Casey Wilson on Clue

What a wonderful experience it was to have actress Casey Wilson pop into the studio after getting in touch with Chuck as a fan of Stuff You Should Know. Casey is the best, and drops some serious knowledge on Chuck's brain in terms of comedy and improv, and some great insight as Movie Crush's first Saturday Night Live cast member. Then, they really geek out on a movie they both adore... CLUE.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Hey, everybody, Welcome to Movie Crush Interview Edition, Friday Interview Edition.
And boy, everyone, I had a great time this week
talking with Casey Wilson. You know Casey from Jeez, everything
from Saturday Night Live to the wonderful show Happy Endings
to a show that I loved that wasn't around nearly

(00:47):
long enough called Marry Me on NBC, and various other things.
Casey is super talented and funny and a really great
writer and comedian and improv comedian and actor. And she
got in touch with me, which was great. She hit
me up and said, hey, dude, I got your email
from Janet Varney and uh, I'm a big stuff you

(01:07):
should know listener for a long time and I'm in
town and I just wanted to say hi and thanks
and and I immediately got selfish and emailed her back
and said, hey, can you come in for a movie Crush?
And she did so like the next day or maybe
the day after that or something like that. And her
movie pick was Clue, which really excited me, a movie

(01:28):
I love in a door and have for many many
years that a movie that did not get It's do
and It's Day, but has since grown to have a
large deserved cult following, and Casey love Clue and we
were both way into talking about it. So she came
in and just couldn't have been nicer and lovelier and friendlier,

(01:48):
and she uh. We talked about SNL as as the
first cast member from Saturday Outlive to be in here.
I peppered her with questions about that, and she talked
about TV and improv and her backstory, and then we
got into Clue and it was pretty fun. So give
a listen right now to Casey Wilson on Clue. But

(02:11):
a technical malfunction and we were talking about our close
to three year old children who are monsters. They're both terrifying.
I haven't met your daughter. I'm sure she's wonderful. She
would be around you. I know she would show off
and you would think she's the sweetest little pie ever.
I know you think my son is like a little
shy guy. I mean, while he's like sho shoves me. Well,

(02:36):
our deal is if she is um the biggest challenges
if we're anywhere where there's any fun being had, it's
a nightmare to leave. Yes, it's a transition, Yeah, just
a nightmare. We tried the preparation, like you know, we're
gonna have to go. We're backing things up like five hours,
five hours we're going to leave the pool. Yeah, it's

(02:57):
a meltdown now every time you leave anywhere, to the
point where like, is it worth it to even go anywhere?
I feel Samily, should I just sit in this one
room and just we'll do everything here, everything that can
be done. You were talking about l A parenting, and
I'm I'm sure it's even worse than Atlanta. There's a
lot there. Yeah, there's I was in this class well

(03:18):
meaning parents. You know, everyone wants to just do the
best they can, of course, but this one mom was
like almost in tears because she said she got she's
afraid that Siri is going to make not Seria Alexa.
She's like, I'm just really afraid, like my daughter is
gonna think we're all run by robots. Serious, dead as serious.

(03:38):
And then another woman was like, you know, I just
want to tell everyone there's this coach you can get
to come to the house and kind of deep clutters.
I'm thinking, like, oh, I could tea clutterer. That's something.
She's like, it's for children's development. They'll take any clothes
off any animals, like stuffed animals, because we don't want
children to think that bears wear clothes in nature's like
what like you know, we just don't want to tell

(04:00):
them that. Lie huh yeah, all right, well we haven't
experienced Well, I was telling you. I was just there.
It's always nice to visit. And he still lived there. Yeah,
oh you did. Yeah, I lived there for like four
or five years. Did you like it? I did. I
was there early two thousand's and I really enjoyed it
for a while. Uh, and then was ready to leave

(04:24):
and you know, go like buy a house, something that
I could have never done out there, even though looking
back it was maybe have been possible, but not now. Yeah. No,
it's it's not an easy place for that. No, But
I like this thing still. Yeah, it's a lot of fun.
So where are you from. I'm from Virginia, right outside
d in Alexandria. Nice. Do you consider yourself Southern? No?

(04:48):
And to be honest, because my family is fairly liberal
and we live so close to D see, I and
I don't know if it's a geography problem. I didn't
know I was souther and really until like I got
to n y U and everyone's like, oh, you're from
the South, because I don't hear much of an accent.
Well drama training, right, No, but I don't think of
it that way because everyone was so liberal where we

(05:08):
grew up. But it is the South. Um, didn't I
read that your parents were on opposite sides of the
political I was trying to kind of no, I do.
I do. My mom is he was a huge Democrat
and kind of feminist, trying to get women elected in
the r a amendment passed in the eighties, and my
father hated women. Yeah, she hates women and my father

(05:29):
also hates them. Yet I know, and my dad is
a Republican political strategist. It makes political commercials. So was
that I mean, how real was that in the house?
Very real? Really, very real? And I think actually my
mom actually passed away a while ago, but I think
would be much more real now because you know, I
feel like back in the day, if someone was elected,
he didn't like you were bummed, but it wasn't so

(05:50):
kind of heated as though it is now. Yeah, And
I feel like too, when I was growing up there,
I used to hear things like, you know, voting for
the character of the candidate. Uh times even above, like
it seems the dividing line is so harsh now and
it didn't seem like it was. Or maybe I was
just young and naive and didn't get politics. We're not
really different time now, it's quite a time, But it

(06:12):
doesn't seem possible for that marriage to exist today. I
don't know if it would. I've had my dad and
I've had to do some work on our relationship. Although
he will my dad will never his old school. He
won't say who he voted for. I think he doesn't
want to say truly because he didn't vote Republican, but
that's his whole business. He's like, it's my private right, yeah, yeah, what,

(06:33):
But he won't say who we voted for, so it's
kind of actually kept us from conflict. That's old school
for sure. Remember when I was a kid, like you
didn't ask anyone how much money they made, how much
their house cost, or who they voted for. And it's
funny now as an adult, like you can totally tell
all those things just by knowing somebody. I immediately you

(06:54):
take a look at it, or you can just fully
look up, like how much their house cost and what
they make Gonzilo. Oh, yeah that work. If you believe
that site, you can't believe it. I'm pleased with mine.
Are you on there? See I'm not even on there.
I don't even read it. Oh no. You know what's
funny is uh, you know the there's like a celebrity

(07:16):
birthday site and I don't think I'm on it, but
I looked up when my daughter was born. I was like, oh,
I'm just curious to see who who it is? Josh Wow,
and he was on there and they hit share a
Birthday and I didn't like it didn't dawn on me
because I knew when his birthday was, but just I
was in the middle of an adoption, so I wasn't

(07:36):
really thinking clearly. Yeah. Yeah, so I just brought up
the website and that was the first name. Are you
kidding there? Why is he on this? Well that's the
more upsetting piece of it. Yeah, probably probably. So I
was on this. My friend was like, I saw you
all of this website and it was like early in
my career, like, oh, it was like a foot fetish site.
Just really and I feel look great, don't get me wrong,

(07:59):
but no horrible feet like feet people are like, and
they were there, they were in many different strappy heels,
and really it's disgusting and creepy. But then at the
same time, you're like, someone took the time. I can't.
That's it's kind of sweet. So I can't imagine being
in the public eye like that. My feet don't like it.
Like podcast famous is so different. That's why podcasts are

(08:22):
so cool. Nobody cares, but people feel so close to you. Yeah, truly.
I mean I and this sounds strange to say and
want to look away from me to say it, but
I have gone to bed listening to you too in
my ear for years. Yes, I know, dreams about you
guys seeping into my brain. I'm not proud of that,
and I don't want it. Right. We'll get we'll get
out of there. Yeah please, Um, that means a lot.

(08:44):
I really appreciate it because they're in your ear. There's something.
I have a podcast and people come up to me
and they're so it's different than it's almost like how
TV was when you're you know, we were like, oh,
you're in your living rooms like you're in our ears. Yeah.
Like and usually like I guess, people listening in the
car and stuff, but a lot of times it's earbuds.
And there is nothing more intimate than like an earbud

(09:05):
stuffed in your ear and someone speaking to you for
ten years. In our case, ye like it. You know,
people have named kids after us. It's weird. What well
they say that. I'm not convinced. So were you a
drama kid growing up? Yes? I was, but I didn't
do anything professionally. I didn't even know you could do
it professionally. I was like those kids in that TV.

