MC Classic: Silence of the Lambs

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Movie Crush, a production of I Heart Radio.

(00:28):
Hey everybody, and welcome to Movie Crush Friday Classic Edition.
You know what that means, everybody is every once in
a while, I get caught with my proverbial pants down
and I had a guest cancel or something, and I
don't have one in the hopper. And I've had to
do this couple of times, and I appreciate your patients,
but I always try and pick out a great classic episode.
I think this is the third time I've done this.

(00:49):
So this week I am going with one of my
favorite all time episodes when I got to sit down
with two of my uh professional peers and professional heroes,
Karen killed Gareth and Georgia hard Stark of my favorite murder.
That's right, everybody. If you're a murdering now, you've probably
heard this one already. But if not, get ready to

(01:10):
be delighted because I sat down with Karen and Georgia
at a great time a couple of years ago. It
out out in Los Angeles in person, and uh, they're
just so lovely and wonderful, and I think so much
about um, so much of what they've done, and there
rise to fame as podcasters and it's it's just a
great show. So check out My Favorite Murder if you haven't,

(01:31):
and listen to this episode right now where we not
only talk about podcasting and and all that other fun stuff,
but we have a great, great deep dive into the
classic thriller, one of their favorite films and mine the
Silence of the Lambs. Check it out right now and
we will be back next week with brand new episodes. Georgia.

(01:55):
When you uh texted me to invite me to the
the Theater in Atlanta to tell a murder story, I
have never been more upset that I couldn't do something.
Oh I was my in laws having like a birthday
party for one of my family members, and you know,

(02:15):
you gave me like two hours, and I was just
so whenever you come to Atlanta, and I'll just be
kind of sitting by the phone, like with no plans.
Whatsoever are we doing at next time? I don't think
so yeah, we well we'll be back to Georgia by
the way, coming to I thought you'd come to the Fox. Yes,

(02:38):
we're super excited about it. Did you forget? We just
so kind of it's so huge that we kind of
ignore it and tell it's like the day before the Foxes,
Like that's the big theater in Atlanta that grew up,
the big beautiful that's what we didn't want. Were there
last time? No, No, I was so impressed by your

(03:00):
just now. I was like, how do you know that
we've done a Fox theater? The Fox Theater is what
we're doing in Oakland. Yeah, no, you're gonna be see
I know this. This is exactly how I was hoping
this would go. You're being so Georgia right now. Um No,
you're gonna beat the Fox this fall in Atlanta and
last time you're at the Cobb Energy Center outside of Atlanta.

(03:23):
That was a good show. That was super fun. Was
that the one where I almost resprained my ankle walking out, Oh,
because we were sitting. I have tricked ankles too. So
it is so frustrating because it's a kind of thing
where when you're trying to travel with people and you
have a bad ankle, so you're like a little limpy
and a little slow anyway. But then on top of that,
like you do something dumb and then you're like, oh,

(03:44):
I may have just resprained, Like I may have just
recreated this. You stepped off a curb and there was
no curb. Yes, but I was really mad because it
started to go downhill like it was a ramp. So
I assumed after four steps I would have been able
to step right and we would giving me on the ground.
I don't blame you for that. Like, there was also
like a parking thing that I actually just drove over

(04:04):
in a parking garage just now. One of the what
are they called, like the stopper thing and create blocks, Yeah,
the bumpers or whatever. Yeah, speed bricks. You know what
every place house? I thought you meant the scary fucking
clause that like rental car places don't back out. I
get scared driving over those going forward because I think

(04:25):
you're going the right way and the right way. You
don't trust yourself or the mechanism. I actually one time
was walking out of a parking structure and I was
so concerned I was going to step on that claw
and have it go through my foot that I wasn't
paying attention to the fact that the bar came down
on my head. Oh my god, because I was like
looking down like this and then and then all of

(04:46):
a sudden it was like a thing went gunk and
then down my face and then I took like one
more step in the lady that was in the booth.
There's so many signs, don't walk here, don't know pedestrians,
and I just lazed right up the center and then
she was like, I don't walk here, like just like
insult to injury. You're humiliated and hurt. And and then

(05:08):
she came in with use this information. Was like, thank
thank you, I think at the concussion, but thanks for
the reminder of the thing that I already forgotten. And
that's so Karen. You guys are already being so yourself.
We didn't even know we were a certain kind of
person dip ships. It sounds like, well, and what stuff

(05:30):
you should know with us too. It's I'm sure, I
mean I can tell I can hear it on the show.
There's a lot of this, like what the fund is happened,
because the whole podcast explosion in and of itself is
kind of weird because, like we're saying, ten years ago,
I don't think I had a podcast, but I would
do them every once. While there were people that were
trying to start it. There was there were a lot

(05:50):
of people doing that. Remember that there was that old
It was called something Radio and it was like out
in Santa Monica and it was this big warehouse and
there was just like fifty different casks going at once. Yeah,
basically the first wave. I remember watching other people doing it,
like Greg Barren and David Anthony dealing doing projects and
then just sitting back going like, why are they trying

(06:10):
to do radio? This is weird and I'm supposed to
try to be on TV. I thought it was like
because I listened to them tenis years ago, maybe not
that many, but like I thought it was like NPR
style because it was all like a spark in life
and you like smart people ship. Yeah, So I didn't
know that it was like, you know, like just blabber.
It wasn't like that. It was. It was smart people

(06:34):
a little bit more smartish stuff back then. But I
think like it's been busted wide open now and now
there's dingongs like because when they think everyone realized you
don't need some fancy producers, don't the studio necessarily, Yeah,
you could just get a zoom and kind of slap
it up there and who cares, yea, and to the world,

(06:57):
we're going to everybody box theater, boxes in your dress
has foxed, Oh my god, gosh, how was um? Now
you just got back from like didn't go to like
fucking Norway, to Europe and then went to the and
all over. Yeah, and people are coming out in those
weird countries. In Oslo, Norway, we had an audience full

(07:20):
of a theater full of people that were laughing in
all the right places. High my thing. I think I
only told you this once, maybe twice, but I was
positive because this is happening to stand ups that I
know when you go over there, your your sets are
insanely quiet, and even if they like you, they don't
respond to like Americans responded, not verbal. It's not the
same kind of yeah. So I know I warned you

(07:44):
at least once, but in my mind I was like,
we're going to eat it royally in Scandinavia and we
just have to bear through it and then we'll get
into like London. I will be okay. And instead of
it being it was exactly the opposite. It was like
just as good, if not better than any show we've
done any Yes, sweet and I think was the best
like they were, but it was a lot of expats too,

(08:04):
so it was a lot of people who were really
happy to have a show there that they could. It's
like a unifying element, the murderingos in one room. Yeah, exactly. Well,
we did the UK and Ireland two years ago and
no one had prepped me for because our experience in
London was what you were talking about is they're not
very outwardly expressive. And I think in Dublin, in fact,

(08:26):
I think we played the same theater. In Dublin they
were great, but um in London, I was just like,
holy shit, they're not enjoying this. And after they would
come up to it and tell us how great it
was and what a fun night, and I was like, ki,
guys need to show that they're dying up there, especially
when you're talking about child murders. And then no one's
making no one's laughing, which is like clear good. Yeah,

(08:50):
but just the quietness of it all is like you
just start to think you're a terrible person. We're a
terrible person. But they're there for a reason, right, it's
the interests. But then normally we go into you know,
kind of bad things. We try to avoid child murdering
live shows just because it's hard to come back from us,
but exactly like, no, but remember when, But normally that

(09:14):
our conversation and our kind of banter brings it back up.
And so that was my worry, was like we're going
to go down and never come back up, and then
it would just be like being at a funeral, like
a recorded funeral, where it's just like that's not the
point of any of this. But they get it. I
think it's also because these days people hear what other
shows sound like and they get almost like what their

(09:37):
part is a little bit yeah, and they're just so
delighted to be there in person, Like you know how,
it's it's a very safe stage to walk out on.
I'm sure the same preolitis for us. Like we can
funk it up in the middle and I can be like, well,
that was the worst joke ever and Jerry of the
Future edit that out and everyone thinks it's hysterical and
I can't imagine going and doing stand up. But I

(09:59):
can look out in front of people and it's like
it's great. I'm not even nervous anymore because they're all
there to be supportive. That was a hard adjustment for
me in the beginning having done stand up when we
were first performing, it made I got super controlling because
I was expecting that they needed this this like very

(10:21):
um like accurate delivery jokes time dada and the craft,
yeah and yeah and and like that we needed to Hey,
if we do this, then we need to do that.
And what I realized is not only is that not necessary,
they want us to be doing it exactly what we
do in All they're looking for is to recreate the
experience in their ear holes. So their best buddies Karen

(10:43):
and Georgia hang. They just want to hang. They just
want to hang, yeah, which is a very nice, safe feeling.
Were you like, dude, what are you doing? Stop managing this? Uh?
I was like, I don't know what I'm doing. Tell
me what? Like? Of course, I was like if I
don't listen to what Karen's like, advice sage advice as
I'm a fucking asshole because you're doing this and I

(11:03):
you know, I don't know what I'm I've never done.
I've done like storytelling shows for twenty people, but I've
also done live TV, so that was helpful, but I was, um,
Karen would say to me, you do not like after
a couple of shows, she was like, you don't know
how lucky you are, and this is what you're starting with.
You know, you didn't have to be broken. I know that,

(11:28):
And I'm like the gratitude. I wake up every day
and I'm like, Okay, this is my life and I'm
so grateful. It's very, very cool. And also it's just
so much more fun. I suffered when I did stand
up comedy. I hated back in the d I hated
it personally. I was not a fan of it at all.

(11:49):
But it's also it's just a very it is incredibly difficult,
and so then I almost felt like we have to
do this, Like I just got into my head that
it was we had to do a whole different thing.
And I finally realized it was one of those Portlands
shows there was nuts and we were Even though it
was nuts, there are people. I think they sold really
big cans of beer, so everyone got a little trashier

(12:11):
than they probably even thought they would. Yeah, but it
ended up it was that thing where I went it
was like Steve Martin at the end of Parenthood, where
I went like, oh, this is good, this is like,
this is what we want to be happy when you're
having so much fun on stage that you just forget
that you're in front of It's not because they're not strangers,
are like your friends. They know you for sure, you know,

(12:32):
and that's it's sort of similar. That's why identify. It's
like it feels like a big family. And the thing
that we always get that I know that y'all get,
is we feel like we know you. We feel like
we're friends. And I always say, you know, we kind
of feel the same way because it's totally it's reciprocal
and we're all, uh, we're all in the same head frame. Yeah, totally.

