July 24, 2025 • 30 mins
Robert, Gare, James and Mia discuss new revelations about Trump's relation to Jeffrey Epstein and how the Epstein Files have fractured Trump's base.
Sources:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/23/donald-trump-accuser-stacey-williams-jeffrey-epstein
https://apnews.com/article/trump-rape-carroll-trial-fe68259a4b98bb3947d42af9ec83d7db
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna218693
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/70843413/trump-v-murdoch/
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Also media.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Pedophile is a correct pronunciation going into this.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Just for and that's the sentence we're starting the episode with,
Welcome to It could happen here a podcast where we
teach you how to pronounce the word pedophile or pedophile
or pedophily your Greek. You know, that's not how the
Greeks say it. Welcome to the show. We're talking about
(00:33):
some breaking news about friend of the pod, Carly Rae Jepstein.
A joke I did on the Behind the Bastards episodes
about Epstein that nobody liked.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Least of all the lawyers.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I don't like that either.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
It wasn't even really a joke, just something I shouldn't
have said.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Yeah, so this is all.
Speaker 6 (00:51):
Barely breaking news because this is stuff that we've known
about for like ever.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
None of this is a mystery. We're not going to
be blowing any minds here that Jeffrey Epstein sexually trafficked
and molested children, or that Donald Trump probably did as well,
or well, he didn't do the trafficking, but you know
he was a party to it, yeah, allegedly, you know,
being alleged by a lot of people. Rupert Murdoch one
of them who is currently being sued for ten million
(01:17):
dollars in his capacity as owner of The Wall Street Journal.
So on July seventeenth, twenty twenty five, at six forty
five pm Eastern Standard time, The Wall Street Journal published
an article with the title Jeffrey Epstein's friends sent him
body letters for a fiftieth birthday album. One was from
Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Body is one way to describe it.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Bondy is one way to describe it.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
Yes, Yes, indeed, it's really good to see a leftist
outlet like Wall Street Journal take this thing head on.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Ye finally, Yes, you know, I've had my issues with them,
you know, being hardline Marxists as they are. That doesn't
fully del with my own beliefs, but you have to
respect them in this instance. You know, I'm not as
much of a Stalinist as the Wall Street Journal famed Stalinists.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
That's why they've counseled us, because they're two.
Speaker 7 (02:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
The Little Red Book published by the Wall Street Journal,
Big malfansmphlets imprint.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
They've history would absolve me. Yeah, got a little Red Book.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah yeah, They've got a beautiful leather bound edition of
Ted Kaczinski's manifesto. Speaking of letter bound editions Gillan Maxwell.
I think this initially came out because it was a
Spanish like small scale publisher that published that put out
this like leather bound book for Gillan for to give
to Jeffrey and god do I want to see the
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whole copy because I am curious to who else submitted letters.
But during the FBI investigation and everything around Epstein, this
was found and it got leaked out to the Wall
Street Journal. I think the New York Times has now
seen it, so they're not the only people who have
seen it. So you've got a piece of paper and
there is a drawing that may or may not have
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been done by Trump, but alleged by some to have
been done by Trump, although he denies this, having said
that he has never written a picture in his life.
But it's like a silhouette of a naked woman. And
then Donald Trump's signature where pubic hare would be right,
classy man, Yeah, our current our president.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah he had the guy with the nuclear codes.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Yeah, great stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
And then the actual text on the letter is written
in the form of like a dialogue, right, So it's
like written as like a fake script of a conversation
between Trump and Epstein voiceover, there must be more to
life than having everything. Donald, Yes, there is, but I
won't tell you what it is, Jeffrey, Nor will I
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since I also know what it is.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Donald.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
We have certain things in common, Jeffrey. Jeffrey, yes, we do,
come to think of it, Donald Enigma's never age. Have
you noticed that, Jeffrey. As a matter of fact, it
was clear to me the last time I saw you
Trump a pal, A wonderful thing. Happy birthday, and may
every day be another wonderful secret.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
The thing I need a listener to understand about this episode, right,
That is not the most incriminating thing Donald Trump is
going to say in this episode.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
It's not even close to it, although it is. It
is very funny. This could hardly be more directive. The
letter was just Jeffrey, I love being a pedophile with
you love Donald Trump?
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Right, Like that's less.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Direct yet he has gone further, but like he's just
saying it.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
So the Wall Street Journal publishes this, and they publish
this with like the least bit of editorializing that they can, right,
They're being very careful with this. Trump loses his fucking
mind and this is obviously coming on the heels. I
probably should have started with this important context. This is
coming on the heels of Pambondi and the Justice Department
announcing actually everything's cool, and we're like not gonna be
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dropping any more info on Epstein. There's no client list
or anything after Bondi hit earlier this year, and like,
I have the Epstein client list on my desk, and
they handed out the Epstein papers, you know, release one
these like big binders that fucking the limbs of TikTok
Lady and Jack Pasobaic and a munch of other right
wing influencers will walked out of the White House with
these big binders being like, Aha, we've got it. We've
(05:15):
got all the files that are gonna put all the
dims behind jail. And then a couple months later, Bondi
and the DJ is like, actually, there's nothing else to
tell anybody.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
We've got nothing.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
There's nothing interesting at all about Epstein. So then this
shit comes out, right, it gets leaked from someone, presumably
someone within the FBI right. I think that's what we're
left to assume at this point, because this was revealed
as a part of their investigation. Right, this is some
of the stuff that was confiscated, you know when Gilan
Maxwell got taken into custody. Okay, so a couple of
things have happened since then. For one thing, Trump is
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suing the Wall Street Journal for I believe at least
twenty billion dollars. This lawsuit was launched in a federal
court in Miami. Trump said Entree's social The lawsuits filed
not only in behalf of your favorite president, all caps me,
but in order to continue standing up for all Americans
wh will no longer the abusive wrongdoings of the fake
news media. So this is what Trump is claiming. Obviously,
(06:04):
Trump denies any wrongdoing, denies anything but kind of lightly
knowing Jeffrey Epstein. And for some context, Trump and Epstein
have been seen together numerous times. There are pictures and
videos of them both together. Trump talked about in interviews,
including one with New York Magazine where he said, like me,
Jeffrey's known to really like women, and some of them
are on the younger side. Right, He's been saying shit
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like this for years.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Quote. I've known Jeffer fifteen years.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with.
