June 14, 2018 • 35 mins
You've heard of mooning -- the practice of bearing one's butt as an insult -- but where did it come from? Join Ben and Noel as they dive into the deadly story of the world's first recorded mooning, along with some other notable moments in keister history.
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, well, well, thanks for tuning in Ridiculous Historians. Today,
we have a rather cheeky episode for you, Ben, you
cheeky bastard. Well, I want to be uh, I want
to be bare faced about what we're getting into here today.
Noel her over here right, we uh. We do want
(00:45):
to say that we hope you enjoy the occasional dad
joke and pun that happens here on Ridiculous History, but
we do want to warn you these puns have not
been approved by our super producer, Casey Pegram. Yeah. In fact,
sometimes he'll make a face, yes, but sometimes it's a
good face. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we spend a lot
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of time during recording saying stuff to make each other
laugh and then hopefully you can see it one day
friends neighbors, Nolan and I will make a joke trying
to crack the other one up, and then we'll both turn.
We can probably hear the sounds of our next whipping
around over to Casey approve of us for a nod,
(01:26):
just any kind of errant glance, Yeah, we we hinge
on it, uh, And we do so in the spirit
of decorum conversations between gentlemen. This episode is about something
that's very under chorous, and I wanted to open with
a question. Don't have to answer, don't fill obligator. I
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was hoping it was going to be a song. No
question in the form of a song. Give it to me.
Have you ever moons someone? No, you haven't, not that
I recall. Okay, yeah, that's that's incriminating. I mean no,
I don't have a distinct memory of I mean yeah, okay, yeah,
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I mean you know a girlfriend. Now I'm getting too personal.
That sounds weird. You know, a little cheeky flash, you know,
a little flash of the cheek, but not as an insult, right, not,
not as not to degrade someone. No, sir, I will
tell you a true story that stays just between you, Casey,
me and everyone listening to this show. Hey, we're all
(02:33):
friends here. I did. I did moon someone once as
an insult. In high school. Yeah, it was my junior year.
There was a a villain, a bully in my high school.
He was the year above me, and the kid was
a sack of bricks from the neck up. Not the
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not the brightest crayon in the box. Oh, I thought
you meant like he was built like a brick. Ship house.
He was also a big dude, and he made life
miserable for my friends and I. And there was a
gas station that people would go to every day after
school to hang, to pick up sodas, to try to
mack on each other and whatnot. And this guy was advertising.
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One day near the end of the school year, he
was advertising a house party at his place, and he
drove a jeep. He thought of yeah, an open air jeep,
and he thought it would be a great idea for
him to stripped down to his skivs, put on a
sandwich board sign advertising his house party, and walk up
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and down the street between the school and the gas
station punishment. We really didn't like this guy, me and
my posse, and so while we were at the gas station,
spur the moment, terrible impulse. Don't try this at home, kids.
We took his clothes out of his jeep and then
we drove by in my car and stopped and then
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mooned him and drove away waving his clothes. He ran
in his underwear to his jeep reared off, chasing after us.
And it was also the first day I mooned someone
as an insult. Was also the first day I got
involved in a car chase. The bully didn't you know,
murder anybody? He chased you a little high speed car shade.
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It's a little bit of fist shaking, but you know,
no lives were lost in this particular mooning incident. Right, Well,
we don't have to go to the rest of the
story too, but but yeah, it's just just the mooning
part is is pertinent for today's episode because you are right,
Mooning for some reason, is universally acknowledged as an insult
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to someone. Right, It's not. It's not like a another
form of a wave. Right, And in today's episode, you
and I discovered a story about just how far back
the practice known as mooning goes. And maybe this is
over explaining it, but what do you think do you
think we should tell people, just in case they're hearing this,
(05:10):
tell people what mooning actually is. Yeah, I mean I
if they haven't figured it out by now or didn't
already know, I'm worried about them. But why don't we
do it? Mooning The act of mooning bearing your moon,
your hind quarters, your your backside, dropping trout or lifting
the kilter or skirts, etcetera. And lifting the kilter the
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skirt like in Braveheart, remember that. Yeah, apparently some historical
truth to that, But it was actually flipped around the
other way. It was it was the English mooning the Scots,
because I believe in the film the Scottish forces show
their backside but then also show their front side. That's
right what they do in about face or that. It
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was the double the moon and the sun. It was
very choreographed as well, So that's interesting. I didn't know
that that was the English. That's what. Yeah, apparently in
real real life. Skis um. But we're going back to
what some have dubbed the original moon. Yes, the earliest
recorded mooning. According to many sources, it goes all the
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way back to the first century a d. The very
first one, the very first one. And to tell the story,
we're relying on an author named Josephus Boy Josephus man
young feesus himself. I know he's got an interesting story
all of his own, but let's um, let's start with
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the initial story that Josephus has to tell us about
this historical display of ours. Yes, yes, okay. So Josephus
wrote a book called the Jewish War, and in this book,
he tells h a story of a very strange event
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that occurred between the Jewish people and the occupying Roman soldiers,
so Roman forces during what's dubbed the Pox Romana, which
is kind of interesting considering that means peace of Rome.
It wasn't so peaceful. There was there were outright rebels,
and there were revolts brewing in this land against these
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occupying forces. And there were a lot of factors at
play because they were religious zealots who wanted to purify
the Jewish faith, and then there were ones that were
a little more amenable to their invaders, you know, and
when we're we're kind of okay with continuing with this
way of life as long as they were able to
maintain some of the tenets of their Jewish faith. So
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we're seeing here in Joceva's story is a clash involving
some of those more zealous forces. Yeah. Yeah, because whenever
there is an occupying force, there is inevitably going to
be some sort of tension, and this situation was no different.