(12:52):
Every single person we've met, whether it's like in the
Meat and Great after or five shows or in on
the street, a person, it's like, oh, I would be
friends with the person. It's never anyone weird. It's always
just like good people. Not yet. No, No, what's weird
is so it's like a familiar person. So it's either
somebody it's like, oh, this is my sister or this

(13:13):
is the girl I always roommates. Within college, it's always
like of the you know types that the life casting types.
It's like the same four or five different types and
even dudes to which is like, you know, they don't
give them a credit on the show, but like me,
they're like, oh, you're my friend's big brother. I totally
know who you are. Yeah, yeah, so you have a

(13:34):
I mean, I know you. Crime in general has a
larger female audience, but like, I'm a huge fan and
I know there's a lot of guys out there. How
does it break down for the shows? Just is it
really there? There's times at the those meet and greats,
which a very small amount of the people that are there.
But when like guys come around the corner will be
like boys because it just doesn't happen that often, or

(13:58):
it'll be someone with their boyfriend and then we'll go, um,
we try to get it out of them immediately. Were
you dragged here or did you you already converted before
you came, because that's the most fascinating person to meet. Yeah,
and it's also fun when, um, sometimes we'll get like
I've never heard of you guys, and I just came
with my friend and like I can't wait to download
this and listen. Even if it's ten people in a theater,

(14:21):
you think, all right, well we've converted ten more. I
mean that's the ultimate victory, right, It's like someone who's like,
I didn't even know what podcasts are. And then at
the end, my thing is I always tell this to
Georgia if I can see security guards in the room,
like there's because it's such a tenuous like true crime comedy,
you can tell there's people who are like what is

(14:41):
this and I don't like this immediately, And there was
I think that was a Texas show, yeah, where there
there was a guy standing right in the front of
the stage and I just I felt like everything I
was doing was like this is foreign about either and
he was cracking up the end. On our side, it
was awesome, But I mean it's you understand that that's

(15:03):
almost part of the job, is like you have to
convince people that you aren't that you um for our things,
specifically that people go like this is an appropriate or
you shouldn't be doing this or that, and it's like,
no, no no, no, trust us that we're actually gonna do
it right and we're not assholes and we're not we
don't think people be murdered as funny and there's a
complexity to it that we actually can handle if you

(15:24):
would just give us the benefit of the doubt, and
that's a really thrilling, thring thing to actually be able
to prove you know, that's great and want a cool
thing for you, Like you've had a long career where
I feel like you've always been working in some way
or another, and then like at this stage to hit
this like point, it's like, great, it's pretty magical. It

(15:46):
is not anything I thought was gonna happen. I was like,
maybe I'll just get a one level better staff writing
job and then then I'll be happy. But like this
thing came in out of left field, and it's like,
all right, I don't trust it. I almost don't like it.
It's so awesome and perfect. I wonder it's just going
to go away right to Lially. I was just taring

(16:07):
my therapist about that two hours ago. It's hard to
trust because it's big, and that makes you appreciate it
more and like try harder, and I think you just
have to stay grounded in that gratitude. Yeah, because I
would be doing this anyway if like I would be
doing this with you guys just down the street with
no microphone. So the idea that this is somehow bread

(16:29):
and butter, we would still be recording the podcast if
it wasn't, Like if it was you know, had way
smaller listeners and wasn't wasn't our career. Now we should
be doing it. It's fun and we love it. Like
I had a podcast for like four years that got
this you know, not a lot of downloads, but it's fun. Yeah,
it's cool medium and now well now it makes funny.

(16:52):
I never made money on it until Yeah, that's the
new part podcasting is that it's actually becoming a true
business people in a career, and it's it's that even
gets a little scary for me though, because I'm head
of content development at our network now, so I'm in
a lot of the meetings about the industry and it's
changing fucking hourly, it seems like, and like I don't

(17:14):
even know what it's gonna look like in a couple
of years. So I'm still a little bit like should
I trust this protective of the like of the podcasting
a little bit where yeah, I don't want to let
all these outsiders who were never interested in it before
into it, oh um, a little bit. But I try
to like not be that way because I have like

(17:35):
comedian friends who I know, look at me like selling
out of seat theater and they're like fuck that, and
like friends of mine, no trust me, And I know
I have plenty of friends in the industry like that
that think like I didn't earn this at all, But like,

(17:57):
what are you gonna do? People listen consume me? Yeah, exactly.
That's the beautiful part is it's like the people voted nobody,
nobody is related to anybody. It's not any of that
kind of usual ship. It's just like it's not our
fault for this is the thing people like, So yeah,
any kind of any of that. I always have that
fraud issue and that kind of like um guilt or something,

(18:21):
and that's my I don't know. As I move into
my middle age, I'm just like, who gives the fun?
You have to? It just ruins the fun if you
don't become a big asshole and think like I fucking
deserve this, right, No one deserves it? Yeah, totally. Yeah.

(18:42):
Maybe Malala George, I'm old disappointed you're not drinking? Can
Rose do we have any She's like you do. My
our babysitter, my wife and his babysitter was telling a
story the other day about being like super drunk, and
she was like, I was drinking was this can rose?

(19:03):
And I just head that episode where you were getting
like a little thick tongued. Those things are super loaded
up with it's something like really high. And she was like,
I looked at the can and I was like, well,
I'm gonna Georgia this like it wasn't just you, It's
happening all over Ye. That's why this last episode that

(19:24):
came out today you can hear. I didn't open my
can of sparkling wine until after my story was done,
because I was like, now I'm getta sit. Yeah, you
did it drink Now that's great. Uh so, well, I
know where you grew up. But for the benefit of listeners,
uh to movie crush, where did you both grow up?

(19:46):
I'm from northern California. I grew up in a town
called Pataluma, grist Wrestling Capital World and it used to
be the but the Egg Capital. But I think we
got we got knocked out, but they still have the
Butter and Eggs Day parade every year. Very egg based
um society. It's California. Yeah, I was born in l

(20:11):
A and then I grew up in Sucking Orange County.
I thought I was, but I've been here since for
twenty years back in l A R. Yeah, how did
movies figure into your respective lives growing up raised on them? Yeah,
we had in Plama. There's a um A theater downtown
that was like kind of one of those old They

(20:32):
played Rocky Horror every Friday night for for the longest
and the longest running UM showing of that, and it
was a really cool theater that they every day they
had a double feature that kind of went together, and
so it was always like they would always be like
eating Raoul and you know whatever, fast times of Richmont High,

(20:55):
but like they would kind of um, they cultivated it
a lot. So that's the movie where I saw Fame
for the first time, and the like title word came
on the screen, intensely packed out house starts. Everybody started screaming,
and then all these joints started get lit up and
I was like, oh, this is like, this is what
adults do. I was probably twelve years old the same same.

(21:19):
It was just like and that's what they did, that's
basically what they didn't. Yeah, I mean I think those
types of like, um, those types of kind of art,
the art or movies. Yeah, yeah, so it was a
big deal. It was a very big deal to me.
But my dad used to make us bring a popcorn
from home. We did a little bit mom famously, like

(21:40):
had to purse the size of a car and she
would just we would sneak in everything. Yeah, but it's
not as good, No, it's sucks ship. And he used
to put it in a grocery bag so he would
make like a huge thing, roll it up for you
and then like here's sneak That so embarrassing. And we
did the same thing. Like my parents are teachers. We
didn't have a ton of money, just sort of solidly

(22:02):
lowish middle class. Yeah, and it was a lot of
money to take a family out, and this was just
like you're not allowed to have anything. Yeah, you don't
ever get that. I don't eat popcorn and theaters because
it's like, well why would you do? I never did.
That's such a waste. Yeah, well it is insanely expensive.
I mean, yeah, he's right in a way, but it's
like I don't want popcorn. I want movie, right popcorn,

(22:25):
That's right, I just want salt popcorn. Yeah, yeah, I'll
still sneak in, like the bottle of water every now
and then, and it's just so dumb. Yeah, like what
am I doing? It's just in my d n a
to like take a few extra sugar packets, yeah, for
the road. Or napkins. Oh, napkins for sure, those are
my car tissues. I do that too. It's time. I

(22:47):
owe Starbucks about five dollars in napkins. They have good
straws to to bring home for your smoothies. Oh that's good.
Oh they don't. You're just grabbing a hand maybe, yes,
don't worry about it. That's private. Um. What were some
of your favorite movies growing up, like in the formative
years or impactful or favorite? I mean I remember the night,

(23:10):
um that Ciskel and Ebert reviewed sixteen Candles. We used
to always watch that show weekend show. Yeah, I feel
like it was on like Saturday. Yeah, like a syndicated thing.
Loved it that. I just remember they started it. They
started to run the clip and I jumped off off
the couch. So it was probably like thirteen or something

(23:31):
and stood next to TV looking at my mom, going,
you have to bring into this, you have to take me,
and she was like okay, And it was just like
I had the most visceral reaction to that. John was
there's nights like that. Yeah, it was made for me,
but there was also nothing like that, an adult kids comedy,
like a smart teen thing like that, And so she

(23:53):
brought us to it at that theater and I just
it was like I was on the John h Trained.
I mean, forget about it. He's taken, I mean really taken.
Even as a Uh, he was like I remember seeing
that movie as a teenager and as a guy being like,
I want to like I wanted to look like that
guy kind of started wearing preppy or clothes and stuff

(24:15):
like that, but I had an old Volkswagen and not
a Porsche. He was like almost better looking than Matt Dylan,
which is really like, my sister would kill me if
you heard me say that. But Betty, he was like
an updated Matt Dylan for the eighties. Yeah, he was shocking. Yeah,
Matt Dylan. I saw him recently and something I had

(24:35):
to watch for this and rumble Fish and uh, he's
like one of those guys has done solid work his
whole career, yes, but has always kept such a low
pro that you don't think about him much because he's
never in the news. You never he is he like,
you're super guy. Well, um, he was my sister's super guy,
so I absorbed a lot of that from her. She

