September 18, 2025 • 58 mins
The gang compare and contrast the Years of Lead to current brainrotted form of political violence in the United States from assassinations, conspiracy theories, and state sponsored doxing.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Al Zone Media.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm not Robert Evans. I'm not going to start this
episode with a horrible noise. Welcome to it could happen
to hear a show about things falling apart with me today,
Mio Wong, James Stout, I'm Garrison Davis.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
We have never as a society been this Year's of
lead paint as we are now.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
Yeah, it's not great.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Speaking of things falling apart. The lead paint in my
room is crumbling. It's probably great things to my brain. Wonderful,
love this, love this so okay.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Most a lot of this episode is going to be
about the Charlie Kirk assassination and everyone's reaction to it
and everyone's sort of losing their minds. But I think
that the place that we want to start is with
a little bit about the concept of the years of
Lead Paint, which was developed by friend of the show,
Vicky astro Wall, to explain something I feel like almost
i've once forgotten about, which was right after Trump got elected,
(01:02):
there was that car bomb outside of a Trump hotel
that was like a tesla that was a right winger
who was trying to get everyone to like do the Purge, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
The cyber Trek, former Green Beret guy.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah, And this is the kind of thing that you
would have seen during the original years of Lead.
Speaker 6 (01:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So for people who don't know what the original years
of Lead was, because this is becoming a thing that
people are using to understand what's going on now, and
I think there are problems with that that we'll get to.
But the original years of Lead are this period from
I mean that there's you know, you can you can
start in a couple different places, but like roughly sort
(01:45):
of like the sixties through the eighties, like early mid
eighties in Italy that are this period of really really
intensifies in the seventies is really really intense period of
political violence in Italy. It is largely a right wing
reaction to this massive series of uprisings in Italy. I mean,
(02:08):
the whole the whole sixties in Italy are a time
of incredible sort of turmoil and left wing uprising. There's
I mean, I think there's first factory occupations are like
sixty five, but there's the fact there's the massive factory
occupations in nineteen sixty eight, which are sort of a
global phenomena. But then also the next year, there is
an Evans called and this is literally the term for it,
(02:31):
the Hot Autumn of sixty nine, which.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I'm not even gonna really a.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Nice great yeah, which which was this massive like a
second series of like you know, workers taking over factories
and starting like factory councils, and like, there are so
many communist factions that, like the communist faction that's doing
this stuff, they have mutated to a point where they're
almost effectively anarchists. So this is what's called the autonomists.
(02:57):
And this has becomes like a major influence on like
American anarchism later and in response to the fact that
these people very nearly on multiple occasions, like very nearly,
take Italy, a combination of rut wing fascist groups and
organizations inside of and sort of parallel to the Italian
government developed this thing called the strategy of Tension, which
(03:20):
and I think this will to some extent sound familiar
in terms of what's what's happening right now, which is
this strategy of using terrorist attacks and using political violence
to show this like fear and panic and chaos that
would cause people to turn to the state for safety
and cause people to turn specifically to like a stronger,
like more fascist and then eventually just a straight up
(03:42):
fascist state that would permanently destroy the left and you know,
like restore the power of the Nazis, et cetera, et cetera. Well,
I mean that's us selling these people Italian fascists, the
og fascists, well, and also neo fascists too, because they're
these people are very weird Italians.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Yeah, these people are Italians.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, yeah, he said, Kisses. One of the big opening
things is that the Piazza Fontana bombing, which is this
massive bombing that kills nineteen people injures an unbelievable number
of people, and it is immediately blamed on anarchists. There's
an anarchist named Giseppe Pinelli who he's among like eighty
anarchists who arrested. Almost immediately, he like somehow falls out
(04:19):
of a four story window of a police building while
he was being interrogated.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
The Italian state, which will go on to admit a
lot of the shit that it did, maintains to this
day that he just got tired and fell out the
window himself. I'm gonna let you try your artus.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
I think this guy died.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I mean a lot of a lot of anarchists are lazy.
I can see, I can see it happening.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Yeah, there is a good play that I took part
in during high school called Accidental Death of an Anarchist
by Dario Foe. Yeah, which you can enjoy.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
This is the most like James backstory moment ever seen before.
This is wild. Yeah, WHOA someone, someone update the icy
HH wiki page James backstory. This is great. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
In my theater era, who did you play? I can't remember?
It was tragic twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
You should you should have remembered.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Oh, I know. It was very fun. We had a
good soundtrack. It was very enjoyable for me and my friends,
and I'm sure all eight people who watched it also
had a wonderful time.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
So in less fun times, So this bombing was actually
carried out by a group called Ordine Nouvo, which is
it's literally new order fascist groups only have four names.
And this is a group that was aided by a
combination of Italian intelligence and this thing called Gladio, which
was this American netwill sort of stayed behind networking case
(05:50):
with Soviet invasion that had all of these weapons, cashes,
placed around the country that's eventually sort of repurposed into
these fascist terror cells. And they do a lot of these, right,
They do a lot of bombings and they and they
mostly blamed the left for them. Probably the most famous
one is the Bologna train bombing, which killed like eighty
people injured a huge number of other people, was done
by a kind of like like another fascist group.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
This is also a period where like there is real
left wing violence. Right, the left is doing like like well,
one of the things they kidnap bosses and have like
show trials of bosses all the time. They love doing
this factory bosses.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Just like in the Dark Knight Rises by Marxist historian
Christopher Nolan.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
God. I see, I thought you were gonna say, just
like cancel culture.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
But just like just like what the right's doing right
now for anyone who posts about Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
But but there was also stuff like like for example,
Lota Continua, which is a leftist group of staggering complexity,
I like killed the police officer who was interrogating Guiseppe Pinelli.
So you know, like there are left wing assassinations. A
group called the Red Brigades kidnaps the former Prime Minister
of Italy, Aldo Moro. See every other episode where I've
(07:06):
yelled about this. They had been heavily infiltrated and were
sort of being manipulated by a number of intelligence organizations
that if I started listening to them right now, you
would think I was insane.
Speaker 8 (07:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
But the important thing about this period, right, and this
eventually works, it does destroy the left. But the important
thing about the structure of this in the actual years
of lead, is that these are concrete groups, right. They
are shifting, they are flowing, people move between them.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
But actual organized factions anya a legitimate armed struggle.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
I mean, the Red Brigade are literally organized in a
military fashion, right, with like units and command structure.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
But this is also true of like this is also
true of the fascists, right, yeah, and it's also true
of group I mean, you know, like obviously like autonomia
and the sort of like anarchistic communist factions are looser,
but like they're still they still are like organized, and
they're rooted in a whole bunch of different kinds of struggles.
And the strategy of tension is being deliberately managed by
(08:07):
by Italian intelligence and by American intelligence and by a
bunch of other sort of like state groups. And this
is not at all what we're dealing with right now,
not even cla. Yeah, the Charlie Kirk assassination is neither
a guy who was part of like some Marxist group,
nor was it a guy who's like a CIA agent
(08:29):
or something, right.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Like just a guy. It's a guy who got.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Reddit gamer and discord political violence.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, these are these are these, These are decentralized acts
being fueled by sort of radicalization. But they're not like
active intelligence operations.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I mean some of them aren't even fueled by radical
Like even even the word radicalization here is sometimes in miscount.
This one in particular is like not that really a degree.
It seems like a degree of like personal motivation based
on his relationship with his roommate as well as this
general like gen Z sort of nihilism that allows you
(09:06):
to do a pretty wild act like this, I think
specifically in this case, you know, it's like existential violence
manifesting an incredibly political action from someone who otherwise isn't
like overtly political. This guy's not a leftist. It's definitely
not a groeper as I've been trying to argue for
days now. Yeah, but I mean what he did certainly
(09:29):
is is political, even though he's not you know, card carrying,
you know, communist or you know, an anti imperialist, like
the guy who assassinated the tow israel embassy staffers was right,
which is kind of the only arguably like left wing
assassin we've like seen in the past, i don't know,
ten years in the United States, is the guy who
killed the two Israeli embassy staffers. Every other assassin or attended
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assassin would not accurately be described as like left wing
in orientation, including someone like Luigi Mangioni, who is very
much which basically a teapot gray tribe libertarian.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, And it's also worth noting that like from the
state end, these like this is not something that was
like deliberately unleashed by the state, except in the sense
of like.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Well some people would argue otherwise.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, but right there, if that's the issue, you know,
like if like the last time we saw something that
you could argue even sort of look like that is
like there is genuinely something kind of suspicious about the
way that a whole bunch of the most famous Black
Lives Matter activists who weren't the ones in the NGO
suddenly turned up dead. That's the closest thing, right, And
(10:37):
that's not even a like, we know they did this,
that's a like and that was and that was over
a decade ago. Yeah, right, that this is this is
a long time ago. And you know, and and I
would argue it's important in that it's part of the
same series of uprisings that like all of this fascist
stuff is a response to right and sense, it's a
response to Ferguson, it's response to twenty twenty. But like
that structure, which is the structure that a lot of
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people are using to end is this of just purely
in American years of lead doesn't really work because we're
dealing with something way weirder, yeah, and way less concrete.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Which is why we're calling it something else, the years
of lead paint, because these people are just like because
it is not the result of this large scale like
deep state orchestration, nor these legitimate organized fashions. Everyone is
simply brain rotted.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
To contrast, right in the twentieth century that the prevailing
concept of how the left would change the world was
through the violent capture of state institutions or in the
case of the anarchists, I guess less so that you know,
if we look at like this communist ideal of revolution.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, how's that anarchist revolution going, buddy?
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Well, I mean, these guys are thirty years after the
Spanish Revolution, right, Like it's some of them have seen
anarchists hold whole cities and hold off the country's army.
It's not out of the out of the realm of
possibility for them. That concept of revolution. I mean, it
does exist. It exists with people with like anime Twitter
abbatars still, but like, for the most part, that concept
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of revolution is not that relevant in twenty first century
leftist political organizing and so like it cannot be the
same because the nature of the thing, that's the struggle,
it's not the same on the left.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
There isn't even illegitimate left in the United States, like
in any meaningful sense.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Yeah, I mean that there exists, Like I guess it's like,
I don't want to call it incoherent, but like a
lot of the left exists. The people going hardest on
the left are going hardest on the internet. I guess
this is what I want to say, And like this
is nothing like post sixty eight Italy.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
We've seen a nice, nice like resurgence stuff like union
organizing and that's like the most realistic manifestation of the left, but.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
And mutual aid organizing.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
And I will also say we did have the So
this band from twenty eleven to twenty twenty was like
a really massive period of like really large scale street
movement in a way that really terrified these people, Like
twenty fourteen s petificlarly Ferguson and twenty twenty like really
(13:18):
truly rattled the psychology of all of the people who
who are like currently running this country in that it
demonstrated that like, oh damn, there could be a world.
We're like, we're not automatically the superior race and we're
not like treated like that because it's betting bullshit and
(13:39):
people were willing to fight for that. But also like, yeah, no,
like we don't have the kind of like organization or
logistical capacity that like any of these things had, and
it's not clear to me that you like you won't
yet things that look like that anymore.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Yeah, Like as much as like the right wing YouTube
podcast Fear wants to make it the case. First of all,
there is not like an organized revolutionary left in the US,
not a serious one. And secondly, the organized revolutionary left
that existed in twentieth century relied on a network that
was international and that sometimes and not always had its
(14:18):
roots in Soviet I guess foreign policy right. That also
does not like as much as a YouTube world wished
to be the case. China is not sending people little
yellow hard hats to go out in Portland and get
mad at the Feds being there. That is not the case.
