June 27, 2023 • 45 mins
James and Danl talk about what to put in a first aid kit, what not to rely on, and where to get stop the bleed training. We will share IFAK details and links below and in a Twitter thread.
1. Reliable suppliers Chinook Medical (https://www.chinookmed.com/) North American Rescue (https://www.narescue.com/0 Rescue Essentials (www.rescue-essentials.com)
2. Supplies
Tourniquet: (https://www.rescue-essentials.com/combat-application-tourniquet-cat-gen-7/)
Pressure dressing ( https://www.rescue-essentials.com/olaes-modular-bandage/)
Chest Seal ( https://www.rescue-essentials.com/hyfin-vent-chest-seal-twin-pack/)
Hemostatic gauze (https://www.rescue-essentials.com/quikclot-combat-gauze-z-folded-military/)
Packed Gauze (https://www.rescue-essentials.com/nar-responder-rolled-compressed-gauze/)
Lil’ sharpie (https://www.rescue-essentials.com/sharpie-mini-marker-black/)
Emergency Blanket (https://www.rescue-essentials.com/rescue-essentials-emergency-blanket/)
Gloves (https://www.rescue-essentials.com/ten-pairs-bear-claw-tan-ni
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello, everyone, welcome to the podcast. It could happen here.
It's me James today and I am joined for a
rare example of Danel being on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yes, welcome you, Danel, and James, thank you for having me.
I'm thrilled to be here to talk with you on
the podcast that I edit every single day.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah. Yeah, Normally you just hear me, but at this
time you get like the dan It's like the Subaltan speaks,
but it's Danel. I couldn't fucking I couldn't really go
anywhere with that, so I just I just left the
two halves of the joke out there, and either of
them with a partner A very sad. Yeah. So, Danel,
we're here today to talk about first Day Kits and
(00:46):
the reason we're talking about First Ay kits is because
it is Pride Month at the time of recording. That,
of course, in the United States means that people are
worried about being murdered by homophobic psychopaths. Unfortunately, so hmm,
that is that is the world that we live in,
and it shouldn't be. It's fucked up, and it hopefully
won't be this way forever because you know, all these
(01:08):
people are wrong and will die eventually and that will
make the world better. But fingers crossed, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
we can, we can hope. I guess maybe they're raising
a new generation of Turfs or whatever. I don't think
the hopefully not, let's not. Yeah. So I just wanted
to talk because I've seen a bunch of people online,
(01:31):
like a lot of people who are in the like
lgbt q I a community, or who are going to
pride just being like oh fuck like it. Genuinely, I
can see why people are very afraid right because violence
against queer people is at least seemingly increasing. I'm not
going to give you training because this is a podcast
(01:51):
and you can't learn first aid on a podcast, and
you can't learn it on YouTube either. Really, I wanted
to talk briefly about like supplies and then places to
get training, because that is very important. I have bought
my first ay kit that I used for work. I
have quite a few that I used for work. Actually
(02:12):
I don't like to repat them. And I know that
you have bought one that Jeffrey Bezos kindly sent you. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, at the at the height of the you know,
the George Floyd protests, et cetera. I was out there
in the streets and kind of after observing what was
happening in Portland, and after you know, listening into and
editing it could happen to year episodes and you know
what what Gear and Robert were covering. It felt, if
(02:38):
not necessary, but very prudent to invest in something like
this so that should there be a need to help
people in the streets, I was there unable to do so.
And whether or not this was a good first aid kit,
I think we're going to find out today.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, that's the aim of the game. I should point
out that, like my medical training is pretty basic, right,
I'm not that kind of doctor, but I do have
a wilderness first responder and a wilderness first aid and
to stop the bleed training, and I've done CPR training,
and I've done hostile environment first aid training, so a
bunch of stuff which is focused around very very very
(03:13):
basic first aid. Right. In all of those cases, it's
like make sure the person doesn't die immediately, and then
get them to someone who is better trained than you
so that they can help them more immen, which is
like listen, if you are learning about medical stuff, on
the podcast hosted by a guy who has a PhD
in mode European history. Then that that is what you
are doing too, write like yes, and we're going to
(03:35):
talk about that because you can for sure fock someone
up if you if you go sort of outside of
your scope of knowledge. And that is I understand the
desire to help. That we have to help in the
way that's most helpful, I guess, not do any harm.
So yeah, let's go over. Let's let's go over I
guess my first aid kit, and then we can we
can open yours and see what's the same and what's different. Right,
(03:57):
So this is one because it's small and it fits
in the small of my back, and if I really
need to, I could just like wear a kind of
baggy shirt and it wouldn't be too obvious. I also
have one that fits around my ankle for times when
I really don't want people to know I have it,
but but I also want to have it. And then
you can wear some sick flare jeans or something and
people just think you're a trendy kind of guy. Yeah
(04:21):
they'll know. So yeah, in mind, it sort of goes on.
It's one of your back and then you can pull
it away, right, has a big old red handle. Just
put it like that and it comes away. Yeah, it's nice.
That's one thing I will say right off the bat
is like, I've seen a number of people get hurt
in a number of different situations. I've seen a number
of people render first date, including myself, sometimes successfully, sometimes
(04:42):
sadly not successfully. And if you're if you have a
big bag of shit and then you open your bag
of shit and you're just throwing stuff everywhere, Stuff's falling
on the ground, it you're that's not helpful, right, Like
the things that will kill people that are preventable for
the most part in and like trauma injuries. Right, Like
(05:04):
the stuff that we might see if we're going to
a pride, if we're attending a protest, if we fucking
work in a school in America, right is largely like
like attention umothorax and a whole sucking chest wound and
losing blood. And losing blood is I believe that the
sort of most common preventable cause of death in in
(05:27):
trauma injuries. So most of us is going to focus
around losing blood. And that's where tyber training called stop
the bleed comes in right, I believe it's stop the
Bleed dot org. You can google free stop the Bleed
classes near me. I have previously posted a link to
where you can put in your postcode, zip code and
find free stop the Bleed training near you. And again
(05:50):
that will cost you no money at all, cost you
about half a day.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Of your time.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Oh great, yeah, yeah, it's it's a great thing actually,
Like it's one of the few things that that you know,
the municipal guy meant to various things put on. Well,
if there isn't one near you, I've heard the people
hitting up fire departments and then getting them to put
one on if they can demonstrate some interest because it's
very basic. And most fire departments will have paramedics, right,
(06:13):
which is a sort of step up from an empty
So those those folks can help teach those things very well.
So what is in here for stopping the bleed? And
I'm not going to teach you how to use it,
because then what someone else does?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Someone else's job.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, so before I open it up, this is a tornicque.
Some people will pronounce that incorrectly. They will say that
those people are with that hard t kit. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
the American way. Yeah, so it's what this guy is
is is it? It's for like bleeding your limbs, arterial
(06:49):
bleeding your limbs. Right, it just goes around since it
down and I'm not telling you how to use it,
and then you tighten it up right. The things I
want to emphasize about this are one the tie of tornicae.
That is so this is called a combat application tornice.
It's made by a company called North American Rescue. There
are a few other ones that I would use. The
(07:11):
other one I have, I think is the Softy Wide
and I have some of the REVX med ratcheting tornicades
as well. They use like a boa. If people have
used ski boots or cycling shoes, they'll be familiar with
a boa call. The one to buy is the one
that you use when you do your training right, and
it's going to be a sam as another one. There's another.
(07:33):
These are all the toniques you want to buy if
you're sort of if you're confused about which one you used.
The ones that are approved by the t trouble C
It's a Committee on Tactical Casualty Care, Tactical Casualty something
like that. Those guys have tested them extensively right to
see which wants work, which wants to don't. It is
(07:54):
this is not somewhere to save money that they they
are about twenty three twenty five bucks. You find them
on sale, it's not. Yeah. I mean, if if that's
a big expense for you, then I understand, uh, and
it's it's okay not to have one if that's a
big expense or to save up and wait like, that's okay.
It's better than using an improvised tornic K. Right. So
(08:16):
there there are not very many very good studies at
least that I could find on improvised tornic K's someplaces
still teaching improvised tornic K, like I I've taken a
Woman's First Responder where they taught it. I've also seen
one not work, and I will tell you that that's
not an experience that I want to ever have again
(08:38):
in my life, and I don't think it's one i'd
like you all to share with me. So I would
suggest if you're going to be using a tornic K,
then then buying a cat is kind of the standard.
I wouldn't buy it from Jeffrey Bezos because this Amazon
dot com is a website that he owns, I believe, Yeah,
Space Cowboy Jeffrey. And so the reason why is that
(09:00):
all of these different there are knockoffs, right, there are
fakes of this. They go in different they go in
the same bin from what I'm told, and then the
person who's a picker just maybe grabs one, and sometimes
you can end up with a fake. What can happen
with a fake is the strap can break or the windless.
So the windless is the guy that tightens it can break. Ah, Okay,
(09:21):
either of those things is going to lead to the
tonic failing. Right, it's not going to apply enough pressure,
and that's going to it could do a number of things, right,
It could just fail to start the bleeding. Depending on
if you've misidentified the bleeding. You could give someone a
compartment syndrome or something. It's going to be very painful.
It's going to be very painful anyway, and you'll learn
that in your course which you're going to take. You're
not gonna not going to just listen to me on
(09:42):
the podcast, thank you. And so you do want a
real one, and so the easiest way to obtain a
real one is to buy one from a reliable source
Rescue Essentials, Chinook Medical and North American Rescuer or people
who I've worked with. I'll say that Rescue is Eventual
sent me a bunch of shit before I went on
a work trip. They it was lots of it was
(10:04):
outdated or the open box or something, and I was
able to donate that to fixes and journalists I was
working with. I thought that was very cool of them.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
They offer a stop the Bleed month discount. I think
stop the Bleed month is May, so we might be
out of that now. But those are real places where
you can buy these tonic cas and know that you're
not getting a fake one, right.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
So you'll provide links to that in the description of
the place.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
We will yeap yeah, yeah, I'll make sure that those
are there for you to click. So there are different generations,
like I think generation seven is what I have. Generation
six is also fine. You probably won't find one sold
before that. On the off chance you do, I would
just stick to a generation seven or six. And it
does have a little timestamps, so you want little sharpie
(10:47):
as well to write the time on. That's more important.
