June 20, 2023 • 40 mins
With another Father's Day in the books, Ben, Noel and Max hit the new studio for the first time, exploring the history of this paternal partner to the slightly-more famous Mother's Day. Featuring a cameo from the one and only Matt.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ridiculous History is the production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to
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the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much
for tuning in. Let's hear it for our super producer,
Max Live Williams. I was gonna say, Max Liar Williams,
he's not to be trusted. He gave us this big
countdown to our first session in the new studio, and
turns out he'd been recording the whole.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Time, the whole damn time.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
God forbid of those outtakes that are making into the world.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Oh yeah, it's gonna be over for us. It's true, though,
I'm Ben your nol. We are here in person at
the new studios. This is for any long time listener.
This is the first time you and I have recorded
in a actual podcast studio instead of something we bootlegged.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Totally not to mention the first time Ridiculous History has
recorded in person in over a year. I'd say we dabbled,
you know, post pandemic in our previous offices, but frankly,
we just kind of gotten so used to the workflow
being able to podcast in our underwear. It was a
hard sell to leave the house. But now we're here
pants and all here.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
How do you know I have pants? I'm a different
don't need to know.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
It's true. We can't see below the bells on Max.
He's in a whole glass you know, booth situation. It's
very I don't even.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Know we're another camera. He refuses to turn it on,
but there's a camera that lets us see what Max
is doing.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Pants cam.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, well, actually it's only the upper half, so you
still want to know.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
All right, well as you are, as you are probably
aware by the nature of the title. Here, folks, in
typical ridiculous history fashion, we are are celebrating a holiday
after it happens.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Only a couple of days.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Though. We're getting closer.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
And to get all time you want me about it,
recording it well before the holiday. The holiday falls this
coming Sunday. We're recording this on a Thursday, and you'll
be hearing it on a Tuesday. Wrap your brain around
that this.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Is the world in which we live, and this is
a holiday that is I think it's the pepsi to
the coca cola that is Mother's Day. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
It was a well meaning idea that wasn't immediately adopted
until people figured out how they could make a buck
off of it, that's right, and then followed by backlash
against those well meaning aforementioned well meaning folks.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
It's father's yes, bless their hearts. Indeed, Noel as as
a father. I think you were telling me off air
that you forgot about the holiday until until your family
reminded you.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Well, isn't that as it should be?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Well?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
What am I going to be counting down the day
as to Father's Day? Where's my whatever you get on
Father's Day in my card? I'm not petty that I'm
petty in other ways, tie would be good. I'm not
a tie guy. Though, maybe a money clip.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, maybe you could get into cravats.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
There you go. Isn't that the same thing as It's.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Just like it's a fancier but somehow lazier.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
What's the short time ascot the Fred wears on Scooby
Doo oh Ascott?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, you could get it, asked Scott. That's definitely a choice.
I gotta say, though, Father's Day. It's funny because, like
a lot of people, I don't think we really explore
the history. Most times you just remember, oh that day's
coming up, and you remember it like right before at
least I.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Usually because Google changes their looks.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I was informed that I will be taken to a
brunch on Sunday, the Father's Day, And I honestly, they
said it like as though I was supposed to know
when that was going to be. And I had no
idea because I needed to put it in my calendar
to some degree. And I just think they gave you
the date, and there it is, and I'll show up.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Oh good, your presence is the present. Yeah. So okay,
as we as we learned with Mother's Day, you described
that heartbreaking kind of commonality they have. Father's Day is
kind of recent too, I guess, in the grand scheme
of things, I thought for a long time I thought
it was like an early eighteen hundreds day.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I don't think I had much of a concept for it.
I just always lumped it in with kind of the
greeting card holidays of the world, you know. Woodrow Wilson,
as we mentioned in the Mother's Day episode, described Mother's
Day or as a way to recognize that tender, gentle army,
the mothers of America. And it turns out part of
the backlash around make a Father's Day a thing was
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that it was like two, like it was it was
for girls.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I will not be recognized by my family.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I will be recognized by my labors and the slit
of my brow.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You shall have one firm handshake upon your eighteenth.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Birthday, and then we will never speak again exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
And yeah, it's weird. People said, well, this feels kind
of effeminate because we have this association with Mother's Day.
It came first, did come first? Did come first? And
Father's Day then became an interesting concept that not everybody
was on board with. We know that people were trying
to make Father's Day a thing in the early nineteen hundreds,
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I think in West Virginia in nineteen oh eight.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah, they were really trying to make fetch happen Father's Day. Fairmont,
West Virginia, July fifth, nineteen oh eight. Grace Golden Clayton
love fabulous old timy name, suggested to a local Methodist
minister that services be held to commemorate and celebrate the
fathers who lost their lives in a deadly mind explosion.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Hundreds of dude, three hundred and sixty one dude. So
this is this is a very well intentioned thing, as
you said, but it's coming out of a tragedy.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Could have made it just a memorial for the thing
you not necessarily have to lump in all fathers here.
But again, good intentions, good inten but a little a
little weird. Just it feels like maybe that wasn't going
to stick.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
And it sounds like different local communities had their own
kind of Father's Day esque things for a while, just
like in the case of Mother's Day, there was this
unofficial push to make it a national holiday that occurred
on the same day for everyone across the nation. And
a guy that we are going to cover in an
upcoming episode, William Jennings Bryant, w Yeah. Yeah, he was
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a huge Father's Day fan. He was saying, you know,
if you think that's effeminate for kids to love their parents,
then you got work to do.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
That's more of a you things.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
That's not a NUS thing.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Also touched the silver Also, I have to backtrack, guys,
because we mentioned Woodrow Wilson and I didn't say anything,
all right, Woodrow Wilson, go fuck yourself.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, not a great guy, boyhood home. I've already mentioned
all that stuff. Here's another president though, with a cool
nickname that I was not aware of. We've we've got Woodrow,
go fuck yourself, Wilson, and then we've got Calvin Silent
cal Coolidge. Did you ever heard that all before? I
haven't heard me.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I haven't heard silent Cal which is but I do
know why he has the nickname. He's a famously uh yeah, taciturn,
famously terse guy. One time and Max you know this
story too. Uh, he was at Coolidge was at a
party Silent Cal and someone said, I bet I could
get three words out of you, and he looked at
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them and he kind of like, I guess what you
call it in the drag community. He read them and
then he went, you lose.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
So there's another story about him, and it's basically so
he became president when Harding died in office Harding's VP.
It was like the last year of Harding's first term,
and he just kind of got re elected because he
was already on there. I yeah, this guy seems fine enough,
but he didn't really have interest in actually being the president.
So I think this story is pretty hypocryphal. But supposedly
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he like handed one of his aids and letter and
got in a boat and rowed out into the middle
of a lake, and the letters said I am not
running for reelection. He just rode away and left.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Halijah Calvin wrote, rode the boat ashore. I was thinking
though the three words. Think. He also could have said
go fuck yourself. That would would be But then he
would have lost because he would have said three words,
but it would have been mean. Yeah, it would have
been an own but also like a self owned kind of.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
He was like the yin to Churchill's Yang of snarkiness,
who you know, come along later. But silent cal so,
I don't want to derailist. That is a really cool nickname.
He was a fan of Father's Day, right, Yeah, And
that's what it takes to get these things to pick
up steam.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
You gotta have some high powered supporters. And even though
Silent Cow didn't say a whole lot, maybe you didn't
really want to be president, he did seem to take
the whole Father's Day as a national holiday concept and
run with it, but not enough that it actually happens.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, it's weird because we know Wilson was on board,
Coolidge was on board. But if you look at the
origin story of Father's Day, you see that there are
two stories of when the first legit Father's Day was celebrated.
In some versions of the story, you'll hear about celebration
of Washington State in June nineteenth, nineteen ten, resident of
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Spokane with another great name, Sonora Smart Nod.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I'm gonna be that, actually, guy Ben, If I were
a Washingtonian, I would chastise you and say it's actually Spokane, Spokane.
They will come at you for that. Yeah. I only
found out because I did a podcast that was based
in and around I remember that Spokane.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I'm glad you said someone. I'm going to be in
Spokane later this year.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Well, now you can talk like a local.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Thank you to the good Thank you, Nolan, thank you
to the good people of Spokane. Indeed, so Sonora Smart
Dodd though, that's a good name, fabulous right she Okay,
she was listening to a Mother's Day sermon at a church.