Here's an advert for hard hats, which you have to
buy in your own because China is not sending them
(14:40):
to you.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
We're back talking lead paint. Speaking of lead paint, and
in some ways the conspiratory real elements of the years
have led there is no shortage of conspiratorial thought permeating
across the entire spectrum of American politics in ways that
I've never really seen at this scale before, which isn't
(15:12):
saying much, because you know, I'm not, however old James is.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
But I have been.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Gris wo fuck me, but I have been. Monitor industry
was politics for a decent section of time, mainly the
past like seven years, the past like five or so years.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Professionally, We're gonna have to watch another video because of
this whole second of the scarison. I have you known.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I'm actually multiple months later for my workplace harassment training.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
I can see why.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
My god, but it's it's it's it's pretty bad. Just
the the total rejection of reality and the separation of
truth and reality as as coherent concepts. And we've seen
this and some of people's responses across the political spectrum
to the release of alleged text messages between the alleged
(16:09):
shooter of Charlie Kirk and their roommate, which was released
in the indictment that dropped on Monday, which shows the
it lled shooter explaining to their roommate what they did
and like how they did it and in part why
we'll talk more about this in Executive Disorder. These actual
messages and like what they contain, but people's reaction to them,
(16:30):
both on the left and right, have been pretty wild.
Matt Walsh is arguing that these messages were scripted between
the roommate and the shooter as a way to absolve
the transgender roommate, referring to this strategy as being influenced
by Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad is a television show, an
(16:56):
American television show released around two thousand and eight. I'm
not going to explain Breaking.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Bad garretson do you remember that?
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Oh my god, you.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Were like Matt Walsh's Matt Walsh is comparing this to
to something that Walter White did during during Breaking Bad,
saying that this feels like a strategy that these two
people cooked up by watching too much TV, which in
fact just shows that it is Matt Walsh who watches
too much TV by the fact that this is the
first thing he thinks of. But it's not just Walsh. Communists,
(17:27):
anti imperialists, people on the left are spreading a completely
unfounded assertion that this text exchange between the roommate and
the alleged shooter was quote unquote obviously written by an
FBI agent. Posts like this are receiving tens of thousands
of likes cross platforms. Yeah, it's such a misunderstanding of
how state craft works and how like the legal system
(17:50):
works that people communists really think that this state of
Utah could could orchestrate and convincingly, convincingly orchestra completely faked
text exchanges like that's just simply not how our legal
system works, and you have people like Hassan spreading this
(18:10):
sort of stuff. Yeah. Quote, half of the right thinks
the messages are fake because it doesn't implicate the transperson.
The other half thinks the shooter is a patsy because
it was Israel that killed Charlie Kirk. I will say
the text messages are too perfectly plugging holes for the
investigators unnatural, like come on, come on, come on, guys.
(18:30):
This is like I don't even know what to like
argue with with, Like there's no way to argue against
people who believe in this in any kind of real way.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Yeah, right, Like how do you someone who has rejected facts, Like,
how do you bring them back?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
They have to argue in court that the led shooter
actually did the shooting, right, That's what they're trying to establish. Yeah,
this is the evidence that will be agreed upon as
as evidence. To introduce the text messages in court, the
DA will have to prove their authenticity through chain of
custody and metadata. The reason why they were released now
is because they were included in the indictment laying out
(19:07):
the charges against Tyler Robinson. Robinson might use some odd words,
but he was raised Mormon, and all of this just
tracks at a face level to me. He's explaining his
actions to the person that he loves and instructs them
to delete the messages. He doesn't think that these are
going to come back to hurt him. And this isn't
just Betel's FBI saying this. This is the work of
(19:29):
local police and State of Utah police in the State
of Utah court. And this rejection of evidence, not what
the evidence argues, just the base evidence itself. Follows a
week of debate regarding this shooter's political orientation, which me
and Robert already discussed in an episode earlier this week.
And I understand people's intensity around this issue, especially framing
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it in this years of led concept right of the
right using this to majorly crack down on trans people
and on the left, which yeah, they're been to tried
to do. But trying to argue at this point that
he's a groyper is just so faulty, And trying to
argue that these text messages are faked somehow, similarly, is
(20:12):
just so faulty and is so detached from how this
situation actually happened and how it fits in to the
current dynamic of political violence in the United States. On
that topic, a few days ago, Fox News is the
Five was debating if they needed more information to definitively
say that the shooter was on quote unquote the left.
(20:33):
Greg Gutfield went on about how high profile liberal and
left wing figures aren't being assassinated by people on the
right and wrote off the murder of Minnesota House Speaker
Melissa Hartman and her husband.
Speaker 9 (20:47):
We don't need more information, really, yes, we don't need it.
What is interesting here is why is only this happening
on the left and not the right.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
That's all we need to know about that.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
There was absolutely no call you want.
Speaker 9 (21:01):
To talk about Melissa Oorsman. Did you know her name
before it happened? None of us did. None of us
were spending every single day talking about missus Hortman.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
I never heard of her until after she died.
Speaker 9 (21:12):
Matter, And don't play that bullshit with me.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
You know what I'm talking.
Speaker 9 (21:17):
What I'm saying is there was no demonization amplification about
that woman before she died. It was a specific crime
against her by somebody who knew her. The same thing
you can bring up Josha Piro, but then you will
not bring up, for example, that that.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Was a pro Palestine person. So don't use your what
about this. The fact, the fact of the.
Speaker 9 (21:36):
Matter is the both sides argument not only doesn't fly,
we don't care.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
We don't care.
Speaker 9 (21:44):
About your both sides argument that shit is dead. For
one thing, there is no cognitive dissonance on our side.
On your side, your beliefs do not match reality. So
you're coming up with these rationalizations like.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
What about this or what about that?
Speaker 9 (22:01):
We're not doing that because we saw it happen. We
saw a young bright man assassinated.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
And we know who did it.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So if you look at like left wing violence or
violence targeting right wing figures, even just like the past
two years, right, there's the two attempted Trump assassinations, which
the right frames as left wing violence. Though the first
Trump shooter did not have left wing politics. They had
more of the psychological profile of a school shooter who
was looking to do something to get into history books
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and came from a conservative upbringing. This person was on
a leftist right. But this is still targeting a right
wing figure, so it's framed in this same conversation the
United Healthcare assassination. Similarly, right, this wasn't a left wing
person who did this, but targeting a CEO on a
healthcare topic associates it with the left or with progressive
(22:53):
stances around healthcare. There's the arson against Jos Shapiro's home.
The guy who did this had a mixture of like
approach Trump background, but with pro Palestine motivations. The most
clear example would be the murder of two Israeli Emacy
staffers and now the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
With the healthcare stuff, like, we should probably point out
that Trump also ran on like medicine is too expensive, right,
it would cost too much to get the pills you
need to stay alive. Like that has been a cornerstone
of his platform too. It can be framed as like
a populist sentiment of populist stunce, yeah, yeah, not necessarily
a leftist one.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
So that's the political background that these people on the
right are coming from, right, Like, that's how they see
see this. That that's like this spike and loft being
violence that they're seeing refers to this collection of acts. Now.
For Media has reported that a few days after Charlie
Kirk's assassination. The Department of Justice removed from their website
(23:48):
a National Institute of Justice research study showing a white
supremacist and far right violence far outweighs any other type
of terrorism or domestic violent extremism. Quote. Since nineteen ninety,
far right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides
than far left or radical Islamist extremists, including two hundred
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and twenty seven events that took more than five hundred
and twenty lives. In the same period, far left extremists
committed forty two ideologically motivated attacks that took seventy eight lives.
So this study has been scrubbed from the website to
follow in line with Trump and the right's general talking
(24:29):
points about this spike in left wing violence. I think
in part, the right would view explicit white supremacist, neo
Nazi linked violence as like separate from like, you know,
conservative even some like far right violence. They don't understand
the linkage from you know, explicit white supremacist mass shootings
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and you know, make America great again. Right, That's something
that they would like reject as a legitimate coupling.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
In Congress today cashpitel that claimed to have no idea
who did? Then Rufe was correct and like what he
was about.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
A lot of them just aren't aware of this stuff.
And it's not just this National Institute Justice study. These
findings are incredibly consistent across multiple studies. The notably not
left wing Cato Institute found very similar results in their
analysis of six hundred and twenty politically motivated murders since
nineteen seventy five, excluding nine to eleven, most political violence
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comes from the right. They counted three hundred ninety one
murders from the right and sixty five from the left.
Can link that below to get a better look at
their actual methodology and what they count as right wing
what they count as left wing violence. But these stats
simply don't matter to the right. In a lot of cases,
many average rightists will just reject these results altogether, say
(25:46):
that the study is faked or had faulty methodology, But
others might frame it as even if this data is true,
it doesn't match the current trend of escalating left wing violence,
specifically targeted left wing violence, not just mass shootings. Here's
another clip from Fox's The Five.
Speaker 9 (26:03):
I Understand why people are saying what about this?
Speaker 4 (26:06):
And what about this?
Speaker 9 (26:07):
Because if you have to face the underlying fact to this,
your life is going to fall apart because you're going
to realize you're not the good guys. If you sat
around and you defended the mutilation of children, you're not
the good guys.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
If you sat six hundred seven.
Speaker 9 (26:23):
Hundred cases of harassment against Republicans and you said, but
what about this?
Speaker 4 (26:28):
What about this?
Speaker 9 (26:28):
And then you see this murder after calling somebody a
fashion you fascist, you realize maybe I'm not the good guy.
That is a hell of a realization to deal with.
So therefore, therefore you have to grasp at rationalizations.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
You don't have to do that, Jessica. They do. I
don't believe you're part of that group.
Speaker 9 (26:47):
But why the hell do you have to mimic an
echo that.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Crap to us? He was a patsy. That guy was
a patsy.
Speaker 9 (26:55):
He was under the hypnotic spell of a direct to
consumer nihil, the trans cult. And you know that if
you can decide that biology is false, you can agree
that that murder is okay and that humanity is expendable.
How you cannot see that.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Alone and see that for what.
Speaker 9 (27:16):
The evil it is without having to attach all of
these other things is beyond me.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
His explicit claim that we should just like flag is
that it's not He's not necessarily talking about leftists as
a whole. He's specifically talking about people who accept the
trans people are people of being and like that the
existence of trans people leads to this nihilism.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I guess, well, yeah, I mean they see the existent
trans people as like a result of this nihilist culture, right, yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Well, he seemed to put the cause all hour the
other way though, in that he seemed to suggest that
the nihilism comes from accepting trans people.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I guess I don't fully agree that that's how he's
saying it. I think they view it as it's both
caused but also a symptom. I think they play it
kind of both ways and showing how it's it's more
so just like the result of this like breakdown in
like a moral fabric, right, which is then breaking down
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this like notion of reality, which is right, like you know,
transness is such an existential threat to the right wing
worldviewing like many senses. But that's another topic. I do
find it interesting how quick these people are just completely
discount right wing mass shootings, right, And I think one
key difference in talking about, you know, left wing violence
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is right ring violence, it seems, and almost all their
examples here they're talking about assassinations targeted against specific people.