Demon said he likes beautiful women as much as I do,
and many of them are on the younger side, no
doubt about it. Jeffrey enjoys his social life. Two thousand
and two, we know.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
They were friends. The information suggests that I think it's
around two thousand and five or six, they had a
falling out over a real estate deal.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
With the real estate deal and one alleged incident at
mar A Lago, Yes where Jeffrey was acting quote unquote
inappropriately to a daughter of a member of the club
and then Trump barrowd him from the club. Trump has
claimed this multiple times through the years. Between this and
the real estate deal that's led to their falling out.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
There's other stories. There's one I've heard that Epstein got
really angry because Trump was physically like touching one of
Epstein's girlfriends, like one of his actual like partner girlfriends,
and that he got angry over that. We don't know,
but we do know that they were seen socially together
and talked about being friends for quite a while.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
They were neighbors, and they were like socialites both in
New York and in Frorida.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, for a while from the eighties up through the
early two thousands, right now. Trump has denied sending this letter.
He said that this doesn't sound like me. He wrote
on truth Social I don't draw pictures.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Now that was a lot.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
This has sparked one of my favorite investigatory cycles. The
New York Times published an article right after this post
that says Trump says he doesn't draw pictures, but many
of his sketches sold at auction, and it's like photos
of a bunch of and to be fair, none of
these are sketches of naked women. But there's a crude
black marker drawing of the Empire State.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Building, a lot of city skylines.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Allegedly the drawing of the woman was drawn in black marker, right,
And they're noting that he did a lot of black
marker drawings, right.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
He signs his bills in shoppy, doesn't He.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Signs his bills in sharpie, And that he has a
signature that does kind of look like pubic hair. Right,
if you were to like draw a crude set of genitalia,
Donald Trump's signature could stand in for pubic hare, right,
Like the way that he signs this signature, that's one
way you could interpret it.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
It's also worth noting and I think this is actually
really important. When he signs this, right, he signs it
like like on this picture of like the Empire State Building. Right,
it's a really shitty drawing the Umpire State Building. His
signature is like right next to the building. If you're
drawing a picture of a naked woman and you shift it,
like if the.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Empire State Building was sitting down in like an L
shape and had mubiccare. That's where the signature right, fe.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Like it's everything is exactly the same it was.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
The Sanpire State Building had pubic care.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
There's also a drawing that he did. It's called the
money Tree drawing. It looks like if the giving tree
was filled with dollars. Then again, the signature kind of
looks like pubic hair.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
So Trump's a.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Little artist, just got like but a since underneath the
money tree to meditate like it's his alternative.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
Trump did like yearly drawings and doodles for like charity auctions,
and that's what most of these are from.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
And to be fair, a lot of US presidents have
been doodlers, you know. Ike our former president doodled himself
with huge muscles during a meeting talking about the overthrow
of Guatemala by the.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
Same Chad's so funny.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
It's so funny.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I mean, so many people died a horrible deaths, but
it's really pretty funny.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Chad Eisenhower.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Just shredded entire indigitous civilizations, wipe off the face of
the earth forever, Like.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Look at Chad Eisenhower.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
God, if you have a Chad eise In how a tattoo,
please submit it to uh Sophie on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
She right, Okay, Look I feel confident saying iHeartRadio will
pay for anyone's tattoo. If you want to get Chad Eisenhower,
as long as it's a facial tattoo, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, you can get it in that uv ink that
doing tattoos in that in the club people beautiful stuff,
triggering stampede from the dooms. Fill.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah, you're gonna cause another one of those fucking Jersey
nightclub fires that killed one and twenty people. It's not funny.
A lot of people died anyway. There was also another
God I should have it up here, but it's another
investigation into like does the writing that Trump did sound
like his other writing? And they found that number one
Trump has a number of times in the past put
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out writing in the form of a hypothetical script between
other people. That is a thing he's done in the past.
And then multiple phrases that were used in this letter
are phrases he has used in the past, in some
cases multiple times.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Except some of the Mega Investigators were able to use
Grog to ask if Trump ever used the word enigma before,
and Grok said no, So we closed that case. Never
mind the fact that he said it on the campaign
trail in twenty sixteen, and he said multiple times in
his best selling.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Book No Evidence. He wrote that book he loves the word.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Well, I'm not gonna say he loves it, but he's
used the word enigma before. Right, he described Ben Carson
as an enigma. He's described Dan Rather as an enigma.
So maybe he and Epstein were both fucking Dan Rather.
Is that possible. I'm gonna say yes.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I think you should also be impeached for that.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I'm sorry, I have just discovered talking of Grook, I'm
reading the Trump versus murderc lawsuit, which describe Eggs dot
Com as quote the Internet's watering hole. What no, sorry, no, yeah,
no longer the everything website.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
The watering hole. What are you doing? What is wrong
with you? People?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Fucking jump off a bridge, you stupid sons.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Bitious.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
It is interesting you still really met at Elon because
Elon is also one of the originators of this current
wave of like Epstein focus.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
And it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
After the letter came out, Elon was just like, obviously
a fake. Obviously, I think he's scared. I think some
g men showed up at his door and were like,
this is a nice life you've got, fucking Elon Musk.
It would be a shame of a hell fire missile,
hit your house, hit your fucking compound with all of
your wives.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
But the thing is, and this is the fun part
about this is like it doesn't matter what Elon says now,
like he already opened the floodgates and that the games
are fucking open now.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Like no, no, no, do you.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Know what else the gates are open from?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah, is our advertisers and we're back. So this is
the gist of the situation. Now this letter is out,
and a lot of people, even I was, and I
still am to some extent, kind of there's been so
many ops. This has to be it for old Donnie Trump.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Loved his way out of this one.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Nitny wiggles his fucking way out right, you know that said,
this does seem to be pissing off a lot of
his more diehard people, right, including fucking the Dilbert guy.
We don't need to give any name besides the Dilbert guy,
but the Dilbert Guy's pissed about this. A lot of
people who have been like really religious Trump supporters are
pissed as a result of this.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yep, Sean Ryan the right pissed about this.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Even Speaker of the House Mike Johnson has been more
Trump critical the past week and has given interviews to
another mega influencer turned soft Trump critic, now Benny Johnson,
about how Trump handled this so poorly. A lot of
them are trying to make this down into like a
messaging fail or like a rhetoric fumble, which obviously it's
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so much more substantial than that. But cracks are forming
in a way that we haven't really seen for his
bass in a long time.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
And the thing I think is really important about this
is that, Okay, so this is going history mode. If
you look at a thing that has been studied by
an enormous amount by the left and I think studied
mostly wrong, which is how did the Bolsheviks actually take
power in nineteen seventeen. And the answer is that when
they came for Kerensky in the October Revolution, everyone stayed home.
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Everyone looked at Kerensky and was like, I'm not dying
for that dip shit, like fuck them, Like if there's
like dueling machine gun companies in the street, i am
not going to go die for Alexander Kerensky. And that's
all they won because everyone stayed home. And that's the
thing with Trump, right. The thing that's important about this
is that the way that Trump can be defeated is
if enough of his base just stays the fuck home.