It's possible that you might put this on somebody. So
you're at a pride event and there is something terrible happening,
like a mass shooter, and you might be there for
a while. Let's say you're in tech and all your
cops are fucking cowards, and then unfortunately, if you were
able to render aid someone and then you both of
you were able to not get hurt any further, you
(11:08):
could be there for a while, and then it would
be relevant what time the tornica is applied. Normally, you know,
in the US, we would hope that you would have
medical attention pretty quickly because you know, that threat would
have been stopped and then EMS would be able to
provide help. But so that that's where the time thing
comes in, right, And so you want to have a
tiny sharpie when you have a tornic and you can
get North American Rescue actually sell little tiny, half sized
(11:29):
sharpies and I shove them in the pouch with the
tornic ue and then there they are, and then you
always have a sharpie. So we go inside there it is.
Look at that. Okay, hey the little guy, Oh that's
a cute. Yeah, isn't it gorgeous? Yeah? We love a
little guy. Here to credit card size sharpie. It's perfect. Yeah, yeah,
for those who are not dannel exactly somewhat with a
(11:50):
pinky sharpie and I'll.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Do I will do the part of contextualizing for the
for the non video audience.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Thank you, Daniel. Yeah, of course, paint a picture with
words if you will. So we're going through this now.
If if you focus on bleeding again, right, there's a
couple of different dressings that you have. So again I'm
not going to tell you what to use for wear,
but you would use like the tournique on one part
of your body. The other things you're going to use
would be a pressure dressing. So you can get a
(12:18):
ton of different pressure dressings. I like the Olays ones O.
L A E. S That it doesn't hugely matter that
those ones just have a little bit of gorse that
you can pull out so you can pack a wound
two And sometimes if you do so, if you get
like a nice training, they might let you practice packing
some wounds, so they might have like a little fake
wound that you can pack and yeah, so that you'll
(12:42):
learn a lot about like how to do that there
and so those allowed some of the other ones don't.
But honestly, like sometimes they're called Israeli bandages. They will
not like colonize Palestine if you you know, put them
in you at first gate kit. But that's what this
guy is, right, And sometimes they have a lot of
(13:03):
packaging on, so you want to take them down to
kind of the last layer of packaging. None of this
shit is sterile, right, None of this stuff is. Again,
it's not supposed to be in for a long time,
so it's okay to have that like either just bear
or in its first layer of packaging.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I want to get textualize one thing from a video perspective,
just for everybody listening. As James is showing me his
first aid kit, it looks like every item that he's
talking about other than the tournique is individually wrapped and
also strapped down. Yeah, it looks like I would say,
about seven or eight individual items within there, and they
all have their own pocket and they're all strapped down.
(13:42):
And that's something that immediately looking at mine, I basically
have you know, small plastic baggies that I will hold
up to James right now, small plastic baggies of just
like a lot of loose shits, and it's just way
too much stuff in here, I would say, of what
I see in James's bag versus mine, I think I mean,
first of all, there's stuff missing, Like there's no tournique
(14:02):
in here. There's a lot of different gauze things, and
there's but there's you know, in mind, I have like
seven hundred different bandages, and like there's aspirin in here,
and like some things that feel like they're more for
like a camping trip than they are really like handling
a first aid scenario in which you need to save
someone's life. So one piece of advice that I'm getting
(14:24):
from James as he shares this, is that you know,
what's important to carry around is the stuff that is
going to give you immediate access to the ability to
save someone's life. So think about that as you are
like packing your bag. What I have here that I
bought online, that I'm still glad that I have is
basically a collection of a bunch of different miscellaneous first
(14:44):
aid stuff rather than a very stripped down specific list
of items that I can use to save someone's life
in an emergency scenario.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yes, excellent point, and you can see them all right
when you open this guy. This guy is also like
sign it's such as I can pull it off, pop
it on the floor, open it up, have my workspace
in front of me. If there's anything I'm not confident doing,
If like when horrible things happen and people are bleeding you,
you do not in that time gain skills right at
(15:16):
that moment, speaking from like more experience than I would
like to have. If people are in a really bad
way in front of you, it's not a fun time,
and you get scared and you might panic. That's okay,
that happens to everyone. People aren't supposed to see their shit,
and if it, certainly, if it's your first time seeing,
it's not unreasonable at all to freak out and not
know what to do. You can just hold any of
(15:37):
the ship up, say hey I have a tonic uit,
Hey I have a pressure dressing, and someone who who's
at that time is able to help can take that.
You know what they're doing, they can help. So it's
totally fine just to have this shit. And if you
don't know how to use it, you know, don't go
beyond your scope of knowledge. But just you have that
shit and you can provide it someone else, that's fine.
(16:05):
So yeah, everything's in little elastic bands. I've got this
stuff which is called quick clot We've talked a lot
of the podcast recently about indigenous medical technologies. This is
an example of one. Right. So it's using I think kalin.
There's some that use kalin, some that use something that
came from crab shells. But this is this is an
indigenous medical technology that now is sort of it's a
(16:27):
bit it's been refined over time. This just contains a
thing that stops it helps blood to clots, hemostatic agent. Right,
So when you're packing a wound, you could use this first.
This this would help with blood clotting. Right. It's also
the type I have is detectable on X rays, which
helps a lot. There are some older types which are powders.
(16:49):
Those of those are probably best avoided. And you want
the gauze that is impregnated with the hemostatic agent if
you can. This stuff got really pricey recently, Like I
think the best price I've seen for this is thirty
five bucks. Oh wow, So yeah, this guy is going
to cost you the most.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Do you have an idea why that is?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I think a lot of people probably bought it in
twenty twenty. Might be part of it. Maybe it's some
kind of supply chain thing. I don't if you know
where they get the ingredients from. But they just went
up in price a lot link Like a lot of
people were sort of reaching out about, Hey, why is
this shit so expensive? Sure, I don't know, but it's
(17:28):
not like one hundred percent necessary, but it is a
very helpful thing and it can make a difference in
some cases. Right, So that's the hemostetic gause. What else
I've gotten here as a pair of trauma shares. That's
just if you need to remove someone's clothing to access
a wound, and that is kind of important. So for instance,
I was doing a training once and I prefer to
(17:50):
speak about those things. So like where a guy was
presented to us with gunshot wound, and like, if you
don't rip off his houses like this, you know, if
someone's been shot and you're there helping them. Again, like
if if you're not comfortable doing this, you haven't done
the training and don't be just ripping off strangers clothes.
That's weird in general. Yeah, yeah, there comes a yes. Yeah.
(18:16):
So like and they had this cool kind of thing
around his leg that bled like he had like two wounds,
sort of pumping out blood. It's like a cool kind
of bleeding simulator. So but yeah, bullets will do crazy
ship and they'll go in one part of your leg
and hit the bone abouts around and go out in
fact the other. But they don't always travel in straight lines.
They're not laser beams. So by exposing that wound, you
(18:39):
can sometimes see the exit wound, and so you'll know
that there are two wounds, right, Yeah, depending on how
you're going to treat it. You know you're gonna pack it,
you're going to put a torn key on it, but
that that will That's what these are for. You can
also get things which are called like I think it's
called a clothing knife. I actually keep one, yeah, into
(19:00):
the belt of my plate carrier that I used to work,
just so that it's like right here and it's the
same place I keep my diving knife, so then I
know it's there. And what it does is these are
handy thing to have in your truck to Yes, yeah,
you've seen it. So it's a contained blade, right. I
like this little chat because in addition to the contained blade,
(19:24):
it has a little glass breaker.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yes, I was going to say we have one in
the car, so it's like a se Some people might
not as a seatbelt cutter, yeah, seatbell cutter. And usually
on the other side, like you said, they have a
glass breaker. So but that is a much more contained
one and that looks nice. The one in my car
is like the size of a small hammer, because it's
like meant to be like, you know, give you the
forest to hold in and smack of window, but also
the kind of thing that is super useful. I think
everybody should have one in their car.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, you can put on your keyring even right. This
is the size of like a like a match box
or key. It's like the size of the key fob.
Yeah yeah, yeah. If you have a newer vehicle than
I do, then.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
So I didn't mean to be car classes here. Yeah, yeah,
it's okay.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Min's approaching classic status. But yeah, we'll we'll put a
link on the on the website for this little chap
as well. We're not like we're not fucking getting affiliate
revenue from that weirdness, guys, We're just trying to help
you out. Nice thing about this is like it's quite
hard to stab someone with trauma shears because they've got
this little fulling up on the bottom, but it can
(20:24):
be quite a lot of chopping and things like this
guy you can like whoop. So these are probably also
cheaper and you won't end up using them as scissors
and getting them blunt. So that is that is my
little getting people's clothes off. And then the last one.
I have a couple of burned dressings in here. That's
just because so many people got burned in twenty twenty.
(20:47):
Approached from me though, Yeah, would be so if someone
shoots something out, you don't pick that ship up, don't.
They just don't.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Like in my prepping, I got fire resistant gloves. I like,
I got gloves that were treated for like I don't know,
it's like five hundred degrees or something like that, in
the event that I needed to throw back a gas canister.