Most right wing violence in these like statistics from like
CATO and the National Institute of Justice are are mass shootings,
right that the number of individual people might not be
that different, but the kill count for right wing and
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specifically like white supremacist attacks are so much higher. I
don't think it's the actual numbers that matter to these people,
it's their proximity to being the recipient of such violence
that really freaks them out. For these commentators, the likelihood
of them being in a black church when a white
pharmacist mass shooting happens is slimtonon right, Like, that's never
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gonna happen to these people, But being the victim of
targeted violence against a high profile figure is to them
it seems like an increasing possibility, and that really freaks
them out. Like obviously this type of attack directly affects
their political class in a way that a far right
mass shooting does not. I think that is influencing the
way that they're talking about this, you know, quote unquote
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spike in left wing violence. We're gonna go on an
ad break and then return to talk about Jed Vance's
temporary takeover of the Charlie Kirk Show and how his
rhetoric is affecting this general debate on political violence. Okay,
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we are back. On Monday, September fifteenth, Vice President jd
Vance hosted The Charlie Kirk Show from his office in
the White House Complex, the Vice President sitting down hosting
a private citizens radio talk show. The show's intro has
clips from Charlie's studio with signs that read big Gov
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socks warning does not play well with liberals. To introduce
the show, Jade Vance says that, quote, we have to
talk about this incredibly destructive moment of left wing extremism
that has grown up over the last few years. We're
going to talk about how to dismantle that and how
to bring real unity unquote. His first guest was Stephen Miller.
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Ben said he wanted to talk to Miller about quote
all the ways we're trying to figure out how to
prevent this festering violence that you can see from the
far left becoming even more and more mainstream.
Speaker 7 (30:57):
You have the crazies on the far left were saying, Oh,
Stephen Miller and JD. Vance, they're going to go after
constitutionally protected speech, and we're going to go after the
NGO network that fomens facilitates and engages in violence that's
not okay. Violence is not okay in our system, and
we want to make it less likely that that happens.
(31:17):
Walk me through at a high level, like what you
and I have been working on, what the whole administration
has been working on to try to make sure that
we don't reward and promote this craziness.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yes, so it's an excellent question. I've said this before,
but there's repeating. The last message that Charlie sent me
was I think it was just the day before we
lost him, which is that we need to have an
organized strategy to go after the lefting organizations that are
promoting violence in this country. And I will write those
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words onto my heart and I will carry them out.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
The NGO network.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Yep, Yeah, this has been a thing with them for
a while.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yes, there was supposed to be a series of executive
orders that were drafted earlier this year, specifically targeting Democrat
funding platforms like Act Blue and environmental NGOs that it
was reported that Trump was about to sign and then
they kind of disappeared. This was around like April to May.
And this has been something that they obviously have been
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wanting to do, but for one reason or another, haven't
followed through on yet. But now are are talking about
this as an impending policy that the Trump administration is
going to enact.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
I think some of their fascination with NGOs comes from
the Trump administration's first term, when NGOs were very successful
in bringing suits that delayed or prevented some of the
policies that the mill of faction of the Trump administration
would have liked to implement.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah, and then I think the other angle of this
is just a pure idy Semitism mango that partly when
they're saying NGOs they mean NGO's and partly when they're
saying NGOs they mean Jews. And it's great.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
It's very often this specific focus is on he s right,
highest Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society. Who I mean, we see
this in the Tree of Life shooting for instance in
twenty eighteen. Right, this has been with us for some
time on the right.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I'm going to play another clip where they outline more
strategies for clamping down on left wing violence.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
And we are going to channel all of the anger
that we have over the organized campaign that led to
this assassination to uproot and dismantle these terrorist networks. So
let me explain a bit of what that means. So
thirty seconds, it'll be quick stephen the organized docs and campaigns,
the organized riots, the organized street violence, the organized campaigns
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of dehumanization, vilification, posting people's addresses, combining that with messaging
this design to trigger inside violence, and the actual organized
cells that carry out facilitate the violence. It is a
vast domestic terror movement. And with the Goddess my witness,
we are going to use every resource we have at
the Department of Justice, Homeland Security, and throughout this government
to identify, disrupt, dismantle, and destroy these networks and make
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America safe again for the American people.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
It will happen, and we will do it in Charlie's name.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
So in their discussion of taking down this big doxing network,
they also inadvertently and ironically describe the doxing campaign that
the right is currently doing at a far larger scale
and with way more institutional backing than any antif for
left being, doxing has looked like targeting people making posts
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in support of Charlie Kirk's assassination or people making jokes
about Charlie Kirk in the wake of his assassination, with
a doxing website listing thousands of quote unquote Charlie's murderers,
which are actually just people who have made posts about
the death of Charlie Kirk. This is building off the
Canary Mission strategy used against pro Palestinian Act savists, which
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has been adopted by the State Department for Immigration Enforcement
and judging visa applications. This is the actual, like organized,
state backed, institutionally backed dosing campaign that exists right now
in this country. It's not your average torch Antifa chapter
doing this at scale now. It's the right with the
mechanism of state encouraging them, backing them, and tons of
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money being funneled into an organized operation to actually impact
state policy on who gets allowed in the country. On
that note, Mark Rubio has talked about denying visa applications
for people who celebrate the death of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 10 (35:40):
We are not in the business of inviting people to
visit our country who are going to be involved in
negative and destructive behavior. Okay, so why should if I
invite someone? If we invite someone to visit the United
States of America as a student, as a tourist, as whatever,
then they have a different The standard they should be
held to is very high. We shouldn't be bringing people
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into this country. We should not be giving visas to
people who are going to come to the United States
and do things like celebrate the murder, the execution, the
assassination of a political figure. We should not And if
they're already here, we should be revoking their visa.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
So now there's an organized campaign to not only try
to deport and revoke visas or deny visas to people
quote unquote celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk, but also
get citizens here fired from their jobs and disrupt their life.
Just two years ago, Elon Musk tweeted, quote, if you
were unfairly treated by your employer due to posting or
liking something on this platform Twitter, we will fund your
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legal bill, no limit. Please let us know unquote what's
different about the right use of these tactics is the
merger of like the right wing non government organization like
activist apparatus with the ruling conservative government. Like the Dems
in the left, have never done this before. There's never
been this coordination between the actual democratic establishment and like
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the far left. That's never happened. Like Palestine crackdowns started
under Biden. Biden's DOJ prosecuted many twenty twenty, George Floyd
uprising cases, federal assistance, and the domesti terrorism investigation into
cop City started under Biden. As for quote unquote organized
riots and street violence, right wing street violence has been
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encouraged and coordinated with Trump and the Trump administration stand
back and stand by to stop the steal protests leading
to January sixth, which Trump played a large part in
making happen, and then Trump pardoned all the participants.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
Yeah, it's it's pretty clear.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
The mayor of Minneapolis taking a knee is not on
the same level as Trump pardoning all the January sixth
quote unquote insurrectionists. At the end of Vance's two hour
long episode, he reiterated on the topic of doxing and harassment,
campaigns and political violence. Here's another clip.
Speaker 7 (38:00):
I wrote a story in The Nation magazine about my
dear friend Charlie Kirk. Now The Nation is in a
fringe blog. It's a well funded, well respected magazine whose
publishing history goes back to the American Civil War. George
Soros's Open Society Foundation funds this magazine, as does the
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Ford Foundation and many other wealthy titans of the American
progressive movement.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
The writer accuses Charlie.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
Of saying, and I quote, black women do not have
brain processing power to be taken seriously.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
But if you go and watch the clip, the very.
Speaker 7 (38:39):
Clip she links to, you realize he never said anything
like that. He never uttered those words. He made an
argument against affirmative action as a policy, He criticized a
specific Supreme Court justice as an individual. He never said
anything about black women as a group. He made an
argument for judging people of all races and backgrounds by
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their own individual merits. The very evidence she provides, this
hack of a writer shows that she lied about a
dead man, and yet she wrote it, an esteemed magazine
published it, it made it through the editors, and of
course liberal billionaires rewarded that attack. Now, of course, even
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if Charlie had uttered those words, It wouldn't mean that
he deserved his fate, But consider the level of propaganda
at work. Charlie was gunned down in broad daylight, and
well funded institutions of the left lied about what he
said so as to justify his murder.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
This is soulless and evil.
Speaker 7 (39:47):
But I was struck not just by the dishonesty of
this smear, but by the glee over a young husband's
and young father's death.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Quote.
Speaker 7 (39:57):
She says he was an unrepentant racist, transphobe, homophobe, and misogynist.
The Nation wrote, who often wrapped his bigotry in Bible verses.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
There's a lot to break down there.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
First of all, the president of the Nation, not the
Country the magazine. The Nation magazine has stated that they,
in fact, do not receive money from George Soros or
the Open Society Foundation. Vance's gesturing two left wing billionaires
carries three parentheses around that term. Second of all, let's
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play the actual clip of Charlie talking about brain processing power.
Speaker 8 (40:39):
Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sila Jackson Lee and
Catangi Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks. We would have
been called the BIS. But now they're coming out and
they're saying it for us. They're coming out and they're saying,
I'm only here because of affirmative action. Yeah, we know,
you do not have the brain processing power to otherwise
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be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a
white person slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
So he just happens to be talking about three black
women and state that they do not have the brain
processing power to do their jobs and that they stole
a white man's spot, yet in the position they are
in now. An opinion writer for The Washington Post was
fired this week for sharing this quote on Twitter, which
replaced the names of the three women's talking about with
just black women.
Speaker 5 (41:30):
Did she share it like in between quotation marks if
it was a direct quotation.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
She did share it as if it was a direct quotation.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
Okay, I see.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
So I'm going to read this from the email that
they sent this writer firing her. This writer is a
black woman. Among other requirements, the company wide social media
policy mandates that all employees social media postings be respectful
and prohibits postings that disparage people based on their race, gender,
or other protected characteristics. The policy also mind's employees that
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everything they post is reflective on the company and should
not affect the integrity of the post journalism. You're posting
some blue sky which identify you as a post columnist
about white men in response to the killing of Charlie Kirk,
do not comply with our policy. For example, you posted
refusing to tear my clothes and smear ashes on my
face and performative morning for a white man that espoused
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violence is not the same thing as violence. And part
of what keeps America violent is the insistence that people
perform care, empty goodness and absolution for white men who
espoused hatred and violence. So this is explicitly a a
They think that reverse racism is real, and that's saying
that and talking about white people as a class of
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people in the US that are responsible for things is
in fact racism. That is, that is the argument that
the post the Washington Post is making in the email
where they fire her, which is like that reverse racism shit,
even like three years ago was like a pretty fringe
right wing like like that was a knot. It was
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originally like a Nazi thing, right And this is now
being used by like the Washington Post to fire their
own writers for writing really incredibly reasonable things about Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
To close Charlie Kirk's episode, and to close our episode.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
JD.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Vance talked about before we can have any national unity,
we must, like Charlie, tell the truth.
Speaker 7 (43:30):
Unity Real unity can be found only after climbing the
mountain of truth. And there are difficult truths we must
confront in our country. One truth is that twenty four
percent of self described quote very liberals believe it is
acceptable to be happy about the death of a political opponent,
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while only three percent of self described very conservatives agree.
Three percent is too many, of course. Another truth is
that twenty six percent of young liberals believe political violence
is sometimes justified, and only seven percent of young conservatives
say the same. Again to high a number in a
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country of three hundred and thirty million people. You can,
of course find one person of a given political persuasion
justifying this or that or almost anything, but the data
is clear people on the left are much likelier to
defend and celebrate political violence.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
This is not a both sides problem.