(24:56):
was my older sister. But like, I just rewatched The
out Ciders and such a good movie. He's you never
think about it's not a kid acting, it's that he
is that character day and he does that thing, remember
that scene where he does he does the thing where
they it just shows them being greasers where they're like,

(25:16):
you know, they come upon some kids playing cards in
a field, and then he goes, it's the thing about kids.
I just don't like him, and he does this like
it's very James Dean. It's very overly dramatic, but it
is so perfectly done. And then they like like basically
threatened to kill the kids and chase them all around
or whatever. But I just want, like, you're such a

(25:37):
better actor as a like eighteen year old or even
a sixteen year old than you ever got credit for.
And he had no training. They picked him out of
his high school and put him into Over the Edge,
that crazy movie about kids you knows as the town
or whatever, and and basically that was then he just
started acting. But I'm sure he went to private classes

(25:59):
or whatever, but I mean he was a star as
he was learning about act Let's talk. I mean, we
can't not talk about little Darling's should I didn't find
until I was older because I'm I'm a little younger
than you. How do I say this without sounding like
a pick? And I know you're not. We can deal
with it, ye, little darlings I saw because I just

(26:21):
had this like tatumonial obsession because of Paper Moons, like
one of my favorite movies. I was like, I need
to watch everything with tatumonially and then I was like,
how did I know? I'm glad I didn't watch this
as a kid. I thought was my first R movie
in the theater. My cousin Cheryl snuck us in and
I was I probably think I was ten. And the
part where they're all standing around blowing up condoms with
their mouth, I had the entire audience was going insane laughing,

(26:45):
and I was like, balloons are not that funny? Why
would people laugh at the I just thought that everyone
was so stupid because I grew up a little church
boy and reformed church church boy now, but I was
not allowed to see that, so I still have seen that. Well,
the good girl does have sex and the bad girl does,

(27:05):
that's the twist, but you do not see coming. Who's
the bad girl? Um, Christie McNichol. Oh, well she was
my first crush, which I don't know what that says
about me now, but I did the thing and you
probably remember this where you would send off for like
an address to write a piece of fan mail. I

(27:25):
did this exact same thing with Kristy McNichol. Wait, usually
that was it. We probably wrote our letters the same week. Yes,
and I've said off and got her address somehow and
wrote her like a sort of a love letter. Well
I did too. You know. I love that show Family
that she was on, and she was she played Buddy
and she's like the tomboy girl, and I just thought

(27:47):
like she was the realist. Everybody else that acted on
TV had this veneer of like I'm sweet and it
was like presentational bad high school acting. And here comes
Christie McNicol and she's just like the fucking being real
and and really like, um, she has a Jodie Foster
feel to her in that it's like every she plays

(28:09):
it all small, but it's all very real and there's
like an intensity to it. And I just thought she
was amazing. And I wrote her letter and never got
anything back, and I was like, I don't like her anymore.
I cut her out of my heart. I don't remember
when my crush ended for her, has it ever? Probably
she's gay, right she is? Yeah, I think she is.

(28:29):
Maybe there's something to that, maybe, well you know what
it is. It's like they can bring more to the
role than just the standardized like yeah, I'm cute, I'm pretty,
I'm a cheerleader or whatever, where it's like there's also
other types of people in the world, and then you're like, oh,
other types of this is interesting a woman that isn't
just in address, you know, Yeah, for sure. Uh. And

(28:53):
of course the John Hughes movies were so big, Like
I remember seeing Breakfast Club in our theater in our town. Uh.
And we would just take chances on movies. I didn't
really know what it was at the time, although I
had seen Sixteen Candles, but I think that was before
I was like, oh, this is the next movie from
this director. I wasn't that savvy yet. No, none of
us knew what that meant. Yeah, that wasn't That wasn't

(29:13):
a thing back then, the pre IMDP day. Yeah, before
that was the thing. But those movies were just huge
for me growing up. Yeah, that was so funny. They
were so interesting. It was almost like for sixteen Candles,
especially the soundtrack and the closest kids were. I was like,
this is a town in Chicago where everyone's cool, and
I want to live in that town, and like would

(29:35):
I even fit in in that town? It stressed me
out and it was like there was some There was
some part where Molly Ringwald has a blue binder and
she she the rave Ups was written is like, you know,
like doodles on the binders that you can see as
she's walking. And I completely wrote the Rave Ups on
my binder. I'd never heard the band. I didn't even
know it was a band or what it was, but

(29:56):
I was just like, whatever this whole lifestyle is, I
want I want it. And the notebook doodling and well
pre notebook dooling. I guess it was like the trapper
Keeper stuff. And we were like young youngs that your
experience or is this all like old people behind? Well,
but I had older siblings, so I kind of I'm
sure there with the you know timeline. But then there

(30:19):
was this time in high school where I I just
got really big into the eighties and I was like,
this is my fucking thing. I'm obsessed, And so I
got the soundtrack to Breakfast Club on vinyl I and
then I also went to Rocky Horse Live. I was
just obsessed. But you know, yes, you had Eighties for
a while. Yeah, but you know, growing up in the eighties,

(30:40):
I had no supervision, so I watched all the same things.
There was no like, you know, nothing was off limits.
So yeah, yeah, I was sort of monitored. I was
the third kid, though, so I got less monitoring as
I grew up too. But coming from like a church household,

(31:01):
like I couldn't see little Darling's and I was embarrassed
when I remember like asking my mom so embarrassing now,
but asking my mom to take me out of Greece
during the sleep overseen because they were in their underwear
was like, mom, I don't want to well, and I
just thought it was embarrassing because my mom was there,

(31:22):
and growing up Southern Baptist, I thought like sex and
nudity was the dirtiest, most awful thing that you could do. Yeah,
And I'm still unpacking that. I mean, that's that's what.
That's the great gift that religion gives you, that just
keeps on giving right for you, which is a different
thing to unpack. It is. It's um, but that sex

(31:44):
guilt is so weird. It's just like, what the like
feelings that you're having you have no control over and
that you and that every other person on the planet
has and you still, like Jesus is mad. But I
feel about it right now. It's fussed up and so
damaging because it's biology. Yeah, and you're told that you're

(32:05):
not feeling like the things you're feeling are wrong. Yeah,
but that's a different episode. Did you grew up wonderfully
atheist in your house? That's a different podcast altogether. I
grew up Jewish, like very very reformed Jewish, and from
with parents, especially my mom, who was like the where
did I come from? Thing? Like from a very young age,

(32:26):
what I love that, that's the best. So I had
to rein mine back, like instead of being like, oh,
this is scandalous, I had to be like, no, George,
some ship scandalous because it always has anything and sex
was not a big deal. So when I got older,
I had to realize, like sex is a big deal
and you and I kind of had to put some
you know, brains on that. But the foot washing, but

(32:48):
the washing the mons washing station, because that was your
principle Spanish. It was a absolute ones that should not
have been at that school. Definitely, I'll probably pepper and
little things for the murder hingos, because there are quite
a few of them that are very excited about this,
these worlds colliding. Yeah, it's very cool and it's so nice.

(33:10):
Thank you so much, because that's so nice to have
your own insane inside jokes referenced on another pot. And
I mean I haven't even been listening that long, probably
about eight months, um, but I went to like pretty
pretty quickly and deep straightly, pretty radily, thank you and
sorry so many. I was going to try and work

(33:32):
in my favorite little road things that you guys do,
but um, I'll probably just go ahead and tell you,
um instead of doing that inorganically. Obviously, I know that
you probably know yours right mine, But it's ship that
we do on a normal basis that was done our
whole lives, and suddenly people are like that thing you

(33:53):
do consciously I love it, and then you get really
self conscious of it. But it's the best think and
for yours. What I was gonna do is My favorite
thing that you do is oh shit, no one's ever
brought that up. Oh do you not realize that's a
Karen thing. I don't think I do. Oh shure, yeah,

(34:16):
I hear it. My thing is the this exactly what
I'm about to do right now, and what I'm doing
right now where I have to preamble his statement with
four other statements that are like here's the thing, and
I need you to know this. It's like I have
to stop the room when no one's no one's going
to interrupt me. It's insane and the scene. Yeah, when

(34:38):
we had Paul holes on, I did it. There was
one way I tried to ask him and I did
it about six times in a row where I'm like,
you sound like a crazy You sound like someone who
doesn't know what they want to say, but you think
you'll just work your way up to if you keep talking, right.
I love it, and I think that's why I like
our conversations work so well as in my family, Like
you can start in the middle of a conversation three

(34:59):
weeks later, and then the person would be like yeah,
and they're right there with you, like you just don't
finish thoughts, you don't finish sentences. In the middle of
my conversation with my therapist today, we were talking about
something deep. She goes to take a sip of her
water and it's a water brand that might advertise with us,
and I was like, you know, and so I did, hey,
do you like that water? And she didn't miss a beat,

(35:21):
got right back to it. It was the best she does.
She does like it. Okay, good water. I'm noto gonnat.
They don't hanging us to talk about one where it was.
But when you get a guy like holes in there

(35:41):
who doesn't like isn't a fan of your show? I
assume no, he's never listened, So yeah, I imagine that,
so you probably do think he thinks we're crazy. Yeah,
And also he's just what I realized with that and
all the feelings around it that we've had to unpack
for weeks now. Um, he's it's the person like I

(36:03):
don't I'm pretty sure you don't care about celebrities per se.
But these people that actually do this work that we
read article act article about and they're actually the ones
that do the hard, awful work that no one wants
to do. Um, there's a nobility to it, and there's
like it's what you actually project onto celebrities is what
most people are like, Oh, Matt daven he's such a

(36:25):
great guy, and it's like, we don't really know anything
that Damon's doing, but like when you project them onto
poll Hole's you're probably gonna be pretty right because he
even if he's the worst person and on the weekend,
he spends those other five days fighting the good fight.
And so yeah, when he was there in front of us,
there was just that kind of he was so good

(36:46):
at talking about this thing we're so obsessed with and
about the specifics of it, about the real the real
work of it and a real job of it. It
was so amazing. Yeah, and not getting rich to doing it,
Let's be honest, No, I don't think. So it is
weird to go from this, Like you know, I think
probably being in the entertainment industry, just to meet someone
who has like a purpose and meaning in their lives