But I think I was, I mean, I was way
too rambo about the whole thing because I still have
not encountered a gas grenade once yet. So yeah, crossed,
(21:17):
but I mean I don't know, I'm down.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, maybe I'm ready just get him yeah, yeah, yeah, Dave,
I love that for you. It's great. Yeah, so you
can instead of having the gloves, right, just avoid picking
it up. But people do get burned from that from
from other stuff, right, so burn dressing not really necessary
because it's unlikely if someone is burned to the extent
that it's threatening to their life. You aren't helping them
(21:39):
with your little box of stuff, so that's fine. And
then these guys are vented chess seals. Ideally you do
want vented chess seals. I was reading a study the
other day. It's yes, you're the sort of greatest survivability
and what you are doing with those is that this
is for a sucking chest wounds. Not named that because
it sucks, but it does. Yeah, yeah, but it is.
(22:03):
This is for like, I guess, penetrating chest trauma. And
what these these guys I bought in a pack of two.
Hyphen are a good brand. I think Halo or another brand.
There are some knockoffs on on Amazon dot Com. They
wouldn't buy just like again, it's probably worse pending a
little bit extra. These are These are the ones that
have gone through extensive testing that are issued to lots
(22:25):
of militaries around the world. They're very flat, right, if
you wanted to, you could distribute the ship about your
person it's just going to be harder to get at it,
and you're not going to remember which back pocket maybe
you shut what in. These are very flat and very easy.
Their their giant stickers and you again when you do
your training, will learn how to use them. But yeah,
(22:46):
I would avoid like the rhino. I think Rhino is
one of the brands on Amazon and stuff. Just get
a hyphen is kind of the standard. There's an older
type as well, but these hyphens are more common packed
and they're preferred.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
And when you're searching hyphen, if you happen researching, it's
h y f i n We're going to put it
in the chat. But just you know, for a word
that is phonetically very similar to another common word, hyphen
is h y f i n ah.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yes, yeah, so well said Daniel. That is a that
is a that's a chess seal. Right, so here is
the other type just for you're viewing this an Ashman
chess seal, so that not preferred, So stick with the hyphen.
These are kind of bigger and don't pack as well.
(23:35):
And yeah, I would stick with the hyphens. The other
thing I have in here is a like a space blanket.
Just survival. Interesting. Yeah, so when you are losing a
lot of blood, you get very cold, and so you
do want to keep that treasure. You do want to
keep that casualty warm. This isn't going to really be
(23:57):
enough on its own, quite honestly, like you to probably
actively heat someone, but it's better than nothink. And it's
again it's very small. Again, I've given tons of these
out in various different situations that weren't like a casualty situation,
so that they've a nice thing to have. You don't
generally want to be packing shit just because it's a
nice thing to have, and we'll get onto that. But
this again is very small. There's almost always face for it.
(24:20):
So I include that. I also have a little source
of light, like a little torch flashlight for American listeners,
nice as h and that is there for being able
to see things, which is very handy actually when you
when you're trying to help someone who is bleeding. Another
(24:41):
thing to include would be gloves. I have my gloves
somewhere else on this belt, so they're not here, but
medical gloves right, And again you'll probably learn this in
your course. But like a lot of people like to
buy black ones. I don't know why cops wear black
ones all the time, right, just make it's a little
more difficult if you're doing a blood sweep, which is
(25:03):
the thing you'll learn about in your class, so that
it's actually quite hard to see like blood on black,
especially in perfect Yeah, so blue tan something like that
is kind of preferable.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
And I do have those in the first aid think good, nice, Yeah, if.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
You want to have those somewhere ready to go, I
think they're on the front of this bag, so you
could slap those on. Just you know, you don't know
where other people have been, what they've been up to,
and it doesn't matter. You still want to help them,
so you just want to just want to take care
of yourself there. So though they're honestly the main things
I have in there, what I don't have in here
is equally important, Right, I do not have tampons in here.
(25:41):
The reason I do not have tampons in here as well,
it's too far. I'm not a person who menIt rates,
and even if I was, I wouldn't have my first
aid kit. And technically because they are not very good
at but they're terrible at dealing with like massive bleeding, right,
massive hemorrhage, that's not what they're for. If people have
familiar with what they are designed for. Like, the volume
(26:03):
of blood is not the same as the volume you
see from terial bleed. Yeah yeah, yeah, believe me again,
Like I've had the misfortune to see people die from
blood loss, and like that is a lot of blood
more and it's coming out fast, and you ain't stopping
it with a tampon. It just kind of stopping someone
who is better equipped from helping. So if you want
(26:26):
to carry tampons and you want to have them available
in case someone needs them, that is great, that's very
kind of you. Put them in your car, put them
in your in your bag that you go around with. Please,
but not don't confuse them with a trauma dressing because
they are different things. Don't plan to improvise anything more broadly, right,
(26:47):
Like it's just when we have excellent tools available that
designed for this job, just use them. And it's fine
not to be able to get all this stuff at once, Right,
you could spring for the chest seals first and then
have a bit of money get the torn k that's fine,
But like, yes, can you can you improvise a chess
seal with some duct tape and a credit card or
(27:09):
a CRISP packet in theory. Sure, but like these are
like twelve bucks, so let's just let's just let's just
get them if we can. And have people improvised tornic
k successfully with cravats? Yes? Have those failed and resulted
in loss of life? You know? Yes? Like in some
cases your belt isn't a tornic k right, it doesn't
have a windless it's not going to get tight enough,
(27:31):
it might snap. Have people used successfully, yes? Is there
a twenty three dollars thing which works much more effectively? Yes?
And it's a serious thing. It's fucking it's very real.
Like again speaking from experience, like this shit will affect
you deeply, and you want to know that you did
the best you could. So and if you can't afford
(27:53):
any of this stuff, that's totally fine, Like just take
your time and acquire it.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I think an important thing to add at this point
is to you know, listeners of our show are I
think overly familiar with the way that we have kind
of introduce the idea of mutual aid, like the point
of mutual aid, And what I mean by that is
that you are not a one person revolutionary Like the
(28:20):
whole idea is community effort. And so especially with something
like this, this is like a kind of a two
part point. Especially with something like this, consider that you
are part of a community that can help people overall.
Maybe it is not you, the individual listening to this
episode right now that is like I'm going to go
invest in all of these things because I will be
the first aid person. Maybe there's someone you know who's
(28:41):
already interested in this, and this is information that you
can pass on to them should they be wanting to
invest in equipment like this. And another thing to think
about in terms of why James is offering specific items
is because think about a hobby that you like doing,
Think about anything that you like doing a lot. You
know you don't usually buy the cheapest version of the thing.
(29:04):
And now this is not me, you know, necessarily advocating
for overspending or buying expensive things. You just want to
buy stuff that lasts and that works well and that
does the job because you know overall that stuff will
last longer than anything that is cheaper in the immediate moment.
I think people can say the same thing about things
(29:25):
like work boots, about tools, about anything that to you
is worth investing your time in. So if this is
something that you value, if being a first responder, or
being that person who's there, if taking a stop the
bleed course is something that's important to you, consider that
these things are more than just like you know, good
things to have on hand. They're an investment in your
(29:47):
future and your interests. So just something to consider that. Like,
while some of these things may, I mean, nothing sounds
outrageously expensive that you've said so far. I think the
most expensive thing that you talked about was thirty five
dollars in that range.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah, you can spend a lot on the pouch, but
be sure you shouldn't, like, don't buy some fancy hype
beasts Instagram gung Guy pouching exactly. Yeah, I think, Yeah,
the Selock scores is probably much expensive thing I've spoken about.
On the point of durability, I do want to say
I've seen people practicing with their torny kes and I
(30:22):
would suggest getting another one to practice with, And totally
makes sense. So North American Mescue breaks a blue one.
It's exactly the same, It works just the same. If
you need to use it, you can, but over time
those things fatigue and that they're not designed for multiple uses.
Have they been used multiple times? Yes? Do people wash
them and wash the blood of them and use them again? Yes.
It is again like we shouldn't plan for a sub
(30:45):
optimal setting and what's already going to be a pretty
fucking sub optimal moment. And talking of suboptimal stuff, Daniel,
we have to start, yeah, to talk about Ronald Reagan.
So that's my bad.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I should have been the one being like Jason to
take an ad break.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah, very there. I am a seasoned professional. We're back.
We've returned from my AD break. So I wanted to
talk about resources for training because I think those are
very important, right, and that is where you're going to
(31:20):
learn stuff. I am not telling you how to do this.
I would suggest hitting up Stop the Bleed. I think
it Stopped the Bleed dot org. Stop the Bid training
in my area, there's a website that will link in
the description as a part of that website where you
can put in your zip code and find trainings. And
then if I think about where I've got my training,
(31:40):
it's through an organization called NOOLS National Outdoor Leadership School.
So once you get past stop the bleed, you've got
a couple of Like most community colleges will have an
EMTB course EMT Basic. That's quite a commitment of your time,
but you can learn a lot of very important things.