It's nineteen oh nine, and she says, hang on a tick.
Mothers are getting all this praise, and I'm not against mothers,
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but I think fathers should get their own day as well.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, you know, equal time. It's like running for office
right now. Sonora's father was a real man's man, William Smart.
Mister Smart a Civil War veteran, a widower. His wife
had passed during childbirth of their sixth child, as was
much more common in those days. He raised six children
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by himself on their farm, on their homestead in Washington State.
And you know, I think where you're seeing where we're
going with this here, he's a great example of like, look,
fathers can be mothers too.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Which might have added to the objections. That's a good point. Yeah,
And she said, you know, my dad's awesome, and I
want to show appreciation for all the hard work he did.
It's incredibly it can be incredibly difficult being a single parent,
especially to six children. So she says, I want to
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pay homage to him, but I also want to say
it's for other dads in general, because I don't think
I can make me liking my dad specifically. A national
holidays totally.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
They definitely could have made the mind explosion that killed
four hundred, you know men, at least a regional day
of mourning, right, But a holiday is celebrating one dude,
you know, who experienced personal tragedy. Not really how these
things work.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, it's tough, you know, she initially said Okay, we're
going to do it on June fifth, that's the anniversary
of my father's death, and we'll celebrate Father's Day throughout
all the land. Uh. But eventually, I think due to
some some crossed wires and planning or scheduling, you know,
local government is too.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I am right, Uh, this.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Celebration got moved to the third Sunday in June. So
it's one of those confusing ones. I don't understand them.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
One reason I'll never be able to tell you what day,
you know, any of those types of holidays are on,
because first of all, I'll never remember which Sunday in
June we're talking about, right, and second is the third.
It's like I just don't remember things with numbers in
them typically anyway, like.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
And thinks like Thanksgiving is probably one of the big
examples of that in Easter two. But Thanksgiving I'm always like, well,
I just I guess I need to make sure I'm
not doing anything for four Thursdays.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Because it's one of those on a Thursday. I definitely
if you look at my Google history, plenty of what
day is Thanksgiving this year? You know, try to get
that lockdown in advance. But yeah, It's true there was
some cross wires, you know, local government being what it is,
third Sunday in June. As is often the case with
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regional celebrations, the clergy back debts, and that's also a
part of what led it to kind of take off.
And the very first official Father's Day was celebrated on June,
the nineteenth year of Our Lord, nineteen hundred and ten.
That was the month of the birthday of Dodd's father.
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Close enough, close enough birth month. And like we said,
silent cal is a fan of Father's Day in general.
He supports this date. He supports this observance. And fast
forward nineteen sixty six President London big Jumbumbo, Yeah, big
Jumbo Johnson is jumbo or Dumbo.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Jumbo jumbo is definitely we did think about it. Yeah,
he said, Okay, I'm issuing a presidential proclamation recognizing this
as Father's Day. It becomes a national holiday. In nineteen
seventy two, when President Richard Nixon Tricky Dick, we do
great impressions of him, he signed legislation saying the third
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Sunday of June is gonna be Father's Day. That's according
to the one story, Go Dick he's tricky. He did
that one thing that was kid. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
We're not really taking a stance on Father's Day here,
by the way, that is not for us to decide. No, No,
that's that's that's for the father's I would just say
in general, holidays of this ILK are odd. They're often
I mean, the formative the creator of Mother's Day was right.
They become commodifications, they become cash grabs, you know. But
but the heart of it, again, it's a cool idea.
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It's it's nice and as cool as Sonora's smart DoD
wasn't is she wasn't the first person to have this idea, right,
or wasn't the only person. No, again, it's I'm not
trying to again not trying to be a jerk here poopoo,
anybody's idea, But this isn't exactly the most creative, you know,
unique singular idea to ever be thunk. It's just like, hey,
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what if we had a day that celebrated fathers Yeah,
you call it Father's Day?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
You a slot in anything, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, So it's really all it's about, like who had
the gumption to really get it? Together and push for it.
That's really more what the story is rather than who
came up with the idea, because it's just as a father,
not particularly creative. So yes, to your point, of course,
there's there are several origin stories to Father's Day. We
talked about the Fairmont Father's Day celebration. We have three
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years after the Fairmont event, a Chicago activist SJW by
the name of Jane Adams two d's requested of the
local legislature a city wide celebration or the very least
strict nition of Father's Day, but she was denied.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Dang, Chicago shut her down. Let's see, that's early nineteen hundred,
so she probably couldn't pay off the bribes and oh.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yeah, that's like, well, yeah, I mean it's not is
it Tammany Hall era. No, that's a little earlier. It's
Chicago has been a hive of scum and villainy politically
for a long time. So maybe that she just didn't
grease the right palms or pay the big Yeah, that's
a I don't think that's a hot take of fortunately, either.
We do know other people tried to create their own
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versions of Father's Day. We'll get to I'll tell you
we'll get to my personal favorite in a little bit.
But we also need to shout out Vancouver, Washington resident
JJ Behringer, who read something in a local newspaper and said,
all right, we're going to hold a Father's Day celebration
at my church, Irving Methodists, and we'll call it the
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first Father's Day event. Not because he was a jerk,
it's because he did not know other people that had
this idea before. You got to wonder too, the religious
angle here with like some of these Methodist ministers sort
of spearheading this. You know, there's of course the Holy Trinity,
father Son, the Holy ghosts. It is a very patriarchal
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kind of canon. Let's say. You gotta wonder if that
was part of why they were like pushing for this. Yeah,
Father's Day, it's got a nice ring to it.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
When did it become the Holy Spirit instead of the
Holy Ghost?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Good question. I'm sure we could could ask doctor Internet
that and it would spit it right back out, or
chat GPT, maybe it would make something up. That's been
my latest interest in the whole chatbot thing is it's
we talked about it on stuff that I want you
to know that the idea of chatbots hallucinating things out
of whole cloth.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I love it. Of making up entire, entirely fraudulent court cases.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Event yeah, exactly, and not not after being asked to
invent something or tell me a story. Like people are
using these of this tool to legitimately cheat at homework
or like you know, writing legal briefs, and it is
biting them in the butt because apparently old Chatty as
you call him sometimes, is improvising.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Let's ask chat GPT to make holidays for us and
report back on it.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
That'd be fun.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
That'd be fun. Let's see what do Okay, here's the
favorite one though. Here's a favorite one, and I think
you love this one too. Because people couldn't communicate as
easily as as our research associate Jeff points out, they
ran into problems figuring out who was first to the
postal Father's Day. Yeah right, So in nineteen fifteen, this guy,
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the ironically named Harry C. Meek says, I am the
inventor of Father's Day. I'm making it up. It should
be on my birthday.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Cool. Yeah, neither neither Meek nor mild in the eyes
of the of the father just the hutspa of it
on my birthday. I mean, surely it wasn't a self
aggrandizing request. He just figured, you know, it's everybody's got
that same birthday, right, like you know.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
It's he pushed the Lions Club to acknowledge that he
started Father's Day.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, he spent and this was not just like a
one day, you know, like wild hair that he got
like he made this like a pursuit. You know, he
pushed this line for quite a few years. And again
that's what it takes. People that insist upon themselves, people
that just won't let things go. Those are the people
that history remembers the most pedantic ones among us.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Usually, yeah, quite often, you know, the people who raised
enough of a fuss. And as you said, there was
this backlash against Father's Day and part of it, this
is a really interesting thing brought up in Almanac dot com.