(37:09):
is really and and you know, integrity and it's just
nice to meet someone like that. And so you're in
all of them in a way that I'm not with
the you know, some celebrity actor or whatever. Right, well,
and you guys nerd out so much on forensic science
and people like corners and people who do autopsies, and

(37:31):
it is I mean, it's the hardest job. It's just
like some awful thing happens that's so awful. Everyone like
turns away and there's a team of people to go
in at that point and clean up the awfulness. And
that's amazing to Yeah, we did a crime scene clean
up episode on stuff once and like really researching the
nitty gritty of that ship is just like amazing. Yes,

(37:55):
because a lot of times they're just civilians, right that
start their own company and yeah, that's and they're like, yeah,
it's never bothered me, and it's pretty good money. And
why people make the decisions they make helping people because
like in Michelle's book, I'll Be Done in the Dark,
she talks about the brother in law coming in to

(38:15):
like clean up you know, crime scene and it's so
they didn't have that before, you know, have crime scene
clean up companies, so the family had to do it.
It's so awful and that's like every movie ever with
the the scrub rush and the blood stain on the rug. Yeah, exactly, Yeah,

(38:45):
all right, well we can get into Silence of the Lambs.
Um here is my first experience with this movie, which
is a little crazy. I was a freshman in college
and the university had a theater like the University Theater,
where they would show movies and then sometimes they would
be a sneak preview of another movie and you could stay.
So I went and saw Dancing with Wolves because I'm

(39:07):
in college, I still had nothing to do sucking. Four
hours later and they said, if you want to stay after,
we're going to be screening a movie with Anthony Hopkins
and Jodie Foster Silence of the Lambs. And I was like,
all right, and it sounds it heard Anthony Hopkins Silence
of the Lambs Jodie Foster, and I thought this is
probably like a merchant Ivory thing, some period peace And

(39:29):
cut to like an hour later and I'm just fucking like,
what am I watching right now? So I can't imagine
like a weirder way to see that movie than to
not know anything about it going into it. But it
was awesome and just like from the very beginning. It's
been one of my favorite movies of all time. Yeah,
it has one of the best beginnings. Yeah, It's like

(39:50):
it sets you to place, and it introduces you to
a person, and it does all these things really clean
and really clear without words, with outwards and with her
just struggling and like I mean like the Quantico. Yeah,
her running that getting checked out by male a big
group of guys that she's all by herself and she

(40:11):
has to climb that thing getting into the elevator or
the teen tiny little Yeah, and it's it's just like,
so I lived in I was also in college. We're
pretty much the same age, I think. Um, And I'd
read the book and that in that crazy ghost story
that I've told you already read the book. I'd already
read the book, um, because my sister and her friend,

(40:34):
my sister's friend Adrian like was like here, read this
and it was man Hunter. Um, and then so then
it was Science of Lambs and right, because that's after
and that I think it is I think Man Hunter's first.
But but I read it over the weekend and then
had a weird ghost experience in the house that I

(40:54):
was living in because I was there by myself. Um
it's really long, but basically, UM, I read this book
so much that I kind of started to believe I
was clarice startling like in as I was reading, and
it was like, this is happening to me. And then
that night I went to bed full house that had
we'd already been having weird things happened, but we weren't
acknowledging it to each other. We were just like, I

(41:15):
don't know, you know. And then that night I woke
up in the middle of night hearing footsteps out in
the dining room and I was like, I can't believe
I'm gonna get murdered like this. Like I just completely
was like, this is this is everything I've always feared
and it's actually happening. And I heard the footsteps come
down the back hallway, walk through, open the one door
to the bathroom, walk on a linoleum, opened the door

(41:38):
to my bedroom, and then I heard feet on the
carpet in my bedroom. I felt weight on the mattress.
I tipped backwards and I was like just frozen solid,
and then I felt arms go around my waist and
squeeze and then it was over and there was there
was no one there, and it was, you know, three
thirty in the morning. I called my sister and thank

(41:58):
god she lived across town and made her come and
get me and stayed with her for the rest of
the weekend, and everybody came back. It was crazy. But
I do know that that book set a tone for
It was that kind of thing where I couldn't stop
reading it. So I started reading it in the morning
and then the sun went down and the house got
dark around me, and I was reading that book because

(42:20):
it's just so like her alone trying to, you know,
solve this thing. Yeah. I read American Psycho in college
when I was working the midnight to eight am shift
at a convenience store, and I don't know how you're
supposed to take that book. And years later with the movie,
I was like, oh, this is sort of like the
darkest comedy, or at least the way Mary Herron directed it.

(42:45):
Tongue and shake a little, I guess, because that's what
the movie is sort of like. But when I was
reading the book, it was scary as ship. And when
you work overnight like that, you just the fluorescent lights
were buzzing. And for that like week I was in
a really really weird headspace. So I know, like a
book can creep in like movies can, but when you're
immersed in a book over like hours and days, it

(43:05):
can really kind of funk with your heads, right because
it's like a movie in your head. You're the one
that's directing the movie. Yet when we went to see So,
it was the Tower Theater in Sacramento, which is a
big old theater, really huge screen, and so we went
to see the movie. I knew it, so I was like, well,
you know when and um it was like we were

(43:26):
we all when it was over turned to each other.
We're like, we're coming back tomorrow night, like we immediately
we went so insane and it was the best movie
I've ever seen, second only I think too or up
there with The Fugitive, which we also saw in that theater.
And I'm sure it was the theater experience as just
as much as anything. But I just couldn't believe how

(43:47):
I love to look for parts where I go, this
is where you fall apart, this is where this starts
to suck. And I feel like in in Sounds the
Lamb's you cannot do that. It's in your perfect film
and there aren't many. What do you remember your first
time seeing it? Well, yeah, recently I rewatched I watched
last night. But recently I rewatched it after a while,
and I was and I remember watching it in the theaters,

(44:09):
and so I went to look what year it came
out and realized that I was ten years old when
I saw it, because you see, and I was like,
what the fuck is wrong with my parents? And I'll
tell you what. They were divorced when I was really young,
and so my dad had us every other weekend. What
you did was go, I'm so like with our three
of us, and it was took us to the movie theater,

(44:32):
threw us in there. I was like, go watch a
fucking movie movie, leave me alone. So my sister and
I went and watched Silence of the Lands. She was
like maybe twelve or thirteen, and I just couldn't believe it,
and like, no wonder I have insomnia and anxiety. It's
just like the most bucked up movie. And I was
in love with it. And I didn't, as you were
saying to you, I didn't understand half of it, MiGs,

(44:54):
And I was like, what did you proud her face?
I totally didn't. I don't know. I think I got
that when I was in because I was I didn't
understand flinging sperms like I don't think I do. But
then he did that so perfectly, because that could have
been a really gross, salacious and almost like they did
that in exactly the way where you got as upset
as you needed to be. But you also it was

(45:16):
not go to Eli Roth had directed that scene. You
have seen full on hard penis. Yeah, you would have seen. No,
there have been no mystery in any way, shape or form,
which is yeah, sorry, even last night when I watched it,
and this keeps happening. Is I see new things, and
I understand new things, and I you know, there's a
lot of mumbling in that movie that I didn't understand

(45:39):
what they were saying at the time, and I kind
of got things a lot. I understood it a little more. Yeah,
it's just but I think that's what happened. When you
watched that at ten years old, You're not going to
kick off on a lot of those. Also, your brain
might have gone like we need to shut this down now, clearly. Yeah,
I know, I remember watching it many times and after that,
so he must have let us rent it party. It's

(46:04):
just really scar super deep. Yeah, but I this is
actually a sidebar, but I just realized when you were ten,
I was twenty one cute thing in the world. I know.
I've never thought you were a different age than me.
I knew it seems sexually because coming to you at ten.
I always think about this because my husband's alter than me, Like,

(46:25):
what if I'd come up to you at ten, like, hey,
everything would have been like, I can't wait to see
the movie of y'all's story. That's that's going to be
the most adorable scene ever friends and be like, what
do you have any clothes? No, those burnt holes in

(46:50):
your lungs when that's what they said about clothes that
my mom told me there was tiny shards of glasses. Yeah,
I love yeah, because she found them in my pocket
when I was in high school and she did the
classic like she came upstairs and she was like, I
found these in your pocket. I was like, she goes,
you can smoke them if you want to, but there's
tiny shards of glass anyway, and like left, I remember

(47:12):
that too. That's bullshit, of course, right total, Because I
were to too, I would put tiny shards of glass
and anything I don't know, just like please sue us
and would say that, yeah, of course, that's the gateway
drug clothes. All right, let's smoke a close right now,
the grossest, gross like most, Like I wish I was goth.
I can't even get it together to be goth. So

(47:34):
I'm gonna smoke clothes that. Remember that taste the movie Ladybird.
They do it so perfectly where she smokes a clover
and lick your lips, and I remember that taste right
when that happened. That's sweet candy. Before you can get
your hands on drugs. When you're just getting your hands right,
you can get your hands on it like I shouldn't
be doing or like you get a little bit lightheaded. Yes, yeah,

(47:56):
it's funny. My daughter is almost three and she was
spinning the other day. She was smoking a clove the
other and she was spinning and got dizzy, and I
made a joke. I was like, spinning, that's the gateway drunk.
That's the first one. Because you could see it in
her eyes. She was a little drunk and she was
like this feels kind of good. Yeah, it's like that's
where it's sucking. Starts your eye on that one spinning.