(09:27):
I don't know how they got in there. And so
I did place in my backyard, you know, and the
opening is even worse that my dad found these like
old velvet curtains in the attic, and so we built
a stage and I would just direct and fire the
neighborhood kids and it was kind of unlikeable. Little. Yeah,
a lot of people don't know their lines. Megan Emmons, Yeah,

(09:50):
she knows who she is, she knows what she did,
So you would put them on? Is the writer or
would you write original stuff or just do the original
pieces like Cats the sequel? Really, so someone was inspired
by original material. That's awesome, though, Like, would people come
the neighbors would come, but I would get inventive and
have like firecrackers, little low scale ones going off in

(10:11):
the yard for the finales, and we'd have costume designers
and little Max Fisher a little bit. But my parents said,
neighbors would call crying, like your daughter, you know, told
my daughter she didn't your lines and she's replacing her.
And I would replace everyone. And the problem is, yeah,
and I always gave him apart. Megan knows that her
part was to crouch on the stage with her arm
draped over her head as the telephone. I would just

(10:33):
lift her arm up and she was the phone. How
can you screw that up? Yeah? And how can you
appreciate that? But that's really that's really awesome though. I like,
especially having kids now, like to see that kind of creativity. Um,
that's what you hope for. As apparent, you know, I
have been grateful. I've always known what I want to do,
and maybe I didn't explore enough other things, but it's
been such a clear and actually I'm not trying to

(10:56):
segue for you, but this, the movie I'm going to discuss,
played a huge role in my wanting to be an actress.
Put a pin in that and that's even going to
say it. But you went to NYU though, so like
you were clearly pursuing acting by that point. Yep, I went.
I did like summer theater programs and here and there,
and then did like a little show in d C

(11:17):
that mine has all been Broadway. I thought I was
in the chorus playing a boy and fiddler on the roof.
And then went to my yom and I met my
best dearest friend to this day, June Dian Rafel, who
hosts another podcast How Did This Get Made? And as
an actress, she's great, She's hilarious. And we started living
together and writing sketches together and performing together. Yeah, ucbing

(11:38):
me at a two woman's show, And that's how I
kind of got into comedy. I thought I was going
to be a dramatic actress. Have you is what you're
doing now? Dramatic? Actually? Yeah, this show I'm doing now
is more of a drama d actually, which is good.
I've kind of been in the I think once you.
I was on Saturday Live briefly, and so that kind
of puts you in a bit of a light of

(11:58):
like a sketch performer, but always felt more like an actress.
But every comedian fancies himself a dramatic actor, and every
dramatic actor wants to be a comedian. What's the deal.
I'll tell you what. It only goes one way. I
think you're probably right. Sometimes it goes the other way.
But I do think I think anybody funny if you're not,
I think so, not to put anyone down, but I

(12:21):
think if you have that well of sensitivity and darkness
that's led you to do comedy, it's probably under it
the comedy anyway. So it's kind of easier to go
that way, right, I think, Although there are exceptions, Yeah,
but I think there are plenty more examples going the
way you're talking about. Yeah, for sure. Do you want
to talk about Saturday in life? Will? Of course, because

(12:43):
you're the first person I've had in here who has
been a cast member. Well, I'm not probably the best example,
but I'm happy to talk about it. I think that's
probably where I first saw you, if I'm remembering correctly,
that's where you came on my radar. I think to
begin with, yeah, I think it's the first thing I
was in a quick to procuss movie for like three
lines consideration. Yes, at the very end, and then I

(13:06):
got on st numb. What was that like? Was that
like a big life goal or was it? Yeah? I
mean it's strange because around the time I was doing
the plays and watching us Now, I wrote in my
journal this is cheesy, but I wrote I want to
be on s Now like all over this one journal,
and I was like eleven or ten or eleven. And
then when I was auditioning for the show, my dad

(13:26):
was very sweet facts to the hotel. He found the
journal entrants from why you going through my journals? But
I'll put that aside. And then so when I woke
up on the day of my audition, this guy kind
of put it under the hotel room door, and to
see it, like oh wow, now I'm auditioning, I was
pretty cool, in a good headspace of like if I
even don't get it, it's cool to be here, but

(13:48):
that it was incredibly nerve wracking. But it was almost
so crazy that I kind of felt like, well, this
is so insane that I don't know. I just didn't
want to embarrass myself. That was my main goal, and
everyone said they will not laugh. That's whatever. Once I
kind of knew that right, like Okay, I'm not expecting
this like uproarious moment. That's sort of the deal though,

(14:09):
in like comedy and writer's rooms and stuff. I mean,
people have a good time, but it's sort of serious business,
which is antithetical to the layman. Yeah. I mean I
think if you have like a good comedy room, there's
probably tons of laughs, but it is hard work. Yeah,
it's kind of shitty though to I don't know, not
that they should fake laughs, but I just can't imagine
anything more unnerving than people read it us now are deadly. Yeah,

(14:34):
I mean truly, because there's so long, so you can't
even kind of fall on it yourself. I would always
be very determined, remember Amy Poehler, very sweetly, like always
trying to laugh, you know. Yeah, And I would be
like really trying to laugh too, because you feel so badly.
People are putting themselves out there. They've been up all night.
Is this when you're pitching ideas? No, this is when
you do. Everyone has to turn into to three sketches

(14:55):
a week, and so then you read them all. So
it takes like four hours by the end. Yeah, and
then when they give you the order of the sketches
and you know years is after twenty or just like
fuck right, because everybody's done lists them out in the
order of preference, I guess or likelihood I would always
be them like thirty five. That's not a great spot. Yeah,

(15:15):
I mean I've watched that show since I was a
little kid, and you were you were on. I mean
that was a great cast. Yeah, I mean that was
Will Ferrell and he was a guest, but I was
on with Christen Wig and Amy Poehler were the women,
and like Andy Sandberg and Hater and yeah, and of
course Keenan, of course King. I love Keenan, someone just

(15:37):
the bedrock. He is a teddy bear. I think he is.
He's the nicest guy in the world. Yeah, I'm glad
I had to know that because I think a lot
of them and I think I read an article one
time where he was where it seems like he offers
like pretty sage advice to newcomers about not getting too
worked up about stuff. He's just like so chill and

(15:58):
so eat and generous with his time and his personality
and his laughs and so his first Armison who was
on the show with me too, right, he's such a
weirdo huh way, Oh my god, there is no one
truly on planet Earth more fun to sit and just
joke around. Really, yeah, oh my god. The things he's

(16:19):
he'll keep a bit going for years. He'll circle back
to it years later, right when he sees you. He's
just a genius. And actually in Darryl Hammond was on
the show too, and he was really friendly. He knew
I was kind of struggling in, so he was still around.
He was still around, and he let me use his
stressing room to smoke sigrows out of really, because I
think he saw I was like really chucking. He's like,
casey us my home room. Really, I think it was

(16:41):
so sad, but I'll take it. That's nice. Were you, um,
I guess you were one of probably the younger cast
members at the time. Huh yeah, because I came on
after the writers strike and so I came in alone,
which was tough. And I'm not making an excuses, but
it was very tough. That's unusual though, right, Yeah, normally
like six people coming together and my Rudolph left and

(17:02):
I came in and it was just kind of a
bit of an island. Although then you start meeting people
and Yeah, how intimidating. I just can't imagine being like
I mean you think about like the first day school,
that's like the most intimidating school in comedy history. I
was like floating above reality, but it was. It's funny.
James Franco made a documentary. It's kind of one of

(17:25):
the only people, oddly that has taken cameras back and
followed the whole process for a week. And someone gave
it to me and I'm like, I don't think I
can bear to watch. It's like going back to high school,
almost like seeing yourself and like off, You're just like
so embarrassed. And I watched it and I was like,
I'm acting a though I was like a mute in
the corner. I'm existing. I was in it. Yeah, and

(17:47):
it was fine. It was like, okay, it wasn't as
bad as I perceived it at the time. And then
you broke the DVD over your knee, went to his house. Yeah,
well that's awesome. I was a big fan of Marry
Me as well. Thank you, because I am. I think
I would classify myself as obsessed with Ken Marino Ken

(18:09):
Marino enthusiasts. Yeah, I mean he's my dude, he's the best. Yeah.
I just worship that guy and everything he's done. Like
I saw the movie he directed. I've seen Adam Valley
starring in his next movie. Oh really? Yeah, we were
just talking about Adam, who was on Happy Endings so
I did before marry me. Okay, yeah, so he's directing

(18:29):
another movie. Ye, Ken directed It's hard. That's great. He's
just I don't know, there's something about that's so funny
in um Wanderlust and Eastbounding Down. Yeah. No, one plays
like a confident asshole better than Ken, which they shot
here too, actually, but yeah, he was so funny and

(18:50):
so upsetting that character. And Michael Watkins as his wife. Yeah,
who was she on your cast? Yes? So she and
Abby Elliott and Bobby moynihan came in the next year. Okay, right,
and she's wonderful. Because I was watching some of your
sketches the other day and I forgot you were one
of the Morrel's sisters. I was pronounced god, I don't
even know what sisters we were, well, the singing sisters

(19:10):
with Kristen wigg with the baby hands. Sadly was I
in that? No, that was so fun but yeah, Ken
and Party down Is is one of my all time
favorite chows. I think I watched that all the way through,
probably three times. It's great and he's just the best.
And I've reached out to him a bunch of times
and it's never worked out, but they're very sweet every time.