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Whenever the sort of terminal crisis hits and every single
thing we get like this, we're more and more of
his base.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Is like, well, I mean I could.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Go face down a machine gun line for this guy,
but he did piss me off by Epstein, So like
fuck that. The more that happens, the better it is
for all of us. Whenever the confrontations start to emerge.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, I think in general just the more so much
of the modern right is built on the Epstein stuff,
and a lot of it is a myth, Right, there's
a mythical idea that Epstein is trafficking small children and
he's not. He was trafficking teenage girls, because that's what
mostly rich adult men want to fuck, right, That's just
the reality of the situation.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Including famously Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Yeah, he has like said this before, and you can
look at the many court cases that have often been
solved out of.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Court alleged by him.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
And like, there's this clip of the Howard Stern Show
from the mid two thousands, which is kind of an
endless source of men saying horrible things.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I will include this clip here.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Thing about four year olds.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Oh, absolutely, would you do it? I have no problem? Yeah,
do you have any age limit or would you no? No,
I have no age.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
I mean I have an age.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I don't want to be like twelve year old. Can
I make a prediction for you, good lord?
Speaker 6 (15:52):
This is the incorrect response to this question. Yeah, this
question has a very clearly like cut off point, which
even still is a little bit iffy. But this is
absolutely the wrong answer. The answer is not twelve years old.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
This is that is marity.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Legally the wrong answer.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Man.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
You know, one of the things I think it's also
really important about this is looking at this in the
context of Trump's unbelievable number of sexual assault allegations, and
we're going to get into that in a second, but
first we need to ask the question, Okay, has Donald
Trump ever intentionally looked at the naked body of an
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underage girl? And in order to figure out the answer
to this, I am going to turn to the man himself,
Donald Trump, talking about walking into the changing rooms of
teen Miss USA pageants and I quote, you know, no
men are anywhere, and I'm allowed to go in because
I'm the owner of the pageant, and therefore I'm inspecting
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it is everyone. Okay, you know they're standing there with
no clothes, and you see these incredible looking women, and
I sort of get away with things like that. Now,
that is our President, Donald J. Trump saying that he
walks into changing rooms and looks at the bodies of
naked underage girls and says that they are end like
quotes incredible looking women.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
I remember when this quote was going around, like maybe
ten years ago.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Yeah, and then just no one know.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
No, it's gone into the memory hole now.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, disappear right, Like, there's so much of this shit.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Like the Access Hollywood tape.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
But like yeah, and I think it's actually worth like
looking at this. There's another quote from Vox where they
say this is an incident of like Trump walking in
on a changing room like of again like naked underage girls.
Quote Billottel told Buzzfeeds. She mentioned the incident to Trump's
daughter Avonka, who shrugged it off, saying, quote, yeah he
does that, so like yeah, like this is multiple people
cooperating that he just like walks into the changing rooms
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of naked underage girls and like looks at their bodies.
Right now, I will call that pedophile shit, right Like,
I don't know if he wants to sue me for
one billion dollars, please don't.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
But like sounds like he's alleging a pedophile.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
He's the one who said this, so like, you know,
and it's worth noting. Also, last year a jury did
rule that Trump had sexually assaulted an advice columnist named
em J. Carroll, and he had to pay her like
five million dollars. There's also again the like grab him
by the pussy thing, which is him just talking about
sexually assaulting women, which he does constantly. He kept on
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just like walking up to like people at his pageants
and just kissing him without their consent, which is again
sexual assault and directly tied to the Epstein case. We
have an allegation by former model Stacy Williams, which for
some reason, I don't know why everyone has suddenly forgotten
about this, who alleged that she was introduced to Trump
by Epstein, who like walked her to Trump Tower to
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meet Donald Trump, where he then sexually assaulted her like
in front of Epstein.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Yeah, in Trump Tower.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
This was also included in a list The New York
Times put together a few days ago on like Trump
and Epstein's friendship. Quote one of the young women who
later said mister Epstein groomed in abuse, was recruited into
his world while working as a spot in an at
mar a Lago. Another accuser recalled being eyed by Trump
during a brief encounter in mister Epstein's office and claimed
that mister Epstein told Trump at the time, quote, She's
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not for you, so like.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
He just like says this shit, right. And I think
this is, you know, part of the problem that we've
been sort of getting it here, right, which is that
like the conservative mythos about Epstein is that it's like
four year olds, right, And it's like, no, Epstein was
doing the shit that Donald Trump talks about doing, right,
But because it's like attached to Epstein, right, Like Trump
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doesn't want to admit that he's been doing this, even
though he's been admitting that he's been doing this for
decades and decades and decades. It's harder for the Conservatives
to deal with this because like all of these people
think the child marriage should be legal and that creeping
on like fifteen year olds isn't pedophilia.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
It's not hard for them to deal with this because
they don't have a fucking problem with it.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Like Matt Wallash's talking about how like seventeen year olds
are the most fertile. So yeah, this is very common
among certain aspects of like this, like evangelically.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Agains that's a major thing on the right to fight
for it to be legal to marry fourteen year old girls,
you know, as all as their parents say yes.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
And you could look at this from a conspiracy productive
and be like, okay, like is there a ruling cabal
of pedophiles I control the United States? And it's like, well, yeah,
it's the Baptists and like the systematic cover up of
this shit by the Catholic Church. Right, it's Epstein, Yeah,
but it's also like Trump admitting that he's like again
perving on like doing pedophiles shit, but like walking in
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on these changing rooms of these fucking girls. He's just
like admitting this on TV, right.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
And I think like the current thing that Trump's trying
to do is make this Epstein thing another one of
the many lines of attack against him throughout the years,
and he's done a really good job at deflecting some
things that have some actual like serious data on had
some serious investigations and like there was aspects of like
Russian interference in the twenty sixteen election. It may not
have changed the outcome of the election in a substantial manner,
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but this is something that the FBI like legitimately investigated
and like real findings of, and he was able to
just completely like rewrite what that investigation was into this
like completely like astroturfed and like orchestrated hoax. And now
it's like one of the main things that he talks about.
And whenever there's new things that people bring up about
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why Trump is bad, he just compares it to the
Russia hoax. Everything's just just like the Russia hoax. This
is just another Democrat hoax against me. And this has
been such an effective way for him to diffuse so
many lines of attack against him. It's by just repeating
long enough and often enough that it's just a baseless hoax.