Speaker 7 (44:35):
If both sides have a problem, one side has a
much bigger and malignant problem, and that is the truth.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
We must be told.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
So these stats are from a recent you gov survey
where twenty four percent of very liberals to say it's
okay to be happy with the murder of a political opponent,
and twenty six percent of young liberals to say sometimes
political violence is justified for two seven percent of young conservatives.
This study also found that Democrats and Republicans are more
likely to say that political violence is a big problem
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after attacks on members of their own party. Of course,
this polling is going to be heavily influenced by whatever
recent events just happened. That's going to change people's stated
opinion on these questions. After the assassination of Charlie Kirk,
sixty seven percent of Republicans so that political violence is
a very big problem. Fifty eight percent of Democrats agreed.
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After the assassination of Melissa Hartman, fifty six percent of
Democrats said it's a very big problem. Only forty four
percent of Republicans agreed. After the assassination attempt on Josh Shapiro,
forty four percent of Democrats, thirty seven percent of Republicans.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
Wait, just Shapiro wasn't assassinated?
Speaker 7 (45:45):
Right?
Speaker 2 (45:46):
They tried to ban his houseing. Yeah, they're counting that
as an attempt assassination.
Speaker 5 (45:49):
Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
After the attendive assassination on Donald Trump, fifty one percent
of Republicans said political balance is a very big problem,
forty six percent of Demi democrats, And after the attacks
on Paul Pelosi, fifty three percent of Democrats said political
violence is a very big problem, compared to thirty one
percent of Republicans. These stats are very fluid and absolutely
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changed depending on whatever current events were current at the time,
whatever just happened. We're going to talk about this more
in a bit, but I think the way that we
frame cheering on political violence also massively varies based on
what you count as political violence. Is a police killing
count as political violence? If so, that's going to majorly
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affect the way we think about this question. Here's Vance
again talking about Trump's assassination and the pyramid that supports
political violence.
Speaker 7 (46:43):
Now, any political movement, violent or not violent.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
Is a collection of forces.
Speaker 7 (46:47):
It's like a pyramid that stacks on top one support
on top of the other. That Peermid's got a foundation
of donors, of activists, of journalists. Now, social media influenceers
and of course, of politicians. Not every member of that
pyramid would commit a murder. In fact, over ninety nine
percent I'm sure would not. But by celebrating that murder,
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apologizing for it, and emphasizing not Charlie's innocence, but the
fact that he said things some didn't like, even to
the point of lying about what he actually said, many
of these people are creating an environment where things like
this are inevitably going to happen.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Benson goes on to talk about how people yelled at
him and his family when he visited Disneyland, and discusses
how after Charlie's death, one of his friends and a
senior White House staffer had left leaning operatives in his neighborhood,
passing out leaflets telling people what he looked like and
where he'd lived, and quote encouraging neighbors to harass him
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or God forbid to do worse. While he was mourning
his dead friend, he and his wife had to worry
about the political terrorists drawing a big target on his home.
He shares with his own children. Are these people violent?
I hope not? But are they guilty of encouraging violence?
You damn well better believe it. We can thank God
that most Democrats don't share these attitudes, and I do.
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While acknowledging that something has gone very wrong with a
lunatic fringe, a minority, but a growing and powerful minority
on the far left, Vansk goes on to state that
he seeks no unity with the far left.
Speaker 7 (48:24):
There is no unity with people who scream at children
over their parents' politics. There is no unity with someone
who lies about what Charlie Kirk said in order to
excuse his murder.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
There is no.
Speaker 7 (48:36):
Unity with someone who harasses an innocent family the day
after the father of that family lost a dear friend.
There is no unity with the people who celebrate Charlie
Kirk's assassination. And there is no unity with the people
who fund these articles, who pay the salaries of these
terrorist sympathizers, who argue that Charlie Kirk, a loving husband
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and father, deserved a shot to the neck because he
spoke words with which they disagree.
Speaker 4 (49:06):
Did you know that the George Soros.
Speaker 7 (49:09):
Open Society Foundation and the Ford Foundation, the groups who
funded that disgusting article justifying Charlie's death, Do you know
they benefit from generous tax treatment. They are literally subsidized
by you and me, the American taxpayer. And how do
they reward us by setting fire to the house built
by the American family over two hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
On September thirteenth, Fox and News Morning host Brian Kilmeade
endorsed youuthanizing homeless people with quote involuntary lethal injection or something.
Just kill them.
Speaker 6 (49:46):
Billions of dollars some mental health and the homeless population.
A lot of them don't want to take the programs.
A lot of them don't want to get the help
that is necessary. You can't give them a choice. Either
you take the resources that we're going to give you
and or you decide that you got to be locked
up in jail.
Speaker 11 (50:02):
That's the way it has to be now, or involuntary
lethal injection or something.
Speaker 10 (50:06):
I just kill him, Jim, Brian, Why did it have
to get to this point?
Speaker 8 (50:09):
Right?
Speaker 11 (50:09):
I would say this, we're not voting for the right
people in North Carolina.
Speaker 8 (50:12):
Wake up.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Just kill them.
Speaker 5 (50:14):
Geez.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
A Fox News host advocating the killing of homeless people,
and he didn't get fired from this. He apologized a
few days later, but he's not getting fired from his
job for this openly advocating the death of homeless people.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
Yeah, murder, And I think it's worth noting whatever we're
having a discussion about political violence, that two days after
Charlie Kirk was shot, Ice just killed a guy in
Chicago who was driving away from their attempt to detain him.
He was driving away pretty slowly and there's video of it.
Speaker 10 (50:49):
Now.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
They pulled out their guns and they killed him. And
you know, all of these people, who are the people
who ordered Ice into this city, right, who are directly
responsible for the deaths of this man who was also
a single father. Actually well, no, Kirk was not a
single father, but this guy was and was just murdered
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in cold blood by Ice.
Speaker 7 (51:14):
Right.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
This is not considered political violence by sort of either
liberals or conservatives, right, because they don't think that political
violence can be done by the state. And this is
also part of how you get to the situation now
where you can be like, well, the states should just
murder homeless people and that's not considered political violence because
it's the state doing it and because they don't think
homeless people are people.
Speaker 5 (51:35):
Yeah, I mean to broaden that statement slightly or take
a different angle on it, right, Like there is a
complete bipartisan consensus that we should kill hundreds of people
a year acrossing our southern border because that supposedly serves
as a deterrent from other people coming, which it doesn't.
But that is not seen as political violence.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
Now, they just murdered three more people on a boat
like leaving Venezuela a few days ago.
Speaker 5 (51:57):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
Events ended the Charlie Kirk Show episode. He advocated that
listeners find and call the employers of people celebrating Charlie
Kirk's death to join a TEPA USA chapter or to
run for office.
Speaker 7 (52:14):
But I promise you that we will explore every option
to bring real unity to our country and stop those
who would kill their fellow Americans because they don't like
what they say.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
But you have a role too. Civil society, Charlie.
Speaker 7 (52:29):
Understood this well, is not just something that flows from
the government. It flows from each and every one of us.
It flows from all of us. So when you see
someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them out in hell, call
their employer. We don't believe in political violence, but we
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do believe in civility, and there is no civility in
the celebration of political assassination.
Speaker 5 (52:56):
The idea of the fusion of the state with civil
society is really notable there, Like, that's not what civil
society is, right, That is a concept that is inherently totalitarian,
that civil society should flow downstream from the state and
the movement.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
It's this fusion between the two that the right has
deployed so successfully, Yeah, which has increased their ability to
actually like rule.
Speaker 5 (53:19):
Yeah, I mean that's that's what fatism does, right, Like
that that's yeah, Franco, that's Hitler like, like that is textbook.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
That's like the point of the brown Shirts, yeah.
Speaker 5 (53:28):
Or like the Women's movement in Spain. Right to give
a more civil society example, they're not like they're not
like a state police agency. There are a civil society
organization explicitly run by the state for its agenda.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
So to return to the years of lead Paint idea
that opened this episode, what I'm observing right now across
the political ocean is this flattening of tactics. As I
discussed on the show before in the Blue on episodes,
the right trojan horst political conspiracism into acceptable political discourse,
which the left is now embracing. Liberals and the left,
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and you can see this with people's reactions to the
Charter assassination and theories about the alleged shooter. So the
left is embracing conspiracy theories. Meanwhile the right is adopting
and accelerating political cancel culture style docsing. The key difference
here is on the right, these actions have state backing
and coordination, or serve to maintain state power. For example,
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there's types of political violence that get cheered on by
the right, such as deportations and the cheering on of
police after officer involved shootings. Back the blue keeps alignment
with state power. Same thing with cheering on or encouraging
violence against BLM protesters that supports the state structure and
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advocating or celebrating the deaths of protesters gets viewed very
differently than the targeted assassinations that have happened the past
year and now the past few days, Trump has discussed
once again designating Antifa and other groups as domestic terror
organizations and bringing RICO charges against Code Pink activists who
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screamed at him at a restaurant in d C a
few weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (55:14):
Do you plan on designating Antifa finally a domestic terror organization.
Speaker 7 (55:20):
Well, it's something I would do, Yeah, if I have
support from the people back here.
Speaker 4 (55:25):
I think would start with PAM, I.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
Think, but I would if you give me, I would
do that one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (55:30):
And others also, by the way, but Antifa is terrible.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
There are other groups. Yeah, there are other groups.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
We have some pretty radical groups and they got away
with murder.
Speaker 4 (55:41):
And also I've been speaking to.
Speaker 7 (55:43):
The Attorney General about bringing RICO against some of the
people that you've been reading about that have been putting
up millions and millions of dollars for agitation.
Speaker 4 (55:51):
This is these aren't protests.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
These are crimes what they're doing where they're throwing bricks
at cars of the of Ice and Border Patrol. I
want to close by. You know, we've seen the sort
of repercusions that people have had, not even for like
celebrating Charlie Kirk's death, but for like being like, wait,
this guy fucking sucks and this whole you know, this
whole argument about civility. And I mean that, I mean
(56:15):
the Vice President of the United States is making right.
I want to read this quote from Matt Walsh as
we're recording this This is from Tuesday, September sixteenth. This
was left wing LGBT terrorism. There was never much doubt.
Now there is none at all. All left wing terror
networks must be crushed, all of the terrorists and their
helpers and funders must be arrested, prosecuted, and put to death.
(56:38):
So and there have been absolutely zero consequences for again
Matt Walsh calling for this whole network of people that
he imagines exists being executed. That's their endgame, right, It
is to destroy the concept of free speech in order
to preserve quote unquote free speech right, in order to
sort of quote unquote end political violence. They want to
carry out, you know, mass political killings of their opponents,
(57:01):
coordinated at a state level with state resources.
Speaker 10 (57:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
Yeah, and the state involvement makes it okay, That makes
it a moral action, not the actions of some like
unhinged terrorist.
Speaker 3 (57:12):
Yeah. And this is a really significant problem for the
way that we think about political violence, because this is
something that's true for both liberals and conservatives that they
think that the state is the appropriate arbiter for this
kind of political violence, which is how Obama can do
a drone strike on a sixteen year old American citizen
and kill him in cold blood because Obama had political
(57:33):
disagreements with his father, right, and how this is some
treated as something that's fine by a huge portion of liberals.