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Imagine if you can living in a city wherein you
and your entire community are under the thumb, whether benevolent
or whether brutal. You're under the thumb of foreign forces,
an alien culture that doesn't hold the values you hold,
that doesn't believe in the traditions that you have practiced
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since time immemorial. Obviously there's going to be some tension. No,
I think you did a fantastic job laying out the
differences between these groups. And we're not going to go
all the way into every nuance of this, but there's
a lot of back and forth in this conflict between
Rome and the people of Israel, ultimately resulting in the
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Romans being expelled and largely massacred um. But that's almost
a whole episode unto itself. That is is pretty heavy,
full of bloodshed. We're talking about moonings today, that's right,
that's right. So the situation becomes incredibly tense during the
Passover season because crowds and crowds of people are flocking
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to Jerusalem, and this is a powder keg. Any small
excuse could become the feather that breaks the camels back
in terms of war. And there's an excellent recount of
this in a book called the Jewish Revolts against Rome
a d. Sixty to one thirty five. A military analysis
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by James J. Bloom. So here's the situation. The Roman prefect,
who is in charge of these occupying forces, would routinely
post soldiers a top battlements so that they could have
an unparalleled or superior view of the proceedings of the pilgrimages.
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The visitor was the passover to make sure no one
was stern, any string, any mess Yeah, no domestic unrest, right,
and they was in charge at this point. Do you
remember Cestius Gallus, Yes, sir, that's the one. Yes. So
he uh, he had these soldiers looking for any sign
of agitation because, at least from the prefects perspective, no
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one wanted to quote Michael Jackson, no one wanted to
be starting something. But unfortunately those plans went awry because
of a single Roman soldier. Yeah, this unnamed soldier. UM
thought it'd be real cute if he um did the
thing in question here, pulled down as his what did
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he have like a skirt? Yeah, he was like one
of those battle skirts. He had something covering his took
his and he removed it. And I'm guessing no, he
was commando because you know, he was kind of a soldier.
I guess, um, where's that term coming from Ben, going commando.
Do you really think commandos didn't wear underpants? That that
that seems to be a bad idea. Seems like you'd
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get swamp ass. Yeah, it seems like, especially if you're
on a commando mission, um, you would want all the
protection you can have us. So I think going commando
dates back to the Vietnam War, at least that's when
it got popular because people would say that these folks,
these commandos went without underwear to increase ventilation and reduce moisture,
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so they dried out the Yeah, but it still doesn't
make sense. No, it's fine, anyway, we digress. This particular
fellow sure seems like he had easy access to his bits,
right because he didn't you know, if you don't see
it written that he you know, gingerly removed his breeches.
Now it's he like pulled up something and let it fly. Um.
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And to quote the account, you want to do this, Ben,
I think I think if if you care to this,
is you sure, sorry, I'll do it. I'll do it, Um.
Josephus and I realized why. I think that's funny. I
think of Bocephus, which is the nickname for I believe
Hank Williams Bocephus, so that's I can never separate this two.
But yeah, Josephus describes the historical mooning as such, one
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of the soldiers raising his robe, stooped in an indecent
attitude so as to turn his backside to the Jews,
and made a noise in keeping with his posture. Does
that mean he let fly at a tute? That means
he either either he actually flatellated or the version that
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I think is for some reason much funnier is he
leads over and made the noise with his mouth. Yeah, oh,
yours is better. There's there's there's different no but I
put my hands on my face. He couldn't have done that.
He definitely couldn't because he was holding his his skirts,
skirt whatever. Yeah, and this, this did not go over well,
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my friend, because these were pilgrims on a during an
uh a very high holy time. Right, yeah, it's a
holy day, it's it's a very serious, somber, thankful time.
And they're already beefed up with these Roman jerks, you know,
who are just hanging around when they're skirts Boston people
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around spears. Well, yeah, Honestly, it's tremendously offensive to deride
somebody's religion at any point, but especially when they're in
the middle of one of the most important celebrations they have.
I'm trying to picture this too. Can you picture this scene? Like? What?
How is this guy able to make himself such a
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such a display because he was on that battle, he
was on raised ground. But the other thing that's weird
about this is that we know very little about his
motivation other than that he was, as Josepha says, contemptuous.
You know. So was it some thing where he had
had some strong wine and had one of those hold
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my beer moments he had drained his wine skin, yes,
you know, up on the up on the battlements in
the hot sun. Or was he really just a sober,
bad tempered person. Yeah, because Ben, I mean, it's pretty
clear from the history here that neither side cared much
for the other. Right, Well, why would you if you
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were if you were a Jerusalem native, why would you
be buddy buddy with these people? There was some weird
side switching though, um and our boy Josephus was one
of these defectors. He he initially was actually put in
command of a force of rebels on the Jewish side
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and then hop sides over to the Roman side, and
he ended up becoming the historian that told these accounts.
And he is considered by many historians to be particularly
manipulative and untrustworth. So he's kind of an unreliable narrator here,
but it's all we've got, and it's now a primary
source because he was there. But he also may well
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have been a a bit of a self aggrandizing liar, right, Yeah,
that's that's the thing. So his his lifetime, he was
born in thirty seven C or thirty seven eight D
see for common era a d for after the death
of Jesus Christ dominant yes, nail on the head nal.
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And he died around one hundred c E. And so
when we go to this record of this earliest recorded mooning,
it's him writing about this event far after the fact.
But he was definitely involved in the political and military
conflicts of the time. He was, you know, as as
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you said, the head of Jewish forces in Galilee until
he surrendered in sixties seven to Roman forces, and then
he decided to stay on. He had been a slave,
he had been an interpreter, very fascinating life. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
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we have to take it with a grain assault when
we hear the stories as told primarily by Josephus. Is
he writing too sort of polish his own image. Is
he factually reporting and if so, to what degree he
is held up in the Jewish community. It seems as
being at least an important chronicler of some of these battles,
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because he was there. But even in this article I
found from a beautifully named website called the Juniverse. Um,
they describe him as a famously self aggrandizing ancient historian. Um.
But he wrote such works as the Jewish War, which
is what this account is, from Jewish Antiquities and against Apion. Yeah,
that's a two volume defense of Judaism as classical region
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and philosophy. Is very well written, prolific man. Yes, And
speaking of that, and I actually found a translation of
the incident, we will call it that. I much prefer
this is just the wording is which one is this?
