. Um. I think one closing note,
I will save my kind of my ending thesis to
start the next episode, just because we're going on so
long here. But the last thing I will say is
I be wary of social media accounts that to depend
on ramping up and spreading panic to grow their follower accounts.

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Typically news news aggregation accounts are not the best source
of information because their existence is entirely dependent on causing PANICUM.
So like look into the things like beyond just a tweet,
like look into stuff before before you spread it. Um.
Just as like a general rule of thumb. I'm not
calling anybody out here in any way, I'm just saying

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it is. It is a good practice to get into,
especially when we're looking into stuff that is about our
very existence being criminalized, and that can be very depressing. Um.
And it can suck to be constantly bombarded with. So
it's good to stay connected to stuff that's going on
in your own state. It's good to stay connected to
bills that have a decent trends of passing. But but

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be wary of of of of undo panic spreading just
constantly NonStop, because a big part of being trends needs
to also be like finding joy in living. Yeah, I think.
I think. The very last thing I want to say
to lead into this next episode is We're not fucking
done yet. We are still here. We're going to continue
to be here. We are going to kick these people's

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fucking shit in and we are going to fight them
for every fucking engine they are going to lose. And
next episode is going to be us talking about how
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