And this is one of the things that's going to
allow if these people are successful, and I don't know
that they will be, but if they can be, that's
going to be.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
Why well, that is how we at the show understand
the years of lead Pain, or the current twenty twenty
five Timber era of the years of lead Paint. There's
phantoms everywhere, there's conspiracies everywhere and nowhere, and the specter
(58:11):
of political violence is around every corner.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
We have never as a society been this Year's of
lead paint as we are now.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
Yeah, it's not great.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Speaking of things falling apart. The lead paint in my
room is crumbling. It's probably great things to my brain. Wonderful,
love this, love this so okay.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Most a lot of this episode is going to be
about the Charlie Kirk assassination and everyone's reaction to it
and everyone's sort of losing their minds. But I think
that the place that we want to start is with
a little bit about the concept of the years of
Lead Paint, which was developed by friend of the show,
Vicky astro Wall, to explain something I feel like almost
i've once forgotten about, which was right after Trump got elected,
(01:02):
there was that car bomb outside of a Trump hotel
that was like a tesla that was a right winger
who was trying to get everyone to like do the Purge, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
The cyber Trek, former Green Beret guy.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah, And this is the kind of thing that you
would have seen during the original years of Lead.
Speaker 6 (01:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So for people who don't know what the original years
of Lead was, because this is becoming a thing that
people are using to understand what's going on now, and
I think there are problems with that that we'll get to.
But the original years of Lead are this period from
I mean that there's you know, you can you can
start in a couple different places, but like roughly sort
(01:45):
of like the sixties through the eighties, like early mid
eighties in Italy that are this period of really really
intensifies in the seventies is really really intense period of
political violence in Italy. It is largely a right wing
reaction to this massive series of uprisings in Italy. I mean,
(02:08):
the whole the whole sixties in Italy are a time
of incredible sort of turmoil and left wing uprising. There's
I mean, I think there's first factory occupations are like
sixty five, but there's the fact there's the massive factory
occupations in nineteen sixty eight, which are sort of a
global phenomena. But then also the next year, there is
an Evans called and this is literally the term for it,
(02:31):
the Hot Autumn of sixty nine, which.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I'm not even gonna really a.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Nice great yeah, which which was this massive like a
second series of like you know, workers taking over factories
and starting like factory councils, and like, there are so
many communist factions that, like the communist faction that's doing
this stuff, they have mutated to a point where they're
almost effectively anarchists. So this is what's called the autonomists.
(02:57):
And this has becomes like a major influence on like
American anarchism later and in response to the fact that
these people very nearly on multiple occasions, like very nearly,
take Italy, a combination of rut wing fascist groups and
organizations inside of and sort of parallel to the Italian
government developed this thing called the strategy of Tension, which
(03:20):
and I think this will to some extent sound familiar
in terms of what's what's happening right now, which is
this strategy of using terrorist attacks and using political violence
to show this like fear and panic and chaos that
would cause people to turn to the state for safety
and cause people to turn specifically to like a stronger,
like more fascist and then eventually just a straight up
(03:42):
fascist state that would permanently destroy the left and you know,
like restore the power of the Nazis, et cetera, et cetera. Well,
I mean that's us selling these people Italian fascists, the
og fascists, well, and also neo fascists too, because they're
these people are very weird Italians.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Yeah, these people are Italians.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, yeah, he said, Kisses. One of the big opening
things is that the Piazza Fontana bombing, which is this
massive bombing that kills nineteen people injures an unbelievable number
of people, and it is immediately blamed on anarchists. There's
an anarchist named Giseppe Pinelli who he's among like eighty
anarchists who arrested. Almost immediately, he like somehow falls out
(04:19):
of a four story window of a police building while
he was being interrogated.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
The Italian state, which will go on to admit a
lot of the shit that it did, maintains to this
day that he just got tired and fell out the
window himself. I'm gonna let you try your artus.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
I think this guy died.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I mean a lot of a lot of anarchists are lazy.
I can see, I can see it happening.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Yeah, there is a good play that I took part
in during high school called Accidental Death of an Anarchist
by Dario Foe. Yeah, which you can enjoy.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
This is the most like James backstory moment ever seen before.
This is wild. Yeah, WHOA someone, someone update the icy
HH wiki page James backstory. This is great. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
In my theater era, who did you play? I can't remember?
It was tragic twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
You should you should have remembered.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Oh, I know. It was very fun. We had a
good soundtrack. It was very enjoyable for me and my friends,
and I'm sure all eight people who watched it also
had a wonderful time.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
So in less fun times, So this bombing was actually
carried out by a group called Ordine Nouvo, which is
it's literally new order fascist groups only have four names.
And this is a group that was aided by a
combination of Italian intelligence and this thing called Gladio, which
was this American netwill sort of stayed behind networking case
(05:50):
with Soviet invasion that had all of these weapons, cashes,
placed around the country that's eventually sort of repurposed into
these fascist terror cells. And they do a lot of these, right,
They do a lot of bombings and they and they
mostly blamed the left for them. Probably the most famous
one is the Bologna train bombing, which killed like eighty
people injured a huge number of other people, was done
by a kind of like like another fascist group.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
This is also a period where like there is real
left wing violence. Right, the left is doing like like well,
one of the things they kidnap bosses and have like
show trials of bosses all the time. They love doing
this factory bosses.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Just like in the Dark Knight Rises by Marxist historian
Christopher Nolan.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
God. I see, I thought you were gonna say, just
like cancel culture.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
But just like just like what the right's doing right
now for anyone who posts about Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
But but there was also stuff like like for example,
Lota Continua, which is a leftist group of staggering complexity,
I like killed the police officer who was interrogating Guiseppe Pinelli.
So you know, like there are left wing assassinations. A
group called the Red Brigades kidnaps the former Prime Minister
of Italy, Aldo Moro. See every other episode where I've
(07:06):
yelled about this. They had been heavily infiltrated and were
sort of being manipulated by a number of intelligence organizations
that if I started listening to them right now, you
would think I was insane.
Speaker 8 (07:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
But the important thing about this period, right, and this
eventually works, it does destroy the left. But the important
thing about the structure of this in the actual years
of lead, is that these are concrete groups, right. They
are shifting, they are flowing, people move between them.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
But actual organized factions anya a legitimate armed struggle.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
I mean, the Red Brigade are literally organized in a
military fashion, right, with like units and command structure.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
But this is also true of like this is also
true of the fascists, right, yeah, and it's also true
of group I mean, you know, like obviously like autonomia
and the sort of like anarchistic communist factions are looser,
but like they're still they still are like organized, and
they're rooted in a whole bunch of different kinds of struggles.
And the strategy of tension is being deliberately managed by
(08:07):
by Italian intelligence and by American intelligence and by a
bunch of other sort of like state groups. And this
is not at all what we're dealing with right now,
not even cla. Yeah, the Charlie Kirk assassination is neither
a guy who was part of like some Marxist group,
nor was it a guy who's like a CIA agent
(08:29):
or something, right.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Like just a guy. It's a guy who got.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Reddit gamer and discord political violence.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, these are these are these, These are decentralized acts
being fueled by sort of radicalization. But they're not like
active intelligence operations.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I mean some of them aren't even fueled by radical
Like even even the word radicalization here is sometimes in miscount.
This one in particular is like not that really a degree.
It seems like a degree of like personal motivation based
on his relationship with his roommate as well as this
general like gen Z sort of nihilism that allows you
(09:06):
to do a pretty wild act like this, I think
specifically in this case, you know, it's like existential violence
manifesting an incredibly political action from someone who otherwise isn't
like overtly political. This guy's not a leftist. It's definitely
not a groeper as I've been trying to argue for
days now. Yeah, but I mean what he did certainly
(09:29):
is is political, even though he's not you know, card carrying,
you know, communist or you know, an anti imperialist, like
the guy who assassinated the tow israel embassy staffers was right,
which is kind of the only arguably like left wing
assassin we've like seen in the past, i don't know,
ten years in the United States, is the guy who
killed the two Israeli embassy staffers. Every other assassin or attended
(09:52):
assassin would not accurately be described as like left wing
in orientation, including someone like Luigi Mangioni, who is very
much which basically a teapot gray tribe libertarian.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, And it's also worth noting that like from the
state end, these like this is not something that was
like deliberately unleashed by the state, except in the sense
of like.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Well some people would argue otherwise.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, but right there, if that's the issue, you know,
like if like the last time we saw something that
you could argue even sort of look like that is
like there is genuinely something kind of suspicious about the
way that a whole bunch of the most famous Black
Lives Matter activists who weren't the ones in the NGO
suddenly turned up dead. That's the closest thing, right, And
(10:37):
that's not even a like, we know they did this,
that's a like and that was and that was over
a decade ago. Yeah, right, that this is this is
a long time ago. And you know, and and I
would argue it's important in that it's part of the
same series of uprisings that like all of this fascist
stuff is a response to right and sense, it's a
response to Ferguson, it's response to twenty twenty. But like
that structure, which is the structure that a lot of
(10:59):
people are using to end is this of just purely
in American years of lead doesn't really work because we're
dealing with something way weirder, yeah, and way less concrete.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Which is why we're calling it something else, the years
of lead paint, because these people are just like because
it is not the result of this large scale like
deep state orchestration, nor these legitimate organized fashions. Everyone is
simply brain rotted.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
To contrast, right in the twentieth century that the prevailing
concept of how the left would change the world was
through the violent capture of state institutions or in the
case of the anarchists, I guess less so that you know,
if we look at like this communist ideal of revolution.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, how's that anarchist revolution going, buddy?
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Well, I mean, these guys are thirty years after the
Spanish Revolution, right, Like it's some of them have seen
anarchists hold whole cities and hold off the country's army.
It's not out of the out of the realm of
possibility for them. That concept of revolution. I mean, it
does exist. It exists with people with like anime Twitter
abbatars still, but like, for the most part, that concept
(12:14):
of revolution is not that relevant in twenty first century
leftist political organizing and so like it cannot be the
same because the nature of the thing, that's the struggle,
it's not the same on the left.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
There isn't even illegitimate left in the United States, like
in any meaningful sense.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Yeah, I mean that there exists, Like I guess it's like,
I don't want to call it incoherent, but like a
lot of the left exists. The people going hardest on
the left are going hardest on the internet. I guess
this is what I want to say, And like this
is nothing like post sixty eight Italy.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
We've seen a nice, nice like resurgence stuff like union
organizing and that's like the most realistic manifestation of the left, but.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
And mutual aid organizing.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
And I will also say we did have the So
this band from twenty eleven to twenty twenty was like
a really massive period of like really large scale street
movement in a way that really terrified these people, Like
twenty fourteen s petificlarly Ferguson and twenty twenty like really
(13:18):
truly rattled the psychology of all of the people who
who are like currently running this country in that it
demonstrated that like, oh damn, there could be a world.
We're like, we're not automatically the superior race and we're
not like treated like that because it's betting bullshit and
(13:39):
people were willing to fight for that. But also like, yeah, no,
like we don't have the kind of like organization or
logistical capacity that like any of these things had, and
it's not clear to me that you like you won't
yet things that look like that anymore.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Yeah, Like as much as like the right wing YouTube
podcast Fear wants to make it the case. First of all,
there is not like an organized revolutionary left in the US,
not a serious one. And secondly, the organized revolutionary left
that existed in twentieth century relied on a network that
was international and that sometimes and not always had its
(14:18):
roots in Soviet I guess foreign policy right. That also
does not like as much as a YouTube world wished
to be the case. China is not sending people little
yellow hard hats to go out in Portland and get
mad at the Feds being there. That is not the case.