(48:17):
Uh So this movie was the um I think, only
the third film in history to win the Big Five,
which is just amazing. And and if you consider this
a horror movie, which I don't fully, but it's the
first movie of this type to win Best Picture ever.
Uh And since so one obviously pictured director, actor, actress,

(48:38):
and screenplay. Um So it wasn't just like I think,
in anyone else's hands, it could have been just a
little tawdry thriller. But like DEMI was such a master
and I was so sad when when he passed away
because he was I think one of the more underrated
filmmakers of his time, and that whole thing of you know,

(48:59):
he to really fight to do that thing where talking
straight into camera. Yeah, they fought him on that, I
think from when I saw some documentary, but I can't
remember if it was the studio or what the situation,
or if it was other people on. But that was
his vision that kind of a lot of people didn't
believe it, and he basically got Jodie Foster and Anthony

(49:21):
Hopkins to believe this was going to be the best
way to do it. And I feel like that's everything
in that movie. Is it totally is they're talking to
you when she walks up, You're walking up when he
says hello, Clari's you know, like that moment, it's happening
to you. And it's not just the Hannibal character, like
he does that with Scott Glenn and all the Sheriff's

(49:44):
deputies in the room, Like he has all those first
person shots where you're Jody, where you're Clarice for a
moment you feel what it's like. I love that that
scene where she has to that's such a They do
so many things. I love that they show she is
a beginner and she has to try out these things.
She's not automatically great at everything. So that whole thing

(50:06):
where she has to tell what eleven like Sheriff's decay,
her family would thank you if they could. That whole
speech she has to get where she never done that before,
and she has to she has to assert herself and
then afterwards telling him like it matters. They look to you,

(50:26):
it matters. It was like sudding like that when I
noticed for the first time last night when I watched
it that she turns around to put the stuff under
her nose for smelling like even that as a private
moment and it's like it's embarrassing. Well, and in that
autopsy scene, she just uh, like I agree, making her
a rookie or a student even it was just a
stroke of genius because when she's in the autopsy scene,

(50:50):
she she gets that ship together so fast and sorry,
is that next door? Is that torturing a dog? Okay,
it sounds like something bad? All right, baby picking up.
So during the autopsy scene, she gets her ship together
so fast that uh, And I've seen it so many times,
but different things like stand out, and that one really

(51:10):
stood out is this is a scene that was making
the men in the room sick. And she turns around
and it's right there and she's like, all right now,
now it's time for me to do my job. Yeah,
I have to have the job I don't even have yet. Yeah,
I have to level up and be in charge. And
also it's the thing that is what good mentors do
is they make their their um ment. He's kind of like,

(51:32):
do the hardest possible thing so that they learn. And
the way she is talking into that tape recorder, it's
she's not being the way uh, Scott, the Scott Glung
character would be Um, she's you can hear her voice
great hang, and she's emotional and she's describing these horrible things,

(51:52):
but she's also like trying to keep it under wraps.
It's just and she does. I just Jodie Foster is
such an unsung I mean, she's pretty song, but I
feel like she's levels and levels above what people appreciate
her for. It's almost like it's so natural for her
that people don't notice how fucking great she is. She's like,
I put a, Yeah, she does, and she makes it

(52:14):
look real, so it's like there isn't a bunch of
extra eyebrows or whatever. And emotional moments I put a.
I tweeted a joke the other day and it was like,
am I really going to eat popcorn again for dinner?
And then I put up the gift of her going yes,
And it's that. But the reason that gift is so
perfect is because she has a single tear sitting on

(52:38):
her eyelid, her bottom eyelid right here that hasn't dropped
and probably never dropped. So it's the end of the
actual are the lamb still screaming scene? And she doesn't
do anything except for her eyebrows come together a little
bit sadly and she just goes, yeah. But she doesn't

(52:59):
like micro micro it's such good. You know why. It's
because she's fucking holding that tear. She's sucking that tear
in and concentrating only on not showing that tear fall.
That's like the feeling you get watching it right, because
she can't. She shows that to Hamble Letter like she
has to tell him the worst story that he wants.
He wants the tears, and she has to give him

(53:20):
just enough to get out to get to the next step.
But she can't like fall victim or prey to him.
Got that dance like I didn't realize until the other day.
The way this is first described when Scott Glenn says
what he wants her to do. He calls it an
interesting errand she's like, is it an you know, a
job or something. He's like, it's an interesting errand like,

(53:41):
fucking are you kidding me? Talk about under selling something? Yeah,
And that first shot of him when the camera's going
down that fucking dungeon hallway and he's just standing there
so like erect and still just like chilling, like like
chicken skin right now. And you know that was his choice,
and those are like acting choices and just play it

(54:02):
all like that. He was going to be very formal,
and he was going to be very professional with her,
and he was going to be very kindly. And then
then that contrast when he's like and all that ship
is like then, because he really is he's a super genius,
is this doctor and he's a manipulator. Yeah, so he's
like a genius. Wouldn't sit there and be like acting

(54:23):
like a vampire, or they wouldn't make no sense, like
you have to hide and plain sight, dr Lecter. So
like the whole I think his hands behind are behind
his back, aren't they. Yeah, he's just sort of standing.
It looks like a statue and the only thing moving
is his eyes following her. But that dance that it
sets up with those two, it's just it's like cinema
history like unfolding right there in front of your eyes.

(54:43):
So good, so great, people will think we're in love.
One of the great lines of that movie. Elusive so great. Uh.
And and before that, you know they set up with
the Creek doctor Chilton, who was really the villain of
the movie. Yeah, you know, like one of the great
movie villains. Is that guy again another like an unsung

(55:04):
character actor killed that you don't think for one second
that guy isn't real totally totally, and he's one of
those dudes that he's cast in that movie and he
can only be that forever for me. Yeah, yeah, all.
I think everyone in that movie, unfortunately, some of like
the bitter poor guy. That's who you are. And he's
had a good career, but like it's he managed to
overcome that. I think he did one of the cop shows, right,

(55:26):
he's on Monk. Okay, I never watched Monk. He's actually done.
He's probably done more than months. He was also on
he was just on The Alienist. He was one of
the guys on The Alienist. I haven't seen that yet,
but I know your recommendation is what makes me want
to watch it. Who was he read the book? He
was the he was like the I think he had

(55:47):
been at the retired police Captain or something. He was
like he'd always be driving around in a carriage and
pulling up and telling people what to do and not
to do. I gotta go back. He's got the kind
of a big blonde mustache, but that voice, like when
I first saw him in Monks. My mom used to
love monks, so it was always always be on my horse.
But the first time he's like, it's like always times

(56:08):
about You're like, I can't, you can't be in Monks.
You have people in your basement. Yeah, you know what
I didn't pick up on. This is another thing that
he was the son, right that the son of whoever
was living in the house. Oh, yes, or no, Oh,
I don't think he was, because he goes she had
a son. The son I think was the person in

(56:31):
the bathtub. No, that was her. She had like long hair.
She was an old lady in the bathroom. Did she Oh,
I don't know what her name MSUs. I don't know.
I thought he was another guy that could also, so
he was. I think he was her son she had.
I don't know. I thought you guys were to answer
all these questions for me that I never thought that,

(56:52):
But it was only because I had already. And I
don't know if I got that from the book, if
I made it up that he worked with her, he
worked for her as a tailor. Well, I think it
was her in the bathtub. Because she had long otld
Lady gray hair got that bathtub. I'm sorry that was
so out of left field. No, I don't know the
answer to that, and I should because the host Benjamin.

(57:12):
I'm just gonna say that every time I don't know something.
My favorite is any time I need to use a phone,
which is rare because we all have phones. But I
love to say, you see a murdering made to fucking
cross stitch with that on it and posted it today,
May I use your phone? And please? And there's another
quote from that that she made a cross like a

(57:34):
you know, embroidery. Oh, I have to see I haven't
seen it yet. I know. Ridiculous, isn't it? Because it's
people who like they like true crime, but they also
like arts and crafts, very high level. Well we heard recently.
This is a random aside. But our listeners the thing
they like, they like the podcast, and the thing they
like next is books and reading. So it's just this

(57:57):
perfect thing of smart people like doing after you cool
shit and reading and having good ideas and being legitimately funny. Yeah,
it's exciting. Hey, everyone, we took a little potty break
and I think we were talking about what's in the tub,

(58:18):
Mrs because Karen is currently looking it up. We need
to get to the bottom of this. UM. I just
clicked on whatever the first um website is, so it's
it's definitely I'm gonna get mad when I hear her
name because I'm gonna um it's presumably Mrs Lipman's body

(58:46):
has been festering in that old tub for the better
part of two years. That's right, he's Mrs Lipman's son
because he names Jamie Gum Jane Gum Jamee Gum creep
here does Oh yeah, you're right, y j a m E. Okay,
so who is he to her? I think he was
her employee? Okay, okay, so he worked as a But

(59:08):
then where's her sons? What it was? Is it? Yeah?
All right, Doug coming in with I'm finally not alone. Uh.
But also that's kind of the fascinating thing is that
like he is he's basically this weird parasite that took
over that house, Yeah, killed her, and then did he

(59:28):
dig that basement to come with a dungeon? And he's
like this is this is perfect? Now? So one of
the more more iconic parts, well, first of all, real quick.
I do have a note here when they first meet,
when lecturing and Claric's first meet, it's even creepier when
he's smelling you know, eddy and skin cream, and he

(59:52):
doesn't smell the perfume she's wearing. He smells the perfume
she usually wears, which adds a whole extra layer of like, yeah,
which is pretty great. Yes, he's a super taster for sure.
Doctor literally literally such a perfect like sequence there when
they first meet, and then we get the well, she

(01:00:15):
goes to the garage with a head in the jar.
That's Benjamin Raspan. That whole My dream is just go
through that the real life, that garage minus the head.
There's so many good so many good items, like things
with fringes on in the back, and you're like, whose
house was this? Like where's the stuff from? Have you
ever done that? Like an explored an abandoned place like that?

(01:00:36):
That's my dream. I go to a state sales a lot,
but they're not breaking houses a lot, but I don't
take anything. My brother and I used to do that.
My dad took pictures of like countrysides when we were kids,
so he would drag us out to these old abandoned
barns and things, and my brother and I would like
scavenge and run around from Orange County where everything is

(01:00:56):
fucking just built up and and mapped out. Didn't have
old farms. We didn't have that utu. We had that
in peddlement every because we also lived five miles out
of town, so it was like basically every field as
you walked down had a like a chicken coop that
was listening to one side because it was so old.
And I, yeah, we used to walk through there and

(01:01:17):
there would just be old leftover farm equipment, blades and
hooks and ships, and we just like walked through and
pick stuff up and down and walk away where it's
like now because somebody should have been taken care of totally.
There's like dust and bird shit and just definitely, Yes, Yeah,
Hannibal kills megs Um in a way talk talks Aim

(01:01:41):
into it. Yeah, talks him into swallowing his tongue, which
is the first sort of little bit of magic in
their relationship in a weird way because you get the
senses of you were like he's like protecting her, Yeah, yeah,
punishing megs from being ungentlemanly. He has he has a
moral code just not standard, right, but it is there.