It's just it's in this article in the Juniverse, and
it's just it's the same. It's obviously the same text
as what we read a minute ago. I just think
this particular translation is way more fun um this. This
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one describes the soldier as that he pulled back his
garment and cowering down after an indecent manner, turned his
breach to the Jews and spake such words as you
might expect upon such a posture. I love the idea
of that he spake. Yes. Now this makes us think
whether there is a difference in translation. Was he making
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a farting noise with his mouth? Was he saying something
offensive like, you know, uh, snarf my butt? People? I
don't know, Ben, Never did I think those words would
let fly from those luxurious lips of yours. Thank you,
thank you. It's called a cupid's bow that's up like so,
so I don't we don't think they said SNAr if
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we're speculating there. But despite the fact that many people
nowadays love a good bit of crass but oriented humor,
there's a time and a place for it. And that
was true in this instance, because the crowd did not
react well to this. No one was like, look at that,
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but yeah there, yeah, you know, I I started going
down that path earlier. I think we got distracted with
more but related uh lore. But yeah, no, this did
not go, well, this did not go well. Um. And
also that that commander we were talking about, Gallus, he
was kind of considered, um, a bit of a dunder
head or like a bit of kind of an overreacting
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adult when it came to being a military superior. And
there have been a lot of incidents leading up to
this that were already causing a lot of divisive feelings
between the US and their occupiers. I believe there was
some destruction of some sacred scrolls and just just in
general bad behavior on the part of these occupying forces
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toward the religion of the natives. Yeah. So you can
read an excellent article about this from History net uh
The Great Siege of Jerusalem by Ralph Peters, which details
some of the context leading up to this. And we
have to establish that because it's easy to look at
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this single incident in a vacuum and say, sure, mooning
someone may be impolite, but it's not a cause for
citywide pandemonium. So this was something that was happening in
addition to many profoundly offensive and disrespectful things burning sacred scrolls,
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that's a huge one. But also there were recent crises
that had occurred in Afghanistan at the time. And they
also strong armed to the temple priest into making a
massive payment to Rome, So they were stealing from the
people as well. That's right. Was that the Pharisees, they
were all these different classes, and I believe that Josephus
was initially part of the Pharisees, and they were a
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sect of priests. Um. That gets sort of a bad
rap because of their place in the Bible and their
interactions with Jesus and the idea of the Pharisees and
the money changers and all that of being the sign
of greed and hypocrisy. Um. But they were largely responsible
for preserving some of the important religious texts of this faith.
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So there's a lot of interesting stuff in the in
the history of of of the Jewish people, really really
fascinating stuff. I mean, they were a kingdom, you know,
the Kingdom of Judea, and like the Maccabees, and you know,
they were always able to fight off their occupiers and
they were constantly being jackt with, right. Yeah. Rome was
one in a series. Yeah, I mean, initially there was
the Persian conquest and there was the Hellenistic period with
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Alexander the great, and there was even this sense of
a lot of the a lot of Jews, parts of
sects of the society wanted to become Hellenized, where they
wanted to become more Greek and kind of abandon the
old ways. So there's always the struggle between um religious
Zeala's people that want to like keep the faith pure
and you know, more fair weather Jews that I think
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want to be more assimilated into their invading culture. Right,
assimilation is the word, and the threat of assimilation looms large, right,
and not just in this situation, but in situations throughout history.
And so it is within this rich and dangerous cultural
soil that this seed of discord, this active mooning by
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an unidentified Roman soldier of mooning, sprouts and spreads because
not only do the people not like it, not only
does no one go, but stuff, no, the people riot.
Oh yeah, no, they they they asked out that. Okay,
I think that's fine, I think it's it's appropriate. But no,
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I mean they're you know, this assembled crowd of thousands,
I mean upwards of over thirty thousand, because that is
the number reported that we're killed by Josephus. Yeah, he
says that the riot occurs, and all told, when the
dust settles, thirty thousand people Jewish hand Rooman lost their lives.
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And part of this, this is a little bit maybe
outside of the documented facts here, but part of this
we can assume would be due to Gallus is incredibly
belligerent and bellicose nature and just utter skittishness, because he
called in the troops big time, overcorrected, and then gave
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the order to you know, fire Adam boys sticking with
spears right right, an over response. He sent in Roman
soldiers not just to quell the riot or call them
the people, but to punish and injure them, and that
is what sprouted the seat. Now we we don't have
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any information of what that unknown Roman soldier was doing
as he was on the battlement watching this riot occur.
Did he go down to attack some of these innocent men,
women and children. Did he just stay up there thinking
that he had discovered one of the world's most amazing
and dangerous insults, the Adam bomb of rude physical gestures,
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the Adam bum. There we go. So we don't know
what happened to him, but we do know that this
is the earliest recorded mooning. So if you have ever
been mooned, or if you like, your bullying, probably broke
his mind. He probably drove him mad man, you know, okay, okay, lastly,
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I'll say about that doll. It was a car of us.
Were you doing pheasant underglass? What's what's that? Are you
pressing your bare butts against the window? I mean one
guy definitely was one of the guys in the back.
That's pheasant underglass. I had no idea that is such
a classyness, such a class so I guess, so I
guess so peasant under glass. Well, that's an advanced moon
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that's like the next level mooning. So whether you have
moon someone who been mooned before, we hope that this
episode helps you be aware that you are either the
victim of or the practitioner of an ancient form of derision.
But then I want to talk about more historical mooning.
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So glad you do know off air, we were looking
into some really unusual and fascinating ones. What are you out?
What you got? Ben? I really appreciate you letting me
go first. You know how much how much I love
this topic. We both found and have been really enjoying
a fantastic article on slate dot com the very classy
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name mooning, a history by Forrest wickman Um mentioned briefly earlier,
the whole brave heart sun and moon gesture thing was
actually flipped the other way around. It was the English
taunting the Scottish with their their butts. Um. I think
this article was a good way to start here is
just let's talk about let's get back to the the
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coinage of the term mooning, because you see, Ben, while
this act was ancient, it didn't really get a proper
name until the nineteen sixties, when the Oxford English Dictionary
got an entry for the word that attributed it to
student slang of the sixties, because it became a really
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popular thing to do in university in America specific And
that's that's important because I believe that the description the
use of the word moon as a euphemism for but
or buttocks dates back to the seventeen hundreds or the
eighteenth century. But the reason I think it's interesting that
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it's traced to American or US student slang is because
American English is notorious for the practice of turning every
single word into a verb. You and I have done
it on multiple shows. Yeah, like squatching, Yeah, examsode, Yeah, exactly.