So when you give a shout out to Areally A. C. Scott,
who wrote this article, she points out, know all that
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the idea of fatherhood fundamentally change. It's not viewed as
like a feminine model with flowers, but it's a day
that celebrates this idea of dadness, and a lot of
my friends to are fathers, yourself included, will say, well,
my kids are very being, very sweet, and I love them,
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but how many socks do they think I need?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I borderline resent being taken to brunch. That's a woman's meal.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I'm just joking.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I am very much joking a brunch, A big fan
of brunch. But no, it's funny, right, because the fact
that that even has to be explained or it's it's
it's inherently absurd, right, It's like, it doesn't have to
be it's not the same and and and it's about
the person. What if your dad likes flowers, right, give
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the man flowers, Give the man. What do you want?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
If your dad wants a spa day, send him to
a spa.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I will be the first one to admit I get
pretty regular pedicures and I love a good massage or
a spa day. No, and it's it's very true. But
this idea of this feminine model, you know, this this
precursor you know in mother's day being problematic for like
or somehow challenging the masculinity of you know, fathers is
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absurd to me. But you know, we got to think
about the time, right.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Sure, yeah, and I guess there were more of what
we're often called traditional gender roles, right there were. There
weren't as many women in the workplace. The modern role
of the father, you could argue, as does Aureliacy Scott,
has changed more of a partnership, which I think is
probably healthier for everybody. Sure, right now we're co parenting,
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you know what I mean. Now it's not just some
guy working nine to five or whatever coming home and saying,
where's dinner? Why does this kid have a seat? This
thing is dirty, I'm getting drunk and going to sleep.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
So I think what we're saying, what this article is saying,
is that it evolved in a positive direction to to
to look at mothers and fathers on more of an
equal playing field. So what I was railing against was
sort of the initial backlash of like, how dare you
celebrate me, you know, in the same way as you
would have were a mere woman.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
And that's that's so valid though, that's part of it
because we know people. Okay, I'm a little torn about this.
So the initial people objecting to Father's Day, we're doing
exactly what we're talking about. They said, this is a
sentimental attempt to emasculate us almost with flowers and with
giving of gifts, which is crazy. Gifts are awesome inherently.
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I love free style.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, it's great, and it's also thoughtful gifts. Uh, that's
that's the key, right. I'm really I'm against kind of
like holidays that require some sort of like pat you know,
the expected gifts like flowers, you know, I mean, you know,
flowers are cool. And if you want to get somebody flowers,
get them something based on like a color you know
they love, or like a chick flower you know that
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makes them happy. Don't just grab the nearest bouquet and
shove it in their face. I would typically. I mean,
I just think gift giving is such an opportunity to
show somebody that you think about them and that you're
aware of aspects of their personality.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, and also I don't think you should have to
tie it to a holiday. No. I think the coolest
gifts are you know, in the for no reason at all,
not because you're in trouble, not because someone decided it
should be an official day for something. Do something nice
for people you love.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I get my kid and my partner and friends' gifts
all the time, you know, just because and honestly, for
holidays and stuff. I'm typically the guy that's stopping at
the grocery store on the way home to grab something
because I'm fulfilling that expectation, and I frankly kind of
resent that.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Then here's the valid, here's the valid part of the
argument for people who had a backlash against Father's Day
that I think we both can agree with. They said,
we know about Mother's Day, it's a grift, and Father's
Days no different. These holidays are proliferating, and they're all
just a gimmick to sell more stuff. And hay, we
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the fathers are also paying for the Father's Days as the.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Sole breadwinners of our families.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, why am I paying for flowers for myself? They said. So.
I get the anti capitalist part about it, the anti commodification,
But yeah, I think maybe people were a little insecure
or a little caught in their preconceptions about masculinity.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
They were in their feelings.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
They were in their feelings a little bit.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, yeah, but not in like a touchy feely kind
of way.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
No, No, in a very emotionally damaged way.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
And I didn't kind of think I caught this in
the Mother's Day episode, but this idea maybe maybe it
came up briefly specifically for Mother's Day, But in the
nineteen twenties and thirties there was actually a movement to
get rid of both of these holidays entirely in favor
of combining them into a into one Parents' Day. How
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that god that take off? I only I've heard of
Parents Day.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
It's around in other countries. Maybe, yeah, you know, parents
are generally a good thing, so you're right, though it
did not encounter near the success of Father's Day, let
alone Mother's Day. It's strange to me that for a
while during that time period, during the twenties and thirties,
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every year the Mother's Day occurred, these groups would protest it.
They would be pro Parents' Day groups, and they would
go to Central Park because they liked having problems.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
I guess seems so. I mean, the idea of there
being a Parents Day activist the sky Robert Spear who
said that both parents should be loved and respected together
like at the same time. I don't know about it,
you know, it's I guess that's sort of like a
killing two birds with one stone situation, you know, one
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holiday to rule them all.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
But it feels like this guy just want to be
mad about something.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
It's a little bit.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Of what about is? I completely agree, and as we know,
that did not take off, you know, because what about
you know, parents who are divorced. Yeah, maybe it's a
good thing that you can honor them separately.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I think maybe if there is a debate or a
question around it, is it is the gendered aspect of it,
you know what I mean? Maybe?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
But how who cares? Here's what happened the Great Depression.
That's one of the reasons Father's Day is still a
big thing because think about it, you're a business, you're
an ad company, and you have to somehow get out
of the red and into the black ink. So they
doubled down to try to make Father's Day what they
thought of as a second Christmas for dudes.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah, because you know, all these cliche ideas of gifts
are supposed to get your dad, those hold true for
any gift giving opportunity in these days. Pipes, you know,
like slippers, tie ties, then nobody really even wants and
that if you're gonna get it, you're gonna get one
for yourself, because these are like things that require you
(27:13):
to have a little bit of awareness of, like your
own personal style. The joke around these gifts is often
people are giving you these things and you will never
wear them.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Right right, Like, thank you for this artruse and green
polka dotted ascot. I'll treasure it forever.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
That sounds really nice, just being frank right here. I
really like if you guys got that for me, I
would appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Oh god, now we have to remember what I described. Okay,
shartruse and green polka dot.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I mean, Ben, It's not like we have a like,
you know, recorded version of you saying it or anything.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Oh that's right, never mind, why are we even bothering
with long term memory? So?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeah, who needs it?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yeah? Who needs it?
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Soon we'll have implants that'll do it all for us.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Or we can just ask chat GPTMH.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Pair it with a nice voice mimicking software and you
know we're relevant at that point. Oh, come on, maybe
not irrelevant. We still have to like talk at the
bot to train it to sound more like us.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Oh boy, yeah, I mean you know you're talking about
aims transforming over time. And that's what I happened over
Father's Day.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
No attention to the man behind the grid.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
What do you think before we get to the end
of Father's Day, I think we'll still be around.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I doing some gallows humor here.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I do think we'll be right.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I mean me personally as a consumer of podcasts, and
it's of culture. Like if I found out that someone
had replaced my you know, Folger's crystals with Taster's choice
and didn't tell me, I'd be pretty pissed.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, and I would also be really suspect I'd be
I'd also be sad if I was listening to a
show that I was a fan of and I learned
that with like the darkest version of that is, a
legendary host passes away and then AI is used to
just keep making episodes of them after day.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
People are kind of losing their their stuff. Over the
headline saying that Paul McCartney is it was a gate
fight through his support by AI technology being used to
create a quote unquote final Beatle song. But if you
read below the headline, you realize they actually just used
AI as a restoration tool to lift out a vocal
(29:21):
that John Lennon made as a demo while playing the
piano and singing on like a pretty low fire recording
set up. So they cleaned it up, separated it from
the piano, and allowed it to be used in a
multi track recording capacity. Is the song going to be
any good? I don't know, irrelevant, but they didn't like
do a Tupac hologram version John Lyon's voice, And I
frankly think most people who are actual fans of art
(29:43):
and culture.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Won't stand for that. You know, I would like to
think that.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I would like to I would like to think that
as well. And you know I mean full disclosure, folks. Yes,
this episode is entirely created and hosted by chat ChiPT YEP.
Where are we gonna go with that? Oh well, segue?
Did a segue? Okay? So things changing Father's Day got tainted?
(30:09):
People would say, you know it, it became a money grab.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I think you set it up perfectly, this idea of
it being a second Christmas, you know, to buy a
lot of these, like frankly, you know, sharper image type objects,
you know, for dads that they probably don't even want,
and it's just obligatory kind of gift giving and that
suits the companies more than it does the dads, frankly,
(30:33):
and then once that becomes really, really clear, it does
start to have a bit of a taint to it,
doesn't the.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah, I mean, just just send your dad a text
and say something that you think is cool about them
and make sure it's sincere. Don't You don't have to
wait for a specific day to do that, you know.
And of course, like all of these holidays, like we
learned with Mother's Day, Father's Day is not just celebrating
(30:59):
the UI, and it's not just celebrated at the same time.