(01:02:03):
There are things he will not accept in things that
he you know, lines that heat crosses. He like he
respects her from the beginning. I think, yes, but how
hard would it be to go he understands how hard
that was for her? But also how how manipulative must
he be if all he has to do is whisper
to the cell next door and get someone to kill themselves.
I mean, yes, it's a psychopath, but is that in

(01:02:25):
the book, Like what he says, what he says to
Meg's Yeah, not that I remember. I would say no,
But I'm not positive, all right, because I always wanted
to know, Like what is selector fucking saying? He says
while you're talking in all these different accents. It tastes great,
just try and uh and so at the end of
fact one, of course, it's funny too as a writer,

(01:02:47):
like you can like set your clock by it, like
right at that thirty minute mark is when we like
our story is all set up and he is on
board to help her collect and catch buffalo bill, yeah,
like from his dungeon cell. And that just sort of
sets the whole story in motion. And then immediately smash
cut to American Girl by Tom Petty. Yeah, and the

(01:03:09):
best casting when she when in any movie, have you
seen a girl that looks like Katherine Martin in that
way where it's just she is. It's not some starlet,
it's a real girl that you want to high school
that you know, that's real. That's everything in that movie
is just so perfect. She pops up a lot, and
every time I see her, I just think, American Girl,

(01:03:30):
don't get in the van, don't do it, get me
out of here, you bid, don't help you here. Well,
I mean that's what you guys preach like over and
over and over is don't do that. Don't help the guy,
not at night, not with a van. And that's like
prime example, when your cat's hungry upstairs, I know, and
it's so creepy, like you know, get in and like

(01:03:54):
just a little further back, you're not gonna be like, oh,
this is the point where I'm not gonna help you anymore.
You're not going to do that in like probably had
an inkling. She's getting shock like she does go yeah, okay, okay,
yeah that's right and kind of laughs a little like
chilling and heartbreaking and it is also anyone that follows

(01:04:16):
true crime that saw that move for the first time,
it's just like, right now, we're in a combination. But
this is Ted Bundy, like textbook Ted Bundy. Yeah, this
is how he got all of those women to get
into his sailboat thing, which is broken arm and was
always helping him do something. Yes, and then you go,
she'd go with him to the car and well, oh,
my sailboats. Actually I thought, you knew, just come with

(01:04:38):
me to my house. That's where I need help. And
he was handsome, so he was able to charm their
way in handsome and like I think, low key, you know,
like he was. He was. It's that thing where people
think if you're around, uh, like a psychopath, that you're
going to get a vibe of psychopath, when in fact,
because there's brilliant psychopaths, they're ever going to give you

(01:05:00):
that vibe. You will never see it coming from mile away.
That's how they do it. We were raised not to
be rude and say, oh, funk, this guy's giving a
weird vibes. I'm gonna get the funk out of here.
Be like, you know what, never mind, that's why you're
doing a service like key rude if you have to
be Yah, we did the Stuff you should Know episode

(01:05:21):
on sociopaths and had people right in, like sociopaths right
in and say, please don't share this. I'm a sociopath,
and um, I basically spend my days pretending that I'm not,
and I have to fake laugh and I have to
fake myself in meetings at work. And I have a

(01:05:42):
family and I've talked to my son about it and
like we're open about it. And it's this fucking chilling
to read, but also like it's good that they know
this and that they are dealing with it. But it's
just the majority aren't murderers too, and with different sociopathy
and psychopathy or two different things, but not It's there's

(01:06:03):
a fine line, it's very close. It's very close. Well.
And also I think it's such if you're a sociopath
and you don't have essentially it's like you don't have empathy,
you don't have that connection, right, So it you are
making a choice to care enough to fake lass, right.
That's what's interesting to me is that's you know, that's
the divergence there is like who raised you that you

(01:06:27):
know to do that, or you want to do that
as opposed to wanting to go I want to do
whatever I want. Yeah. Yeah, we had a woman with
a daughter that wrote in who was a sociopath and
it was just really interesting and fascinating and sad. Yeah
they're born that way, right, you know? Yeah? All right

(01:06:47):
that the uh so Jodie Foster Clares is getting tested
through the entire movie. I feel like it's it's just
one giant test after test after test from either Scott
Glenn Um and I feel like when I first used
to watch that movie, I didn't think he was taking
care of her enough, But now as an adult, I'm

(01:07:09):
like he was probably kind of doing the right thing,
trying to bring her along to be a good FED.
I didn't understand until they watched it recently that he
wasn't hitting on her Like I didn't guess that there
wasn't actually sexual h undertones. There weren't, right, No, I
don't think so I do. But um, well, for me,

(01:07:35):
I always felt it was of course he couldn't do that.
So he's a FED. He's like the person that can
turn off his feelings and he has to for the
job and all that but I do feel like he
picked her because he admired her. He knew her story,
and he knows she's this fucking orphan that that is
a self made man, and he knows how picked her.
She's trying and she challenged him in his class too, yes,

(01:07:57):
and that's right at the beginning, you learned that. Yeah,
he remembers her, and so he's like, this is he
passed to to have a woman. There probably aren't that
many to choose from, but he knows the work she's
been doing. Yeah, I think it's that. Yeah, right, And
he sets her up by not telling her at the
very beginning and he was like, you know, I couldn't
tell you that, right, which was right, exactly right, but

(01:08:19):
I didn't. I think it took me being an adult
watching this movie, even though I've seen it like kind
of probably every year since i've seen it, but it
kind of finally hit home, like he's probably doing the
right thing as a boss, Yes, for sure, to train
her in the right way. You don't get trained by
like what's what you want it to be. It's like
you have to go in there and do the job
that needs to get done and then learn something. And

(01:08:41):
I mean the way I love the way when she
first goes to see him, like that whole conversation she
has with Barney where he's like calming her down, and
the more he tries to calm her down, the crazier
it makes me feel. It's like, how bad is this
going to be? That you are being this like? And
I'm gonna watch you and everything's fine and we're fine.
But it's like, clearly nothing's fine if you're this like,

(01:09:04):
you have to be this calming. I just think that
there's that It's that like watching a person, which is
also a lot like life where we're students, but then
we actually have to go and like really live it
and do something real and it's not gonna who knows
what it's really going to be like, but you have
to go try. Yeah. Like the most lame, innocuous version

(01:09:25):
of that is you can take Princh classes till the
cows come home, but until you go live in Paris
for a year. Uh and um, this is a coastal
elite talking. That was my reference. You really just got
to live in Paris. Oh my god, you love the
Es so much. It's true, you have you can't run
around on Quantico with the rest of your life. There's

(01:09:46):
like extra scenes in that movie. And there is the
scene where they run the drill and go and you know,
swat into the room and she's dead. Yeah she doesn't.
I don't know that. It doesn't look in a corner.
Yeah there, And that's not an extra scene. It's there
to be like she's not ready for you know that
she still needs training, but for some reason she's being
thrown into this other world. And that foreshadowing. Then when

(01:10:11):
you when she when he dips around that corner weird
like and she's like just stop right there or whatever.
You know that this is a person who already you're
dead starling like, yeah, this is she's going to die.
That's what you know for a fact. Because if she
didn't pass it when it was fake, how in God's

(01:10:31):
name no, I mean, how brilliant. It's a perfect movie.
It's perfect, it really is. There's not a wasted shot.
Everything has relevant. God, that score looks so good. And
every time I hear American Girl, it's the only thing
I think that's a Tom Petty. So that's hard to do. Yeah,

(01:10:52):
it is to to overcome Tom Petty's Tom pettiness, and
I feel like there are directors who could have made
that night vision goggle scene um really cheesy, Like it
could have kind of gone off the rails and turn
into it like an action movie. Her breathing, like I
almost had a panic attack when I saw it in
the theater for the first time because it's so realistic.

(01:11:13):
When she's like, yeah, have you ever won those night
vision goggles? No, but I think there's a I think
there's an help. You can simulate it. Yeah, you have
night vision camera on your phone. Really, that's frightening. I
know it's probably some kind of simulation because the technology

(01:11:33):
is not there hopefullly known nefarious, nothing nefarious is happening there. Yeah.
My brother in law's in the Marines, and so he
let me play with them one night when I was
like seventeen, like walk around this neighborhood. It was pretty cool.
Was it crazy? Yeah, it's amazing. Could you see tons
of ship? It mean, it looks just like the movie,
like it operates on available light. Though he can't be
in pitch darkness. It'll it just amplifies like a candle

(01:11:55):
light times or whatever. Thousand. So um, I guess I
don't know if that's a mistake in a movie or not,
because I don't think there's maybe there's some light down there.
There's got to be something. There's a little bit of
it from his weird sewing room. Oh, right under the door,
maybe with a Nazi blanket, fast blanket. Again. I never
noticed that. It's it's so unnerving where you're just like, Okay,

(01:12:16):
this is weird. I don't like that he's putting on
lipstick and talking in this weird voice. I don't like that.
And then you just like passes by a thing where
you're like, oh, this is not okay, Yeah, this isn't
I didn't notice. Another thing I didn't notice is that
he's wearing someone else's scalp when he's in front of
the camera. Oh is that right? Yeah, the penis tux

(01:12:36):
when he's number one. Yeah, when he's putting the eyes
shadow on, there's piece of scalp. And his hair is
he's got full blonde. That's right. I think I noticed that.
I was just assumed it was a wig. Nope, it's
there's a piece of fucking scalped. I have not noticed that.
I believe, like you need to see this. Wow, that's good.