(19:31):
His people are like, keep trying, though, Like I don't
think he doesn't want to do it or anything. He's
just that cannot be the case. Yeah. Yeah, he's in
my husband's sex show, and my husband's obsessed with him
as well. Oh a TV show coming up? Yes? Oh great? Yeah,
and he's obsessive him. And your husband's a comedy writer. Yeah,
he's a comedy writer. He created at b Endings and
Marry Me. That's why I met him. And then he's

(19:51):
doing a new show that I'm a little pardon. I
don't think Mary Me got a fair shake. I don't either.
But at the same time, so many people this show
happy Ending side kind of this cult following, so I
think sometimes there's anger involved of like why isn't it that? Yeah,
I guess I see what you mean, But it's also
just sort of what what network was it on NBC?

(20:14):
It's kind of in an era where it's tough to
pull off that network like it might have been well
received as the same exact show if it had been
on Netflix, just because of perception. It's a tough line
to ride, which I think all my comedian friends were
all trying, which is like network, it's not the coolest,
but you know, you can make great money and you
can just have a great time to you, but then

(20:36):
you end up making something so weird that they're like,
we don't care for this definitely, so it never really works.
It's like Kimmy Schmidt is such an amazing show, which
they tried for NBC, and then NBC is like, this
is too weird and it's just like a joke box,
which is all comedians want to do. Yeah, and it's
amazing that like looking back that a show like thirty
Rock or Arrested Development Ever, I mean that was a

(20:58):
while ago, but they are not doing those now. Yeah,
there's no way. They're doing family stuff. And anytime you pitched,
i mean there's like too weird and they're visibly angry. Yeah,
please stop pitching like really weird stuff. It's it's so
funny though, because you want to shake them and say no,
you need to get a little more hip, Like don't
you see what's like the riding on the wall, don't
you see? Yeah you're a dinosa. Yeah I know, but

(21:22):
that probably wouldn't win. You need jobs, you know. Nobody
likes to hear that. Please cut that. Um really okay,
you're such a good actor. I just couldn't tell what
What kind of movies were you watching growing up? Like
I consider the formative years like sort of eleven through fifteen.
Movie wise, it's so interesting. I didn't see a lot

(21:43):
of the movies everyone saw, and I don't know how
like I never saw Star Wars. I never saw The
Breakfast Club and all those. To this day, really people
make references. Never saw many python just swaths of movie culture.
I missed. What are you watching? I was watching Chuck
like sounded music? You know. I feel like that you

(22:06):
mentioned that as one of your favorites. Love the Little
Trump of Wars. Strangely one of the first movies my
parents would take me, also to Cohen Brothers movies. Yeah,
it's right, it's great. The first movie I saw my
dad brought me because he was watching me just alone
and just thought I'll splashing like there was a Mermaid,
but it was a little above my head. But like

(22:27):
I loved Big, I loved Beaches, I liked these like
you know, I loved like Overboard, kind of like big comedies.
Love all of those movies. And then I became obsessed
with and these are I'm not saying these are the
best movies of our time, but I got really into
Father the Bride and Steve Martin. I had a huge
like Steve Martin. Those were good movies. The jerk that

(22:50):
kind of Ye, I mean Steve Martin, He's a legend.
I loved him growing up. And then I got obsessed
with Christopher Guest movies. As you should, yeah, as everyone does. Well,
you're doing the right thing. Then, because those came out,
I guess when you were in high school. Yeah, high school.
What a treasure because like when I was in high school,
there are a lot of bad movies and I looked

(23:10):
back fondly at them, but there wasn't anything like that
kind of quality. Yeah, And I remember seeing this like stumbling,
who are these people? What are they doing? This is
the funniest thing, obviously waiting for Goffman, that I've ever seen.
If I could even be meet any of these people,
and so to get a part in his first movie.
My first movie was a dream sent Heaven Sent? How

(23:31):
was that? Meeting him in auditioning and stuff. So I've actually,
like i've ever told anyone the story, but thank you
for asking. It was so crazy. I got the audition,
and I'm working with June writers on this CBS animated
show for argument called Creature Comforts, which came over from London. Yeah.
So I saw the original stuff way back when we
are personally aired one episode, but we were working out

(23:52):
in Culver City and just writers and like Chad Carter
right on that Chad's an old buddy. It was just
Chad June and I. Yeah, he's it. Yeah, And Chad
and I drove to work together. So we're there and
June and I would tell our boss, sorry, Kit. Every
day we'd be like I got to run to the
doctors and we'd be going to auditions, you know, and
like be really long, and June would then cover from

(24:13):
me and be like the pharmacists needed to talk to her,
so sad and unprofessional, like the worst excuse ever, the
worst ever. June and I asked for a raise of
the first day really yeah, a lot mistakes were made.
But then I got this audition. They were like, yeah,
there's this little role and Christopher gust me. I was
so excited. I like preparing, preparing, and then oddly that night,

(24:34):
not to be a downer, but my mom passed away
very suddenly, and so I just completely obviously forgot about
the audition. But the last conversation I had with my mom,
I was telling her, I'm like, I'm so excited, and
you know, I had no money, and I'm like, my
phone kept my phone was shut off during that conversation
because I had none. I was like, can I everrow
some money on my phone? Let it shut up? But

(24:56):
my mom loved Christopher as Suso. I was so excited.
Then obviously the whole year goes by and I didn't
even think about it, and then I got this call
from my manager and she's like, you know that Christopher
guest movies completely edit and they're adding one scene and
they need an actress and do you want to go in?
And I went in and I just thought I bombed it.
And I got in the car and just cried my

(25:16):
eyes out because I felt very much like I let
my mom down, I let myself down. I was just like, God,
what a failure. And then got back to my office
and June and Chad were there. I got a call.
I got it in the three year US like jumping
up and down, crying, and that's so great. I only
bring it up because it was beyond being in any movie.
It was like, um, in that time in your life.

(25:37):
It sounds like too, Yeah, it was a very special experience.
And that's I love Katherine o' harris so much. In
my scene, she's everything. Well, it's funny. I was looking
at your your influences that were listed on your Wikipedia
page and at my feet. My feet is weird. They

(26:00):
did have a picture of your feet that I hope
that's my cover. Um, but your list of influences of
of of female comedians was just like I was like,
oh wow, well, no wonder. I think she's great. It's
like Lucio Ball and Madeline con and Katherine O'Hara, Molly Shannon.
I just I want to I like, when I think

(26:23):
of Molly Shannon, I just pictured me hugging her me too,
and she'll allow it. Really, Yes, I have pursued a
friendship with Kath Ohea and Molly shan and and this director.
I'm like mcdown nucal Hallsina in ways that are uncomfortable, unwanted, unwarranted,
and yet I'm not normally that person to like push
something if I don't really know something. But little entrees

(26:45):
to each of them resulted in meaning like can we
go to lunch? And they're like, God, but they all did,
and the most wonderful women And to get to sit
down with someone you love is and for them to
also be as amazing as you would think, because because
not every actor or comedian, that's a that's risky business

(27:05):
to meet your heroes. I didn't want to come here, Chuck,
I didn't. I was like, oh boy, uh yeah, that's
so great to hear about Molly Shannon because I just
adore her and especially like with her life story and
she just yeah, I just think she's the besknees. She
really is. That's great. You know what she on when

(27:26):
you were no, But that's how I. I just met
her at some party or something and she was so
encouraging and warm and he said, oh, and can we
go to lunch? I said, hey, want to hang out?
And she said please leave get out of my house
and Katherine her hera too. Huh. Yes, well, I did
a movie with her called Killers, which I'm sure someone's
going to do as their favorite movie and they haven't.
I'm shocked. Um with Ashton Kitcher and Katherine high Goal

(27:49):
and we had so much fun because we were in
like outside New Orleans together for like three weeks, just
the two of us, and they weren't really using us,
so we would just bop around and it wasn't a dream.
That's great. Yeah, Well, and weirdly was this before after
Ashton Kutcher man handled you on Saturday Night Live in
that one totally wrong sketch. That beautiful sketch, very upsetting.