People all around the world celebrate something like Father's Day
at different periods in the year.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Have you heard of this practice of wearing a red
rose if your father's alive and a white one if
he's dead.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I have not. That seems frankly invasive, it does.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
I mean, cool, let's have a conversation about our dead dads,
as that was I supposed to ask me about my
dead dad.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
That's what that would say. Yeah, yeah, I don't think
they thought that one threw.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
All the way. Yeah, I was just not aware of
this as a custom. But what about you know, maybe
non traditional male role models or or you know, frankly
father figures, you know, like you know, my dear, dear
friend Harry, He's actually coming to visit over Father's Day weekend.
It occurred to me like he's the closest thing I
(31:49):
have to a father, and I'm gonna he's going to
the same brunch that I'm going to. And it was
just kind of a happenstance that occurred that way. But
I'm kind of glad that it did, because I do
think of him in that same way.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Are you going to get him a card?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Hell?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
No, Are you going to get him a tie?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
No, he doesn't wear a tie. I'll ge him a hairtie.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
What's the sock situation?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Unclear? But I am going to take him to brunch
and then host him my house and cook him a
barbecue and spend some good time with him because he's
a true friend and someone that I've always looked up
to in that way, you know, without an actual living father.
So that's that's an interesting role too, is like what
about the the uncles, the grandfathers, the families of the world.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
You know, Yeah, they also get honored on that day
sometimes because you know, you as you go through life,
you do run into people who fulfill some of those roles.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
You may not be able to speak with your biological mother,
you may not be on the best terms with her,
but you might have a mother figure in your life.
And the same goes with parents, with siblings, with all
all the loved ones you can imagine. Uh, so they
should be celebrated as well. And I think that's I
think that's kind of cool. I think that's inclusive. I
(33:01):
do think it's interesting that there's a Father's Day thing
tied to Roman Catholicism.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yeah, celebrated in countries like Spain and Portugal, observed on
the feast of Saint Joseph. Is the Saint Joseph the
patron saint of fathers, manly men.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
We cut some off air time where we decided to
look up the Saint Saint Joseph. Why why is that
Father's Day? Saint Joseph the worker is patron saint of
a couple of different things. They always are, right, Let's
see the patron saint of fathers. Nailed it, got it?
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
He is also vibes, you said, the worker. You know,
he is also a work patron saint of workers. Anybody
who's married, anybody who's been exiled.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Wait a minute, what's that?
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Last? Yeah, all right, last one was a was a
shamalan for us, uh, the sick and the dying, and
patrons say of a holy death?
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Wait, what's holy death?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
You know? What?
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Is that a spell? And like elden ring, that really
does sound like is that.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Like dying with honor?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
If you're a cleon, I'm you know, you guys are
onto some great things here. We'll have to learn more
about it. I am not Catholic, I'm not Christian, nor
I don't know what to say about it.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I do know what to say about the Taiwanese celebration
of Father's Day. Much like our pal who wanted it
to be on his birthday, this celebration is in fact
on my actual birthday, August the eighth, fifth day of
the eighth month, which is a fun, you know, little
little thing with my birthday. It's eight eight eighty three,
fun to stay out loud. But yeah, immediately saw this
and thought of that guy that like wanted to have
(34:47):
Father's Day beyond his birthday. I'm like, we are not
the same. It's not my idea, but like the cut
of whom's ever jib in Taiwan decided to hold it
on that day. Well, actually sounds like it was because
the Mandarin Chinese word for eight sounds like the word papa. Well,
do you know, you know, I know, you know a
bit of Mandarin?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, yeah, I know, I know a little bit. It's bob,
Thanks Jat, you're the best. Bah And so the eighth day,
eighth month, bah Ba got it? You said twice it
becomes papa. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And uh, look here we
have to do it, noel, Uh, it's our first time
(35:27):
in uh in the new studio. The man, the myth,
the legend himself, our resident rock star, Matt Frederick wearing
he's wearing his sunglasses. Inside he's got a fresh haircut. Hey,
Matt fresh, Matt, you got something to say to the people?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Can even hear us?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Hi overbody?
Speaker 3 (35:46):
He's so cool, He's so cool. Listen to that. Yeah,
the swagger, the swagger in that voice.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
We have to figure out a way to get Matt back.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Well, obviously he's here. It's easier to accomplish. We can
just you know, invite him in. But yeah, do you
want to come into come in for the second episode,
we're about to do another one. He's like, I got
a battle, he's gonna surf. He's got a skate. I
think he's gonna surf.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
On a phone. Okay, that guy is too cool for school. Really,
And like Taiwan, Thailand has their own Father's Day and
Thailand is tied to the birthday of a former king
whose name I'm going to attempt and mess up. It's cool, Okay,
let's both try it. So boom Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Doesn't boo ball sound like a Mario character, like, you know,
like the giant bomb guy with the crown I forget
his or it.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Feels like the big sport in like a children's sci
fi show We got to play?
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yeah, exactly, dude. I discovered a new sports when I
was in Philly. There were these like weird curved tables
with a it's it's like a ping pong table, but
they're curved and apparently you kick a ball on it
and bounce it. It's like ping pong or pickleball, but you
play it with your feet and apparently it is from
(37:10):
from Spain or that's cool. Yeah, And I've never seen
these tables anywhere. They look kind of like miniature skate rams.
So anybody out there that knows what the hell this
thing is, let let us know.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
And anyone who can help us with pronunciation of names
the tyroyal family, let us know. Because I have to
learn that stuff. I have to go. I don't think
I told you I'm going to I have to. I
have to go to Thailand to go to Titober.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
That sucks.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
That's rough, that's awesome, that's really exciting. Godspeed, and yeah,
just you know, surely there's a chat GPT out there
that I could just uh.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I could have like a little thing around my neck.
It's just chat GPT instead of like a slate with
some chalk, you know, right, But that day entirely, the
December fifth day is always Father's Day, and I like.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
That December fifth. Leave it at Dad.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
It doesn't have to be that third or fourth thing,
you know. That's that's too complicated.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Same with the Taiwanese deal. Eight eight boom remembered it
easy is also my birthday. Eighty eight also is good luck.
Hey cool, no wonder I've been coasting through life. I
think these many years. Four is bad, okay, Well, I
said it's visible by four I.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Know, but it's double Oh, it's double four, so it's good.
You know, we might have to come back to this south,
We might have to workshop.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
We might want to leave this one alone. We don't
want to uncover any Pandora's Box type situ.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, but we do want to wish everybody a happy
belated Father's Day, A happy Father's Day to you know,
a happy Father's Day to your entire family. Max, Max,
your cat dad. I think you've described yourself as.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I am a cat dad. And also sometimes I feel
like I'm all's parent, y'all, Like I'm more of a
parent's day than a father's day to y'all. But I
get that feeling a lot of times, especially when it's like,
you know, trying to find Noel and get him to
the right studio is somebod.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
You're always smacking me in the back of the head
and calling me a giant disappointment.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yes, unless HR is listening to this episode and.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Listed our show.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Also, I'm older than you, bro.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
You both are older than me, but I'm still your father,
all right, sure you know what?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Big thanks to super producer Max Williams, Yeah aka Dad,
big big thanks to uh big thanks to Alex Williams,
who composed the track Big. Thanks to pal Matt who
just uh just has such infectious energy.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
He does, he does. He is a walking plague of
a human in the positive sense, positive play, positivity play.
Thanks to uh Chris frosciotis here in spirit, he's Jeff Coates,
Jonathan Strickland. I bet you we can get him here
in person too. Yeah, you can press to digitate him
from one of these nice you know, and deployment of
that word into one of these mic positions. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Also, I owe him an email, so that'll be a
good time.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Don't sleep on that, man.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
I gotta stop. I gotta wake up. I can't keep
sleeping on responding to those emails, and we can't keep
sleeping on this new studio. No, this has been such
a fun time. I feel like we portrayed ourselves a
little because we're both all three of us. Max To
came in saying, all right, this is gonna be short.