It can be a career for you if you want
it to be. Certainly it can be an adjunct to
(32:03):
other careers you want to do. If you want to
work in the outdoors, if you can do an e
m T B and then do a wilderness EMT that
opens up a whole range of expeditions to you. So
community college should be free. Most of those courses are
free or very affordable, depending on where you are. Knowles's
courses are not free, nor are they very affordable. That
(32:25):
they are very expensive, but they are very good. Your
look or ARII probably puts them on. Knowles does have
scholarships for people who are more marginalized from the outdoors,
or they did last time I spoke to them, so
those might be worth checking out. And then there are
apps which will give you resources. Resources are not the
same as training, right like training is knowing what to do,
(32:46):
it's not sometimes it's knowing where to look. But in
situations like this, like you don't want to be on
your phone for more advanced stuff, for stuff where you
know you're you're you're doing care in the field, right
if you're doing or you know, wilderness first responder, if
you're trying to think times that I've done stuff with
that one time I was climbing up a mountain and
the big old rock fell on me. I had to
(33:09):
split my leg and oh my god, what bleeding? Like, Yeah, yeah,
it's a good times. Don't yeah, don't don't watch out
for rock full audience.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I just want to throw something out there. Every single
time James tells us any story about his life, it
is just this this wonderfully vivid, like colorful story about
something that has happened to him, or an experience that
he's had, or a profession that he's had. That just
adds to the tone of interesting facts about James. So
(33:42):
if you, I don't know, I highly recommend you listen
to every single episode that James is on because you
have lived a fascinating life and that is merely a
split second of it. That's wild. I'm glad, you're okay, Yeah,
I'm fine, but yeah, you know, clearly here we are
with that, right, especially.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
In wildern smetter. Then there's an emphasis on using what
you already have, and because you can't bring everything into wilderness, right,
So that's where I'm saying. Knowledge doesn't wear anything. It
doesn't take up any space in your pack. So you
can use an air mattress pretty well. To splint a
leg injury. You can use one of those foam so
air mattress is a guy that you sleep on. Yeah yeah, yeah,
So you can kind of a fandangle those up around
(34:22):
a leg. You can use a therm arrest or similar
other products are available foam sleeping mattress. You can use
a hiking pole tent pole. Tentpoles are kind of nice
because you can break them down into sections to get
the right length, and then all you're using from your
first aid kit is your it's your tape, right or
(34:42):
I like ski straps. I touch everything in my life.
It's important to me with ski straps. So I love
a ski strap and I had some ski straps, and
you can just splint that bad boy with a couple
of ski straps, a couple of tent poles back of
the neck. You're not having a great day at that point.
This is not the kind of medical care you'd hope
for in a professional setting. But you know, if you've
(35:04):
got that and you've got a crush, you can you
can get yourself to a higher degree of care. So
when we're doing stuff like that, I believe Knowles has
a Wilderness Medicine app. There's Deployed Medicine, which is a
US military resource for field care, which can help to
remind you of stuff that you've already trained on. It's
not going to teach you to do stuff you shouldn't,
just read about it on there and use it. And
(35:26):
there's a new one called Goes Goes which literally launched
like this week, Goes Health, which it's offline to It
gives an offline data base of wilderness medicine and it
helps you kind of with diagnostic cues of stuff. So
when you do your wilderness first responder, at least when
I did it, someone must have had an ectopic pregnancy
and had a very bad outcome, because they'll they'll ask
(35:47):
you with all these questions like what could this be?
What could this be? And like they want you to
be able to know what an act topic pregnancy is
so like, but there's like a sort of flow chart
that you can follow right to help you be like
what is this is appendicitis what's going on here? So when?
Because you probably won't remember every certainly if you take
a woof of course and then two years later, you
(36:07):
know you before you recertify it, like something happens, a
lot could happen in two years, you won't have remembered
everything that you learned in your course. Right, So some
of those apps are useful, but the most important thing
the thing where you will learn to use all of
the items in this I fat is stopped the bleed
and it is free, and that is where everyone should start.
(36:28):
They're not going to teach you how to use all
the things. So if we bust open the bag that
you got Daniel quickly, it's overstuffed.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
There's a lot of things in there. Yeah wait, too
many things. I mean literally like as there is a
there is a pouch of emergency drinking water. Oh yeah,
there is there is a watch McCall it, a bright
stick like a little light stick. There is about one
hundred different kinds of watch McCall it. Like look at
(36:59):
this literal just like pile of band aids, just like
hundreds of band aids and alcohol wipes and oh there's
a whistle. A whistle is should you get lost in
the wilderness.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
This is a very handy in urban or rural dishausters,
but not for fiestat, not for this.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I don't think any of this stuff is necessarily bad.
It's just there's just way too much. There's gauze pads.
There is this ABD pad sterile extra absorbent pad yep
that you know, I don't think is going to do
what it needs to do. But there's a shit ton
of gauze in here. And there are look, you want
to talk about things to cut open. You're talking about
(37:39):
clothing scissors. These little guys are I don't think are
going to do that. No, that tape and stuff exactly
trimming tape. There's also tweezers in here. I really this
feels like for people who are in the wilderness and
they get a splinter.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yeah, yeah, and that stuff super handy to having your
truck or your car, Like motorcycle guys are only pretty good. Yes, yeah,
it's not gonna immediately stop you from dying from loss
of blood, which is more we're concerned without. If you
do ride a motorcycle. You really want to fucking have one,
Like I ride a bicycle, and I have seen some
(38:16):
motor vehicle accidents, and I'm just going to say, motorcycle
folks want to have that. Someone else can grab it
off your motorbi I can use it if you've hurt yourself.
But sure, I've seen that happen before. So yeah, that
stuff is all very handy, it's all very nice. It
can make you feel better, right, Like there's I imagine
there's a ton of viberprofen and paracetamol and benadryl. All
(38:38):
that stuff is great. That stuff's super handy, right, And
another thing I would add is some of that stuff
can be life saving if you have an allergy, right,
and you need to take something for that, Yeah, put
that in your first aid kit because that's particular to you. Right.
And if you if that's going to if you need
an EpiPen, then have your EpiPen of course, right, you know,
I'm sure you do. Anyway, if you have diabetes, have
(38:58):
your gluca garden and some Sure, all of that stuff
is of course important. But in terms of like dealing
with what we perceive to be an increased risk of
like homophobic violence, which normally manifests itself as people getting
shot in this country. Then the little scissors and their
ABD pad, the band aids aren't what we need and
(39:21):
they're just going to get in the way. So even
if you have those, great keep them in the car.
I gave tons of people band aids because they've got
blisters in twenty twenty, right, because people are not familiar
with walking that far. Their boots sucked. People decided to
wear heavy boots because they were worried. All understandable things.
It's a lot of band aids, a lot of a
lot of horseshoe plasters or of you know, like second skin. Great,
(39:44):
happy to give you one of those things. I'll keep
it in a different pocket though, right, So so I'm
not you know, sorting pats of blister plasters if someone's
been shot. And that's a good tip regardless of what
you're doing, what you even if you're doing, you know,
you're bringing more stuff and more WEP. But it's great aspirin.
I bet people need that sometimes, or iyeberprofiene if their
knees hurting from walking a lot, Great pound that shit.
(40:07):
But like, don't that's not what we want. We don't
want to be administering medicines really, certainly if we're not
trying to do so after a trauma thing, because some
of they pay medicines we might be taking might might
inhibit blood clotting, right, So we don't want to be
doing that before that person goes on too a higher
standard ca it's going to fucking suck for them. But
like you're, the best you can do is stop that
(40:30):
person dying or help someone else who's qualified to do
that by just saying, hey, I have this stuff, and
it's all pretty compact, you know, like I said, it's
it's you know, the size of a paperback book, decent
sized paperback books, something like that, and having it may
or may not be hopefully right. You just buy this
thing and it sits around for a while, and eventually,
(40:53):
if you've been having the tornicque in the sun for
years and years, you want to replace it. The UV
can cause them to decay. You can just put them
inside a pouch. I've made all kinds of pouches for them.
You can buy an expensive one on the internet, or
you can just use a piece so a piece of nylon,
which is what I do two rubber bands and put
it inside your waistband of your thing. Many many such
(41:15):
solutions exist, But yeah, I would encourage everyone. I think
I've said it's about twenty eight times to get training
and not just to just go and do this. If
you can't access that training straight away and you want
to get the stuff where you look for training, that's fine.
Just don't be doing stuff you don't know how to do,
because you know someone might confuse out for someone who
is qualified and is helping. And then if you don't
(41:37):
know what you're doing and you make a mistake, and
that that could be worse than someone. If someone comes
in and they're doing triage right, they're saying, who do
we need to treat now? Who do we need to
treat later? Who can't we help then? And they see
you doing that, Okay, that person's covered that. You want
to be sure that you're covering what you're doing. So yeah,
just make sure you get the training. We're not trying
(41:59):
to scare you into not going to things. Please don't
feel afraid. I know it's very easy to feel afraid.
That's of course the goal of you know, most of
these people, their ass is welded to their gaming chair,
and they will never actually come into the streets and
hurt you. They just stay stuff on Twitter dot com
and like, you're fine. But it's very reasonable to be prudent.
(42:22):
And certainly this is stuff I have in my truk,
I have it in my bag, I have it in
most places I go, and you know, you get used
to it. It's fine, and take it a course. And
I'm on work trips and I try and leave lots
of it with my colleagues who can't access it so
easily in other countries. So yeah, I hope that's helpful
for people. Mind. It's mind, Yeah, yeah, it is. It's
(42:44):
it's and I look, I guess just to wrap up
like you are not. I don't watch television really, Hugh Laurie,
what's Hugh Lurry's deal house? Oh house? Yeah, or like
some other super doctor, right, like you can't heal everyone.
Bad things happen, But it's just peace of mind and
(43:04):
trying to do your best to help everyone. And that's
relatively accessible and not too expensive. I think there's an
IPAC fund which gives youse away for free as well,
so cool. That's where we're looking in too. If that's
if someone can find that, they can send it to
me and I will post it. But yeah, it's a
peace of mind and it's it's not too hard to
get that training. So go out there and do that.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Wonderful.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Do it with someone you love, do it, do it
for fun, do it with your friend, make it. Do
it on a date. Yeah, find someone on Tuesday. Yeah, yeah,
do it. Let us know how that goes.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Hey, what's your favorite color? So what are you doing
this weekend? Wanted to a stop the bleed course.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
I think that's very sexy, Ei one hundred percent be
into that exactly. Yeah, please don't DM me with potential
still the bleeping no jams, No, no, don't do it.
But yeah, hopefully that helps people. Wonderful.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Well, James, thank you so much for this awesome information.
It's been an absolute pleasure being on the show with you.