So it's it's nice to know that that linguistic tradition
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precedes us. But I am so fascinated by the fact
that this this act has been described multiple times in literature,
in fiction and nonfiction, and they didn't come up with
a convenient term for it for centuries, for heck, for millennia.
We know that, we know that during the Fourth Crusade
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and twelve oh three, Western Europeans were attempting to take Constantinople,
but they failed and they sailed away and defeat. And
as they were sailing away, the Byzantine forces who did
at them hollered at them and quote showed their bare
buttocks in derision to the fleeing foe. Derision. You say, yeah,
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because this act, you're essentially like sexually harassing someone from afar.
And then I guess, I guess it is somewhat counterintuitive
because in the animal world often when other mammals show
their posterior to a creature, it's an active submission, right,
It's like, hey, come, come get you some of this.
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But yeah, so now it's it's clearly it insult of course,
where would we be if we not mentioned one of
the most well known retellings or depictions of mooning in
the English language, And that is, of course the Miller's
tale from Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales, old saucy chausey and
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there's Baldi. Baldi Canterbury Tales chose the sauce, that's him.
So in the frame story of the Canterbury Tales, a
group of people who are traveling decided to travel together
and to pass the time in their travels, they tell
each other's stories. There these people are described often by
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like their occupations. So there's a partner, for instance, who
carries relics and charges people to get close to these
religious artifacts. And then there is the miller, who is
in a wild plot twist the miller. But we have
a very saucy tale from the miller himself. We're not
going to read the whole thing, but there are some
parts that we think you will find. Choice, Ben, can
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we do the back and forth for one of us
as the old Englishman and the other is the translator?
For sure? Which one do you want to do? Um?
Can I be the translator? I feel like you have
a little more expertise when it comes to this work.
I believe he studied it in school. I did, but
my pronunciation is going to be terrible. God. I wish
Jonathan Strickland, the quister was here and his uh Renaissance
fair regalia he would lean into this hard to tell
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you what he might be here. We never know. Channel, So,
just so we don't have to read the whole thing,
can you give us a little quick and dirty of
how we get to the part that we're about to start? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
So the miller's tale is this story about a carpenter
and his wife and these two students or clerks that
are trying to get her into bed. The carpenter is
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a guy named John and he lives Knox for his
wife is a lot younger than him, and she is
known as a the local hottie. Right. Isn't this like
a cuckolding story kind of, isn't there? Yeah? Yeah? And uh,
what we'll do without going into the without going into
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the entire set up to the story, will read you
the juicy bit wherein a character named Absalon attempts to
pursue this wife romantically, and there's some climbing up a
ladder into a window. Kind of action going on here,
So let us begin lemon thy grace and sweet bird then,
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or sweetheart your favor, and sweet bird your kindness. The
window she untooth, and that in haste she unlatched the window.
Quickly have do quote, she come all, then speed thee fast,
go ahead, she said, come on and do it quickly.
Let's that our neighbors the spy. In case our neighbors
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see us. This Absalon gun wipe his mouth full dry.
This Absalon began to wipe his mouth dry. Dirk was
the nightest pitch or as the cool The night was dark,
you know, like picture coal. And at the window, out
she puts her whole, And out the window she put
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her whole. We're a family show, okay, okay, okay, And
Absalon him feel no better new wars. This park confuses me.
And as for Absalom, it happened no better nor worse.
But with his mouth he kissed her naked rs. So
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body they teached this in school, man, this is We're
still a family show. Um translation. If he couldn't use
your imagination there but with his mouth, but with his
mouth he kissed her naked arts full savory are He
was war of this most enjoyable before he realized what
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he was kissing. Back his start and thought it was
a mess. Back he started and thought something was raw.
Here we go for well he whist a woman hath
no bird? For he well knew women have no beards.
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I'm I'm applauding for Chaucer and also for Ben Boland.
And you're fantastic Old English brugue. What do you call
that was good? That wasn't even old English? It whatever? Whatever,
Brown ladies and gentlemen, and you're two kinds. Let's hear
it for super producer Casey Peggy. Yeah, we're making this alive.
Can we also hear it for a regular contributor, Laurel Dove.
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She didn't really contribute anything to this episode, but I
just don't want to hear it just like that sound.
It's delight. And while we're thanking everyone, let's give it up,
friends and neighbors, for Alex Williams, who composed our track,
and for our research associate Christopher Hasiotis, who spoiler alert,
may end up on this show and who spoiler alert
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and needs a sound effect. Yeah, yeah, Casey, we defer
to you give me later. We'll just you know, put
it on the back burner. We'll work you know what
right to us and let us know what you think
is what do you think when you're here? Has I
think about the infamous club, the hacienda owned by the
guy that you know discovered joy Division and New Order
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and all that stuff. I remember, have you seen the
movie twenty four Party people? Oh? Yeah, that's great that
come out? It was like the yeah, yeah oh. And
most importantly, give it up for yourself, Ken, if you
want to pat yourself on the back, give yourself a handshake,
don't be weirded out if people are looking at you.
You are self affirming. Play rock paper scissors with yourself.
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See see what happened? Tell us who wins. Please. In
the meantime, we hope that you enjoyed our exploration of
the history of mooning at least of a fraction as
much as we have clearly enjoyed diving into it. I'm
just tipsy with delight, and so our our journey ends
for today. That's the end of our episode, but not
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Well, well, well, thanks for tuning in Ridiculous Historians. Today,
we have a rather cheeky episode for you, Ben, you
cheeky bastard. Well, I want to be uh, I want
to be bare faced about what we're getting into here today.