When you know what I mean. We got and we got,
(40:24):
we condensed our research. We're gonna make it a punchy
thing about Father's Day.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
And still punchy. Uh not in the like lack of
sleepway but like in the listen to, these punchy characters
have a good time talking about stuff, and so we
liked that and I'm excited. It sort of feels like
we're opening a new chapter of the show, being here
in person with each other, hand out with you. We'll
see you next time. Books. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio,
(40:54):
visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen
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Ridiculous History is the production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to
(00:27):
the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much
for tuning in. Let's hear it for our super producer,
Max Live Williams. I was gonna say, Max Liar Williams,
he's not to be trusted. He gave us this big
countdown to our first session in the new studio, and
turns out he'd been recording the whole.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Time, the whole damn time.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
God forbid of those outtakes that are making into the world.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Oh yeah, it's gonna be over for us. It's true, though,
I'm Ben your nol. We are here in person at
the new studios. This is for any long time listener.
This is the first time you and I have recorded
in a actual podcast studio instead of something we bootlegged.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Totally not to mention the first time Ridiculous History has
recorded in person in over a year. I'd say we dabbled,
you know, post pandemic in our previous offices, but frankly,
we just kind of gotten so used to the workflow
being able to podcast in our underwear. It was a
hard sell to leave the house. But now we're here
pants and all here.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
How do you know I have pants? I'm a different
don't need to know.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
It's true. We can't see below the bells on Max.
He's in a whole glass you know, booth situation. It's
very I don't even.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Know we're another camera. He refuses to turn it on,
but there's a camera that lets us see what Max
is doing.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Pants cam.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, well, actually it's only the upper half, so you
still want to know.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
All right, well as you are, as you are probably
aware by the nature of the title. Here, folks, in
typical ridiculous history fashion, we are are celebrating a holiday
after it happens.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Only a couple of days.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Though. We're getting closer.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
And to get all time you want me about it,
recording it well before the holiday. The holiday falls this
coming Sunday. We're recording this on a Thursday, and you'll
be hearing it on a Tuesday. Wrap your brain around
that this.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Is the world in which we live, and this is
a holiday that is I think it's the pepsi to
the coca cola that is Mother's Day. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
It was a well meaning idea that wasn't immediately adopted
until people figured out how they could make a buck
off of it, that's right, and then followed by backlash
against those well meaning aforementioned well meaning folks.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
It's father's yes, bless their hearts. Indeed, Noel as as
a father. I think you were telling me off air
that you forgot about the holiday until until your family
reminded you.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Well, isn't that as it should be?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Well?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
What am I going to be counting down the day
as to Father's Day? Where's my whatever you get on
Father's Day in my card? I'm not petty that I'm
petty in other ways, tie would be good. I'm not
a tie guy. Though, maybe a money clip.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, maybe you could get into cravats.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
There you go. Isn't that the same thing as It's.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Just like it's a fancier but somehow lazier.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
What's the short time ascot the Fred wears on Scooby
Doo oh Ascott?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, you could get it, asked Scott. That's definitely a choice.
I gotta say, though, Father's Day. It's funny because, like
a lot of people, I don't think we really explore
the history. Most times you just remember, oh that day's
coming up, and you remember it like right before at
least I.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Usually because Google changes their looks.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I was informed that I will be taken to a
brunch on Sunday, the Father's Day, And I honestly, they
said it like as though I was supposed to know
when that was going to be. And I had no
idea because I needed to put it in my calendar
to some degree. And I just think they gave you
the date, and there it is, and I'll show up.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Oh good, your presence is the present. Yeah. So okay,
as we as we learned with Mother's Day, you described
that heartbreaking kind of commonality they have. Father's Day is
kind of recent too, I guess, in the grand scheme
of things, I thought for a long time I thought
it was like an early eighteen hundreds day.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I don't think I had much of a concept for it.
I just always lumped it in with kind of the
greeting card holidays of the world, you know. Woodrow Wilson,
as we mentioned in the Mother's Day episode, described Mother's
Day or as a way to recognize that tender, gentle army,
the mothers of America. And it turns out part of
the backlash around make a Father's Day a thing was
(04:49):
that it was like two, like it was it was
for girls.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I will not be recognized by my family.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I will be recognized by my labors and the slit
of my brow.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You shall have one firm handshake upon your eighteenth.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Birthday, and then we will never speak again exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
And yeah, it's weird. People said, well, this feels kind
of effeminate because we have this association with Mother's Day.
It came first, did come first? Did come first? And
Father's Day then became an interesting concept that not everybody
was on board with. We know that people were trying
to make Father's Day a thing in the early nineteen hundreds,
(05:33):
I think in West Virginia in nineteen oh eight.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah, they were really trying to make fetch happen Father's Day. Fairmont,
West Virginia, July fifth, nineteen oh eight. Grace Golden Clayton
love fabulous old timy name, suggested to a local Methodist
minister that services be held to commemorate and celebrate the
fathers who lost their lives in a deadly mind explosion.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Hundreds of dude, three hundred and sixty one dude. So
this is this is a very well intentioned thing, as
you said, but it's coming out of a tragedy.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Could have made it just a memorial for the thing
you not necessarily have to lump in all fathers here.
But again, good intentions, good inten but a little a
little weird. Just it feels like maybe that wasn't going
to stick.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
And it sounds like different local communities had their own
kind of Father's Day esque things for a while, just
like in the case of Mother's Day, there was this
unofficial push to make it a national holiday that occurred
on the same day for everyone across the nation. And
a guy that we are going to cover in an
upcoming episode, William Jennings Bryant, w Yeah. Yeah, he was
(06:46):
a huge Father's Day fan. He was saying, you know,
if you think that's effeminate for kids to love their parents,
then you got work to do.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
That's more of a you things.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
That's not a NUS thing.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Also touched the silver Also, I have to backtrack, guys,
because we mentioned Woodrow Wilson and I didn't say anything,
all right, Woodrow Wilson, go fuck yourself.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, not a great guy, boyhood home. I've already mentioned
all that stuff. Here's another president though, with a cool
nickname that I was not aware of. We've we've got Woodrow,
go fuck yourself, Wilson, and then we've got Calvin Silent
cal Coolidge. Did you ever heard that all before? I
haven't heard me.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I haven't heard silent Cal which is but I do
know why he has the nickname. He's a famously uh yeah, taciturn,
famously terse guy. One time and Max you know this
story too. Uh, he was at Coolidge was at a
party Silent Cal and someone said, I bet I could
get three words out of you, and he looked at
(07:47):
them and he kind of like, I guess what you
call it in the drag community. He read them and
then he went, you lose.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
So there's another story about him, and it's basically so
he became president when Harding died in office Harding's VP.
It was like the last year of Harding's first term,
and he just kind of got re elected because he
was already on there. I yeah, this guy seems fine enough,
but he didn't really have interest in actually being the president.
So I think this story is pretty hypocryphal. But supposedly
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he like handed one of his aids and letter and
got in a boat and rowed out into the middle
of a lake, and the letters said I am not
running for reelection. He just rode away and left.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Halijah Calvin wrote, rode the boat ashore. I was thinking
though the three words. Think. He also could have said
go fuck yourself. That would would be But then he
would have lost because he would have said three words,
but it would have been mean. Yeah, it would have
been an own but also like a self owned kind of.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
He was like the yin to Churchill's Yang of snarkiness,
who you know, come along later. But silent cal so,
I don't want to derailist. That is a really cool nickname.
He was a fan of Father's Day, right, Yeah, And
that's what it takes to get these things to pick
up steam.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
You gotta have some high powered supporters. And even though
Silent Cow didn't say a whole lot, maybe you didn't
really want to be president, he did seem to take
the whole Father's Day as a national holiday concept and
run with it, but not enough that it actually happens.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, it's weird because we know Wilson was on board,
Coolidge was on board. But if you look at the
origin story of Father's Day, you see that there are
two stories of when the first legit Father's Day was celebrated.
In some versions of the story, you'll hear about celebration
of Washington State in June nineteenth, nineteen ten, resident of
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Spokane with another great name, Sonora Smart Nod.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I'm gonna be that, actually, guy Ben, If I were
a Washingtonian, I would chastise you and say it's actually Spokane, Spokane.
They will come at you for that. Yeah. I only
found out because I did a podcast that was based
in and around I remember that Spokane.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I'm glad you said someone. I'm going to be in
Spokane later this year.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Well, now you can talk like a local.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Thank you to the good Thank you, Nolan, thank you
to the good people of Spokane. Indeed, so Sonora Smart
Dodd though, that's a good name, fabulous right she Okay,
she was listening to a Mother's Day sermon at a church.