And we'll post links in the chat or post sorry,
post link the chat that we have. Gosh, exactly that
that's that's my twitch shit coming through. Will post links
in the description of the episode, and yeah, I look
(44:21):
forward to doing this again with you.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Yeah, Daniel, talking of your twitch shit, where can people
find you twitch? Shit.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
They don't need to find me anywhere, but if you
want to find me, you can twitch your address, TV,
slash Twitch dot tv, slash DJ Underscore Daniel d A
n L. And if you want to come ask me
what Robert smells like. I will not ban you, but
I will time you out for ten minutes, so you know,
just you know, know that I'm happy to have whoever
wants to come watch the watch the twitch stream, but
(44:47):
I'm not going to answer any weird questions about my coworkers.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
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Hello, everyone, welcome to the podcast. It could happen here.
It's me James today and I am joined for a
rare example of Danel being on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yes, welcome you, Danel, and James, thank you for having me.
I'm thrilled to be here to talk with you on
the podcast that I edit every single day.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah. Yeah, Normally you just hear me, but at this
time you get like the dan It's like the Subaltan speaks,
but it's Danel. I couldn't fucking I couldn't really go
anywhere with that, so I just I just left the
two halves of the joke out there, and either of
them with a partner A very sad. Yeah. So, Danel,
we're here today to talk about first Day Kits and
(00:46):
the reason we're talking about First Ay kits is because
it is Pride Month at the time of recording. That,
of course, in the United States means that people are
worried about being murdered by homophobic psychopaths. Unfortunately, so hmm,
that is that is the world that we live in,
and it shouldn't be. It's fucked up, and it hopefully
won't be this way forever because you know, all these
(01:08):
people are wrong and will die eventually and that will
make the world better. But fingers crossed, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
we can, we can hope. I guess maybe they're raising
a new generation of Turfs or whatever. I don't think
the hopefully not, let's not. Yeah. So I just wanted
to talk because I've seen a bunch of people online,
(01:31):
like a lot of people who are in the like
lgbt q I a community, or who are going to
pride just being like oh fuck like it. Genuinely, I
can see why people are very afraid right because violence
against queer people is at least seemingly increasing. I'm not
going to give you training because this is a podcast
(01:51):
and you can't learn first aid on a podcast, and
you can't learn it on YouTube either. Really, I wanted
to talk briefly about like supplies and then places to
get training, because that is very important. I have bought
my first ay kit that I used for work. I
have quite a few that I used for work. Actually
(02:12):
I don't like to repat them. And I know that
you have bought one that Jeffrey Bezos kindly sent you. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, at the at the height of the you know,
the George Floyd protests, et cetera. I was out there
in the streets and kind of after observing what was
happening in Portland, and after you know, listening into and
editing it could happen to year episodes and you know
what what Gear and Robert were covering. It felt, if
(02:38):
not necessary, but very prudent to invest in something like
this so that should there be a need to help
people in the streets, I was there unable to do so.
And whether or not this was a good first aid kit,
I think we're going to find out today.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, that's the aim of the game. I should point
out that, like my medical training is pretty basic, right,
I'm not that kind of doctor, but I do have
a wilderness first responder and a wilderness first aid and
to stop the bleed training, and I've done CPR training,
and I've done hostile environment first aid training, so a
bunch of stuff which is focused around very very very
(03:13):
basic first aid. Right. In all of those cases, it's
like make sure the person doesn't die immediately, and then
get them to someone who is better trained than you
so that they can help them more immen, which is
like listen, if you are learning about medical stuff, on
the podcast hosted by a guy who has a PhD
in mode European history. Then that that is what you
are doing too, write like yes, and we're going to
(03:35):
talk about that because you can for sure fock someone
up if you if you go sort of outside of
your scope of knowledge. And that is I understand the
desire to help. That we have to help in the
way that's most helpful, I guess, not do any harm.
So yeah, let's go over. Let's let's go over I
guess my first aid kit, and then we can we
can open yours and see what's the same and what's different. Right,
(03:57):
So this is one because it's small and it fits
in the small of my back, and if I really
need to, I could just like wear a kind of
baggy shirt and it wouldn't be too obvious. I also
have one that fits around my ankle for times when
I really don't want people to know I have it,
but but I also want to have it. And then
you can wear some sick flare jeans or something and
people just think you're a trendy kind of guy. Yeah
(04:21):
they'll know. So yeah, in mind, it sort of goes on.
It's one of your back and then you can pull
it away, right, has a big old red handle. Just
put it like that and it comes away. Yeah, it's nice.
That's one thing I will say right off the bat
is like, I've seen a number of people get hurt
in a number of different situations. I've seen a number
of people render first date, including myself, sometimes successfully, sometimes
(04:42):
sadly not successfully. And if you're if you have a
big bag of shit and then you open your bag
of shit and you're just throwing stuff everywhere, Stuff's falling
on the ground, it you're that's not helpful, right, Like
the things that will kill people that are preventable for
the most part in and like trauma injuries. Right, Like
(05:04):
the stuff that we might see if we're going to
a pride, if we're attending a protest, if we fucking
work in a school in America, right is largely like
like attention umothorax and a whole sucking chest wound and
losing blood. And losing blood is I believe that the
sort of most common preventable cause of death in in
(05:27):
trauma injuries. So most of us is going to focus
around losing blood. And that's where tyber training called stop
the bleed comes in right, I believe it's stop the
Bleed dot org. You can google free stop the Bleed
classes near me. I have previously posted a link to
where you can put in your postcode, zip code and
find free stop the Bleed training near you. And again
(05:50):
that will cost you no money at all, cost you
about half a day.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Of your time.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Oh great, yeah, yeah, it's it's a great thing actually,
Like it's one of the few things that that you know,
the municipal guy meant to various things put on. Well,
if there isn't one near you, I've heard the people
hitting up fire departments and then getting them to put
one on if they can demonstrate some interest because it's
very basic. And most fire departments will have paramedics, right,
(06:13):
which is a sort of step up from an empty
So those those folks can help teach those things very well.
So what is in here for stopping the bleed? And
I'm not going to teach you how to use it,
because then what someone else does?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Someone else's job.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, so before I open it up, this is a tornicque.
Some people will pronounce that incorrectly. They will say that
those people are with that hard t kit. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
the American way. Yeah, so it's what this guy is
is is it? It's for like bleeding your limbs, arterial
(06:49):
bleeding your limbs. Right, it just goes around since it
down and I'm not telling you how to use it,
and then you tighten it up right. The things I
want to emphasize about this are one the tie of tornicae.
That is so this is called a combat application tornice.
It's made by a company called North American Rescue. There
are a few other ones that I would use. The
(07:11):
other one I have, I think is the Softy Wide
and I have some of the REVX med ratcheting tornicades
as well. They use like a boa. If people have
used ski boots or cycling shoes, they'll be familiar with
a boa call. The one to buy is the one
that you use when you do your training right, and
it's going to be a sam as another one. There's another.
(07:33):
These are all the toniques you want to buy if
you're sort of if you're confused about which one you used.
The ones that are approved by the t trouble C
It's a Committee on Tactical Casualty Care, Tactical Casualty something
like that. Those guys have tested them extensively right to
see which wants work, which wants to don't. It is
(07:54):
this is not somewhere to save money that they they
are about twenty three twenty five bucks. You find them
on sale, it's not. Yeah. I mean, if if that's
a big expense for you, then I understand, uh, and
it's it's okay not to have one if that's a
big expense or to save up and wait like, that's okay.
It's better than using an improvised tornic K. Right. So
(08:16):
there there are not very many very good studies at
least that I could find on improvised tornic K's someplaces
still teaching improvised tornic K, like I I've taken a
Woman's First Responder where they taught it. I've also seen
one not work, and I will tell you that that's
not an experience that I want to ever have again
(08:38):
in my life, and I don't think it's one i'd
like you all to share with me. So I would
suggest if you're going to be using a tornic K,
then then buying a cat is kind of the standard.
I wouldn't buy it from Jeffrey Bezos because this Amazon
dot com is a website that he owns, I believe, Yeah,
Space Cowboy Jeffrey. And so the reason why is that
(09:00):
all of these different there are knockoffs, right, there are
fakes of this. They go in different they go in
the same bin from what I'm told, and then the
person who's a picker just maybe grabs one, and sometimes
you can end up with a fake. What can happen
with a fake is the strap can break or the windless.
So the windless is the guy that tightens it can break. Ah, Okay,
(09:21):
either of those things is going to lead to the
tonic failing. Right, it's not going to apply enough pressure,
and that's going to it could do a number of things, right,
It could just fail to start the bleeding. Depending on
if you've misidentified the bleeding. You could give someone a
compartment syndrome or something. It's going to be very painful.
It's going to be very painful anyway, and you'll learn
that in your course which you're going to take. You're
not gonna not going to just listen to me on
(09:42):
the podcast, thank you. And so you do want a
real one, and so the easiest way to obtain a
real one is to buy one from a reliable source
Rescue Essentials, Chinook Medical and North American Rescuer or people
who I've worked with. I'll say that Rescue is Eventual
sent me a bunch of shit before I went on
a work trip. They it was lots of it was
(10:04):
outdated or the open box or something, and I was
able to donate that to fixes and journalists I was
working with. I thought that was very cool of them.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
They offer a stop the Bleed month discount. I think
stop the Bleed month is May, so we might be
out of that now. But those are real places where
you can buy these tonic cas and know that you're
not getting a fake one, right.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
So you'll provide links to that in the description of
the place.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
We will yeap yeah, yeah, I'll make sure that those
are there for you to click. So there are different generations,
like I think generation seven is what I have. Generation
six is also fine. You probably won't find one sold
before that. On the off chance you do, I would
just stick to a generation seven or six. And it
does have a little timestamps, so you want little sharpie
(10:47):
as well to write the time on. That's more important.