(01:13:00):
I've watched this movie. My wife and are obsessed with
this movie too. And it was on like whatever five
or six months ago, and I was in the bedroom
and she didn't know was on, and she was in
the kitchen doing something and that scene was on and
I paused it right at that moment and just sort
of left it on the TV. And then she she
walked in and looked and it was just like, oh Jesus,
how cool it would be, Like, like, listen if someone

(01:13:21):
is at a dive bar with me and puts on
that song on the fucking jukebox, creepy song and win awards.
I can hear it. What song is that loves Jezebel? Yeah,
I think it is. It's a bit obscure, but you
can't hear that song and immediately Like sometimes I can
hear American Girl and not think of that. Yeah, but

(01:13:42):
there's no way you can hear that song without thinking
of the penis duck, like one of the creepier scenes
I've heard. Well, now you know that he's also wearing scout. Yeah,
well I gotta I gotta watch it yet again. And
he has he has the worst voice, Like I'm my
apologies to that actor, but it's like his voice is
so deep it feels like something's wrong, there's something in

(01:14:05):
your road. Well she breaks the case. That's right. She's
the one that discovers that in the picture. Yeah, you know,
which is how we meet up with the nerds. Yeah,
I didn't. They're more. They were at through graduation there dating. Well,
they're friends. I don't know if there and I think
they're friends, good friends. She probably is dating Ardelia Map,
her roommate. Then she's doing them. But still I love

(01:14:28):
that they're friends. Like she she's going to build a
little life there. And she was the only person who like, yes,
came on to her, but not in a creepy way.
He was cute flirting. It was sweet fling. Are you
flirting with my doctor? My friend Demie. I just should
say this. My friend Damie O'Neill truly is watched this
movie hundreds of times and knows every single word. And

(01:14:52):
one time she and I were in Wisconsin or something,
and I went to see her band and then we
went back to my ruined it came on and she
had to say every line, like especially in the pauses,
and she turned to me and she was I'm so sorry,
and I'm like, I love this. It was hilarious. It's
so good. Yeah, And well he talks um speaking of

(01:15:13):
his voice earlier with the couchine and everything, but the
first time we really get that voice is you know,
it puts solution in the basket, and the way he's
saying it is and the way he's sitting on the
edge of the whatever, it's just the fucking creepiest thing
ever talking about it, Yeah, just referring to her as

(01:15:33):
it was just chilling, and then the screaming at the
end when he's mocking her screaming, Yeah, look at this
woman screaming. It's so chilling. Sy and the is that
the part, oh yeah, because that's the part where the
basket goes back up and she sees the fingernail blood right,

(01:15:55):
which is like it's those things he understood so much.
That horror isn't like a an than the eye. It's
like a bloody fingernails sitting on this thing, which we
had just heard about when they were doing the her nails.
Something is under her nails. This is city, this is city.
That fingernail well, but also like she's I get it,

(01:16:17):
that's chilling to see the fingernails because she knows other
women have been there, but like she knew what was
going to end well anyway, right, I guess that was
the straw escape. There's no escape. That was when she
truly realized that other people have not escaped from the
same well. And she was very sweet to take that
dog at the end too. I know, I loved unless
she went home and like strangles the ultimate, but I

(01:16:39):
do love that that. Uh. I love that she was
down in that well. There was no escape, there's a
bloody fan, and she still made a plan and she
didn't funk around. It was like Katherine Martin was nailed
it in that way. We're just like, I'm still going
to do something if I have to be down here
and it's this bad. And then it kind of worked
like that was a big you know, it's so good.

(01:17:01):
Every nobody scrapped asshole. So they wind up in the
third act lectures in that that amazing set that they built,
that temporary cage, which makes no sense, makes no start question,
with so many, so many weapons, possible weapons. Yeah, it's

(01:17:21):
like I saw that. Have you ever been to the
Museum of Moving Image in Queens New York. It's great. Well,
they I went to see a Madman exhibit a few
years ago there, but they had a they had all
the original artistic drawings of that set um for the
set designer, and they had the shot there, the drawing,
the like the penciling of him like you know, like

(01:17:44):
like with angel wings way up, which also makes no
sense whatsoever that he could have gotten him up there.
But you just don't even question that kind of ship
because it looks amazing. And I do think it was
from the book from what I remember. I could be wrong,
but I feel like that whole thing of we had
to we were moving him from here to there, we
have to stop here. We have to do a makeshift,

(01:18:06):
you know, swap team style cage or whatever. Um, I'm
pretty sure which they fared from the local zoo presumably
you know, the human cage we could rent it from from.
Let's give him some privacy when he's on the toilet. Yeah,
it's it's only deep humanity. That whole sequence is great, though,
the only thing that kind of took me out of

(01:18:26):
the movie is when Chris Isaac weirdly shows up. Oh ship,
Oh my god, that's Chris Isaac. Yes, it's Chris Isaac.
Inexplicably it's Chris. It's Chris Isaac, who's like, I'm a
huge musician star at the time, but I feel like
I want to dip my talent into acting. Oh here
I get three lines in this movie I don't even wrong,

(01:18:49):
which could make sense for Chris Isaac. Yeah, he must
spend with Jonathan Demis because Demi puts a lot of
his little pals like in his movie. He also looks
a lot like what's our villain? Who's the leader of
the psychiatric hospital? Oh? Dr Chiltern? Yeah, I think they
look too similar to be together, and like personally I
was I saw his face and it's really similar. Oh

(01:19:10):
that's true, similar to who Dr Dr Chilton? Oh yeah,
there's like fleshy angles and stuff fling. Sorry, Crecise, I
love you. Actually, my friend Brent, I'm friend, is very generous,
a guy that used to drink at the same bar.
We used to drink out friend who was a really
close friend of mine. He was like there was stand
up comics, there was Groundlings people, and there was actors,

(01:19:32):
gang people who would all go to this bar Felini's
in the nineties it's very fun. Brent is one of
those um Swat team guys. He's the kind of like
he's almost like it's going back down, Like he's the elevator,
younger looking guy that looks a little bit like you
shouldn't be involved in Yes, the one who walks her up.
He takes her up initially holy ship. And so that

(01:19:53):
took me out of it because I was so excited
by the time we got to that point in the movie.
I was like, this is the best movie ever made.
And then Brent show friends you get sign Yeah, yeah,
that is weird. Uh So I didn't notice until and
I've seen this movie so many times, but Lecture kills

(01:20:15):
fucking seven people in the first hour that he gets
out of that thing kills two cops, four and the
ambulance because they say they found the ambulance and and
so whoever's recapping and they said end of Tourists, they
just throw that in on the phone. Seven people in

(01:20:35):
an hour. As soon as he's out with that brilliant
plan with the with the pin clip or whatever, she's
just so creepy slipping that thing in his mouth. Yeah. God,
it just has that shot at the pen and you
see him looking at This is not gonna end well
for anyone. Uh. And then the end that that cross
cutting sequence at the end of the movie, um is

(01:20:56):
so brilliantly played out. I don't know why this didn't
win Best Editing because it was just such a clever
bit of misdirection. You don't see I don't know what's
going on which part because you they're the swat team
is going yeah, and she's like dang dong, gorgeous and
fresh off Proderica Bemmel's house. Right, she was like basically

(01:21:17):
met the friend, creepy as polaroids, and she thinks that
they're a couple states over catching the guys. Seems where
he's still out here, right, He's not out here anymore.
They're take care of it. Yeah, But she, because she's
clearly starling, starts to sniff it out and he well,
of course the classic line she did great person fourteen

(01:21:40):
roomy yeah. Uh. And then the other creepy part of
that scene has went. The way he drops those business cards,
just lets them fall away in his hands, and then
he like he giggles and but he goes sideways like
hip first the door specific move not right like what
I mean, you just did it looks like you made

(01:22:02):
yourself look like a snake being on the planet. And
then we passed up. Well, first we pass over the
sewing stuff and there's a sucking death head moth creeping
on over them, and that's her moment of because this
guy is not right. Clearly there's something wrong. Yeah, But
when comes full circle, she's being she's already being just normal,

(01:22:23):
asking questions. Then she said, use your phone please. She
just perfectly does it the way you would do it
if you were face to face with a fucking serious
trying to keep a lid on it your phone, and
you get the feeling because she's so good. She's probably
right as she walks in, like, this feels like a
kill house. Yeah, but they're getting him in another state,

(01:22:45):
but this feels like a kill house. That design is
fucking amid Like I feel like in another life I'm
supposed to be a set designer because I'm always like
the pan of eggs that's like on the stove and
it just says weird little touches of clearly this is
someone else's how Yeah, that hasn't been lived in or
walked in, or clean or cleaning, and it's like, yeah,

(01:23:06):
it's it's quiet and still compared to what's going on downstairs,
it's just so great. And he's just he's almost unpeeling
his own wrapper because she's just asking regular questions. But
then he's like, oh, wait, we're sorry. Where she he's
doing things where she's like wait, why did you Yeah,
and he keeps you know, like asking this the way

(01:23:29):
to catch that? Yeah, I think, yeah. Well, and because
of the misdirection and they're breaking into the wrong house,
like you know, as a viewer, she's all alone, and
that's just such a like a vulnerable feeling as a
as an audience member to know that this rookie student
is in front of like the worst serial killer ever
and she's got no backup, like nobody's coming, nobody's coming. Also,

(01:23:53):
I think that the going into Frederica Demo's room scene
is one of my favorite scenes of ANUE move Be
because she is just trying to collect information. She doesn't know,
she doesn't have a plan, and she kind of goes
up and is looking around and it's this thing of
like it's it's that thing of like why women should
be cops. It's like when you go into another woman's

(01:24:14):
room where you know where her fucking underpants, polaroids are hid,
anyone you know where you hit your ship, you know
what's often what stage because you would never leave your
ship exactly, and the like all of those things that
they they she I think she even follows the cat up.
It's like she's the cat me out is from her room.
The cats like coming too, this fucking so they like

(01:24:37):
there are things in there that they did that It's
like it's not all just horror, it's not all just action.
It's like there's just this. There's that kind of how
how it is. I think when people work on things
and it's like you don't really know why you turn
to left and went into that room, the cat me
out or whatever, but suddenly you're here and and oh,
she has the same jewelry box I had. Why has

(01:24:58):
this edge pull? And like that moment where she pulls
the top out of that jewelry box was like as
a girl is like thrilling. It's like, yes, this is
exactly how it would be. This is the realness of it,
and it's very like a twin peaks the moment I
think too or I don't know which came first probably
twin Peaks, right, I don't know. Um, they are actually

(01:25:21):
kind of a right around the same time because it
was like early college for me. Yeah, like the secrets
that women keep, the secret that girls keep, that's right. Yeah,
dude would not have he would have walked in that
room and like nothing to see here, right, just like
cleared a shelf of his arm and then walked up
and also parted and then left looking around making sure

(01:25:41):
the dad's still outside, pushing back to the dresses in
the closet, and the diamond pattern was like chilling, Yeah, amazing. Uh.
And then we get the great night vision scene where
you know that the creepy shu ever is when he's
reaching out to her and just kind of like sucking
with her and she can feel him like you can

(01:26:04):
sense after she's told Katherine like it's all good, yeah,
and yelling it loud enough other way like that's so real,
Like I'm so glad you're here. It's like real, Yeah,
I don't want to sit tight. Yeah. Yeah, while this
you know, twenty one year old who have never made
with a little gun, and you don't know how crazy

(01:26:26):
she's like he's a psycho don't all go after him. Also,
the way she was trying to do like form perfect,
dipping her head into the well to talk to her,
shutting all those doors, like yeah, she's she's her training
is like kicking at this point. But it's the creepiest
training room she's ever been, Like, it's beyond horrifying. Yeah.