It's nineteen oh nine, and she says, hang on a tick.
Mothers are getting all this praise, and I'm not against mothers,
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but I think fathers should get their own day as well.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, you know, equal time. It's like running for office
right now. Sonora's father was a real man's man, William Smart.
Mister Smart a Civil War veteran, a widower. His wife
had passed during childbirth of their sixth child, as was
much more common in those days. He raised six children
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by himself on their farm, on their homestead in Washington State.
And you know, I think where you're seeing where we're
going with this here, he's a great example of like, look,
fathers can be mothers too.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Which might have added to the objections. That's a good point. Yeah,
And she said, you know, my dad's awesome, and I
want to show appreciation for all the hard work he did.
It's incredibly it can be incredibly difficult being a single parent,
especially to six children. So she says, I want to
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pay homage to him, but I also want to say
it's for other dads in general, because I don't think
I can make me liking my dad specifically. A national
holidays totally.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
They definitely could have made the mind explosion that killed
four hundred, you know men, at least a regional day
of mourning, right, But a holiday is celebrating one dude,
you know, who experienced personal tragedy. Not really how these
things work.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, it's tough, you know, she initially said Okay, we're
going to do it on June fifth, that's the anniversary
of my father's death, and we'll celebrate Father's Day throughout
all the land. Uh. But eventually, I think due to
some some crossed wires and planning or scheduling, you know,
local government is too.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I am right, Uh, this.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Celebration got moved to the third Sunday in June. So
it's one of those confusing ones. I don't understand them.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
One reason I'll never be able to tell you what day,
you know, any of those types of holidays are on,
because first of all, I'll never remember which Sunday in
June we're talking about, right, and second is the third.
It's like I just don't remember things with numbers in
them typically anyway, like.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
And thinks like Thanksgiving is probably one of the big
examples of that in Easter two. But Thanksgiving I'm always like, well,
I just I guess I need to make sure I'm
not doing anything for four Thursdays.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Because it's one of those on a Thursday. I definitely
if you look at my Google history, plenty of what
day is Thanksgiving this year? You know, try to get
that lockdown in advance. But yeah, It's true there was
some cross wires, you know, local government being what it is,
third Sunday in June. As is often the case with
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regional celebrations, the clergy back debts, and that's also a
part of what led it to kind of take off.
And the very first official Father's Day was celebrated on June,
the nineteenth year of Our Lord, nineteen hundred and ten.
That was the month of the birthday of Dodd's father.
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Close enough, close enough birth month. And like we said,
silent cal is a fan of Father's Day in general.
He supports this date. He supports this observance. And fast
forward nineteen sixty six President London big Jumbumbo, Yeah, big
Jumbo Johnson is jumbo or Dumbo.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Jumbo jumbo is definitely we did think about it. Yeah,
he said, Okay, I'm issuing a presidential proclamation recognizing this
as Father's Day. It becomes a national holiday. In nineteen
seventy two, when President Richard Nixon Tricky Dick, we do
great impressions of him, he signed legislation saying the third
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Sunday of June is gonna be Father's Day. That's according
to the one story, Go Dick he's tricky. He did
that one thing that was kid. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
We're not really taking a stance on Father's Day here,
by the way, that is not for us to decide. No, No,
that's that's that's for the father's I would just say
in general, holidays of this ILK are odd. They're often
I mean, the formative the creator of Mother's Day was right.
They become commodifications, they become cash grabs, you know. But
but the heart of it, again, it's a cool idea.
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It's it's nice and as cool as Sonora's smart DoD
wasn't is she wasn't the first person to have this idea, right,
or wasn't the only person. No, again, it's I'm not
trying to again not trying to be a jerk here poopoo,
anybody's idea, But this isn't exactly the most creative, you know,
unique singular idea to ever be thunk. It's just like, hey,
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what if we had a day that celebrated fathers Yeah,
you call it Father's Day?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
You a slot in anything, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, So it's really all it's about, like who had
the gumption to really get it? Together and push for it.
That's really more what the story is rather than who
came up with the idea, because it's just as a father,
not particularly creative. So yes, to your point, of course,
there's there are several origin stories to Father's Day. We
talked about the Fairmont Father's Day celebration. We have three
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years after the Fairmont event, a Chicago activist SJW by
the name of Jane Adams two d's requested of the
local legislature a city wide celebration or the very least
strict nition of Father's Day, but she was denied.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Dang, Chicago shut her down. Let's see, that's early nineteen hundred,
so she probably couldn't pay off the bribes and oh.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yeah, that's like, well, yeah, I mean it's not is
it Tammany Hall era. No, that's a little earlier. It's
Chicago has been a hive of scum and villainy politically
for a long time. So maybe that she just didn't
grease the right palms or pay the big Yeah, that's
a I don't think that's a hot take of fortunately, either.
We do know other people tried to create their own
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versions of Father's Day. We'll get to I'll tell you
we'll get to my personal favorite in a little bit.
But we also need to shout out Vancouver, Washington resident
JJ Behringer, who read something in a local newspaper and said,
all right, we're going to hold a Father's Day celebration
at my church, Irving Methodists, and we'll call it the
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first Father's Day event. Not because he was a jerk,
it's because he did not know other people that had
this idea before. You got to wonder too, the religious
angle here with like some of these Methodist ministers sort
of spearheading this. You know, there's of course the Holy Trinity,
father Son, the Holy ghosts. It is a very patriarchal
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kind of canon. Let's say. You gotta wonder if that
was part of why they were like pushing for this. Yeah,
Father's Day, it's got a nice ring to it.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
When did it become the Holy Spirit instead of the
Holy Ghost?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Good question. I'm sure we could could ask doctor Internet
that and it would spit it right back out, or
chat GPT, maybe it would make something up. That's been
my latest interest in the whole chatbot thing is it's
we talked about it on stuff that I want you
to know that the idea of chatbots hallucinating things out
of whole cloth.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I love it. Of making up entire, entirely fraudulent court cases.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Event yeah, exactly, and not not after being asked to
invent something or tell me a story. Like people are
using these of this tool to legitimately cheat at homework
or like you know, writing legal briefs, and it is
biting them in the butt because apparently old Chatty as
you call him sometimes, is improvising.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Let's ask chat GPT to make holidays for us and
report back on it.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
That'd be fun.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
That'd be fun. Let's see what do Okay, here's the
favorite one though. Here's a favorite one, and I think
you love this one too. Because people couldn't communicate as
easily as as our research associate Jeff points out, they
ran into problems figuring out who was first to the
postal Father's Day. Yeah right, So in nineteen fifteen, this guy,
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the ironically named Harry C. Meek says, I am the
inventor of Father's Day. I'm making it up. It should
be on my birthday.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Cool. Yeah, neither neither Meek nor mild in the eyes
of the of the father just the hutspa of it
on my birthday. I mean, surely it wasn't a self
aggrandizing request. He just figured, you know, it's everybody's got
that same birthday, right, like you know.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
It's he pushed the Lions Club to acknowledge that he
started Father's Day.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, he spent and this was not just like a
one day, you know, like wild hair that he got
like he made this like a pursuit. You know, he
pushed this line for quite a few years. And again
that's what it takes. People that insist upon themselves, people
that just won't let things go. Those are the people
that history remembers the most pedantic ones among us.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Usually, yeah, quite often, you know, the people who raised
enough of a fuss. And as you said, there was
this backlash against Father's Day and part of it, this
is a really interesting thing brought up in Almanac dot com.