Noel her over here right, we uh. We do want
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to say that we hope you enjoy the occasional dad
joke and pun that happens here on Ridiculous History, but
we do want to warn you these puns have not
been approved by our super producer, Casey Pegram. Yeah. In fact,
sometimes he'll make a face, yes, but sometimes it's a
good face. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we spend a lot
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of time during recording saying stuff to make each other
laugh and then hopefully you can see it one day
friends neighbors, Nolan and I will make a joke trying
to crack the other one up, and then we'll both turn.
We can probably hear the sounds of our next whipping
around over to Casey approve of us for a nod,
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just any kind of errant glance, Yeah, we we hinge
on it, uh, And we do so in the spirit
of decorum conversations between gentlemen. This episode is about something
that's very under chorous, and I wanted to open with
a question. Don't have to answer, don't fill obligator. I
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was hoping it was going to be a song. No
question in the form of a song. Give it to me.
Have you ever moons someone? No, you haven't, not that
I recall. Okay, yeah, that's that's incriminating. I mean no,
I don't have a distinct memory of I mean yeah, okay, yeah,
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I mean you know a girlfriend. Now I'm getting too personal.
That sounds weird. You know, a little cheeky flash, you know,
a little flash of the cheek, but not as an insult, right, not,
not as not to degrade someone. No, sir, I will
tell you a true story that stays just between you, Casey,
me and everyone listening to this show. Hey, we're all
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friends here. I did. I did moon someone once as
an insult. In high school. Yeah, it was my junior year.
There was a a villain, a bully in my high school.
He was the year above me, and the kid was
a sack of bricks from the neck up. Not the
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not the brightest crayon in the box. Oh, I thought
you meant like he was built like a brick. Ship house.
He was also a big dude, and he made life
miserable for my friends and I. And there was a
gas station that people would go to every day after
school to hang, to pick up sodas, to try to
mack on each other and whatnot. And this guy was advertising.
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One day near the end of the school year, he
was advertising a house party at his place, and he
drove a jeep. He thought of yeah, an open air jeep,
and he thought it would be a great idea for
him to stripped down to his skivs, put on a
sandwich board sign advertising his house party, and walk up
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and down the street between the school and the gas
station punishment. We really didn't like this guy, me and
my posse, and so while we were at the gas station,
spur the moment, terrible impulse. Don't try this at home, kids.
We took his clothes out of his jeep and then
we drove by in my car and stopped and then
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mooned him and drove away waving his clothes. He ran
in his underwear to his jeep reared off, chasing after us.
And it was also the first day I mooned someone
as an insult. Was also the first day I got
involved in a car chase. The bully didn't you know,
murder anybody? He chased you a little high speed car shade.
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It's a little bit of fist shaking, but you know,
no lives were lost in this particular mooning incident. Right, Well,
we don't have to go to the rest of the
story too, but but yeah, it's just just the mooning
part is is pertinent for today's episode because you are right,
Mooning for some reason, is universally acknowledged as an insult
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to someone. Right, It's not. It's not like a another
form of a wave. Right, And in today's episode, you
and I discovered a story about just how far back
the practice known as mooning goes. And maybe this is
over explaining it, but what do you think do you
think we should tell people, just in case they're hearing this,
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tell people what mooning actually is. Yeah, I mean I
if they haven't figured it out by now or didn't
already know, I'm worried about them. But why don't we
do it? Mooning The act of mooning bearing your moon,
your hind quarters, your your backside, dropping trout or lifting
the kilter or skirts, etcetera. And lifting the kilter the
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skirt like in Braveheart, remember that. Yeah, apparently some historical
truth to that, But it was actually flipped around the
other way. It was it was the English mooning the Scots,
because I believe in the film the Scottish forces show
their backside but then also show their front side. That's
right what they do in about face or that. It
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was the double the moon and the sun. It was
very choreographed as well, So that's interesting. I didn't know
that that was the English. That's what. Yeah, apparently in
real real life. Skis um. But we're going back to
what some have dubbed the original moon. Yes, the earliest
recorded mooning. According to many sources, it goes all the
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way back to the first century a d. The very
first one, the very first one. And to tell the story,
we're relying on an author named Josephus Boy Josephus man
young feesus himself. I know he's got an interesting story
all of his own, but let's um, let's start with
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the initial story that Josephus has to tell us about
this historical display of ours. Yes, yes, okay. So Josephus
wrote a book called the Jewish War, and in this book,
he tells h a story of a very strange event
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that occurred between the Jewish people and the occupying Roman soldiers,
so Roman forces during what's dubbed the Pox Romana, which
is kind of interesting considering that means peace of Rome.
It wasn't so peaceful. There was there were outright rebels,
and there were revolts brewing in this land against these
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occupying forces. And there were a lot of factors at
play because they were religious zealots who wanted to purify
the Jewish faith, and then there were ones that were
a little more amenable to their invaders, you know, and
when we're we're kind of okay with continuing with this
way of life as long as they were able to
maintain some of the tenets of their Jewish faith. So
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we're seeing here in Joceva's story is a clash involving
some of those more zealous forces. Yeah. Yeah, because whenever
there is an occupying force, there is inevitably going to
be some sort of tension, and this situation was no different.
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Imagine if you can living in a city wherein you
and your entire community are under the thumb, whether benevolent
or whether brutal. You're under the thumb of foreign forces,
an alien culture that doesn't hold the values you hold,
that doesn't believe in the traditions that you have practiced
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since time immemorial. Obviously there's going to be some tension. No,
I think you did a fantastic job laying out the
differences between these groups. And we're not going to go
all the way into every nuance of this, but there's
a lot of back and forth in this conflict between
Rome and the people of Israel, ultimately resulting in the
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Romans being expelled and largely massacred um. But that's almost
a whole episode unto itself. That is is pretty heavy,
full of bloodshed. We're talking about moonings today, that's right,
that's right. So the situation becomes incredibly tense during the
Passover season because crowds and crowds of people are flocking
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to Jerusalem, and this is a powder keg. Any small
excuse could become the feather that breaks the camels back
in terms of war. And there's an excellent recount of
this in a book called the Jewish Revolts against Rome
a d. Sixty to one thirty five. A military analysis
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by James J. Bloom. So here's the situation. The Roman prefect,
who is in charge of these occupying forces, would routinely
post soldiers a top battlements so that they could have
an unparalleled or superior view of the proceedings of the pilgrimages.