And he can do this anytime, and he'll replace like, oh,
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you know, this is a hoax, but you know when
Hunter Biden does stuff, that's the real thing that the
Democrats then try to.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Cover up Hunter's laptop.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
They talk about Hunter's laptop so many times, something that
does not matter. But like, this is the trend that
he's been able to do. And eventually journalists and media
get tired of having to repeat the same thing over
and over again, explaining that these things are not baseless
hoaxes but are legitimate investigations, legitimate concerns, and people just
get tired of it. And he's able to like warp
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reality around things that he says. And this is the
thing he's currently trying to do with Epstein. This is
why he's calling it the Epstein hoax, using the same
rhetoric that he used around all of the Russia stuff
around the twenty twenty election, around Hunter Biden's laptop, and
it's going to tire people out. And you can already
kind of feel some of this like iteration of it
losing some steam, and like I thought the Wall Street
(22:29):
Journal piece would like invigorate people's discussion of like Trump's,
you know, alleged pedophilia, and I think it's I don't know,
at least in like observing the online ecosystem, immediate ecosystem
the last few days. I don't know if Trump's strategy
is working, but it is growing stagnant and that's just
kind of the pace of the Internet sometimes. But if
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he's able to keep doing what he's currently doing, I'm
not sure if this stuff's going to really matter in
two months beyond, you know, whatever comes out in discovery
for the like Murdoch law suit, we should maybe.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Explain who Murdoch is. Just Murdoch Murdoch is.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
He's a leftist revolutionary.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, that's going to say, member of the Communist Party.
Murdoch is an Australian tabloid magnate who owns the tabloid press.
More or less. At some point in time, he has
probably owned most of the tabloid press in the English
language almost all around the world.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
He owns The Sun in the UK, also The Times
in Australia. He owns a Daily Sun and Deai Telegraph.
In the US, he owns in Wall Street Journal and
the New York Post. He also owns Sky News, which
broadcast like in the UK, he owns Fox News. He
used to own people in the UK, remember the News
of the World. He owns a massive amount of the
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tabloid and I guess the broadsheet press now. But he
has historically been very right wing right. It's fair to
say that Murdoch outlets have boost Trum enormously in his
assent to office. However, now it appears they have fallen out,
and like that is significant. I think it is significant
that this guy who has played a huge role in
(24:11):
Trump's like, we don't have the sort of liberal Walter
Cronkite anymore, right, like the person who can change their
mind on something and take the nation with them in
the way that the Kronkite had a role in doing
at least in the Vietnam War. The boomer and gen
x conservative people still have that in Fox News, right,
like Fox News can because it's like the constant background
(24:32):
noise in people's lives in so much of this country.
It can take people with it. And the fact that
Trump has gone after Murdoch, I think that is potentially
if they're falling out continues, that is potentially the most
damaging part of this for him.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I want to read a quote. I think I've talked
about this on the show before, but Murdoch's role in
doing the sort of reality shaping stuff for Trump until
now and Garrison we were talking about about how Trump
is able to sort of create his own reality. I
want to read this quote from the Bush administration that's
very famous, which is like the reality based community quote,
(25:07):
because the neo cons were trying to do the same thing, right.
There's a very famous quote from the Bush administration which
is attributed to a journalist named Ron Suttzkind, and he's
doing an interview with like a Bush Administration aid, and
I'm just going to quote fromit. The aid said that
guys like me were quote in what we call the
reality based community, which he defined as people who quote
(25:30):
believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.
That's not the way the world really works anymore. He continued,
We're an empire now, and when we act, we create
our own reality. And while you're studying reality judiciously, as
you will will act again, creating other new realities which
you can study too, And that's how things will sort out.
(25:52):
Were history's actors, and you, all of you will just
be left to study what we do. And that's you know,
a lot of a Trump isn't too right, which is like, yeah,
I know all of you people are trying to like
describe reality. I'm just simply going to change it by
saying shit right and doing shit.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
And like all he has to do is like diffuse
the possible damage that this Epstein thing can do to
his base. Like he does not care about the other
half of the country at all. He knows that they
hate him, that does not matter. All he has to
do is create enough of a doubt in the mind
of the base that this thing isn't real. There's no
proof that this Wall Street Journal story is real. This
(26:27):
is all a hoax. The Epstein files were written by Obama,
even though the second Epstein investigation was kicked off when
he was president in twenty nineteen, but all these files
were written by.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
My own garrison. I think it's bold of you to
say that Trump was president in twenty nineteen. That's very
much up for.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Different controversial claim now about who was president in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, certainly, like who was president in twenty twenty is
something that the country now disagrees about.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
The thing I want to say about this though, right,
is the neocons believe they could do this. Right, the
neocons believe they had seized the range of empire and
they could forever shape you each other will, and they
couldn't this quote from two thousand and four, Right, the
neocons tried to do this, and they invaded a rock,
and they thought they could just fucking will like empire,
like we create reality. I thought they could just turn
a rock into their own personal playground, and it destroyed them.
(27:16):
Like where are the neocons now?
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Like some of them are obviously the Trump administration, but
like this is not a neocons.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Some of them are now in the anti trump ver
side of this.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, many of them are in the Lincoln Project.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
The thing is, right, the neocons are, like, they don't
they do not rule the empire anymore. Right, that's Trump.
These people they ran into a piece of reality that
they tried to devour and consume and replace, and it
destroyed them. And I don't know if this is that
for Trump, but.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
I yeah, I don't know. I'm not that optimistic.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
But like the last time that someone tried to do
this using the American state, they eventually hit a thing
they couldn't swallow and it completely annihilated them. And that's
the goal with us, right, Like we have to like
find the thing where enough of the coalition is peeled
off and where it just completely blows up in their
fucking face. And hopefully it's not like the Iraq War
(28:06):
three or something. But this ability to warp reality purely
by like thought and speech and action of empire like
has its limits, and we've seen them be destroyed before.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, it took a lot of people dying into the
first time, That's what.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
It was horrible, Right, It's not easy to stop these people.
But you know, like, where the fuck is George Bush
right now?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, he's doing a painting, Yeah, yeah, on his foreign painting,
But he's not running the fucking country, not as far.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
He's like ten miles away from where I used to live.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
It down.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
God, he's at Robber's house.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Yeah, I don't know what else we got to say
about our old friend Jepstein.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I guess the one last thing that I have to
say is I actually do think that, Like, look, if
the thing that you've decided to do is you want
to wage information warfare, like just continuing to spread this
shit and like seating it in random right wing things
is probably a fun thing to do with your I'm
it could work.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Who knows it can't hurt?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yeah, I mean it could, but probably won't. What really
could hurt right now? Given where we are, this.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Is like the biggest chink in the maga Ama that
we've seen. Like he's lost more people over this than
tearing families apart with masked and identified men with guns.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
People are fine with that, James.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Unforty lots of them think it's cool.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
But someone them don't.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
And that's going to be our interview tomorrow or maybe yesterday.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
The whole country is governed by qan on logic. Now,
this is the only thing that truly gets Americans upset anymore,
as like an entire political block. Yeah, this is it,
Like QAnon as a cohesive conspiracy doesn't really exist anymore,
but its logic has perforated every aspect of America, Democrats
(29:48):
and Republicans included. Now and that's the real people that's
like survived, survived the past ten years of politics. Is
like the logic of QAnon.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
It's the the only thing that matters.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
It cannot be killed anymore.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Pedophile is a correct pronunciation going into this.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Just for and that's the sentence we're starting the episode with,
Welcome to It could happen here a podcast where we
teach you how to pronounce the word pedophile or pedophile
or pedophily your Greek. You know, that's not how the
Greeks say it. Welcome to the show. We're talking about
(00:33):
some breaking news about friend of the pod, Carly Rae Jepstein.