So when you give a shout out to Areally A. C. Scott,
who wrote this article, she points out, know all that
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the idea of fatherhood fundamentally change. It's not viewed as
like a feminine model with flowers, but it's a day
that celebrates this idea of dadness, and a lot of
my friends to are fathers, yourself included, will say, well,
my kids are very being, very sweet, and I love them,
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but how many socks do they think I need?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I borderline resent being taken to brunch. That's a woman's meal.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I'm just joking.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I am very much joking a brunch, A big fan
of brunch. But no, it's funny, right, because the fact
that that even has to be explained or it's it's
it's inherently absurd, right, It's like, it doesn't have to
be it's not the same and and and it's about
the person. What if your dad likes flowers, right, give
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the man flowers, Give the man. What do you want?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
If your dad wants a spa day, send him to
a spa.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I will be the first one to admit I get
pretty regular pedicures and I love a good massage or
a spa day. No, and it's it's very true. But
this idea of this feminine model, you know, this this
precursor you know in mother's day being problematic for like
or somehow challenging the masculinity of you know, fathers is
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absurd to me. But you know, we got to think
about the time, right.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Sure, yeah, and I guess there were more of what
we're often called traditional gender roles, right there were. There
weren't as many women in the workplace. The modern role
of the father, you could argue, as does Aureliacy Scott,
has changed more of a partnership, which I think is
probably healthier for everybody. Sure, right now we're co parenting,
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you know what I mean. Now it's not just some
guy working nine to five or whatever coming home and saying,
where's dinner? Why does this kid have a seat? This
thing is dirty, I'm getting drunk and going to sleep.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
So I think what we're saying, what this article is saying,
is that it evolved in a positive direction to to
to look at mothers and fathers on more of an
equal playing field. So what I was railing against was
sort of the initial backlash of like, how dare you
celebrate me, you know, in the same way as you
would have were a mere woman.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
And that's that's so valid though, that's part of it
because we know people. Okay, I'm a little torn about this.
So the initial people objecting to Father's Day, we're doing
exactly what we're talking about. They said, this is a
sentimental attempt to emasculate us almost with flowers and with
giving of gifts, which is crazy. Gifts are awesome inherently.
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I love free style.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, it's great, and it's also thoughtful gifts. Uh, that's
that's the key, right. I'm really I'm against kind of
like holidays that require some sort of like pat you know,
the expected gifts like flowers, you know, I mean, you know,
flowers are cool. And if you want to get somebody flowers,
get them something based on like a color you know
they love, or like a chick flower you know that
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makes them happy. Don't just grab the nearest bouquet and
shove it in their face. I would typically. I mean,
I just think gift giving is such an opportunity to
show somebody that you think about them and that you're
aware of aspects of their personality.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, and also I don't think you should have to
tie it to a holiday. No. I think the coolest
gifts are you know, in the for no reason at all,
not because you're in trouble, not because someone decided it
should be an official day for something. Do something nice
for people you love.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I get my kid and my partner and friends' gifts
all the time, you know, just because and honestly, for
holidays and stuff. I'm typically the guy that's stopping at
the grocery store on the way home to grab something
because I'm fulfilling that expectation, and I frankly kind of
resent that.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Then here's the valid, here's the valid part of the
argument for people who had a backlash against Father's Day
that I think we both can agree with. They said,
we know about Mother's Day, it's a grift, and Father's
Days no different. These holidays are proliferating, and they're all
just a gimmick to sell more stuff. And hay, we
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the fathers are also paying for the Father's Days as the.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Sole breadwinners of our families.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, why am I paying for flowers for myself? They said. So.
I get the anti capitalist part about it, the anti commodification,
But yeah, I think maybe people were a little insecure
or a little caught in their preconceptions about masculinity.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
They were in their feelings.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
They were in their feelings a little bit.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, yeah, but not in like a touchy feely kind
of way.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
No, No, in a very emotionally damaged way.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
And I didn't kind of think I caught this in
the Mother's Day episode, but this idea maybe maybe it
came up briefly specifically for Mother's Day, But in the
nineteen twenties and thirties there was actually a movement to
get rid of both of these holidays entirely in favor
of combining them into a into one Parents' Day. How
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that god that take off? I only I've heard of
Parents Day.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
It's around in other countries. Maybe, yeah, you know, parents
are generally a good thing, so you're right, though it
did not encounter near the success of Father's Day, let
alone Mother's Day. It's strange to me that for a
while during that time period, during the twenties and thirties,
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every year the Mother's Day occurred, these groups would protest it.
They would be pro Parents' Day groups, and they would
go to Central Park because they liked having problems.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
I guess seems so. I mean, the idea of there
being a Parents Day activist the sky Robert Spear who
said that both parents should be loved and respected together
like at the same time. I don't know about it,
you know, it's I guess that's sort of like a
killing two birds with one stone situation, you know, one
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holiday to rule them all.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
But it feels like this guy just want to be
mad about something.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
It's a little bit.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Of what about is? I completely agree, and as we know,
that did not take off, you know, because what about
you know, parents who are divorced. Yeah, maybe it's a
good thing that you can honor them separately.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I think maybe if there is a debate or a
question around it, is it is the gendered aspect of it,
you know what I mean? Maybe?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
But how who cares? Here's what happened the Great Depression.
That's one of the reasons Father's Day is still a
big thing because think about it, you're a business, you're
an ad company, and you have to somehow get out
of the red and into the black ink. So they
doubled down to try to make Father's Day what they
thought of as a second Christmas for dudes.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah, because you know, all these cliche ideas of gifts
are supposed to get your dad, those hold true for
any gift giving opportunity in these days. Pipes, you know,
like slippers, tie ties, then nobody really even wants and
that if you're gonna get it, you're gonna get one
for yourself, because these are like things that require you
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to have a little bit of awareness of, like your
own personal style. The joke around these gifts is often
people are giving you these things and you will never
wear them.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Right right, Like, thank you for this artruse and green
polka dotted ascot. I'll treasure it forever.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
That sounds really nice, just being frank right here. I
really like if you guys got that for me, I
would appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Oh god, now we have to remember what I described. Okay,
shartruse and green polka dot.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I mean, Ben, It's not like we have a like,
you know, recorded version of you saying it or anything.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Oh that's right, never mind, why are we even bothering
with long term memory? So?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeah, who needs it?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yeah? Who needs it?
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Soon we'll have implants that'll do it all for us.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Or we can just ask chat GPTMH.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Pair it with a nice voice mimicking software and you
know we're relevant at that point. Oh, come on, maybe
not irrelevant. We still have to like talk at the
bot to train it to sound more like us.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Oh boy, yeah, I mean you know you're talking about
aims transforming over time. And that's what I happened over
Father's Day.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
No attention to the man behind the grid.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
What do you think before we get to the end
of Father's Day, I think we'll still be around.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I doing some gallows humor here.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I do think we'll be right.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I mean me personally as a consumer of podcasts, and
it's of culture. Like if I found out that someone
had replaced my you know, Folger's crystals with Taster's choice
and didn't tell me, I'd be pretty pissed.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, and I would also be really suspect I'd be
I'd also be sad if I was listening to a
show that I was a fan of and I learned
that with like the darkest version of that is, a
legendary host passes away and then AI is used to
just keep making episodes of them after day.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
People are kind of losing their their stuff. Over the
headline saying that Paul McCartney is it was a gate
fight through his support by AI technology being used to
create a quote unquote final Beatle song. But if you
read below the headline, you realize they actually just used
AI as a restoration tool to lift out a vocal
(29:21):
that John Lennon made as a demo while playing the
piano and singing on like a pretty low fire recording
set up. So they cleaned it up, separated it from
the piano, and allowed it to be used in a
multi track recording capacity. Is the song going to be
any good? I don't know, irrelevant, but they didn't like
do a Tupac hologram version John Lyon's voice, And I
frankly think most people who are actual fans of art
(29:43):
and culture.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Won't stand for that. You know, I would like to
think that.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I would like to I would like to think that
as well. And you know I mean full disclosure, folks. Yes,
this episode is entirely created and hosted by chat ChiPT YEP.
Where are we gonna go with that? Oh well, segue?
Did a segue? Okay? So things changing Father's Day got tainted?
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People would say, you know it, it became a money grab.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I think you set it up perfectly, this idea of
it being a second Christmas, you know, to buy a
lot of these, like frankly, you know, sharper image type objects,
you know, for dads that they probably don't even want,
and it's just obligatory kind of gift giving and that
suits the companies more than it does the dads, frankly,
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and then once that becomes really, really clear, it does
start to have a bit of a taint to it,
doesn't the.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah, I mean, just just send your dad a text
and say something that you think is cool about them
and make sure it's sincere. Don't You don't have to
wait for a specific day to do that, you know.
And of course, like all of these holidays, like we
learned with Mother's Day, Father's Day is not just celebrating
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the UI, and it's not just celebrated at the same time.