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The visitor was the passover to make sure no one
was stern, any string, any mess Yeah, no domestic unrest, right,
and they was in charge at this point. Do you
remember Cestius Gallus, Yes, sir, that's the one. Yes. So
he uh, he had these soldiers looking for any sign
of agitation because, at least from the prefects perspective, no
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one wanted to quote Michael Jackson, no one wanted to
be starting something. But unfortunately those plans went awry because
of a single Roman soldier. Yeah, this unnamed soldier. UM
thought it'd be real cute if he um did the
thing in question here, pulled down as his what did
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he have like a skirt? Yeah, he was like one
of those battle skirts. He had something covering his took
his and he removed it. And I'm guessing no, he
was commando because you know, he was kind of a soldier.
I guess, um, where's that term coming from Ben, going commando.
Do you really think commandos didn't wear underpants? That that
that seems to be a bad idea. Seems like you'd
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get swamp ass. Yeah, it seems like, especially if you're
on a commando mission, um, you would want all the
protection you can have us. So I think going commando
dates back to the Vietnam War, at least that's when
it got popular because people would say that these folks,
these commandos went without underwear to increase ventilation and reduce moisture,
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so they dried out the Yeah, but it still doesn't
make sense. No, it's fine, anyway, we digress. This particular
fellow sure seems like he had easy access to his bits,
right because he didn't you know, if you don't see
it written that he you know, gingerly removed his breeches.
Now it's he like pulled up something and let it fly. Um.
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And to quote the account, you want to do this, Ben,
I think I think if if you care to this,
is you sure, sorry, I'll do it. I'll do it, Um.
Josephus and I realized why. I think that's funny. I
think of Bocephus, which is the nickname for I believe
Hank Williams Bocephus, so that's I can never separate this two.
But yeah, Josephus describes the historical mooning as such, one
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of the soldiers raising his robe, stooped in an indecent
attitude so as to turn his backside to the Jews,
and made a noise in keeping with his posture. Does
that mean he let fly at a tute? That means
he either either he actually flatellated or the version that
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I think is for some reason much funnier is he
leads over and made the noise with his mouth. Yeah, oh,
yours is better. There's there's there's different no but I
put my hands on my face. He couldn't have done that.
He definitely couldn't because he was holding his his skirts,
skirt whatever. Yeah, and this, this did not go over well,
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my friend, because these were pilgrims on a during an
uh a very high holy time. Right, yeah, it's a
holy day, it's it's a very serious, somber, thankful time.
And they're already beefed up with these Roman jerks, you know,
who are just hanging around when they're skirts Boston people
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around spears. Well, yeah, Honestly, it's tremendously offensive to deride
somebody's religion at any point, but especially when they're in
the middle of one of the most important celebrations they have.
I'm trying to picture this too. Can you picture this scene? Like? What?
How is this guy able to make himself such a
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such a display because he was on that battle, he
was on raised ground. But the other thing that's weird
about this is that we know very little about his
motivation other than that he was, as Josepha says, contemptuous.
You know. So was it some thing where he had
had some strong wine and had one of those hold
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my beer moments he had drained his wine skin, yes,
you know, up on the up on the battlements in
the hot sun. Or was he really just a sober,
bad tempered person. Yeah, because Ben, I mean, it's pretty
clear from the history here that neither side cared much
for the other. Right, Well, why would you if you
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were if you were a Jerusalem native, why would you
be buddy buddy with these people? There was some weird
side switching though, um and our boy Josephus was one
of these defectors. He he initially was actually put in
command of a force of rebels on the Jewish side
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and then hop sides over to the Roman side, and
he ended up becoming the historian that told these accounts.
And he is considered by many historians to be particularly
manipulative and untrustworth. So he's kind of an unreliable narrator here,
but it's all we've got, and it's now a primary
source because he was there. But he also may well
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have been a a bit of a self aggrandizing liar, right, Yeah,
that's that's the thing. So his his lifetime, he was
born in thirty seven C or thirty seven eight D
see for common era a d for after the death
of Jesus Christ dominant yes, nail on the head nal.
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And he died around one hundred c E. And so
when we go to this record of this earliest recorded mooning,
it's him writing about this event far after the fact.
But he was definitely involved in the political and military
conflicts of the time. He was, you know, as as
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you said, the head of Jewish forces in Galilee until
he surrendered in sixties seven to Roman forces, and then
he decided to stay on. He had been a slave,
he had been an interpreter, very fascinating life. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
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we have to take it with a grain assault when
we hear the stories as told primarily by Josephus. Is
he writing too sort of polish his own image. Is
he factually reporting and if so, to what degree he
is held up in the Jewish community. It seems as
being at least an important chronicler of some of these battles,
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because he was there. But even in this article I
found from a beautifully named website called the Juniverse. Um,
they describe him as a famously self aggrandizing ancient historian. Um.
But he wrote such works as the Jewish War, which
is what this account is, from Jewish Antiquities and against Apion. Yeah,
that's a two volume defense of Judaism as classical region
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and philosophy. Is very well written, prolific man. Yes, And
speaking of that, and I actually found a translation of
the incident, we will call it that. I much prefer
this is just the wording is which one is this?