It's possible that you might put this on somebody. So
you're at a pride event and there is something terrible happening,
like a mass shooter, and you might be there for
a while. Let's say you're in tech and all your
cops are fucking cowards, and then unfortunately, if you were
able to render aid someone and then you both of
you were able to not get hurt any further, you
(11:08):
could be there for a while, and then it would
be relevant what time the tornica is applied. Normally, you know,
in the US, we would hope that you would have
medical attention pretty quickly because you know, that threat would
have been stopped and then EMS would be able to
provide help. But so that that's where the time thing
comes in, right, And so you want to have a
tiny sharpie when you have a tornic and you can
get North American Rescue actually sell little tiny, half sized
(11:29):
sharpies and I shove them in the pouch with the
tornic ue and then there they are, and then you
always have a sharpie. So we go inside there it is.
Look at that. Okay, hey the little guy, Oh that's
a cute. Yeah, isn't it gorgeous? Yeah? We love a
little guy. Here to credit card size sharpie. It's perfect. Yeah, yeah,
for those who are not dannel exactly somewhat with a
(11:50):
pinky sharpie and I'll.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Do I will do the part of contextualizing for the
for the non video audience.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Thank you, Daniel. Yeah, of course, paint a picture with
words if you will. So we're going through this now.
If if you focus on bleeding again, right, there's a
couple of different dressings that you have. So again I'm
not going to tell you what to use for wear,
but you would use like the tournique on one part
of your body. The other things you're going to use
would be a pressure dressing. So you can get a
(12:18):
ton of different pressure dressings. I like the Olays ones O.
L A E. S That it doesn't hugely matter that
those ones just have a little bit of gorse that
you can pull out so you can pack a wound
two And sometimes if you do so, if you get
like a nice training, they might let you practice packing
some wounds, so they might have like a little fake
wound that you can pack and yeah, so that you'll
(12:42):
learn a lot about like how to do that there
and so those allowed some of the other ones don't.
But honestly, like sometimes they're called Israeli bandages. They will
not like colonize Palestine if you you know, put them
in you at first gate kit. But that's what this
guy is, right, And sometimes they have a lot of
(13:03):
packaging on, so you want to take them down to
kind of the last layer of packaging. None of this
shit is sterile, right, None of this stuff is. Again,
it's not supposed to be in for a long time,
so it's okay to have that like either just bear
or in its first layer of packaging.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I want to get textualize one thing from a video perspective,
just for everybody listening. As James is showing me his
first aid kit, it looks like every item that he's
talking about other than the tournique is individually wrapped and
also strapped down. Yeah, it looks like I would say,
about seven or eight individual items within there, and they
all have their own pocket and they're all strapped down.
(13:42):
And that's something that immediately looking at mine, I basically
have you know, small plastic baggies that I will hold
up to James right now, small plastic baggies of just
like a lot of loose shits, and it's just way
too much stuff in here, I would say, of what
I see in James's bag versus mine, I think I mean,
first of all, there's stuff missing, Like there's no tournique
(14:02):
in here. There's a lot of different gauze things, and
there's but there's you know, in mind, I have like
seven hundred different bandages, and like there's aspirin in here,
and like some things that feel like they're more for
like a camping trip than they are really like handling
a first aid scenario in which you need to save
someone's life. So one piece of advice that I'm getting
(14:24):
from James as he shares this, is that you know,
what's important to carry around is the stuff that is
going to give you immediate access to the ability to
save someone's life. So think about that as you are
like packing your bag. What I have here that I
bought online, that I'm still glad that I have is
basically a collection of a bunch of different miscellaneous first
(14:44):
aid stuff rather than a very stripped down specific list
of items that I can use to save someone's life
in an emergency scenario.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yes, excellent point, and you can see them all right
when you open this guy. This guy is also like
sign it's such as I can pull it off, pop
it on the floor, open it up, have my workspace
in front of me. If there's anything I'm not confident doing,
If like when horrible things happen and people are bleeding you,
you do not in that time gain skills right at
(15:16):
that moment, speaking from like more experience than I would
like to have. If people are in a really bad
way in front of you, it's not a fun time,
and you get scared and you might panic. That's okay,
that happens to everyone. People aren't supposed to see their shit,
and if it, certainly, if it's your first time seeing,
it's not unreasonable at all to freak out and not
know what to do. You can just hold any of
(15:37):
the ship up, say hey I have a tonic uit,
Hey I have a pressure dressing, and someone who who's
at that time is able to help can take that.
You know what they're doing, they can help. So it's
totally fine just to have this shit. And if you
don't know how to use it, you know, don't go
beyond your scope of knowledge. But just you have that
shit and you can provide it someone else, that's fine.
(16:05):
So yeah, everything's in little elastic bands. I've got this
stuff which is called quick clot We've talked a lot
of the podcast recently about indigenous medical technologies. This is
an example of one. Right. So it's using I think kalin.
There's some that use kalin, some that use something that
came from crab shells. But this is this is an
indigenous medical technology that now is sort of it's a
(16:27):
bit it's been refined over time. This just contains a
thing that stops it helps blood to clots, hemostatic agent. Right,
So when you're packing a wound, you could use this first.
This this would help with blood clotting. Right. It's also
the type I have is detectable on X rays, which
helps a lot. There are some older types which are powders.
(16:49):
Those of those are probably best avoided. And you want
the gauze that is impregnated with the hemostatic agent if
you can. This stuff got really pricey recently, Like I
think the best price I've seen for this is thirty
five bucks. Oh wow, So yeah, this guy is going
to cost you the most.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Do you have an idea why that is?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I think a lot of people probably bought it in
twenty twenty. Might be part of it. Maybe it's some
kind of supply chain thing. I don't if you know
where they get the ingredients from. But they just went
up in price a lot link Like a lot of
people were sort of reaching out about, Hey, why is
this shit so expensive? Sure, I don't know, but it's
(17:28):
not like one hundred percent necessary, but it is a
very helpful thing and it can make a difference in
some cases. Right, So that's the hemostetic gause. What else
I've gotten here as a pair of trauma shares. That's
just if you need to remove someone's clothing to access
a wound, and that is kind of important. So for instance,
I was doing a training once and I prefer to
(17:50):
speak about those things. So like where a guy was
presented to us with gunshot wound, and like, if you
don't rip off his houses like this, you know, if
someone's been shot and you're there helping them. Again, like
if if you're not comfortable doing this, you haven't done
the training and don't be just ripping off strangers clothes.
That's weird in general. Yeah, yeah, there comes a yes. Yeah.
(18:16):
So like and they had this cool kind of thing
around his leg that bled like he had like two wounds,
sort of pumping out blood. It's like a cool kind
of bleeding simulator. So but yeah, bullets will do crazy
ship and they'll go in one part of your leg
and hit the bone abouts around and go out in
fact the other. But they don't always travel in straight lines.
They're not laser beams. So by exposing that wound, you
(18:39):
can sometimes see the exit wound, and so you'll know
that there are two wounds, right, Yeah, depending on how
you're going to treat it. You know you're gonna pack it,
you're going to put a torn key on it, but
that that will That's what these are for. You can
also get things which are called like I think it's
called a clothing knife. I actually keep one, yeah, into
(19:00):
the belt of my plate carrier that I used to work,
just so that it's like right here and it's the
same place I keep my diving knife, so then I
know it's there. And what it does is these are
handy thing to have in your truck to Yes, yeah,
you've seen it. So it's a contained blade, right. I
like this little chat because in addition to the contained blade,
(19:24):
it has a little glass breaker.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yes, I was going to say we have one in
the car, so it's like a se Some people might
not as a seatbelt cutter, yeah, seatbell cutter. And usually
on the other side, like you said, they have a
glass breaker. So but that is a much more contained
one and that looks nice. The one in my car
is like the size of a small hammer, because it's
like meant to be like, you know, give you the
forest to hold in and smack of window, but also
the kind of thing that is super useful. I think
everybody should have one in their car.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, you can put on your keyring even right. This
is the size of like a like a match box
or key. It's like the size of the key fob.
Yeah yeah, yeah. If you have a newer vehicle than
I do, then.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
So I didn't mean to be car classes here. Yeah, yeah,
it's okay.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Min's approaching classic status. But yeah, we'll we'll put a
link on the on the website for this little chap
as well. We're not like we're not fucking getting affiliate
revenue from that weirdness, guys, We're just trying to help
you out. Nice thing about this is like it's quite
hard to stab someone with trauma shears because they've got
this little fulling up on the bottom, but it can
(20:24):
be quite a lot of chopping and things like this
guy you can like whoop. So these are probably also
cheaper and you won't end up using them as scissors
and getting them blunt. So that is that is my
little getting people's clothes off. And then the last one.
I have a couple of burned dressings in here. That's
just because so many people got burned in twenty twenty.
(20:47):
Approached from me though, Yeah, would be so if someone
shoots something out, you don't pick that ship up, don't.
They just don't.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Like in my prepping, I got fire resistant gloves. I like,
I got gloves that were treated for like I don't know,
it's like five hundred degrees or something like that, in
the event that I needed to throw back a gas canister.
But I think I was, I mean, I was way
too rambo about the whole thing because I still have
not encountered a gas grenade once yet. So yeah, crossed,
(21:17):
but I mean I don't know, I'm down.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, maybe I'm ready just get him yeah, yeah, yeah, Dave,
I love that for you. It's great. Yeah, so you
can instead of having the gloves, right, just avoid picking
it up. But people do get burned from that from
from other stuff, right, so burn dressing not really necessary
because it's unlikely if someone is burned to the extent
that it's threatening to their life. You aren't helping them
(21:39):
with your little box of stuff, so that's fine. And
then these guys are vented chess seals. Ideally you do
want vented chess seals. I was reading a study the
other day. It's yes, you're the sort of greatest survivability
and what you are doing with those is that this
is for a sucking chest wounds. Not named that because
it sucks, but it does. Yeah, yeah, but it is.
(22:03):
This is for like, I guess, penetrating chest trauma. And
what these these guys I bought in a pack of two.