A joke I did on the Behind the Bastards episodes
about Epstein that nobody liked.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Least of all the lawyers.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I don't like that either.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
It wasn't even really a joke, just something I shouldn't
have said.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Yeah, so this is all.
Speaker 6 (00:51):
Barely breaking news because this is stuff that we've known
about for like ever.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
None of this is a mystery. We're not going to
be blowing any minds here that Jeffrey Epstein sexually trafficked
and molested children, or that Donald Trump probably did as well,
or well, he didn't do the trafficking, but you know
he was a party to it, yeah, allegedly, you know,
being alleged by a lot of people. Rupert Murdoch one
of them who is currently being sued for ten million
(01:17):
dollars in his capacity as owner of The Wall Street Journal.
So on July seventeenth, twenty twenty five, at six forty
five pm Eastern Standard time, The Wall Street Journal published
an article with the title Jeffrey Epstein's friends sent him
body letters for a fiftieth birthday album. One was from
Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Body is one way to describe it.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Bondy is one way to describe it.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
Yes, Yes, indeed, it's really good to see a leftist
outlet like Wall Street Journal take this thing head on.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Ye finally, Yes, you know, I've had my issues with them,
you know, being hardline Marxists as they are. That doesn't
fully del with my own beliefs, but you have to
respect them in this instance. You know, I'm not as
much of a Stalinist as the Wall Street Journal famed Stalinists.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
That's why they've counseled us, because they're two.
Speaker 7 (02:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
The Little Red Book published by the Wall Street Journal,
Big malfansmphlets imprint.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
They've history would absolve me. Yeah, got a little Red Book.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah yeah, They've got a beautiful leather bound edition of
Ted Kaczinski's manifesto. Speaking of letter bound editions Gillan Maxwell.
I think this initially came out because it was a
Spanish like small scale publisher that published that put out
this like leather bound book for Gillan for to give
to Jeffrey and god do I want to see the
(02:38):
whole copy because I am curious to who else submitted letters.
But during the FBI investigation and everything around Epstein, this
was found and it got leaked out to the Wall
Street Journal. I think the New York Times has now
seen it, so they're not the only people who have
seen it. So you've got a piece of paper and
there is a drawing that may or may not have
(02:58):
been done by Trump, but alleged by some to have
been done by Trump, although he denies this, having said
that he has never written a picture in his life.
But it's like a silhouette of a naked woman. And
then Donald Trump's signature where pubic hare would be right,
classy man, Yeah, our current our president.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah he had the guy with the nuclear codes.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Yeah, great stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
And then the actual text on the letter is written
in the form of like a dialogue, right, So it's
like written as like a fake script of a conversation
between Trump and Epstein voiceover, there must be more to
life than having everything. Donald, Yes, there is, but I
won't tell you what it is, Jeffrey, Nor will I
(03:44):
since I also know what it is.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Donald.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
We have certain things in common, Jeffrey. Jeffrey, yes, we do,
come to think of it, Donald Enigma's never age. Have
you noticed that, Jeffrey. As a matter of fact, it
was clear to me the last time I saw you
Trump a pal, A wonderful thing. Happy birthday, and may
every day be another wonderful secret.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
The thing I need a listener to understand about this episode, right,
That is not the most incriminating thing Donald Trump is
going to say in this episode.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
It's not even close to it, although it is. It
is very funny. This could hardly be more directive. The
letter was just Jeffrey, I love being a pedophile with
you love Donald Trump?
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Right, Like that's less.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Direct yet he has gone further, but like he's just
saying it.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
So the Wall Street Journal publishes this, and they publish
this with like the least bit of editorializing that they can, right,
They're being very careful with this. Trump loses his fucking
mind and this is obviously coming on the heels. I
probably should have started with this important context. This is
coming on the heels of Pambondi and the Justice Department
announcing actually everything's cool, and we're like not gonna be
(04:54):
dropping any more info on Epstein. There's no client list
or anything after Bondi hit earlier this year, and like,
I have the Epstein client list on my desk, and
they handed out the Epstein papers, you know, release one
these like big binders that fucking the limbs of TikTok
Lady and Jack Pasobaic and a munch of other right
wing influencers will walked out of the White House with
these big binders being like, Aha, we've got it. We've
(05:15):
got all the files that are gonna put all the
dims behind jail. And then a couple months later, Bondi
and the DJ is like, actually, there's nothing else to
tell anybody.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
We've got nothing.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
There's nothing interesting at all about Epstein. So then this
shit comes out, right, it gets leaked from someone, presumably
someone within the FBI right. I think that's what we're
left to assume at this point, because this was revealed
as a part of their investigation. Right, this is some
of the stuff that was confiscated, you know when Gilan
Maxwell got taken into custody. Okay, so a couple of
things have happened since then. For one thing, Trump is
(05:43):
suing the Wall Street Journal for I believe at least
twenty billion dollars. This lawsuit was launched in a federal
court in Miami. Trump said Entree's social The lawsuits filed
not only in behalf of your favorite president, all caps me,
but in order to continue standing up for all Americans
wh will no longer the abusive wrongdoings of the fake
news media. So this is what Trump is claiming. Obviously,
(06:04):
Trump denies any wrongdoing, denies anything but kind of lightly
knowing Jeffrey Epstein. And for some context, Trump and Epstein
have been seen together numerous times. There are pictures and
videos of them both together. Trump talked about in interviews,
including one with New York Magazine where he said, like me,
Jeffrey's known to really like women, and some of them
are on the younger side. Right, He's been saying shit
(06:26):
like this for years.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Quote. I've known Jeffer fifteen years.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with.
Demon said he likes beautiful women as much as I do,
and many of them are on the younger side, no
doubt about it. Jeffrey enjoys his social life. Two thousand
and two, we know.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
They were friends. The information suggests that I think it's
around two thousand and five or six, they had a
falling out over a real estate deal.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
With the real estate deal and one alleged incident at
mar A Lago, Yes where Jeffrey was acting quote unquote
inappropriately to a daughter of a member of the club
and then Trump barrowd him from the club. Trump has
claimed this multiple times through the years. Between this and
the real estate deal that's led to their falling out.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
There's other stories. There's one I've heard that Epstein got
really angry because Trump was physically like touching one of
Epstein's girlfriends, like one of his actual like partner girlfriends,
and that he got angry over that. We don't know,
but we do know that they were seen socially together
and talked about being friends for quite a while.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
They were neighbors, and they were like socialites both in
New York and in Frorida.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, for a while from the eighties up through the
early two thousands, right now. Trump has denied sending this letter.