(28:16):
Nobody needs it in today's era to see a quadriplegic stripper.
It was it was funny. She was positive something. I
think that's right, Dusty Velvet. She was positive though she
had suffered an accident on tiltal whirl and was still
trying to continue to strip, but she didn't need help
from a handler. It's a very funny sketch, but it's
just it's upsetting. Yeah, as especially as I've had kids,

(28:39):
I'm like, this is not funny. Whatsoever. Well, you got
it on the show. Yes, But now I'm like, oh,
I'm so much more sensitive to things as I've had kids. Things,
I'm like, that's edgy and cool. Now I'm like, no, way,
can't have anything with a kid in it. Yeah, yeah,
it's not funny for sure. Yeah. Yeah, that definitely happens
in life. You know. As much as I think, like

(29:00):
it doesn't matter, let's make things, it's like, noope, yeah,
I can't even joke about that. Yeah. And I was
talking with the producer Nol about it the other day
because we both have daughters, and like, you can still
go out and make anything. Like I'm not any into
any kind of censorship, Like I think literally everything is
fair game. But like it doesn't mean you have to

(29:22):
watch it or like it, but just keep making it.
Because I believe in art in that way too. But
it's just I can't watch anything that upsetting. It's too Yeah,
I'm with you. Yeah, so we can move on to clue. Well,

(29:42):
first of all, you also, um you said Little Chop
of Horrors was another one a movie which I have
never seen, believe it or not. I feel like you
need to see it. I feel the movie Clue and
those Shop of Horrors are both like the most amazing, terrible,
wonderful movies that I've seen so many times, and some
people they're polarizing because Little Shop was a play first, right, Yeah,

(30:05):
I'm musical. Yeah, yeah, I need to check that out.
It's really great. It's weird. I guess has the best
cameo in the world, as does Bill Murray and Steve
martin Is and Marian I'm just he's not acting, yeah,
but also like I remember reading an article about him

(30:26):
where he was like, you know, his wife passed away,
and he's like, I'm gonna be a good dad and
quit this. And then he got away and was like,
you know, I didn't miss it like I thought, and
so admirable because you never hear someone saying I think
I'm going to step away. It's dignified and beautiful that
he did that. I know, it is weird. It feels
like I don't want this world for him. I'm glad

(30:47):
he's yeah, same here doing what he's doing when I
miss him, Like selfishly, I miss him as well, but
I think it's so noble and like great that you
just gave it up. I know, I wish I had
that in me. And also you wish you had a
pile of Ghostbusters money. Yeah, it's nice to step away
with that money. I wonder if you brought the money
with him. Um. And the other movie was Terms of Endearment.

(31:12):
The one thing I'll say about that movie is as
sad as it is, it's also extremely funny. Oh it's hysterical,
which I feel like doesn't get that it's due for
how funny it is. Three quarters of the movie. It's great,
it's everything. That relationship between the mother and daughter. Shirley
McLean and Debra Winger are unbelievable queniens and people as
they are, like what Devery Winger is always in sad things.

(31:32):
She is so funny in this movie she is and
so true and how she has whether you just don't
see a movie where they let that type of relationship
breathe and live by the end because they've built just
this unbelievable mother daughter relationship. It is like gutting to
see what happened. Yeah, and then and James L. Brooks
was like I think he was like in his twenties

(31:53):
when he wrote, directed, and produced that, which means it's
like Paul Simon doing Sound of Silence and twis like,
what I know, maybe because you're so I can't even imagine.
I'm obsessed with looking at ages of people when they
did great works. It's depressing and amazing. I know I
shouldn't do that, but it's hard not to. And yeah,
it's just crazy because that movie was so good and

(32:15):
and what's his name, Jeff Daniels, Oh my god, like
he was a kid. They were they were both kids,
Danny Jevideo Jack Nicholson in that movie is so incredible,
so great, such a good movie. It's really good. Did
you see the Lovers debor Wingers movie from last year? No,
with um j Letts. Yeah, is it? It's great? Really,

(32:38):
my friends said that I should have seen it. It's
so great. You know, it's not too late. You can
see it's too late. I can't, absolutely can't, but I
wish I had. It's really, really, really great and just
so good to see her like killing it again. Well,
I know I sound like a psychopath, but I actually
speaking Abashton Kutcher went and stocked his set on the
ranch because, yeah, it's upsetting. I don't like the side

(33:02):
of myself. I don't like it, No, you're I wanted
to me because I do the same thing, Like I'm
just like I just want to like I've done that
with this show, like specifically tried to get people on
just so I could sit down for an hour. Well
it's it's common interesting if you are a fan and
my girlfriend Alicia Comforts on the show and I knew Ashtons,

(33:23):
I was like, can I stop. I'm not stopping by
my friend's sets. It's like who's coming to work, and
like sitting across my computer, like you just don't do
it after a while when you have kids. And then
I said, Alicia, don't tell her why I'm coming. I
just want to be there. And my makeup artist yes,
and I was just like okay. And my makeup artist
from another show was doing DeBras and they knew all

(33:45):
everyone knew I was coming except for Debra. And so
we're in there and I'm pretending, like just chatting with
Alicia and like I don't even seeing over there, like
you felt like a white hot heat and there's a pause.
Winger just goes, all right, just come over say hi.
Had told her sweet She was like, over here, I
love that. I very nice, like Officer and a Gentleman

(34:08):
is one of my favorite all time movies an urban Cowboy,
and I mean she was just she was amazing in
Rachel getting married recently. That's right, she's one of the best.
She was on your Wikipedia page with Trulie McClain. So
glad you told your influences to someone at some point. Clearly,
Okay that may have been Actually now I like who

(34:30):
I said. I stand behind it. Um So Clue uh
one of my favorite movies for really. Oh yeah, that's
why it's um. I didn't want to be fighting an
appeal battle here. Oh no, no, no, no, no, that's
why I leapt on it. I was fourteen. I saw

(34:52):
it in the theater because I was a clue the
game nut. Yeah were you? Yes? Okay not? Do you
still play? Not as Mutton? No? Do you? Occasionally? I
will play um like I bought the game four or
five years ago because I hadn't played since I was
a kid. And Emily and I played a few, like

(35:13):
just dual rounds with each other, which is a weird
way to play, just one on one. That's so cute. Well,
it was kind of fun, but she has it's so
annoying she says she has this, she has the game
beat like, she has this patented technique that will not
allow her to lose. She told you what it is. No,
of course not. Is she trying to get in your head.

(35:33):
I don't know. She's very competitive and does she win?
She does, but I appreciate her style. Yeah, but she
says she has the game, she has some system that
where she has licked the game and I haven't. Either
makes you crazy, But I love the game growing up
and when when I was a kid, they had. I
don't know how many versions they ever been, but I

(35:55):
still remember the faces of the people, the models that
they used on that box that I had. It's probably
the same one you had. Oh yeah, I remember too.
I my family would sit down and play all the time,
and I was like, this is very cool. Yeah, I
think it was. It was just a big part of
my childhood. So when the movie came out, I was
all over it. And I like the movie back then. Um,

(36:16):
I know it's it's grown and we we'll talk a
little bit about it that it's grown into a cult
classic now, But it wasn't. It was very famously sort
of derided by critics and was not a success at
the box. I can see that in a way. Well,
it's not every day someone's taking a board game and
making a movie. Like I think even that set up
is kind of like what well, especially back then, like

(36:38):
now that it seems like they're adapting everything, category, isn't it.
But I'm available to stop a great movie. But back
then it was definitely weird to see a board game
turned into a movie. But it was a it was
a bit of a magic trick that it was a
good movie, you know, Yeah, it was such They cast
such great comedians, the exception of Mr Boddy uh Leaving

(37:03):
leaving lead singer of the punk band Fear. Even when
I saw it as a kid, I was like, and
I don't mean to put anyone down, it was one
of these people that doesn't belong, scarkly different than the rest.
Maybe that was the point, though I think it was
actually I read that they wanted someone to have a
different vibe and he did. Yeah. Uh so going through

(37:24):
the cast real quick. Tim Curry played Um Wadsworth the Butler, amazing, unbelievable.
Eileen Brennan played Mrs Peacocking amazing the best, Like I
feel like she screams her lines. It's in the funniest way,
and she's like, and I've never done anything wrong. It's

(37:44):
so good. Uh. Michael McKeon as Mr. Green, Thank you amazing,
Thank you, Lord Jesus. He was so great. Leslie and
Warren as Ms Scarlett, who um when I was fourteen.
I think she was like thirty seven when she made
this movie. But to me, Leslie and Warren has always
been as a thirty seven year old woman. I'm I know.