It's just it's in this article in the Juniverse, and
it's just it's the same. It's obviously the same text
as what we read a minute ago. I just think
this particular translation is way more fun um this. This
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one describes the soldier as that he pulled back his
garment and cowering down after an indecent manner, turned his
breach to the Jews and spake such words as you
might expect upon such a posture. I love the idea
of that he spake. Yes. Now this makes us think
whether there is a difference in translation. Was he making
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a farting noise with his mouth? Was he saying something
offensive like, you know, uh, snarf my butt? People? I
don't know, Ben, Never did I think those words would
let fly from those luxurious lips of yours. Thank you,
thank you. It's called a cupid's bow that's up like so,
so I don't we don't think they said SNAr if
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we're speculating there. But despite the fact that many people
nowadays love a good bit of crass but oriented humor,
there's a time and a place for it. And that
was true in this instance, because the crowd did not
react well to this. No one was like, look at that,
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but yeah there, yeah, you know, I I started going
down that path earlier. I think we got distracted with
more but related uh lore. But yeah, no, this did
not go, well, this did not go well. Um. And
also that that commander we were talking about, Gallus, he
was kind of considered, um, a bit of a dunder
head or like a bit of kind of an overreacting
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adult when it came to being a military superior. And
there have been a lot of incidents leading up to
this that were already causing a lot of divisive feelings
between the US and their occupiers. I believe there was
some destruction of some sacred scrolls and just just in
general bad behavior on the part of these occupying forces
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toward the religion of the natives. Yeah. So you can
read an excellent article about this from History net uh
The Great Siege of Jerusalem by Ralph Peters, which details
some of the context leading up to this. And we
have to establish that because it's easy to look at
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this single incident in a vacuum and say, sure, mooning
someone may be impolite, but it's not a cause for
citywide pandemonium. So this was something that was happening in
addition to many profoundly offensive and disrespectful things burning sacred scrolls,
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that's a huge one. But also there were recent crises
that had occurred in Afghanistan at the time. And they
also strong armed to the temple priest into making a
massive payment to Rome, So they were stealing from the
people as well. That's right. Was that the Pharisees, they
were all these different classes, and I believe that Josephus
was initially part of the Pharisees, and they were a
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sect of priests. Um. That gets sort of a bad
rap because of their place in the Bible and their
interactions with Jesus and the idea of the Pharisees and
the money changers and all that of being the sign
of greed and hypocrisy. Um. But they were largely responsible
for preserving some of the important religious texts of this faith.
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So there's a lot of interesting stuff in the in
the history of of of the Jewish people, really really
fascinating stuff. I mean, they were a kingdom, you know,
the Kingdom of Judea, and like the Maccabees, and you know,
they were always able to fight off their occupiers and
they were constantly being jackt with, right. Yeah. Rome was
one in a series. Yeah, I mean, initially there was
the Persian conquest and there was the Hellenistic period with
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Alexander the great, and there was even this sense of
a lot of the a lot of Jews, parts of
sects of the society wanted to become Hellenized, where they
wanted to become more Greek and kind of abandon the
old ways. So there's always the struggle between um religious
Zeala's people that want to like keep the faith pure
and you know, more fair weather Jews that I think
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want to be more assimilated into their invading culture. Right,
assimilation is the word, and the threat of assimilation looms large, right,
and not just in this situation, but in situations throughout history.
And so it is within this rich and dangerous cultural
soil that this seed of discord, this active mooning by
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an unidentified Roman soldier of mooning, sprouts and spreads because
not only do the people not like it, not only
does no one go, but stuff, no, the people riot.
Oh yeah, no, they they they asked out that. Okay,
I think that's fine, I think it's it's appropriate. But no,
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I mean they're you know, this assembled crowd of thousands,
I mean upwards of over thirty thousand, because that is
the number reported that we're killed by Josephus. Yeah, he
says that the riot occurs, and all told, when the
dust settles, thirty thousand people Jewish hand Rooman lost their lives.
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And part of this, this is a little bit maybe
outside of the documented facts here, but part of this
we can assume would be due to Gallus is incredibly
belligerent and bellicose nature and just utter skittishness, because he
called in the troops big time, overcorrected, and then gave
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the order to you know, fire Adam boys sticking with
spears right right, an over response. He sent in Roman
soldiers not just to quell the riot or call them
the people, but to punish and injure them, and that
is what sprouted the seat. Now we we don't have
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any information of what that unknown Roman soldier was doing
as he was on the battlement watching this riot occur.
Did he go down to attack some of these innocent men,
women and children. Did he just stay up there thinking
that he had discovered one of the world's most amazing
and dangerous insults, the Adam bomb of rude physical gestures,
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the Adam bum. There we go. So we don't know
what happened to him, but we do know that this
is the earliest recorded mooning. So if you have ever
been mooned, or if you like, your bullying, probably broke
his mind. He probably drove him mad man, you know, okay, okay, lastly,
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I'll say about that doll. It was a car of us.
Were you doing pheasant underglass? What's what's that? Are you
pressing your bare butts against the window? I mean one
guy definitely was one of the guys in the back.
That's pheasant underglass. I had no idea that is such
a classyness, such a class so I guess, so I
guess so peasant under glass. Well, that's an advanced moon
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that's like the next level mooning. So whether you have
moon someone who been mooned before, we hope that this
episode helps you be aware that you are either the
victim of or the practitioner of an ancient form of derision.
But then I want to talk about more historical mooning.
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So glad you do know off air, we were looking
into some really unusual and fascinating ones. What are you out?
What you got? Ben? I really appreciate you letting me
go first. You know how much how much I love
this topic. We both found and have been really enjoying
a fantastic article on slate dot com the very classy
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name mooning, a history by Forrest wickman Um mentioned briefly earlier,
the whole brave heart sun and moon gesture thing was
actually flipped the other way around. It was the English
taunting the Scottish with their their butts. Um. I think
this article was a good way to start here is
just let's talk about let's get back to the the
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coinage of the term mooning, because you see, Ben, while
this act was ancient, it didn't really get a proper
name until the nineteen sixties, when the Oxford English Dictionary
got an entry for the word that attributed it to
student slang of the sixties, because it became a really
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popular thing to do in university in America specific And
that's that's important because I believe that the description the
use of the word moon as a euphemism for but
or buttocks dates back to the seventeen hundreds or the
eighteenth century. But the reason I think it's interesting that
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it's traced to American or US student slang is because
American English is notorious for the practice of turning every
single word into a verb. You and I have done
it on multiple shows. Yeah, like squatching, Yeah, examsode, Yeah, exactly.
So it's it's nice to know that that linguistic tradition
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precedes us. But I am so fascinated by the fact
that this this act has been described multiple times in literature,
in fiction and nonfiction, and they didn't come up with
a convenient term for it for centuries, for heck, for millennia.