Hyphen are a good brand. I think Halo or another brand.
There are some knockoffs on on Amazon dot Com. They
wouldn't buy just like again, it's probably worse pending a
little bit extra. These are These are the ones that
have gone through extensive testing that are issued to lots
(22:25):
of militaries around the world. They're very flat, right, if
you wanted to, you could distribute the ship about your
person it's just going to be harder to get at it,
and you're not going to remember which back pocket maybe
you shut what in. These are very flat and very easy.
Their their giant stickers and you again when you do
your training, will learn how to use them. But yeah,
(22:46):
I would avoid like the rhino. I think Rhino is
one of the brands on Amazon and stuff. Just get
a hyphen is kind of the standard. There's an older
type as well, but these hyphens are more common packed
and they're preferred.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
And when you're searching hyphen, if you happen researching, it's
h y f i n We're going to put it
in the chat. But just you know, for a word
that is phonetically very similar to another common word, hyphen
is h y f i n ah.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yes, yeah, so well said Daniel. That is a that
is a that's a chess seal. Right, so here is
the other type just for you're viewing this an Ashman
chess seal, so that not preferred, So stick with the hyphen.
These are kind of bigger and don't pack as well.
(23:35):
And yeah, I would stick with the hyphens. The other
thing I have in here is a like a space blanket.
Just survival. Interesting. Yeah, so when you are losing a
lot of blood, you get very cold, and so you
do want to keep that treasure. You do want to
keep that casualty warm. This isn't going to really be
(23:57):
enough on its own, quite honestly, like you to probably
actively heat someone, but it's better than nothink. And it's
again it's very small. Again, I've given tons of these
out in various different situations that weren't like a casualty situation,
so that they've a nice thing to have. You don't
generally want to be packing shit just because it's a
nice thing to have, and we'll get onto that. But
this again is very small. There's almost always face for it.
(24:20):
So I include that. I also have a little source
of light, like a little torch flashlight for American listeners,
nice as h and that is there for being able
to see things, which is very handy actually when you
when you're trying to help someone who is bleeding. Another
(24:41):
thing to include would be gloves. I have my gloves
somewhere else on this belt, so they're not here, but
medical gloves right, And again you'll probably learn this in
your course. But like a lot of people like to
buy black ones. I don't know why cops wear black
ones all the time, right, just make it's a little
more difficult if you're doing a blood sweep, which is
(25:03):
the thing you'll learn about in your class, so that
it's actually quite hard to see like blood on black,
especially in perfect Yeah, so blue tan something like that
is kind of preferable.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
And I do have those in the first aid think good, nice, Yeah, if.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
You want to have those somewhere ready to go, I
think they're on the front of this bag, so you
could slap those on. Just you know, you don't know
where other people have been, what they've been up to,
and it doesn't matter. You still want to help them,
so you just want to just want to take care
of yourself there. So though they're honestly the main things
I have in there, what I don't have in here
is equally important, Right, I do not have tampons in here.
(25:41):
The reason I do not have tampons in here as well,
it's too far. I'm not a person who menIt rates,
and even if I was, I wouldn't have my first
aid kit. And technically because they are not very good
at but they're terrible at dealing with like massive bleeding, right,
massive hemorrhage, that's not what they're for. If people have
familiar with what they are designed for. Like, the volume
(26:03):
of blood is not the same as the volume you
see from terial bleed. Yeah yeah, yeah, believe me again,
Like I've had the misfortune to see people die from
blood loss, and like that is a lot of blood
more and it's coming out fast, and you ain't stopping
it with a tampon. It just kind of stopping someone
who is better equipped from helping. So if you want
(26:26):
to carry tampons and you want to have them available
in case someone needs them, that is great, that's very
kind of you. Put them in your car, put them
in your in your bag that you go around with. Please,
but not don't confuse them with a trauma dressing because
they are different things. Don't plan to improvise anything more broadly, right,
(26:47):
Like it's just when we have excellent tools available that
designed for this job, just use them. And it's fine
not to be able to get all this stuff at once, Right,
you could spring for the chest seals first and then
have a bit of money get the torn k that's fine,
But like, yes, can you can you improvise a chess
seal with some duct tape and a credit card or
(27:09):
a CRISP packet in theory. Sure, but like these are
like twelve bucks, so let's just let's just let's just
get them if we can. And have people improvised tornic
k successfully with cravats? Yes? Have those failed and resulted
in loss of life? You know? Yes? Like in some
cases your belt isn't a tornic k right, it doesn't
have a windless it's not going to get tight enough,
(27:31):
it might snap. Have people used successfully, yes? Is there
a twenty three dollars thing which works much more effectively? Yes?
And it's a serious thing. It's fucking it's very real.
Like again speaking from experience, like this shit will affect
you deeply, and you want to know that you did
the best you could. So and if you can't afford
(27:53):
any of this stuff, that's totally fine, Like just take
your time and acquire it.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I think an important thing to add at this point
is to you know, listeners of our show are I
think overly familiar with the way that we have kind
of introduce the idea of mutual aid, like the point
of mutual aid, And what I mean by that is
that you are not a one person revolutionary Like the
(28:20):
whole idea is community effort. And so especially with something
like this, this is like a kind of a two
part point. Especially with something like this, consider that you
are part of a community that can help people overall.
Maybe it is not you, the individual listening to this
episode right now that is like I'm going to go
invest in all of these things because I will be
the first aid person. Maybe there's someone you know who's
(28:41):
already interested in this, and this is information that you
can pass on to them should they be wanting to
invest in equipment like this. And another thing to think
about in terms of why James is offering specific items
is because think about a hobby that you like doing,
Think about anything that you like doing a lot. You
know you don't usually buy the cheapest version of the thing.
(29:04):
And now this is not me, you know, necessarily advocating
for overspending or buying expensive things. You just want to
buy stuff that lasts and that works well and that
does the job because you know overall that stuff will
last longer than anything that is cheaper in the immediate moment.
I think people can say the same thing about things
(29:25):
like work boots, about tools, about anything that to you
is worth investing your time in. So if this is
something that you value, if being a first responder, or
being that person who's there, if taking a stop the
bleed course is something that's important to you, consider that
these things are more than just like you know, good
things to have on hand. They're an investment in your
(29:47):
future and your interests. So just something to consider that. Like,
while some of these things may, I mean, nothing sounds
outrageously expensive that you've said so far. I think the
most expensive thing that you talked about was thirty five
dollars in that range.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah, you can spend a lot on the pouch, but
be sure you shouldn't, like, don't buy some fancy hype
beasts Instagram gung Guy pouching exactly. Yeah, I think, Yeah,
the Selock scores is probably much expensive thing I've spoken about.
On the point of durability, I do want to say
I've seen people practicing with their torny kes and I
(30:22):
would suggest getting another one to practice with, And totally
makes sense. So North American Mescue breaks a blue one.
It's exactly the same, It works just the same. If
you need to use it, you can, but over time
those things fatigue and that they're not designed for multiple uses.
Have they been used multiple times? Yes? Do people wash
them and wash the blood of them and use them again? Yes.
It is again like we shouldn't plan for a sub
(30:45):
optimal setting and what's already going to be a pretty
fucking sub optimal moment. And talking of suboptimal stuff, Daniel,
we have to start, yeah, to talk about Ronald Reagan.
So that's my bad.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I should have been the one being like Jason to
take an ad break.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah, very there. I am a seasoned professional. We're back.
We've returned from my AD break. So I wanted to
talk about resources for training because I think those are
very important, right, and that is where you're going to
(31:20):
learn stuff. I am not telling you how to do this.
I would suggest hitting up Stop the Bleed. I think
it Stopped the Bleed dot org. Stop the Bid training
in my area, there's a website that will link in
the description as a part of that website where you
can put in your zip code and find trainings. And
then if I think about where I've got my training,
(31:40):
it's through an organization called NOOLS National Outdoor Leadership School.
So once you get past stop the bleed, you've got
a couple of Like most community colleges will have an
EMTB course EMT Basic. That's quite a commitment of your time,
but you can learn a lot of very important things.
It can be a career for you if you want
it to be. Certainly it can be an adjunct to
(32:03):
other careers you want to do. If you want to
work in the outdoors, if you can do an e
m T B and then do a wilderness EMT that
opens up a whole range of expeditions to you. So
community college should be free. Most of those courses are
free or very affordable, depending on where you are. Knowles's
courses are not free, nor are they very affordable. That
(32:25):
they are very expensive, but they are very good. Your
look or ARII probably puts them on. Knowles does have
scholarships for people who are more marginalized from the outdoors,
or they did last time I spoke to them, so
those might be worth checking out. And then there are
apps which will give you resources. Resources are not the
same as training, right like training is knowing what to do,
(32:46):
it's not sometimes it's knowing where to look. But in
situations like this, like you don't want to be on
your phone for more advanced stuff, for stuff where you
know you're you're you're doing care in the field, right
if you're doing or you know, wilderness first responder, if
you're trying to think times that I've done stuff with
that one time I was climbing up a mountain and
the big old rock fell on me. I had to
(33:09):
split my leg and oh my god, what bleeding? Like, Yeah, yeah,
it's a good times. Don't yeah, don't don't watch out
for rock full audience.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I just want to throw something out there. Every single
time James tells us any story about his life, it
is just this this wonderfully vivid, like colorful story about
something that has happened to him, or an experience that
he's had, or a profession that he's had. That just
adds to the tone of interesting facts about James. So
(33:42):
if you, I don't know, I highly recommend you listen
to every single episode that James is on because you
have lived a fascinating life and that is merely a
split second of it. That's wild. I'm glad, you're okay, Yeah,
I'm fine, but yeah, you know, clearly here we are
with that, right, especially.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
In wildern smetter. Then there's an emphasis on using what
you already have, and because you can't bring everything into wilderness, right,
So that's where I'm saying. Knowledge doesn't wear anything. It
doesn't take up any space in your pack. So you
can use an air mattress pretty well. To splint a
leg injury. You can use one of those foam so
air mattress is a guy that you sleep on. Yeah yeah, yeah,
So you can kind of a fandangle those up around
(34:22):
a leg. You can use a therm arrest or similar
other products are available foam sleeping mattress. You can use
a hiking pole tent pole. Tentpoles are kind of nice
because you can break them down into sections to get
the right length, and then all you're using from your
first aid kit is your it's your tape, right or
(34:42):
I like ski straps. I touch everything in my life.