Here's an advert for hard hats, which you have to
buy in your own because China is not sending them
(14:40):
to you.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
We're back talking lead paint. Speaking of lead paint, and
in some ways the conspiratory real elements of the years
have led there is no shortage of conspiratorial thought permeating
across the entire spectrum of American politics in ways that
I've never really seen at this scale before, which isn't
(15:12):
saying much, because you know, I'm not, however old James is.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
But I have been.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Gris wo fuck me, but I have been. Monitor industry
was politics for a decent section of time, mainly the
past like seven years, the past like five or so years.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Professionally, We're gonna have to watch another video because of
this whole second of the scarison. I have you known.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I'm actually multiple months later for my workplace harassment training.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
I can see why.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
My god, but it's it's it's it's pretty bad. Just
the the total rejection of reality and the separation of
truth and reality as as coherent concepts. And we've seen
this and some of people's responses across the political spectrum
to the release of alleged text messages between the alleged
(16:09):
shooter of Charlie Kirk and their roommate, which was released
in the indictment that dropped on Monday, which shows the
it lled shooter explaining to their roommate what they did
and like how they did it and in part why
we'll talk more about this in Executive Disorder. These actual
messages and like what they contain, but people's reaction to them,
(16:30):
both on the left and right, have been pretty wild.
Matt Walsh is arguing that these messages were scripted between
the roommate and the shooter as a way to absolve
the transgender roommate, referring to this strategy as being influenced
by Breaking Bad. Breaking Bad is a television show, an
(16:56):
American television show released around two thousand and eight. I'm
not going to explain Breaking.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Bad garretson do you remember that?
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Oh my god, you.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Were like Matt Walsh's Matt Walsh is comparing this to
to something that Walter White did during during Breaking Bad,
saying that this feels like a strategy that these two
people cooked up by watching too much TV, which in
fact just shows that it is Matt Walsh who watches
too much TV by the fact that this is the
first thing he thinks of. But it's not just Walsh. Communists,
(17:27):
anti imperialists, people on the left are spreading a completely
unfounded assertion that this text exchange between the roommate and
the alleged shooter was quote unquote obviously written by an
FBI agent. Posts like this are receiving tens of thousands
of likes cross platforms. Yeah, it's such a misunderstanding of
how state craft works and how like the legal system
(17:50):
works that people communists really think that this state of
Utah could could orchestrate and convincingly, convincingly orchestra completely faked
text exchanges like that's just simply not how our legal
system works, and you have people like Hassan spreading this
(18:10):
sort of stuff. Yeah. Quote, half of the right thinks
the messages are fake because it doesn't implicate the transperson.
The other half thinks the shooter is a patsy because
it was Israel that killed Charlie Kirk. I will say
the text messages are too perfectly plugging holes for the
investigators unnatural, like come on, come on, come on, guys.
(18:30):
This is like I don't even know what to like
argue with with, Like there's no way to argue against
people who believe in this in any kind of real way.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Yeah, right, Like how do you someone who has rejected facts, Like,
how do you bring them back?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
They have to argue in court that the led shooter
actually did the shooting, right, That's what they're trying to establish. Yeah,
this is the evidence that will be agreed upon as
as evidence. To introduce the text messages in court, the
DA will have to prove their authenticity through chain of
custody and metadata. The reason why they were released now
is because they were included in the indictment laying out
(19:07):
the charges against Tyler Robinson. Robinson might use some odd words,
but he was raised Mormon, and all of this just
tracks at a face level to me. He's explaining his
actions to the person that he loves and instructs them
to delete the messages. He doesn't think that these are
going to come back to hurt him. And this isn't
just Betel's FBI saying this. This is the work of
(19:29):
local police and State of Utah police in the State
of Utah court. And this rejection of evidence, not what
the evidence argues, just the base evidence itself. Follows a
week of debate regarding this shooter's political orientation, which me
and Robert already discussed in an episode earlier this week.
And I understand people's intensity around this issue, especially framing
(19:51):
it in this years of led concept right of the
right using this to majorly crack down on trans people
and on the left, which yeah, they're been to tried
to do. But trying to argue at this point that
he's a groyper is just so faulty, And trying to
argue that these text messages are faked somehow, similarly, is
(20:12):
just so faulty and is so detached from how this
situation actually happened and how it fits in to the
current dynamic of political violence in the United States. On
that topic, a few days ago, Fox News is the
Five was debating if they needed more information to definitively
say that the shooter was on quote unquote the left.
(20:33):
Greg Gutfield went on about how high profile liberal and
left wing figures aren't being assassinated by people on the
right and wrote off the murder of Minnesota House Speaker
Melissa Hartman and her husband.
Speaker 9 (20:47):
We don't need more information, really, yes, we don't need it.
What is interesting here is why is only this happening
on the left and not the right.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
That's all we need to know about that.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
There was absolutely no call you want.
Speaker 9 (21:01):
To talk about Melissa Oorsman. Did you know her name
before it happened? None of us did. None of us
were spending every single day talking about missus Hortman.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
I never heard of her until after she died.
Speaker 9 (21:12):
Matter, And don't play that bullshit with me.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
You know what I'm talking.
Speaker 9 (21:17):
What I'm saying is there was no demonization amplification about
that woman before she died. It was a specific crime
against her by somebody who knew her. The same thing
you can bring up Josha Piro, but then you will
not bring up, for example, that that.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Was a pro Palestine person. So don't use your what
about this. The fact, the fact of the.
Speaker 9 (21:36):
Matter is the both sides argument not only doesn't fly,
we don't care.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
We don't care.
Speaker 9 (21:44):
About your both sides argument that shit is dead. For
one thing, there is no cognitive dissonance on our side.
On your side, your beliefs do not match reality. So
you're coming up with these rationalizations like.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
What about this or what about that?
Speaker 9 (22:01):
We're not doing that because we saw it happen. We
saw a young bright man assassinated.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
And we know who did it.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So if you look at like left wing violence or
violence targeting right wing figures, even just like the past
two years, right, there's the two attempted Trump assassinations, which
the right frames as left wing violence. Though the first
Trump shooter did not have left wing politics. They had
more of the psychological profile of a school shooter who
was looking to do something to get into history books
(22:32):
and came from a conservative upbringing. This person was on
a leftist right. But this is still targeting a right
wing figure, so it's framed in this same conversation the
United Healthcare assassination. Similarly, right, this wasn't a left wing
person who did this, but targeting a CEO on a
healthcare topic associates it with the left or with progressive
(22:53):
stances around healthcare. There's the arson against Jos Shapiro's home.
The guy who did this had a mixture of like
approach Trump background, but with pro Palestine motivations. The most
clear example would be the murder of two Israeli Emacy
staffers and now the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
With the healthcare stuff, like, we should probably point out
that Trump also ran on like medicine is too expensive, right,
it would cost too much to get the pills you
need to stay alive. Like that has been a cornerstone
of his platform too. It can be framed as like
a populist sentiment of populist stunce, yeah, yeah, not necessarily
a leftist one.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
So that's the political background that these people on the
right are coming from, right, Like, that's how they see
see this. That that's like this spike and loft being
violence that they're seeing refers to this collection of acts. Now.
For Media has reported that a few days after Charlie
Kirk's assassination. The Department of Justice removed from their website
(23:48):
a National Institute of Justice research study showing a white
supremacist and far right violence far outweighs any other type
of terrorism or domestic violent extremism. Quote. Since nineteen ninety,
far right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides
than far left or radical Islamist extremists, including two hundred
(24:08):
and twenty seven events that took more than five hundred
and twenty lives. In the same period, far left extremists
committed forty two ideologically motivated attacks that took seventy eight lives.
So this study has been scrubbed from the website to
follow in line with Trump and the right's general talking
(24:29):
points about this spike in left wing violence. I think
in part, the right would view explicit white supremacist, neo
Nazi linked violence as like separate from like, you know,
conservative even some like far right violence. They don't understand
the linkage from you know, explicit white supremacist mass shootings
(24:49):
and you know, make America great again. Right, That's something
that they would like reject as a legitimate coupling.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
In Congress today cashpitel that claimed to have no idea
who did? Then Rufe was correct and like what he
was about.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
A lot of them just aren't aware of this stuff.
And it's not just this National Institute Justice study. These
findings are incredibly consistent across multiple studies. The notably not
left wing Cato Institute found very similar results in their
analysis of six hundred and twenty politically motivated murders since
nineteen seventy five, excluding nine to eleven, most political violence
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comes from the right. They counted three hundred ninety one
murders from the right and sixty five from the left.
Can link that below to get a better look at
their actual methodology and what they count as right wing
what they count as left wing violence. But these stats
simply don't matter to the right. In a lot of cases,
many average rightists will just reject these results altogether, say
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that the study is faked or had faulty methodology, But
others might frame it as even if this data is true,
it doesn't match the current trend of escalating left wing violence,
specifically targeted left wing violence, not just mass shootings. Here's
another clip from Fox's The Five.
Speaker 9 (26:03):
I Understand why people are saying what about this?
Speaker 4 (26:06):
And what about this?
Speaker 9 (26:07):
Because if you have to face the underlying fact to this,
your life is going to fall apart because you're going
to realize you're not the good guys. If you sat
around and you defended the mutilation of children, you're not
the good guys.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
If you sat six hundred seven.
Speaker 9 (26:23):
Hundred cases of harassment against Republicans and you said, but
what about this?
Speaker 4 (26:28):
What about this?
Speaker 9 (26:28):
And then you see this murder after calling somebody a
fashion you fascist, you realize maybe I'm not the good guy.
That is a hell of a realization to deal with.
So therefore, therefore you have to grasp at rationalizations.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
You don't have to do that, Jessica. They do. I
don't believe you're part of that group.
Speaker 9 (26:47):
But why the hell do you have to mimic an
echo that.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Crap to us? He was a patsy. That guy was
a patsy.
Speaker 9 (26:55):
He was under the hypnotic spell of a direct to
consumer nihil, the trans cult. And you know that if
you can decide that biology is false, you can agree
that that murder is okay and that humanity is expendable.
How you cannot see that.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Alone and see that for what.
Speaker 9 (27:16):
The evil it is without having to attach all of
these other things is beyond me.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
His explicit claim that we should just like flag is
that it's not He's not necessarily talking about leftists as
a whole. He's specifically talking about people who accept the
trans people are people of being and like that the
existence of trans people leads to this nihilism.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I guess, well, yeah, I mean they see the existent
trans people as like a result of this nihilist culture, right, yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Well, he seemed to put the cause all hour the
other way though, in that he seemed to suggest that
the nihilism comes from accepting trans people.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I guess I don't fully agree that that's how he's
saying it. I think they view it as it's both
caused but also a symptom. I think they play it
kind of both ways and showing how it's it's more
so just like the result of this like breakdown in
like a moral fabric, right, which is then breaking down
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this like notion of reality, which is right, like you know,
transness is such an existential threat to the right wing
worldviewing like many senses. But that's another topic. I do
find it interesting how quick these people are just completely
discount right wing mass shootings, right, And I think one
key difference in talking about, you know, left wing violence
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is right ring violence, it seems, and almost all their
examples here they're talking about assassinations targeted against specific people.