We know that, we know that during the Fourth Crusade
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and twelve oh three, Western Europeans were attempting to take Constantinople,
but they failed and they sailed away and defeat. And
as they were sailing away, the Byzantine forces who did
at them hollered at them and quote showed their bare
buttocks in derision to the fleeing foe. Derision. You say, yeah,
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because this act, you're essentially like sexually harassing someone from afar.
And then I guess, I guess it is somewhat counterintuitive
because in the animal world often when other mammals show
their posterior to a creature, it's an active submission, right,
It's like, hey, come, come get you some of this.
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But yeah, so now it's it's clearly it insult of course,
where would we be if we not mentioned one of
the most well known retellings or depictions of mooning in
the English language, And that is, of course the Miller's
tale from Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales, old saucy chausey and
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there's Baldi. Baldi Canterbury Tales chose the sauce, that's him.
So in the frame story of the Canterbury Tales, a
group of people who are traveling decided to travel together
and to pass the time in their travels, they tell
each other's stories. There these people are described often by
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like their occupations. So there's a partner, for instance, who
carries relics and charges people to get close to these
religious artifacts. And then there is the miller, who is
in a wild plot twist the miller. But we have
a very saucy tale from the miller himself. We're not
going to read the whole thing, but there are some
parts that we think you will find. Choice, Ben, can
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we do the back and forth for one of us
as the old Englishman and the other is the translator?
For sure? Which one do you want to do? Um?
Can I be the translator? I feel like you have
a little more expertise when it comes to this work.
I believe he studied it in school. I did, but
my pronunciation is going to be terrible. God. I wish
Jonathan Strickland, the quister was here and his uh Renaissance
fair regalia he would lean into this hard to tell
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you what he might be here. We never know. Channel, So,
just so we don't have to read the whole thing,
can you give us a little quick and dirty of
how we get to the part that we're about to start? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
So the miller's tale is this story about a carpenter
and his wife and these two students or clerks that
are trying to get her into bed. The carpenter is
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a guy named John and he lives Knox for his
wife is a lot younger than him, and she is
known as a the local hottie. Right. Isn't this like
a cuckolding story kind of, isn't there? Yeah? Yeah? And uh,
what we'll do without going into the without going into
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the entire set up to the story, will read you
the juicy bit wherein a character named Absalon attempts to
pursue this wife romantically, and there's some climbing up a
ladder into a window. Kind of action going on here,
So let us begin lemon thy grace and sweet bird then,
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or sweetheart your favor, and sweet bird your kindness. The
window she untooth, and that in haste she unlatched the window.
Quickly have do quote, she come all, then speed thee fast,
go ahead, she said, come on and do it quickly.
Let's that our neighbors the spy. In case our neighbors
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see us. This Absalon gun wipe his mouth full dry.
This Absalon began to wipe his mouth dry. Dirk was
the nightest pitch or as the cool The night was dark,
you know, like picture coal. And at the window, out
she puts her whole, And out the window she put
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her whole. We're a family show, okay, okay, okay, And
Absalon him feel no better new wars. This park confuses me.
And as for Absalom, it happened no better nor worse.
But with his mouth he kissed her naked rs. So
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body they teached this in school, man, this is We're
still a family show. Um translation. If he couldn't use
your imagination there but with his mouth, but with his
mouth he kissed her naked arts full savory are He
was war of this most enjoyable before he realized what
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he was kissing. Back his start and thought it was
a mess. Back he started and thought something was raw.
Here we go for well he whist a woman hath
no bird? For he well knew women have no beards.
(32:15):
I'm I'm applauding for Chaucer and also for Ben Boland.
And you're fantastic Old English brugue. What do you call
that was good? That wasn't even old English? It whatever? Whatever,
Brown ladies and gentlemen, and you're two kinds. Let's hear
it for super producer Casey Peggy. Yeah, we're making this alive.
Can we also hear it for a regular contributor, Laurel Dove.
(32:41):
She didn't really contribute anything to this episode, but I
just don't want to hear it just like that sound.
It's delight. And while we're thanking everyone, let's give it up,
friends and neighbors, for Alex Williams, who composed our track,
and for our research associate Christopher Hasiotis, who spoiler alert,
may end up on this show and who spoiler alert
(33:02):
and needs a sound effect. Yeah, yeah, Casey, we defer
to you give me later. We'll just you know, put
it on the back burner. We'll work you know what
right to us and let us know what you think
is what do you think when you're here? Has I
think about the infamous club, the hacienda owned by the
guy that you know discovered joy Division and New Order
(33:25):
and all that stuff. I remember, have you seen the
movie twenty four Party people? Oh? Yeah, that's great that
come out? It was like the yeah, yeah oh. And
most importantly, give it up for yourself, Ken, if you
want to pat yourself on the back, give yourself a handshake,
don't be weirded out if people are looking at you.
You are self affirming. Play rock paper scissors with yourself.
(33:46):
See see what happened? Tell us who wins. Please. In
the meantime, we hope that you enjoyed our exploration of
the history of mooning at least of a fraction as
much as we have clearly enjoyed diving into it. I'm
just tipsy with delight, and so our our journey ends
for today. That's the end of our episode, but not
(34:07):
our show. Tune in again very soon for more ridiculous
history and last, but certainly not least, and we promise
not bare but related. We're going on tour. If you
happen to be in Philadelphia, I would like a little
bit of historical what would you call it? A historical
(34:29):
entertainment Shenanigan. Yeah, we bring the pain, the historical pain.
That sounds not not fun, you know what I mean? Yeah,
I bring the fun, the fun pain. It's and we're
gonna bring our butts, yes, which which will remain squarely
covered with Yeah, that is the ridiculous history guarantee of quality.
(34:50):
We will have our pants on the whole time. But yes,
the rumors are true. You can find us on towards
July first in Philadelphia along with our long time pals
and founders of mental Philosophy, Mango and Will. It's true.
They are the host of part Time Genius. Won't you
join us if you happen to be in town. You
can find ticket information at Phillypodfest dot com. Um They
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are on sale right now and it's at four o'clock
on Sunday, July one at the Trocadero Theater. So come
get ridiculous with us in a in a live setting,
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