(38:08):
She seemed like so sultry and sexy and older she was.
And I was just so like I was. I was
a little Baptist boy, so I was fourteen, and I
was just like these feelings I had when I saw
Leslie and Warren as this like grown woman. It's like
and again, this was a comedy where we don't see
that kind of like sexuality on the screen in a comedy.
It was so great. She was just like, this is

(38:29):
what I am. She was a siren. Yes you know yeah. Um.
Martin Mall as Colonel Muster. I'll just go ahead and
tell you my favorite line please from Martin Mall. I
came into money during the war when I lost my
mommy and when I lost my mommy, and Day speaks like,

(38:50):
it was so funny. It's so funny. I mean that
line is a normal line until he says mommy and daddy.
Christopher Lloyd as Professor Plum, who they made into a perv,
which is interesting. Um, and he was great and also like,
look his age two. I was obsessed with everyone's ages.

(39:11):
I think he was like forty one or something. Really
like they were all. It was weird. They made a
comedy in the eighties where I don't think anyone was
younger than thirty seven. I think Leslie and Warren is
probably the youngest cast member, which is weird at the
time in the mid eighties, like comedies, that's not what
was going on in the comedy world, and not more

(39:31):
a little more yeah kind of right. Um uh. And
then well Colleen Camp as as uh that who was
great but the maid and I've since met calling Camp's
daughter in La and All. She's like, okay, I get it,
my mom. Uh. And then finally, um Madeleine Con like, well,

(39:52):
we'll talk about what I like to call the six
moments of Madeline Con in this movie as we go.
But she was someone like blazing Saddles is one of
my all time favorite movies and um, she just like
could do no wrong. I think this is like one
of the most amazing performances. So weird, so weird, she

(40:14):
plays it so weird. The look alone, everyone's look. Their
looks are iconic. They're in the same look all night.
So good and she's so weird and in a great way. Yeah,
and it's interesting as a writer to um. It was
first time writer director Jonathan Lynn Englishman who later did
My cousin Vinnie. But John Landis famously worked on this

(40:37):
script for a long long time and was going to
direct it and couldn't crack it because he had the
mandate from the studio you need to have four endings
because they've they've never released a fourth ending, had three
and you probably know all the stuff, but this is
for the benefit of the listeners. But he, uh, after
about a year, invited playwright Tom Stoppard, Steve in Sondheim,

(41:01):
and Anthony Perkins to write the script with him, which
is sounds like a very strange bunch. I know. I
mean Tom Stoppard, I get because his theater is so
crisp and quick. That makes total sense and even Stephen
Sandheim I sort of get. I mean the Anthony Perkins
of it all. Yeah, it's a bit of a different Well,
it's just hard to disassociate him from Norman Bates, like

(41:24):
that was just a part he played like he was
probably a really funny writer. I guess sure, yeah, yeah, yeah,
obviously he was obviously. Yeah, that's strange. But then Jonathan
Lynn is British, right, And that to me is probably
where they like cracked it, Yeah for sure, because he
came in and kind of finished it up and made
his own and he does have very British sensibility to me,

(41:45):
Oh for sure. I mean they took the board game. Well,
first of all, they have to assign personalities to these
game pieces, which is kind of fun, Like I can't
imagine being tasked with that because you can do whatever
you want. Yeah, they could be whoever. And I'm sure
that the cast came with her own ideas, but to
make Professor Plumb kind of pervy and uh and Colonel

(42:08):
Mustard was it's kind of a moron, even was that character? Yeah,
and then um Mrs Peacock would be so like batty
and kind of flustered with her like feathers and glasses,
always flustered. There's a great scene, or she just has
that feathery. Uh, it's not a hat. What do you
call that? What's the name of that? I don't even
know what it is. It's like a headpiece, yeah, headpiece. Yeah,

(42:33):
I don't know what ladies call that stuff. Yeah, I
don't know. I mean not when it's falling off of
her face and she just can't manage it. It's just
such a great moment. I know, the physical comedy and
the whole thing is amazing. It's amazing. But to make
this board game into a a screwball sort of not
sort of a total throwback screwball comedy murder mystery. Who
done it? Was just and of course it's gonna be

(42:55):
who done it? But uh for what a weird choice? Yeah,
and I great, I'm sure you did. But that Jonathan
Lynn was kind of modeling like the rapid fire paste
off of like my Golf Friday to kind of do
this and kind of instructed everyone to be keeping the
pace up. The pace is so fast it is, but
that's it's not to be lame. But to quoken Marino,

(43:18):
if I will marry me, said, we always have. You
always have to think about the musicality of a scene.
It really and it's very musical. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
They built uh this amazing set on the Paramount lot.
That was a Paramount that's where we filmed to Marry
Me Unhappy Endings. I had no idea that was my

(43:39):
I mean I used to p A and stuff in
l A, so that was my film business experience. But
Paramount was always my favorite to work on. It's a
little jewel, yeah, and it just seemed like the most
sort of classic Hollywood. It's right there in Hollywood, and
now the other ones really are. And you know the
Bronson Gate where Charles Bronson named himself after the street
and just that it's iconic. You driving in there, you're like, wow,

(44:03):
you can't help I could not help to be grateful
every time driving in, it's like, wow, how did this
is so cool? Well, and so many things like you
walked through the little New York block and like, wait
a minute, The Godfather was shot here, and you're like,
why am I writing a segue and being there's a
lot of magic. Maybe I would Rob Cordrey with no

(44:23):
top on, but you know, just like those movies, so yeah,
they built very famously built this amazing set at Paramount.
Like when I was watching it last night with Emily,
I told her that, and she worked in production. And
you just still get fooled. You're like, oh, I thought
that was a big house in England. In England, I
was like, well, they had from this huge old mansion

(44:47):
and it just rained a lot. None of that was
fake either. Huh they built it, you say, but I
read this great. Did you read the BuzzFeed article about this?
This is really great? Long long to Columbuzzfeed about how
it became a cult hit, and they interviewed everyone just
about their experience, and um, Martin Maul was just saying

(45:08):
how much fun they all had because they're in almost
every scene, all of them together, and he just said
it was like a party every day. We just had
so much fun. And he said he felt bad for Lynn.
He said it was like hurting puppies to try and
get us all to behave And apparently they all hung
out in the billiard room when they weren't they just

(45:29):
treated like a pool room. And when they weren't between setups,
they would all just go and choot pool and hang
out and just like be besties. That's so cute. And
Martin Maul played my father and something, and he was
also founded insufferable my questions about it. No, he was
so cool by it. He I was like, we didn't
really know it was going to be this have this
longer life, sure, because he's like, we were having so
much fun. You can't imagine that it would then be good, right,

(45:52):
because normally's kind of the opposite. Yeah, and especially after
the initial reception UM and cable TV. You know, like
I was one of those kids who watched it twelve
times on you know, Sunday afternoon. Kids are watching things
that amount of times now because there's so much content.
I don't know, and I watched it so many times

(46:13):
and there's so much boy not to be old man
about it, but you know, these YouTube kids, like these YouTubers,
I don't know if they're sitting around watching uh movies
like we did. You know, I don't think they are.
They're watching little snippets, right, And I don't know what
they're watching. I don't know what they're watching either, And

(46:35):
with I just can't even think about what our kids
are gonna be watching in twelve and fourteen fifteen years.
I just hope my son is a YouTube star. It's
my greatest, fondest wish. YouTube may not even be around then.
You never know so many great corny jokes, which is
kind of one of my favorite things. Um Like, I

(46:57):
call it dumb humor, but that makes it sound like
um like I told Paul Sheer when I interviewed I
was selling my children's hospital. It was like it was
so great. I said, there were so many great dumb jokes,
and I was like, oh did I like, now, do
you know you know what I mean by that, right, dude?
I always say, like the bust things are so stupid,
and I feel the same. But it's like it was
so stupid in the bus way, Yeah, And I mean

(47:18):
there's so much cornball going on, and it was especially
again for the time in like I don't remember. I
remember the comedies at the time, they were nothing like this.
It's really no surprise that it wasn't like a big hit. Yeah,
you're right. I wasn't out contextualizing it as to when
it was because I just like watched alone in a
vacuum millions of times. What was your first time seeing it?