Most right wing violence in these like statistics from like
CATO and the National Institute of Justice are are mass shootings,
right that the number of individual people might not be
that different, but the kill count for right wing and
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specifically like white supremacist attacks are so much higher. I
don't think it's the actual numbers that matter to these people,
it's their proximity to being the recipient of such violence
that really freaks them out. For these commentators, the likelihood
of them being in a black church when a white
pharmacist mass shooting happens is slimtonon right, Like, that's never
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gonna happen to these people, But being the victim of
targeted violence against a high profile figure is to them
it seems like an increasing possibility, and that really freaks
them out. Like obviously this type of attack directly affects
their political class in a way that a far right
mass shooting does not. I think that is influencing the
way that they're talking about this, you know, quote unquote
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spike in left wing violence. We're gonna go on an
ad break and then return to talk about Jed Vance's
temporary takeover of the Charlie Kirk Show and how his
rhetoric is affecting this general debate on political violence. Okay,
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we are back. On Monday, September fifteenth, Vice President jd
Vance hosted The Charlie Kirk Show from his office in
the White House Complex, the Vice President sitting down hosting
a private citizens radio talk show. The show's intro has
clips from Charlie's studio with signs that read big Gov
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socks warning does not play well with liberals. To introduce
the show, Jade Vance says that, quote, we have to
talk about this incredibly destructive moment of left wing extremism
that has grown up over the last few years. We're
going to talk about how to dismantle that and how
to bring real unity unquote. His first guest was Stephen Miller.
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Ben said he wanted to talk to Miller about quote
all the ways we're trying to figure out how to
prevent this festering violence that you can see from the
far left becoming even more and more mainstream.
Speaker 7 (30:57):
You have the crazies on the far left were saying, Oh,
Stephen Miller and JD. Vance, they're going to go after
constitutionally protected speech, and we're going to go after the
NGO network that fomens facilitates and engages in violence that's
not okay. Violence is not okay in our system, and
we want to make it less likely that that happens.
(31:17):
Walk me through at a high level, like what you
and I have been working on, what the whole administration
has been working on to try to make sure that
we don't reward and promote this craziness.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yes, so it's an excellent question. I've said this before,
but there's repeating. The last message that Charlie sent me
was I think it was just the day before we
lost him, which is that we need to have an
organized strategy to go after the lefting organizations that are
promoting violence in this country. And I will write those
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words onto my heart and I will carry them out.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
The NGO network.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Yep, Yeah, this has been a thing with them for
a while.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yes, there was supposed to be a series of executive
orders that were drafted earlier this year, specifically targeting Democrat
funding platforms like Act Blue and environmental NGOs that it
was reported that Trump was about to sign and then
they kind of disappeared. This was around like April to May.
And this has been something that they obviously have been
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wanting to do, but for one reason or another, haven't
followed through on yet. But now are are talking about
this as an impending policy that the Trump administration is
going to enact.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
I think some of their fascination with NGOs comes from
the Trump administration's first term, when NGOs were very successful
in bringing suits that delayed or prevented some of the
policies that the mill of faction of the Trump administration
would have liked to implement.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah, and then I think the other angle of this
is just a pure idy Semitism mango that partly when
they're saying NGOs they mean NGO's and partly when they're
saying NGOs they mean Jews. And it's great.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
It's very often this specific focus is on he s right,
highest Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society. Who I mean, we see
this in the Tree of Life shooting for instance in
twenty eighteen. Right, this has been with us for some
time on the right.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I'm going to play another clip where they outline more
strategies for clamping down on left wing violence.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
And we are going to channel all of the anger
that we have over the organized campaign that led to
this assassination to uproot and dismantle these terrorist networks. So
let me explain a bit of what that means. So
thirty seconds, it'll be quick stephen the organized docs and campaigns,
the organized riots, the organized street violence, the organized campaigns
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of dehumanization, vilification, posting people's addresses, combining that with messaging
this design to trigger inside violence, and the actual organized
cells that carry out facilitate the violence. It is a
vast domestic terror movement. And with the Goddess my witness,
we are going to use every resource we have at
the Department of Justice, Homeland Security, and throughout this government
to identify, disrupt, dismantle, and destroy these networks and make
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America safe again for the American people.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
It will happen, and we will do it in Charlie's name.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
So in their discussion of taking down this big doxing network,
they also inadvertently and ironically describe the doxing campaign that
the right is currently doing at a far larger scale
and with way more institutional backing than any antif for
left being, doxing has looked like targeting people making posts
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in support of Charlie Kirk's assassination or people making jokes
about Charlie Kirk in the wake of his assassination, with
a doxing website listing thousands of quote unquote Charlie's murderers,
which are actually just people who have made posts about
the death of Charlie Kirk. This is building off the
Canary Mission strategy used against pro Palestinian Act savists, which
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has been adopted by the State Department for Immigration Enforcement
and judging visa applications. This is the actual, like organized,
state backed, institutionally backed dosing campaign that exists right now
in this country. It's not your average torch Antifa chapter
doing this at scale now. It's the right with the
mechanism of state encouraging them, backing them, and tons of
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money being funneled into an organized operation to actually impact
state policy on who gets allowed in the country. On
that note, Mark Rubio has talked about denying visa applications
for people who celebrate the death of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 10 (35:40):
We are not in the business of inviting people to
visit our country who are going to be involved in
negative and destructive behavior. Okay, so why should if I
invite someone? If we invite someone to visit the United
States of America as a student, as a tourist, as whatever,
then they have a different The standard they should be
held to is very high. We shouldn't be bringing people
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into this country. We should not be giving visas to
people who are going to come to the United States
and do things like celebrate the murder, the execution, the
assassination of a political figure. We should not And if
they're already here, we should be revoking their visa.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
So now there's an organized campaign to not only try
to deport and revoke visas or deny visas to people
quote unquote celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk, but also
get citizens here fired from their jobs and disrupt their life.
Just two years ago, Elon Musk tweeted, quote, if you
were unfairly treated by your employer due to posting or
liking something on this platform Twitter, we will fund your
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legal bill, no limit. Please let us know unquote what's
different about the right use of these tactics is the
merger of like the right wing non government organization like
activist apparatus with the ruling conservative government. Like the Dems
in the left, have never done this before. There's never
been this coordination between the actual democratic establishment and like
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the far left. That's never happened. Like Palestine crackdowns started
under Biden. Biden's DOJ prosecuted many twenty twenty, George Floyd
uprising cases, federal assistance, and the domesti terrorism investigation into
cop City started under Biden. As for quote unquote organized
riots and street violence, right wing street violence has been
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encouraged and coordinated with Trump and the Trump administration stand
back and stand by to stop the steal protests leading
to January sixth, which Trump played a large part in
making happen, and then Trump pardoned all the participants.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
Yeah, it's it's pretty clear.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
The mayor of Minneapolis taking a knee is not on
the same level as Trump pardoning all the January sixth
quote unquote insurrectionists. At the end of Vance's two hour
long episode, he reiterated on the topic of doxing and harassment,
campaigns and political violence. Here's another clip.
Speaker 7 (38:00):
I wrote a story in The Nation magazine about my
dear friend Charlie Kirk. Now The Nation is in a
fringe blog. It's a well funded, well respected magazine whose
publishing history goes back to the American Civil War. George
Soros's Open Society Foundation funds this magazine, as does the
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Ford Foundation and many other wealthy titans of the American
progressive movement.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
The writer accuses Charlie.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
Of saying, and I quote, black women do not have
brain processing power to be taken seriously.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
But if you go and watch the clip, the very.
Speaker 7 (38:39):
Clip she links to, you realize he never said anything
like that. He never uttered those words. He made an
argument against affirmative action as a policy, He criticized a
specific Supreme Court justice as an individual. He never said
anything about black women as a group. He made an
argument for judging people of all races and backgrounds by
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their own individual merits. The very evidence she provides, this
hack of a writer shows that she lied about a
dead man, and yet she wrote it, an esteemed magazine
published it, it made it through the editors, and of
course liberal billionaires rewarded that attack. Now, of course, even
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if Charlie had uttered those words, It wouldn't mean that
he deserved his fate, But consider the level of propaganda
at work. Charlie was gunned down in broad daylight, and
well funded institutions of the left lied about what he
said so as to justify his murder.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
This is soulless and evil.
Speaker 7 (39:47):
But I was struck not just by the dishonesty of
this smear, but by the glee over a young husband's
and young father's death.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Quote.
Speaker 7 (39:57):
She says he was an unrepentant racist, transphobe, homophobe, and misogynist.
The Nation wrote, who often wrapped his bigotry in Bible verses.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
There's a lot to break down there.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
First of all, the president of the Nation, not the
Country the magazine. The Nation magazine has stated that they,
in fact, do not receive money from George Soros or
the Open Society Foundation. Vance's gesturing two left wing billionaires
carries three parentheses around that term. Second of all, let's
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play the actual clip of Charlie talking about brain processing power.
Speaker 8 (40:39):
Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sila Jackson Lee and
Catangi Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks. We would have
been called the BIS. But now they're coming out and
they're saying it for us. They're coming out and they're saying,
I'm only here because of affirmative action. Yeah, we know,
you do not have the brain processing power to otherwise
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be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a
white person slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
So he just happens to be talking about three black
women and state that they do not have the brain
processing power to do their jobs and that they stole
a white man's spot, yet in the position they are
in now. An opinion writer for The Washington Post was
fired this week for sharing this quote on Twitter, which
replaced the names of the three women's talking about with
just black women.
Speaker 5 (41:30):
Did she share it like in between quotation marks if
it was a direct quotation.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
She did share it as if it was a direct quotation.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
Okay, I see.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
So I'm going to read this from the email that
they sent this writer firing her. This writer is a
black woman. Among other requirements, the company wide social media
policy mandates that all employees social media postings be respectful
and prohibits postings that disparage people based on their race, gender,
or other protected characteristics. The policy also mind's employees that
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everything they post is reflective on the company and should
not affect the integrity of the post journalism. You're posting
some blue sky which identify you as a post columnist
about white men in response to the killing of Charlie Kirk,
do not comply with our policy. For example, you posted
refusing to tear my clothes and smear ashes on my
face and performative morning for a white man that espoused
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violence is not the same thing as violence. And part
of what keeps America violent is the insistence that people
perform care, empty goodness and absolution for white men who
espoused hatred and violence. So this is explicitly a a
They think that reverse racism is real, and that's saying
that and talking about white people as a class of
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people in the US that are responsible for things is
in fact racism. That is, that is the argument that
the post the Washington Post is making in the email
where they fire her, which is like that reverse racism shit,
even like three years ago was like a pretty fringe
right wing like like that was a knot. It was
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originally like a Nazi thing, right And this is now
being used by like the Washington Post to fire their
own writers for writing really incredibly reasonable things about Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
To close Charlie Kirk's episode, and to close our episode.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
JD.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Vance talked about before we can have any national unity,
we must, like Charlie, tell the truth.
Speaker 7 (43:30):
Unity Real unity can be found only after climbing the
mountain of truth. And there are difficult truths we must
confront in our country. One truth is that twenty four
percent of self described quote very liberals believe it is
acceptable to be happy about the death of a political opponent,
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while only three percent of self described very conservatives agree.
Three percent is too many, of course. Another truth is
that twenty six percent of young liberals believe political violence
is sometimes justified, and only seven percent of young conservatives
say the same. Again to high a number in a
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country of three hundred and thirty million people. You can,
of course find one person of a given political persuasion
justifying this or that or almost anything, but the data
is clear people on the left are much likelier to
defend and celebrate political violence.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
This is not a both sides problem.
Speaker 7 (44:35):
If both sides have a problem, one side has a
much bigger and malignant problem, and that is the truth.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
We must be told.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
So these stats are from a recent you gov survey
where twenty four percent of very liberals to say it's
okay to be happy with the murder of a political opponent,
and twenty six percent of young liberals to say sometimes
political violence is justified for two seven percent of young conservatives.