People all around the world celebrate something like Father's Day
at different periods in the year.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Have you heard of this practice of wearing a red
rose if your father's alive and a white one if
he's dead.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I have not. That seems frankly invasive, it does.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
I mean, cool, let's have a conversation about our dead dads,
as that was I supposed to ask me about my
dead dad.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
That's what that would say. Yeah, yeah, I don't think
they thought that one threw.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
All the way. Yeah, I was just not aware of
this as a custom. But what about you know, maybe
non traditional male role models or or you know, frankly
father figures, you know, like you know, my dear, dear
friend Harry, He's actually coming to visit over Father's Day weekend.
It occurred to me like he's the closest thing I
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have to a father, and I'm gonna he's going to
the same brunch that I'm going to. And it was
just kind of a happenstance that occurred that way. But
I'm kind of glad that it did, because I do
think of him in that same way.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Are you going to get him a card?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Hell?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
No, Are you going to get him a tie?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
No, he doesn't wear a tie. I'll ge him a hairtie.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
What's the sock situation?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Unclear? But I am going to take him to brunch
and then host him my house and cook him a
barbecue and spend some good time with him because he's
a true friend and someone that I've always looked up
to in that way, you know, without an actual living father.
So that's that's an interesting role too, is like what
about the the uncles, the grandfathers, the families of the world.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
You know, Yeah, they also get honored on that day
sometimes because you know, you as you go through life,
you do run into people who fulfill some of those roles.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
You may not be able to speak with your biological mother,
you may not be on the best terms with her,
but you might have a mother figure in your life.
And the same goes with parents, with siblings, with all
all the loved ones you can imagine. Uh, so they
should be celebrated as well. And I think that's I
think that's kind of cool. I think that's inclusive. I
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do think it's interesting that there's a Father's Day thing
tied to Roman Catholicism.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yeah, celebrated in countries like Spain and Portugal, observed on
the feast of Saint Joseph. Is the Saint Joseph the
patron saint of fathers, manly men.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
We cut some off air time where we decided to
look up the Saint Saint Joseph. Why why is that
Father's Day? Saint Joseph the worker is patron saint of
a couple of different things. They always are, right, Let's
see the patron saint of fathers. Nailed it, got it?
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
He is also vibes, you said, the worker. You know,
he is also a work patron saint of workers. Anybody
who's married, anybody who's been exiled.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Wait a minute, what's that?
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Last? Yeah, all right, last one was a was a
shamalan for us, uh, the sick and the dying, and
patrons say of a holy death?
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Wait, what's holy death?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
You know? What?
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Is that a spell? And like elden ring, that really
does sound like is that.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Like dying with honor?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
If you're a cleon, I'm you know, you guys are
onto some great things here. We'll have to learn more
about it. I am not Catholic, I'm not Christian, nor
I don't know what to say about it.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I do know what to say about the Taiwanese celebration
of Father's Day. Much like our pal who wanted it
to be on his birthday, this celebration is in fact
on my actual birthday, August the eighth, fifth day of
the eighth month, which is a fun, you know, little
little thing with my birthday. It's eight eight eighty three,
fun to stay out loud. But yeah, immediately saw this
and thought of that guy that like wanted to have
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Father's Day beyond his birthday. I'm like, we are not
the same. It's not my idea, but like the cut
of whom's ever jib in Taiwan decided to hold it
on that day. Well, actually sounds like it was because
the Mandarin Chinese word for eight sounds like the word papa. Well,
do you know, you know, I know, you know a
bit of Mandarin?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, yeah, I know, I know a little bit. It's bob,
Thanks Jat, you're the best. Bah And so the eighth day,
eighth month, bah Ba got it? You said twice it
becomes papa. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And uh, look here we
have to do it, noel, Uh, it's our first time
(35:27):
in uh in the new studio. The man, the myth,
the legend himself, our resident rock star, Matt Frederick wearing
he's wearing his sunglasses. Inside he's got a fresh haircut. Hey,
Matt fresh, Matt, you got something to say to the people?
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Can even hear us?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Hi overbody?
Speaker 3 (35:46):
He's so cool, He's so cool. Listen to that. Yeah,
the swagger, the swagger in that voice.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
We have to figure out a way to get Matt back.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Well, obviously he's here. It's easier to accomplish. We can
just you know, invite him in. But yeah, do you
want to come into come in for the second episode,
we're about to do another one. He's like, I got
a battle, he's gonna surf. He's got a skate. I
think he's gonna surf.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
On a phone. Okay, that guy is too cool for school. Really,
And like Taiwan, Thailand has their own Father's Day and
Thailand is tied to the birthday of a former king
whose name I'm going to attempt and mess up. It's cool, Okay,
let's both try it. So boom Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Doesn't boo ball sound like a Mario character, like, you know,
like the giant bomb guy with the crown I forget
his or it.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Feels like the big sport in like a children's sci
fi show We got to play?
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yeah, exactly, dude. I discovered a new sports when I
was in Philly. There were these like weird curved tables
with a it's it's like a ping pong table, but
they're curved and apparently you kick a ball on it
and bounce it. It's like ping pong or pickleball, but you
play it with your feet and apparently it is from
(37:10):
from Spain or that's cool. Yeah, And I've never seen
these tables anywhere. They look kind of like miniature skate rams.
So anybody out there that knows what the hell this
thing is, let let us know.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
And anyone who can help us with pronunciation of names
the tyroyal family, let us know. Because I have to
learn that stuff. I have to go. I don't think
I told you I'm going to I have to. I
have to go to Thailand to go to Titober.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
That sucks.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
That's rough, that's awesome, that's really exciting. Godspeed, and yeah,
just you know, surely there's a chat GPT out there
that I could just uh.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I could have like a little thing around my neck.
It's just chat GPT instead of like a slate with
some chalk, you know, right, But that day entirely, the
December fifth day is always Father's Day, and I like.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
That December fifth. Leave it at Dad.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
It doesn't have to be that third or fourth thing,
you know. That's that's too complicated.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Same with the Taiwanese deal. Eight eight boom remembered it
easy is also my birthday. Eighty eight also is good luck.
Hey cool, no wonder I've been coasting through life. I
think these many years. Four is bad, okay, Well, I
said it's visible by four I.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Know, but it's double Oh, it's double four, so it's good.
You know, we might have to come back to this south,
We might have to workshop.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
We might want to leave this one alone. We don't
want to uncover any Pandora's Box type situ.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, but we do want to wish everybody a happy
belated Father's Day, A happy Father's Day to you know,
a happy Father's Day to your entire family. Max, Max,
your cat dad. I think you've described yourself as.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I am a cat dad. And also sometimes I feel
like I'm all's parent, y'all, Like I'm more of a
parent's day than a father's day to y'all. But I
get that feeling a lot of times, especially when it's like,
you know, trying to find Noel and get him to
the right studio is somebod.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
You're always smacking me in the back of the head
and calling me a giant disappointment.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yes, unless HR is listening to this episode and.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Listed our show.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Also, I'm older than you, bro.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
You both are older than me, but I'm still your father,
all right, sure you know what?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Big thanks to super producer Max Williams, Yeah aka Dad,
big big thanks to uh big thanks to Alex Williams,
who composed the track Big. Thanks to pal Matt who
just uh just has such infectious energy.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
He does, he does. He is a walking plague of
a human in the positive sense, positive play, positivity play.
Thanks to uh Chris frosciotis here in spirit, he's Jeff Coates,
Jonathan Strickland. I bet you we can get him here
in person too. Yeah, you can press to digitate him
from one of these nice you know, and deployment of
that word into one of these mic positions. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Also, I owe him an email, so that'll be a
good time.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Don't sleep on that, man.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
I gotta stop. I gotta wake up. I can't keep
sleeping on responding to those emails, and we can't keep
sleeping on this new studio. No, this has been such
a fun time. I feel like we portrayed ourselves a
little because we're both all three of us. Max To
came in saying, all right, this is gonna be short.
When you know what I mean. We got and we got,
(40:24):
we condensed our research. We're gonna make it a punchy
thing about Father's Day.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
And still punchy. Uh not in the like lack of
sleepway but like in the listen to, these punchy characters
have a good time talking about stuff, and so we
liked that and I'm excited. It sort of feels like
we're opening a new chapter of the show, being here
in person with each other, hand out with you. We'll
see you next time. Books. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio,
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