He said that this doesn't sound like me. He wrote
on truth Social I don't draw pictures.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Now that was a lot.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
This has sparked one of my favorite investigatory cycles. The
New York Times published an article right after this post
that says Trump says he doesn't draw pictures, but many
of his sketches sold at auction, and it's like photos
of a bunch of and to be fair, none of
these are sketches of naked women. But there's a crude
black marker drawing of the Empire State.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Building, a lot of city skylines.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Allegedly the drawing of the woman was drawn in black marker, right,
And they're noting that he did a lot of black
marker drawings, right.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
He signs his bills in shoppy, doesn't He.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Signs his bills in sharpie, And that he has a
signature that does kind of look like pubic hair. Right,
if you were to like draw a crude set of genitalia,
Donald Trump's signature could stand in for pubic hare, right,
Like the way that he signs this signature, that's one
way you could interpret it.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
It's also worth noting and I think this is actually
really important. When he signs this, right, he signs it
like like on this picture of like the Empire State Building. Right,
it's a really shitty drawing the Umpire State Building. His
signature is like right next to the building. If you're
drawing a picture of a naked woman and you shift it,
like if the.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Empire State Building was sitting down in like an L
shape and had mubiccare. That's where the signature right, fe.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Like it's everything is exactly the same it was.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
The Sanpire State Building had pubic care.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
There's also a drawing that he did. It's called the
money Tree drawing. It looks like if the giving tree
was filled with dollars. Then again, the signature kind of
looks like pubic hair.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
So Trump's a.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Little artist, just got like but a since underneath the
money tree to meditate like it's his alternative.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
Trump did like yearly drawings and doodles for like charity auctions,
and that's what most of these are from.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
And to be fair, a lot of US presidents have
been doodlers, you know. Ike our former president doodled himself
with huge muscles during a meeting talking about the overthrow
of Guatemala by the.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
Same Chad's so funny.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
It's so funny.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I mean, so many people died a horrible deaths, but
it's really pretty funny.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Chad Eisenhower.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Just shredded entire indigitous civilizations, wipe off the face of
the earth forever, Like.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Look at Chad Eisenhower.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
God, if you have a Chad eise In how a tattoo,
please submit it to uh Sophie on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
She right, Okay, Look I feel confident saying iHeartRadio will
pay for anyone's tattoo. If you want to get Chad Eisenhower,
as long as it's a facial tattoo, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, you can get it in that uv ink that
doing tattoos in that in the club people beautiful stuff,
triggering stampede from the dooms. Fill.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah, you're gonna cause another one of those fucking Jersey
nightclub fires that killed one and twenty people. It's not funny.
A lot of people died anyway. There was also another
God I should have it up here, but it's another
investigation into like does the writing that Trump did sound
like his other writing? And they found that number one
Trump has a number of times in the past put
(10:46):
out writing in the form of a hypothetical script between
other people. That is a thing he's done in the past.
And then multiple phrases that were used in this letter
are phrases he has used in the past, in some
cases multiple times.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Except some of the Mega Investigators were able to use
Grog to ask if Trump ever used the word enigma before,
and Grok said no, So we closed that case. Never
mind the fact that he said it on the campaign
trail in twenty sixteen, and he said multiple times in
his best selling.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Book No Evidence. He wrote that book he loves the word.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Well, I'm not gonna say he loves it, but he's
used the word enigma before. Right, he described Ben Carson
as an enigma. He's described Dan Rather as an enigma.
So maybe he and Epstein were both fucking Dan Rather.
Is that possible. I'm gonna say yes.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I think you should also be impeached for that.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I'm sorry, I have just discovered talking of Grook, I'm
reading the Trump versus murderc lawsuit, which describe Eggs dot
Com as quote the Internet's watering hole. What no, sorry, no, yeah,
no longer the everything website.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
The watering hole. What are you doing? What is wrong
with you? People?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Fucking jump off a bridge, you stupid sons.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Bitious.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
It is interesting you still really met at Elon because
Elon is also one of the originators of this current
wave of like Epstein focus.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
And it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
After the letter came out, Elon was just like, obviously
a fake. Obviously, I think he's scared. I think some
g men showed up at his door and were like,
this is a nice life you've got, fucking Elon Musk.
It would be a shame of a hell fire missile,
hit your house, hit your fucking compound with all of
your wives.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
But the thing is, and this is the fun part
about this is like it doesn't matter what Elon says now,
like he already opened the floodgates and that the games
are fucking open now.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Like no, no, no, do you.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Know what else the gates are open from?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Yeah, is our advertisers and we're back. So this is
the gist of the situation. Now this letter is out,
and a lot of people, even I was, and I
still am to some extent, kind of there's been so
many ops. This has to be it for old Donnie Trump.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Loved his way out of this one.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Nitny wiggles his fucking way out right, you know that said,
this does seem to be pissing off a lot of
his more diehard people, right, including fucking the Dilbert guy.
We don't need to give any name besides the Dilbert guy,
but the Dilbert Guy's pissed about this. A lot of
people who have been like really religious Trump supporters are
pissed as a result of this.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yep, Sean Ryan the right pissed about this.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Even Speaker of the House Mike Johnson has been more
Trump critical the past week and has given interviews to
another mega influencer turned soft Trump critic, now Benny Johnson,
about how Trump handled this so poorly. A lot of
them are trying to make this down into like a
messaging fail or like a rhetoric fumble, which obviously it's
(13:48):
so much more substantial than that. But cracks are forming
in a way that we haven't really seen for his
bass in a long time.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
And the thing I think is really important about this
is that, Okay, so this is going history mode. If
you look at a thing that has been studied by
an enormous amount by the left and I think studied
mostly wrong, which is how did the Bolsheviks actually take
power in nineteen seventeen. And the answer is that when
they came for Kerensky in the October Revolution, everyone stayed home.
(14:18):
Everyone looked at Kerensky and was like, I'm not dying
for that dip shit, like fuck them, Like if there's
like dueling machine gun companies in the street, i am
not going to go die for Alexander Kerensky. And that's
all they won because everyone stayed home. And that's the
thing with Trump, right. The thing that's important about this
is that the way that Trump can be defeated is
if enough of his base just stays the fuck home.