(47:39):
Do you remember just in my house. I remember, maybe
like a sleepover. What is this? The reason I really
latched onto it was I've never seen something with three
female comedicy leads. Yeah, and there's actually not that much
of that even now, or just such an ensemble everyone
working together. I was like, I need to do this.
These three women, they're all so funny, and I was
kind of like, oh, I guess comedy is something that

(48:01):
you could do in a way because I saw it
before I started getting in destinal and then seem like
she ting Molly Shannon, right. These women are so funny,
all of them. Yeah, I didn't really think about that.
And no one, i mean everyone stands out. So no
one stands out, you know, no one steals the show.
And it's so rare for everyone to be almost like
exactly as holding up their end of it. Yeah, that's

(48:22):
what's so magical about it. Yeah, I mean even down
to Colleen Camp, even down to the cook Yeah, and
the dogs out front, they're so great. And the lady
from the Go goes cop uh well yes, the lady
from the Go goes as the singing Telegram. Yeah that rhythm.
I thought that was so funny when I was a kid, telegram.

(48:44):
Oh it's so good. Did you just get shot immediately?
Even the weird motorist, he that was a weird mole.
I was like kind of scared of that when I
was little. For when he just shows up in the
middle of the night. Yeah right. But I love when
the cops and he's like, I'm in this weird house. Yeah,
and to Carey keeps locking him in, which is just like,
what would what locking a cop in this room. The

(49:05):
best scene though, is when they decide to take the
dead bodies and pretend they're having like a drunken sexual
night to the I think it's the crew cuts Shaboom
she boom likes to be a dream. It's the best
scene ever. And Mrs Peacock is like, well yeah, Michael
McKeon tries to stop him from going in. There's like
it's shocking, you will believe it. He's like, I'm just

(49:27):
having a good done. Um all right, Well, time is
getting short, so we need to talk about Malan kan
six moments, um, I'm sure you know what they are ahead.
The first one is the fireplace when I believe I
think it's Scarlet and Wadsworth are arguing about something somebody
is and she just can't take anymore. And what does

(49:50):
she do? Throws her glass right smashes her champagne glass
and screens. It's such an overreactions, such a weird way
to play it, but it just kills me every time
I see. It's so good moment number two. Um, yes,
I mean, what where did she even come up with that?

(50:12):
I know, it's such a strange thing to do. I
read that because the script is seems so tight, because
it's so quick that they couldn't really improve a time,
but that they did, of course let her so have
you have you read the script, but just kind of
like the syncopation of it. I think it's so quick
that I can't imagine there was like a ton of
room for it. And then the director didn't really want
them to imbro right, which he was just like all right, yeah.

(50:36):
So she looks at Tim Curry for those of you
wondering what I did, and if you're a Clue fan,
then you know exactly what I'm talking about, and just
inexplicably does this kind of manny nanny booboo thing with
her so funny. Um, okay, I think this was I
have done here when Michael McKeon approaches her when uh,

(50:58):
and she just goes like she has so many weird reactions,
like they're small, like you almost don't notice it until
you start looking for it. And it's so genius because
there's times I'm like, oh, she doesn't have a ton
of lines on this, and she's just like infusing it
with sound. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, what's the next moment? Uh?

(51:19):
The fake strangling from Wadsworth when he's running around and
of course the end is so great and manic when
he's running around and everyone's following him when he recreates
the whole movie and he does the little fake strangle
and she just sort of gently lays down to the
ground and acts the part out um the for she's

(51:41):
the jolly good fellow. When she's and she starts singing
it in round, it's going so high above everyone is
so good. Five. That's five. Well, yes, let's go ahead
and take it away with Well, apparently apparently what was

(52:04):
written was that she was just supposed to say like,
I hate her, I hate her so much. That was
the line has written, And she's talking about it at
the main and she's like, I hate her so much,
so much flames from the side of my top side
of my friends, and it is like her gestures and
amarily she did like three takes of it, all more

(52:25):
insane than the others, and that they couldn't even just
believe what she was doing, and that it was like
an angry rant of just epic proportions so weird and
I did not do a justice this there. You have
to totally did he or she? That was one of
the improvs that was allowed. Apparently like very famously, like

(52:45):
you said, she just came up with that on the spot.
I guess it's so like she can't even get the
words out to just show disdain and much so much
so good. What a treasure, Oh man, I can even
take it. When I think about it, I just start
like that that's my should be my happy place, like

(53:05):
my go to. It is just to like think of
that scene of the Six Moments for me, one more
little moments when Tim Curry does I don't know if
this is if I love this moment when he's like
they're like stop shouting, and he's like, all right, I am,
I'm shouting. I'm shutting. Candlestick falls in his head and
finishes the rhythm so stupid, and when the chandelier falls, yeah,

(53:27):
and Martin walls like I can't take any more, and
the chandelier falls behind it, it's like again, so dumb. Well,
it feels like that these some of these jokes were
written for fourteen year old Chuck. It was written for
a kid, yes, to find funny, but they're also jokes about,
like you're saying, Christopher Lloyd is this kind of burvy,
weird guy. Yea, it was a little body like but

(53:49):
it's a clean movie, which is like what I really
think is kind of cool, and which is why apparently
it was shown on cable so much, so much, so
much for a while. Yeah, because it was like something
that could run in the afternoons, sort of good, clean fun.
But just that little body hint kind of reminded me
of like Tom Stoppard stuff. Yeah. I took a playwriting

(54:10):
class in college, like British playwrights, and so much of
that stuff was I just want to say so much
like that every time I say yeah, you're in a
So much of it though, was of those plays were
just like this just rapid fire, really smart back and
forth and innuendo. It was just a little body this turning, Yeah,

(54:33):
because sometimes I think comedy has been and I think
kind of like out of that phase but pushed so
grotesque and kind of has to be like shock value,
and I get it and it's amazing, but this was
really unbelievable. Like you had tig On here, who I
love so much, Chick Nataro's comedy. She doesn't even make
a big thing of it, but she only it's very clean.

(54:53):
She never one time is cursed, She's never one time,
And you go back and realize, oh, yeah, she hasn't.
She's just kind of this weird observations and syncopatients that
you've never heard. And it's funny, but it doesn't always
have to be. So it's actually much more artful to
kind of do it like this. Yeah, well that's that's harder.
I think it's much harder. You've seen a lot of

(55:14):
improv over the years, I'm sure, and done it yourself,
and like the potty jokes, I mean, the sort of
the first thing that comes to your head and you're
desperate and sweaty and want to have a laugh, and
so of course that's where you go. Yeah, yeah, but
it's it's tougher. I think to keep it clean. Um,
but I mean I like dirty stuff. Don't get more. Course,
of course who doesn't. But this was kind of a
feat that they kind of managed both. Yeah, because when

(55:37):
I think back to I'm not thinking it was like
the squeaky clean fan. Yeah. Uh So apparently I was
looking up like another going to remake this and ruin
it um. And for a while they were what's his name?
His director, Gore Verbinski was going to do it, but
I think he's off and Ryan Reynolds now has it.