This study also found that Democrats and Republicans are more
likely to say that political violence is a big problem
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after attacks on members of their own party. Of course,
this polling is going to be heavily influenced by whatever
recent events just happened. That's going to change people's stated
opinion on these questions. After the assassination of Charlie Kirk,
sixty seven percent of Republicans so that political violence is
a very big problem. Fifty eight percent of Democrats agreed.
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After the assassination of Melissa Hartman, fifty six percent of
Democrats said it's a very big problem. Only forty four
percent of Republicans agreed. After the assassination attempt on Josh Shapiro,
forty four percent of Democrats, thirty seven percent of Republicans.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
Wait, just Shapiro wasn't assassinated?
Speaker 7 (45:45):
Right?
Speaker 2 (45:46):
They tried to ban his houseing. Yeah, they're counting that
as an attempt assassination.
Speaker 5 (45:49):
Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
After the attendive assassination on Donald Trump, fifty one percent
of Republicans said political balance is a very big problem,
forty six percent of Demi democrats, And after the attacks
on Paul Pelosi, fifty three percent of Democrats said political
violence is a very big problem, compared to thirty one
percent of Republicans. These stats are very fluid and absolutely
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changed depending on whatever current events were current at the time,
whatever just happened. We're going to talk about this more
in a bit, but I think the way that we
frame cheering on political violence also massively varies based on
what you count as political violence. Is a police killing
count as political violence? If so, that's going to majorly
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affect the way we think about this question. Here's Vance
again talking about Trump's assassination and the pyramid that supports
political violence.
Speaker 7 (46:43):
Now, any political movement, violent or not violent.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
Is a collection of forces.
Speaker 7 (46:47):
It's like a pyramid that stacks on top one support
on top of the other. That Peermid's got a foundation
of donors, of activists, of journalists. Now, social media influenceers
and of course, of politicians. Not every member of that
pyramid would commit a murder. In fact, over ninety nine
percent I'm sure would not. But by celebrating that murder,
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apologizing for it, and emphasizing not Charlie's innocence, but the
fact that he said things some didn't like, even to
the point of lying about what he actually said, many
of these people are creating an environment where things like
this are inevitably going to happen.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Benson goes on to talk about how people yelled at
him and his family when he visited Disneyland, and discusses
how after Charlie's death, one of his friends and a
senior White House staffer had left leaning operatives in his neighborhood,
passing out leaflets telling people what he looked like and
where he'd lived, and quote encouraging neighbors to harass him
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or God forbid to do worse. While he was mourning
his dead friend, he and his wife had to worry
about the political terrorists drawing a big target on his home.
He shares with his own children. Are these people violent?
I hope not? But are they guilty of encouraging violence?
You damn well better believe it. We can thank God
that most Democrats don't share these attitudes, and I do.
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While acknowledging that something has gone very wrong with a
lunatic fringe, a minority, but a growing and powerful minority
on the far left, Vansk goes on to state that
he seeks no unity with the far left.
Speaker 7 (48:24):
There is no unity with people who scream at children
over their parents' politics. There is no unity with someone
who lies about what Charlie Kirk said in order to
excuse his murder.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
There is no.
Speaker 7 (48:36):
Unity with someone who harasses an innocent family the day
after the father of that family lost a dear friend.
There is no unity with the people who celebrate Charlie
Kirk's assassination. And there is no unity with the people
who fund these articles, who pay the salaries of these
terrorist sympathizers, who argue that Charlie Kirk, a loving husband
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and father, deserved a shot to the neck because he
spoke words with which they disagree.
Speaker 4 (49:06):
Did you know that the George Soros.
Speaker 7 (49:09):
Open Society Foundation and the Ford Foundation, the groups who
funded that disgusting article justifying Charlie's death, Do you know
they benefit from generous tax treatment. They are literally subsidized
by you and me, the American taxpayer. And how do
they reward us by setting fire to the house built
by the American family over two hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
On September thirteenth, Fox and News Morning host Brian Kilmeade
endorsed youuthanizing homeless people with quote involuntary lethal injection or something.
Just kill them.
Speaker 6 (49:46):
Billions of dollars some mental health and the homeless population.
A lot of them don't want to take the programs.
A lot of them don't want to get the help
that is necessary. You can't give them a choice. Either
you take the resources that we're going to give you
and or you decide that you got to be locked
up in jail.
Speaker 11 (50:02):
That's the way it has to be now, or involuntary
lethal injection or something.
Speaker 10 (50:06):
I just kill him, Jim, Brian, Why did it have
to get to this point?
Speaker 8 (50:09):
Right?
Speaker 11 (50:09):
I would say this, we're not voting for the right
people in North Carolina.
Speaker 8 (50:12):
Wake up.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Just kill them.
Speaker 5 (50:14):
Geez.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
A Fox News host advocating the killing of homeless people,
and he didn't get fired from this. He apologized a
few days later, but he's not getting fired from his
job for this openly advocating the death of homeless people.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
Yeah, murder, And I think it's worth noting whatever we're
having a discussion about political violence, that two days after
Charlie Kirk was shot, Ice just killed a guy in
Chicago who was driving away from their attempt to detain him.
He was driving away pretty slowly and there's video of it.
Speaker 10 (50:49):
Now.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
They pulled out their guns and they killed him. And
you know, all of these people, who are the people
who ordered Ice into this city, right, who are directly
responsible for the deaths of this man who was also
a single father. Actually well, no, Kirk was not a
single father, but this guy was and was just murdered
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in cold blood by Ice.
Speaker 7 (51:14):
Right.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
This is not considered political violence by sort of either
liberals or conservatives, right, because they don't think that political
violence can be done by the state. And this is
also part of how you get to the situation now
where you can be like, well, the states should just
murder homeless people and that's not considered political violence because
it's the state doing it and because they don't think
homeless people are people.
Speaker 5 (51:35):
Yeah, I mean to broaden that statement slightly or take
a different angle on it, right, Like there is a
complete bipartisan consensus that we should kill hundreds of people
a year acrossing our southern border because that supposedly serves
as a deterrent from other people coming, which it doesn't.
But that is not seen as political violence.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
Now, they just murdered three more people on a boat
like leaving Venezuela a few days ago.
Speaker 5 (51:57):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
Events ended the Charlie Kirk Show episode. He advocated that
listeners find and call the employers of people celebrating Charlie
Kirk's death to join a TEPA USA chapter or to
run for office.
Speaker 7 (52:14):
But I promise you that we will explore every option
to bring real unity to our country and stop those
who would kill their fellow Americans because they don't like
what they say.
Speaker 4 (52:26):
But you have a role too. Civil society, Charlie.
Speaker 7 (52:29):
Understood this well, is not just something that flows from
the government. It flows from each and every one of us.
It flows from all of us. So when you see
someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them out in hell, call
their employer. We don't believe in political violence, but we
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do believe in civility, and there is no civility in
the celebration of political assassination.
Speaker 5 (52:56):
The idea of the fusion of the state with civil
society is really notable there, Like, that's not what civil
society is, right, That is a concept that is inherently totalitarian,
that civil society should flow downstream from the state and
the movement.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
It's this fusion between the two that the right has
deployed so successfully, Yeah, which has increased their ability to
actually like rule.
Speaker 5 (53:19):
Yeah, I mean that's that's what fatism does, right, Like
that that's yeah, Franco, that's Hitler like, like that is textbook.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
That's like the point of the brown Shirts, yeah.
Speaker 5 (53:28):
Or like the Women's movement in Spain. Right to give
a more civil society example, they're not like they're not
like a state police agency. There are a civil society
organization explicitly run by the state for its agenda.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
So to return to the years of lead Paint idea
that opened this episode, what I'm observing right now across
the political ocean is this flattening of tactics. As I
discussed on the show before in the Blue on episodes,
the right trojan horst political conspiracism into acceptable political discourse,
which the left is now embracing. Liberals and the left,
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and you can see this with people's reactions to the
Charter assassination and theories about the alleged shooter. So the
left is embracing conspiracy theories. Meanwhile the right is adopting
and accelerating political cancel culture style docsing. The key difference
here is on the right, these actions have state backing
and coordination, or serve to maintain state power. For example,
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there's types of political violence that get cheered on by
the right, such as deportations and the cheering on of
police after officer involved shootings. Back the blue keeps alignment
with state power. Same thing with cheering on or encouraging
violence against BLM protesters that supports the state structure and
(54:48):
advocating or celebrating the deaths of protesters gets viewed very
differently than the targeted assassinations that have happened the past
year and now the past few days, Trump has discussed
once again designating Antifa and other groups as domestic terror
organizations and bringing RICO charges against Code Pink activists who
(55:10):
screamed at him at a restaurant in d C a
few weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (55:14):
Do you plan on designating Antifa finally a domestic terror organization.
Speaker 7 (55:20):
Well, it's something I would do, Yeah, if I have
support from the people back here.
Speaker 4 (55:25):
I think would start with PAM, I.
Speaker 3 (55:26):
Think, but I would if you give me, I would
do that one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (55:30):
And others also, by the way, but Antifa is terrible.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
There are other groups. Yeah, there are other groups.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
We have some pretty radical groups and they got away
with murder.
Speaker 4 (55:41):
And also I've been speaking to.
Speaker 7 (55:43):
The Attorney General about bringing RICO against some of the
people that you've been reading about that have been putting
up millions and millions of dollars for agitation.
Speaker 4 (55:51):
This is these aren't protests.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
These are crimes what they're doing where they're throwing bricks
at cars of the of Ice and Border Patrol. I
want to close by. You know, we've seen the sort
of repercusions that people have had, not even for like
celebrating Charlie Kirk's death, but for like being like, wait,
this guy fucking sucks and this whole you know, this
whole argument about civility. And I mean that, I mean
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the Vice President of the United States is making right.
I want to read this quote from Matt Walsh as
we're recording this This is from Tuesday, September sixteenth. This
was left wing LGBT terrorism. There was never much doubt.
Now there is none at all. All left wing terror
networks must be crushed, all of the terrorists and their
helpers and funders must be arrested, prosecuted, and put to death.
(56:38):
So and there have been absolutely zero consequences for again
Matt Walsh calling for this whole network of people that
he imagines exists being executed. That's their endgame, right, It
is to destroy the concept of free speech in order
to preserve quote unquote free speech right, in order to
sort of quote unquote end political violence. They want to
carry out, you know, mass political killings of their opponents,
(57:01):
coordinated at a state level with state resources.
Speaker 10 (57:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
Yeah, and the state involvement makes it okay, That makes
it a moral action, not the actions of some like
unhinged terrorist.
Speaker 3 (57:12):
Yeah. And this is a really significant problem for the
way that we think about political violence, because this is
something that's true for both liberals and conservatives that they
think that the state is the appropriate arbiter for this
kind of political violence, which is how Obama can do
a drone strike on a sixteen year old American citizen
and kill him in cold blood because Obama had political
(57:33):
disagreements with his father, right, and how this is some
treated as something that's fine by a huge portion of liberals.
And this is one of the things that's going to
allow if these people are successful, and I don't know
that they will be, but if they can be, that's
going to be.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
Why well, that is how we at the show understand
the years of lead Pain, or the current twenty twenty
five Timber era of the years of lead Paint. There's
phantoms everywhere, there's conspiracies everywhere and nowhere, and the specter
(58:11):
of political violence is around every corner.
Speaker 11 (58:18):
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