It's important to me with ski straps. So I love
a ski strap and I had some ski straps, and
you can just splint that bad boy with a couple
of ski straps, a couple of tent poles back of
the neck. You're not having a great day at that point.
This is not the kind of medical care you'd hope
for in a professional setting. But you know, if you've
(35:04):
got that and you've got a crush, you can you
can get yourself to a higher degree of care. So
when we're doing stuff like that, I believe Knowles has
a Wilderness Medicine app. There's Deployed Medicine, which is a
US military resource for field care, which can help to
remind you of stuff that you've already trained on. It's
not going to teach you to do stuff you shouldn't,
just read about it on there and use it. And
(35:26):
there's a new one called Goes Goes which literally launched
like this week, Goes Health, which it's offline to It
gives an offline data base of wilderness medicine and it
helps you kind of with diagnostic cues of stuff. So
when you do your wilderness first responder, at least when
I did it, someone must have had an ectopic pregnancy
and had a very bad outcome, because they'll they'll ask
(35:47):
you with all these questions like what could this be?
What could this be? And like they want you to
be able to know what an act topic pregnancy is
so like, but there's like a sort of flow chart
that you can follow right to help you be like
what is this is appendicitis what's going on here? So when?
Because you probably won't remember every certainly if you take
a woof of course and then two years later, you
(36:07):
know you before you recertify it, like something happens, a
lot could happen in two years, you won't have remembered
everything that you learned in your course. Right, So some
of those apps are useful, but the most important thing
the thing where you will learn to use all of
the items in this I fat is stopped the bleed
and it is free, and that is where everyone should start.
(36:28):
They're not going to teach you how to use all
the things. So if we bust open the bag that
you got Daniel quickly, it's overstuffed.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
There's a lot of things in there. Yeah wait, too
many things. I mean literally like as there is a
there is a pouch of emergency drinking water. Oh yeah,
there is there is a watch McCall it, a bright
stick like a little light stick. There is about one
hundred different kinds of watch McCall it. Like look at
(36:59):
this literal just like pile of band aids, just like
hundreds of band aids and alcohol wipes and oh there's
a whistle. A whistle is should you get lost in
the wilderness.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
This is a very handy in urban or rural dishausters,
but not for fiestat, not for this.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I don't think any of this stuff is necessarily bad.
It's just there's just way too much. There's gauze pads.
There is this ABD pad sterile extra absorbent pad yep
that you know, I don't think is going to do
what it needs to do. But there's a shit ton
of gauze in here. And there are look, you want
to talk about things to cut open. You're talking about
(37:39):
clothing scissors. These little guys are I don't think are
going to do that. No, that tape and stuff exactly
trimming tape. There's also tweezers in here. I really this
feels like for people who are in the wilderness and
they get a splinter.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yeah, yeah, and that stuff super handy to having your
truck or your car, Like motorcycle guys are only pretty good. Yes, yeah,
it's not gonna immediately stop you from dying from loss
of blood, which is more we're concerned without. If you
do ride a motorcycle. You really want to fucking have one,
Like I ride a bicycle, and I have seen some
(38:16):
motor vehicle accidents, and I'm just going to say, motorcycle
folks want to have that. Someone else can grab it
off your motorbi I can use it if you've hurt yourself.
But sure, I've seen that happen before. So yeah, that
stuff is all very handy, it's all very nice. It
can make you feel better, right, Like there's I imagine
there's a ton of viberprofen and paracetamol and benadryl. All
(38:38):
that stuff is great. That stuff's super handy, right, And
another thing I would add is some of that stuff
can be life saving if you have an allergy, right,
and you need to take something for that, Yeah, put
that in your first aid kit because that's particular to you. Right.
And if you if that's going to if you need
an EpiPen, then have your EpiPen of course, right, you know,
I'm sure you do. Anyway, if you have diabetes, have
(38:58):
your gluca garden and some Sure, all of that stuff
is of course important. But in terms of like dealing
with what we perceive to be an increased risk of
like homophobic violence, which normally manifests itself as people getting
shot in this country. Then the little scissors and their
ABD pad, the band aids aren't what we need and
(39:21):
they're just going to get in the way. So even
if you have those, great keep them in the car.
I gave tons of people band aids because they've got
blisters in twenty twenty, right, because people are not familiar
with walking that far. Their boots sucked. People decided to
wear heavy boots because they were worried. All understandable things.
It's a lot of band aids, a lot of a
lot of horseshoe plasters or of you know, like second skin. Great,
(39:44):
happy to give you one of those things. I'll keep
it in a different pocket though, right, So so I'm
not you know, sorting pats of blister plasters if someone's
been shot. And that's a good tip regardless of what
you're doing, what you even if you're doing, you know,
you're bringing more stuff and more WEP. But it's great aspirin.
I bet people need that sometimes, or iyeberprofiene if their
knees hurting from walking a lot, Great pound that shit.
(40:07):
But like, don't that's not what we want. We don't
want to be administering medicines really, certainly if we're not
trying to do so after a trauma thing, because some
of they pay medicines we might be taking might might
inhibit blood clotting, right, So we don't want to be
doing that before that person goes on too a higher
standard ca it's going to fucking suck for them. But
like you're, the best you can do is stop that
(40:30):
person dying or help someone else who's qualified to do
that by just saying, hey, I have this stuff, and
it's all pretty compact, you know, like I said, it's
it's you know, the size of a paperback book, decent
sized paperback books, something like that, and having it may
or may not be hopefully right. You just buy this
thing and it sits around for a while, and eventually,
(40:53):
if you've been having the tornicque in the sun for
years and years, you want to replace it. The UV
can cause them to decay. You can just put them
inside a pouch. I've made all kinds of pouches for them.
You can buy an expensive one on the internet, or
you can just use a piece so a piece of nylon,
which is what I do two rubber bands and put
it inside your waistband of your thing. Many many such
(41:15):
solutions exist, But yeah, I would encourage everyone. I think
I've said it's about twenty eight times to get training
and not just to just go and do this. If
you can't access that training straight away and you want
to get the stuff where you look for training, that's fine.
Just don't be doing stuff you don't know how to do,
because you know someone might confuse out for someone who
is qualified and is helping. And then if you don't
(41:37):
know what you're doing and you make a mistake, and
that that could be worse than someone. If someone comes
in and they're doing triage right, they're saying, who do
we need to treat now? Who do we need to
treat later? Who can't we help then? And they see
you doing that, Okay, that person's covered that. You want
to be sure that you're covering what you're doing. So yeah,
just make sure you get the training. We're not trying
(41:59):
to scare you into not going to things. Please don't
feel afraid. I know it's very easy to feel afraid.
That's of course the goal of you know, most of
these people, their ass is welded to their gaming chair,
and they will never actually come into the streets and
hurt you. They just stay stuff on Twitter dot com
and like, you're fine. But it's very reasonable to be prudent.
(42:22):
And certainly this is stuff I have in my truk,
I have it in my bag, I have it in
most places I go, and you know, you get used
to it. It's fine, and take it a course. And
I'm on work trips and I try and leave lots
of it with my colleagues who can't access it so
easily in other countries. So yeah, I hope that's helpful
for people. Mind. It's mind, Yeah, yeah, it is. It's
(42:44):
it's and I look, I guess just to wrap up
like you are not. I don't watch television really, Hugh Laurie,
what's Hugh Lurry's deal house? Oh house? Yeah, or like
some other super doctor, right, like you can't heal everyone.
Bad things happen, But it's just peace of mind and
(43:04):
trying to do your best to help everyone. And that's
relatively accessible and not too expensive. I think there's an
IPAC fund which gives youse away for free as well,
so cool. That's where we're looking in too. If that's
if someone can find that, they can send it to
me and I will post it. But yeah, it's a
peace of mind and it's it's not too hard to
get that training. So go out there and do that.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Wonderful.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Do it with someone you love, do it, do it
for fun, do it with your friend, make it. Do
it on a date. Yeah, find someone on Tuesday. Yeah, yeah,
do it. Let us know how that goes.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Hey, what's your favorite color? So what are you doing
this weekend? Wanted to a stop the bleed course.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
I think that's very sexy, Ei one hundred percent be
into that exactly. Yeah, please don't DM me with potential
still the bleeping no jams, No, no, don't do it.
But yeah, hopefully that helps people. Wonderful.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Well, James, thank you so much for this awesome information.
It's been an absolute pleasure being on the show with you.
And we'll post links in the chat or post sorry,
post link the chat that we have. Gosh, exactly that
that's that's my twitch shit coming through. Will post links
in the description of the episode, and yeah, I look
(44:21):
forward to doing this again with you.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Yeah, Daniel, talking of your twitch shit, where can people
find you twitch? Shit.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
They don't need to find me anywhere, but if you
want to find me, you can twitch your address, TV,
slash Twitch dot tv, slash DJ Underscore Daniel d A
n L. And if you want to come ask me
what Robert smells like. I will not ban you, but
I will time you out for ten minutes, so you know,
just you know, know that I'm happy to have whoever
wants to come watch the watch the twitch stream, but
(44:47):
I'm not going to answer any weird questions about my coworkers.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
As you should be. Thank you Daniel, Thank you James.
It Could Happen here as a production of cool Zone Media.
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