(55:59):
Ryan's that Holmes. What do you think about him? I
think he's very funny, very funny. Well, Paul Shear knows
my undying love of Clue, and I've done a bunch
of these poulm I actually just did a comedic reading
of it at the UCB and Paul bladed Christopher Lloyd,
I think, and I played my speacock and he was
so funny in it, and he knows my undying love

(56:19):
of Clue, and he he sent me the announcement that
they were remaking it, and I think he was trying
to like both tell me I should like get in
on it, and I'm like how, But also he knows,
you know, it's such a love of mine. I don't
know how I can how made And I read that, um,
and this is probably what sinks it for me. They

(56:42):
said something about making a globe trotting experience and like
get him out of the house, and they envisioned as
being a franchise, and what it's like, it's just a franchise.
The beautiful thing about one of the beautiful things about
the movie was that they all were in this house,
running around this stage set. I know, I'm gonna say

(57:04):
something controversial. I love Ryan Reynolds. I'm really he actually
really really makes me off. And he's so charming and handsome.
Sometimes I feel Hollywood is like so besotted and maybe
these are my own baggage, but like so besided with
like hands and people like they're all so funny. It's like,
just get I hope they get comedians. It doesn't have
to be me, although I'd love it, but don't put

(57:25):
the rock in it, thank you, Like you know, get
they need they need comedians. Yeah, I think for the work.
You're totally right though about the handsome thing, like and
the Rock is a good example, Like people just fall
all over themselves like, oh, and he's so funny because
I guess because you don't expect him to be. You
don't expect it, so you're grateful, right, And then the

(57:48):
rock thinks like, hey, everyone, I must be fucking hysterical,
you know, And I'm like, oh god, you know who
was going to find though? Who was very handsome with
Chris Emsworth in Ghostbusters? Yeah, yeah, he was funny. He's yeah, yeah,
that would look it can work. Yeah, that's true. And
me I'm funny and you and I we should be yes,

(58:09):
exactly exactly. Uh So in the end, they do the
three endings very famously in the theaters, she could only
see one, and the idea was that you would go
to multiple movies you loved it so much to see
the endings, and it really just backfired on I know,
which is too bad, too bad, But I love how
now well. I used to watch some vhs how they

(58:30):
would put all the ending d I love one with
pe Cocker ending when she turns like that growl and
what is that guy? That weird guy when he's like
come to the Kingdom of Heaven from w Carapy and Cincinnati.
So I didn't know who that gentleman was like, she

(58:53):
get what does she scream? At one point we're all
kind of die, or said, I think is cares he
cares great. I mean every single line she says is
like she sounds like she's on her deathbedded screaming or
something that's so great. And apparently she had just gotten

(59:15):
out of rehab for pain killers. She had like a
really bad back injury and ended up like being addicted
to pain killers and had just come out of rehab.
So everyone apparently was like new this and really sweet
to her to help her along. She knocked it out
of the park. She killed it. Actually, Speaking of rehab,
if I may, I read that Carrie Fisher was supposed

(59:35):
to play Miss Scarlett was in rehab. I can't imagine
anyone but Leslie and Warren. Of course, that's how that goes. Though,
Well we know you sweet on her. Uh yeah, I
just I can't imagine carry Fisher in that role. Yes, yeah,
I can't either. Yeah, I think at all, you know,
casting his destiny as they say, whoever shows up on

(59:56):
the day. Kenna says that, and Kenne's taught me everything
I know. Here's another quick bit of trivia that the
set after they finished the movie would eventually become the
Carlton Hotel from Dynasty. Way to repurpose it unexpected. Well,
it's this beautiful thing, and like, I can't imagine that
tearing it down, throwing it out. Wow, I didn't watch Dynasty,

(01:00:18):
but I'm gonna try. And then it was for water
roll keep using it just floating out in the sea. Yeah,
all right. We finished with are you good on clue
any more? Favorite moments? No, I just want everyone to
see it and it's so great. Well, I do actually
have one when Wadsworth admits that he was blackmailed because
his wife was friends with socialists. So silly, silly, And

(01:00:45):
I can't decide if that joke is more appropriate than
are now like to be really funny. I don't know
a lot. It holds up. It does hold up. I
also love a vet when she's like you I was,
she's taking that weird billiard. I'm listening and Michael McKean
is so great. There's the one shot where you know,
everyone splits up to go search the house and he's,

(01:01:06):
you know, the gay man with the bucks I made,
and they're at the bottom of the stairs of the
attic and he wants her to go up and she's like, no, you,
and he just stands there, looking very quietly. And then
they cut away to some other stuff and they cut
back and he's just still standing there. Much It's just
such a like, I'm a big fan of camera jokes,
just like, of course, you know, the way you frame

(01:01:27):
something can be funny, of course. And then I love
when he it's his ending and he's like, I'm going
to go home and sleep with my way. Such a
great way to end it. And this whole personality changes
as soon you see, like you never becomes Mr straight
Man again. So great. All right, Well, I can talk

(01:01:49):
about Clue all day, but you have children to get to.
But I'd like to see we finished with what Ebert
said and then five questions. J's okay, Roger Ebert, this
movie is a complete disappointment. Gave this movie two stars.

(01:02:10):
Poopy pants about it, he says, fun, I must say
is in short supply and Clue. I'm gonna go ahead
and say right away, this movie is all fun. I
wonder if he didn't see it in a theater full
of people. He didn't comedy has to be watched with
an audience he was sent. He even said that he
was sent the version with all three endings to his

(01:02:31):
office or whatever. See, that's a bummer because he didn't know.
And when you have to judge comedy on your own,
sometimes you're wrong. I feel like I will still try
and go see horror films and comedies in theaters if
I can. The last one I really funny comedy I
saw was Girls Trip in the theater before We're going crazy,
So then you're laughing more so much more fun, like

(01:02:53):
sitting in your home with your computer. Yeah, like looking
at something little shop. Before it was the same when
people would see it and they didn't know what to
make of it, but then apparently being altogether like one
person would start laughing everything like this is hilarious. You know,
reader's digest This laughter is contagious, and so does Ken Marino.
The filmmakers have attempted to make Clue into Us attempted

(01:03:14):
to make Clue into a screwball comedy to kid you
with that as well, because they very much did with
lots of throwaway gags in one liners. Some of these
moments of comedy are funny, most are not. The cast
looks promising, Martin maull Leslian Warren, Madelon Kan and the
wonderfully bouncy Colleen Camp and all that's obviously making reference

(01:03:35):
to her breasts straight up in a Chicago Tribune. He's like,
I guess I liked her. But the screenplay is so very,
very thin that they spend most of their time looking frustrated,
as if they'd just been cut off right before they
were about to say something interesting. I have no idea
what he's talking about. He just didn't get it, unfortunately. No.
I mean, I mean, granted it's it's not an Academy

(01:03:57):
Award winner, but it was like it succeeded on all
levels for what it was trying to do, I think,
and not everything has to be so like weighty and deep.
And I think, going back quickly to what we said
about comedy actors and drama actors, I think it's very
hard to judge. What's unfair about comedy is like you
have to have a hot and if it doesn't like
make someone laugh because of whatever reason, then it's bad,

(01:04:18):
I put in quotes, whereas drama is so much easier
to give a pass to it because you're like, I
guess I liked it. I don't know what am I
supposed to do? You don't, you don't. There's no like
physical response needed to prove that it's funny or that
it's something. So you're just like that seemed deep? Yeah,
for real. I don't know why I'm pitting drama drama
against comedy, but I hate drama. They know who they are,

(01:04:39):
they do. And Roger, well, well he's not with us
anymore now, so I always feel bad when I take
it you with some of this stuff, you know, but
he didn't get this. He's a critic. So that's what
we're supposed to do with critics. They're they're criticizing, criticizing
right back. And it's such a beloved movie by so many.
And I do feel like people get clue. It's like, oh,

(01:05:01):
you're a fun loving person, like you're just like say
a lot, I like it, you get it anything. Anyone
that likes what I like, I feel they're a great
person in a visionary that's the way humans are there.
Uh And finally five questions, Um, do you remember the
first movie you saw in a movie theater? Well? Oh no, Eta,

(01:05:23):
And I said to my dad, why am I crying?
After that? I didn't understand why I was crying? Did
he answer you? He's like, it's really sad what happened?
I think that's what he said. What if he's like,
I don't know. He's like hard, It's like, are you crying?
It's a movie. Yeah, you know that's not real, right,

(01:05:45):
that didn't happen, right. Um. I love it though, the
innocence of a kid like that to like not understand
emotions yet it's really sweet. Yeah, but you're still feeling them. Yeah,
but you're kind of it's confusing us to like, how
did this movie affect me? But that's what movies do, chuck. Yeah.
I have to remind myself that as a parent too, though,

(01:06:06):
like they don't get it yet. They don't get it,
And I have kind of providing myself about my three
year old. Yeah, yeah, they're not the development only just
not there to have impulse control. Yeah, and I don't.
I barely have it at the age of Lesly and Warren.
How she just seems so mature and like refined. And

(01:06:27):
you know who another famous thirty seven year old is
Megan Markle. So when you say people achieve things, I'm like,
I could have been the Princess. We're both on B
level sitcoms. Why wasn't that me? Uh? First R rated movie?
Do you remember that? Was that? Did that have an
impact on you? Gosh? What was it was? Tremors are rating?