(14:39):
Whenever the sort of terminal crisis hits and every single
thing we get like this, we're more and more of
his base.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Is like, well, I mean I could.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Go face down a machine gun line for this guy,
but he did piss me off by Epstein, So like
fuck that. The more that happens, the better it is
for all of us. Whenever the confrontations start to emerge.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, I think in general just the more so much
of the modern right is built on the Epstein stuff,
and a lot of it is a myth, Right, there's
a mythical idea that Epstein is trafficking small children and
he's not. He was trafficking teenage girls, because that's what
mostly rich adult men want to fuck, right, That's just
the reality of the situation.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Including famously Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Yeah, he has like said this before, and you can
look at the many court cases that have often been
solved out of.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Court alleged by him.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
And like, there's this clip of the Howard Stern Show
from the mid two thousands, which is kind of an
endless source of men saying horrible things.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I will include this clip here.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Thing about four year olds.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Oh, absolutely, would you do it? I have no problem? Yeah,
do you have any age limit or would you no? No,
I have no age.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
I mean I have an age.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I don't want to be like twelve year old. Can
I make a prediction for you, good lord?
Speaker 6 (15:52):
This is the incorrect response to this question. Yeah, this
question has a very clearly like cut off point, which
even still is a little bit iffy. But this is
absolutely the wrong answer. The answer is not twelve years old.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
This is that is marity.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Legally the wrong answer.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Man.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
You know, one of the things I think it's also
really important about this is looking at this in the
context of Trump's unbelievable number of sexual assault allegations, and
we're going to get into that in a second, but
first we need to ask the question, Okay, has Donald
Trump ever intentionally looked at the naked body of an
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underage girl? And in order to figure out the answer
to this, I am going to turn to the man himself,
Donald Trump, talking about walking into the changing rooms of
teen Miss USA pageants and I quote, you know, no
men are anywhere, and I'm allowed to go in because
I'm the owner of the pageant, and therefore I'm inspecting
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it is everyone. Okay, you know they're standing there with
no clothes, and you see these incredible looking women, and
I sort of get away with things like that. Now,
that is our President, Donald J. Trump saying that he
walks into changing rooms and looks at the bodies of
naked underage girls and says that they are end like
quotes incredible looking women.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
I remember when this quote was going around, like maybe
ten years ago.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Yeah, and then just no one know.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
No, it's gone into the memory hole now.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, disappear right, Like, there's so much of this shit.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Like the Access Hollywood tape.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
But like yeah, and I think it's actually worth like
looking at this. There's another quote from Vox where they
say this is an incident of like Trump walking in
on a changing room like of again like naked underage girls.
Quote Billottel told Buzzfeeds. She mentioned the incident to Trump's
daughter Avonka, who shrugged it off, saying, quote, yeah he
does that, so like yeah, like this is multiple people
cooperating that he just like walks into the changing rooms
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of naked underage girls and like looks at their bodies.
Right now, I will call that pedophile shit, right Like,
I don't know if he wants to sue me for
one billion dollars, please don't.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
But like sounds like he's alleging a pedophile.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
He's the one who said this, so like, you know,
and it's worth noting. Also, last year a jury did
rule that Trump had sexually assaulted an advice columnist named
em J. Carroll, and he had to pay her like
five million dollars. There's also again the like grab him
by the pussy thing, which is him just talking about
sexually assaulting women, which he does constantly. He kept on
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just like walking up to like people at his pageants
and just kissing him without their consent, which is again
sexual assault and directly tied to the Epstein case. We
have an allegation by former model Stacy Williams, which for
some reason, I don't know why everyone has suddenly forgotten
about this, who alleged that she was introduced to Trump
by Epstein, who like walked her to Trump Tower to
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meet Donald Trump, where he then sexually assaulted her like
in front of Epstein.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Yeah, in Trump Tower.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
This was also included in a list The New York
Times put together a few days ago on like Trump
and Epstein's friendship. Quote one of the young women who
later said mister Epstein groomed in abuse, was recruited into
his world while working as a spot in an at
mar a Lago. Another accuser recalled being eyed by Trump
during a brief encounter in mister Epstein's office and claimed
that mister Epstein told Trump at the time, quote, She's
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not for you, so like.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
He just like says this shit, right. And I think
this is, you know, part of the problem that we've
been sort of getting it here, right, which is that
like the conservative mythos about Epstein is that it's like
four year olds, right, And it's like, no, Epstein was
doing the shit that Donald Trump talks about doing, right,
But because it's like attached to Epstein, right, Like Trump
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doesn't want to admit that he's been doing this, even
though he's been admitting that he's been doing this for
decades and decades and decades. It's harder for the Conservatives
to deal with this because like all of these people
think the child marriage should be legal and that creeping
on like fifteen year olds isn't pedophilia.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
It's not hard for them to deal with this because
they don't have a fucking problem with it.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Like Matt Wallash's talking about how like seventeen year olds
are the most fertile. So yeah, this is very common
among certain aspects of like this, like evangelically.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Agains that's a major thing on the right to fight
for it to be legal to marry fourteen year old girls,
you know, as all as their parents say yes.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
And you could look at this from a conspiracy productive
and be like, okay, like is there a ruling cabal
of pedophiles I control the United States? And it's like, well, yeah,
it's the Baptists and like the systematic cover up of
this shit by the Catholic Church. Right, it's Epstein, Yeah,
but it's also like Trump admitting that he's like again
perving on like doing pedophiles shit, but like walking in
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on these changing rooms of these fucking girls. He's just
like admitting this on TV, right.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
And I think like the current thing that Trump's trying
to do is make this Epstein thing another one of
the many lines of attack against him throughout the years,
and he's done a really good job at deflecting some
things that have some actual like serious data on had
some serious investigations and like there was aspects of like
Russian interference in the twenty sixteen election. It may not
have changed the outcome of the election in a substantial manner,
(20:56):
but this is something that the FBI like legitimately investigated
and like real findings of, and he was able to
just completely like rewrite what that investigation was into this
like completely like astroturfed and like orchestrated hoax. And now
it's like one of the main things that he talks about.
And whenever there's new things that people bring up about
(21:17):
why Trump is bad, he just compares it to the
Russia hoax. Everything's just just like the Russia hoax. This
is just another Democrat hoax against me. And this has
been such an effective way for him to diffuse so
many lines of attack against him. It's by just repeating
long enough and often enough that it's just a baseless hoax.
And he can do this anytime, and he'll replace like, oh,
(21:38):
you know, this is a hoax, but you know when
Hunter Biden does stuff, that's the real thing that the
Democrats then try to.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Cover up Hunter's laptop.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
They talk about Hunter's laptop so many times, something that
does not matter. But like, this is the trend that
he's been able to do. And eventually journalists and media
get tired of having to repeat the same thing over
and over again, explaining that these things are not baseless
hoaxes but are legitimate investigations, legitimate concerns, and people just
get tired of it. And he's able to like warp
(22:07):
reality around things that he says. And this is the
thing he's currently trying to do with Epstein. This is
why he's calling it the Epstein hoax, using the same
rhetoric that he used around all of the Russia stuff
around the twenty twenty election, around Hunter Biden's laptop, and
it's going to tire people out. And you can already
kind of feel some of this like iteration of it
losing some steam, and like I thought the Wall Street
(22:29):
Journal piece would like invigorate people's discussion of like Trump's,
you know, alleged pedophilia, and I think it's I don't know,
at least in like observing the online ecosystem, immediate ecosystem
the last few days. I don't know if Trump's strategy
is working, but it is growing stagnant and that's just
kind of the pace of the Internet sometimes. But if
(22:51):
he's able to keep doing what he's currently doing, I'm
not sure if this stuff's going to really matter in
two months beyond, you know, whatever comes out in discovery
for the like Murdoch law suit, we should maybe.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Explain who Murdoch is. Just Murdoch Murdoch is.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
He's a leftist revolutionary.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, that's going to say, member of the Communist Party.