(01:26:48):
And then every room she goes into, because every room
she goes into his answers and it's got to be
so exciting to be like, and this is where he's
been keeping them, this is you know what he's doing
with them, this is how he got to this. You know,
it's like every room it's it's like a escape room.
It's sot and so filled with fucking molds. And don't

(01:27:11):
die because no, you have the answers. Yeah, if you
just don't die, you can actually get this guy right
or I'm going to be in that fucking well with Catherine. Yeah. Um,
And I think now that we talked about the cat part,
now I have that same word. It's like that is
a little bit of the laced through intuition magic thing
that got laid in a little bit where it's in

(01:27:33):
the instinct so that when she hears his the gun
cock she has that, you know what I mean, She's
she trusts herself because she's already been right, she's already
proven it right where it's like, however you get to
the answer, you got to the answer, so trust yourself
that you're right. And she blows his ass away, destroys
his whole situation the way he dies. What a beautiful

(01:27:56):
to ask. Yeah, and he doesn't, you know, it's not
the trope thing where he comes back to life, which
was great. That would have been away, which is so cool. Yeah,
that training kicking in. Yeah, now she's like, oh, I
get why you do this. I can't wait to shut
all the doors. I get it. And we didn't even
talk about the senator scene, which is one of the

(01:28:17):
great scenes that talk about art directions building That fucking
furniture dolly that he was gets so iconic. Have you
seen there's a thing where they test out all the
masks there there's lots of choices of what what kind
of hockey mask? Like what kind of masks they were
fine to use? And it's just funny. It's like Anthony

(01:28:37):
Hopkins with the What I do believe about that scene
is that he is in this humiliating powerless position and
the scene ends with him having all the power despite that,
and it's just such a testament to him and his
acting in the script and it's really cool and like
his as doctor Lector, it's all about his words, the
way he uses words. But like he destroy her. Yeah,

(01:29:02):
and trax Island you will be free to well. Uh
and then the great Danie Mall at the end with
um with him. You know you're rooting for Hannibal to
fucking eat Chilton. It's some bit of magic that Demi
pulls where you're like, yeah, go kill and eat that guy.

(01:29:24):
You know why we couldn't figure out why he was there,
like get there. I think he was just vacation, getting
away a weird trip, Okay, he and maybe he I
think he said something to the guy when he gets
off the plane that maybe said like he was there
for a conference or something like that, but like a
psycho psychiatrist conference, yeah, or which was in Brazil, I guess,

(01:29:47):
or something in Cuba. You didn't know where that was
it may say, I'm not even sure. Ends up calling
this random phone at graduation Yeah, sure, yeah, that p
that's brick by the graduation every year. But that's a
great moment though when he says, you know, the world's
more interesting with you in it. And that's the nature

(01:30:09):
of their relationship, Like he doesn't want to kill her
full father daughtery. Well, it's like he's he makes choices
about who he kills, so there's almost you almost respect.
He's just not some berserking animal. He's like gentlemen. And
he won't take he won't take credit for killing hester Momfett, right,
like he doesn't want these number about me. Yeah, it's

(01:30:35):
a really it's not about that. My favorite of all
the when I was looking through the gifts, um, and
there's some great ones. There's one that somebody made where
when it's the reveal of when that that wall ends
and you can see his cell, they put all these
like hot topics posters behind him, so like right behind
him there's a Hello Kiddie poster, so hilarious, Like every

(01:30:57):
inch of his walls or government placed that was not
post are the best. Sometimes that's great, um. And that's
the end of the movie. Uh, you know that he's
gonna and she says, you know, you know, I can't
promise you that, Like he knows that She's gonna come
after him. She knows that. But that's like part of that,
Like the beautiful dance that to me creates from the beginning,

(01:31:19):
just so great. All right, we finished with a couple
of quick things. What Ebert said this movie is a
complete disappointment. I would like to go back and see
what Roger Ebert thought. Four stars of course for this year.
The secret of Silence is that it doesn't start with
a cannibal. It arrives at him through the eyes and

(01:31:40):
minds of a young woman. The popularity of Jonathan Demi's
movie is likely to last as long as there is
a market for being scared Amen. But Silence of the
Lambs is not merely a thrill show. It is also
about two of the most memorable characters in movie history,
Clarice Starling and Hannibal Lecture and their strange, strained relationship. Yeah,

(01:32:00):
and then five questions. First movie you remember seeing in
the theater Back to the Future Pete's Dragon, that was like,
it's probably five, right, really young Disney, I think I was.
I think it was I was five. Went Back to
the Future came out and it was just like, well, fuck,

(01:32:22):
my life is this is it? Yeah, that's crazy. That's
a good first one. First are raided movie. I think
you already said, yeah, um, oh god, I don't know
what year came out. I want to. We just watched
so much ship um that I can remember. What's the
one with the killer toy. Child's Play? Oh yeah, that's

(01:32:48):
a terrible movie to see as a child was my favorite.
This is literally no supervision. I just want to Little
Darlings and Child's Play. Will you walk out of a
bad movie? Hell? Yes. I stormed out of Van Helsing
because also I saw at the Vista, and you know,

(01:33:08):
sometimes the Vista, when they get it right, it's perfect.
But in this, because there was so much glingling sword
fucking playing, it was like it was it was like
my ear drums were like, please get us out of here.
And I had told I was with my boyfriend at
the time and my other friend and I kept going,

(01:33:29):
it's too loud, I can't and I kept saying they
were like, and I just fucking got up and left
and drove home. I was like, get home on your own.
I'm so livid. It was a boring movie. Anyway, it
was like it was physically painful to watch. Yeah, I
never saw that, but my friend Scottie, who's a DP
said he had a forward review Van Helsing Van Horrible,

(01:33:51):
which we still laugh at today. For some reason, you
walk out, I will, But I also it's really hard
to get me to go see a movie in the theater.
I really don't enjoy it, partly because of the sound.
I have, like a really sensitive hearing. I think the
only movie I've seen with you is the Mad Max
movie recently. Yeah, just want the only movie. Yeah, I

(01:34:12):
had stand in my seat with ship in my ears,
but I was enjoying it, So I say you should
get you know, they make ear plugs for bands that
oh they fit you specifically right, well, they fit you,
but they also allow in the right sounds, so it's
not just like sticking your fingers in your ears. They're okay,
they work alright, highly sensitive. We'll get you something not

(01:34:36):
about murder that I'm fine with that. Uh alright. Number
four I tailored to the guests. So right here I
have who plays Karen and Georgia and the my favorite
murder bio. I think it's a Gilmer girls. Right, it's
about to go. Well, Jodie Foster could come back. F oh,

(01:35:00):
my god, that she just switches wigs and it's straight
into camera. Also here stand here and she moves her body.
It's not even I guess if they can do that
with the fucking Winkle Boss Twins, double up Army Hammer
and they can double u Jodie Foster's. And then finally
a movie going one on one? What's your what's your

(01:35:22):
jam at the movies? Where do you sit? What do
you get? Mine? Is I love the arc Light' I
hope it's not really scientologist based, because that a theory.
Now that's a theory that it's basically a company that
funded by or scientology makes money. But I don't care
because normal movie theaters is just the worst people. It's

(01:35:45):
like people go to check their phones these days. It's
like everyone's got so ill mannered the movie theater. So
I love the arc Light because they take it seriously.
They take it's cushy. Everybody's there to actually do the
thing that you're supposed to be doing. People don't like
talk or funk around. Um always on the aisle usually
if you're facing if I'm the screen looking up right

(01:36:07):
hand side, like halfway up, um, but all the way
up to the edge. Huh yeah, because you need to peepee,
or because I don't want to get out of there.
The ideas when you stand and have to walk down
that row at the end and you kind of bounce
against everything. I just always like, what is something happened?
Just kick over, just like I just want to get out. Well,

(01:36:30):
it is funny as like as I get older. Uh,
group of Swinton saw Beck in Atlanta recently at this
place called the Tabernacle, which has this old church that
has three really steep balconies were on the very last row,
and young Chuck would have just been like, yeah, whatever,
like these seats are shitty. Old Chuck was like, we're
gonna die if anything happens in here. Yeah, if there's

(01:36:53):
a fire, if there's if things start happening. For many reasons,
I can't go to the movies. I'm like, we're dead.
Well what happened right now? Yeah? So many bad things? Yeah, Um,
what do you eat? Oh? I like, well, if I'm
really going to go for it, I'll get popcorn and
then put Eminem's into it. I was going to that
with the usually plain okay, yeah Jenior mints and that
the popcorn is a nice mix to mixed gen mints

(01:37:14):
in I'll put them in my hand together because it'll
melt to otherwise, right, poor good together. Yeah that's what
Lauren Cook does. Oh oh my god, that's what. And
a can of wine that I bring my person. Yeah,
they have and movies. I don't have to smoke pots,
so I can't like get high. I mean, that's the
other reason to go to the Arc Light, as you

(01:37:35):
just drive up to the roof and get your get
done whatever you choose to get done in your smoke.
Is there a secret bar, wasn't it. I don't love
her anymore, so I don't know what's going on. They
built like like right before I left. Oh yeah, but
they have they have places in Atlanta that have just

(01:37:56):
regular theaters where you can buy beer and wine. Screenings
at the arc Light where you can do that yeah screens,
yeah yeah. Yeah. They think for old people. For certain
it's like for certain shows they're like if this one
they'll be drinking. Yeah yeah, but I have to piece
so much when I drink, so I just couldn't do
it because I don't want to miss much. Barry Diver
and that's the perfect way to end this one. Thank you. Ladies,

(01:38:20):
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