(01:06:49):
Tremors are probably not right. I don't think so. But
boy did I love that movie. I loved it. Of course.
I did my first impression to that in the back
to the car, and my parents were laughed and I
was like, you did impressions of the one of them.
I was like, it's totally subterranean. And they were like, oh,

(01:07:12):
that sounded like her, and I was like, yeah, that
actress was like, she's the Trimmer's lady. Never saw her
anything else, Yeah, but she she did her part there. Yeah,
she was great. She was great. So I don't think
it was rrated. But if that's the only thing you
can remember, that's fine. We'll call it R rated. Is
raising her own R rated Ramsey Guest producer Ramsey says,

(01:07:39):
I remember seeing White Man Can't Chump. I bet that
was all right, we'll go with that, okay. I saw
Jungle Fever pretty young. I was like then it was
I was like this, it was very good. Will you
walk out of a bad movie every single time, walk

(01:08:00):
out five minutes in, and it drives people createdize Paul
Sharing June crazy, God, yeah I walk out. I'm like,
I'm out, and I don't mean it in any disrespect.
I've written a movie that I know people blocked out of,
so I there. Well, well, Jude and I wrote Bride
Wars okay with Kate Hudson and Anne Hathaway fighting over

(01:08:21):
a wedding date, and at least you didn't walk out. Yeah,
I think it's fun. It's very like romantic comedy genre
and fun, really fun. Yeah, of course I like it,
but you know, um but and also June and I
wrote an indie movie that we started called as Backwards,
and it's a few people I would say didn't get
it like comedy. That was a bit darker comedy. But

(01:08:43):
so all I'm saying is they think personally, I'm like, God,
I've got kids even before that's just like time is
precious and if I'm not clicking with it, it's not
even in I'm angry. I'm just like, I'm gonna go
always finish my candy first, make sure that happens. You
go into another movie or do you just hit the
road sometimes. But sometimes I'm just like I'm out and
I'm not upset about it. I love movies so much,

(01:09:05):
and then I try to it's my greatest, fondest journey.
So I'm like, it's okay, I didn't like that one,
and just I'm out. But then I'll try to engage
people in discussions about it and they're like, you only
saw ten minutes, Like I just don't you're fit ending
like you didn't see it, shut the hut up about it. Yeah,
but I get it. Yeah, And then other movies like
I'll stay so willingly. After our son and second son

(01:09:28):
was born, we just wanted to see anything and it's
such a crazy state, just laughing my head off with
no children in the theater. To Boss Baby. Really, I
was like, I love it. Boss Baby is kind of funny,
you know. Sometimes you're just in the movie for something.
Sometimes shot. Yeah, my kid loves it. Yeah. She We
actually took her to Cocoa, which she finally went into

(01:09:48):
a movie. Gosh, my son hasn't been able to really
do that yet. Did she like it? She did, and
Emily was a little worried that she was like, she's
not gonna be able to sit there and for she
just sat there like a log, just transfixed. Wow, that
must have been I'm so excited to take my son
to movie. It's like I was pretty excited. I was like,
I think let's give it a shot. No, I don't

(01:10:14):
think we got popcorn. Gosh, she's just watching the magic movies. Like,
aren't kids not supposed to have popcorn? Is that a thing? Oh? God,
they're not. I just realized, don't think my son's out
of either. For some reason, that feels like, yeah, I
guess it is. Um what actor, Okay, this one's tailored
for you. Um what actress do you most wish you

(01:10:37):
could have made a buddy comedy with? Wow? Living or dead?
Are dead? Oh my gosh? Comedy duo? Comedy duo? I
mean Kristen Wig, who was a friend and wonderful actors.
Maybe her, or is it I don't know. Maybe I

(01:10:57):
could be the friend next door, you know. Um God,
I love her, I love I love Sholyn McCline, and
I've said I love Goldie Han's great. Yeah, all right,
great answers. You know, I actually met two nights ago
who was so funny in person. His Nami Schumer. Oh,
really so funny, and you didn't know her before. I

(01:11:17):
didn't know her. She was nice, very nice, very funny,
very funny, laughing so hard. I was like, this is embarrassing.
I'm laughing yet, She's really funny coming out of your nose. No,
but it was a little much. I finally turned away.
Come on, put yourself together. Do you ever wonder when
you have an experience like that, We're like, oh my gosh,

(01:11:37):
what did she think of me? Of course, that's all
I'm thinking. He's like, I hope she thinks I wasn't
so thirsty. Well, she probably left thinking like, oh my god,
she's wonderful because she laughed at my jokes and thought
I was hysteria. Yeah, I mean I think I hope.
So she was so nice and funny and like self deprecating,
which is my number one quality and anyone And she

(01:11:59):
was right on the money because it's the best quality
but also has confidence. So it's a great mix. I
love it. I'm a big fan. Uh movie going one
on one. Finally, question five, what is your sorry, Tiffany Hattish?
I'm gonna throw in the mix as well from Girl's
Trip Funny as Hell it sounds like you just need
to make a Yeah, it sounds like I could just

(01:12:19):
round up these gals. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, um
she is very funny movie going one on one? What
is your theater ritual? Like? Where do you sit and
what do you eat? My husband demands that we sit
in the middle, but on the aisle because he's very tall.
Don't be jealous, ladies, And um, I this really has
turned a lot of friends off. But I will buy

(01:12:41):
anyone any amount of concessions that they want, but I
don't care to share mine. And I'm very up friend
about that. Like, if you think you're going to even
want one red vine, I'll buy you the whole box.
Not that I'm not generous. I want you to have
if the thought crosses your mind that you might, because
I know you're trying to stay right now with the
concession stand like I'm good, but I know when you
see me opening my things, my goobers and my popcorn,

(01:13:04):
you're gonna want at it. And I don't feel like
giving you any now. When I'm totally done, I will
pass things down the line, but often there's nothing left.
Let's unpack this quickly. Yeah, do you have siblings. Yes, okay,
is it a sharing thing or you don't want to
be disturbed in the movie by I love candy and
my no, no, I'll be disturbed. I talked throughout all movies.

(01:13:24):
But I'm happy to be disturbed. But it's more I
love candy. I love to experience so much. I just
don't want to. And I feel in my life I
am always worriting about other people and hoping they're good.
Something about in the movies, I'm like, I just don't. Yeah.
But again, if my friend even has a look in
her eye like she's gonna want let me just get
you packs. So I want everyone to have their things.

(01:13:47):
Someone I'm trying to come after her mind. There's not
a lot of red vines in that pack. Take a look.
It's not as many as you would want. So not twistlers,
red vines, red vines goobers. I really I've had a
problem with I had to. If I'm trying to diet,
I can't go to movie because to me, they go
still hand in hand. It's such a like something from
my childhood. My parents were big, like cat whatever, and

(01:14:08):
we didn't have a lot of money, but it was
like this is where what we do our thing, and
so I get tears of my thinking about concessions with movies.
I'm just like, I need to be here doing this
and I can't go on that journey with you in
my candie popcorn. Oh yeah, all of it. I'm getting
a cherry coke. I mean, these are things most actresses
aren't loading up with before if they see movies four

(01:14:30):
times a month. And like so many friends I have
of kids are like, oh, we never get to the movies.
And that's one thing I've i'men happy about. My husband,
I were like, we are going to still try to
go to the movies. Yeah, we love it. Yeah, that's movies.
We don't get to men anymore. That and like live music,
the things that I still try and do, Yeah, yeah,
I gotta try otherwise I'm dead inside. Yeah, otherwise I'm done.

(01:14:53):
But most paes I go Tow'm like a fucking audition
for that. But there's a little of that sometimes I'm
uh being on both sides of it. So nice I liked,
but then I always get over it right away and
I'm like, she was great. So you you go to
movies where you auditioned for the part you're watching out constantly.
But then I I genuinely not just saying this, I
will always walk away being like they had a better

(01:15:14):
take on it, right, They just said there she was great. Wow,
but firstly, um, and I'm like, I get it. I
wouldn't cast me either. Mad. All right, Thanks Casey, thank
you so much for having me. This is all right,

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all right everyone. I hope you enjoyed that. Sure did.
Like talking Clue with Casey Wilson. We just had an
immediate rapport and she was just a lovely human being.
And I can't wait to see what she's working on
with Nicole Holofsner. A little mad that she didn't tell
me she was here sooner so I could have worked
that angle and gotten Nicole Holofsener in here because I'm

(01:15:59):
such a fan of her. But I'm sure it's gonna
be great. You can follow Casey on Twitter at Casey
Rose Wilson and just support what she does because she's
one of the best. And I hope you enjoyed our
chat about Clue, And until next week, avoid the billiard room,
especially when Colonel Mustard is in there with the rope.

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