Murdoch is an Australian tabloid magnate who owns the tabloid press.
More or less. At some point in time, he has
probably owned most of the tabloid press in the English
language almost all around the world.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
He owns The Sun in the UK, also The Times
in Australia. He owns a Daily Sun and Deai Telegraph.
In the US, he owns in Wall Street Journal and
the New York Post. He also owns Sky News, which
broadcast like in the UK, he owns Fox News. He
used to own people in the UK, remember the News
of the World. He owns a massive amount of the
(23:49):
tabloid and I guess the broadsheet press now. But he
has historically been very right wing right. It's fair to
say that Murdoch outlets have boost Trum enormously in his
assent to office. However, now it appears they have fallen out,
and like that is significant. I think it is significant
that this guy who has played a huge role in
(24:11):
Trump's like, we don't have the sort of liberal Walter
Cronkite anymore, right, like the person who can change their
mind on something and take the nation with them in
the way that the Kronkite had a role in doing
at least in the Vietnam War. The boomer and gen
x conservative people still have that in Fox News, right,
like Fox News can because it's like the constant background
(24:32):
noise in people's lives in so much of this country.
It can take people with it. And the fact that
Trump has gone after Murdoch, I think that is potentially
if they're falling out continues, that is potentially the most
damaging part of this for him.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I want to read a quote. I think I've talked
about this on the show before, but Murdoch's role in
doing the sort of reality shaping stuff for Trump until
now and Garrison we were talking about about how Trump
is able to sort of create his own reality. I
want to read this quote from the Bush administration that's
very famous, which is like the reality based community quote,
(25:07):
because the neo cons were trying to do the same thing, right.
There's a very famous quote from the Bush administration which
is attributed to a journalist named Ron Suttzkind, and he's
doing an interview with like a Bush Administration aid, and
I'm just going to quote fromit. The aid said that
guys like me were quote in what we call the
reality based community, which he defined as people who quote
(25:30):
believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.
That's not the way the world really works anymore. He continued,
We're an empire now, and when we act, we create
our own reality. And while you're studying reality judiciously, as
you will will act again, creating other new realities which
you can study too, And that's how things will sort out.
(25:52):
Were history's actors, and you, all of you will just
be left to study what we do. And that's you know,
a lot of a Trump isn't too right, which is like, yeah,
I know all of you people are trying to like
describe reality. I'm just simply going to change it by
saying shit right and doing shit.
Speaker 6 (26:07):
And like all he has to do is like diffuse
the possible damage that this Epstein thing can do to
his base. Like he does not care about the other
half of the country at all. He knows that they
hate him, that does not matter. All he has to
do is create enough of a doubt in the mind
of the base that this thing isn't real. There's no
proof that this Wall Street Journal story is real. This
(26:27):
is all a hoax. The Epstein files were written by Obama,
even though the second Epstein investigation was kicked off when
he was president in twenty nineteen, but all these files
were written by.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
My own garrison. I think it's bold of you to
say that Trump was president in twenty nineteen. That's very
much up for.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Different controversial claim now about who was president in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, certainly, like who was president in twenty twenty is
something that the country now disagrees about.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
The thing I want to say about this though, right,
is the neocons believe they could do this. Right, the
neocons believe they had seized the range of empire and
they could forever shape you each other will, and they
couldn't this quote from two thousand and four, Right, the
neocons tried to do this, and they invaded a rock,
and they thought they could just fucking will like empire,
like we create reality. I thought they could just turn
a rock into their own personal playground, and it destroyed them.
(27:16):
Like where are the neocons now?
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Like some of them are obviously the Trump administration, but
like this is not a neocons.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Some of them are now in the anti trump ver
side of this.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, many of them are in the Lincoln Project.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
The thing is, right, the neocons are, like, they don't
they do not rule the empire anymore. Right, that's Trump.
These people they ran into a piece of reality that
they tried to devour and consume and replace, and it
destroyed them. And I don't know if this is that
for Trump, but.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
I yeah, I don't know. I'm not that optimistic.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
But like the last time that someone tried to do
this using the American state, they eventually hit a thing
they couldn't swallow and it completely annihilated them. And that's
the goal with us, right, Like we have to like
find the thing where enough of the coalition is peeled
off and where it just completely blows up in their
fucking face. And hopefully it's not like the Iraq War
(28:06):
three or something. But this ability to warp reality purely
by like thought and speech and action of empire like
has its limits, and we've seen them be destroyed before.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, it took a lot of people dying into the
first time, That's what.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
It was horrible, Right, It's not easy to stop these people.
But you know, like, where the fuck is George Bush
right now?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, he's doing a painting, Yeah, yeah, on his foreign painting,
But he's not running the fucking country, not as far.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
He's like ten miles away from where I used to live.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
It down.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
God, he's at Robber's house.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Yeah, I don't know what else we got to say
about our old friend Jepstein.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I guess the one last thing that I have to
say is I actually do think that, Like, look, if
the thing that you've decided to do is you want
to wage information warfare, like just continuing to spread this
shit and like seating it in random right wing things
is probably a fun thing to do with your I'm
it could work.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Who knows it can't hurt?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yeah, I mean it could, but probably won't. What really
could hurt right now? Given where we are, this.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Is like the biggest chink in the maga Ama that
we've seen. Like he's lost more people over this than
tearing families apart with masked and identified men with guns.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
People are fine with that, James.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Unforty lots of them think it's cool.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
But someone them don't.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
And that's going to be our interview tomorrow or maybe yesterday.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
The whole country is governed by qan on logic. Now,
this is the only thing that truly gets Americans upset anymore,
as like an entire political block. Yeah, this is it,
Like QAnon as a cohesive conspiracy doesn't really exist anymore,
but its logic has perforated every aspect of America, Democrats
(29:48):
and Republicans included. Now and that's the real people that's
like survived, survived the past ten years of politics. Is
like the logic of QAnon.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
It's the the only thing that matters.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
It cannot be killed anymore.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
All Right, Well this has been It could happen here
until next time. You know, may every day be another
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